| stdin | you can poke Riddell, Hobbsee or jpatrick too. or scream and shout in here until someone looks :p | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| MaximLevitsky | I try :-) | 00:00 |
| MaximLevitsky | I will try :-) | 00:00 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thanks a lot | 00:01 |
| MaximLevitsky | Btw, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff | 00:01 |
| MaximLevitsky | There is a question about binary files in the end of the page | 00:02 |
| MaximLevitsky | What do you think about it? | 00:02 |
| stdin | are you adding any binary files? | 00:04 |
| MaximLevitsky | No | 00:05 |
| MaximLevitsky | Just want to know what is done in case of this | 00:06 |
| stdin | you'd have to uuencode any binary file, but that's something you don't need to worry about now | 00:06 |
| MaximLevitsky | Last question, what if I assign tjis bug to Jonathan Riddell, is this ok? , (Most bugzillas has a cc list, but I don't see this in launchpad) | 00:09 |
| stdin | we (the kubuntu team) get emails from all the bugs in all the KDE packages anyway | 00:10 |
| yuriy | stdin: if one subscribes to kubuntu-bugs that is... | 00:11 |
| stdin | yuriy: Riddell does :) | 00:13 |
| stdin | besides, the bug contact for kdebase (and other kde packages) is "Kubuntu Team", so you only need to be a member of that to get bug emails | 00:13 |
| MaximLevitsky | But this anoying bug is still unnoticed.... | 00:14 |
| MaximLevitsky | I mean the XDMCP allows easly to launch KDE4 in xnest | 00:14 |
| stdin | it was only reported on 2007-12-23, I wouldn't call that unnoticed | 00:16 |
| MaximLevitsky | Btw the debdiff must be applied on top of exactly the same package it was generated, or not | 00:18 |
| stdin | yeah | 00:19 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thus mine debdiff will be obsolte in few days...., right | 00:20 |
| stdin | why is that? | 00:20 |
| ryanakca | kwwii: ping, were you interested in submitting a mockup? | 00:21 |
| MaximLevitsky | stdin, because kdm is a part of kdebase, and this package is updated qute often, (I am on hardy this is...) | 00:22 |
| MaximLevitsky | And you say that debdiff won't apply on the modified package | 00:22 |
| stdin | 3 updates a month isn't that often | 00:23 |
| stdin | and you'll get your patch into the next update if you upload it | 00:23 |
| mhb | ryanakca: hmm | 00:23 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I'm not sure you get this Europe thing | 00:23 |
| mhb | ryanakca: let me explain: it's real late in Europe | 00:23 |
| mhb | ryanakca: 01:22 A.M. | 00:24 |
| mhb | if you were a married man with children, would you be fresh at 01:22 AM ? | 00:24 |
| mhb | :o) | 00:24 |
| mhb | (I assume he is) | 00:24 |
| stdin | it's not 01:22 AM where I am, and I'm in Europe ;) | 00:25 |
| mhb | stdin: true, but not in my europe, he's in my europe :o) | 00:25 |
| stdin | I thought it was *our* europe :p | 00:25 |
| mhb | stdin: where are you? uk? | 00:26 |
| stdin | yeah | 00:26 |
| mhb | ryanakca: anyway, I'm just joking, but I don't think you'll catch him at this time. | 00:27 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I hope you're not offended | 00:27 |
| stdin | it is indeed late and I would say my bed was calling me if I wasn't actually lying on my bed now | 00:28 |
| mndo | mhb: in portugal is even sooner..~00h28am :) | 00:28 |
| ryanakca | mhb: lol :) | 00:28 |
| MaximLevitsky | stdin, actually I need to change a kubuntu patch, not to add one, the bug is in 70_kdm_consolekit.diff | 00:28 |
| MaximLevitsky | Fortunialy, I can just edt the patch, since the fix is trivial | 00:29 |
| ryanakca | mhb: I pinged him and then tried to implement a gcd function in C++... incledible how such a simple algorithm (Euclid's algorithm) can give so many errors... all of them syntax of course :) | 00:29 |
| stdin | MaximLevitsky: then just change the changelog comment to "Edited debian/patches/70_kdm_consolekit.diff to fix ... (LP: #????)" | 00:29 |
| mhb | ryanakca: that's like two lines | 00:30 |
| ryanakca | yeah, here's what I have : | 00:30 |
| mhb | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54945/ | 00:31 |
| ryanakca | mhb: http://blog.ryanak.ca/gcd.cpp | 00:31 |
| ryanakca | mhb: do you need the 'else', since the function probably breaks after it returns once? | 00:32 |
| mhb | no | 00:32 |
| ryanakca | gcd.cpp:9: error: invalid operands of types ‘double’ and ‘double’ to binary ‘operator%’ | 00:33 |
| mhb | but it looks nicer :o) | 00:33 |
| ryanakca | lol | 00:33 |
| mhb | also, passing double is a bit strange, isn't it? | 00:33 |
| stdin | do you need doubles? rather than int's ? | 00:33 |
| * ryanakca shrugs and tries ints | 00:33 | |
| ryanakca | heh, I added to change them from 'double' to 'const int'... | 00:35 |
| stdin | if you're passing by reference, use const int& | 00:35 |
| ryanakca | s/int/int&/ :) | 00:36 |
| MaximLevitsky | Sorry to bother you, with trivial questions, but is this a good changelog entry : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54946/ | 00:36 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: you need -- Your name <youremail> date at the end | 00:37 |
| stdin | that's a bit verbose too | 00:37 |
| stdin | you're missing hardy; urgency=low after the version | 00:38 |
| mhb | hmm, I wonder whether you can pass a % b as a "const int &" | 00:38 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: you can change "Fixes <launchpadlink>" to "(LP: #bugid)" too, iirc | 00:38 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thanks a lot | 00:38 |
| mhb | you know, you call there a gcd(b, a % b) ... is "a % b" an actual const int& ? | 00:38 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: and get rid of the "Thanks to <foo> for reporting this", if people are interested, they can probably look at the bug repord... | 00:38 |
| * mhb shrugs | 00:38 | |
| MaximLevitsky | Btw, can changelog entries be autogenerated, like those small things | 00:39 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: in my most humble opinion | 00:39 |
| ryanakca | look at dch | 00:39 |
| stdin | something like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54947/ | 00:40 |
| MaximLevitsky | ryanakca, thanks a lot, I just don't like t to take a credit for bug that wasn't fixed by me, but ok I remove the thanks line | 00:40 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thanks a lot | 00:41 |
| ryanakca | see this too, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog :) | 00:41 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: well, its just my most humble opinion, disregard and check with MOTUs if you want to keep it... | 00:42 |
| * ryanakca tries to find that debian changelog style guide | 00:42 | |
| * DaSkreech heads home | 00:54 | |
| MaximLevitsky | stdin, now I get this : | 00:55 |
| MaximLevitsky | gpg: skipped "Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>": secret key not availablegpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available | 00:55 |
| stdin | doesn't really matter if you're just making a debdiff | 00:55 |
| MaximLevitsky | Great, I don't yet have a digital signature | 00:56 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: have you created your key yet? | 00:56 |
| MaximLevitsky | No | 00:56 |
| MaximLevitsky | I am just a ordinary user, I fix few bugs | 00:57 |
| MaximLevitsky | I even fixed few bugs in likux kernel | 00:57 |
| MaximLevitsky | likux/linux | 00:57 |
| ryanakca | then you'll want to create one :) | 00:58 |
| ryanakca | !gpg | MaximLevitsky | 00:58 |
| ubotu | MaximLevitsky: gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts | 00:58 |
| MaximLevitsky | I know about it, but I suppose I need to publish a key somehow, right? | 00:59 |
| MaximLevitsky | I played with it few times | 00:59 |
| stdin | you just upload it to keyserver.ubuntu.com | 00:59 |
| ryanakca | well, generate the key, then upload it to a keyserver | 00:59 |
| stdin | it'll propagate through all the other servers then | 01:00 |
| MaximLevitsky | When I need, I will do that, thanks | 01:00 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: if you want to upload a package to Ubuntu, you'll need to :) | 01:00 |
| MaximLevitsky | I am sendind just a debdiff | 01:01 |
| MaximLevitsky | sending | 01:01 |
| MaximLevitsky | ? | 01:01 |
| stdin | or if you want to use PPAs, those are good to show that your fix works | 01:01 |
| stdin | you don't need a gpg key just to attach a debdiff though | 01:01 |
| ryanakca | nope | 01:02 |
| MaximLevitsky | And I thought that bugfixing the kernel is hard... just send a patch to LKML... | 01:03 |
| MaximLevitsky | And git generales patches.... | 01:04 |
| MaximLevitsky | Done | 01:11 |
| MaximLevitsky | How does this look now | 01:11 |
| MaximLevitsky | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 | 01:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,New] | 01:11 |
| stdin | that's better | 01:16 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thanks everyone | 01:33 |
| MaximLevitsky | Goodbye | 01:33 |
| stdin | bye \o | 01:34 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thanks | 01:34 |
| david_edmundson | hey guys. Just read a blog post, by Richard Johnson, that said anyone wanting to help with Kubuntu should stop off here | 01:35 |
| david_edmundson | my exams finsihed as of 4:00, and now I've got plenty of time free and I want to hack on things! | 01:35 |
| david_edmundson | I can do C++ programming, I've been helping out on Dragonplayer doing tiny fixes, but that's kindof in a really dull feature freeze time. Anything I can help with? | 01:36 |
| ScottK | david_edmundson: Welcome. | 01:38 |
| ScottK | david_edmundson: Where are your interests? | 01:38 |
| david_edmundson | making KDE4 awesome | 01:39 |
| david_edmundson | adding tiny features/bug fixing to stuff is really where I'm probably best at | 01:40 |
| david_edmundson | rather than anything massive | 01:40 |
| ScottK | Are you running our KDE4 packages now? | 01:40 |
| ScottK | nixternal: ^^^ Someone wants to help... | 01:40 |
| david_edmundson | yeah, excpet kdemultimedia which is SVN for dragonplayer | 01:41 |
| ScottK | I've got to run for a little while. This is a quiet time of day here, but be patient and don't go away. | 01:41 |
| david_edmundson | okies | 01:41 |
| david_edmundson | when is busy time? | 01:41 |
| david_edmundson | it's about 1.30 AM here | 01:41 |
| ScottK | But if you want to dive in, find problems and propose patches, feel free. | 01:41 |
| david_edmundson | is there a "junior jobs" for KDE4? | 01:41 |
| ScottK | No need to ask permission. If you can figure a patch, someone here will help you package it. | 01:41 |
| ScottK | None of the KDE4 packagers are here right now (mostly they are in Europe). | 01:42 |
| ryanakca | Saturdays tend to be busier.. 7 - 17h00 EST (UTC-5) tend to be busier too | 01:42 |
| david_edmundson | ok, I just don't want to repeat other peoples work, and having to join a billion mailing lists and IRC channels for each project will get tiresome | 01:42 |
| ScottK | Right. | 01:42 |
| david_edmundson | okies | 01:42 |
| ScottK | Feel free to either wait for direction or pick out something that's bugging you. | 01:43 |
| david_edmundson | ok will do. | 01:43 |
| Hobbsee | BOO! | 01:43 |
| ryanakca | Hey Hobbsee :) | 01:43 |
| ryanakca | david_edmundson: you could look on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging if you want to find something to package.. | 01:44 |
| * ryanakca => bed :) | 01:44 | |
| * Hobbsee attacks nixternal with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ | 01:44 | |
| Hobbsee | oh goody, kde 4.0.1 is on the mirror | 01:44 |
| ryanakca | oh, there's a 4.0.1 already? *has been falling behind* | 01:45 |
| ScottK | david_edmundson: Or look on launchpad for bugs other people have reported. Since you are a C++ programer, it's probably better you focus on figuring patches and let those of us who package ,package them for you. | 01:45 |
| david_edmundson | ok, shall I patch directly into KDE's svn? | 01:46 |
| david_edmundson | or through launchpad | 01:46 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK2: why? if ti didn't change any existing functions at all, just added more? | 01:46 |
| ScottK | david_edmundson: Depends on what it is. If it's a big impact patch, I think we'd like it here to get it out. | 01:46 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Gotta run. Back later. | 01:47 |
| david_edmundson | ta ScottK bye | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK2: for debian, i think you want dch -Ui | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger_: no, they can't blacklist. they can't even cancel builds | 01:47 |
| dasKreech | hi Hobbsee | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK2: now the stick *does* know about KDE4, and has used it. you can't stand in for it. | 02:00 |
| dasKreech | Hobbsee: Aww he makes a decent beating stick | 02:01 |
| * Hobbsee beats dasKreech | 02:03 | |
| * dasKreech eeps | 02:03 | |
| dasKreech | Wat haz I do ? | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | dasKreech: i'm proving that The Stick is better for beating. and you didn't fix all the kde4 bugs. | 02:04 |
| dasKreech | No one fixes all the KDE bugs | 02:05 |
| dasKreech | it's a thin excuse we use to fly around to drinking part^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H KDE Gatherings | 02:06 |
| * dasKreech would much rather be poked and prodded by Hobbsee than KDE.* | 02:08 | |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I'll gladly step back. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | or you can jus tborrow the stick | 02:41 |
| ScottK | K. I'll remember that. | 02:41 |
| ScottK | BTW, my thing about dch is I think modifying our tools to support 3rd party repositories is a big deal that should have been discussed. | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | this is true, but PPA's are kinda different | 02:42 |
| ScottK | They are part of LP, but not part of *buntu | 02:43 |
| ScottK | I also think that if we are going to support it, we ought to have some discussion about what the rules should be for versioning, naming, etc. | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | well, feel free to put up a discussion at ubuntu-devel@l.u.c if you like | 02:44 |
| ScottK | I will, but probably not today. It'd have been nicer to do it before, but better late than never. | 02:46 |
| jjesse | including in the Home directory the folders Documents, Videos, Music , etc is part of what again? | 02:53 |
| jjesse | also do you conside the different parts of the application launcher as tabs? i.e. Favorites, Applications, Computer, etc... | 02:58 |
| * lontra wonders if guidance-powermanager will be updated to new oxygen theme | 03:18 | |
| nixternal | hola | 03:28 |
| jjesse | hola | 03:28 |
| jjesse | did you vote today? | 03:28 |
| vorian | w00t nixternal | 03:28 |
| nixternal | ya, I voted at 4, ran the polls until 6, then went to school | 03:29 |
| nixternal | jsut got home | 03:29 |
| vorian | nixternal: did you Barak the vote :) | 03:29 |
| nixternal | HELL NO | 03:29 |
| vorian | lol | 03:29 |
| vorian | Romney right? | 03:29 |
| nixternal | HELL NO again :) | 03:29 |
| jjesse | i wrote bush in for my vote | 03:30 |
| nixternal | if I was a millionaire, then I would have voted for Romney | 03:30 |
| nixternal | I am surprised by Hucklebee actually | 03:30 |
| vorian | I hate the Huckster | 03:30 |
| nixternal | I thought everyone did as well | 03:30 |
| vorian | he's nothing but a spoiler | 03:31 |
| vorian | and a religious Bigot | 03:31 |
| nixternal | with many skeletons in his closet | 03:31 |
| vorian | yes | 03:31 |
| dasKreech | ooooh Klosets! | 03:31 |
| vorian | and the other half of his body | 03:31 |
| nixternal | kennedy type skeletons | 03:31 |
| jjesse | according to cnn's tracker barak is doing well | 03:31 |
| nixternal | ya, but hillary will eventually chew him up and spit him out | 03:31 |
| vorian | or kill him | 03:32 |
| nixternal | hrmm, kde4-style-bespin was rejected, and smarter isn't here | 03:32 |
| vorian | nixternal: I got the upstream to fix the COPYING file for lemon | 03:33 |
| vorian | It has all 3 licences now | 03:33 |
| jjesse | saw that obama has 10 states vs. 6 for clinton, Hucakbee 6 states, Romney 3 states, McCain 6 states | 03:34 |
| nixternal | ya, but clinton has the big states, though obama gained 80+ delegates I think | 03:35 |
| nixternal | it will be close | 03:35 |
| vorian | if Romney is out, I'm going to Barak the vote | 03:35 |
| jjesse | don't blame me i voted for paul | 03:35 |
| vorian | we don't vote until March 4 | 03:35 |
| vorian | but shoot, we could be in ww3 by then | 03:36 |
| jjesse | michgian's delegates don't count as the state moved things up and the parties decided not to count our delgates | 03:36 |
| jjesse | why ww3? | 03:36 |
| vorian | its the only way bush can stay president :P | 03:36 |
| vorian | (unseen winks an nods) | 03:37 |
| jjesse | hrmm will locking the deskopt in KDE4 be fixed before release of 8.04? | 03:38 |
| jjesse | i love working with large documents and tracking changes | 03:40 |
| jjesse | makes it easy to read | 03:40 |
| jjesse | krunner is what is displayed when you alt+f2 correct? | 03:43 |
| nixternal | jjesse: I see you are working on the book tonight :) | 03:43 |
| jjesse | yes i am | 03:43 |
| nixternal | the Edubuntu chapter is not going to be fun | 03:43 |
| nixternal | there is a lot of work that I have to get done by next week | 03:44 |
| jjesse | i have a lot of work that needs to be done | 03:44 |
| nixternal | and there are still quite a few issues with Edubuntu and its future | 03:44 |
| nixternal | jjesse: correct | 03:44 |
| jjesse | i think i'm doing a KDE4 version for the book and then a kde 3 version linked off a web page | 03:44 |
| nixternal | krunner = alt+f2 | 03:44 |
| jjesse | the future of Edubuntu? i thought it was gaining a lot of traction? | 03:44 |
| nixternal | oh, it isn't going anywhere | 03:44 |
| === robotgee1 is now known as robotgeek | ||
| nixternal | it is just the way it will be made available | 03:45 |
| jjesse | oh | 03:45 |
| nixternal | w00t, there is the other Kubuntu document dude | 03:45 |
| jjesse | yeah? | 03:45 |
| nixternal | wasabi robotgeek | 03:45 |
| jjesse | hola robotgeek | 03:45 |
| robotgeek | hey nixternal, jjesse | 03:45 |
| nixternal | Edubuntu will supposedly be an addon CD for Ubuntu, LTSP is leaving the Edubuntu CD and going over to the Ubuntu Alternate CD | 03:45 |
| nixternal | stuff like that | 03:45 |
| robotgeek | just back from my trip from India. | 03:45 |
| nixternal | which, if you read the Edubuntu chapter, like 60% or more is LTSP | 03:46 |
| jjesse | ah | 03:46 |
| jjesse | interseting | 03:46 |
| nixternal | and after further discussions with the editor, I could tell they know absolutely nothing about *buntu :) | 03:46 |
| nixternal | robotgeek: how was the trip? | 03:46 |
| jjesse | you mean debra? | 03:47 |
| robotgeek | nixternal: short and hectic. looks like i am still jetlagged. i dozed off and woke up just now when a friend called | 03:47 |
| jjesse | seems pretty smart to me, she was at UDS Boston for 2 days | 03:47 |
| jjesse | i love how it seems in one version we go with Manage Packages (Adept Manager) and then in a different version we go with Adept (Manage Packages) | 03:47 |
| jjesse | makes things great | 03:48 |
| nixternal | ya, I want to doze off myself, I think we are supposed to have a MC meeting early in the morning | 03:48 |
| nixternal | and we are under a heavy snow warning right now | 03:48 |
| nixternal | 12+ inches | 03:48 |
| nixternal | yikes! | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | slacking off the MC already? :P | 03:48 |
| jjesse | 10 inches tonight | 03:48 |
| nixternal | if we get that amount of snow, then yes...I will have a ton of snow blowing to do | 03:48 |
| * jjesse has a plow guy | 03:49 | |
| nixternal | and my parents, no they can't have a normal driveway, they have a nice HUGE rounded driveway | 03:49 |
| nixternal | typically takes 4 hours with the snow blower with 3 to 4 inches of snow | 03:49 |
| nixternal | well, I had a plow for my truck that I kept in the UHaul storage, but someone broke into it a couple of months back and stole everything out of it | 03:50 |
| nixternal | ie. they stole my 486 that was running Debian Potato | 03:50 |
