[00:22] <hmuller> crimsun:  Sorry for the delay, I reinstalled desktop amd64 alpha 4 to get back to the base install
[00:23] <crimsun> ok, so can you run:  pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[00:25] <hmuller> ... installing pulseaudio-utils first
[00:25] <crimsun> you also will need libflashsupport and padevchooser
[00:26] <crimsun> libflashsupport is necessary for non-Free Flash 9
[00:26] <hmuller> paususpender reported that it was playing ... but no sound emitted
[00:26] <hmuller> will inistall the other two you just mentioned and try again
[00:27] <crimsun> ok, then it's not really a PA issue
[00:27] <crimsun> you need ALSA working (audibly) first.
[00:28] <hmuller> ok, same results
[00:29] <hmuller> alright, I'll try to get ALSA working then first
[00:29] <crimsun> hold on
[00:29] <crimsun> don't go trying $random to do that
[00:29] <crimsun> first, download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it
[00:29] <crimsun> then, tell me the URL that script generates
[00:31] <hmuller> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/891922
[00:33] <Xsss4hell> does Hardy have TABBED NAUTILUS??
[00:34] <Xsss4hell> ?
[00:34] <hmuller> Xsss4hell - it doesn't look tabbed to me
[00:34] <Xsss4hell> :( cry
[00:35] <crdlb> nope, but but you can have tabs with compiz :D
[00:35] <Xsss4hell> REALLY?
[00:35] <Xsss4hell> WOW
[00:35] <Xsss4hell> Opera has tabs, IE7 has tabs, Firefox has tabs. I love tabs. but why does the explorer whoops I mean Nautilus ;) miss the tabs??
[00:36]  * crdlb can't imagine how tabs in a file manager would be useful
[00:36] <Xsss4hell> crdlb how the heck can I have tabs with compiz?
[00:36]  * crdlb also uses spatial mode so what does he know ...
[00:36] <crdlb> the "Group and tab windows" plugin
[00:37] <Xsss4hell> I am working with my pc, that means, I am coding developing et cetera. So I have about 4-10Nautilus's open.. that sux Would like to have it in one browser. with sessions support like opera
[00:37] <Xsss4hell> crdlb  dude, that not really tabbing for me it's merely a kind of "effect"
[00:37]  * crdlb uses gnome-terminal + screen for such tasks
[00:38] <ere4si> pcmanfm has tabbed file management
[00:38] <crdlb> it allows you to group windows and click between them
[00:38] <Xsss4hell> I know screen...but don't know how to use it.
[00:38] <crdlb> that's as close as a window manager can get to tabbing
[00:38] <crimsun> hmuller: sec, I have pretty high latency ATM
[00:39] <hmuller> crimsun: no rush
[00:39] <Xsss4hell> pcmanfm is nearly great.. the very bad side is, that it can not be set as the main filebrowser and it is by far not as good as Nautilus, except tabbing
[00:40] <crimsun> hmuller: what's the output from:  grep -nHr "options snd-hda-intel" /etc/modprobe.d*
[00:40] <Xsss4hell> Do you want to know howto enable superior tabbing and session restore and skinning to vista's or xp's explorer?
[00:40] <Xsss4hell> QT!^
[00:41] <Xsss4hell> http://qttabbar-ja.wikidot.com/
[00:41] <Xsss4hell> english -> http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/
[00:42] <hmuller> crimsun:  that may be part of the problem, it returned nothing
[00:42] <Xsss4hell> I would love to have this greatness in linux
[00:43] <innertruth> what is most intensive 3D graphics app for linux?
[00:43] <Xsss4hell> blender or maya?
[00:44] <Xsss4hell> try rendering something complex ;)
[00:44] <innertruth> true
[00:44] <innertruth> well i actually thinking about game or benchmark
[00:45] <Xsss4hell> nothing I know that can use the power of your entire system more dramatically than maya
[00:45] <Xsss4hell> Ok maybe benchmarks
[00:45] <Xsss4hell> try searching in synaptic for benchmark?
[00:45] <crimsun> hmuller: no, that's not part of the problem.  It's a good thing. :)
[00:46] <Xsss4hell> isn't hardy getting tabs into nautilus? I got told that it will get something similar.. I hope not that old gay retro dual pane view...
[00:46] <crimsun> hmuller: you need alsa-driver 1.0.16rc2  (and /only/ alsa-driver, not alsa-{libs,utils,tools,..})
[00:47] <crimsun> hmuller: if you wait about 12 hours, I'll have uploaded a newer alsa-driver into hardy.
[00:48] <Xsss4hell> vista's explorer looks nice, but it's missing user friendlyness, some people like that sidebar on the right side, but no way in windows and linux
[00:48] <innertruth> Xsss4hell: never heard of tabbed nautilus, where you read it?
