| zul | mathiaz: dang, i must have forgot about it | 00:02 |
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| Kalamansi | !server configuration | 03:41 |
| Kalamansi | !server | 03:44 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments, including a server-specific !kernel and no !GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current !LTS version is 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/ - The #ubuntu-server channel provides specific support | 03:44 |
| Kalamansi | hello | 05:07 |
| Kalamansi | how to setup file server? so that workstations pc2 xp and pc3 win98 can save and download their files to the pc1 server ubuntu.. thanks | 05:08 |
| CarlFK | Kalamansi: ask in #ubuntu - that's a fairly common thing | 05:13 |
| CarlFK | Kalamansi: install sama will be step 1 | 05:14 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : sama? | 05:14 |
| CarlFK | sorry samba | 05:14 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : thanks. | 05:14 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : which server? with GUI or CLI? | 05:14 |
| CarlFK | step 2: configure samba to do what you want :) | 05:15 |
| CarlFK | um, there is only one server | 05:15 |
| Kalamansi | i mean in console without x right? | 05:15 |
| CarlFK | for home use, doesn't really matter | 05:16 |
| Kalamansi | which you prefer anyway? like more secured | 05:16 |
| CarlFK | the less you install on a box the more secure it is | 05:16 |
| CarlFK | so install u-server, install samba. | 05:16 |
| Kalamansi | u-server? | 05:17 |
| Kalamansi | ubuntu CLI? | 05:17 |
| CarlFK | Ubuntu Server | 05:17 |
| Kalamansi | which server? 7.10 CLI? | 05:17 |
| CarlFK | what ever is current stable | 05:17 |
| CarlFK | 710 sounds like it | 05:18 |
| Kalamansi | okay ill do 7.10 | 05:18 |
| Kalamansi | without x window CarlFK? | 05:18 |
| CarlFK | right | 05:18 |
| CarlFK | no X, no games, no bit torrent, no email, no wine, no browser, no k-recipes, no music palyer, no tv recorder... | 05:19 |
| CarlFK | :) | 05:19 |
| CarlFK | listing all the things you should not install is going to take much longer than listing the things to install | 05:20 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : thanks ill install 7.10 without x now | 05:21 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : server for internet sharing must have no x window too? | 05:22 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK and internet sharing server ubuntu must be separate from file server ubuntu too? | 05:22 |
| CarlFK | must? no. but that is the most likely box to be hacked, so best to have as little on it as posible | 05:24 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : what i mean is, i have to use two box. one for internet sharing (without x window?) and two for fileserver. | 05:25 |
| CarlFK | you don't have to | 05:27 |
| Kalamansi | why CarlFK? | 05:27 |
| CarlFK | because you can put everything on one box | 05:28 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : is that okay? what if workstations will upload files?my internet will slow for that? | 05:28 |
| CarlFK | it will be fine | 05:30 |
| Kalamansi | with 4 nics? | 05:33 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK with 4 nics? | 05:33 |
| CarlFK | yup | 05:34 |
| Kalamansi | okay thanks CarlFK | 05:35 |
| CarlFK | again: that is the most likely box to be hacked, so best to have as little on it as posible | 05:36 |
| Kalamansi | meaning no updates to be downloaded right? | 05:36 |
| CarlFK | you should worry abut that more than speed | 05:36 |
| CarlFK | no | 05:36 |
| Kalamansi | once you installed ubuntu no updates to download | 05:36 |
| CarlFK | no | 05:36 |
| Kalamansi | ok i got you | 05:36 |
| CarlFK | updates come out now and then. apply them | 05:36 |
| Kalamansi | so no updates and upgrades | 05:36 |
| CarlFK | no no...' | 05:37 |
| Kalamansi | okay all no | 05:37 |
| Kalamansi | noted | 05:37 |
| CarlFK | I wouldn't put files on it | 05:37 |
| CarlFK | well | 05:37 |
| Kalamansi | okay all "no" . noted | 05:37 |
| CarlFK | everything is a fiel... | 05:37 |
| Kalamansi | fiel? | 05:37 |
| CarlFK | I wouldn't put personal files on it | 05:37 |
| Kalamansi | ok | 05:38 |
| CarlFK | assume it is going to be hacked, and everything copied and deleted | 05:38 |
| CarlFK | so the firewall / routing config should be the only thing you care about | 05:38 |