| jjesse | bummer | 03:50 |
| nixternal | that was my first computer to I ever bought in 1994 | 03:50 |
| nixternal | err | 03:50 |
| nixternal | 1992 | 03:50 |
| jjesse | can you still get updates for potato :) :) | 03:50 |
| nixternal | I have no idea | 03:50 |
| nixternal | I booted it up last summer to see what was on it | 03:50 |
| nixternal | a lot of Linux Documentation Project files | 03:51 |
| jjesse | in case anyone cares | 03:51 |
| jjesse | CLINTON: AR, MA, MO, NY, NJ, OK, TN | 03:51 |
| jjesse | OBAMA: AL, CT, DE, GA, ID, IL, KS, MN, ND, UT | 03:51 |
| jjesse | HUCKABEE: AL, AR, GA, MO, TN | 03:51 |
| jjesse | MCCAIN: AZ, CT, DE, IL, NJ, NY, OK | 03:51 |
| jjesse | ROMNEY: MA, ND, UT | 03:51 |
| nixternal | heh, I grabbed the Republican ballot, and 2 of my friends from high school were on it running for some local board stuff | 03:52 |
| dasKreech | nixternal: mail me some edubuntu docs if you want me to proof read. I haven't been keeping up with edubuntu it seems | 03:53 |
| nixternal | hey, someone had a good idea for the wallpaper... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals <-- Riddell - the Elephant Blue ones, I use them on my desktop and it does look really sharp, though I change up the super bright kicker | 03:53 |
| nixternal | dasKreech: I need to write something first :) | 03:54 |
| nixternal | right now I just went through and did s/10/9/ | 03:54 |
| jjesse | that elephant blue one is cool | 03:54 |
| nixternal | I have to go to the book store tomorrow and read through the chapter making sure the screenshots can stay or go | 03:54 |
| nixternal | jjesse: ya, it looks really good too | 03:54 |
| jjesse | grin you don't ahve a copy of the latest version? | 03:54 |
| nixternal | it totally fits the *buntu as well | 03:54 |
| nixternal | jjesse: no, I gave mine away at the gutsy release event | 03:55 |
| jjesse | btw debra said that currently the official bubuntu book is the most popular selling linux book out there | 03:55 |
| nixternal | you want to hear something funny about that jjesse? | 03:55 |
| jjesse | sure | 03:55 |
| nixternal | the guy who wanted the book just for the Kubuntu chapter, so I think Eddie told him I was Jonathan Jesse, so I signed it as you :p | 03:55 |
| jjesse | ha that's awesome | 03:55 |
| jjesse | my co-workers give me crap about the book all the time | 03:56 |
| jjesse | they make me sign there copies | 03:56 |
| nixternal | haha, that rocks | 03:56 |
| nixternal | netsplit on oftc just filled up my screen | 03:56 |
| jjesse | hrm now on to the part about upgrading between gutsy w/ kde4 to hardy w/ kde4 | 03:59 |
| nixternal | sudo apt-get dist-upgrage :p | 03:59 |
| jjesse | will update_notifier still let you knwo htere is a new version upon release date? | 03:59 |
| nixternal | I have updated like that since Dapper and have yet to hit a snag | 03:59 |
| nixternal | although I do it from Stable -> Unstable...Stable -> Unstable....Stable...you get the idea :) | 03:59 |
| jjesse | update_notifier and adept_updater bombed on the feisty -> gutsy release | 03:59 |
| nixternal | have no clue on that yet | 04:00 |
| nixternal | for KDE 3 I am sure...for KDE 4 don't count on it, but don't count it out either | 04:00 |
| nixternal | only doing KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 4 -> KDE 4 for Hardy, don't think we will attempt KDE 3 -> KDE 4 just yet | 04:00 |
| nixternal | isn't necessary anyways until Hardy+1 | 04:00 |
| jjesse | that's what Riddell told me, no kde 3 to kde 4 automagic update | 04:01 |
| jjesse | awesome, complete re write of system settings sectin, inlcuding how to manage users requires system settings kde3 | 04:01 |
| jjesse | schweet | 04:01 |
| nixternal | dude, you have it easy, at least you know 100% what you are writing about and at least 75% of what to expect | 04:03 |
| nixternal | I know about 75% of what I am writing about and about 10% of what to expect | 04:03 |
| nixternal | hell, the devs only know 15% of what to expect :p | 04:03 |
| dasKreech | nixternal: no I mean any links to discussions the edubuntu guys had or release notes or something | 04:08 |
| nixternal | #ubuntu-meeting is about it | 04:10 |
| dasKreech | The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. | 04:20 |
| vorian | :P | 04:21 |
| ScottK | dasKreech: Sure. It totally sucks. It's just better than the other choices. | 04:22 |
| nixternal | man, it is so nice having my guilty pleasure of flash and youtube back in konqi | 04:22 |
| nixternal | that means I don't have to boot up windows anymore when someone gives me a flash link | 04:23 |
| dasKreech | ScottK: Well done :) | 04:23 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Remember our fun with scribus the other day? | 04:39 |
| ScottK | How come patching the upstream.desktop 'fixed' your icon problem when scribus.install installs the one in the debian directory? | 04:40 |
| ScottK | And the problem wasn't your imagination because someone else had filed a bug on it. | 04:40 |
| ScottK | dasKreech: I can paraphrase Winston Churchill with the best of them. | 04:48 |
| dasKreech | ScottK: ) I don't count as the best so don't do it with me you'll dull yourself | 04:49 |
| ScottK | What would you say's the best then? | 04:50 |
| dasKreech | !info elisa hardy | 04:50 |
| ubotu | elisa (source: elisa): media center solution. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1 (hardy), package size 10786 kB, installed size 17160 kB | 04:50 |
| dasKreech | ScottK: now I'm confused :) what? | 04:50 |
| dasKreech | !info kde4-core hardy | 04:50 |
| ubotu | kde4-core (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 core modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB | 04:50 |
| dasKreech | Oh sweet it indexs ppas as well | 04:51 |
| ScottK | You said The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. | 04:51 |
| ScottK | Then I said it sucks but it's better than all the others | 04:51 |
| dasKreech | Right and you picked up the winston churchill and gave me back one | 04:51 |
| ScottK | Then I said I could paraphrase W.C. | 04:51 |
| dasKreech | with the best of them | 04:51 |
| ScottK | Ah. I see now. | 04:52 |
| dasKreech | I'm not amongst the best of them so I'm not going to start a quote war | 04:52 |
| dasKreech | Now with out heavy wikiquote help :) | 04:52 |
| nixternal | ScottK: hahah, scribus was a pita | 04:52 |
| * ScottK gets it now.... | 04:52 | |
| === uga is now known as uga|away | ||
| dasKreech | I wonder if sabdfl is on Wikiquote yet | 04:52 |
| nixternal | does that quote have anything to do with this picture -> http://static.kdenews.org/jr/mark-shuttleworth-linuxtag.jpg :p | 05:01 |
| * Jucato silently mumbles as nixternal ruined his day with that pic... | 05:38 | |
| nixternal | why? | 05:38 |
| nixternal | looks sweet doesn't it? :) | 05:38 |
| Jucato | pfft :P | 05:38 |
| nixternal | or because I didn't sell you out on your fluffy bunny theme :p | 05:38 |
| Jucato | hahah no that pic above ^^ :) | 05:39 |
| Jucato | (the chicago skyline wallpaper is purty...) | 05:39 |
| Jucato | nixternal: as for black and white oxygen icons, I'm not sure, is there still an Advanced tab in the Icons module in System Settings 4? | 05:40 |
| * nixternal looks | 05:41 | |
| Jucato | there's a "To Gray" effect | 05:41 |
| Jucato | if it's still there in KDE 4 | 05:41 |
| nixternal | yes there is | 05:41 |
| nixternal | just set everything to gray? | 05:42 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:42 |
| Jucato | :D | 05:42 |
| nixternal | damn, I might have to give that a shot | 05:42 |
| nixternal | I would have some al capone like kde 4 going on | 05:42 |
| Jucato | lol :) | 05:42 |
| Jucato | hm... we still need the PPA in hardy to install 4.0.1 right? | 05:43 |
| mi | where can i found widget for weather in kde4? | 05:44 |
| Jucato | should be in the extragear plasma package if I'm not mistaken (which I usually am...) | 05:46 |
| mi | no in extragear | 05:47 |
| apachelogger_ | Hobbsee: needs improvement then, I guess :) | 05:48 |
| * apachelogger_ heads off to school | 05:48 | |
| Jucato | hm.... using Code::Blocks to create Qt4 apps... I just find that ironic :) | 05:50 |
| Jucato | mi: not in extragear-plasma? try plasma-playground | 05:51 |
| Jucato | where's the most up to date (but hopefully still accurate) packaging guide? still the wiki? | 05:53 |
| nixternal | k'nite! | 06:03 |
| dasKreech | night | 06:03 |
| Jucato | good night nixternal! | 06:03 |
| Jucato | (you're early tonight) | 06:03 |
| mi | plasma-playground can't be install because kde4base | 06:16 |
| ScottK2 | What's the error? | 06:17 |
| mi | version 3.94.0 | 06:17 |
| ScottK2 | That's a version number, not an error. If that's what you have, I think (I'm not sure) you have to uninstall the pre-4.0 packages and then install 4.0 or 4.0.1. | 06:18 |
| ScottK2 | Jucato: Do you know? | 06:18 |
| Jucato | mi: you're apparently installing one of the alpha/beta versions of KDE 4 | 06:19 |
| mi | no i install clean kde4 and update in 4.0.1 | 06:19 |
| ScottK2 | Where does 3.94.0 come from then. | 06:20 |
| mi | in synaptic say 0ubuntu1 | 06:21 |
| Jucato | ah yeah... I think plasma-playground has a wrong/bad dependency.... | 06:21 |
| mi | yes that is right | 06:22 |
| Jucato | well I'm not really sure where the weather plasmoid is right now, so if it isn't in extragear-plasma... | 06:22 |
| mi | lol never mind | 06:22 |
| Jucato | my guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated... | 06:24 |
| ScottK2 | mi: Are you on Hardy or using the Gutsy PPA? | 06:24 |
| mi | in extragear i can't find then must be in playground then | 06:24 |
| mi | ScottK2: yes | 06:25 |
| mi | gutsy sorry | 06:25 |
| mi | but in second pc i have hardy | 06:25 |
| ScottK2 | OK. | 06:25 |
| ScottK2 | But the problem is in the gutsy ppa? | 06:26 |
| mi | yes | 06:26 |
| ScottK2 | I don't think I can upload to that one. Sorry. | 06:29 |
| mi | ; | 06:29 |
| mi | i just try 2 install playground in hardy same thing kde4base is not be install :( | 06:32 |
| Jucato | my guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated... | 06:32 |
| mi | ok ...i use karamba then | 06:33 |
| mi | alpha4 realy look good | 07:21 |
| santiago-ve | heh... i still cant make my wifi work in alpha4 | 07:37 |
| mi | lol | 07:38 |
| santiago-ve | besides that | 07:38 |
| santiago-ve | i'm happy with it :) | 07:39 |
| * santiago-ve is still running feisty as his main SO but has hardy for testing | 07:39 | |
| mi | hardy have X11-xcb files ...nice to see this | 07:41 |
| buz | is anyone else seeing kde3 systray icons show up anywhere but on the systray in 4.0.1? | 08:12 |
| Jucato | buz: the first time I ran it yeah. then I removed the system tray plasmoid, and readded it.. working ok then | 08:13 |
| Jucato | in fact, first time I ran it, even klipper4 was missing | 08:13 |
| buz | now that you say it... | 08:13 |
| * Jucato thinks he couldn't survive without klipper... | 08:14 | |
| buz | mhh that didnt really fix the issue | 08:14 |
| buz | now i dont see the icons anywhere... | 08:14 |
| Jucato | dunno. that fixed mine :) | 08:14 |
| Jucato | sure you removed the plasmoid? | 08:14 |
| buz | yes it was gone | 08:15 |
| buz | did you logout after that | 08:15 |
| Jucato | nope | 08:15 |
| Jucato | try adding the plasmoid to the desktop first. (hint, like in kde3, you can only have one system tray running it seems) | 08:15 |
| buz | now klipper shows up | 08:15 |
| buz | but not the kde3 things | 08:15 |
| buz | same on the desktop | 08:16 |
| Jucato | hm.. knetworkmanager showed up | 08:16 |
| buz | smb4k still floats around in the upper left corner | 08:16 |
| buz | i shall try restarting kde | 08:16 |
| buz | maybe kded is doing something weird | 08:17 |
| Tm_T | hi kids | 08:17 |
| Jucato | yo gramps! | 08:17 |
| buz | didnt help either | 08:18 |
| buz | oh great now amarok wont start | 08:22 |
| buz | there's something wrong with the kde3 session, when i kill klauncher and kded and restart kdeinit it seems to work again | 08:25 |
| buz | yeah definitely something about kde3 | 08:27 |
| buz | now everything behaves as it should | 08:27 |
| buz | oh another swiss :P | 08:27 |
| Jucato | hm.. swiss miss... | 08:27 |
| Jucato | heh sorry... totally unrelated | 08:28 |
| _StefanS_ | morning | 08:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: here's a screenshot with qtcurve enabled in kde4: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot5.png | 08:40 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger__: you there? | 08:40 |
| Jucato | qtcurve? | 08:41 |
| buz | did the 2 line taskbar not make it into 4.0.1? | 08:41 |
| Jucato | hi _StefanS_! | 08:41 |
| Jucato | nope | 08:41 |
| buz | too bad | 08:41 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Jucato | 08:41 |
| Jucato | afaik it's either only in trunk or will be backported to 4.0.2... | 08:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: yep, craig drummond did a qtcurve style+windeco for kde4 | 08:41 |
| Jucato | oh... | 08:41 |
| Jucato | so we'll be using qtcurve for our kde4 apps? | 08:42 |
| Jucato | instead of oxygen? | 08:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well hopefully on kde3 first.. let me find some screenshots | 08:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot1.png | 08:43 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot3.png | 08:43 |
| Jucato | oh those I saw before. didn't know they'd be going into KDE 4 | 08:44 |
| * Jucato thought we were sticking to oxygen | 08:44 | |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well its only if people like it. | 08:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: its just my two cents | 08:44 |
| * _StefanS_ is not deciding anything | 08:45 | |
| Jucato | ah :) | 08:45 |
| Tm_T | anyone knows what mez wanted some days ago? | 08:45 |
| Jucato | still it's purty :) | 08:45 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: its supposed to be a subtle change | 08:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: but with some details, here's new wallpaper also: http://enhance-it.dk/Aquapattern_by_DJMattRicks2.png, it needs some adjustment, but I think it would be nice | 08:47 |
| buz | i like the current one better | 08:51 |
| buz | this is TOO dull | 08:51 |
| _StefanS_ | I think the fractals are depressing :) | 08:52 |
| _StefanS_ | and too much 1990's | 08:52 |
| iRon | _StefanS_: yeah.. i don't like it too :) | 08:52 |
| iRon | _StefanS_: i mean one with fractals | 08:53 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: yep I get it :) | 08:53 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: its too dark aswell.. | 08:53 |
| iRon | and as for me, qtcurve is much better then oxygen... but plastique is my best theme ;) | 08:53 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: plastique isnt avail in kde4, right? | 08:54 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: oh its is, I see now. | 08:54 |
| iRon | _StefanS_: plastique _only available_ on kde4 | 08:54 |
| iRon | plastique in kde4 is a bit different from plastik from kde3 | 08:54 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: I'm kinda confused, because plastik is the only one I have | 08:55 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: in kde4. | 08:55 |
| iRon | but qtcurve is nice.. and there is qtcurve-gtk | 08:56 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: oh hell, its the style you're talking about :) | 08:56 |
| _StefanS_ | iRon: found it. | 08:56 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| mi | after update 2 4.0.1 cpu temperature is ok now....38 | 09:05 |
| Jucato | Plastique is Qt's default style for Qt 4, inspired by KDE's Plastik of course :) | 09:05 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: that wallpaper's better than the fractal one I agree :) | 09:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: thank you :) | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: do you understand why icons cant be dragged from the kde4 desktop to, say dolphin ? | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: or is that feature still under development .. ? | 09:06 |
| Jucato | nope, but it works the other way around :) | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | err.. | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | heh. | 09:06 |
| Jucato | nope = I don't know :) | 09:06 |
| _StefanS_ | anyway I | 09:06 |
| Jucato | probably because once on the "desktop", they're no longer simply icons/files but plasmoids | 09:07 |
| Jucato | *maybe* | 09:07 |
| Jucato | anyway you | 09:07 |
| Jucato | :D | 09:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: spotted a problem in dolphin... we should enable the "Up" button default | 09:08 |
| Jucato | why? | 09:08 |
| Jucato | what's the problem? | 09:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: I did a ftp session to my server, and landed in /home/sfs.. but actually I needed to get to /storage, but the back button doesn't have that effect | 09:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: having the up button makes it work | 09:09 |
| Jucato | um that's the purpose of the breadcrumbs | 09:09 |
| Jucato | you click on the arrow or click and hold on the name to drop down a list of same-level folders | 09:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: yes, but that doesnt give me anything.. have you tried it ? | 09:10 |
| Jucato | let me verify. is /home and /storage on the same level? as in not /home/storage? | 09:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: there are no breadcrumbs, I can only select the kio | 09:10 |
| _StefanS_ | right. | 09:11 |
| _StefanS_ | .. /home/sfs, and I need to goto /storage instead. | 09:11 |
| Jucato | switch to breadcrumb (the yellow "undo" icon) | 09:11 |
| Jucato | hm... | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | yes?? :) | 09:13 |
| Jucato | I see what you mean :) | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | it cant show it, because it hasnt tried yet :) | 09:13 |
| _StefanS_ | heh | 09:13 |
| * Jucato didn't recall it being like this though | 09:13 | |
| Jucato | ah perhaps because of user@hostname... | 09:13 |
| Jucato | Alt+Up works... but yeah.. it's confuzzling... | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | yep, we need to fix that or else the kio stuff is useless in some regards | 09:15 |
| Jucato | oh well :/ | 09:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any idea how the .kde/env/* files parsing is done ? | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: gtk-qt-engine is broken on hardy due to the script in env folder not beeing executed.... | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: should be in startkde, afaicr, but the code seems missing in our current version | 09:28 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: does renaming .gtkrc-2.0-kde to .gtkrc-2.0 also fix it? | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | nope, since the standard gtk config is prior to this | 09:29 |
| Jucato | er.. ln -s I meant... | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: this is the reason for that script to exist :) it overrides gtk standard settings while in kde sessiobn | 09:29 |
| Jucato | oh | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: the point is that startkde script should have changed | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | # Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | # (where <localprefix> is $KDEHOME or ~/.kde, and <prefixes> is where KDE is installed) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | that part I'd say ;) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: manually executing the code works.........; weird....... | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: can you confirm that the env isn't the good for you too ? | 09:34 |
| Jucato | firefox is the only gtk app I have here... it looks ok... :/ | 09:35 |
| Jucato | although I don't even have a ~/.kde4/env/ :D | 09:35 |
| * Jucato goes in circles | 09:35 | |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: just run env | grep -i gtk | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | and paste the result here please ;) | 09:35 |
| Jucato | GTK2_RC_FILES=/home/jucato/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 | 09:36 |