[00:48] <hmuller> crimsun: ok, I'm going to give it a shot, if I can't get it done I'll pull the update when it hits
[00:48] <Xsss4hell> and they all miss TABS
[00:48] <Xsss4hell> innertruth  I've seen somebody's sourcecode in koders.org but don't remember
[00:49] <hmuller> crimsun: I remember I had to use 1.0.16 to get the mics working in Gutsy, but 1.0.15 worked for basic sound
[00:49] <Xsss4hell> he/she implemented tabs.. but I think it was a quick & dirty patch
[00:51] <Xsss4hell> but Like I told you before the most amazing tool that makes your windows I know this is a ubuntu chanell, is: http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/ I just want that somebody likes the idea if they didn't think of it by their own and copies it to hardy
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> What a Perfect Filebrowser should be able to do:
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - a breadcrumbs bar (check)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - bookmarks (partially/ only on left pane)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - more plugins (partially)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - more viewmodes ie. apple's viewmode (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - customizable/scriptable ie. last/most used or mindmap or 3d mode (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - tabs (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - aligning the sidebar anywhere just as opera does (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - grouping tabs (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - resume/save session (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> taling about nautilus
[00:58] <Xsss4hell> I hope somebody reads and implements parts of this ideas.
[00:58] <Xsss4hell> good night/good fight
[01:01] <innertruth> i vote for more view modes
[01:02] <hmuller> crimsun:  I'm going to reboot into hardy, and retest
[01:02] <innertruth> like a simple list mode in xfce manager
[01:07] <hmuller> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/891951  ---- it shows alsa driver 1.0.16rc2
[01:07] <innertruth> that problem with window title graphics corruption from 7.10 still not fixed in hardy, probably compiz issue
[01:07] <innertruth> like dissapearing close buttons
[01:21] <hmuller> crimsun:  modified gnome-volume-control settings, unmuted surround and now both ALSA and pulseaudio work as expected
[02:13] <cwillu_> I'm wanting dpkg to always run ionice -c3'd
[02:14] <cwillu_> can I put a dpkg script in /usr/local/bin to do that and expect it to override /usr/bin/dpkg?  or is that path hardcoded?
[02:46] <hmuller> crimsun: just reinstalled and retested.  alsa-driver 1.0.16rc2 is a requirement, and also to unmute surround
[02:47] <hmuller> I wanted to see if I only needed to unmute surround in the base install, but nope, 1.0.16rc2 is a must also
[02:52] <hmuller> Getting this message when inserting flashdrives --> "Cannot mount volume" "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume."
[02:52] <hmuller> is this a known problem?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> ive not noticed it.. Not tried however. :) i will when i get back on  my testing machine
[02:54] <hmuller> They can be mounted manually through the terminal, I was just wondering if there was something 'special' we needed to do now under Hardy, i.e. set access rights etc.l
[02:54] <hmuller> In Gutsy, they just automount
[02:56] <theaxeman> I just installed Ubuntu on my third system in the last week. Everything's going great. But, I got to the login screen on this lastest install, and I must've typed in something wrong with my username/password during the setup and can't get in.
[02:56] <theaxeman> Is there a way to get in without doing a re-install?
[02:56] <avsa242> Can anyone (assuming they have the time...may be a bit consuming) confirm with Hardy, a fresh install of mythbackend-master an inability to connect to the mysql server (mine is bound to my lan ip, denies connections from it as well as localhost)?
[03:43] <DanaG> 2.6.24 scheduler is teh suck, in my opinion.
[03:45] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, and specific reason why?
[03:45] <DanaG> It doesn't handle 'nice' loads 'nicely'.
[03:46] <DanaG> If I run something CPU-intensive 'niced' in the background AND set to sched_idleprio, it bogs down the rest of the system.
[03:46] <UnNaturalHigh> hmmm....haven't noticed that on my end
[03:47] <UnNaturalHigh> I just converted a avi file with ffmpeg to an mpeg while it was niced and my system remained rather responsive
[03:47] <DanaG> bug 177713.
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[03:47] <DanaG> And check out the linked bugs, too.
[03:48] <DanaG> I'm running one instance of folding@home on each CPU core, at nice +19 and SCHED_IDLEPRIO.
[04:17] <lufis> Xorg issues. It's not remembering my session or resolution after restarting it
[04:19] <ethana3> ....it's been acting like it ignores mine
[04:19] <lufis> sigh
[04:19] <ethana3> sorry, i dropped offline for a sec there.. is it a radeon card?
[04:19] <lufis> intel onboard
[04:19] <ethana3> oh
[04:19] <lufis> i810
[04:19] <ethana3> i have one of those two
[04:20] <ethana3> i815 i think
[04:20] <ethana3> hold on..  lspci | grep intel
[04:21] <ethana3>  82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE
[04:21] <lufis> same as me :)
[04:21] <ethana3> that is?
[04:21] <lufis> same...
[04:21] <ethana3> i'm using my radeon card right now
[04:21] <lufis> oh
[04:21] <ethana3> if you hang out here alot
[04:21] <ethana3> then you'll probably know i want to use both
[04:21] <ethana3> for dual seat..  if that matters
[04:22] <lufis> i have a radeon around here somwhere
[04:51] <DanaG> Wow, compiz-fusion is momentarily freezing every time I unminimize something.
[04:56] <DanaG> Ugh, /me hates CFS.
[04:57] <DanaG> Woah.
[05:01] <RB2> xhaman, you may want to ask again now that the netsplit's over
[05:02] <xhaman> ok jeje thanks
[05:02] <xhaman> hey somebody can help me ?? i need to configure the  "server layout" in  xorg.conf but i cant find it (the xerver layout in xorg.conf) im in ubuntu 8.04 alpha 4
[05:12] <DanaG> Waah, I want my Legacy subpixel hinting back!
