[01:17] <Moptop650> Hey, im installing xubuntu on my other PC, and its asking me to put in disk labled "Xubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon _ - Release i386 (10071016)", what disk is that?
[02:59] <speedcore> anyone running ntop on xubuntu?
[03:55] <POloser> hello. please help. i installes xubuntu 7.10 on old laptop (64 ram). run very slow :( Now i want add alternate option to grub to boot in text mode (but not single mode as recovery option). How can i do this?
[05:13] <PsynoKhi0> Hi, there is a line in the dmesg here saying "Error: Host SMBus controller not enabled! - upgrade BIOS or use force=1", how critical is that on a laptop?
[05:49] <venz> Question: is there other alternative commands to install Xubuntu core files and not include the included application found in xubuntu-desktop?
[05:50] <venz> OR I just install Xubuntu then change each of the application included w/ my preferred application?
[05:55] <Ein2015> how do i get xubuntu to automatically mount all drives for all users?
[06:16] <PsynoKhi0> venz: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html something like that maybe... though it's all command line based do you better know what packages you want/need
[06:17] <PsynoKhi0> so you'd better know*
[06:17] <venz> I managed to find some of the packages I need
[06:18] <venz> PsynoKhi0: thanks
[06:18] <PsynoKhi0> np
[06:19] <PsynoKhi0> thought I was after a more recent version
[06:19] <PsynoKhi0> though*
[06:20] <venz> the link you posted and this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems is nearly the same, but for some wierd reason I'm unable to make it work
[06:21] <cclampblues> howdy
[06:21] <PsynoKhi0> Ein2015: sry I don't know
[06:21] <PsynoKhi0> cclampblues: hi
[06:22] <venz> I manage to have xfce4 (window manger installed), no login GUI (i prefered that), but the next step, which is the desktop manager I'm lost there
[06:22] <cclampblues> i just installed gusty and was lookin for some help with a wireless card issue
[06:25] <cclampblues> the card is (pcmcia) smc ez connect ... it is not recognized by the system at all apparently = not listed when i check apps, system, network menu
[06:26] <cclampblues> It had worked previously. in drapper it was plug-n-play good times. in edgy elf some nice folks in here helped me get things working... i was hoping that i'd have that luck again
[06:27] <cclampblues> any ideas on what i can do?
[06:28] <cclampblues> !wireless
[06:28] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:28] <cclampblues> good bot.
[06:28] <PsynoKhi0> I'd start with dmesg
[06:31] <cclampblues> PsynoKhiO: sorry im not even sure what that is... or how to access it... type it in a terminal window?
[06:32] <PsynoKhi0> you can do that though you might get flooded by network messages, safer to go to /var/log
[06:33] <PsynoKhi0> also, did you upgrade to Gutsy or run a clean install?
[06:33] <cclampblues> clean
[06:34] <cclampblues> its listed as supported on the help pages. so thats good.
[06:36] <PsynoKhi0> when you say it's not recognised by the system, do you mean it doesn't appear in the hal device manager?
[06:37] <cclampblues> what am i looking for in dmesg
[06:37] <cclampblues> wheres that?
[06:37] <cclampblues> that sounds helpful
[06:38] <PsynoKhi0> in dmesg, anything that could be related to pcmcia :)
[06:38] <cclampblues> oh good. this will be fun.... ha.
[06:38] <PsynoKhi0> device manager is a package you can find in e.g. synaptic
[06:39] <PsynoKhi0> hal-device-manager
[06:40] <PsynoKhi0> might work with sudo apt-get install hal-device-manager
[06:40] <cclampblues> dont i need a working network connection for that though? or can it be installed from disc?
[06:44] <cclampblues> in snypatic i see hal (hardware abstraction layer), hal-cuts-utils, and hal-info.... but not hal-device-manager
[06:44] <PsynoKhi0> yup you'll need a connection, or there might be a way to get it from a vanilla ubuntu CD, I think it ships with it as standard
[06:44] <PsynoKhi0> uh that's weird
[06:46] <cclampblues> quick check through dmesg didnt return anything.
[06:46] <cclampblues> as far as pcmcia
[06:50] <PsynoKhi0> my bad, look for "Yenta"
[06:53] <cclampblues> ok so i ran: sudo lshw and my card shows up.
[06:53] <cclampblues> its listed as:  *network UNCLAIMED
[06:54] <cclampblues> whats that mean?
[06:55] <cclampblues> no yenta in synaptic
[06:55] <PsynoKhi0> I meant in dmesg =)
[06:56] <PsynoKhi0> but if your card is listed it's not needed to check that out anymore
[06:58] <PsynoKhi0> what's that card for btw? is that your only connectivity device?
[06:58] <cclampblues> yeah. its a dell pentium 3 lappy. nothing onboard.
[07:02] <PsynoKhi0> found a thread about someone having an issue similar to yours, apparently it was solved following the following howto: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_checkout_and_install_madwifi_experimental_driver_for_ar5008
[07:03] <PsynoKhi0> not sure the chip on the pcmcia card is the same but might be worth checking it out
[07:04] <PsynoKhi0> sorry couldn't be more helpful but gotta run and get some work done now
[07:05] <cclampblues> thanks a lot.
[07:10] <cclampblues> TheSheep: you awake?
[13:22] <cclampblues> hello
[13:24] <cclampblues> !device manager
[13:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about device manager - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:36] <cclampblues> howdy all, anyone want to help me out with a wireless networking problem in gusty?
[14:04] <cclampblues> !wireless
[14:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:12] <XubuntuNewbie> Would someone here please be so kind as to explain how to get sound working in Xubuntu (7.10 Gutsy Gibbon)? I have a Soundblaster Live! Value card in this machine and ALSA seems to be already installed. No speaker icon showing and only beeps from internal speaker heard....
[14:14] <XubuntuNewbie> anyone?
[14:16] <cclampblues> i have an smc wireless card [model smc2635w (pcmcia)  --  with ADM tek adm8211 chipset] that does not show up in applications, system, network menu..... but when i lspci it shows up... with lshw it shows up as: *-network UNCLAIMED.... any advice would be greatly appreciated.
[14:17] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, from the info on the alsa webpage I would say it should just work. Did you double check alsamixer settings, might be muted or so.
[14:17] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, also check if alsamixer lists the card.
[14:17] <XubuntuNewbie> predaeus: Thank you first of all for responding to my question... but how do I access 'alsamixer'? is it in GUI or shell?
[14:19] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, you can run it from shell
[14:19] <XubuntuNewbie> predaeus: I did now try accessing it in the shell, and it SHOWS my soundcard there... 'sblive value CT4670' Tritech ID 3 chipset... but doesn't seem to work in the actual graphical interface still......
[14:20] <XubuntuNewbie> I think it is KDE I am using if I am not mistaken.
[14:20] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, then it could be related to the KDE sound daemon. I don't know about that, ask in #kubuntu for help with kde.