| Jucato | GTK_RC_FILES=/home/jucato/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | hum, not kde3 btw ;) | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | but those values are good, right | 09:37 |
| Jucato | I'm on KDE 4 | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | someone here using kde3 please ? | 09:37 |
| Jucato | let me logout hahaha | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no way to test on kde3 hardy ? | 09:37 |
| Jucato | there's always a way :) | 09:37 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 09:37 |
| Jucato | but I try not to spend too much time on kde3... unless I change the wallpaper right now :P | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | GTK2_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/home/tonio/.gtkrc-2.0:/home/tonio/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0 | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | this is what I get, which is not good | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand what causes this.... | 09:39 |
| Jucato | hm... it's the same here | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 09:39 |
| Jucato | but firefox looks normal.. oh well :) | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | the strange thing is that executing the part of startkde code parsing env gives the good result : | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | % bash test | grep -i gtk [0.08 0.15 - 25% 0%] | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | GTK2_RC_FILES=/home/tonio/.gtkrc-2.0-kde | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | weird isn't it ? | 09:40 |
| Jucato | O.o | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | I just copied a part of the startkde script in the test file | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: found the fix :) | 09:59 |
| Jucato | yay! :) | 09:59 |
| Jucato | what was it? | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | for file in "$prefix"/*.sh; do | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | works | 10:00 |
| Jucato | O.o | 10:00 |
| Jucato | that simple? | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | not that simple since due to the previous line : for prefix in `echo "$exepath" | sed -n -e 's,/bin[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | there should have been a / | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | I'm investigating this | 10:01 |
| Jucato | oh | 10:01 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no way............ | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: it fixes the bug bug I can't seem to understand why that fails in the first attempt....... all values are correct and all variables are valid.... | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | when prefix is /home/tonio/.kde/env//gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh -> works | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | when prefix is /home/tonio/.kde/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh > fails | 10:06 |
| Jucato | don't you just hate when that happens? things get fixed without you knowing how :/ | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | yep ;) | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: the line failing is test -r "$file" && . "$file" | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | now I have to figure out why ;) | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | I don't want to workarround without understanding | 10:09 |
| * Jucato nods | 10:09 | |
| Jucato | does it fail at test -r or at .? | 10:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: sorry I logged off, and forgot to start konversation again | 10:21 |
| Jucato | it's ok. I didn't say anything much :P | 10:21 |
| Jucato | what was that quick and dirty way to make a .deb? debuild -something? | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: just debuild | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: or do you mean checkinstall? | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: it makes some generic debs | 10:22 |
| Jucato | debuild -S? or that makes a .dsc? | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: it makes a dsc.. I was told yesterday to use debuild -S -sa .. donno what it means | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: the -sa switch I mean | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ping? | 10:23 |
| Jucato | ah ok :) | 10:23 |
| Jucato | I could have sworn you teached me something before :) | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: I believe we should fix that Up thingy | 10:23 |
| Jucato | taught * | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: ah yep, it was something that Riddell told me | 10:24 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: without any fix from upstream, I guess it's the best thing we could do in the situation (adding the Up button...) | 10:24 |
| Jucato | without any patching I mean :) | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: I agree | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: could you check if dolphin in kde3 suffers the same issue? | 10:25 |
| _StefanS_ | I uninstalled mine :) | 10:25 |
| Jucato | hahah I'm actually doing that now :) | 10:25 |
| Jucato | are you spying on me? :D | 10:25 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: look up and to the right in your room. You'll see a small hole in the wall. There I am, staring at you. | 10:26 |
| Jucato | there are lots of holes O.o | 10:26 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: hi | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: we've been discussing the missing Up button in dolphin under kde4. Without it you cant do a ftp session, and go one directory up | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: for instance, I log in to /home/sfs, and need to go to /storage | 10:28 |
| apache|mobile | only show tasks on desktop: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot85.png - multirow tasks: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot86.png | 10:28 |
| * apache|mobile is smiling | 10:28 | |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: I think this is one instance where D3lphin somehow beats Dolphin... :) | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: but because I havent visited the /root folder I havent got that list in the breadcrumb. | 10:28 |
| Riddell | yes you can, you just click on the directory name in the address bar | 10:28 |
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| hads | The up button is the first thing I added :) | 10:29 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: wasn't that what you tried ? | 10:29 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_ | 10:29 |
| Jucato | Riddell: not the same with remote locations. only applicable in local directories | 10:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: spot on. | 10:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: fancy trying to help me understanding the most stupid bug ever ? | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | that's AMAZING | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yessir. | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: shoot | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: try doing a ftp session, my vsftp puts me in the home directory first, and therefore dolphin has no idea that other directories exist. | 10:31 |
| Riddell | works for me http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/dolphin.png | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that code fails : http://paste.toniox.org/2794 | 10:31 |
| Jucato | wb Tonio_ | 10:31 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: I don't see how an up button would fix that | 10:32 |
| Riddell | apache|mobile: nifty | 10:32 |
| Jucato | not like that. let me upload screenies :) | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have the weirdest shellscript bug in front of my eyes now :), concerning startkde | 10:32 |
| Riddell | apache|mobile: did you upload a fix to the konqueror embedded issue? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ug, shell | 10:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: look at what Jucato uploads.. its different situation | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: http://paste.toniox.org/2795 that one works | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | I just changed the place / is | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: weirdest is that http://paste.toniox.org/2796 works too | 10:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so whats the purpose of the script ? | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | parsing .kde/env | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: but purpose isn't important | 10:34 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: http://jucato.org/kde/img/d3lphin-wins.png | 10:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'll try | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | what I done't understand is what can cause the script to fail | 10:34 |
| Jucato | http://jucato.org/kde/img/dolphin-loses.png (what's to click?) | 10:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ^ | 10:34 |
| apache|mobile | Riddell: yes, now I'm totally tired because I had to work until 1am ;-) | 10:34 |
| apache|mobile | Riddell: but it wil probably not fix the issue for KDE 3 | 10:34 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: did I get you correctly? | 10:34 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: yep | 10:34 |
| apache|mobile | Riddell: so we need to sort the issue in the KDE mimetype IMO | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: to make it simple, startkde kde3 fails to parse .kde/env | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that the test is done that way : | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for prefix in `echo "$exepath" | sed -n -e 's,/bin[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | then for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do | 10:35 |
| Jucato | haha I bet Riddell's seeing red or yellow :) | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | and then the script is tested : test -r "$file" && "$file" | 10:35 |
| Jucato | the man of the hour :P | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it fails | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if I change the sed line changing /env/ by /env | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | and then test for "$prefix"/*.sh instead, it works | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I need some data in those variables to understand that script and what the output is | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: believe me, all the variables never change in the output | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | is the 3 exemples, all variables are the same, but the test fails | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | fails in the second case......... | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | I thought about chars encoding, but no, that's not the problem | 10:38 |
| mi | why compiz don't have decoration in kde4 ... i mean kde decoration is kde3? | 10:38 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: re starting line 198 of /usr/bin/startkde | 10:38 |
| mi | compiz core from git have kde4 decoration | 10:38 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well make sure you enclose the variables in "" and those that are in the lines with other stuff, make them ${var} instead to be sure gets them | 10:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's probably just dash. feel free to fix | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | I have never seen such a stupid bug | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the test fails when / is written by sed and the variable name is quoted | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: otherwise it works..... | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's just so stupid | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can patch, of course, but I would have like to understand | 10:39 |
| Riddell | well it is shell.. | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: patching kdebase now...... | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: good explanation ;) | 10:40 |
| _StefanS_ | I still dont get it, but who cares :D | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well with the same variable name, when the ending "/" is written by sed, and the variable is quoted, the file is not found | 10:40 |
| Jucato | Tonio_ cares :) | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: don't quote in the "test -r" line -> works | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: get "/" written not by sed, it works | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | ok then, good. | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | that reminds me of the time working on windows | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | well shouldn't / be escaped? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | Jucato: seems like a bug that can be fixed | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | when you had to learn things without any explanation........ frustrating :) | 10:41 |
| Jucato | Riddell: the Dolphin one? | 10:41 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes | 10:41 |
| Jucato | oooh interesting :) | 10:42 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: ^^ :) | 10:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: should we pick the sources or add an up button ? :) | 10:42 |
| _StefanS_ | be back in 15mins | 10:43 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: I'd rather not add another UI feature for such a corner case | 10:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ok, I will look at the sources | 10:50 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger__: good work on the packages :) | 10:50 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: or we can file a bug report and let ppenz do the dirty work for us :D | 10:51 |
| Jucato | (of course then we'd have to wait for the next release...) | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: http://paste.toniox.org/2797 | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: by far the most stupid patch I ever wrote :) | 10:51 |
| Jucato | that sure beats my 1 line/word patch :D | 10:52 |
| Jucato | Tonio_ ftw! :D | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | whatever works :) | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: did you see my qtcurve attempts for kde3? | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: nope ;) | 10:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: because I wanted your opinion on kicker coloring (or not) | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: does it works well ? | 10:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: indeed. | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | interesting | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: but that require people using both gnome and kde to use qtcurve right ? | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: so they can't have a different gnome apps theme in gnome and kde I imagin ? | 10:54 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes, you can still select which engine to use for gtk | 10:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: but we should ofcourse test that | 10:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: lemme find some screenies | 10:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ftp://ftp.enhance-it.dk/snapshot3.png, ftp://ftp.enhance-it.dk/snapshot4.png | 10:55 |
| gribelu | i've been using qtcurve for months before i switched to kde4 .. works fine, looks fine | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yes but is there a way with it that the gtk theme is different in a gnome session and in a kde session for gtk apps ? | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: afaicr, that's not possible | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I wouldn't like that installing kubuntu-desktop on a gnome machine changes the preferences of the user | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the big advantage of gtk_qt_engine is that you keep your gtk settings for gnome or xfce, but have specific gtk settings in a kde session | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | without any change in the gnome config | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdebase uploaded, gtk-qt-engine and ssh-agent should now work | 11:05 |
| Riddell | yay | 11:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok, I we'll have to test that it. | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | err | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | test it. | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any plan to get the -devel guys to give attention to kde by the end of the dev cycle ? cause I feel a bit alone on the kde3 side I must say :) | 11:11 |
| * _StefanS_ hugs Tonio_ ... there.. there. | 11:11 | |
| Tonio_ | I am not physically and technically able to handle this alone, and we shouldn't forget that the global kubuntu users will not use kde4 for hardy | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep, you're in I'm not all alone, true ;) | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hehe | 11:12 |
| iRon | I'm on kde3 too :) | 11:12 |
| * Jucato wonders what _StefanS_ meant... | 11:12 | |
| Tonio_ | so talk about what you do :) | 11:12 |
| Jucato | when I get back from church in about 1.5 hours... fixing some stuff in Adept... | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: that might just be an impression, but everyone only talk about kde4 problems and so on..... a lot is still to do on kde3 on the qa/bugfix side | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: but I'm pleased to know you'r in too :) | 11:13 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: they will realize the folly of their ways when Hardy's released.. and then they'll be whining about why KDE 3 was abandoned... | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: french ? | 11:14 |
| iRon | Tonio_: russian :) | 11:14 |
| Jucato | bug 162829 | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: okay, eugene is a typicall french name :) that's why I was asking | 11:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 162829 in adept "One button not translated to French" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162829 | 11:14 |
| Jucato | bug 155022 | 11:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 155022 in software-properties "bad encoding in adept's software sources dialog" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155022 | 11:14 |
| Jucato | there! | 11:14 |
| Jucato | I had those 2 in my list... waiting for French/Russian guinea pigs | 11:15 |
| Jucato | er... volunteers ;) | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: 162829 is supposed to be fixed | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: I fixed it | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but we need news langpacks | 11:15 |
| Jucato | :) | 11:15 |
| Jucato | cool :) | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | and we need the pot imported to rosetta, and the french team to translate etc...... no idea if that'll be done at time | 11:15 |
| Jucato | bug 152396 | 11:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 152396 in dpkg "[gutsy] adept installation progress report display incorrect message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152396 | 11:16 |
| Jucato | hm.. I know I listed a bug with adept batch + language selector somewhere... | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: see adept (2.1.3ubuntu19) changelog for details | 11:17 |
| Jucato | thanks I'll check | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: you can also of course close the bug :) | 11:17 |
| Jucato | gah! why am I looking at debian/patches!!! | 11:18 |
| Jucato | ah kool saw it. kubuntu_28_fix_updater_makefile_for_translation.diff? :D | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: that one was hard to fix I must say, I spent something like 2 days on it :) | 11:19 |