[05:12] <DanaG> I can no longer set fontconfig to use the legacy LCD filter.
[05:13] <DanaG> The new method hurts my eyes sometimes.
[05:52] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, I just used my other laptop, which has compiz-fusion on it and I noticed that minimize bug
[05:52] <UnNaturalHigh> well not sure if it is a bug
[05:52] <DanaG> Packaged version, or custom-compiled?
[05:52] <DanaG> And do you run a distributed computing client?
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> packaged
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> no distributed computing client
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> let me guess you are the opposite of that my situation, lol
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> *of my
[05:54] <DanaG> Yeah.'
[05:54] <DanaG> But that means neither of those is a factor.
[05:54] <DanaG> (I use the Lamp animation on minimize.)
[05:57] <shirish> guys nautilus doesn't respond, I have to kill/close it everytime.
[07:28] <master_obredar> hello all
[07:30] <master_obredar> anyone here
[07:50]  * snadge bows to the almighty ubuntu overlords
[08:04] <Roe1> @anyone: any idea on gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting??
[08:04] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[08:18] <mrtimdog> Hi. Is there a similar thing to bootchart for gnome session startups?
[08:26] <Roel|work> you can use bootchart for the same purpose
[08:26] <Roel|work> mrtimdog: http://blogs.gnome.org/gpoo/2005/08/12/a-graph-of-gnome-session/
[08:28] <mrtimdog> Ah, ha, perfect! Thanks Roel|work, I'll give it a go.
[08:29] <Roel|work> ur welcome
[08:29] <Roel|work> let us know the results!
[08:30] <mrtimdog> I'll see what I can do :)
[08:38] <mrtimdog> Ok, not quite as simple as the artictle. Just trying to work out if I can do it.
[09:38] <mrtimdog> Anyone got the current bootchart package to run with/for gnome session startups?
[12:20] <zorglu_> !info dpkg
[12:20] <ubotu> dpkg (source: dpkg): package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.14.15ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2235 kB, installed size 7032 kB
[12:29] <coz_> hey guys, just did hardy updates  and emerald is broken...just thought I would let you know
[12:37] <geser> coz_: in what way broken?
[12:37] <coz_> geser, it just doesnt start up at all
[12:38] <geser> have you tried to start it from a terminal? any output?
[12:38] <coz_> hold on
[12:38] <geser> "emerald --replace" in a gnome-terminal or xterm
[12:39] <coz_> geser, right... no errors or read outs at all
[12:40] <geser> which version of emerald, there were two uploads of emerald in the last few days
[12:40] <coz_> geser,   0.5.2
[12:41] <coz_> geser, I have been doing dist-upgrade  daily  .. to day were compiz and  compiz fusion plugins  updates  and then no emerald
[12:42] <geser> emerald 0.5.2+git20080205-0ubuntu2 was uploaded half an hour ago, perhaps this one works better
[12:42] <coz_> let me try an upgrade  hold on
[12:43] <coz_> geser, no nothing available
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. when shouldone do a dist-upgrade, vs a normal apt-get update/upgrade?
[12:43] <geser> coz_: it needs some time to get build, published and copied to the mirrors
[12:43] <coz_> Dr_Willis, generally  I do at least for something like these alphas. sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Id just never seen a general rule on when one should be done.
[12:44] <coz_> geser, ok no biggie:)  I can wait..just wanted to let you guys know
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Normally if i see a lot of packages held back. I try a dist-upgrade
[12:44] <coz_> Dr_Willis, no rule  actually
[12:44] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  but when dealing with  alpha releases  there are going to be updates regularly
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Just now the 2 different ways got 37 updates.  so they seemed to be the same for now.
[12:45] <coz_> Dr_Willis, are you also using compiz fusion there?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> yep. And it seems to crash quite a bit on me.
[12:46] <coz_> Dr_Willis, mm  darn     see if emerald works now after the updates
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> i dont even thinki got emerald installed.. lets see
[12:48] <geser> the difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" is that the first doesn't install new packages or remove conflicting ones
[13:02] <zorglu_> q. on hardy, kubuntu version, is it possible to disable the eye-candy fadeaway on the logout splash ?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> zorglu_,  ive seen where that can be done.. but i dont rember where.
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> I find the fadeing effects annoying at times in  places on the ubuntu/kubuntu also.
[13:04] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: this is mandatory for like 3 releases now :) time to put a option somwhere :)
[13:05] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: well on virtualbox this freeze the input/output, and on one of my laptop it make the screen flash... so annoying is the word :)
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Yep. Eyecandy addiction
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> like the little icon 'flash/expansion' ive seen under kde.. its often so fast you dont notice it.. untill you get on a sloooow machine
[13:20] <zorglu_> q. in hardy install cd, my install is stuck on 'scanning the mirror'... what does this mean ? is there a way to get log or more information on where it fails ?
[13:45] <_Enchained> Hi
[13:46] <_Enchained> I have a problem printing with hardy
[13:51] <coz_> geser,  the emerald updates just came through and all is well :)
[13:51] <geser> good to hear
[14:22] <slytherin> Does anyone know if the latest broadcom driver - b43 - still needs firmware?