[14:21] <XubuntuNewbie> Okay will try that
[14:22] <XubuntuNewbie> predaeus: I use whatever the standard graphical shell is when installing xubuntu.... I don't know if that IS KDE or something else :)
[14:22] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, xubuntu uses xfce as default, not kde. But of course you can optionally install kde or gnome, it's all interchangeable with ubuntu
[14:22] <predaeus> ok xfce then
[14:24] <XubuntuNewbie> Then that's what it is :-)
[14:24] <predaeus> hm are the mixers in alsamixer all up? sometimes one of the switches also mutes all the sound. You can chose the mixer with the arrow keys and change between the screens ALL-MIxers, Record, and eh output or something with the TAB key.
[14:25] <predaeus> My soundblaster card comes with some switches in alsamixer on the ALL tab, if I enable the wrong ones, or disable don't remmeber then all the sound is muted.
[14:26] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, sometimes it's a bit of trial and error, sorry. Especially since I am no linux sound guru.
[14:26] <XubuntuNewbie> Yes but it isn't just that it is muted, it doesn't seem that I get the speaker icon in xfce .... nothing that shows there IS working sound. I get a simple pc speaker beep from the internal speaker that is all....
[14:26] <predaeus> TheSheep, are you around? You seem to know lots about Xubuntu's configs *g*
[14:26] <XubuntuNewbie> Okay well no matter what I am very glad for your help!
[14:26] <XubuntuNewbie> I really do appreciate it.
[14:27] <cclampblues> where are you wanting (looking) for this icon to be?
[14:27] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, if you mean the audio volume plugin for the panel with the loudspeaker icon. It's bugged and keeps disappearing and reappearing for people.
[14:27] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, for some it helps to drap drop it onto the panel instead of selecting it to be added.
[14:28] <XubuntuNewbie> okay well is there a simple way to verify sound output on a linux box?
[14:28] <predaeus> *drapndrop
[14:28] <predaeus> *dragndrop sorry
[14:28] <XubuntuNewbie> where can the audio volume plugin thing be found? I know I sound like a total ... moron, but please bear with me....
[14:28] <predaeus> cclampblues, your problem probably general enough, maybe the folks in #ubuntu could help
[14:29] <predaeus> +is
[14:30] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, you can right click on an empty area on the panel -> Add New Item -> and then select the Volume Control plugin (as said before it does not work for some like that, and you will have to grab the icon in that selection window and drag it to the panel to add it)
[14:32] <XubuntuNewbie> Thank you very much!! :)
[14:40] <predaeus> XubuntuNewbie, for some it disappears after reboot...it's a bug.
[15:17] <Blinkiz> How do I see under what group a program is running?
[15:18] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: programs run under a user, the user belongs to a group
[15:19] <Blinkiz> Yeah, but I have started it with the sg command and would like to know if everything went okay
[15:20] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: heh ... gotchya
[15:21] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: i imagine htop would show you that .... 'sudo apt-get install htop' and then once its installed, just run 'htop' and in one of the ncurses menus i believe you would find the info you want .... http://htop.sourceforge.net/ <--- for more info
[15:23] <Blinkiz> maxamillion: I don't think htop will tell me that. It was a really simple command. Like "ps -G <groupname>" or something...
[15:24] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: oh, well yeah ... ps -G <groupname> would also work
[15:24] <Blinkiz> it aint
[15:24] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: works on my machine
[15:24] <Blinkiz> okay, it was working. hehe..
[15:24] <maxamillion> ;)
[15:25] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: just curious .. why do you want to launch a process under a different group?
[15:26] <Blinkiz> Am launchng rtorrent as a different group so download torrent files will be created with the group permission of "fileshare".
[15:27] <maxamillion> Blinkiz: ahhhh, not a half bad idea
[15:28] <Blinkiz> :)
[16:47] <Ein2015> anybody here know how to access a network drive in xubuntu?
[16:49] <siggjen> mount -t nfs IP:/path/to/share /mount/path
[16:50] <cclampblue1> hello can someone help me install a driver?
[16:53] <cclampblue1> anyone?
[16:53] <siggjen> maybe you should specify driver for what
[16:55] <cclampblue1> sry. i am installing a driver for my wireless card on my laptop. i am running gusty -fresh install- my wireless card wasnt recoginized. i think its a driver issue. i found an appropriatee driver and have opened the tarball to a folder on my desktop... now i havee no idea what to do with it :)
[16:56] <siggjen> Maybe there is a README or INSTALL file you could read
[16:56] <siggjen> what network card is it (chipset)
[16:59] <cclampblue1> its smc2635w with adm8211 chipset
[16:59] <Ein2015> thanks siggjen
[16:59] <cclampblue1> i have copied some out of the INSTALL file - im not entirely sure how to do what it describes
[17:00] <cclampblue1> can i paste it here - it may flood a bit but its not too big?
[17:00] <siggjen> paste it to pastebin.ca or sth
[17:00] <cclampblue1> !pastebin
[17:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:00] <Ein2015> siggjen: says mount point doesnt exist
[17:01] <Ein2015> also, the server is passworded, so it'll probably bug me about that :-\
[17:01] <siggjen> Ein2015: did you make a directory for the mountpoint?
[17:01] <Ein2015> nautilus made it easy, but i havent found anything similar in xubuntu.
[17:01] <Ein2015> oh, guess i should do that >.<  durrrr.  :-\
[17:01] <siggjen> Ein2015: just install nautilus then q:
[17:01] <Ein2015> :P
[17:02] <Ein2015> has such an assload of reqs tho >><
[17:02] <Ein2015> >.<*
[17:02] <Ein2015> oh well i'll try it
[17:02] <siggjen> it's no ideal fix
[17:03] <Ein2015> right
[17:03] <siggjen> guess there is atleast 10 different tools to mount samba shares in apt
[17:03] <Ein2015> xubuntu runs a lot faster on this laptop than regular ubuntu did tho...
[17:03] <Ein2015> i cant wait to get money so i can get a better system (think, macbook with ubuntu ^_^)
[17:04] <siggjen> macbook has all the keys wrong
[17:04] <siggjen> atleast with norwegian keyboard
[17:05] <cclampblue1> Ein2015: i pasted at pastebin.ca but it seems to have crashed my browser... not sure if its there... under cclampblues
[17:06] <cclampblues> dont know where the 1 at the end of ny nick came from....
[17:06] <Ein2015> heh siggjen i'm in the US :P
[17:06] <Ein2015> cclampblues: pasted what?
[17:06] <cclampblues> the install file text
[17:07] <cclampblues> i just dont understand what to do... :/
[17:07] <siggjen> 0 match
[17:09] <cclampblues> Ein2015 sry. now im confusing irc users.
[17:09] <Ein2015> lol
[17:09] <Ein2015> thought so ;)
[17:09] <cclampblues> ha. one of those morning... days now i guess
[17:10] <cclampblues> siggjen: was 0 match to me?
[17:10] <siggjen> cclampblues: mhm
[17:12] <cclampblues> ok here it is http://pastebin.ca/892703
[17:12] <cclampblues> whats mhm?
[17:13] <TheSheep> that's acronym of 'meaningless humming mumle' ;)
[17:13] <TheSheep> mumble even
[17:14] <cclampblues> ahh. too many tla
[17:14] <cclampblues> Hey sheep i think you helped me with this issue in the past
[17:14] <siggjen> you need latest module-init-tools it says, use  «apt-cache show module-init-tools» to show your version, mine is 3.3-pre4-2ubuntu4 it seems
[17:15] <TheSheep> cclampblues: di you try to use the restricted drivers manager?