| * Jucato is lucky to not need localization :) | 11:20 | |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: that's THE big problem | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | most distro devs don't use a localized distro, and therefore miss all translation related bugs | 11:21 |
| * Jucato nods | 11:21 | |
| Tonio_ | that's one of the reasons I force myself to use a french kubuntu | 11:21 |
| Jucato | well the reason that I don't need a localized version is because there is none :) | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | I used an english one in the past but stopped | 11:21 |
| Jucato | our "national" language is English :) | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: then sources should use an unused lang, like esperanto :) | 11:22 |
| Jucato | hahah :) | 11:22 |
| Jucato | Latin ftw!! :P | 11:22 |
| Jucato | anyway, I'm gone. catch you later. I have 2 questions for you :P | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | ah ? | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | oki I'll be arround :) | 11:22 |
| Jucato | well don't force yourself if you need to go :P | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | I don't :) | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | BOO! | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | now, what's a decent kde4 theme? | 11:38 |
| Riddell | any more suggestions for topics at UDS? | 11:40 |
| iRon | Riddell: PolicyKit integration? :) | 11:41 |
| Riddell | iRon: want to come and lead that? | 11:41 |
| iRon | Riddell: I couldn't :( | 11:42 |
| Riddell | iRon: aww, why not? | 11:42 |
| iRon | Riddell: I don't know english well :) | 11:42 |
| Riddell | could have fooled me | 11:42 |
| iRon | Riddell: and my sallary is too small to come to USD :) | 11:42 |
| Riddell | iRon: we can pay expenses | 11:42 |
| iRon | Riddell: not realy, my english is too bad | 11:43 |
| iRon | I could write and read.. but speak... | 11:43 |
| Riddell | well we're geeks, even when at a conference we still use irc :) | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: my english is far from beeing perfect, and I never had any problem at UDS | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | iRon: you have lots of people speaking with different accent and that's perfectly fine :) and as Riddell said, lots of things are done over irc anyway | 11:46 |
| Riddell | or gobby | 11:48 |
| Tonio_ | also yes | 11:49 |
| * Hobbsee swaps over to kde4, now that the 4.0.1 is installed | 11:49 | |
| * Tonio_ tests kde4 to check if the "no effects with ati" bug was resolved | 11:50 | |
| Hobbsee | ouch. it's not all installed. | 11:50 |
| * jussi01 cries cause kde4 still doesnt work properly for him | 11:51 | |
| gribelu | umm.. i'm trying to hack something from KDE4 trunk into the current kdebase-workspace package but i'm kind of retarted when it comes to compiling. Is there any way to kind of 'resume' compiling a package where previously an error ocurred? | 12:09 |
| Tonio_ | hum no change on my side | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | the only way to get effects is xrendr, but that's slow and unstable | 12:10 |
| smarter | gribelu: debian/rules build && debian/rules binary? | 12:11 |
| gribelu | smarter: i don't know what that means? (told you i was retarded) .. I apt-get sourced the package, patched what i needed and now i'm running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b | 12:14 |
| smarter | gribelu: instead of doing dpkg-buildpackage, do debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary | 12:14 |
| gribelu | aah | 12:14 |
| gribelu | ok i shall try that | 12:14 |
| smarter | so the previous build will not be removed(debian/rules clean) | 12:15 |
| smarter | dpkg-buildpackage is just a wrapper around various debian/rules commands | 12:15 |
| * _StefanS_ starts kde4.. | 12:15 | |
| Riddell | gribelu: or add -nc (for no clean) | 12:16 |
| * _StefanS_ never fails to be impressed with the intel integrated graphics... why isn't alle nvidia/ati like this.. | 12:17 | |
| _StefanS_ | alle/all | 12:17 |
| gribelu | thanks for the tips. I'm trying to get the latest changes in the plasma panel to make it resizeable and multi-row ... resizing works great by just replacing panel.cpp and panel.h from trunk but multi-row and making the clock/tasks behave is harder | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | ah, yay, kde4 again | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: why in particular? | 12:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: well effects just works, and they | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: are actually pretty fast. | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | now, if i kill kdesktop, does hte world end? | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: "just works" kinda .. | 12:18 |
| gribelu | xrandr is waaay faster than opengl for me on an nvidia 6xxx | 12:18 |
| Hobbsee | hrm. | 12:19 |
| gribelu | seems stable too | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | how's the best way to refresh the kde background? | 12:19 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger__: how dd you adjust the taskbar height? | 12:21 |
| _StefanS_ | dd/did | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | it's funny. gnome had nicer font rendering than kde, iirc. now kde's is far cleaner than gnome's | 12:24 |
| gribelu | _StefanS_: after i replaced the panel containment with the one from trunk there's even a UI to adjust the height and position (top, left etc) | 12:24 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: from rightclick on the taskbar? | 12:24 |
| gribelu | yes.. right click on the top border, the transparent one | 12:24 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: hmm well I thought we could do that now that 4.0.1 was available for hardy | 12:25 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: guess its part of 4.0.2 | 12:25 |
| gribelu | _StefanS_: no side-effects as far as i can tell.. but positioning the panel on left/right looks like crap because the applets don't know how to behave | 12:26 |
| gribelu | that's why i'm trying to hack the applets as well | 12:27 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: do you know of any changes to desktop icons? because they behave really wierd. Cant be dragged into dolphin and such | 12:28 |
| * _StefanS_ needs to shop for more hardware.. | 12:28 | |
| gribelu | i didn't get to the desktop yet .. not sure | 12:28 |
| _StefanS_ | oh i like that display in system settings | 12:29 |
| gribelu | _StefanS_: i actualy have a problem with desktop/panel icons since a few weeks ago. Icons don't respond to clicks so i can't launch anything | 12:30 |
| gribelu | AFAIK no on else has this problem .. might be some weird bug that got stuck in my ~/.kde4 somewhere | 12:31 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: it seems like that bug where the actions (resize/remove/properties) are now moved with the icons when you align horizontally | 12:31 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: they kept sticking around in the original places | 12:31 |
| gribelu | _StefanS_: no that's not it.. i can drag them etc.. i just can't launch the file/app/folder when i click/doubleclick | 12:32 |
| smarter | Riddell: I've fixed my bespin package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin | 12:32 |
| smarter | Riddell: the diff looks funny because I updated to the latest revision in svn | 12:32 |
| _StefanS_ | gribelu: I was just talking about another bug that sort of got to me :) | 12:33 |
| Riddell | smarter for the debian/copyright fix? | 12:33 |
| smarter | Riddell: yes | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: how's the best way to refresh the kde background? -> with kde3 : killall kdesktop && kdesktop | 12:34 |
| smarter | Riddell: I also fixed the location of the .themerc file | 12:34 |
| smarter | *I've | 12:34 |
| Riddell | smarter: poke someone into uploading and I can do the archive thing | 12:34 |
| smarter | Riddell: I'll try | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: no, kde4 | 12:36 |
| * Hobbsee ended up removing all the plasmoids by hand. ugh. | 12:36 | |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: well done - the qtcurve is looking nice! | 12:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: thanks :) we're still adjusting stuff, but I think most can accept it. Kwii is doing something to the buttons on the windows as well (adding a visible top like in previous versions) | 12:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: wow that bug on dolphin just got weirder :) | 12:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: If I log in without using sfs@ in front of the ftp hostname, and login using normal auth dialog I end up in /, if I then activate the url/path box, I end up in my home directory :) | 12:42 |
| _StefanS_ | whee | 12:42 |
| buz | i dont think its just dolphin | 12:56 |
| buz | sftp doesnt work in the open/save dialog either | 12:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: its a behavior thing inherited from kurlnavigator.. | 12:57 |
| _StefanS_ | buz: ^ | 12:57 |
| buz | yeah that exlpains it | 12:57 |
| _StefanS_ | dont think i want to be messing with that. | 12:57 |
| buz | was that around in 4.0? cant remember | 12:58 |
| _StefanS_ | donno | 12:58 |
| buz | konqueror in 4.0 was so broken i couldnt stand to use it for long | 12:58 |
| buz | and as for dolphin, well i dont think i'll ever care for it :P | 13:00 |
| * ryanakca yawns and looks at the Todo... snow day :D | 13:01 | |
| _StefanS_ | me too ;) | 13:01 |
| buz | to be fair, dolphin is not quite as bad as finder :P | 13:01 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 13:02 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: got any more issues we should look at? | 13:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: If I can understand them :D | 13:32 |
| Tonio_ | kdmtheme works ? | 13:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: oh my.. | 13:38 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: nope not really :) | 13:38 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: should it still support the debianized /etc/kdm.d/ ? | 13:39 |
| Tonio_ | I'd say yep | 13:40 |
| Tonio_ | as for gutsy | 13:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok then.. | 13:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I will just convert the patch I did initially.. I know I should've been done with it, but time just flies :) | 13:41 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: bah it isn't too late ;) | 13:42 |
| Trigger7 | gribelu: you can just take the patches from suse btw. they already backported the stuff | 13:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: btw, try enabling qtcurve style, and load this config: http://enhance-it.dk/kubuntu-new.qtcurve and use crystal as your deco with shadow text enabled. | 13:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: tell me what you think. | 13:42 |
| smarter | _StefanS_: I don't know if you're aware, but /etc/default/kdm.d has caused lots of problems: bug #132723 | 13:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723 | 13:45 |
| _StefanS_ | smarter: I am.. | 13:46 |
| _StefanS_ | smarter: but thanks for mentioning it | 13:46 |
| gribelu | Trigger7: i don't know much about opensuse.. could you point me to a page that discusses that | 13:46 |
| gribelu | ? | 13:46 |
| Trigger7 | gribelu: no page, just the src-rpm: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_10.3/src/kdebase4-workspace-4.0.1-22.2.src.rpm | 13:47 |
| Trigger7 | gribelu: you can unpack it and find the patches inside. "rpm2cpio kdebase4-workspace-4.0.1-22.2.src.rpm | cpio -vid" | 13:48 |
| Trigger7 | but just some of the patches are interesting for debian/ubuntu | 13:48 |
| gribelu | Trigger7: thanks, looking | 13:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Trigger7: what patches ? | 13:49 |
| Trigger7 | they backported the panel stuff and some more things. namely revisions 770004 769905 769216 769219 769231 769232 769236 769243 769261 769263 769276 769494 769229 | 13:51 |
| Trigger7 | and made a branch pull to r770902 | 13:51 |
| _StefanS_ | Trigger7: oh that sounds nice | 13:51 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger__: did you hear that? ^ | 13:52 |
| _StefanS_ | or read it rather ;) | 13:52 |
| seele | what does the kubuntu logo next to the package name in adept mean? | 13:52 |
| Trigger7 | didn't test it yet. no time so far. but i plan to integrate them into the debian packages sooner or later. at least if the rest of the debian team agrees | 13:52 |
| _StefanS_ | seele: if its supported officially | 13:52 |
| Riddell | seele: that it's in main "supported" | 13:52 |
| _StefanS_ | touché | 13:52 |
| seele | ok.. is it possible to add a tooltip to the icon? | 13:53 |
| _StefanS_ | i think mornfall is maintaining it.. | 13:54 |
| seele | ok | 13:54 |
| seele | maybe ill just submit a bug, gtg to a meeting | 13:54 |
| Jucato | manchicken was the one who added it | 13:55 |
| Jucato | dinner... | 13:55 |
| txwikinger | will there be at some point a way to convert .kde to .kde4? | 13:56 |
| Trigger7 | you could try "cp .kde .kde4". in theory the config should get updated | 13:57 |
| gribelu | Trigger7: i'm gonna try their patches on kubuntu's package.. maybe it works | 13:58 |
| Trigger7 | gribelu: but don't use all of them ;) | 13:59 |
| gribelu | no branding lol | 13:59 |
| Trigger7 | you don't want a chameleon in the window boarders ;) | 13:59 |
| Trigger7 | and the kickoff patches are also not desired. | 14:00 |
| gribelu | i've been patching for more than a day.. would suck to just work with these patches | 14:01 |
| smarter | I'm packaging the Qt4 Bespin style, it includes a config module for kde4, do I have to do something special so that it uses ~/.kde4? | 14:01 |
| txwikinger | Trigger7: No that will prevent kde4 from working | 14:02 |
| Trigger7 | txwikinger: what? | 14:02 |
| txwikinger | copying .kde to .kde4 | 14:03 |
| Trigger7 | ok, that's bad. upstream always claimed this should work | 14:03 |
| txwikinger | There are people who want to keep their configurations of applications, i.e. contact lists etc. | 14:03 |
| txwikinger | I just want to know if eventually this is intended to work | 14:03 |
| Trigger7 | smarter: no. normally no chanes are needed | 14:04 |
| smarter | Trigger7: chanes? | 14:04 |
| Trigger7 | smarter: changes* | 14:04 |
| smarter | okay, thanks | 14:05 |
| mornfall | _StefanS_: I am not. Not the 2.x series. | 14:09 |
| === ScottK2 changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | KDE 4.0.1! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | ||
| jpatrick | stdin: I'm not core-dev | 14:12 |
| * ScottK2 does some housekeeping ... | 14:12 | |
| stdin | jpatrick: I know, I meant for review but was too tired to explain that at the time :p | 14:13 |
| _StefanS_ | mornfall: ok, it might be manchicken then :) | 14:14 |
| nosrednaekim | hey everyone | 14:16 |
| smarter | jpatrick: could you please re-ack my Bespin package? ;) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin it got rejected because of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-February/015365.html | 14:19 |
| jpatrick | smarter: of course | 14:24 |
| smarter | jpatrick: thanks | 14:24 |
| Jucato | I can't seem to create a pbuilder :( | 14:28 |
| jpatrick | smarter: as a Qt4 style does it have to recommend kde4? | 14:28 |
| smarter | jpatrick: it contains a configuration dialog for kde4 | 14:29 |
| Jucato | netcat: Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35) but it is not installed | 14:29 |
| smarter | and a .kstylerc file | 14:29 |
| smarter | I mean .themerc | 14:29 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: sudo pbuilder create? | 14:29 |
| jpatrick | smarter: ok, looks good to me | 14:29 |
| * jpatrick wonders if he can just upload | 14:30 | |
| Jucato | jpatrick: yesh | 14:30 |
| Jucato | sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse" | 14:30 |
| jpatrick | try: DIST=hardy sudo pbuilder create --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse" | 14:31 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: thanks. I'll have the result in an hour :) | 14:32 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: that the problem with pbuilder :) | 14:32 |
| Jucato | annoying... | 14:32 |
| vorian | hey guys :) | 14:32 |
| * Jucato somehow finds Debian packaging a bit.. tedious... | 14:32 | |
| jpatrick | hey vorian | 14:32 |
| Jucato | well, not that I'm packaging... but in order to be able to test a package properly | 14:32 |
| vorian | the lemon upstream guys corrected the Copyright file on my package in revu. it should be good now :) | 14:33 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: but it... rocks :O | 14:33 |
| Jucato | and then to submit a debdiff... oh well | 14:33 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: like what I told nixternal before... the price of quality is complexity :P | 14:33 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: hmm... if you're using LVM, I'd go for an sbuild/schroot over a pbuilder :) | 14:33 |
| Jucato | ryanakca: unfortunately, I'm not :) | 14:33 |
| ryanakca | lol, okies :) | 14:33 |
| Jucato | practically I don't really need pbuilder I think... I just need debuild to build a .deb... but... :) | 14:33 |
| ScottK | Jucato: You can, but it's not a great idea. | 14:38 |
| ScottK | If there's a bug in the package you can mess up your system, you often end up with a dirty source tree afterwards, and don't have a clear idea if your build depends are correct. | 14:38 |
| ScottK | If none of that worries you, then go ahead. | 14:38 |
| Trigger7 | Jucato: you should at least test all your packages with pbuilder/cowbuilder/whateverbuilder | 14:38 |
| Jucato | ScottK: I know... that fact slapped me in the face last year... it seems to me that you can't escape some amount of packaging if you're developing :( | 14:39 |
| Jucato | Trigger7: <Jucato> I can't seem to create a pbuilder :( <Jucato> netcat: Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35) but it is not installed | 14:39 |
| ScottK | Jucato: If you're having trouble creating a pbuilder, look at the pbuilder-dist script in ubuntu-dev-tools. | 14:39 |
| * Jucato sits back and waits... | 14:39 | |
| jpatrick | Jucato: well, I have a hardy and sid pbuilder and a gutsy prevu :) | 14:39 |
| Jucato | you're a packaging pimp! should I be surprised? :D | 14:40 |
| Trigger7 | Jucato: hehe yeah. that's the fun with the 'usntable' distributions | 14:40 |
| * Jucato is more of a coder type.. but discovered that hard way that he can't escape debian-fu | 14:40 | |
| Jucato | oh well, time to sit back and watch pbuilder... | 14:41 |
| ryanakca | I'm guessing klatin was dropped for kde4? | 14:55 |
| nosrednaekim | ryanakca: I thought it had another name... | 14:55 |
| Riddell | I believe it's been dropped | 14:56 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: pity, okies, thanks :) | 14:56 |
| Jucato | pitti? :) | 14:56 |
| Jucato | http://edu.kde.org/languages/ | 14:56 |
| Jucato | "KLatin KLatin was dropped in KDE 4.0 as it had no maintainer anymore." | 14:56 |
| Riddell | ah, nosrednaekim, want to come to UDS? and anything you think we should discuss? | 14:57 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: likewise ^^ ? | 14:57 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: can I /msg you? | 14:57 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I'd love to... but I'm guessing its smack in the middle of a school week... where is it? *checks the wiki* | 14:57 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: where is UDS? i'm 17.... I don't think i'll be able to make it ;) | 14:57 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: you acn | 14:57 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: Czech Republic | 14:58 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sometime in May | 14:58 |
| ryanakca | jpatrick, Riddell: lol, waay out of my reach... if I couldn't convince my parents to let me to UDS Boston, I can hardly imagine convincing them to let me go to the Czech Republic. | 15:00 |
| ryanakca | (and boston is 3-4 hours drive away ;) | 15:00 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: now the error is "Failure to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/22450/. mount -t proc proc /proc" "pbuilder: debootstrap failed" | 15:02 |