[15:26] <oxigen> hi i just try to install on alpha 4 nvidia driver, but all i have in xorg.conf is this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54854/
[15:27] <oxigen> hmm, is this normal?
[15:28] <oxigen> no info about anything!?
[15:29] <mndo> here's my http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54856/
[15:30] <oxigen> mndo, yea, that looks like a normal conf file
[15:30] <mndo> my was trashed to after installing the driver.. this is a backup from gutsy.. :)
[15:31] <mndo> s/to/too/
[15:31] <oxigen> hmm!
[15:31] <oxigen> it looks you have the same card!
[15:32] <oxigen> but that's good idea maybe i should try to use my old conf
[15:32] <mndo> :)
[15:32] <oxigen> but this is a ugly bug, isn't it!?
[15:33] <mndo> in deed, i need to check if there is a bug report, or else file one..
[15:33] <mndo> but i haven't the time to do it..
[15:34] <slytherin> oxigen: I don't think it is a bug, xorg in hardy is supposed to work config less. What you are seeing here is minimal config. In my opinion even this should not be there.
[15:34] <oxigen> mndo: do you use 64bit?
[15:35] <mndo> yep
[15:36] <oxigen> slytherin: oh, didn't know that! how can i install nvidia driver then? autorecognition doesn't work...
[15:36] <slytherin> oxigen: do you need binary driver?
[15:36] <mndo> withoutthe conf file all i get is a black screen and a cursor..
[15:36] <oxigen> some that will work! :)
[15:37] <oxigen> i need gl support, i use blender
[15:37] <slytherin> mndo: File a bug then. As I said, it is supposed to work.
[15:38] <oxigen> slytherin: but where is now configuration for all this?
[15:38] <slytherin> oxigen: if you install binary driver and config less xorg does not work for you then you can do - sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg - to generate xorg.conf
[15:39] <oxigen> slytherin: thanks, i'll try!
[15:40] <kalpik> oxigen, then you can do "sudo nvidia-xconfig" if X does not use the Nvidia driver :)
[15:40] <nanonyme> slytherin, sorry, what's -phigh?
[15:41] <slytherin> nanonyme: it asks you only questions with high priority. In other words it tries to gues most of the things.
[15:42] <oxigen> slytherin: hmm, i get the same content in xorg.conf after that command!?
[15:42] <nanonyme> ah, right
[15:43] <slytherin> oxigen: looks to be an issue then. better search any existing bugs and file one if there isn't already
[15:43] <dash> anybody using vmware-server on hardy?
[15:43] <oxigen> slytherin: ok, 10x
[15:43] <dash> seems like something broke in the past few days, I had to roll back to gcc-4.1
[15:44] <AaronMT> Anyone know if this bug is fixed in the latest hardy version? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121653
[15:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[15:51] <kalpik> oxigen, did you try doing sudo nvidia-xconfig?
[15:54] <oxigen> kalpik: no, not yet..
[15:54] <kalpik> oxigen, that should add the nvidia driver line
[15:54]  * oxigen searching for some similar bug...
[15:55] <oxigen> kalpik: oh, indeed!
[15:56] <kalpik> oxigen, is it solved now? :)
[15:56] <oxigen> kalpik: thank you! i'll reboot x now..
[16:03] <oxigen> kalkalpik: no luck, now i have super low res (640x480)
[16:03] <oxigen> or something
[16:11] <mndo> btw, is anybody running kde4 on hardy?
[16:11] <bardyr> hey
[16:12] <booobs> hi! I made a fresh and clean install of Hardy_4. Everything went fine. I installed the "restricted ati driver modules" and rebootet. Now the X-Server didn't work anymore. Blackscreen! A look in the xorg.conf shows, that it's nearly empty! Is this a bug??? Really stupid.. -.-
[16:13] <booobs> Anyone heared of this problem?
[16:14] <mndo> just been talking about it :)
[16:14] <mndo> happens the same with nvidia..
[16:16] <Pici> Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:17] <hit> strange, play/pause and stop keys are not working anymore on keyboard, all other media and launch keys are fine
[16:18] <booobs> Yea it seems that the restriction driver modules "installer" destroyed the xorg.conf
[16:19] <booobs> mh
[16:19] <Pici> The new xorg version does not need for xorg.conf to be populated with data.
[16:19] <oxigen> doh, always the same problems, nvidia and java :/
[16:19] <booobs> ah okay
[16:24] <booobs> yea found the bug http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=686394
[16:26] <oxigen> i think im too old for fixing this things again, i will wait for the final release, hopefully you will fix it till then.. :)
[16:28] <thorns> Installing nvidia-glx-new went perfectly ok for me.
[16:28] <oxigen> lucky you
[16:28] <thorns> And I only use the command line tools
[16:29] <booobs> i'll install 7.10 :D
[16:29] <booobs> cya
[16:29] <thorns> :))
[16:29]  * oxigen rebooting to his old but working 6.06..
[16:29] <thorns> eek
[16:46] <zyg2> hello, is hardy in code freeze now?