[17:15] <TheSheep> did
[17:15] <cclampblues> yeah it poped up saying there was no need..... or something to that effect
[17:17] <TheSheep> cclampblues: looks like this driver is already in ubuntu
[17:17] <cclampblues> siggjen: where do i use that?
[17:17] <TheSheep> /lib/modules/2.6.24-4-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.ko
[17:17] <siggjen> in terminal i guess
[17:17] <siggjen> but i'm off, gf is visiting
[17:17] <cclampblues> TheSheep: in the past it worked when i plugged it in...
[17:17] <siggjen> guess you should listen to TheSheep
[17:17] <cclampblues> thanks siggjen
[17:18] <cclampblues> appriciate it
[17:18] <TheSheep> cclampblues: did you try 'sudo modprobe adm8211' ?
[17:18] <cclampblues> TheSheep: so what do i do to get the damn thing to run :)
[17:18] <cclampblues> no i will.... i dont have that card installed at the moment is that a problem?
[17:18] <TheSheep> yes
[17:19] <cclampblues> ok let me switch back over to my mac.... brb
[17:20] <cclampblues_> ok here i am
[17:20] <cclampblues_> so run sudo modprobe adm8211?
[17:20] <TheSheep> yes
[17:21] <TheSheep> and show me the last line of 'dmesg'
[17:21] <TheSheep> or 2 lines
[17:23] <cclampblues_> hang on im an idiot. didt put the card in :/
[17:24] <cclampblues_> modprobe: FATAL: Module adm8211 not found.
[17:25] <TheSheep> cclampblues: what does 'uname -r' say?
[17:25] <Blinkiz> I want to make sun-java6-jre the default java runner. What command should I run to make this happen?
[17:25] <cclampblues_> dmesg: (as it pertains to the card) pccard: CardBus card inserted into slot 0
[17:26] <TheSheep> Blinkiz: update-java-alternatives
[17:26] <Blinkiz> TheSheep: Thank you
[17:26] <TheSheep> Blinkiz: or update-alternatives java
[17:26] <TheSheep> Blinkiz: depedning on the version
[17:26] <cclampblues_> i also have cpufreq: change failed with new_state 0 and result 0 (or 1 and result 0) is that normal.....?
[17:27] <TheSheep> cclampblues: no idea
[17:27] <cclampblues_> uname -r : 2.6.22 - 14-generic
[17:27] <TheSheep> ok
[17:27] <cclampblues_> is that the kernel?
[17:28] <TheSheep> now 'ls -ald /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/adm8211.ko
[17:28] <TheSheep> cclampblues: yes
[17:30] <cclampblues_> ok it didnt return anything specifically.... is that ok?
[17:31] <cclampblues_> oops. hang on. are there spaces between dashes?
[17:31] <TheSheep> no
[17:32] <TheSheep> cclampblues: looks like this driver isn ot in your kernel, but I have it in mine, 2.6.24
[17:33] <TheSheep> cclampblues: do you have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic installed?
[17:33] <cclampblues_> yeah the last ls returned no such file or folder
[17:34] <cclampblues_> i dont know if i have linux restricted modules installed how do i tell?
[17:34] <TheSheep> apt-cache policy name-of-the-module
[17:34] <cclampblues_> can i upgrade the kernel? or is that prettymuch the same as reinstalling altogether?
[17:34] <TheSheep> cclampblues: 2.6.24 is in Hardy
[17:35] <TheSheep> cclampblues: you can upgrade, although it's still 3 monsths to release
[17:35] <TheSheep> months
[17:35] <TheSheep> so there may be rough edges and bugs
[17:35] <cclampblues_> oh i see
[17:36] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[17:36] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[17:36] <TheSheep> :)
[17:36] <cclampblues_> ha. pretty cool
[17:37] <cclampblues_> still not sure where to find the restricted modules... sorry.
[17:38] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: just install them with 'sudo apt-get installl linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic'
[17:38] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: you need to have the universe repository enabled, I think
[17:39] <cclampblues_> do i need an internet connection?
[17:39] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: ah, right
[17:39] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: you can download packages from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[17:39] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: and install them by double-clicking on the files
[17:40] <cclampblues_> well i can switch over ... youre talking about updating the kernel right?
[17:40] <cclampblues_> i wouldnt need the wireless card on nececiarily during that... right?
[17:42] <TheSheep> no
[17:43] <cclampblues_> will the apt-get install.... do it directly... or does it download it and then i install??
[17:45] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: it installs directly
[17:45] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: looks like there already was a driver for that card before feisty
[17:45] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442784&highlight=adm8211
[17:46] <cclampblues_> yes i know. it worked perfectly in edgy elf.. (whatever) and you helped me get it going in fiesty... now not really at all. i dont understand it getting 'worse' over time :)
[17:47] <TangentBuntu> hey
[17:47] <TangentBuntu> what's the command to rename a file?
[17:47] <zoredache> TangentBuntu: mv
[17:48] <cclampblues_> ok ill switch over and try to run the new kernel install. if it works would it just recognize the card?
[17:49] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: yes
[17:50] <cclampblues_> TheSheep: thanks for your help. ive been messing with this since like 8 am....
[17:50] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: looks like they forgot to include the module in the kernel %)
[17:51] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: if the update doesn't help, you will have to compile it
[17:51] <Dekko> Here I am again....
[17:51] <cclampblues_> TheSheep: couldnt i just do that now? or wouldnt that work?
[17:52] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: you could, but it's better to have module compiled by the ubuntu team
[17:52] <Dekko> Does anyone here know how to set SAMBA/SambaFS up so I can browse my windows network??? Tried reading up on it and it says "Ubuntu" is supposed to have a 'Windows Network' icon under the 'Network' category in the start menu... 'Applications' in Xubuntu....
[17:52] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: if it's in the update
[17:52] <cclampblues_> TheSheep: is it in the update?
[17:52] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: I don't know, may be worth trying
[17:52] <cclampblues_> didnt you say the driver was part of yours...?
[17:53] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: but I'm running next version of xubuntu
[17:53] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: unstable
[17:53] <XubuntuNewbie> if anyone here could help me with this I'd be very happy....
[17:54] <cclampblues_> TheSheep: oh i guess im not thinking the same thing... thought the driver was with the kernel....
[17:54] <TheSheep> XubuntuNewbie: there should be some howtos on the forums
[17:54] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: it is with the kernel or with the additional modules
[17:54] <TheSheep> cclampblues_: it might be included in updated kernel
[17:54] <XubuntuNewbie> Thesheep: I have looked at them, but it feels as if they're outdated.
[17:55] <cclampblues_> TheSheep: oh i see.. no guarantee either way... it could be in either place? cool. well ill give it a shot. thanks again. here goes...
[17:55] <XubuntuNewbie> They refer to go into the "Applications/Start menu' of Ubuntu, then into Administration.... but there IS no administration subcategory.... ONLY the 'System' one.
[17:55] <XubuntuNewbie> which is what I think they're refering to.
[17:55] <TheSheep> XubuntuNewbie: I have no experience with samba myself (and I'm thankful for it ;) )
[17:55] <XubuntuNewbie> Using Gutsy Gibbon 7.10 release.
