stdinyou can poke Riddell, Hobbsee or jpatrick too. or scream and shout in here until someone looks :p00:00
MaximLevitskyI try :-)00:00
MaximLevitskyI will try :-)00:00
MaximLevitskyThanks a lot00:01
MaximLevitskyBtw, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff00:01
MaximLevitskyThere is a question about binary files in the end of the page00:02
MaximLevitskyWhat do you think about it?00:02
stdinare you adding any binary files?00:04
MaximLevitskyJust want to know what is done in case of this00:06
stdinyou'd have to uuencode any binary file, but that's something you don't need to worry about now00:06
MaximLevitskyLast question, what if I assign tjis bug to Jonathan Riddell, is this ok? , (Most bugzillas has a cc list, but I don't see this in launchpad)00:09
stdinwe (the kubuntu team) get emails from all the bugs in all the KDE packages anyway00:10
yuriystdin: if one subscribes to kubuntu-bugs that is...00:11
stdinyuriy: Riddell does :)00:13
stdinbesides, the bug contact for kdebase (and other kde packages) is "Kubuntu Team", so you only need to be a member of that to get bug emails00:13
MaximLevitskyBut this anoying bug is still unnoticed....00:14
MaximLevitskyI mean the XDMCP allows easly to launch KDE4 in xnest00:14
stdinit was only reported on 2007-12-23, I wouldn't call that unnoticed00:16
MaximLevitskyBtw the debdiff must be applied on top of exactly the same package it was generated, or not00:18
MaximLevitskyThus mine debdiff will be obsolte in few days...., right00:20
stdinwhy is that?00:20
ryanakcakwwii: ping, were you interested in submitting a mockup?00:21
MaximLevitsky stdin, because kdm is a part of kdebase, and this package is updated qute often, (I am on hardy this is...)00:22
MaximLevitskyAnd you say that debdiff won't apply on the modified package00:22
stdin3 updates a month isn't that often00:23
stdinand you'll get your patch into the next update if you upload it00:23
mhbryanakca: hmm00:23
mhbryanakca: I'm not sure you get this Europe thing00:23
mhbryanakca: let me explain: it's real late in Europe00:23
mhbryanakca: 01:22 A.M.00:24
mhbif you were a married man with children, would you be fresh at 01:22 AM ?00:24
mhb(I assume he is)00:24
stdinit's not 01:22 AM where I am, and I'm in Europe ;)00:25
mhbstdin: true, but not in my europe, he's in my europe :o)00:25
stdinI thought it was *our* europe :p00:25
mhbstdin: where are you? uk?00:26
mhbryanakca: anyway, I'm just joking, but I don't think you'll catch him at this time.00:27
mhbryanakca: I hope you're not offended00:27
stdinit is indeed late and I would say my bed was calling me if I wasn't actually lying on my bed now00:28
mndomhb: in portugal is even sooner..~00h28am :)00:28
ryanakcamhb: lol :)00:28
MaximLevitskystdin, actually I need to change a kubuntu patch, not to add one, the bug is in 70_kdm_consolekit.diff00:28
MaximLevitskyFortunialy, I can just edt the patch, since the fix is trivial00:29
ryanakcamhb: I pinged him and then tried to implement a gcd function in C++... incledible how such a simple algorithm (Euclid's algorithm) can give so many errors... all of them syntax of course :)00:29
stdinMaximLevitsky: then just change the changelog comment to "Edited debian/patches/70_kdm_consolekit.diff to fix ... (LP: #????)"00:29
mhbryanakca: that's like two lines00:30
ryanakcayeah, here's what I have :00:30
ryanakcamhb: http://blog.ryanak.ca/gcd.cpp00:31
ryanakcamhb: do you need the 'else', since the function probably breaks after it returns once?00:32
ryanakcagcd.cpp:9: error: invalid operands of types ‘double’ and ‘double’ to binary ‘operator%’00:33
mhbbut it looks nicer :o)00:33
mhbalso, passing double is a bit strange, isn't it?00:33
stdindo you need doubles? rather than int's ?00:33
* ryanakca shrugs and tries ints00:33
ryanakcaheh, I added to change them from 'double' to 'const int'...00:35
stdinif you're passing by reference, use const int&00:35
ryanakcas/int/int&/ :)00:36
MaximLevitskySorry to bother you, with trivial questions, but is this a good changelog entry : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54946/00:36
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: you need -- Your name <youremail> date at the end00:37
stdinthat's a bit verbose too00:37
stdinyou're missing  hardy; urgency=low after the version00:38
mhbhmm, I wonder whether you can pass a % b as a "const int &"00:38
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: you can change "Fixes <launchpadlink>" to "(LP: #bugid)" too, iirc00:38
MaximLevitskyThanks a lot00:38
mhbyou know, you call there a gcd(b, a % b) ... is "a % b" an actual const int& ?00:38
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: and get rid of the "Thanks to <foo> for reporting this", if people are interested, they can probably look at the bug repord...00:38