[16:46] <bardyr> i dont think so
[16:47] <bardyr> zyg2, there isnt a code freeze
[16:47] <zyg2> so the packages are regularly updated?
[16:49] <scizzo-> zyg2: afaik yes
[16:52] <afflux> depends on what you mean by code freeze
[16:54] <afflux> FeatureFreeze will be on Feb 14th, which means, only bugfixing uploads from then on
[16:58] <MrStein> Is it a known issue, that there is no login sound on the desktop CD live ? (alpha4)
[16:58] <MrStein> otherwise I'll report it ;-)
[17:01] <MrStein> too late ;-)
[17:01] <MrStein> bye
[17:02] <MrStein> it is bug 189297 , for reference
[17:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189297 in ubuntu "no login sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189297
[18:50] <pvandewyngaerde> are there qt4.4 packages for ubuntu ?
[18:51] <zyg2> ever since installing hardy alpha 4 I've yet to see any package updates, that is unusual from what I remember with edgy/feisty/gutsy alpha releases - is this an expected behaviour?
[19:09] <mndo> !kde4
[19:09] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:11] <pvandewyngaerde> are there qt4.4 packages for ubuntu ?
[20:16] <Assid> heya
[20:17] <Assid> so has postgresql 8.3 made it to the hardy tree?
[20:17] <Pici> !info postgresql8.3
[20:18] <ubotu> Package postgresql8.3 does not exist in hardy
[20:18] <Pici> lies.
[20:18] <Pici> Assid: I see postgresql 8.3~rc2-1
[20:19] <Assid> err someone gotta update that
[20:19] <ethana2> This is a very general thing, but my performance isn't that great..
[20:19] <Assid> 8.3 is stable now
[20:19] <ethana2> and i don't see why..  Is it just the bloat of FF2?  ..but pidgin's like this too
[20:20] <ethana2> whatever it is, it'll be fixed by the official release, right?
[20:35] <Konstigt> Anyone with a clue on my Xorg crashes in bug 188869 on Launchpad?
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188869 in xorg "[hardy] Xorg crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188869
[20:37] <flipstar> did you read the latest entry ?
[20:37] <flipstar> maybe there is a coherence
[20:37] <Konstigt> flipstar: yes, I wrote it :)
[20:38] <flipstar> oh..my bad
[20:39] <flipstar> you reinstalled the graphic drivers probably ?
[20:40] <Konstigt> yes via driver setup but not manually
[20:41] <flipstar> whats the message when you run X in tty1 ?
[20:42] <Konstigt> have only tried stopping/starting via /etc/init.d/gdm stop/start
[20:43] <Konstigt> so there I don't see anything, I only see the logfile which shows the crash & backtrace
[20:43] <flipstar> hm is gdm crashing or the x server ?
[20:44] <flipstar> if X crashes after login i would first try to see what happens if i try to run X manually ..
[20:47] <Konstigt> gdm starts the xserver which then crashes (when I have certain additions in my xorg.conf)
[20:47] <Konstigt> so I dont think X crashes after login, X doesn't even start
[20:48] <flipstar> right then try to see what happens when you run X in tty1 or so ;)
[20:48] <flipstar> got to go
[21:41] <Bethesda> I got directed here to solve a nautilus problem on 8.04?
[21:41] <ethana2> network locations?
[21:41] <Bethesda> Yes that's right :)
[21:41] <ethana2> anything that deals with gvfs is probably just broken
[21:41] <ethana2> basically, just wait for updates
[21:42] <ethana2> it'll fix itself
[21:42] <Bethesda> Ok, thanks for your time =)
[21:42] <ethana2> no problem
[21:42] <ethana2> oh hey, bethesda:
[21:43] <ethana2> well wait, nevermind.. i guess i just want someone to talk to, lol
[21:43] <Bethesda> lol
[21:43] <ethana2> very lonely and bored right now
[21:43] <Bethesda> So what are you upto then ?
[21:43] <Assid> anyone here used amsn and done video conference?
[21:43] <ethana2> basically just hanging out on irc channels..
[21:43] <ethana2> yes
[21:44] <ethana2> very laggy
[21:44] <ethana2> but not the newest version i don't think
[21:44] <ethana2> i could try it
[21:44] <Bethesda> I just discovered IRC today ( don't hit me xD ) I think it's very cool!
[21:44] <ethana2> and it could just be the network connection
[21:44] <Bethesda> I use Amsn Assid.
[21:44] <ethana2> bethesda: irc was very mysterious to me for a while
[21:44] <Assid> you ever tried to do a webcam ?
[21:45] <ethana2> i still don't have a clue how to use usenet
[21:45] <Assid> either send or receive
[21:45] <Bethesda> Assid, no : /
[21:45] <ethana2> i usually only use it for webcam actually
[21:45] <ethana2> i prefer pidgin for everything else
[21:46] <Bethesda> Same here to be very honest.
[21:46] <Assid> ethana2: amsn?
[21:46] <ethana2> yes
[21:46] <Assid> i dont like pidgin so much
[21:46] <Assid> too damn ridgid
[21:46] <Assid> i wanna remove groups.. and it doesnt do it
[21:46] <ethana2> rigid?
[21:46] <ethana2> ohh.. which version?
[21:46] <hit> amsn sucks, u should try emesene
[21:46] <Assid> emesene ?