[17:56] <TheSheep> XubuntuNewbie: look for a howto for xubuntu
[17:56] <TheSheep> XubuntuNewbie: ubuntu has it done differently
[17:56] <XubuntuNewbie> You don't say.... :-P
[17:57] <XubuntuNewbie> I think its very confusing with the different distributions out there and the way to set them up and how to make it all work...... You have Ubuntu (Gnome based?), Kubuntu (KDE based) and Xubuntu (xfce?!) based....
[17:57] <XubuntuNewbie> And you now say they're set to operate somewhat differently between them.
[17:58] <XubuntuNewbie> I went with xubuntu for its clean interface. Really like it this minimalistic.
[18:00] <TheSheep> XubuntuNewbie: it doesn't cooperate with windows as well as ubuntu though
[18:01] <TheSheep> XubuntuNewbie: look for a howto with smbfs
[18:06] <cclampblues__> TheSheep: ok apparently i already had 2.6.22-14. it said 0 newly installed
[18:06] <TheSheep> cclampblues__: then compiling it is
[18:07] <cclampblues__> gh
[18:07] <cclampblues__> TheSheep: how is that done?
[18:08] <TheSheep> cclampblues__: well, you have the tarball already
[18:08] <TheSheep> cclampblues__: install the build-essential package
[18:08] <cclampblues__> for the device driver yes
[18:08] <cclampblues__> TheSheep: how do i do that?
[18:09] <TheSheep> cclampblues__: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[18:09] <cclampblues__> TheSheep: Ok... brb
[18:18] <cclampblues> TheSheep: ok its installed.
[18:19] <TheSheep> cclampblues: now unpack the driver, and open terminal in its directory
[18:24] <cclampblues> i cant seem to navigate tto my desktop
[18:24] <cclampblues> ha. its not ~/desktop/adm8211
[18:26] <cclampblues> TheSheep: the INSTALL file for the drive i downloaded can be read here http://pastebin.ca/892703 though
[18:29] <TheSheep> cclampblues: just right-click on the empty space in your directory and select 'open temrinal here'
[18:29] <cclampblues> TheSheep: how do i open the terminal to the desktop directory... i know im lame... sry..
[18:29] <TheSheep> cclampblues: in Linux file names are case-sensitive
[18:31] <cclampblues> ok thats a good trick. im there...
[18:31] <TheSheep> cclampblues: ok, run 'make'
[18:33] <cclampblues> ok it spit out a bunch of stuff then this: make[2]: *** [/home/jdk/Desktop/adm8211/adm8211_hw.o] Error 1
[18:33] <cclampblues> make[1]: *** [_module_/home/jdk/Desktop/adm8211] Error 2
[18:33] <cclampblues> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic'
[18:33] <cclampblues> make: *** [modules] Error 2
[18:33] <cclampblues> jdk@ubuntu:~/Desktop/adm8211$
[18:34] <TheSheep> cclampblues: can you pastebin it?
[18:34] <cclampblues> yeah where do you want it?
[18:34] <cclampblues> !pastebin
[18:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[18:34] <cclampblues> there?
[18:35] <TheSheep> yes
[18:38] <cclampblues> http://pastebin.ca/892796  - i put it here. it was already open in my window...
[18:42] <TheSheep> cclampblues: ok, 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-14-generic'
[18:45] <cclampblues> TheSheep: ok its installed
[18:46] <TheSheep> try make again
[18:46] <cclampblues> ok
[18:50] <cclampblues> TheSheep: errors again... see: http://pastebin.ca/892816
[18:50] <cclampblues> TheSheep: thank you again for your help
[18:51] <TheSheep> I don't really know how to build kernel/kernel modles on debian based systems :(
[18:51] <TheSheep> there is osme magic to do with unpacking the sources and all
[18:51] <TheSheep> you might look for a howto, I'm going to sleep now, sorry
[18:52] <cclampblues> no need to be sorry. i really appriciate all your work/help.
[19:13] <Roberth> anyone know which is the right one for start the service management gui?
[19:19] <TheSheep> Roberth: services-admin
[19:19] <Roberth> TheSheep: thanks
[19:20] <Roberth> hmm i though it were an app for administrating init scripts:(
[19:20] <TheSheep> sysv-rc-conf
[19:20] <TheSheep> is one such app
[19:20] <TheSheep> not installed by default
[19:20] <TheSheep> careful, easy to break your syste
[19:20] <TheSheep> m
[19:22] <Roberth> well i was more looking for an gtk gui which didnt involved runlevels etc
[19:36] <Breakage> anyone else getting zombie mousepad processes that won't auto close?
[19:37] <ArmchairArmada> I get them from time to time.
[19:37] <Breakage> hmmm, tried to kill them but still won't go.. this is happening alot :D
[19:38] <Breakage> it's annoying think i'll try leafpad.
[19:39] <Breakage> ArmchairArmada: do yours go if you kill them?
[19:42] <nam31> hmm I read somewhere that someone provided networkmanager 0.7 snapshots for ubuntu, any know what im talking about?
[19:45] <dandielionous> hello
[19:45] <dandielionous> Does anyone know about the mounting problem for audio cds in gutsy?
[19:46] <dandielionous> :-D
[19:48] <dandielionous> When I'm in thunar and click the audio cd it won't mount.  But it will mount from the audio players.
[19:48] <TheSheep> dandielionous: you can't mount audio cds, they don't have any filesystem on them
[19:48] <dandielionous> Is that something I can fix?
[19:48] <TheSheep> dandielionous: audio players play them unmounted
[19:49] <TheSheep> dandielionous: no, it's how the yare made
[19:49] <TheSheep> they are
[19:49] <dandielionous> Thank-you TheSheep.
[19:49] <dandielionous> I read on a forum something about stopping Hal from polling on the device.
[19:49] <dandielionous> But I can't figure out what Xubuntu is calling my cdrom.
[19:50] <dandielionous> And I'm not sure what polling is.
[19:50] <TheSheep> it should be visible somewhere in /proc/bus/ide/
[19:50] <dandielionous> Maybe I need that. lol
[19:50] <dandielionous> nod nod
[19:50] <dandielionous> Only thing I see is cdrom0 and cdrom1
[19:51] <dandielionous> But when I type in the command my terminal doesn't seem to recognize them.
[19:51] <dandielionous> hal - disable - polling - device /dev/scdo
[19:51] <TheSheep> try 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi'
[19:52] <dandielionous> not sure if scdo is my cdrom
[19:52] <dandielionous> kk ty I'll try that
[19:52] <dandielionous> I had it working before.
[19:52] <dandielionous> But I don't know what I did.
[19:52] <TheSheep> working what?
[19:52] <TheSheep> mounted audio cds?
[19:53] <dandielionous> Then I uninstalled Totem and Rythem box and it won't show me what's on the audio cd in thunar anymore.
[19:53] <dandielionous> It won't mount it now.
[19:53] <dandielionous> Unless I'm in an audio player.
[19:53] <dandielionous> I could see the title of the cd before and cruise it's files.
[19:54] <dandielionous> I thought maybe this was a common problem.