* mhb shrugs00:38
MaximLevitskyBtw, can changelog entries be autogenerated, like those small things00:39
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: in my most humble opinion00:39
ryanakcalook at dch00:39
stdinsomething like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54947/00:40
MaximLevitskyryanakca, thanks a lot, I just don't like t to take a credit for bug that wasn't fixed by me, but ok I remove the thanks line00:40
MaximLevitskyThanks a lot00:41
ryanakcasee this too, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog :)00:41
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: well, its just my most humble opinion, disregard and check with MOTUs if you want to keep it...00:42
* ryanakca tries to find that debian changelog style guide00:42
* DaSkreech heads home00:54
MaximLevitskystdin, now I get this :00:55
MaximLevitskygpg: skipped "Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>": secret key not availablegpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available00:55
stdindoesn't really matter if you're just making a debdiff00:55
MaximLevitskyGreat, I don't yet have a digital signature00:56
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: have you created your key yet?00:56
MaximLevitskyI am just a ordinary user, I fix few bugs00:57
MaximLevitskyI even fixed few bugs in likux kernel00:57
ryanakcathen you'll want to create one :)00:58
ryanakca!gpg | MaximLevitsky00:58
ubotuMaximLevitsky: gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts00:58
MaximLevitskyI know about it, but I suppose I need to publish a key somehow, right?00:59
MaximLevitskyI played with it few times00:59
stdinyou just upload it to keyserver.ubuntu.com00:59
ryanakcawell, generate the key, then upload it to a keyserver00:59
stdinit'll propagate through all the other servers then01:00
MaximLevitskyWhen I need, I will do that, thanks01:00
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: if you want to upload a package to Ubuntu, you'll need to :)01:00
MaximLevitskyI am sendind just a debdiff01:01
stdinor if you want to use PPAs, those are good to show that your fix works01:01
stdinyou don't need a gpg key just to attach a debdiff though01:01
MaximLevitskyAnd I thought that bugfixing the kernel is hard... just send a patch to LKML...01:03
MaximLevitskyAnd git generales patches....01:04
MaximLevitskyHow does this look now01:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,New]01:11
stdinthat's better01:16
MaximLevitskyThanks everyone01:33
stdinbye \o01:34
david_edmundsonhey guys. Just read a blog post, by  Richard Johnson, that said anyone wanting to help with Kubuntu should stop off here01:35
david_edmundsonmy exams finsihed as of 4:00, and now I've got plenty of time free and I want to hack on things!01:35
david_edmundsonI can do C++ programming, I've been helping out on Dragonplayer doing tiny fixes, but that's kindof in a really dull feature freeze time. Anything I can help with?01:36
ScottKdavid_edmundson: Welcome.01:38
ScottKdavid_edmundson: Where are your interests?01:38
david_edmundsonmaking KDE4 awesome01:39
david_edmundsonadding tiny features/bug fixing to stuff is really where I'm probably best at01:40
david_edmundsonrather than anything massive01:40
ScottKAre you running our KDE4 packages now?01:40
ScottKnixternal: ^^^ Someone wants to help...01:40
david_edmundsonyeah, excpet kdemultimedia which is SVN for dragonplayer01:41
ScottKI've got to run for a little while.  This is a quiet time of day here, but be patient and don't go away.01:41
david_edmundsonwhen is busy time?01:41
david_edmundsonit's about 1.30 AM here01:41
ScottKBut if you want to dive in, find problems and propose patches, feel free.01:41
david_edmundsonis there a "junior jobs" for KDE4?01:41
ScottKNo need to ask permission.  If you can figure a patch, someone here will help you package it.01:41
ScottKNone of the KDE4 packagers are here right now (mostly they are in Europe).01:42
ryanakcaSaturdays tend to be busier.. 7 - 17h00 EST (UTC-5) tend to be busier too01:42
david_edmundsonok, I just don't want to repeat other peoples work, and having to join a billion mailing lists and IRC channels for each project will get tiresome01:42
ScottKFeel free to either wait for direction or pick out something that's bugging you.01:43
david_edmundsonok will do.01:43
ryanakcaHey Hobbsee :)01:43
ryanakcadavid_edmundson: you could look on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging if you want to find something to package..01:44
* ryanakca => bed :)01:44
* Hobbsee attacks nixternal with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™01:44
Hobbseeoh goody, kde 4.0.1 is on the mirror01:44
ryanakcaoh, there's a 4.0.1 already? *has been falling behind*01:45