[21:47] <Bethesda> Well, I'm not sure what my problem is with Pidgin, but damn those file transfer times are WAY up.
[21:47] <ethana2> network....
[21:47] <Bethesda> : /
[21:47] <ethana2> MSN for example.. all that traffic goes /through/ microsoft
[21:47] <hit> tho emesene's file transfer isn't fully finished yet
[21:47] <Assid> ethana2: i wanna remove groups..
[21:47] <ethana2> me too.
[21:47] <ethana2> just set it not to show empty ones, and ignore them
[21:47] <Assid> i dont see emesene
[21:48] <ethana2> i just removed a group
[21:48] <hit> emesene.org
[21:48] <ethana2> it complained at me, but the group is gone
[21:48] <Assid> i dont wanna delete the group
[21:49] <Assid> i just dont want grouping
[21:49] <ethana2> ohhhhh
[21:49] <Assid> ethana2: which messenger
[21:49] <Bethesda> Complained at you? Is it a Windows product? :P
[21:49] <ethana2> i'm in pidgin
[21:49] <Assid> see thats what im talkin abt
[21:49] <ethana2> no, various protocols use the 'buddy' group
[21:49] <ethana2> if you only have one group, it's probably a non-issue
[21:49] <Assid> pidgin should let me get rid of the grouping. and also let me access the metadata
[21:49] <ethana2> but i find them extremely handy
[21:49] <ethana2> ..info?
[21:50] <Bethesda> Any of you good with drivers by the way?
[21:50] <ethana2> not really
[21:50] <Bethesda> Oi, you can try, lol :P
[21:50] <ethana2> if you have to worry about them, there's a problem
[21:51] <ethana2> i basically stopped using windows half a year ago now
[21:51] <Assid> i wanna move away from it now
[21:51] <Assid> i really want to
[21:51] <Bethesda> I stopped using it 2 months ago...
[21:51] <ethana2> google has basically said that if nvidia will open specs, they'll write drivers
[21:51] <Assid> but theres always something stopping me
[21:51] <ethana2> so now we wait ;)  The X-Fi also got recent initial OSS support
[21:51] <ethana2> what is stopping you now?
[21:51] <Bethesda> Assid, like what for example?
[21:52] <Assid> gaming.. stuff like photoshop/corel etc
[21:52] <ethana2> CS2?
[21:52] <Assid> some other dev. stuff
[21:52] <Assid> 3
[21:52] <ethana2> or CS3?
[21:52] <ethana2> dang
[21:52] <Bethesda> Gaming under Wine is ok... if you read the Howto's :)
[21:52] <ethana2> WINE can only run CS2
[21:52] <Assid> yeah i knw
[21:52] <Bethesda> I mean, I can even play Oblivion on High mode lol
[21:52] <Assid> and now my designer gets me files on corel14
[21:52] <ethana2> unmodified.. you can almost always import some dll or five
[21:53] <Assid> which isnt really gonna work at all for me
[21:53] <Assid> Bethesda: you use compiz?
[21:53] <Bethesda> I do yes, used Compiz Gnome but now Fusion
[21:53] <maccam-desktop> someone mentioned X-Fi drivers? yeah they're 64-bit only :-(
[21:53] <Bethesda> Since my PC got upgraded, lol.
[21:53] <Assid> Bethesda: compiz +gaming ? or you disable compiz
[21:54] <ethana2> the old drivers for the X-Fi can go die
[21:54] <ethana2> I'm talking open source ones
[21:54] <Bethesda> No? I just leave it on, nothing's wrong for me
[21:54] <maccam-desktop> really?
[21:54] <ethana2> yes.
[21:54] <rsk> maccam-desktop: x-fi have drivers in OSS now
[21:54] <Bethesda> WoW, Morrowin, Oblivion , you name it mate.
[21:54] <rsk> not alsa thou
[21:54] <ethana2> and only very primitive as of yet
[21:54] <Assid> sweet
[21:55] <Assid> you using wine ? or cedega?
[21:55] <ethana2> Halo only needs one .dll, WMP needs two
[21:55] <Bethesda> At the moment just Wine.
[21:55] <Bethesda> True Ethana2
[21:55] <ethana2> Unless cedega can ship on ubuntu disks, it's worthless to me
[21:55] <Bethesda> The thing is with Wine, like the forum says: DO NOT expect it to work.
[21:56] <Bethesda> And if it does...<3
[21:56] <ethana2> i wouldn't assume.. just check AppDB
[21:56] <Bethesda>  /nod
[21:56] <Bethesda> The Ubuntu forms share a great deal of Information aswell.
[21:57] <Bethesda> About how to edit .ini files and so on.
[21:57] <Assid> sweet
[21:57] <Assid> im highly considering mving my desktop to windows + linux.. windows for gaming.. and other graphical shit i cant do
[21:57] <Assid> also wil have vmware incase i dotn wanna dualboot
[21:58] <Assid> err reboot
[21:58] <jussi01> !ohmy
[21:58] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:58] <Assid> jussi01: ?
[21:58] <Bethesda> Assid, you could always make an image of your Windows current state and try it.