[19:55] <dandielionous> mmmm cat didn't seem to work :)
[19:59] <dandielionous> I have /proc/bus input, pci and usb no ide :(
[19:59] <TheSheep> yeah
[19:59] <TheSheep> I just remembered cd drives are see as scsi
[19:59] <TheSheep> seen
[19:59] <dandielionous> scsi?
[19:59] <dandielionous> Is that the name of them?
[20:00] <TheSheep> that's the name of the protocol of communication for the disk drive
[20:00] <dandielionous> nod nod
[20:00] <dandielionous> Is there a place I should look for the name of them then?
[20:00] <TheSheep> the file /proc/scsi/scsi  should have a list of all your scsi devices
[20:00] <dandielionous> aww ty kind person :)
[20:02] <dandielionous> Has a document in there that doesn't show me what it says in the editor.
[20:02] <TheSheep> use the cat command in terminal
[20:03] <dandielionous> cat/proc/scsi/scsi?
[20:03] <TheSheep> with a space
[20:03] <dandielionous> kk :)
[20:04] <dandielionous> Attached devices:
[20:04] <dandielionous> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Vendor: ATA      Model: Maxtor 6L100M0   Rev: BACE
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 05
[20:04] <dandielionous> Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Vendor: Generic  Model: USB SD Reader    Rev: 1.00
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 00
[20:04] <dandielionous> Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Vendor: Generic  Model: USB CF Reader    Rev: 1.01
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 00
[20:04] <dandielionous> Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 02
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Vendor: Generic  Model: USB SM Reader    Rev: 1.02
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 00
[20:04] <dandielionous> Host: scsi2 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 03
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Vendor: Generic  Model: USB MS Reader    Rev: 1.03
[20:04] <dandielionous>   Type:   Direct-Access
[20:04] <dandielionous> sorry
[20:04] <dandielionous> Thought that would be smaller
[20:05] <dandielionous> Can you tell if one of those is my cdrom?
[20:06] <zoredache> it doesn't look like you have a cdrom in there... just a hard drive and one of those multi-flash reader th ings
[20:06] <dandielionous> OH I bet it's the Maxtor.
[20:07] <dandielionous> really zoredache!
[20:07] <zoredache> does maxtor make optical drives?
[20:07] <dandielionous> Mmmmmm well maybe that's why it can't mount it.
[20:07] <dandielionous> I think my cdrom is a maxtor.
[20:07] <dandielionous> something like that.
[20:08] <dandielionous> checking on the front of the drive.
[20:08] <zoredache> the model number 6L100M0 comes up in google as a 100GB sata drive
[20:09] <dandielionous> stupid bifocals
[20:10] <TheSheep> looks like it's not there
[20:10] <dandielionous> sr1710QNX
[20:10] <TheSheep> weird
[20:11] <dandielionous> that's on the front of the drive
[20:12] <dandielionous> well that's the only scsi that's not scsi2
[20:12] <dandielionous> It's scsi0
[20:13] <dandielionous> Don't know why they can't just go with hda1, hda0 etc
[20:13] <TheSheep> sda0
[20:13] <sanozuke> hello
[20:13] <totalwormface> hello :]
[20:14] <sanozuke> does anyone know's how to boot a .ISO from a HD
[20:14] <dandielionous> ty so much TheSheep and zoredache
[20:15] <zoredache> sanozuke: generally, I extra the files from the iso, then setup grub to do whatever bootloader on the iso did
[20:15] <totalwormface> sanozuke: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromAnotherDistro
[20:16] <sanozuke> see iam new to xubuntu
[20:16] <dandielionous>  sudo hal-disable-polling --device /dev/scd0
[20:16] <dandielionous> Cannot find storage device /dev/scd0.
[20:17] <dandielionous> As far as booting an .ISO I think you have to burn that for it to work.
[20:18] <dandielionous> That's an image file. :)
[20:18] <zoredache> dandielionous: have you done any tests to see if the cdrom is good?  Can you still boot a cd off it?
[20:18] <dandielionous> I can play a cd off of it.
[20:18] <dandielionous> Out of the audio player.
[20:18] <dandielionous> I had it working before.
[20:18] <dandielionous> Now it won't mount in Thunar.
[20:19] <dandielionous> What other kind of tests were you referring to?
[20:19] <TheSheep> dandielionous: was it really opening in thunar?
[20:19] <zoredache> doing something like booting off a livecd
[20:19] <TheSheep> dandielionous: or maybe when you clicked on it it opened in the music player?
[20:20] <dandielionous> Yes I made up a test cd called experiment.  It was showing the name in Thunar.
[20:20] <dandielionous> And I cruised the files.
[20:20] <dandielionous> Now it don't work.
[20:21] <zoredache> so then, what have you changed between when it worked and now?
[20:21] <zoredache> have you applied any updates, upgraded kernels, installed software....
[20:21] <dandielionous> I did a complete uninstall of totem and Rhythmbox
[20:21] <dandielionous> Installed lots of players.
[20:21] <dandielionous> Could it have anything to do with gstream?
[20:22] <zoredache> it doesn't seem like adding or removing an audio player should change anything about the cdrom
[20:22] <dandielionous> I had downloaded and installed every type of gstream I could find in synaptic before.
[20:23] <dandielionous> Then uninstalled totem etc.
[20:23] <dandielionous> Maybe something to do with a COMPLETE uninstall of said programs.
[20:24] <dandielionous> Appreciate your help zoredache.
[20:24] <dandielionous> Are you using gutsy?
[20:24] <zoredache> on one of my computers, yes
[20:24] <dandielionous> mmm do you have that problem?
[20:25] <zoredache> no
[20:25] <dandielionous> oh
[20:25] <dandielionous> lol
[20:25] <dandielionous> Well I did something.
[20:25] <dandielionous> Guess I'll get back to working on it.
[20:25] <dandielionous> Thanks for the help :)
[20:25] <zoredache> so your problem is that you can't mount a cdrom right?
[20:26] <dandielionous> yes absolutely correct zoredache :)
[20:26] <dandielionous> Not unless I'm in an audio player.
[20:26] <zoredache> and have you tried mounting from the command line?
[20:26] <dandielionous> Well, I have other problems but that is my current one.
[20:26] <TheSheep> technically, it's not possible to mount an audio cd
[20:26] <dandielionous> I have always been able to mount from kubuntu.
[20:26] <TheSheep> thunar must have some plugin that allows bwosing of audio cds
[20:27] <TheSheep> browsing
[20:27] <zoredache> using something like 'sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom'
[20:27] <dandielionous> I Understood you TheSheep. :)
[20:27] <dandielionous> Let me try that zoredache.
[20:27] <TheSheep> so mounting with 'mount' won't work
[20:27] <TheSheep> but try :)
[20:28] <dandielionous> mount: can't find /dev/cdrom0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[20:28] <zoredache> if that doesn't work also try 'sudo mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom', or 'sudo mount /dev/.static/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom'
[20:29] <dandielionous>  block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only
[20:29] <dandielionous> I tried it without the 0
[20:30] <dandielionous>  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[20:30] <dandielionous>  missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[20:30] <zoredache> but you have a audio disk in there right now?