| CarlFK | get it working, make a copy of the configs, apply updates | 05:39 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : "firewall" im not good in CLI. but in GUI i use firestarter...what else? what firewall apps to install in CLI? | 05:39 |
| CarlFK | but assume that some day the box will be hacked, and you should just wipe the drives and start over | 05:39 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : what is the example apps of "firewall" and "routing" ? | 05:40 |
| CarlFK | well, that gets sticky. if you are good with something, that is better than making a mistake trying to be better | 05:40 |
| Kalamansi | my understand about firewall is - firestarter | 05:40 |
| Kalamansi | for routing - its like installing dhcp internet sharing | 05:41 |
| CarlFK | "firewall" and "routing" are both just iptables settings | 05:41 |
| Kalamansi | i see. thats my weakness..i am not good in typos script | 05:41 |
| CarlFK | i think firestarter just helps you configure rules for iptables | 05:41 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : in GUI, yes. | 05:41 |
| CarlFK | install u-desktop, install firestarter, and whatever else you need | 05:42 |
| CarlFK | set it up, get it working | 05:42 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : do you have samples of "firewall" and "routing" script? | 05:43 |
| CarlFK | make a copy of whatever you would need to save time setting it up again | 05:43 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK but you said before dont install x window? | 05:44 |
| CarlFK | http://dpaste.com/33825/ | 05:45 |
| Kalamansi | im done installing and running firestarter before.. internet is very slow to pc2 and pc3. so i tried installing ubuntu without X, internet seems fast in pc2 win98 and pc3 winxp wotkstation | 05:45 |
| CarlFK | it is a trade off between "best" and "done" | 05:46 |
| CarlFK | best will be to spend 6 years in college becoming an expert at OS and networking. but you probably don't need to put that much effort into it. :) | 05:47 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK : hehe yeah. i hate school. i learn noob tutorials in my bestfriend's ebook. setting up windows then setting up linux | 05:48 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK but demonoin is down..my only source of tutorials... | 05:49 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK its like 24 hours tutorials setting something | 05:49 |
| CarlFK | set up whatever is easiest. just assume it will be hacked, so make sure you have backups, or just figure it out again if you have to | 05:50 |
| sigma | has anyone here used kolab on a ubuntu server? | 06:23 |
| Kalamansi | CarlFK hehe reinstall 7.10 again. something wrong.hang up dvd hehehe | 06:26 |
| alternate_nick | what is "news" for in /var/log/? | 06:45 |
| alternate_nick | exit | 06:45 |
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| kraut | moin | 12:56 |
| kh | aloha. | 12:57 |
| hsn_ | can someone give me comparsion of ubuntu vs sles? Which is easier to update and maintain? We plan to run ibm db2 server on it | 13:00 |
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| ScottK | hsn_: You're pretty unlikely to get an opinion here that ubuntu-server isn't wonderful. Canoncial does provide db2 packages in their 'partner' repository, so there are db2 packages for the distro. | 13:07 |
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| hsn_ | ubuntu server is maintained 18months and new version is every 6 months. Can i skip versions during updates? | 13:10 |
| _ruben | no .. only exception is lts -> lts | 13:10 |
| _ruben | im currently in the progress of migrating from sles9 to ubuntu actually | 13:10 |
| _ruben | sles sure has some nice features, like yast and stuff like that .. but the fixed release schedule for one is a big plus for ubuntu | 13:11 |
| _ruben | one thing i hate about suse is that install and update sources are seperate | 13:12 |
| ScottK | hsn_: The next release (sched for April) will be LTS, so you'll be able to upgrade directly from that to the next LTS release in ~2 years. | 13:14 |
| hsn_ | LTS is normal version or some versions comes with 2 flavours (normal / lts)? | 13:15 |
| _ruben | ScottK: what determines if a certain release will be LTS? just the ~2 years ? | 13:15 |
| ScottK | It's the normal release. It's called LTS when Canoncial decides they'll give it extra support. | 13:15 |
| _ruben | hsn_: its identical to any other release, just with longer support | 13:15 |