| nosrednaekim | ryanakca: I feel your pain :) | 15:02 |
| jpatrick | well, I first they saw mhb's post and decided to have it in his house | 15:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: asked Jucato yet? | 15:03 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: but I'll think if there is anything that needs to be discussed. | 15:03 |
| jpatrick | hehe | 15:03 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I obviously can't :) | 15:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: why? | 15:03 |
| Jucato | thanks for the thought :) | 15:03 |
| Jucato | $$$ | 15:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: so? | 15:04 |
| ryanakca | nosrednaekim: ... eh, only another... 6-7 years untill I've graduated high school, finished Uni and manage to scrape up enough money to fly myself overseas and stay in a hotel room for a week... :) | 15:04 |
| Jucato | I won't be able to get past any embassy... | 15:04 |
| Jucato | er.. I won't be able to get a Visa | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: not even with a letter from canonical? | 15:04 |
| Jucato | they have this "show money" policy... | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | oh | 15:04 |
| Hobbsee | you live in the wrong place. | 15:04 |
| Jucato | you have to show them $$$ to assure them that you have what it takes to support yourself and get back here... | 15:05 |
| * Jucato thinks we're notorious for illegal immigration that's why... | 15:05 | |
| * Jucato is getting frustrated with pbuilder... | 15:06 | |
| Jucato | try again tomorrow... | 15:06 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: well, that's a freakish error | 15:06 |
| nosrednaekim | ryanakca: same, but more like 5 years here :) | 15:07 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: quite appropriate for a freakish person :) | 15:07 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: why did debootstrap fail? | 15:07 |
| Jucato | "Failure to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/22450/. mount -t proc proc /proc" "pbuilder: debootstrap failed" | 15:07 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: btw, i was 18 when i went. iirc. | 15:07 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: sudo apt-get install pbuilder debootstrap devscripts | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | and female. | 15:08 |
| Jucato | and... | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | i wasnt' the youngest there, either. | 15:08 |
| Jucato | well no fair you have a long pointy stick! :) | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: any more detail than that? | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: like, further up? | 15:08 |
| nosrednaekim | Hobbsee: but heh, you probably weren't flying half-way around the world | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: and the pointy stick doesn't always help | 15:08 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: sydney to spain - i can beat all of your plane flights into teh ground. | 15:09 |
| === _czessi is now known as Czessi | ||
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: it took 30 hours to get back from sevilla. | 15:09 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: nada | 15:09 |
| * nosrednaekim retires in defeat | 15:09 | |
| Hobbsee | 4 flights | 15:09 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: eso da igual tio :p | 15:09 |
| Jucato | except a warning that libc6 couldn't be downloaded | 15:09 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: no excuse :) | 15:09 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: hahah! I only know very few spanish words :P | 15:09 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: how, that is bad | 15:09 |
| nosrednaekim | Hobbsee: parents | 15:09 |
| nosrednaekim | and money | 15:09 |
| jpatrick | nosrednaekim: run away | 15:09 |
| jpatrick | no, really, don't! | 15:10 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: pbuilder debooboo and devilscripts are up to date | 15:10 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: yeah. i'd suggest slowly talking about it to them, before saying "i have a plane ticket" | 15:10 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: rofl | 15:10 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse" - try with main and restricted in there too | 15:11 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: will do... if that works, I blame the wiki! | 15:11 |
| Hobbsee | it shouldn't make any difference, but... | 15:12 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i think you have an error further up somewhere | 15:12 |
| Jucato | if I do, I can't find it :( | 15:12 |
| Jucato | do I have to stare line by line? | 15:12 |
| Hobbsee | not really, but it should be after it fetches the packages or something | 15:13 |
| Jucato | coz for some reason, I feel my eyes are burning... | 15:13 |
| Hobbsee | why don't you pipe it to an output file, so you can grep it? | 15:13 |
| Hobbsee | as in, pipe stdout? | 15:13 |
| Jucato | right... can I cancel it now? | 15:13 |
| Hobbsee | sure | 15:13 |
| Jucato | or I can just save the scrollback and hope it saves the whole thing | 15:14 |
| Jucato | (yakuake/konsole4) | 15:14 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: "coz for some reason, I feel my eyes are burning..." <- must be the devilscripts | 15:14 |
| Riddell | mhb: did you get anywhere with the jockey qt frontend? | 15:14 |
| * Hobbsee likes devscripts. | 15:15 | |
| Jucato | jpatrick: heheh :) | 15:15 |
| lontra | is kde-guidance-powermanager to be made to work with kde4? right now suspend and hibernate buttons don't do anything | 15:15 |
| lontra | or will kubuntu go to kpowerave? | 15:15 |
| jpatrick | lontra: hasn't been ported (blocked by libpythonize) | 15:15 |
| Jucato | peebuilder, debooboostrap and devilscripts. yay!! | 15:15 |
| lontra | jpatrick: thanks ... this is a bit of a support question but how would i run suspend from konsole? | 15:16 |
| jpatrick | lontra: one sec, this was on the mailing list at one point | 15:17 |
| * ryanakca wonders if there's a simple non-GUI (aka, no Qt stuff yet) C++ task he could attempt, all without garanteeing anybody success :) | 15:17 | |
| jpatrick | lontra: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002108.html | 15:17 |
| lontra | jpatrick: thanks | 15:18 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: power manager doesn't use libpythonize | 15:18 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: opss, yeah didn't sebas promise one or something? | 15:19 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: there's a plasma power manager applet | 15:19 |
| lontra | jpatrick: thanks that worked | 15:19 |
| jpatrick | got thrown off by the kde-*guidance*-* 2~ | 15:20 |
| Riddell | I don't think it does brightness or suspend | 15:20 |
| lontra | looks like konqueror4 has a simplified profile ... could revert back to the original profile be added to the FAQ? | 15:21 |
| Riddell | lontra: we havn't changed anything from KDE | 15:22 |
| lontra | Riddell: really? | 15:22 |
| lontra | ok | 15:22 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: have you tested this LUKS patch? | 15:24 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: no, but he seems to know better (author) | 15:25 |
| Jucato | bug 129186 requires python, and my original assessment seems to be wrong (adept_batch does seem to return a value upon exit, but QtLanguageSelector doesn't seem to know when the user cancelled it) | 15:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186 | 15:25 |
| stdin | ryanakca: hmm, wasn't the closing date for mockups a few days ago now? | 15:32 |
| Jucato | yo stdin! :) | 15:32 |
| stdin | hey ho Jucato :) | 15:32 |
| Jucato | stdin: someone was asking in here about the weather plasmoid earlier. | 15:33 |
| Jucato | I thought you, being the kde4 ppa go-to guy, probably know | 15:33 |
| stdin | I think that would in extregear, not sure | 15:34 |
| Jucato | he claims it isn't.. hadn't had time to check though :) | 15:35 |
| apachelogger_ | mhhh | 15:35 |
| apachelogger_ | suse | 15:35 |
| * apachelogger_ demands satisfaction | 15:35 | |
| apachelogger_ | letz pull a trunk snapshot in! | 15:35 |
| stdin | apachelogger_: go fix kdm-kde4 then | 15:35 |
| apachelogger_ | stdin: is fixed already | 15:35 |
| apachelogger_ | just needs a testbuild | 15:35 |
| apachelogger_ | would have been uploaded years ago, but I had to do sports | 15:36 |
| apachelogger_ | oohhh, this school | 15:36 |
| * apachelogger_ shakes his head | 15:36 | |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: I'm in the same boat mate | 15:36 |
| stdin | great, websvn is down too | 15:37 |
| Hobbsee | hm, now why did all the kde games icons break again? | 15:37 |
| * apachelogger_ points at Riddell | 15:37 | |
| stdin | Jucato: I don't remember seeing it in kdebase* and I don't see it in extragear, so it's either been removed from our package (or never was in it) or it's not in extragear/plasma | 15:38 |
| stdin | but I can't check as websvn.kde.org isn't working here | 15:38 |
| Jucato | stdin: maybe it was in playground-plasma? (pre 4.0) | 15:38 |
| Jucato | no worries. I just thought I'd bring it to your attention :) | 15:39 |
| * apachelogger_ stops pointing at Riddell and starts pointing at Hobbsee | 15:40 | |
| apachelogger_ | Hobbsee: they are not broken for me | 15:40 |
| Hobbsee | hm, strange | 15:40 |
| stdin | Jucato: it was in plasma-playground yes | 15:41 |
| apachelogger_ | mhhh | 15:42 |
| apachelogger_ | listening to paris hilton | 15:42 |
| apachelogger_ | lastfm client ain't that nice to me :S | 15:42 |
| stdin | kill it | 15:43 |
| apachelogger_ | Hobbsee: could you provide a screenie | 15:43 |
| stdin | and by "it" I meant paris hilton | 15:43 |
| apachelogger_ | "Are you sure that you want to ban the title Stars are blind?" | 15:43 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger_: it's on gnome, if that helps | 15:44 |
| Hobbsee | the gnome ones work, but not the kde | 15:44 |
| * apachelogger_ declares lastfm client an even more stupid software than amarok | 15:44 | |
| vorian | apachelogger_: the lemon upstream updated their package to include all 3 full licences in their COPYING file. I made the proper changes. :) | 15:44 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: bug me again when I uploaded ubuntu2 of workspace :P | 15:44 |
| vorian | eh? | 15:45 |
| vorian | alrighty :) | 15:45 |
| apachelogger_ | Hobbsee: screenie plz | 15:45 |
| * apachelogger_ puts the sherlock costume on | 15:45 | |
| Jucato | hm.. how come adept doesn't have an orig.tar.gz... | 15:45 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger_: i don't see how it will help you | 15:46 |
| Riddell | Jucato: because it's a native package (we make it ourselves) | 15:46 |
| Hobbsee | and i'm lazy | 15:46 |
| apachelogger_ | well | 15:46 |
| apachelogger_ | it helps me imagine | 15:46 |
| apachelogger_ | anyway | 15:46 |
| Jucato | Riddell: ah... | 15:46 |
| apachelogger_ | I'm not 100% certain it works with KDE 3 as well | 15:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee, apachelogger_: kde 3 is patched to see the kde 4 icons, gnome would need to be patched too, or else find a reliable way to set an absolute path | 15:47 |
| smarter | jpatrick: Did you forget to ack my package? ;) | 15:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh, that'll do it | 15:47 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: ok, that explains it | 15:47 |
| jpatrick | smarter: arg, not again :) | 15:47 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: pbuilder looking good! so I blame the wiki :) | 15:47 |
| * apachelogger_ demands patching in this case | 15:47 | |
| Hobbsee | :) | 15:47 |
| ryanakca | stdin: yes, it was | 15:48 |
| jpatrick | smarter: done! :D | 15:48 |
| smarter | jpatrick: thank you :) | 15:48 |
| stdin | ryanakca: was just wondering because the link is still in the topic(s) | 15:48 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: yep! pbuilder done.. now it's just installing build-essentials :) | 15:49 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 15:49 |
| ryanakca | stdin: except we got one mockup from someone who took ubuntu.com and made it blue, and then we got nixternal's mockup, but he wants us to get a "real" mockup from a "real" artist | 15:49 |
| ryanakca | ... and thats it :( | 15:49 |
| Jucato | StefanS' artistic juices seem to be flowing :) | 15:50 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: dude, last mockup looks cool! | 15:50 |
| jpatrick | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups | 15:50 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: what's wrong with the various designs we already have? | 15:50 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: nothing | 15:50 |
| ryanakca | jpatrick: ooh, never saw that one :) | 15:50 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: I never thought of taking the links in the topics down, and I was just quoting nixternal :) | 15:51 |
| apachelogger_ | uh, yeah that one looks nice | 15:51 |
| ryanakca | what does everybody else think of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup-dmiller.png ? | 15:51 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: +20 | 15:52 |
| smarter | ryanakca: pretty | 15:52 |
| stdin | it looks rather nice :) | 15:52 |
| ryanakca | mhb: ? | 15:52 |
| jjesse_ | i like that mock up | 15:52 |
| ryanakca | if both mhb and Riddell agree, I guess we can announce it :) | 15:52 |
| Riddell | I wouldn't announce it until it's a real website | 15:53 |
| ryanakca | ok... | 15:53 |
| apachelogger_ | +1 | 15:53 |
| Hobbsee | wow, there's some really nice stuff there! | 15:53 |
| ryanakca | +1 to that, but at least tell the guy we considered and picked his mockup, but not to announce it to the world? | 15:53 |
| smarter | The kubuntu logo could could be more like the current one at http://kubuntu.org | 15:53 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: back to coding! | 15:53 |
| Jucato | and is that the oxygen download icon or not? | 15:53 |
| ryanakca | jpatrick: I guess that puts off my C++ learning :) | 15:53 |
| * Jucato can't recall | 15:54 | |
| ryanakca | smarter: sure | 15:54 |
| smarter | And the ubuntu font is cool but should'nt be too used imho ;) | 15:54 |
| * ryanakca wonders if he should start from scratch or base himself on what we already have... | 15:56 | |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: can you plz revu kepas? | 15:57 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: sure thing | 15:57 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: upload bespin | 15:58 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: why did besping to rejected the first time? | 16:00 |
| apachelogger_ | -g | 16:00 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: made a small mistake in copyright | 16:01 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-February/015365.html | 16:01 |
| jpatrick | ...or that. | 16:01 |
| apachelogger_ | k | 16:01 |
| Riddell | fdoving: anything you think we should discuss at UDS, and do you want to come? | 16:02 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: have you test built/used? | 16:02 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: lemonpos? | 16:02 |
| apachelogger_ | eh | 16:02 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: kepas? | 16:03 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: ja | 16:03 |
| apachelogger_ | can't remember, honestly | 16:03 |
| apachelogger_ | probably did | 16:03 |
| * jpatrick pbuilds | 16:03 | |
| apachelogger_ | I'll have a look at it later on anyway | 16:03 |
| jpatrick | smarter: kepas looks good, just test build and +1 | 16:04 |
| smarter | jpatrick: cool | 16:04 |
| jpatrick | d-miller: excellent mock up | 16:04 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: description-starts-with-package-name for kepas | 16:08 |
| jussi01 | quick question, when I attatch a patch to a bug, I then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, correct? | 16:09 |
| apachelogger_ | jussi01: yes, considering the package is in universe ;-) | 16:09 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: I'll fix that, didn't know it was a problem | 16:10 |
| d-miller | jpatrick: thank you =) | 16:10 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: lintian declares it an error, so I guess it is supposed to be seen as a problem | 16:10 |
| apachelogger_ | I personally don't though ;-) | 16:10 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger_: thank you. | 16:11 |
| manchicken | I thought we had a tooltip on the supported icon in adept. | 16:11 |
| manchicken | Jucato must have broken it :P | 16:11 |
| smarter | are the "binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath" thing a problem? | 16:11 |
| Jucato | nooooo | 16:11 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: no | 16:11 |
| apachelogger_ | actually we want it that way | 16:11 |
| apachelogger_ | plus rpath is good according to KDE devs ;-) | 16:11 |
| smarter | that's what I thought :) | 16:11 |
| * Jucato closes all kwrite windows to remove any evidence | 16:11 | |
| manchicken | Jucato: Too late, you've been caught up. | 16:11 |
| apachelogger_ | omg | 16:12 |
| apachelogger_ | Jucato again | 16:12 |
| * apachelogger_ demands satisfaction! | 16:12 | |
| manchicken | So I should take a photo of Badger in his Kubuntu body suit :) | 16:12 |
| Jucato | hahah :) | 16:12 |
| manchicken | Dacia says she'll take care of that. | 16:12 |
| manchicken | Although I'll need to get him a Xubuntu suit, too. | 16:12 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: bespin is actually having the same issue | 16:13 |
| apachelogger_ | just that lintian doesn't catch it since the package is named different ;-) | 16:13 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: you think the description-starts-with-package-name should be fixed for bespin? | 16:14 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: I only run lintian on the .dsc normally | 16:14 |
| smarter | I fix it too there | 16:14 |
| apachelogger_ | fair enough | 16:14 |
| * apachelogger_ throws a Dalek after vorian | 16:17 | |
| vorian | nooooooo | 16:17 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: update debian/rules according to latest concepts in kdebase-workspace | 16:17 |
| vorian | doh! | 16:17 |
| apachelogger_ | also debian/cdbs | 16:17 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: Bespin and Kepas should now be uploaded | 16:18 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: plz +1 on bespin | 16:18 |
| apachelogger_ | and kepas in case you already did that ;-) | 16:18 |
| smarter | I'm also packaging qdevelop now(the previous packager gave up) | 16:19 |
| apachelogger_ | I actually can understand he gave up | 16:20 |
| apachelogger_ | that package is one whole filled with work | 16:20 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: debian/watch seems to be broken | 16:20 |
| vorian | oh? | 16:20 |
| apachelogger_ | uscan deoesn't work | 16:21 |
| vorian | i'll check and fix | 16:21 |
| apachelogger_ | k | 16:21 |
| vorian | what part of the wrapper needs updated | 16:21 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: just sync it with workspace | 16:22 |
| apachelogger_ | the whole wrapper is reduced to 3 lines or something | 16:22 |
| vorian | ah! | 16:22 |
| vorian | ok | 16:22 |
| apachelogger_ | but debian/cdbs needs to be synced with workspace | 16:22 |
| vorian | i did that | 16:22 |
| apachelogger_ | ok | 16:22 |
| vorian | k, that makes more sense | 16:22 |
| apachelogger_ | just update rules then | 16:22 |
| vorian | :) | 16:22 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: kepas builds and is useable | 16:23 |
| apachelogger_ | meh | 16:25 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick got lost :S | 16:25 |
| ryanakca | nooo... tmsnc has been discontinued :( | 16:27 |
| vorian | apachelogger_: changes uploaded :) | 16:32 |
| vorian | dang it | 16:35 |
| vorian | forgot the watch | 16:35 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 16:41 |
| nixternal | what a mess this place is | 16:41 |
| vorian | what up nixternal | 16:41 |
| nixternal | we have snow, ice, and wrecks everywhere | 16:41 |