[21:59] <jussi01> Assid: you used a swear word, try to keep it clean :)
[21:59] <Assid> i did ?
[22:00] <ethana2> jussi01: there are three primary tiers of widespread expletives; should we stick to tier two or tier one?
[22:00] <Assid> current state of windows is all messed u
[22:00] <Bethesda> Messed up?
[22:00] <Bethesda> As in, DLL problems.
[22:00] <Bethesda> ?
[22:00] <Assid> nah
[22:00] <Assid> i got too much junk in there
[22:00] <jussi01> !guidelines | ethana2
[22:00] <ubotu> ethana2: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:00] <Assid> i really should clean it up
[22:01] <Assid> anyone here the package manager?
[22:01] <Bethesda> I'm sorry, what do you mean?
[22:01] <Assid> well.. pgadmin is out of date.. and so is postgresql 8.3 package
[22:01] <Assid> they both have newer releases out there
[22:02] <Bethesda> You tried: sudo apt-get update
[22:02] <Bethesda> ?
[22:02] <Assid> yeah i have the packagemanager checking everyday
[22:02] <Assid> we are in +1 :P
[22:02] <Bethesda> Hmm, ok.
[22:02] <Bethesda> True :P
[22:02] <Bethesda> Hey, you can never be to sure lol.
[22:03] <Assid> true at that.. but pgadmin release mentioned is prtty old
[22:03] <Assid> like over a month
[22:03] <Assid> atleast i think
[22:03] <Assid> if anyone here is in the package management PLEASE check kthis
[22:04] <Bethesda> I will do this now.
[22:04] <Assid> sweet thanks
[22:05] <Assid> thinking of whether or not im gonna put up a mirror during the release phase
[22:05] <Assid> i put up 2 or 3 mirrors for gutsy release (before it hit public)
[22:05] <Assid> man 300gb b00m!
[22:05] <Bethesda> lol, yeah. And it's outdated indeed...
[22:05] <Assid> i had guys who were leachiing at 7M/sec
[22:06] <Assid> Bethesda: if you can report/or whatever..would be nice
[22:06] <Bethesda> What info would you like?
[22:06] <Assid> me ?nothing..
[22:06] <Assid> just want someone to update these :P
[22:07] <ethana2> oh hey, is firefox 3 in the hardy repos?
[22:07] <Bethesda> Ah, nevermind , I get it.
[22:07] <Bethesda> =P
[22:07] <Bethesda> Lemme get my VMware on ethana
[22:07] <Bethesda> It wasn't on A4 at least : /
[22:07] <Assid> i dont see it
[22:08] <Bethesda> Neither do I...
[22:08] <Assid> whats firefox-gnome-support?
[22:09] <Bethesda> Oh boy
[22:09] <Bethesda> I can see it! 3.0!11111111
[22:09] <Assid> where?
[22:09] <Bethesda> ( Dev Version ) though.
[22:09] <phin> assid, ive always just installed it, but i beleive its for mostly the save/open dialogs
[22:10] <phin> This is an extension to Firefox that allows it to use protocol handlers from Gnome-VFS, such as smb or sftp, and other Gnome integration features.
[22:10] <phin> there ya go
[22:10] <phin> yay for google :P
[22:10] <Assid> yeah
[22:10] <Assid> read that
[22:10] <Assid> err apt-cache show :P
[22:10] <phin> that too :)
[22:11] <Bethesda> So what do you guys get when you run sudo hdparm -tT /dev/nameofharddisk
[22:11] <phin> to slow
[22:11]  * phin damns his 4200 laptop drive
[22:11] <phin> :P
[22:11] <ethana2> that's sneaky ^_^..
[22:12] <Bethesda> lol Phin !
[22:12] <ethana2> "What do you get when you type 'sudo rm -r /'?"
[22:12] <phin> no
[22:12] <Bethesda>  Timing cached reads:   2388 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1194.13 MB/sec ///  Timing buffered disk reads:  250 MB in  3.02 seconds =  82.82 MB/sec
[22:12] <Bethesda> Meh, I'm disappointed :P
[22:13] <phin>  Timing cached reads:   606 MB in  2.00 seconds = 302.96 MB/sec
[22:13] <phin>  Timing buffered disk reads:   84 MB in  3.05 seconds =  27.50 MB/sec
[22:13] <phin> heh
[22:13] <Bethesda> ^_^
[22:13] <phin> im satisfied
[22:14] <phin> its a dell laptop i bought for 300
[22:14] <ethana2> using SATA?
[22:14] <Assid> 369.91 and 23.93
[22:14] <phin> my load times are actually pretty good
[22:14] <phin> i just need more mem
[22:14] <phin> im at 512
[22:14] <phin> i can slap a 1gig stick in this
[22:15] <phin> that should kill my swap issues
[22:15] <Bethesda> 2GB here, but 1GB worked very OK for me too.
[22:15] <Bethesda> Just that with VMware, 1GB was so-so for me.
[22:15] <phin> i could always lighten my setup more
[22:15] <phin> go with flux or whatever
[22:15] <Bethesda>  /nod
[22:15] <phin> but i enjoy the gnome desktop
[22:15] <phin> gvfs and etc are all very convienant things
[22:16] <Bethesda> Gotta agree with you.