ScottKdavid_edmundson: Or look on launchpad for bugs other people have reported.  Since you are a C++ programer, it's probably better you focus on figuring patches and let those of us who package ,package them for you.01:45
david_edmundsonok, shall I patch directly into KDE's svn?01:46
david_edmundsonor through launchpad01:46
HobbseeScottK2: why?  if ti didn't change any existing functions at all, just added more?01:46
ScottKdavid_edmundson: Depends on what it is.  If it's a big impact patch, I think we'd like it here to get it out.01:46
ScottKHobbsee: Gotta run.  Back later.01:47
david_edmundsonta ScottK bye01:47
HobbseeScottK2: for debian, i think you want dch -Ui01:47
Hobbseeapachelogger_: no, they can't blacklist.  they can't even cancel builds01:47
dasKreechhi Hobbsee01:58
HobbseeScottK2: now the stick *does* know about KDE4, and has used it.  you can't stand in for it.02:00
dasKreechHobbsee: Aww he makes a decent beating stick02:01
* Hobbsee beats dasKreech02:03
* dasKreech eeps02:03
dasKreechWat haz I do ?02:04
HobbseedasKreech: i'm proving that The Stick is better for beating.  and you didn't fix all the kde4 bugs.02:04
dasKreechNo one fixes all the KDE bugs02:05
dasKreechit's a thin excuse we use to fly around to drinking part^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H KDE Gatherings02:06
* dasKreech would much rather be poked and prodded by Hobbsee than KDE.*02:08
ScottKHobbsee: I'll gladly step back.02:40
Hobbseeor you can jus tborrow the stick02:41
ScottKK.  I'll remember that.02:41
ScottKBTW, my thing about dch is I think modifying our tools to support 3rd party repositories is a big deal that should have been discussed.02:41
Hobbseethis is true, but PPA's are kinda different02:42
ScottKThey are part of LP, but not part of *buntu02:43
ScottKI also think that if we are going to support it, we ought to have some discussion about what the rules should be for versioning, naming, etc.02:44
Hobbseewell, feel free to put up a discussion at ubuntu-devel@l.u.c if you like02:44
ScottKI will, but probably not today.  It'd have been nicer to do it before, but better late than never.02:46
jjesseincluding in the Home directory the folders Documents, Videos, Music , etc is part of what again?02:53
jjessealso do you conside the different parts of the application launcher as tabs?  i.e. Favorites, Applications, Computer, etc...02:58
* lontra wonders if guidance-powermanager will be updated to new oxygen theme03:18
jjessedid you vote today?03:28
vorianw00t nixternal03:28
nixternalya, I voted at 4, ran the polls until 6, then went to school03:29
nixternaljsut got home03:29
voriannixternal: did you Barak the vote :)03:29
nixternalHELL NO03:29
vorianRomney right?03:29
nixternalHELL NO again :)03:29
jjessei wrote bush in for my vote03:30
nixternalif I was a millionaire, then I would have voted for Romney03:30
nixternalI am surprised by Hucklebee actually03:30
vorianI hate the Huckster03:30
nixternalI thought everyone did as well03:30
vorianhe's nothing but a spoiler03:31
vorianand a religious Bigot03:31
nixternalwith many skeletons in his closet03:31
dasKreechooooh Klosets!03:31
vorianand the other half of his body03:31
nixternalkennedy type skeletons03:31
jjesseaccording to cnn's tracker barak is doing well03:31
nixternalya, but hillary will eventually chew him up and spit him out03:31
vorianor kill him03:32
nixternalhrmm, kde4-style-bespin was rejected, and smarter isn't here03:32
voriannixternal: I got the upstream to fix the COPYING file for lemon03:33
vorianIt has all 3 licences now03:33
jjessesaw that obama has 10 states vs. 6 for clinton, Hucakbee 6 states, Romney 3 states, McCain 6 states03:34
nixternalya, but clinton has the big states, though obama gained 80+ delegates I think03:35
nixternalit will be close03:35
vorianif Romney is out, I'm going to Barak the vote03:35
jjessedon't blame me i voted for paul03:35
vorianwe don't vote until March 403:35
vorianbut shoot, we could be in ww3 by then03:36
jjessemichgian's delegates don't count as the state moved things up and the parties decided not to count our delgates03:36
jjessewhy ww3?03:36
vorianits the only way bush can stay president :P03:36
vorian(unseen winks an nods)03:37
jjessehrmm will locking the deskopt in KDE4 be fixed before release of 8.04?03:38
jjessei love working with large documents and tracking changes03:40
jjessemakes it easy to read03:40
jjessekrunner is what is displayed when you alt+f2 correct?03:43
nixternaljjesse: I see you are working on the book tonight :)03:43
jjesseyes i am03:43
nixternalthe Edubuntu chapter is not going to be fun03:43
nixternalthere is a lot of work that I have to get done by next week03:44
jjessei have a lot of work that needs to be done03:44