[20:30] <dandielionous> yes
[20:30] <dandielionous> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[20:31] <dandielionous> dmesg | tail  or so
[20:31] <dandielionous> end of message
[20:31] <zoredache> as far as I know an audio disk will not mount...  But some audio players may see the disk as if it was a filesystem
[20:33] <zoredache> perhaps you are looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/159627
[20:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 159627 in ubuntu "[Xubuntu Gutsy] Audio CD will not mount" [Undecided,New]
[20:33] <dandielionous> I tried dmesg | tail is there someplace I could paste the output?
[20:33] <dandielionous> Yes I was looking there.
[20:35] <dandielionous> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-535429.html
[20:35] <dandielionous> This is the information I found.
[20:35] <dandielionous> A little more complete. )
[20:36] <dandielionous> brb
[20:38] <dandielionous> back
[20:39] <dandielionous>  dmesg | tail
[20:39] <dandielionous> [ 8019.056000] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[20:39] <nam31> god dammit i can get flash to work with firefox:(
[20:39] <dandielionous> oooo I got a fix for that one :)
[20:40] <maxamillion> nam31: please don't curse in this channel ... its against the CoC
[20:40] <dandielionous> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4073291
[20:41] <dandielionous> Works great after I followed the instructions on that page. :)
[20:42] <dandielionous> [ 8019.056000] hdc: error code: 0x70  sense_key: 0x05  asc: 0x64  ascq: 0x00
[20:43] <dandielionous> [ 8019.056000] end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 1024
[20:43] <dandielionous> oooo maybe my device name is hdc!
[20:44] <headhunter_> hi
[20:44] <dandielionous>  8019.056000] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[20:44] <dandielionous>  hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[20:44] <headhunter_> just installed fresh xubuntu with default settings. hibernating works - but after a reboot xfce does ont ask me for my password. bug or feature?
[20:45] <zoredache> perhaps a silly question, but did you take the cd out of the drive?
[20:46] <dandielionous> check in settings manager headhunter under sessions and startup to see if display chooser on login is checked :)
[20:46] <dandielionous> No I haven't taken the cd out of the drive. zoredache ty :)
[20:46] <zoredache> sorry, that was for headhunter_
[20:47] <dandielionous>  sudo hal-disable-polling --device /dev/hdc
[20:47] <headhunter_> zoredache: thank you, will try out next restart.
[20:47] <dandielionous> Polling for drive /dev/hdc have been disabled. The fdi file written was
[20:48] <dandielionous> Polling for drive /dev/hdc have been disabled. The fdi file written was
[20:48] <dandielionous>  /etc/hal/fdi/information/media-check-disable-DVD_TS_H492C.fdi
[20:48] <dandielionous> checking to see if this works
[20:49] <dandielionous> still won't mount maybe I have to restart.
[20:49] <dandielionous> O
[20:49] <dandielionous> I'll be back :)
[21:15] <James7891> Hello, would anyone be able to help me? Ive just setup an Xubuntu Gusty install using a 10gig partition for the OS and a 25gig partition for my files.
[21:15] <James7891> Would someone be able to tell me how I can give myself write permissions for the second partition. also how do i move my "Home" folder?
[21:18] <massctrl> hi can someone point me where to configure the automatic adjustment of the volume?
[21:19] <TheSheep> massctrl: volume normalization?
[21:19] <massctrl> TheSheep: where can I find that ?
[21:19] <TheSheep> massctrl: it's a feature of some music players, but I don't think it's a global option
[21:20] <TheSheep> massctrl: I may be wrong though
[21:20] <massctrl> well, I have in in flash, and mplayer so, it looks global
[21:20] <massctrl> hm
[21:21] <TheSheep> James7891: you have the second partition mounted somewhere?
[21:21] <James7891> yes, its mounted as  /media/disk
[21:22] <TheSheep> James7891: ok, start thunar as root with 'gksu thunar' and copy your home to that partition
[21:23] <TheSheep> James7891: so that the directory /home/username is copied as /home/disk/username
[21:24] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:24] <TheSheep> /media/disk/username
[21:24] <James7891> okay...
[21:27] <James7891> is there anything else i need to do?
[21:27] <TheSheep> next, edit your /etc/fstab (you need to edit it as root)
[21:27] <TheSheep> !fstab | James7891
[21:27] <ubotu> James7891: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[21:28] <TheSheep> James7891: you need to make that partition mounted at /home
[21:28] <TheSheep> James7891: it's something like:   /dev/sda2 /home ext3 defaults 0 0
[21:29] <TheSheep> put your actual partition instead of /dev/sda2 of course
[21:30] <James7891> if i use gnome partition can i change the mount point through that?
[21:30] <TheSheep> gnome partition?
[21:30] <TheSheep> maxamillion: long time no see
[21:31] <James7891> Partition Editor, in the Add / Remove programs its listed as gnome partition editor
[21:31] <maxamillion> TheSheep: so true, how have you bee?
[21:31] <maxamillion> been*
[21:31] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i've been idling here for the past month
[21:31] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I must be blind
[21:31] <maxamillion> TheSheep: :P
[21:32] <TheSheep> James7891: I guess, I'm not sure what it exactly does
[21:32] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i have helped a user or two also :D
[21:32] <TheSheep> James7891: but I think it edits fstab for you
[21:32] <TheSheep> maxamillion: good, good
[21:33] <maxamillion> TheSheep: isn't gnome partition editor just gparted?
[21:33] <TheSheep> James7891: before you do that, make sure the permissions and ownership of the new directory are right
[21:33] <TheSheep> maxamillion: yes, but I have only ever used it for resizing a windows partition
[21:34] <maxamillion> TheSheep: oh ok ... i'm not extremely well versed with it either, only know a bit about it from using sidux
[21:36] <TheSheep> James7891: to set the right ownership, run 'sudo chown youruser.youruser /media/disk/youruser' from terminal
[21:36] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:36] <TheSheep> it's 'chown -R youruser.youruser /media/disk/youruser'
[21:36] <TheSheep> (-R makes it recursive)
[21:39] <James7891> okay, i think i've set the permissions and ive changed the mount point in fstab, do i need to un-mount and re-mount before it will take affect?
[21:39] <TheSheep> James7891: yes, but there is a tricky part
[21:40] <TheSheep> James7891: if you just unmount and re-mount it now, you will have no access to the old contants of /home
[21:40] <TheSheep> contents
[21:40] <TheSheep> if it's not much, you can just leave it like that
[21:40] <James7891> its currently empty
[21:41] <TheSheep> ok, so unmount the /media/disk
[21:41] <TheSheep> and run 'sudo mount -a'
[21:41] <TheSheep> that should mount your new home
[21:41] <TheSheep> relog after that
[21:42] <James7891> okay, thanks
[21:45] <TheSheep> he's not coming back
[21:45] <TheSheep> I hope everything is alright
[21:45] <nanonyme> that's why you'd hope to be geographically near to the people you're helping
[21:46] <nanonyme> you can always pop over if all else fails ^^
[21:46] <maxamillion> nanonyme: yeah, not me ... i help enough people without them banging on my front door during the hours i am not online
[21:46] <nanonyme> :P
[21:46] <maxamillion> ;)
[21:46] <TheSheep> worse if they come with torches and pitchforks
[21:47] <maxamillion> lol
[21:47] <nanonyme> meh, i'd expect beer payments from non-female on-site support...