| nixternal | I had to take my mom to the doctors this morning and the roads suck big time | 16:42 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: lol, buses were cancelled here, snowday :D | 16:42 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: what do you think of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup-dmiller.png ? | 16:43 |
| nixternal | I like some of the ideas there, but I hate that ubuntu font everywhere | 16:44 |
| nixternal | it is to cartoonish | 16:45 |
| vorian | apachelogger_: ok, it's really finished this time :P | 16:52 |
| buz | yeah the ubuntu font is over used | 16:53 |
| buz | i like it for logos, but its bad to read | 16:53 |
| nixternal | ya it is | 16:53 |
| buz | i'd use dejavu sans/helvetica/arial instead | 16:53 |
| vorian | how about comic sans | 16:54 |
| buz | hehe sure | 16:54 |
| vorian | that's the awemestsesz | 16:54 |
| buz | in all CAPS while were at it | 16:54 |
| buz | with lots of !!.! | 16:54 |
| vorian | yes! | 16:54 |
| vorian | better yet | 16:54 |
| vorian | a 4 or 5 year old could freehand it | 16:54 |
| buz | na, osnews already does THAT | 16:55 |
| vorian | lol | 16:55 |
| smarter | "QSqlDatabase: QSQLITE driver not loaded | 16:55 |
| smarter | QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" | 16:55 |
| smarter | ? :/ | 16:55 |
| buz | honestly, their comics look just like that | 16:55 |
| nixternal | smarter: did you see that bespin or whatever it is called was rejected? | 16:55 |
| smarter | nixternal: yes, I've fixed the problem and it's currently waiting for ack: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin | 16:56 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: just ack it, I'm ready for upload :P | 16:56 |
| * apachelogger_ demands statisfaction from whoever br0ke the KDM user icons | 16:57 | |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: hey, why the change to the rules file and the kde.mk for lemonpos? | 16:58 |
| nixternal | Riddell and I proved yesterday that the wrapper will not work unless the Exec= is to an absolute path | 16:58 |
| nixternal | and why have the script in cdbs/kde.mk as well as the rules? | 16:59 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: what script? | 16:59 |
| apachelogger_ | also | 16:59 |
| apachelogger_ | +kde4-wrapper-creation: | 17:00 |
| apachelogger_ | +for file in `ls $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/applications/kde4/`; do \ | 17:00 |
| apachelogger_ | +sed -i 's,Exec=,Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/,' $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/applications/kde4/$${file}; \ | 17:00 |
| apachelogger_ | done | 17:00 |
| nixternal | that one | 17:00 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: is it in cdbs? | 17:00 |
| nixternal | it is in kde.mk and rules for lemonpos | 17:00 |
| nixternal | it is in the kde.mk file | 17:00 |
| Jucato | nixternal!!!!!! | 17:00 |
| nixternal | Jucato!!!!! | 17:00 |
| Jucato | :) | 17:00 |
| nixternal | (: | 17:00 |
| apachelogger_ | nice | 17:00 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: I guess it is that way in -workspace as well | 17:00 |
| Jucato | um.. anyone I need a clue about this.. what does "@@ -###,# +###,# @@ in diffs mean? | 17:00 |
| nixternal | Jucato: RTFM | 17:01 |
| nixternal | :p | 17:01 |
| Jucato | ear.. ok... | 17:01 |
| nixternal | plus, I couldn't tell you by heart | 17:01 |
| Jucato | which manual? | 17:01 |
| nixternal | even though our Linux courses at the uni teach it over and over :) | 17:01 |
| Jucato | ok.. :) | 17:01 |
| stdin | it's to do with the position (line numbers) before and after the patch, that's all I can tell you | 17:01 |
| nixternal | oh, I have no clue...if you check out diff via google you will find a couple that explain them well | 17:02 |
| Jucato | stdin: thanks | 17:02 |
| nixternal | stdin: ya, it has to deal with all of that, but there is more meaning to it | 17:02 |
| nixternal | oh | 17:02 |
| Jucato | hehe ok nvm.. it might be a different problem | 17:02 |
| nixternal | -### is obviouly removing that area | 17:02 |
| nixternal | +### is obviously adding that area | 17:02 |
| nixternal | @@ show the location(s) effected | 17:02 |
| * nixternal had to look at a diff | 17:02 | |
| nixternal | Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} | 17:04 |
| nixternal | with a single binary package, you don't need the ${misc:Depends} correct? | 17:04 |
| vorian | right | 17:04 |
| vorian | my bad | 17:05 |
| blueyed | Tonio_: re your kdebase upload. Is the LP bug reference in the changelog to bug 189144 correct? Apart from that, it has been just fixed in bash, so please revert your patch. | 17:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 189144 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine is not working in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189144 | 17:06 |
| blueyed | dash bug 177032 | 17:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177032 in dash "Regression with filename glob expanding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177032 | 17:06 |
| * blueyed hasn't looked at your patch though, so it may be something different even.. then, sorry for disturbing.. :) | 17:06 | |
| ryanakca | nixternal: well, the ditch the Ubuntu font has already been discussed... | 17:07 |
| ryanakca | (reading the backlog about the mockup) | 17:07 |
| nixternal | I think it would be better if we could gear a little to professionalism with a touch of fun | 17:07 |
| nixternal | but then again, the choice of the mockup to get used isn't mine, it would be mastah Riddell who decides :) | 17:08 |
| Tonio_ | blueyed: okay thanks for the info | 17:08 |
| blueyed | Tonio_: it has been reported for kdebase in bug 179060 | 17:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 179060 in kdebase "KDE env broken in startkde because of dash? (dup-of: 177032)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179060 | 17:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 177032 in dash "Regression with filename glob expanding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177032 | 17:08 |
| apachelogger_ | mhhhh | 17:08 |
| Tonio_ | blueyed: I'll wait for next dash to test and will remove the patch if confirmed fixed | 17:08 |
| apachelogger_ | that user icon sux | 17:08 |
| * apachelogger_ kicks kdm | 17:09 | |
| apachelogger_ | gimme oxygen | 17:09 |
| nixternal | haha | 17:09 |
| blueyed | Tonio_: thanks | 17:09 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: the new KDE 3 kdm artwork, with my black & white chicago background, really makes that login area stand out quite nicely | 17:09 |
| apachelogger_ | hmmmm | 17:10 |
| smarter | can someone knows why there's no database driver at all in QSqlDatabase? :/ | 17:10 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: got a tar at hand? | 17:10 |
| smarter | "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" << nothing | 17:10 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: so what do you say about the lemonpos rules file? remove that wrapper script stuff... | 17:10 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: I dunno, we have to check with Riddell | 17:10 |
| nixternal | tar at hand of what? | 17:10 |
| apachelogger_ | maybe it didn't work in rules or something | 17:10 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: *just wants someone to make a final decision so that he can implement it*... after today, I'm gone skiing 'till Monday... so whatever I don't do today will either get done by someone else while I'm gone, or finished by me next week | 17:10 |
| apachelogger_ | s/rules/cdbs | 17:10 |
| smarter | It worked before: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/179261 | 17:10 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
| nixternal | well, I know that the script didn't work with single binary files...didn't work on any of the extragear stuff | 17:10 |
| smarter | "QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2" | 17:10 |
| toma | smarter: some distro's have them in separate packages | 17:10 |
| nixternal | so I stayed with the old wrapper in the rules file for the time being | 17:11 |
| vorian | I can always update it when it's more appropriate | 17:11 |
| smarter | toma: Do I need something other than libqt4-sql ? | 17:11 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: check what with Riddell? | 17:11 |
| toma | smarter: no | 17:12 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: probably "12:10:17 < nixternal> apachelogger_: so what do you say about the lemonpos rules file? remove that wrapper script stuff..." | 17:13 |
| smarter | toma: so this is a bug | 17:13 |
| nixternal | I am testing the lemonpos w/o the wrapper in rules and using the one in kde.mk | 17:14 |
| Riddell | nixternal, apachelogger_: it shouldn't need the wrapper scripts, but it may need a rule to set the absolute path for Exec= | 17:14 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: well, it is right now in debian/rules and debian/cdbs/kde.mk | 17:15 |
| nixternal | that is because Riddell updated the kde.mk last week to be used | 17:16 |
| blizzzek | hi | 17:17 |
| vorian | hello blizzzek | 17:18 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: pleae remove the wrapper from rules if you didn't already | 17:19 |
| nixternal | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=elephant-bleu-2560x1600.jpg <-- how about trying that out as a wallpaper? seems people really like it too (KDE 3 that is) | 17:19 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: where to find that "new KDE 3 kdm artwork"? | 17:20 |
| vorian | apachelogger_: so revert the package? | 17:20 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: should be kubuntu-default-settings | 17:20 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: nah, completely remove it, rules should only include debian/cdbs/kde.mk now | 17:20 |
| nixternal | vorian: also update control file for kdelibs5-dev to >= 4:4.0.1 | 17:20 |
| vorian | kk | 17:21 |
| Riddell | nixternal: nice, maybe a bit dark, I know kwwii looked at it for ubuntu and i think there were worries about cultural issues with it | 17:22 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 17:22 |
| nixternal | it seems that everyone seems to link me to it for a good wallpaper :) | 17:22 |
| seele | Jucato: you would have difficulty getting a visa even if you had a return ticket? | 17:23 |
| nixternal | also, another thing that was suggested was offering some other nice wallpapers...like the elephant one, and some others | 17:23 |
| Jucato | seele: yep... that's how it works here... show money is important :/ | 17:23 |
| vorian | I think the lion main in blue would be killer | 17:23 |
| Jucato | (of course, connections with "important" people can help too :P) | 17:23 |
| Riddell | nixternal: well KDE does that already, no need to take up more disk space | 17:23 |
| nixternal | my feelings exactly | 17:24 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: I don't see any changed artwork, beside the wallpaper | 17:24 |
| seele | Jucato: as in cash or a bank statement? | 17:24 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: looked like it changed to me...maybe it hasn't | 17:24 |
| Riddell | seele: mhb had a similar thing getting into the US last year. he's a student so there's not much keeping him tied to home | 17:24 |
| apachelogger_ | *shrug* | 17:24 |
| * apachelogger_ goes KDE 4 default for now | 17:25 | |
| * smarter uses this wallpaper: http://www.enhance-it.dk/Aquapattern_by_DJMattRicks2.png | 17:25 | |
| Jucato | seele: now they seem to prefer cash... because they figured you could get around bank statements (borrow from someone to put into the bank, then return the money) | 17:25 |
| apachelogger_ | kdm just ain't very good lookin without wallpaper | 17:25 |
| Riddell | smarter: also nice, just a bit too light | 17:25 |
| nixternal | OK, it seems that script just in kde.mk does what it is supposed to, and tosses the .desktop files into /usr/share/applications/kde4 | 17:25 |
| seele | Riddell: yeah, i think it was his age and employment status that did him in.. i know a few companies who have young indian workers who can't visit home for a few years because theyre too young (college age + a few years) to get back in to the country, even with a visa | 17:26 |
| smarter | Riddell: light wallpapers go well with transparent konsole/yakuake :) | 17:26 |
| nixternal | so do dark wallpapers :) | 17:26 |
| nixternal | Jucato: what are you trying to do now? what country are you planning on destroying...err I mean visiting? :p | 17:27 |
| Jucato | nixternal: nothing. Hobbsee just tried to recommend me for UDS :P | 17:27 |
| nixternal | Kubuntu already has mhb as our resident terrorist, we don't need any more :p | 17:27 |
| Jucato | right now I'm trying to destroy adept :) | 17:28 |
| nixternal | are you going to go? or is it a pita for you to get a visa and what not | 17:28 |
| Jucato | the latter | 17:28 |
| nixternal | that stinks | 17:28 |
| nixternal | you should talk to Jerome, he has to know ways around stuff considering all of the traveling he does | 17:29 |
| Jucato | he has $$$ to start with :) | 17:29 |
| nixternal | he might have one of them connections you need :) | 17:29 |
| nixternal | next time you see him, give him a hug and lift his wallet, then you can have some $$$ :p | 17:30 |
| nixternal | someone lifts my wallet, they will be pissed...probably come back and kick my arse for being broke :) | 17:30 |
| nixternal | vorian: as soon as you upload the fixes to revu let me know and I will ack | 17:31 |
| vorian | nixternal: it just showed up on revu | 17:31 |
| vorian | interestingly enough | 17:31 |
| nixternal | groovy | 17:31 |
| vorian | :) | 17:31 |
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| nixternal | kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:3.97.0) -- I would like to see this bumped to 4:4.0.1, but it is something either myself or apachelogger_ can fix upon upload really | 17:33 |
| nixternal | I will go ahead and ack it | 17:33 |
| vorian | hold on | 17:33 |
| nixternal | right as I ack it ;p | 17:34 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: well, if it compiles with 3.97 it isn't much of a problem IMO :P | 17:34 |
| nixternal | ya, that is why it isn't a big deal | 17:34 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: if you want, go ahead and ack it and upload it :) | 17:34 |
| * apachelogger_ kicks the kdm patches again | 17:34 | |
| nixternal | I have test built it on i386 | 17:34 |
| apachelogger_ | ok | 17:35 |
| vorian | I updated the control in the wrong file | 17:35 |
| * apachelogger_ prepares for upload | 17:35 | |
| vorian | sorry | 17:35 |
| nixternal | vorian: hahah | 17:35 |
| vorian | :) | 17:35 |
| * apachelogger_ stops preparing | 17:35 | |
| nixternal | no biggy | 17:35 |
| vorian | ok then | 17:35 |
| Jucato | is there a way to apply all patches in debian/patches automatically? | 17:35 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: he is just talking aobut the 3.97 to 4.0.1..it is still fine to ack and up | 17:35 |
| vorian | thanks for your help nixternal and apachelogger_ :) | 17:35 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: ok | 17:35 |
| * apachelogger_ grabs the sources | 17:35 | |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes but depends on the patch system being used | 17:35 |
| nixternal | no problemo...before you know it vorian you will be a MOTU | 17:35 |
| vorian | w00t! | 17:36 |
| Jucato | what does Adept us? cdbs? | 17:36 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: wouldn't `make -f debian/rules apply-patches` always work? | 17:36 |
| vorian | now /me turns to bug fixing :) | 17:36 |
| Jucato | ah yes it does... | 17:36 |
| Riddell | Jucato: as apachelogger_ says | 17:36 |
| * Jucato tries | 17:36 | |
| nixternal | only thing I can recommend really to you vorian, is working on the copyright file skills...it seems everything else you are getting a pretty good grasp of | 17:36 |
| apachelogger_ | +1 | 17:36 |
| nixternal | copyright files can be a biznatch | 17:36 |
| mornfall | Jucato: You are breaking it even more? :P | 17:37 |
| Jucato | apachelogger_: thanks.. I have always used buildprep :) | 17:37 |
| vorian | nixternal: i learned much from this experience with lemon and copyright :) | 17:37 |
| Jucato | mornfall: hahah yes :) | 17:37 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: do I have to fwd the new new mail to motu? | 17:37 |
| Jucato | mornfall: I'm trying to add update() to Installer | 17:37 |
| nixternal | vorian: if you don't have the package installed yet, I recommend you grab the ubuntu devtools, there is a app called licensecheck that helps when doing copyright | 17:37 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: yes please | 17:37 |
| Jucato | mornfall: to close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/149652 | 17:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149652 in adept "manage repositories in adept_installer doen't work (dup-of: 155068)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:38 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 155068 in adept "adept installer does not reload package lists after sources modification" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:38 |
| nixternal | vorian: sudo apt-get install devscripts | 17:38 |
| vorian | I have it :) | 17:38 |
| vorian | I just don't know how to use all the tools | 17:38 |
| nixternal | then you can go into a directory and do 'licensecheck --copyright *' and it will read the headers out of all of the source files and spit out what you are looking for | 17:38 |
| * vorian tests | 17:39 | |
| apachelogger_ | ...combined with a nifty grep you won't miss any copyrights anymore :) | 17:39 |
| nixternal | you can even get funky with it and toss some regex at it if you want...but I just stay easy...it helps me showing which files have what licenses | 17:39 |
| nixternal | one thing I have learned though when writing code, is properly licensing each file | 17:40 |
| vorian | awesome! | 17:40 |
| nixternal | and using just one license | 17:40 |
| vorian | that is really cool | 17:40 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 17:40 |
| vorian | I should have asked how you greped all those | 17:40 |
| apachelogger_ | vorian: did you touch kde.mk? | 17:40 |
| apachelogger_ | it's missing a new line | 17:40 |
| nixternal | ya, I usually do 'licensecheck --copyright * |grep LGPL' if there are files licensed with it...make it easy to list them in the copyright file | 17:40 |
| vorian | apachelogger_: um | 17:41 |
| vorian | let me see if it was the wrong file | 17:41 |
| vorian | I had lemon and lemon1 | 17:41 |
| apachelogger_ | hehe | 17:41 |
| apachelogger_ | looks right to me | 17:41 |
| vorian | so it's good then? | 17:41 |
| apachelogger_ | yeah | 17:41 |
| apachelogger_ | the original is also missing a newline | 17:41 |
| Jucato | oh mornfall, btw. is it impossible to open adept/*.ui files in Qt designer? | 17:42 |
| mornfall | No idea. | 17:42 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: btw, what is stopping us from getting the cdbs files into cdbs? | 17:42 |
| * vorian wipes sweat from his forehead | 17:42 | |
| mornfall | Ah. | 17:42 |
| mornfall | You have to hack them a little. And then hack them back. | 17:42 |
| nixternal | ooh, I found a mistake in rsibreak package...I didn't include the new kde.mk in it :/ | 17:42 |
| Jucato | mornfall: ah ok :) | 17:42 |
| Jucato | :/ | 17:42 |
| mornfall | The bases need to be switched to QWidget to edit them and move them back to whatever they were. | 17:42 |
| MaximLevitsky | Yestarday, I told about annying bug in kdm , that is still not fixed. I created a debdiff for the fix, and guess what, today new package of kdm is released without this fix. I told that this will happen | 17:43 |
| MaximLevitsky | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 | 17:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,In progress] | 17:43 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: bugs are the reason we are using the custom cdbs...we could include our kde.mk as kde4.mk to get it included..however, it is going to change again come hardy+1 more than likely | 17:43 |
| nixternal | this way here it is easier on us for the time being I believe | 17:43 |
| MaximLevitsky | What is going on.... | 17:44 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: well, maybe add it to the files of kdelibs-dev, every app depends on this package anyway | 17:44 |