nixternaland there are still quite a few issues with Edubuntu and its future03:44
nixternaljjesse: correct03:44
jjessei think i'm doing a KDE4 version for the book and then a kde 3 version linked off a web page03:44
nixternalkrunner = alt+f203:44
jjessethe future of Edubuntu?  i thought it was gaining a lot of traction?03:44
nixternaloh, it isn't going anywhere03:44
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nixternalit is just the way it will be made available03:45
nixternalw00t, there is the other Kubuntu document dude03:45
nixternalwasabi robotgeek03:45
jjessehola robotgeek03:45
robotgeekhey nixternal, jjesse03:45
nixternalEdubuntu will supposedly be an addon CD for Ubuntu, LTSP is leaving the Edubuntu CD and going over to the Ubuntu Alternate CD03:45
nixternalstuff like that03:45
robotgeekjust back from my trip from India.03:45
nixternalwhich, if you read the Edubuntu chapter, like 60% or more is LTSP03:46
nixternaland after further discussions with the editor, I could tell they know absolutely nothing about *buntu :)03:46
nixternalrobotgeek: how was the trip?03:46
jjesseyou mean debra?03:47
robotgeeknixternal: short and hectic. looks like i am still jetlagged. i dozed off and woke up just now when a friend called03:47
jjesseseems pretty smart to me, she was at UDS Boston for 2 days03:47
jjessei love how it seems in one version we go with Manage Packages (Adept Manager) and then in a different version we go with Adept (Manage Packages)03:47
jjessemakes things great03:48
nixternalya, I want to doze off myself, I think we are supposed to have a MC meeting early in the morning03:48
nixternaland we are under a heavy snow warning right now03:48
nixternal12+ inches03:48
Hobbseeslacking off the MC already?  :P03:48
jjesse10 inches tonight03:48
nixternalif we get that amount of snow, then yes...I will have a ton of snow blowing to do03:48
* jjesse has a plow guy03:49
nixternaland my parents, no they can't have a normal driveway, they have a nice HUGE rounded driveway03:49
nixternaltypically takes 4 hours with the snow blower with 3 to 4 inches of snow03:49
nixternalwell, I had a plow for my truck that I kept in the UHaul storage, but someone broke into it a couple of months back and stole everything out of it03:50
nixternalie. they stole my 486 that was running Debian Potato03:50
nixternalthat was my first computer to I ever bought in 199403:50
jjessecan you still get updates for potato :) :)03:50
nixternalI have no idea03:50
nixternalI booted it up last summer to see what was on it03:50
nixternala lot of Linux Documentation Project files03:51
jjessein case anyone cares03:51
jjesseCLINTON: AR, MA, MO, NY, NJ, OK, TN03:51
jjesseOBAMA: AL, CT, DE, GA, ID, IL, KS, MN, ND, UT03:51
jjesseHUCKABEE: AL, AR, GA, MO, TN03:51
jjesseMCCAIN: AZ, CT, DE, IL, NJ, NY, OK03:51
jjesseROMNEY: MA, ND, UT03:51
nixternalheh, I grabbed the Republican ballot, and 2 of my friends from high school were on it running for some local board stuff03:52
dasKreechnixternal: mail me some edubuntu docs if you want me to proof read. I haven't been keeping up with edubuntu it seems03:53
nixternalhey, someone had a good idea for the wallpaper... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals  <-- Riddell - the Elephant Blue ones, I use them on my desktop and it does look really sharp, though I change up the super bright kicker03:53
nixternaldasKreech: I need to write something first :)03:54
nixternalright now I just went through and did s/10/9/03:54
jjessethat elephant blue one is cool03:54
nixternalI have to go to the book store tomorrow and read through the chapter making sure the screenshots can stay or go03:54
nixternaljjesse: ya, it looks really good too03:54
jjessegrin you don't ahve a copy of the latest version?03:54
nixternalit totally fits the *buntu as well03:54
nixternaljjesse: no, I gave mine away at the gutsy release event03:55
jjessebtw debra said that currently the official bubuntu book is the most popular selling linux book out there03:55
nixternalyou want to hear something funny about that jjesse?03:55
nixternalthe guy who wanted the book just for the Kubuntu chapter, so I think Eddie told him I was Jonathan Jesse, so I signed it as you :p03:55
jjesseha that's awesome03:55
jjessemy co-workers give me crap about the book all the time03:56
jjessethey make me sign there copies03:56
nixternalhaha, that rocks03:56
nixternalnetsplit on oftc just filled up my screen03:56
jjessehrm now on to the part about upgrading between gutsy w/ kde4 to hardy w/ kde403:59
nixternalsudo apt-get dist-upgrage :p03:59
jjessewill update_notifier still let you knwo  htere is a new version upon release date?03:59
nixternalI have updated like that since Dapper and have yet to hit a snag03:59
nixternalalthough I do it from Stable -> Unstable...Stable -> Unstable....Stable...you get the idea :)03:59