[21:48] <nanonyme> s/from/for/
[21:48] <TheSheep> I actually do helpdesk for students at my regular work, believe me, people who come to #xubuntu are angels
[21:48] <nanonyme> that is, you can usually fix the problems quite fast. with guys it's nice to stay over and drink beer. with women you can just stay and chat your mouth off...
[21:49] <zoredache> the people on #xubuntu have to follow the rules, and generally ask smart questions...  People that pay you, seem to think they don't have to think before asking
[21:49] <nanonyme> indeed
[21:49] <maxamillion> TheSheep: you do help desk? i thought you did server administration? (or are they the same department at your uni?)
[21:50] <nanonyme> which uni would that be, btw?
[21:50] <TheSheep> maxamillion: we don't have it divided
[21:50] <TheSheep> nanonyme: http://amu.edu.pl
[21:50] <nanonyme> interesting
[21:51] <TheSheep> maxamillion: so you sit there and try to get cat6500 set up with gvrp, and then some student comes so that you can change her password or help her find Word in the apps menu
[21:51] <nanonyme> i don't personally do any official tech support
[21:52] <nanonyme> i've just fooled around with the uni systems long enough to usually be able to help people with problems not requiring administrative accounts or such
[21:52] <maxamillion> TheSheep: LOL
[21:52] <maxamillion> TheSheep: catalyst6500?
[21:52] <TheSheep> maxamillion: yes
[21:52] <maxamillion> jeebus ... nice hardware
[21:53] <TheSheep> maxamillion: we also have two cat4000
[21:53] <TheSheep> maxamillion: all for just under 300 computers, madness
[21:53] <nanonyme> hehe
[21:53] <TheSheep> maxamillion: gov universities are like that
[21:55] <nanonyme> TheSheep, we try to solve most of the problems inside the student communities since at least here dealing with the official uni tech support is usually *pain*
[21:56] <maxamillion> TheSheep: uber maddness ... we have 4 cat4500 and 2 cat6500 ... but that's for a uni that handles between 16,000-20,000 users
[21:56] <TheSheep> nanonyme: we have our tech support recruited from students
[21:57] <TheSheep> nanonyme: I just stayed there after I finished studies
[21:57] <nanonyme> TheSheep, ours is somewhat the same
[21:58] <nanonyme> a very unorganized department where the quality of answers depend entirely on your luck of reaching the right person in the right mood
[21:58] <TheSheep> exactly :)
[21:58] <TheSheep> but we enocourage users to use a mailing list -- then the right person answers
[21:59] <nanonyme> yeah, often the wrong person answers too... at least here
[21:59] <TheSheep> it's a small departament, only 7 admins
[22:00] <nanonyme> well, i dunno if that would happen on a public mailing list though. but it might be you mostly get a sarcastic notice from one of the helpdeskers
[22:00] <TheSheep> we have pretty good communication
[22:00] <nanonyme> nice
[22:00] <nanonyme> i've heard we have like a hundred or so
[22:00] <TheSheep> I can see there might be trouble with that
[22:01] <nanonyme> we could probably survive with a fraction of that though
[22:01] <TheSheep> we can't afford to lose even one person
[22:01] <nanonyme> since we really don't have that many more computer systems than what you said...
[22:03] <TheSheep> nanonyme: which uni are you from?
[22:03] <nanonyme> Helsinki University of Technology
[22:03] <TheSheep> a biggie
[22:04] <nanonyme> we're expecting some changes in computing center hierarchy though since we're in the process of merging with two smaller uni's
[22:05] <TheSheep> centralisation is evil in this case
[22:05] <TheSheep> no matter what IBM says
[22:06] <nanonyme> well, we're focused on engineering, one of the uni's is focused on marketing and another on arts
[22:06] <TheSheep> I mean the tech support part
[22:06] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i switched back to xfwm4 from openbox last night ... i forgot how much i love the built in compositing :D
[22:07] <maxamillion> just enough eye candy to be appealing yet remain functional
[22:07] <TheSheep> maxamillion: nice thing I recently discovered: awn works with xfwm4 without the need for glx
[22:07] <maxamillion> huh ... that's very interesting
[22:08] <TheSheep> it needs compositing, so you have two choices: xfwm4 or compiz
[22:08] <maxamillion> TheSheep: do you use it now?
[22:08] <maxamillion> xfwm4 > compiz
[22:08] <TheSheep> no, it has a small bug that makes it hard to use with my settings
[22:09] <maxamillion> ah ok
[22:09] <TheSheep> bascially, it 'raises' itself whenever you click on it
[22:09] <TheSheep> and I have my xfwm4 configured to switch workspaces to the windows that are rised
[22:09] <maxamillion> oh ... huh
[22:09] <maxamillion> ohhhh ok
[22:09] <TheSheep> so I can
[22:10] <TheSheep> so I can't switch worksaces with awn, because it switches right back
[22:10] <maxamillion> gotchya
[22:10] <TheSheep> it's a bug in awn, but they fixed it in xfwm4 in svn
[22:10] <TheSheep> madness
[22:11] <TheSheep> I even compiled it on my desktop, but now I'm on my new lappy
[22:11] <maxamillion> mmmm new lappy
[22:11] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's yellow :)
[22:11] <maxamillion> :D
[22:12] <maxamillion> my new lappy is boring colored ...
[22:13] <maxamillion> and it doesn't work without pata_amd module (which for some reason, openSuSE 10.3 is the only binary distro i found with their default kernel having that module included)
[22:13] <maxamillion> debian, ubuntu, arch, and fedora all don't
[22:13] <nam32> oh I miss arch:(
[22:13] <TheSheep> maybe it's not free
[22:13] <TheSheep> arch is cute
[22:14] <TheSheep> very simple
[22:14] <nam32> arch is my distro but xfce is broken for me there:(
[22:14] <TheSheep> nam32: compile your own
[22:15] <nam32> own what?
[22:15] <TheSheep> nam32: xfce
[22:15] <nam32> hmmm
[22:15] <TheSheep> nam32: from svn trunk, thre is a new menu system
[22:15] <TheSheep> nam32: much saner
[22:15] <maxamillion> TheSheep: no, its free ... its in the source tree of a vanilla kernel i downloaded from kernel.org ... just not compiled by default by most distros because apparently there are issues getting the auto-hardware-probe stuff to resolve between it and amd74xx module
[22:16] <nam32> I dont think that will fix it, i think the problem is in another package, and the issue started when i reinstalled arch
[22:16] <maxamillion> TheSheep: but somehow openSuSE 10.3 figured it out ... so that's what i am currently running on my laptop, but it works so i don't complain
[22:16] <nam32> TheSheep: well... i tried xfce4-svn... lots of visual stuff was broken, and theres no graphical editor for the new menu system
[22:17] <TheSheep> nam32: use the xml, luke ;)
[22:17] <nam32> TheSheep: how can I do that when the new one has replaced it?