[22:16] <Bethesda> The cool thing is my friends are mosly like: "LOL do you use Linux?!!"
[22:16] <phin> heh
[22:17] <phin> most like my setup
[22:17] <Bethesda> Then I show them how it works..."So where did I download this again?"
[22:17] <phin> and a few friends now run ubuntu on a 2nd pc
[22:17] <phin> mostly for file servers
[22:17] <Assid> Timing cached reads:   820 MB in  2.00 seconds = 409.54 MB/sec
[22:17] <Assid>  Timing buffered disk reads:   72 MB in  3.01 seconds =  23.96 MB/sec
[22:17] <phin> but still dick with the desktop
[22:17] <Assid> Bethesda: EXACT same issue here
[22:17] <Assid> they see my laptop.. then they go.. okay can you burn me a disk
[22:18] <Bethesda> haha yeah!
[22:18] <phin> my current desktop is beryl and just avant-window-navigator
[22:18] <Bethesda> Well it's good isn't it ;-)
[22:18] <phin> they all get a kick out of it
[22:18] <phin> and stalonetray
[22:18] <Assid> specially when i tel them im using alpha software.. they go .. oh i wil wait for the release.. i go .. hrmm gutsy is 6 months old.. all these "effects" you like so much is there too
[22:19] <phin> heh
[22:19] <Bethesda> Did any of you guys ever noticed you have to press "Start" before you can press "Shutdown" on Windows? Lol, that's a blast xD
[22:19] <Assid> well
[22:19] <Assid> tats not too bad
[22:19] <phin> thats neither here nor there
[22:19] <Assid> you have to start to shutdown dont you
[22:19] <phin> lol
[22:19] <phin> heh
[22:19] <Assid> you cant shutdown whats not on
[22:19] <Bethesda> =P well
[22:19] <phin> i still have a windows pc
[22:19] <phin> which is way better
[22:19] <phin> but thats for a few games and photoshop
[22:20] <Bethesda> I remember that time when I had AC Power switch on the wrong mode when I installed a new computer, new parts
[22:20] <Bethesda> ZAP ZAP, it shutdown without starting :P
[22:20] <phin> heh
[22:20] <Assid> doesnt stay that way too long
[22:20] <phin> never had that happen
[22:20] <Bethesda> Lucky you ;)
[22:20] <Assid> yeah
[22:21] <Assid> i went from a quad core
[22:21] <Bethesda> Hey guys, I got to go, college tomorrow ! Cya all soon!
[22:21] <Assid> to a start up time of around 1.5 mins
[22:21] <Assid> lol
[22:21] <Assid> and oh yeah.. i bought anew monitor
[22:21] <Assid> it took me 1 hr to get it to work
[22:22] <Assid> why ? cause my previous one was a CRT .and was set for 85hz.. which an lcd doesnt do
[22:22] <Assid> so i had to go to safe mode.. set it to some crappy resolution in color depth.. then hell broke lose..it refused to do anythng.. not even the official drivers helped
[22:22] <Assid> 1 hr later after alot of uninsallng and reinstalling i had it
[22:23] <Assid> after that for kicks ibooted hardy from an external usb drive i had..was in in like a few seconds
[22:24] <phin> ya the new xorg stuff is great
[22:24] <phin> thats the main reason i jumped to it with this laptop
[22:24] <Assid> had to search online for someone with the same monitor to get PERFECT settings but thattook like a mnute or 2
[22:24] <phin> i run dual monitors when im sitting at my desk with it
[22:24] <Assid> err.. xorg messed up 1 thing tho
[22:24] <Assid> my screen left around 1/2 inch on the left side
[22:24] <Assid> like the horizonal positioning was off
[22:25] <Assid> but it wasnt.. it just left that much out
[22:25] <Assid> so after i found that other monitor definition.. CTRL ALT BKSPACE.. was up properly
[22:27] <Assid> i hope my tv tuner card works perfectly tho
[22:27] <Assid> im gonna have hell if it doesnt
[22:27] <Assid> anwyays.. im outta here.. almost 4 am here
[22:27] <phin> later
[22:43] <ethana2> oh hey, is there a hardy alpha out for the PS3?
[22:45] <bardyr> yea
[22:45] <bardyr> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/
[22:47] <bardyr> its ubuntu hardy alpha4.21
[22:47] <ethana2> do they incorporate workarounds for the latest firmware updates?
[22:47] <bardyr> or 0.5 actually
[22:47] <bardyr> idk
[22:47] <ethana2> wow.. daily .iso's
[22:47] <ethana2> that's awesome.. so they /do/ exist
[23:14] <bardyr> w00t, der er kde 4.0.1 opdateringer
[23:14] <bardyr> helt mærkeligt at der er 2 kde udgivelselser indenfor en måned
[23:18] <bardyr> wrong chan :/
[23:19] <rullie> hi, anyone has some archive of screenshots and video for HH?
[23:50] <dn4> ok I install the restricted drivers
[23:51] <dn4> and my xorg.config is very messed up
[23:51] <dn4> I mean it boots up but all my windows, like mozilla, or any games do not have the X button or the other in the top right cornor
[23:52] <dn4> ontop of that when I bring up a terminal it does not show anything, it seems the default settings were 640X800