jjesseupdate_notifier and adept_updater bombed on the feisty -> gutsy release03:59
nixternalhave no clue on that yet04:00
nixternalfor KDE 3 I am sure...for KDE 4 don't count on it, but don't count it out either04:00
nixternalonly doing KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 4 -> KDE 4 for Hardy, don't think we will attempt KDE 3 -> KDE 4 just yet04:00
nixternalisn't necessary anyways until Hardy+104:00
jjessethat's what Riddell told me, no kde 3 to kde 4 automagic update04:01
jjesseawesome, complete re write of system settings sectin, inlcuding how to manage users requires system settings kde304:01
nixternaldude, you have it easy, at least you know 100% what you are writing about and at least 75% of what to expect04:03
nixternalI know about 75% of what I am writing about and about 10% of what to expect04:03
nixternalhell, the devs only know 15% of what to expect :p04:03
dasKreechnixternal: no I mean any links to discussions the edubuntu guys had or release notes or something04:08
nixternal#ubuntu-meeting is about it04:10
dasKreechThe best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.04:20
ScottKdasKreech: Sure.  It totally sucks.  It's just better than the other choices.04:22
nixternalman, it is so nice having my guilty pleasure of flash and youtube back in konqi04:22
nixternalthat means I don't have to boot up windows anymore when someone gives me a flash link04:23
dasKreechScottK: Well done :)04:23
ScottKnixternal: Remember our fun with scribus the other day?04:39
ScottKHow come patching the upstream.desktop 'fixed' your icon problem when scribus.install installs the one in the debian directory?04:40
ScottKAnd the problem wasn't your imagination because someone else had filed a bug on it.04:40
ScottKdasKreech: I can paraphrase Winston Churchill with the best of them.04:48
dasKreechScottK: ) I don't count  as the best so don't do it with me you'll dull yourself04:49
ScottKWhat would you say's the best then?04:50
dasKreech!info elisa hardy04:50
ubotuelisa (source: elisa): media center solution. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1 (hardy), package size 10786 kB, installed size 17160 kB04:50
dasKreechScottK: now I'm confused :) what?04:50
dasKreech!info kde4-core hardy04:50
ubotukde4-core (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 core modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB04:50
dasKreechOh sweet it indexs ppas as well04:51
ScottKYou said The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.04:51
ScottKThen I said it sucks but it's better than all the others04:51
dasKreechRight and you picked up the winston churchill and gave me back one04:51
ScottKThen I said I could paraphrase W.C.04:51
dasKreechwith the best of them04:51
ScottKAh.   I see now.04:52
dasKreechI'm not amongst the best of them so I'm not going to start a quote war04:52
dasKreechNow with out heavy wikiquote help :)04:52
nixternalScottK: hahah, scribus was a pita04:52
* ScottK gets it now....04:52
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dasKreechI wonder if sabdfl is on Wikiquote yet04:52
nixternaldoes that quote have anything to do with this picture -> http://static.kdenews.org/jr/mark-shuttleworth-linuxtag.jpg :p05:01
* Jucato silently mumbles as nixternal ruined his day with that pic...05:38
nixternallooks sweet doesn't it? :)05:38
Jucatopfft :P05:38
nixternalor because I didn't sell you out on your fluffy bunny theme :p05:38
Jucatohahah no that pic above ^^ :)05:39
Jucato(the chicago skyline wallpaper is purty...)05:39
Jucatonixternal: as for black and white oxygen icons, I'm not sure, is there still an Advanced tab in the Icons module in System Settings 4?05:40
* nixternal looks05:41
Jucatothere's a "To Gray" effect05:41
Jucatoif it's still there in KDE 405:41
nixternalyes there is05:41
nixternaljust set everything to gray?05:42
nixternaldamn, I might have to give that a shot05:42
nixternalI would have some al capone like kde 4 going on05:42
Jucatolol :)05:42
Jucatohm... we still need the PPA in hardy to install 4.0.1 right?05:43
mi where can i found widget for weather in kde4?05:44
Jucatoshould be in the extragear plasma package if I'm not mistaken (which I usually am...)05:46
mino in extragear05:47
apachelogger_Hobbsee: needs improvement then, I guess :)05:48
* apachelogger_ heads off to school05:48
Jucatohm.... using Code::Blocks to create Qt4 apps... I just find that ironic :)05:50
Jucatomi: not in extragear-plasma? try plasma-playground05:51
Jucatowhere's the most up to date (but hopefully still accurate) packaging guide? still the wiki?05:53
Jucatogood night nixternal!06:03
Jucato(you're early tonight)06:03
miplasma-playground can't be install because kde4base06:16