[22:17] <TheSheep> nam32: it uses different files for config
[22:18] <TheSheep> nam32: the ones from the actual freedesktop spec
[22:18] <nam32> TheSheep: i dont think thats a big pro to use it when lots of other stuff is broken
[22:18] <TheSheep> right
[22:19] <TheSheep> apparently I had luck when I tried it
[22:19] <TheSheep> it was some year ago
[22:19] <nam32> eheh:P
[22:19] <TheSheep> well, maybe 4 months
[22:19] <nam32> oh okay
[22:19] <TheSheep> xfce development has its own tempo
[22:20] <nam32> well i guess its in a lot of changes for 4.6
[22:20] <TheSheep> yeah, the thunar and desktop integration, the new menus
[22:21] <TheSheep> and lots of utilities under the hood
[22:22] <nam32> i friend of mine misses things liek ldap support etc
[22:22] <maxamillion> xfce 4.6 will be a major contender for desktop real estate among *nix users all over the planet
[22:22] <nam32> maxamillion: huh?
[22:23] <TheSheep> nam32: ldap support? that's pam thing, not a desktop...
[22:23] <maxamillion> nam32: well right now majority of users either use gnome or kde ... i think xfce will finally break through as one of the most used desktop environments with the release of 4.6
[22:23] <nam32> well then its another thing something around network stuff:P
[22:23] <TheSheep> nam32: thunar won't do network browsing
[22:23] <nam32> maxamillion: well... dont be to optimistic...
[22:24] <TheSheep> nam32: at least not until gvfs integration
[22:24] <nam32> TheSheep: yeah like that is what my friend misses
[22:24] <TheSheep> nam32: you can get some of it with fuse and smbfs
[22:24] <nam32> maxamillion: the thing that users want is drag and drop...
[22:24] <maxamillion> nam32: i think you will be surprised considering how badly gnome needs a rewrite, kde is currently trying to sort out their rewrite and how xfce4 is starting to come together very well after their rewrite from xfce3 to xfce4
[22:25] <nam32> TheSheep: well its not enough for mye friend
[22:25] <TheSheep> nam32: drag and drop is evil, it's only good for mouse users
[22:25] <maxamillion> nam32: if people wanted drag and drop, they would use ROX ...
[22:25] <TheSheep> nam32: it already sucks for touchpads and rackballs, and is horruble with tablets
[22:25] <nam32> hehe okay...
[22:25] <TheSheep> trackballs
[22:26] <maxamillion> nam32: :P
[22:26] <maxamillion> and if you must ... you can drag and drop with xfce
[22:26] <maxamillion> you just aren't forced to
[22:26] <nam32> maxamillion: yeah gnome need seriously a rewrite
[22:26] <TheSheep> they will rewrite it in C#
[22:26] <nam32> welll.... drag n drop makes stuff so much easier
[22:27] <nam32> TheSheep: hope they get rid of python crap split the whole thing up in lesser packages
[22:27] <maxamillion> TheSheep: and i will write them the worst flame mail they have ever seen
[22:27] <TheSheep> nam32: not really, it's unintuitive, invisible
[22:27] <maxamillion> nam32: what python crap?
[22:27] <TheSheep> nam32: how often you have those 'how do I install a theme' questions in gnome?
[22:27] <nam32> TheSheep: never?
[22:28] <TheSheep> nam32: I used to get a lot of them
[22:28] <nam32> TheSheep: and your point is?
[22:28] <TheSheep> there would be less if there was an 'install a theme' button
[22:29] <TheSheep> you need to know in advance what you can drag and drop where and what the result will be
[22:30] <TheSheep> for example, dragging files to launchers to run the apps with the files as parameters is werid to me
[22:30] <TheSheep> weird
[22:31] <TheSheep> and why can't I drag and drop a firefox tab to the desktop to make a web link?
[22:31] <TheSheep> you always have those incosistences where developers didn't think about something, or when the action is ambiguous
[22:32] <zoredache> TheSheep: you don't get a link when you drag something to the desktop?
[22:32] <TheSheep> zoredache: I do in xfce, not in gnome
[22:33] <TheSheep> maybe I have broken something
[22:33] <zoredache> oh, I see.  I thought you where talking about xfce there
[22:33] <nam32> but... i think its years until there will be a gnoem rewrite, right now the devs are extending something that sucks enough allready
[22:33] <Dev1> hi all
[22:34] <maxamillion> Dev1: hi
[22:35] <Dev1> anyone here any good with video?
[22:35] <Dev1> i'm not sure how to accurately set my contrast and brightness, and the #mplayer folks are useless
[22:36] <nam32> TheSheep: and you know what? we need e replacement for gnome-networkmanager!
[22:36] <TheSheep> nam32: what's wrong with it?
[22:36] <maxamillion> Dev1: i can't help you there .. i'm a vlc user and it generally "just works"
[22:37] <nam32> TheSheep: its "gnome-slow" and drag a lot of gnome deps, i saw in a xfce developer interview that one of the developers want it to
[22:37] <nam32> Dev1: what is your issue?
[22:38] <TheSheep> nam32: the only dependency I see is the gnome keyring
[22:38] <maxamillion> nam32: well, there are so many other pre-installed parts of xubuntu that gnome network manager didn't pull in any more gnome-libs
[22:39] <TheSheep> nam32: and what is exactly slow in it? slower network? %)
[22:39] <Dev1> i can't seem to get the contrast and brightness right by eyeing it
[22:39] <maxamillion> yeah ... i've run it on pretty old machines ... its not really that slow
[22:39] <nam32> TheSheep: the app is slow
[22:39] <Dev1> and none of the video progs have a histogram
[22:39] <Dev1> not even vlc!
[22:40] <TheSheep> nam32: what is slow exactly? what do you do with it that slows you down?
[22:40] <nam32> TheSheep: its slow, as in gnome
[22:41] <zoredache> nam32: how are you measuring this 'slowness', and why do you think something else would be faster?
[22:41] <maxamillion> nam32: you should boot the xubuntu liveCD and do a 'dpkg -l' and read through how many gnome-libs are there by default anyways ... the gnome-networkmanager isn't adding any performance hit
[22:42] <nam32> maxamillion: yeah i know
[22:42] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's not even using any gnome libraries except the gnome-keyring
[22:42] <nam32> but its inreplacable at the moment
[22:42] <TheSheep> maxamillion: ldd told me
[22:42] <maxamillion> TheSheep: oh ... huh, that i didn't know
[22:42] <zoredache> it isn't unreplacable... you can manually configure your network
[22:43] <zoredache> painful, for wireless though... :|
[22:44]  * TheSheep is for a gradual improvement of what there is already and working
[22:44] <nam32> zoredache: manually configuring teh network isnt an option
[22:45] <maxamillion> nam32: uhmm.. why isn't it?
[22:46] <TheSheep> it's lightweight and doesn't require gnome libs ;)
[22:46] <nam32> maxamillion: stuff like wpa is a pain
[22:46] <maxamillion> nam32: yes, i completely agree... but it can be done
[22:46] <nam32> yes but it to mucj hassle
[22:46] <maxamillion> i like wifi-radar alot, but you still have to config wpa by hand
[22:47] <nam32> therefor i ham addicted to nm on my laptop
[22:47] <zoredache> you could always start it, let it configure the network and close it or something
[22:48] <maxamillion> gotta run
[22:49] <nam32> but anyway if it just wasnt for that macintosh comp are so expencive i would sit on mac os x
[23:58] <nam32> http://www.faqly.com/faq/view/id/34 haha look at gOS's help system:P
[23:59] <nam32> you type in an question, and some comes and answer it:P