| apachelogger_ | changing every package for a cdbs fix gives me the creeps | 17:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: nothing except that every time I touch cdbs it breaks | 17:45 |
| apachelogger_ | hehe :D | 17:46 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: maybe I'll prepare a debdiff if I have time for it | 17:46 |
| MaximLevitsky | Riddell, hi, take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 :-) | 17:46 |
| mhb | Riddell: yes, I've got some of it (the main window) finished. | 17:46 |
| * apachelogger_ is wondering why kdm br0ke again | 17:47 | |
| mhb | Riddell: trouble is, I've got my last exam tomorrow | 17:47 |
| mhb | please ask me on Friday :o) | 17:47 |
| Riddell | mhb: ooh, go and study! | 17:48 |
| Riddell | MaximLevitsky: nice | 17:49 |
| Riddell | MaximLevitsky: has the author of the consolekit patch looked at this do you know? | 17:49 |
| MaximLevitsky | I don't know | 17:50 |
| Riddell | MaximLevitsky: ok, I'll upload the patch if you e-mail this to kevin kofler | 17:51 |
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| MaximLevitsky | I have to go now, will be back in 1~2 hours. | 17:52 |
| === pricechild is now known as PriceChild | ||
| Riddell | vorian: fancy updating the marble qt package? | 18:09 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: ok, so the last mockup on the page is good with you? | 18:12 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sure is | 18:12 |
| ryanakca | okies :) | 18:12 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: that is the last mockup you showed earlier today? | 18:15 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: yes, without the cartoonish Ubuntu fonts, and someone suggested using the kurrent kubuntu.org logo instead of the one in the mockup | 18:15 |
| nixternal | yes please do :) | 18:16 |
| nixternal | no more using the old school logo :) | 18:16 |
| vorian | Riddell: sure thing | 18:16 |
| apachelogger_ | mhhh, new workspace coming, featuring: multirow taskbar, taskbar only shows tasks from current desktop and a yet even better kdm appearance | 18:16 |
| * Jucato tries debuild binary... and goes to slip | 18:17 | |
| Jucato | er.. sleep | 18:17 |
| Jucato | apachelogger_: thanks for the hint about apply-patches :) | 18:17 |
| apachelogger_ | Jucato: you're very welcome :) | 18:17 |
| spiroo | riddell: Do you know if there is gonna be a LiveCD for KDE4.0.1 in Kubuntu before 8.04 Hardy? | 18:18 |
| Riddell | spiroo: yes, there is | 18:19 |
| Riddell | spiroo: well, we'll have hardy CDs | 18:19 |
| Riddell | I don't plan to make any more gutsy ones | 18:19 |
| vorian | Riddell: what's the source name? :) | 18:19 |
| spiroo | Riddell: Allright then, do you think I can run Hardy version now? Or is it to unstable? | 18:20 |
| spiroo | Riddell: The actual problem is that I cannot use my GlobeTrotter (Internet) in Kubuntu and does have to download KDE4.0.1 in Windows. Maybe there is some package with only Kde4.0.1. I mean I do not need the whole Kubuntu neccessry | 18:22 |
| Riddell | spiroo: see kubuntu.org for 4.0.1 packages | 18:26 |
| Riddell | vorian: http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble-0.5.1.tar.bz2 | 18:26 |
| vorian | thanks Riddell :) | 18:26 |
| Riddell | vorian: we have two versions of marble in the archive, this is the qt only one, I don't know if the packaging needs updating and it will need a Conflicts with marble-kde4 | 18:27 |
| vorian | hmm | 18:27 |
| vorian | marble-kde4 is in kdeedu-kde4 meta | 18:27 |
| vorian | so a new package then i take it? | 18:28 |
| spiroo | Riddell: I already have, but I cannot use Adept or anything inside Kubuntu, because I cannot get Internet work inside Kubuntu. | 18:28 |
| vorian | marbleqt-kde4 sound good? | 18:29 |
| Trigger7 | apachelogger_: are you grabbing the suse patches? | 18:34 |
| Riddell | vorian: we already have the package | 18:34 |
| Riddell | vorian: "marble" source package is already there | 18:35 |
| vorian | ah, i see | 18:35 |
| gribelu | Trigger7: the suse patches don't let the panel sit on left or right :/ .... just resize and multi-row + the clock still doesn't behave as in it looks weird (too low) when the panel height is small | 18:40 |
| spiroo | Wonder, KDE and Kubuntu, they are coded in C++ mostly, right? Wondering, is it hard to code, I am learning myself the language and is quite curious about the code inside "Linux" (Word for all dists and so on :P) | 18:41 |
| gribelu | and the kickoff icon doesn't fit if panel is under 32 | 18:41 |
| ScottK | spiroo: Mostly. Guidance is Python. | 18:41 |
| Trigger7 | gribelu: shouldn't panel-location.diff make it possible to move the panel to the left or to the right? | 18:42 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: /whois me next time ;) | 18:42 |
| spiroo | ScottK: What you mean? | 18:42 |
| ScottK | KDE is mostly C++, but Guidance (which is a KDE application) is written in Python. | 18:42 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: both packages (bespin and kepas): +1 | 18:43 |
| spiroo | ScottK: allright, is the code itself complex to write. I mean is it easy to understand the structure and basic libraries? | 18:43 |
| gribelu | Trigger7: the panel moves... but the widgets look VEEERY weird.. not usable. The SuSe patches don't even enable the menu that allows left/right positioning, for good reason | 18:43 |
| * ScottK is not a C++ coder, so I can't answer. | 18:44 | |
| Trigger7 | gribelu: but i guess in trunk the situation isn't better | 18:44 |
| gribelu | Trigger7: i didn't compile the full trunk so i wouldn't know :/ | 18:44 |
| gribelu | i just dropped my ashtray.. crap.. :| | 18:45 |
| Trigger7 | i've read somewhere, that moving the panel to the left/right doesn't really work | 18:45 |
| Riddell | spiroo: code always gets complex quickly, but the top reason I like KDE is that is has the best codebase | 18:46 |
| Riddell | spiroo: best thing to do is to find a bug which annoys you and fix it | 18:47 |
| Riddell | spiroo: try umbrello for example, it's full of bugs and crashes :) | 18:48 |
| spiroo | Riddell: ok :) Do you know somewhere I could start look, that you could recommend? | 18:48 |
| Riddell | do others get horrible italics text on planet.kde.org in konqueror 4? | 18:48 |
| spiroo | Do not use Umbrello though :P The funny thing that most annoying me is the ugly GUI inside every apps :D Even desktop, specially the menu, KickOff/KMenu | 18:49 |
| mhb | unlike real bugs, it's really hard to design a "good" GUI | 18:50 |
| spiroo | Riddell: Well what I mean is that I have interests in both code and graphical interfaces. | 18:50 |
| mhb | because a) very many people do not have a clear vision of the way it should behave | 18:50 |
| mhb | b) what someone likes may not be what others like | 18:50 |
| spiroo | mhb: Yes, there is. But I feel like I have sort of a perfect eye for it, mostly because people get happy when I design, most people like. Then I also have quite a sense for proportionality | 18:51 |
| spiroo | mhb: Certainly, The main code is the base how the graphical interface has to be done. | 18:52 |
| jpatrick | apt-cache show kdelibs5-data | 18:53 |
| jpatrick | Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@ubuntu.com> | 18:53 |
| spiroo | I am also quite stubborn and a perfectionist, which I think is a good personality for this. | 18:53 |
| spiroo | Can I get any tips from someone? | 18:56 |
| ScottK | spiroo: Are you running Kubuntu's KDE4 packages now? | 18:57 |
| Trigger7 | spiroo: either find an app and start hacking, work on packages, or if you want to start coding at the beginning: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development | 18:57 |
| spiroo | ScottK: As much as I can yes I would say, but I have not been able to get internet work there. Because there is no support for GlobeTrotter modem. | 18:58 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 18:58 |
| vorian | any ideas as to how to correct this error? | 18:59 |
| vorian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55008/ | 18:59 |
| ScottK | My general advice is to dive in, find bugs that annoy you, and see if you can figure out fixes. If you get fixes, we can help you package them. | 18:59 |
| spiroo | So I am quite handicaped for the moment :D I would like to test more apps, like Amarok 2 :) | 18:59 |
| ScottK | vorian: You're probably missing s ($CURDIR)/ in your debian rules. | 19:00 |
| spiroo | ScottK: Allright, seems like a good idea :) Is it good to design new interfaces, or develop new ideas. I mean for the moment I quite does not know anything behind Linux/KDE4, feels like it anyway :P | 19:01 |
| ScottK | I think when you are starting, it's best to try and gain understanding of what's there already through small bug fixing. | 19:01 |
| vorian | ScottK: they are all over in rules | 19:03 |
| vorian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55009/ | 19:03 |
| spiroo | ScottK: ok, hmm but then where does KDE lack mostly for the moment, where do we need better support, generally I mean. | 19:03 |
| ScottK | spiroo: KDE4 is just released and so could probably use some help most everywhere, but I'm not the best person to answer. | 19:04 |
| spiroo | ScottK: allright, yes personally I would like to better up the GUI. | 19:05 |
| spiroo | ScottK: And use more OOP and develop out from the MVC model structure. MVC is mostly for the web, but I would say it could work inside a OS also. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | vorian: DMARBLE_DATA_PATH=/usr/share/marble/data ... is that right? | 19:07 |
| nixternal | spiroo: it sounds like you have asperations to become an upstream developer :) | 19:07 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Let him start out as a downstream bug fixer... | 19:07 |
| spiroo | Model = Internet or maybe the hardware, you read the hardware inside the Control Layer, which then from the analyze attach different methods and so on. Then we have the view-layer which should work as a application or grapgics layer. | 19:08 |
| nixternal | well MVC got its start with the GUI, it isn't until recently that MVC implementations have been making their way to web2.0 frameworks | 19:09 |
| nixternal | for the time being, Qt4 is out MVC framework...yeeeehawwwwww | 19:09 |
| vorian | hmmmm | 19:09 |
| vorian | looks like /usr/shar/new/marble/data | 19:09 |
| spiroo | hehe :) | 19:11 |
| ScottK | vorian: That error makes me think rules is trying to install outside it's chroot. I suspect if you add curdir on the front of that it'd work, but I'm not sure. | 19:11 |
| * nixternal kicks eric, the python ide | 19:11 | |
| vorian | hmmk | 19:11 |
| * nixternal can't wait for the python plugin for kdevelop to be complete..speaking of which, I need to check up on its progress | 19:12 | |
| vorian | so like this | 19:13 |
| vorian | DMARBLE_DATA_PATH=$(CURDIR)/usr/share/marble/data | 19:13 |
| ScottK | That's my thinking. | 19:13 |
| vorian | werd | 19:14 |
| * vorian tries it out | 19:14 | |
| gribelu | i'm giving up.. can't get a multirow taskbar.. opensuse people rule :| | 19:16 |
| aantipop | uhm | 19:16 |
| aantipop | its in 4.1 branch i did read | 19:16 |
| gribelu | opensuse backported it to 4.0 .. panel resizing (with config file) was backported by the kde people.. panel resizing is easy to back port, i have it with UI and all no problem but multi-row tasks that's hard | 19:18 |
| vorian | ScottK: that did the trick on that error | 19:19 |
| gribelu | anyone smarted than me want to try it? | 19:19 |
| vorian | thanks | 19:19 |
| gribelu | d/r | 19:19 |
| vorian | (there are now a few more like that to fix) | 19:19 |
| ScottK | vorian: You understand what was wrong? | 19:19 |
| vorian | not exactly | 19:20 |
| vorian | but I know that the $(CURDIR) allowed the dir to be created | 19:20 |
| vorian | I rebuilt and got the same error on another path | 19:20 |
| ScottK | Because it made it a relative directory entry in the package. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | It's like the difference between ls /etc/group an ls etc/group. | 19:21 |
| vorian | ah! | 19:21 |
| vorian | ok, that makes sense | 19:21 |
| ScottK | Of course I picked a dumb example of ls'ing a file, but you get it. | 19:21 |
| vorian | sure | 19:22 |
| smarter | gribelu: multirow taskbar is in kdebase-workspace 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu2, isn't it? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-February/006256.html | 19:28 |
| gribelu | smarter: is it in there? i wouldn't know.. i haven't updated since hours ago | 19:29 |
| vorian | ok, icon install problem | 19:30 |
| vorian | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55011/ | 19:30 |
| gribelu | y | 19:30 |
| gribelu | the "y" was actualy intended for my dist-upgrade sorry | 19:30 |
| smarter | gribelu: " Added: kubuntu_401_plasma_taskbar_multirow.diff which adds multirow" | 19:31 |
| smarter | but the packages have not finished to build ATM | 19:31 |
| gribelu | ah | 19:31 |
| gribelu | i shall kill whoever did it though... if it works... | 19:32 |
| gribelu | just for fun | 19:32 |
| smarter | The changelog says apachelogger ;) | 19:32 |
| gribelu | he be crippled then.. you are a good friend! | 19:33 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: speaking of which, did you by chance test your patches? I just built and installed and now I can't boot into KDE 4, SEGFAULT | 19:33 |
| nixternal | it says "FATAL ERROR: QUIT STEALING FROM TRUNK!" | 19:33 |
| nixternal | :P | 19:33 |
| smarter | (: | 19:34 |
| nixternal | hehe | 19:34 |
| gribelu | smarter: resizing came easy, with or without UI, but the multi-row taskbar was complicated.. it looked hard to me anyway | 19:34 |
| nixternal | I am beginning to think, there is no IDE better than Eclipse | 19:34 |
| smarter | KDevelop, QDevelop? | 19:35 |
| Tonio_ | toma: ping ? | 19:35 |
| nixternal | neither are as good as Eclipse unfortunately | 19:35 |
| toma | Tonio_: pong | 19:35 |
| nixternal | I like Eclipse because there isn't a language you can't code in with it | 19:35 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I've been playing for hours with kdesudo-kde4 | 19:36 |
| nixternal | I can switch from a C++/Qt environment, right into a Java/Swing or Java/Qt environment, right into a JavaScript environment, into Python, Ruby, and anything else you can think of | 19:36 |
| nixternal | Erlang, Ocaml, and the list goes on | 19:36 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I couldn't find a way to write to the stdin of a kde4 kprocess..... | 19:36 |
| vorian | so can I add something like this to the icon path -DICON_INSTALL_DIR=$(CURDIR)/hicolor/128x128/apps/ | 19:36 |
| Tonio_ | toma: stdin, not stdout, that's my problem | 19:36 |
| Tonio_ | toma: you told me you knew how to do this, so any idea ? | 19:36 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I would really like to avoid using a k3process for the port.... | 19:37 |
| toma | Tonio_: hmm, no. | 19:37 |
| toma | Tonio_: i thought you asked stdout then | 19:37 |
| smarter | vorian: IIRC, $(CURDIR) is where you are located when you run dpkg-buildpackage, I don't think you want to install things here :) | 19:37 |
| Tonio_ | toma: what to do then ? ask kde-devel channel ? | 19:37 |
| toma | Tonio_: so you want an application to wait and get input? | 19:37 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I'm affraid that'll need a kprocess class modification, btw | 19:38 |
| Tonio_ | toma: yep | 19:38 |
| toma | Tonio_: that should be standard c functionality | 19:38 |
| Tonio_ | well sdo already does | 19:38 |
| Tonio_ | toma: the way kdesudo works is this : | 19:38 |
| Tonio_ | sudo is started in a kprocess, waiting for the password on stdin | 19:38 |
| Tonio_ | then the password is set via the kpasswddialog and sent to sudo via kprocess::writestdin | 19:39 |
| Tonio_ | simply that way | 19:39 |
| Tonio_ | everything is there for kdesudo to work on kde4, not that much is to be done now, except that stdin writing....... | 19:40 |
| Tonio_ | toma: any chance you can help us on that point ? | 19:40 |
| Tonio_ | I might not be able to help | 19:40 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: There's a Klamav 0.42 out. Mind if I upload it? | 19:40 |
| vorian | w00t! | 19:40 |
| vorian | that did the trick | 19:40 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK please do ! | 19:41 |
| toma | Tonio_: ok, so the sudo command waits for input, right? | 19:41 |
| toma | Tonio_: i mean, you want to pass the info from the password dialog back to sudo | 19:42 |
| Tonio_ | toma: listens on stdin, right, inside the kprocess | 19:42 |
| Tonio_ | true | 19:42 |
| Tonio_ | the writestdin was the ideal way to do that with kde3 | 19:42 |
| toma | Tonio_: ok, where is that code again? | 19:43 |
| Tonio_ | toma: gimme just a minute | 19:44 |
| Tonio_ | I'm fixing a little bullshit in the code and give you the link | 19:44 |
| toma | okido | 19:44 |
| Tonio_ | bzr checkout bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4 | 19:48 |
| Tonio_ | toma: here it is | 19:48 |
| nixternal | Snowrate for the Chicagoland area as of 13:45: 2 to 3 inches of snow per hour | 19:48 |
| Tonio_ | toma: you should even have commit permissions now | 19:48 |
| nixternal | jjesse_: man do you have a mess coming your way | 19:48 |
| Tonio_ | toma: see "pushPassword" in the code, that's where I can get and display the password given in the box..... | 19:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: now I just need to be able to push it stdin... | 19:49 |
| toma | ok | 19:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: just re-commited something, now it builds, so you don't have to waste your time for test....... | 19:51 |
| toma | Tonio_: ah, i cant do tht chechout | 19:51 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hu ? | 19:51 |
| Tonio_ | what does it say ? | 19:52 |
| toma | Tonio_: http://rafb.net/p/AtVJxn80.html | 19:52 |
| Tonio_ | bzr checkout bzr+ssh://<your_lp_id>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4 | 19:52 |
| toma | bzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar pack repository format 1 (needs bzr 0.92)\n' | 19:53 |
| toma | I've bzr 0.90 | 19:53 |
| Tonio_ | toma: then : bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4 | 19:54 |
| Tonio_ | read only should work | 19:54 |
| Tonio_ | if not I'll send you a tarball | 19:54 |
| Tonio_ | toma: works ? | 19:55 |
| toma | Tonio_: no, i asked the mandriva guys to help me and i think they are fixing it | 19:56 |
| Tonio_ | fixing what ? kprocess ? | 19:56 |
| Tonio_ | toma: sorry but I didn't get you there, what are they fixing ? | 19:57 |
| toma | a package >=0.92 | 19:57 |
| toma | backporting bzr | 19:58 |
| Tonio_ | toma: HO you use mandriva now ? | 19:59 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't knew this :) | 19:59 |
| Tonio_ | toma: want a tarball maybe ? That'll be easier :) | 19:59 |
| toma | yep, for a while now. it was at that moment that gutsy was not an option and I was not that happy with feisty | 20:00 |
| toma | can't recall the exact details | 20:00 |
| Tonio_ | hehe okay ;) | 20:00 |
| MaximLevitsky | Ridell, I am back (to annoy you :-) ) | 20:01 |
| vorian | so, what are we using instead of interdiffs for updates? | 20:01 |
| Tonio_ | toma: http://toniox.org/temp | 20:02 |
| Tonio_ | toma: once again, thanks for your great help ! | 20:02 |
| Tonio_ | once that's done, if you succeed, I can handle the rest | 20:03 |
| toma | yw | 20:03 |
| * apachelogger_ throws parts of the universe at nixternal | 20:07 | |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: no need to, people in North America are waiting for parts of the universe to fall on us | 20:07 |
| nixternal | well at least a spy satellite | 20:07 |
| toma | Tonio_: ok, they backported 1.1 and now i've a checkout | 20:08 |
| * apachelogger_ notes that nixternal would be able to control spy satellites | 20:08 | |
| Tonio_ | toma: super ;) | 20:08 |
| apachelogger_ | question is, why doesn't nixternal do | 20:08 |
| nixternal | I am working on a plasmoid to do just that now :) | 20:08 |
| smarter | maybe they're running windows | 20:08 |
| smarter | that explains why it's falling :} | 20:08 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: interessting approach | 20:09 |
| nixternal | ya, a plasmoid and a wiimote | 20:09 |