ScottK2What's the error?06:17
miversion 3.94.006:17
ScottK2That's a version number, not an error.  If that's what you have, I think (I'm not sure) you have to uninstall the pre-4.0 packages and then install 4.0 or
ScottK2Jucato: Do you know?06:18
Jucatomi: you're apparently installing one of the alpha/beta versions of KDE 406:19
mino i install clean kde4 and update in 4.0.106:19
ScottK2Where does 3.94.0 come from then.06:20
miin synaptic say 0ubuntu106:21
Jucatoah yeah... I think plasma-playground has a wrong/bad dependency....06:21
miyes that is right06:22
Jucatowell I'm not really sure where the weather plasmoid is right now, so if it isn't in extragear-plasma...06:22
milol never mind06:22
Jucatomy guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated...06:24
ScottK2mi: Are you on Hardy or using the Gutsy PPA?06:24
miin extragear i can't find then must be in playground then06:24
miScottK2: yes06:25
migutsy sorry06:25
mibut in second pc i have hardy06:25
ScottK2But the problem is in the gutsy ppa?06:26
ScottK2I don't think I can upload to that one.  Sorry.06:29
mii just try 2 install playground in hardy same thing kde4base is not be install :(06:32
Jucatomy guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated...06:32
miok ...i use karamba then06:33
mialpha4 realy look good07:21
santiago-veheh... i still cant make my wifi work in alpha407:37
santiago-vebesides that07:38
santiago-vei'm happy with it :)07:39
* santiago-ve is still running feisty as his main SO but has hardy for testing07:39
mihardy have X11-xcb files ...nice to see this07:41
buzis anyone else seeing kde3 systray icons show up anywhere but on the systray in 4.0.1?08:12
Jucatobuz: the first time I ran it yeah. then I removed the system tray plasmoid, and readded it.. working ok then08:13
Jucatoin fact, first time I ran it, even klipper4 was missing08:13
buznow that you say it...08:13
* Jucato thinks he couldn't survive without klipper...08:14
buzmhh that didnt really fix the issue08:14
buznow i dont see the icons anywhere...08:14
Jucatodunno. that fixed mine :)08:14
Jucatosure you removed the plasmoid?08:14
buzyes it was gone08:15
buzdid you logout after that08:15
Jucatotry adding the plasmoid to the desktop first. (hint, like in kde3, you can only have one system tray running it seems)08:15
buznow klipper shows up08:15
buzbut not the kde3 things08:15
buzsame on the desktop08:16
Jucatohm.. knetworkmanager showed up08:16
buzsmb4k still floats around in the upper left corner08:16
buzi shall try restarting kde08:16
buzmaybe kded is doing something weird08:17
Tm_Thi kids08:17
Jucatoyo gramps!08:17
buzdidnt help either08:18
buzoh great now amarok wont start08:22
buzthere's something wrong with the kde3 session, when i kill klauncher and kded and restart kdeinit it seems to work again08:25
buzyeah definitely something about kde308:27
buznow everything behaves as it should08:27
buzoh another swiss :P08:27
Jucatohm.. swiss miss...08:27
Jucatoheh sorry... totally unrelated08:28
_StefanS_Riddell: here's a screenshot with qtcurve enabled in kde4: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot5.png08:40
_StefanS_apachelogger__: you there?08:40
buzdid the 2 line taskbar not make it into 4.0.1?08:41
Jucatohi _StefanS_!08:41
buztoo bad08:41
_StefanS_hey Jucato08:41
Jucatoafaik it's either only in trunk or will be backported to 4.0.2...08:41
_StefanS_Jucato: yep, craig drummond did a qtcurve style+windeco for kde408:41
Jucatoso we'll be using qtcurve for our kde4 apps?08:42
Jucatoinstead of oxygen?08:42
_StefanS_Jucato: well hopefully on kde3 first.. let me find some screenshots08:42
_StefanS_Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot1.png08:43
_StefanS_Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot3.png08:43
Jucatooh those I saw before. didn't know they'd be going into KDE 408:44
* Jucato thought we were sticking to oxygen08:44
_StefanS_Jucato: well its only if people like it.08:44
_StefanS_Jucato: its just my two cents08:44
* _StefanS_ is not deciding anything08:45
Jucatoah :)08:45
Tm_Tanyone knows what mez wanted some days ago?08:45
Jucatostill it's purty :)08:45
_StefanS_Jucato: its supposed to be a subtle change08:46
_StefanS_Jucato: but with some details, here's new wallpaper also: http://enhance-it.dk/Aquapattern_by_DJMattRicks2.png, it needs some adjustment, but I think it would be nice08:47
buzi like the current one better08:51
buzthis is TOO dull08:51
_StefanS_I think the fractals are depressing :)08:52
_StefanS_and too much 1990's08:52
iRon_StefanS_: yeah.. i don't like it too :)08:52
iRon_StefanS_: i mean one with fractals08:53
_StefanS_iRon: yep I get it :)08:53
_StefanS_iRon: its too dark aswell..08:53
iRonand as for me, qtcurve is much better then oxygen... but plastique is my best theme ;)08:53