| ScottK | Upgrades tend to be easier on Debian derived systems. I upgraded a laptop Dapper -> Edgy -> Feisty -> Gutsy over the weekend and while it took a while (mostly due to slow ancient hardware) there were no technical issues with the upgrades. | 13:17 |
| _ruben | and with debian based systems the upgrade can be done 'online' .. with suse/sles it requires booting from the new version's installation media | 13:17 |
| avatar_ | updating is so easy with apt | 13:19 |
| _ruben | sudo do-release-upgrade is all there is to it ;) | 13:19 |
| hsn_ | i am using kubuntu on desktop with adept package manager, server version comes just with aptitude? | 13:29 |
| _ruben | aptitude / apt-get and co / and possibly more tools .. | 13:30 |
| kraut | http://www.osnews.com/images/comics/wtfm.jpg | 13:32 |
| hsn_ | server and destkop version share same .deb repo? | 13:32 |
| avatar_ | hsn_: yes | 13:32 |
| avatar_ | hsn_: server install is just a plain ubuntu install without the ubuntu-desktop metapackage | 13:33 |
| ScottK | It's also got a kernel better tuned for server work. | 13:34 |
| ScottK | Although I've yet to notice a significant difference. | 13:34 |
| ScottK | Adept is a gui front end for apt-get, so it's the same under the GUI. | 13:34 |
| _ruben | kraut: hehehe | 13:37 |
| hsn_ | can i browse/search via web available packages? | 13:41 |
| _ruben | http://packages.ubuntu.com ;) | 13:41 |
| kaii | roxx .. | 13:49 |
| kaii | i use this when i miss specific files | 13:49 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: I'm pretty sure they turned the auto expire thing back on (bugs at least have a countdown displayed). In any case it could come back at any time so I think bugs we don't want expired shouldn't get marked incomplete. | 14:50 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: It's just a message. | 14:50 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: I don't the janitor actually runs. I've come accross bugs that were marked expired for more than 60 days and hadn't been touched by LP. | 14:51 |
| ScottK | mathiaz: OK. But we've no idea when it'll come back on, so we shouldn't assume it wont | 14:52 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: right. | 14:52 |
| Schiz0 | Hey. I'm running a MySQL and apache server. The load is always around 1-1.5, which is fine. But every so often the load shoots up to like 15, and I'm wondering what's causing that. When it's high, I run "top" to try and see what's going on, but all it has is a MySQL process at the top of the list. | 15:08 |
| mathiaz | Schiz0: It may be related an sql query run by the server. Does it happen at regular times ? | 15:09 |
| mathiaz | Schiz0: you may wanna check the slowquery log also | 15:09 |
| Schiz0 | It doesn't seem to happen regularly. But it is in fact a MySQL query (or series of them) doing that? | 15:09 |
| Schiz0 | The code we run isn't too optimized, so I guess that would cause the problem. I'll check the slowquery log, thanks | 15:10 |
| zul | mathiaz: grrr....freaking mysql man pages | 15:47 |
| mathiaz | zul: I think it's temporary. | 15:48 |
| mathiaz | zul: may be mysql-doc hasn't been published yet. | 15:48 |
| zul | im pretty sure.. | 15:49 |
| zul | it has | 15:49 |
| zul | mathiaz: should mysql-docs be built for amd64 as well? | 16:05 |
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| mathiaz | zul: ok - I've seen another bug for mysqld.8 man page | 16:21 |
| ScottK | leonel: Is the clamav CVE list for Dapper something you'll have time for soon? | 16:23 |
| zul | mysql-client looks like its not getting removed | 16:23 |
| soren | mathiaz, zul: What's the problem with the mysql-docs? | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | soren: the old version of mysql-doc ships mysqld.8, which is now provided in mysql-server-5.0 | 16:26 |
| mathiaz | soren: a new mysql-doc package has been uploaded that doesn't ship mysqld.8 | 16:26 |
| soren | mathiaz: You know what to do then? | 16:26 |
| leonel | ScottK: Yes I'll start past noon MST | 16:32 |
| leonel | ScottK: do you need it sooner ? | 16:32 |
| ScottK | leonel: No. When you can get to it is fine. | 16:33 |
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| luckyone | how do you set the reply to address in ~/.muttrc? | 17:27 |
| luckyone | soren: did you study in Prague during the Fall of 2002? | 17:28 |
| soren | luckyone: I've never even been to Prague :) | 17:31 |
| luckyone | soren: cool - one of my friends from prague uses a similar alias | 17:31 |
| * luckyone uses *friends* liberally | 17:31 | |
| soren | my_hdr is probably what you're looking for (in muttrc) | 17:32 |