| nixternal | world domination I tell ya | 20:09 |
| smarter | wiimote FTW | 20:09 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: essentially I tend to think that windows is actually some how part of the universe | 20:09 |
| nixternal | seeing as 95% of the universe uses it :) | 20:10 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: pfft, world, you could urge for much greater | 20:10 |
| ryanakca | hmm... *wonders when the showdown between the PSOD and plasmoid+wiimote will be* :) | 20:11 |
| smarter | PSOD? | 20:11 |
| ryanakca | pointy stick of doom (TM) ? | 20:11 |
| smarter | Planetary Screen of the Death? :) | 20:12 |
| ryanakca | lol | 20:12 |
| apachelogger_ | all these tools | 20:12 |
| vorian | Riddell: marble updated w/ bug #189675 | 20:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 189675 in marble "new upstream release for marble 0.5.1" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189675 | 20:13 |
| * apachelogger_ gets himself a sonic screwdriver | 20:13 | |
| apachelogger_ | way cooler than the psod and the plasmiimote | 20:13 |
| ryanakca | lol | 20:14 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Upstream removed the automatic update functionality for Klamav/Clamav from Klamav, so we don't have to patch it anymore. | 20:14 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK, good news, I suggested him to do so, but never got any response... | 20:14 |
| smarter | yay for screwdrivers :) http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8f52/ | 20:15 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger_: if you give me a few hundred euros/$, I could probably make you a chainmail hauberk with a Kubuntu Logo inlay... you could be a Kubuntu knight :P | 20:15 |
| ryanakca | lol | 20:15 |
| * ryanakca wonders where you could find screw drivers with all those heads | 20:15 | |
| apachelogger_ | mhhh | 20:16 |
| apachelogger_ | soncis crewdrivers are still better | 20:16 |
| apachelogger_ | -s somewhere | 20:16 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: The Changelog credits a Gentoo patch. Maybe he just finally heard it enough. | 20:17 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK, possibly :) | 20:17 |
| MaximLevitsky | Riddell, you told me to email kevin kofler about that fix in kdm. I assume he is the autor of kdm support for consolekit, but I don't know his email | 20:21 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: google for 'kevin kofler'... | 20:22 |
| Lure | MaximLevitsky: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KevinKofler | 20:22 |
| * Lure got it by ryanakca method ;-) | 20:23 | |
| Riddell | MaximLevitsky: he is, I don't know his e-mail either | 20:23 |
| ryanakca | MaximLevitsky: when it comes to open source people... if they've been involved for more than a month... you can pretty much garantee that you can find their email, and possibly a bio/wiki page on google :) | 20:24 |
| MaximLevitsky | Thanks a lot | 20:24 |
| * apachelogger_ searches for himself on google | 20:25 | |
| lontra | what's the difference between the ppa kde3 packages and the regular ones in kubuntu? | 20:25 |
| jpatrick | lontra: ppa has hardy updates | 20:25 |
| lontra | jpatrick: here it says gutsy updates too ... i only notice it b/c i got my kde4 packages from ppa and haven't commented it out | 20:26 |
| lontra | are they ok to upgrade to? | 20:26 |
| jpatrick | lontra: must be bug fix, yeah | 20:26 |
| ScottK | That or a test gone wrong and never uploaded. | 20:28 |
| ScottK | I wouldn't make assumptions. | 20:28 |
| apachelogger_ | haha | 20:28 |
| apachelogger_ | http://freshpatents.com/Harald-Sitter-Chables-invdirs.php | 20:28 |
| lontra | ScottK: so is it best to comment that out except for updating kde4 packages? | 20:29 |
| Nightrose | Try the following: | 20:29 |
| Nightrose | 1. In your home directory create a file called ".xinitrc" | 20:29 |
| Nightrose | 2. In ".xinitrc" place the following line: | 20:29 |
| Nightrose | sorry ;-) | 20:29 |
| ScottK | lontra: I really have no idea. I wouldn't install from a PPA unless I knew why I wanted that package. For the KDE4 stuff you know that. | 20:30 |
| * apachelogger_ doesn't know that app | 20:30 | |
| apachelogger_ | sorry sounds kinda stupid anyway | 20:30 |
| Nightrose | meh apachelogger_ :P | 20:30 |
| lontra | ScottK: thanks ... would you say ppa is analogous to debian's experimental repo? | 20:30 |
| ScottK | lontra: No. Experimental is highly controlled in comparison. | 20:31 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: that doesn't sound very flattering :P | 20:31 |
| apachelogger_ | we didn't broke the ppa once | 20:31 |
| ryanakca | <offtopic> hmm... did that falcon-the-language vs falcon-the-package-archive-util issue ever get resolved? </offtopic> | 20:31 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: It's not wrong though. | 20:31 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: Yes | 20:31 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: :) | 20:31 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Any LP user can create a PPA and upload anything to it. It's not limited to actual developers | 20:32 |
| ScottK | Not saying the KDE team PPAs aren't good, but that PPAs in generally are uncontrolled 3rd party repositories. | 20:32 |
| apachelogger_ | true | 20:32 |
| lontra | thanks that helps me understand PPAs a bit better | 20:33 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: wouldn't that cause support issues (having PPA open to all)... thinking back to all that "we don't support 3rd party packages!" trouble in #ubuntu last year or something? Not that PPA for everybody is a bad thing.... might pull people into packaging... meh :) | 20:33 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: hold me - I feel like crying :/ | 20:33 |
| apachelogger_ | ryanakca: it is open to all | 20:34 |
| apachelogger_ | Nightrose: why? | 20:34 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger_: yes, sorry, s/wouldn't/doesn't/ | 20:34 |
| ScottK | ryanakca: I think it's a very bad thing. We don't support 3rd party packages, but it's almost impossible for the average user to tell the difference any more. | 20:34 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: borked my desktop system this morning - reinstalling now and it takes ages | 20:35 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: imho, most people associate anything on launchpad to "official Ubuntu" | 20:35 |
| apachelogger_ | Nightrose: why did you do that? | 20:35 |
| ScottK | Exactly. | 20:35 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: oh I felt like it | 20:36 |
| Nightrose | :P | 20:36 |
| apachelogger_ | cool | 20:36 |
| * apachelogger_ never does | 20:36 | |
| MaximLevitsky | Riddell, I emailed Kevin Kofler, and he already answered me | 21:19 |
| MaximLevitsky | He says that kubuntu version of consolekit is outdated, and that the fix for XDMCP isn't good. | 21:21 |
| MaximLevitsky | The right fix is to use latest version of consolekit he posted at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147790 | 21:21 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 147790 in general "RFE: ConsoleKit support in KDM (preliminary patch provided)" [Wishlist,New] | 21:21 |
| toma | Tonio_: ping | 21:22 |
| toma | Riddell: when i do a bzr commit, is it pushed to the server automatically ? | 21:23 |
| stdin | toma: no you need to do bzr push | 21:23 |
| toma | stdin: no push location known or specified | 21:24 |
| hads | Give it the push location once and it will remember it. | 21:24 |
| stdin | ah, then you need to give it one. but it'll remember it after | 21:25 |
| toma | silly bzr | 21:25 |
| hads | Silly non-mind-reading :) | 21:25 |
| toma | stdin: no new revisions to push | 21:26 |
| stdin | you did "bzr commit"? | 21:27 |
| smarter | afaik, if you've created your branch with checkout it pushes things automatically if you don't specify --local | 21:27 |
| toma | smarter: indeed. I did a new checkout and my changes are there | 21:28 |
| toma | so all is ok | 21:28 |
| toma | Tonio_: i've commited the changes. have fun with it | 21:29 |
| jpatrick | man /me needs a DD.... again | 21:30 |
| smarter | jpatrick: Debian Developer? ;) | 21:31 |
| jpatrick | smarter: yes | 21:31 |
| smarter | jpatrick: could you re-re-ack Bespin please? :} | 21:33 |
| jpatrick | smarter: what did you break this time? | 21:33 |
| jpatrick | and don't lie, /me has debdiffs | 21:34 |
| smarter | jpatrick: nothing, but I uploaded a new revision right after you acked it | 21:34 |
| smarter | :o | 21:34 |
| jpatrick | -Description: Bespin - a very glossy Qt4 widget style | 21:34 |
| jpatrick | +Description: A very glossy Qt4 widget style | 21:34 |
| smarter | Lintian error | 21:34 |
| jpatrick | smarter: bespin and kepas acked | 21:35 |
| smarter | thanks mate | 21:35 |
| jpatrick | anytime | 21:35 |
| MaximLevitsky | What should I do, (I am tried of that bug, seriosly) , Riddell, stdin, .. | 21:37 |
| Tonio_ | toma: you rock ! | 21:42 |
| jpatrick | MaximLevitsky: I suggest sending a message to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com - explaining what the problem is, and how it should be fixed | 21:42 |
| toma | ;-) | 21:42 |
| Tonio_ | toma: and the stdin writting works ? | 21:42 |
| toma | of course | 21:43 |
| Tonio_ | damn, I wish I had your knowledge in coding | 21:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thanks to the help of toma, we may have a working kdesudo-kde4 at time for hardy | 21:43 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 21:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the big problem blocking mhb and myself has been fixed :) | 21:44 |
| * jpatrick wishes he had anyones knowledge in coding | 21:44 | |
| Tonio_ | toma: a.setQuitOnLastWindowClosed( false ); | 21:46 |
| Tonio_ | toma: I've been searching for that one | 21:46 |
| Tonio_ | toma: is that new in kde4 ? We didn't have the problem of quitting that way with kde3 | 21:46 |
| toma | Tonio_: i suddenly remembered that one from rsibreak ;-) | 21:46 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hehe | 21:48 |
| toma | indeed it is new in 4 | 21:48 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 21:48 |
| toma | so basically when the last window is closed the application exits | 21:48 |
| toma | which was the case when the password dialog was closed | 21:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: that's KAppliction specific right ? | 21:49 |
| toma | qapplication | 21:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: well that's not that bad, as it avoids application broken in the background using cpu | 21:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: okay | 21:49 |
| Tonio_ | toma: and p->write(pwd.toLatin1()+"\n"); | 21:50 |
| Tonio_ | I assume write is a qprocess method right ? | 21:50 |
| toma | yes it is | 21:51 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 21:51 |
| toma | you should check that toLatin1() btw, could be toLocal8bit() is better, i don't know | 21:51 |
| Tonio_ | toma: and to understand in details, what did you change in kdesudo.h ? I can't figure out the changes... | 21:51 |
| toma | probably depends on the system locale or something | 21:51 |
| Tonio_ | toma: local8bits might be more compatible globally, especially talking about non latin locales.... I'll make some tests on that point | 21:52 |
| Riddell | MaximLevitsky: update the patch for the newer one | 21:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what was the big problem? | 21:53 |
| toma | Tonio_: ok. about the .h, I've changed the class not to inherit KPasswordDialog, but a QObject, and making the Dialog a member. | 21:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: printing the password to stdin as the new kprocess doesn't have a method for this | 21:54 |
| MaximLevitsky | Riddell, I ask at kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, ok | 21:54 |
| MaximLevitsky | ? | 21:54 |
| Tonio_ | toma: that's something I wanted to do in fact | 21:54 |
| toma | Tonio_: also because of the fact that we don't want the object to be destroyed when the dialog is closed | 21:54 |
| Tonio_ | removing the kpassworddialog inheritance | 21:54 |
| Tonio_ | toma: that was my concern too ;) | 21:55 |
| toma | if that's your intuition, you should do it ;-) | 21:55 |
| dschulz | Riddell: Is appropiated if I ask you something regarding the libqt4-sql package here? | 21:56 |
| Tonio_ | toma: bah because I'm not really a coder, I avoid doing things following my intuition ;) | 21:57 |
| Tonio_ | brb | 21:57 |
| blizzzek | gn8 | 22:02 |
| toma | dschulz: smarter had a problem with that one too. maybe it's the same. | 22:02 |
| dschulz | toma: actually I have no *real* problems at all, just need support for firebird :) | 22:04 |
| smarter_ | and I just need support for anything :) | 22:04 |
| smarter_ | there's no qt sql driver at all here | 22:04 |
| smarter_ | I get this: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" and nothing | 22:05 |
| dschulz | have you installed libqt4-sql ?? | 22:05 |
| toma | smarter: did you try installing the other drivers? | 22:05 |
| smarter_ | dschulz: yes | 22:06 |
| smarter_ | toma: I don't feel like manually compiling Qt4 | 22:07 |
| toma | hu, there should be one for -mysql too | 22:07 |
| dschulz | toma: yes, I would like to have independent packages for each driver | 22:08 |
| smarter_ | I would like to have drivers :) | 22:08 |
| dschulz | smarter: your case is really weird | 22:09 |
| smarter_ | dschulz: are you running hardy? | 22:09 |
| dschulz | smarter: yes | 22:09 |
| smarter_ | qt 4.3.3-0ubuntu2? | 22:09 |
| toma | same version for the -sql ? | 22:10 |
| smarter_ | yes | 22:10 |
| toma | did you ever install qt from svn? | 22:10 |
| smarter_ | nop | 22:10 |
| dschulz | I have not had any problem so far with qt4 | 22:10 |
| smarter_ | do you have a $QT-whatever variable defined? | 22:12 |
| smarter_ | env|grep -i qt | 22:12 |
| toma | smarter: what is the path for qt? | 22:12 |
| smarter_ | I don't have any QT variable defined | 22:13 |
| smarter_ | and my PATH is standard path | 22:13 |
| toma | anyhow, check if you have a plugins/lib/sqldrivers/libqsqlite.so in there | 22:13 |
| smarter_ | there's no lib dir in /usr/lib/qt4/plugins | 22:13 |
| toma | ok, so check what that package installs | 22:14 |
| toma | dpkg -c package.rpm | 22:14 |
| smarter_ | .rpm? | 22:14 |
| toma | .deb | 22:14 |
| toma | whatever | 22:14 |
| smarter_ | :) | 22:14 |
| smarter_ | the libqsqlite.so file is in Qt3, not 4 | 22:14 |
| dschulz | ups.. im running gutsy in this machine, forgot that.. hardy is in my home :S | 22:15 |
| smarter_ | libqt4-sql install /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.3.3 | 22:15 |
| smarter_ | and i have it | 22:15 |
| smarter_ | md5sum af4d530584f43848de06d9f8248ebf41 | 22:15 |
| smarter_ | 181K | 22:15 |
| dschulz | i have 4.3.2, a huge difference | 22:15 |
| toma | ok, try making a symlink in plugins name: lib pointing to that /usr/lib | 22:16 |
| toma | and file a bugreport ;-) | 22:16 |
| === smarter_ is now known as smarter | ||
| toma | or copy the file over the right spot | 22:17 |
| toma | might be safer | 22:17 |
| dschulz | smarter: im just curious, can you try dpkg -L libqt4-sql | wc -l | 22:17 |
| smarter | I copied /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.3.3 in /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/lib/sqldrivers but no luck | 22:17 |
| smarter | dschulz: 16 | 22:18 |
| smarter | the only "real" file installed is the libQtSql.so.4.3.3 | 22:18 |
| dschulz | ok i have 16 too | 22:18 |
| dschulz | smarter: me too | 22:18 |
| smarter | dschulz: env|grep -i qt | 22:18 |
| toma | smarter: did you copy the symling from ~.so to ~so.4.3.3 too ? | 22:19 |
| dschulz | smarter: gives nothing | 22:19 |
| dschulz | smarter: have you tried just reinstalling ? | 22:20 |
| smarter | toma: doesn't work :/ | 22:20 |
| smarter | dschulz: reinstalling what? | 22:20 |
| dschulz | libqt4-sql | 22:20 |
| smarter | I try | 22:20 |
| dschulz | sudo aptitude reinstall libqt4-sql | 22:21 |
| smarter | that's what I'm doing | 22:21 |
| smarter | still doesn't work :( | 22:21 |
| dschulz | i would like to see your c++ code | 22:22 |
| smarter | dschulz: http://pastebin.com/m4ff46a3f | 22:22 |
| smarter | I found it on the firebird bug report | 22:23 |
| jpatrick | lol | 22:23 |
| smarter | jpatrick: ? | 22:23 |
| jpatrick | smarter: just four lines ;) | 22:24 |
| smarter | jpatrick: it's not the size that count! :P | 22:25 |
| toma | smarter: what does a call to QSqlDatabase::drivers () output? | 22:26 |
| jpatrick | < smarter_> I get this: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" and nothing | 22:26 |
| dschulz | smarter: your code works successfully here | 22:27 |
| smarter | dschulz: QSqlDatabase::drivers() outputs nothing | 22:31 |
| toma | k | 22:31 |
| toma | so it does not load the plugins | 22:31 |
| dschulz | smarter: I tried this http://pastebin.com/m692db13c | 22:32 |
| smarter | dschulz: doesn't work | 22:33 |
| toma | smarter: what's the output of QLibraryInfo::location(QLibraryInfo::PluginsPath) | 22:33 |
| smarter | toma: "/usr/lib/qt4/plugins" | 22:34 |
| toma | smarter: ok, so that should hold the sql plugins, does it? | 22:34 |
| smarter | yes, it should but it doesn't :) | 22:35 |
| toma | in lib/sqldrivers | 22:35 |
| toma | it should work when they are in that folder. | 22:35 |
| smarter | off to bed, thanks for the help | 22:36 |
| dschulz | smarter: can you strace ./mytest ? | 22:36 |
| dschulz | smarter: and copy to pastebin | 22:37 |
| smarter | http://pastebin.com/m25f0f9 | 22:38 |
| dschulz | im comparing | 22:43 |
| dschulz | the only difference I see is that every open (3) call returns 3 in my system, and 5 in yours | 22:49 |
| dschulz | in my system: open("/usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 5 | 22:50 |
| dschulz | thats in your system, mine returns 3 | 22:50 |
| smarter | dschulz: ls -l /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4 ? | 22:51 |
| dschulz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-02-06 19:20 /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4 -> libQtSql.so.4.3.2 | 22:52 |
| smarter | same here(except I've 4.3.3 and not 4.3.2) | 22:52 |
| dschulz | smarter: look at this strace ./qtsql 2> out.txt ; grep '/usr/lib' out.txt | 22:56 |
| dschulz | smarter: see how every call to open (3) returns 5 in your system | 22:56 |
| dschulz | i dont know exactly what errno 5 means | 22:59 |
| smarter | I'm not a unix system calls guru :) | 22:59 |
| smarter | according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_(system_call) there's no problem if it's not negative | 23:01 |
| dschulz | aha, but is somewhat strange the difference 3 vs 5 in every call | 23:02 |
| dschulz | have you tried running ldconfig ? just to try | 23:04 |
| smarter | doesn't work | 23:04 |
| smarter | I'm pretty sure it's a bug in latest Kubuntu Qt patch | 23:05 |
| dschulz | me too | 23:05 |
| smarter | anyway, off to bed for real, good night everyone | 23:05 |
| dschulz | try qt4.4 :) | 23:06 |
| dschulz | good night | 23:06 |
| DaSkreech | night | 23:07 |
| mhb | hmm | 23:43 |
| mhb | Riddell: I guess we've forgotten about meetings, haven't we? | 23:43 |
| * mhb votes to have one soonish | 23:44 | |
| coreymon77 | huh? what? | 23:50 |
| coreymon77 | oh | 23:50 |
| coreymon77 | i say we make one at a time that i can make | 23:51 |
| mhb | I say we make me sleep | 23:51 |
| mhb | :o) | 23:51 |
| Riddell | mhb: saturday at 11 it should be | 23:51 |
| mhb | okay, updated the meeting page. | 23:53 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: and when would that be for me? | 23:53 |
| mhb | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx?y=2008&mo=2&d=9&h=11&mn=0 | 23:55 |
| mhb | coreymon77: ^^ | 23:55 |
| claydoh | its an gosh-awful time in the AM for me . EST :) | 23:57 |
| claydoh | 6AM lol | 23:58 |
| coreymon77 | oh come on! | 23:58 |
| mhb | claydoh: well, this one is more Europe-centric | 23:58 |
| coreymon77 | a little later please! | 23:58 |
| mhb | we also do one at 23:00 A.M. | 23:58 |
| claydoh | thats ok | 23:58 |
| mhb | that'll be the one after this one | 23:59 |
| mhb | which means 6PM, I guess you can catch that | 23:59 |
| coreymon77 | i usually eat dinner at 6 | 23:59 |
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