_StefanS_iRon: plastique isnt avail in kde4, right?08:54
_StefanS_iRon: oh its is, I see now.08:54
iRon_StefanS_: plastique _only available_ on kde408:54
iRonplastique in kde4 is a bit different from plastik from kde308:54
_StefanS_iRon: I'm kinda confused, because plastik is the only one I have08:55
_StefanS_iRon: in kde4.08:55
iRonbut qtcurve is nice.. and there is qtcurve-gtk08:56
_StefanS_iRon: oh hell, its the style you're talking about :)08:56
_StefanS_iRon: found it.08:56
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miafter update 2 4.0.1 cpu temperature is ok now....3809:05
JucatoPlastique is Qt's default style for Qt 4, inspired by KDE's Plastik of course :)09:05
Jucato_StefanS_: that wallpaper's better than the fractal one I agree :)09:05
_StefanS_Jucato: thank you :)09:06
_StefanS_Jucato: do you understand why icons cant be dragged from the kde4 desktop to, say dolphin ?09:06
_StefanS_Jucato: or is that feature still under development .. ?09:06
Jucatonope, but it works the other way around :)09:06
Jucatonope = I don't know :)09:06
_StefanS_anyway I09:06
Jucatoprobably because once on the "desktop", they're no longer simply icons/files but plasmoids09:07
Jucatoanyway you09:07
_StefanS_Jucato:  spotted a problem in dolphin... we should enable the "Up" button default09:08
Jucatowhat's the problem?09:08
_StefanS_Jucato:  I did a ftp session to my server, and landed in /home/sfs.. but actually I needed to get to /storage, but the back button doesn't have that effect09:08
_StefanS_Jucato:  having the up button makes it work09:09
Jucatoum that's the purpose of the breadcrumbs09:09
Jucatoyou click on the arrow or click and hold on the name to drop down a list of same-level folders09:09
_StefanS_Jucato: yes, but that doesnt give me anything.. have you tried it ?09:10
Jucatolet me verify. is /home and /storage on the same level? as in not /home/storage?09:10
_StefanS_Jucato: there are no breadcrumbs, I can only select the kio09:10
_StefanS_.. /home/sfs, and I need to goto /storage instead.09:11
Jucatoswitch to breadcrumb (the yellow "undo" icon)09:11
_StefanS_yes?? :)09:13
JucatoI see what you mean :)09:13
_StefanS_it cant show it, because it hasnt tried yet :)09:13
* Jucato didn't recall it being like this though09:13
Jucatoah perhaps because of user@hostname...09:13
JucatoAlt+Up works... but yeah.. it's confuzzling...09:14
_StefanS_yep, we need to fix that or else the kio stuff is useless in some regards09:15
Jucatooh well :/09:17
Tonio_Riddell: any idea how the .kde/env/* files parsing is done ?09:27
Tonio_Riddell: gtk-qt-engine is broken on hardy due to the script in env folder not beeing executed....09:27
Tonio_Riddell: should be in startkde, afaicr, but the code seems missing in our current version09:28
JucatoTonio_: does renaming .gtkrc-2.0-kde to .gtkrc-2.0 also fix it?09:29
Tonio_nope, since the standard gtk config is prior to this09:29
Jucatoer.. ln -s I meant...09:29
Tonio_Jucato: this is the reason for that script to exist :) it overrides gtk standard settings while in kde sessiobn09:29
Tonio_Jucato: the point is that startkde script should have changed09:30
Tonio_# Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh09:30
Tonio_# (where <localprefix> is $KDEHOME or ~/.kde, and <prefixes> is where KDE is installed)09:30
Tonio_that part I'd say ;)09:30
Tonio_Jucato: manually executing the code works.........; weird.......09:34
Tonio_Jucato: can you confirm that the env isn't the good for you too ?09:34
Jucatofirefox is the only gtk app I have here... it looks ok... :/09:35
Jucatoalthough I don't even have a ~/.kde4/env/ :D09:35
* Jucato goes in circles09:35
Tonio_Jucato: just run env | grep -i gtk09:35
Tonio_and paste the result here please ;)09:35
Tonio_hum, not kde3 btw ;)09:37
Tonio_but those values are good, right09:37
JucatoI'm on KDE 409:37
Tonio_someone here using kde3 please ?09:37
Jucatolet me logout hahaha09:37
Tonio_Jucato: no way to test on kde3 hardy ?09:37
Jucatothere's always a way :)09:37
Jucatobut I try not to spend too much time on kde3... unless I change the wallpaper right now :P09:38
Tonio_this is what I get, which is not good09:38
Tonio_I don't understand what causes this....09:39
Jucatohm... it's the same here09:39
Jucatobut firefox looks normal.. oh well :)09:39
Tonio_the strange thing is that executing the part of startkde code parsing env gives the good result :09:39
Tonio_% bash test | grep -i gtk                                                                                                                                        [0.08 0.15 - 25% 0%]09:40
Tonio_weird isn't it ?09:40
Tonio_I just copied a part of the startkde script in the test file09:41
Tonio_Jucato: found the fix :)09:59
Jucatoyay! :)09:59
Jucatowhat was it?09:59