| luckyone | I did my_hdr Reply-to: a@b.c with no luck | 17:33 |
| soren | luckyone: my_hdr "Reply-to: foo@bar.baz" ? | 17:34 |
| luckyone | soren: I think I found it on the wiki | 17:38 |
| soren | OK. | 17:38 |
| luckyone | set realname="First Last" | 17:38 |
| luckyone | set from="a@b.c" | 17:38 |
| luckyone | set use_from=yes | 17:38 |
| soren | Eh? | 17:47 |
| soren | luckyone: That doesn't set a reply-to header. | 17:47 |
| faulkes- | looks like a mutt config | 17:47 |
| soren | Yes? | 17:47 |
| leonel | ScottK: looking at dapper's changelog IIRC we put some patches in may 2007 or Jun and there's nothing patched since Jan 6 2007 or there was no patches to dapper ?? | 17:50 |
| ScottK | leonel: That's correct | 17:55 |
| ScottK | leonel: clamav 0.8x is basically unsupportable. I'm trying to make a case to copy our backport into updates so everyone gets it. | 17:56 |
| ScottK | leonel: You're CVE list is the key point I think to getting it accepted. There's no other way. | 17:56 |
| leonel | I've already got the CVE list that affects clamav since 88.2 but I need to check one by one which are only for 0.91 or 92 for the code change | 17:57 |
| ScottK | K. I appreciate the effort. | 17:57 |
| leonel | there are 22 cve's but I think most of them are for newer versions I'll let you know latter Got to go to the doctor ( eyes exam ) in 30 minutes | 17:58 |
| ScottK | Thanks and no rush. | 17:59 |
| luckyone | soren: really? | 18:03 |
| luckyone | it populates it on my client | 18:03 |
| zul | mathiaz: i was able to reproduce it :) | 18:17 |
| CygnusX1 | Hello. Would anyone happen to have working snort with inline startup scripts for Ubuntu Server 7.10? | 18:30 |
| faulkes- | not me and I don't recall seeing anything being done with it | 18:36 |
| faulkes- | but then again, I'm new here so | 18:36 |
| Schiz0 | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png | 18:44 |
| soren | luckyone: It just sets the "From: " header. If you don't set use_from, it'll leave it to the MTA to set one for you. Reply-to is an entirely different header. | 18:52 |
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| pteague | has the upgrade issue with raid devices been fixed? | 19:44 |
| soren | Which one is that? | 19:45 |
| pteague | when upgrading between 1 version & the next the drives in the raid array end up with different UUID numbers (or was it their /dev/sd[a-z] ?) causing all sorts of problems with the raid array... i finally got mine set up again, but it had to completely rebuild 1 of the drives (apparently because it was in a different position than it had been before) | 19:51 |
| Schiz0 | I'm using Ubuntu server 7.10, and I'm trying to optimize apache22. The apache performance Tuning manual says this: "On some operating systems, mmap does not scale as well as read(2) when the number of CPUs increases." Is this true for Ubuntu 7.10? | 19:54 |
| soren | pteague: UUID's should never, ever change. | 20:00 |
| soren | pteague: Device nodes are free to do so, however. | 20:00 |
| zul | mathiaz: just using replaces doesnt work | 20:08 |
| mathiaz | zul: what's the error ? | 20:08 |
| pteague | ok, then that must have been it... because simply scanning /proc/partitions for MD superblocks must have put them in the wrong order or something because it wouldn't auto build the md0 device after the upgrade from feisty to gutsy... i had to re-add them which sort of worked, but 1 drive was 'missing'... from what i can tell 1 of the drives that used to be at the beginning was now at the end & i had to have it re-add that disk & a | 20:08 |
| pteague | t that point it had to rebuild it... not a nice easy upgrade | 20:08 |
| mok0 | sorenn, the mac_addr trick solved my kvm problems completely! We have now deployed a couple of virtual servers in testing for production! | 20:10 |
| zul | mathiaz: whoops i think i might have made a mistake ill get back to you | 20:10 |
| soren | mok0: I'm *very* happy to hear that. | 20:10 |
| soren | mok0: Awesome! | 20:10 |
| mok0 | soren: definetly cool! | 20:10 |
| mok0 | soren: we have a jabber server on one of them; it works like a charm | 20:12 |
| zul | mathiaz: trying to overwrite manpages again | 20:12 |
| soren | zul: Error message? | 20:13 |
| zul | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/mysql_config.1.gz', which is also in package mysql-doc-5.0 | 20:13 |
| soren | And it has "Replaces: mysql-doc-5.0"? | 20:14 |
| soren | That doesn't add up. | 20:14 |
| zul | Replaces: mysql-doc-5.0 (<< 5.0.56-0ubuntu1) | 20:15 |
| zul | thats with straight dpkg -i | 20:16 |
| soren | zul: -> #ubuntu-devel | 20:17 |
| akincer | Ok, so what are the odds of me getting folks to discuss the (ill-informed) rejection of Bacula? | 21:40 |
| mathiaz | akincer: Did you reply to the thread on the ubuntu-server mailing list ? | 21:41 |
| akincer | Yep. So far, no one has addressed my question. That was at 9:16AM EST | 21:41 |
| akincer | There seems to be quite a bit of lack of understanding of the security issue? Mainly, a lack that it really isn't an issue at all with the latest packages and some thought | 21:43 |
| mathiaz | akincer: you may wanna ask zul about this | 21:44 |
| akincer | Will zul be in the meeting tomorrow? | 21:44 |
| mathiaz | akincer: you could also look at the MainInclusionRequirement document (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements) | 21:45 |
| mathiaz | akincer: this is the criteria that are used to evaluate a MainInclusionReport. | 21:46 |
| mathiaz | akincer: zul should be in the meeting tomorrow. | 21:46 |
| ScottK | akincer: If you want to get listend to, I'd suggest toning it down a bit. | 21:46 |
| akincer | Well it was rejected on a security issue that isn't. | 21:46 |
| ScottK | In your opinion. | 21:47 |
| mathiaz | akincer: it's worth noting that the rejection is not on the MIR itself, rather on whether it was worth spending time to write a MIR. | 21:47 |
| ScottK | You aren't responsible for Ubuntu security, so you may have a different set of requirements. | 21:47 |
| mathiaz | akincer: if a MIR is written, it still has to be accepted by the MIR reviewer - and that's not the server team. | 21:47 |
| ScottK | Showing up and calling people idiots isn't likely to get you reasoned dialogue. | 21:47 |
| akincer | I'm pretty sure I didn't call anyone an idiot | 21:48 |
| akincer | If challenging the veracity of a conclusion WRT package decisions in Ubuntu is some taboo, then I'd be pretty disappointed | 21:50 |
| mathiaz | akincer: If you're available tomorrow for the meeting and able to attend, it's worth discussing this item. | 21:50 |
| mathiaz | akincer: Could you add an item to the Meeting agenda ? | 21:51 |
| akincer | Unless there is a fire I have to put out, I'll be there | 21:51 |
| mathiaz | akincer: great ! Your views are welcomed. | 21:51 |
| akincer | I've never added an item before. Where does one do that? | 21:51 |
| mathiaz | akincer: on the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 21:52 |
| akincer | Ahh, I gotcha. I'll add it now | 21:52 |
| mathiaz | akincer: I'd also suggest to have a quick look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements to remember what are the critiria used for inclusion into main. | 21:53 |
| akincer | I will before I put it on the agenda | 21:58 |
| akincer | mathiaz: I'm going to read up and try my best to understand the decision, but I really think this is going to be a case of splitting hairs. Similar to how Mysql was (for a time) packaged to install with no password set. The solution there was to require a password to be set on installation. Makes sense. A similar approach could, I believe, be taken to remove the security "issue" with Bacula | 22:07 |
| mathiaz | akincer: FYI, the decision is not final. It's perfectly ok to discuss it during the meeting and change our mind on it. | 22:11 |
| freakyy | hi all. what is a good groupware server? | 22:12 |
| akincer | I added the item. I'll make sure to be as well prepared as possible to give my point of view on the matter. | 22:14 |
| luckyone | freakyy: opencrx | 22:14 |
| mathiaz | akincer: excellent - I think zul should be around als. | 22:14 |
| freakyy | thx ill have a look at it | 22:14 |
| luckyone | freakyy: version 2.0 will have everything imaginable | 22:15 |
| akincer | Is that 6PM EST for the meeting? | 22:15 |
| akincer | my UTC converson sucks | 22:15 |
| freakyy | ok thank you | 22:15 |
| freakyy | :)) | 22:15 |
| mathiaz | akincer: EST == UTC - 5 these days | 22:16 |
| akincer | 3PM it is | 22:17 |
| akincer | I need sleep | 22:17 |
| mathiaz | akincer: it's 4PM EST | 22:17 |
| akincer | It's the simple math that will get ya | 22:17 |
| akincer | see what I mean | 22:17 |
| akincer | Somehow in my head 21 - 5 = 15 | 22:18 |
| akincer | See ya then, gotta go | 22:18 |
| mathiaz | see you tommorow akincer | 22:19 |
| freakyy | luckyone: why is it better than eGroupware? | 22:55 |
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