Tonio_for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do09:59
Tonio_for file in "$prefix"/*.sh; do10:00
Jucatothat simple?10:00
Tonio_not that simple since due to the previous line : for prefix in `echo "$exepath" | sed -n -e 's,/bin[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do10:00
Tonio_there should have been a /10:00
Tonio_I'm investigating this10:01
Tonio_Jucato: no way............10:06
Tonio_Jucato: it fixes the bug bug I can't seem to understand why that fails in the first attempt....... all values are correct and all variables are valid....10:06
Tonio_when prefix is /home/tonio/.kde/env//gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh -> works10:06
Tonio_when prefix is /home/tonio/.kde/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh > fails10:06
Jucatodon't you just hate when that happens? things get fixed without you knowing how :/10:06
Tonio_yep ;)10:07
Tonio_Jucato: the line failing is  test -r "$file" && . "$file"10:09
Tonio_now I have to figure out why ;)10:09
Tonio_I don't want to workarround without understanding10:09
* Jucato nods10:09
Jucatodoes it fail at test -r or at .?10:10
_StefanS_Jucato: sorry I logged off, and forgot to start konversation again10:21
Jucatoit's ok. I didn't say anything much :P10:21
Jucatowhat was that quick and dirty way to make a .deb? debuild -something?10:21
_StefanS_Jucato: just debuild10:22
_StefanS_Jucato: or do you mean checkinstall?10:22
_StefanS_Jucato: it makes some generic debs10:22
Jucatodebuild -S? or that makes a .dsc?10:22
_StefanS_Jucato: it makes a dsc.. I was told yesterday to use debuild -S -sa .. donno what it means10:23
_StefanS_Jucato: the -sa switch I mean10:23
_StefanS_Riddell: ping?10:23
Jucatoah ok :)10:23
JucatoI could have sworn you teached me something before :)10:23
_StefanS_Jucato: I believe we should fix that Up thingy10:23
Jucatotaught *10:23
_StefanS_Jucato: ah yep, it was something that Riddell told me10:24
Jucato_StefanS_: without any fix from upstream, I guess it's the best thing we could do in the situation (adding the Up button...)10:24
Jucatowithout any patching I mean :)10:24
_StefanS_Jucato: I agree10:24
_StefanS_Jucato: could you check if dolphin in kde3 suffers the same issue?10:25
_StefanS_I uninstalled mine :)10:25
Jucatohahah I'm actually doing that now :)10:25
Jucatoare you spying on me? :D10:25
_StefanS_Jucato: look up and to the right in your room. You'll see a small hole in the wall. There I am, staring at you.10:26
Jucatothere are lots of holes O.o10:26
Riddell_StefanS_: hi10:26
_StefanS_Riddell: we've been discussing the missing Up button in dolphin under kde4. Without it you cant do a ftp session, and go one directory up10:27
_StefanS_Riddell: for instance, I log in to /home/sfs, and need to go to /storage10:28
apache|mobileonly show tasks on desktop: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot85.png - multirow tasks: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot86.png10:28
* apache|mobile is smiling10:28
Jucato_StefanS_: I think this is one instance where D3lphin somehow beats Dolphin... :)10:28
_StefanS_Riddell: but because I havent visited the /root folder I havent got that list in the breadcrumb.10:28
Riddellyes you can, you just click on the directory name in the address bar10:28
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hadsThe up button is the first thing I added :)10:29
_StefanS_Jucato: wasn't that what you tried ?10:29
_StefanS_hey Tonio_10:29
JucatoRiddell: not the same with remote locations. only applicable in local directories10:30
_StefanS_Jucato: spot on.10:30
Tonio__StefanS_: fancy trying to help me understanding the most stupid bug ever ?10:31
Tonio_that's AMAZING10:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: yessir.10:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: shoot10:31
_StefanS_Riddell: try doing a ftp session, my vsftp puts me in the home directory first, and therefore dolphin has no idea that other directories exist.10:31
Riddellworks for me http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/dolphin.png10:31
Tonio__StefanS_: that code fails : http://paste.toniox.org/279410:31
Jucatowb Tonio_10:31
Riddell_StefanS_: I don't see how an up button would fix that10:32
Riddellapache|mobile: nifty10:32
Jucatonot like that. let me upload screenies :)10:32
Tonio_Riddell: I have the weirdest shellscript bug in front of my eyes now :), concerning startkde10:32
Riddellapache|mobile: did you upload a fix to the konqueror embedded issue?10:32
RiddellTonio_: ug, shell10:32
_StefanS_Riddell: look at what Jucato uploads.. its different situation10:32
Tonio__StefanS_: http://paste.toniox.org/2795 that one works10:33
Tonio_I just changed the place / is10:33
Tonio__StefanS_: weirdest is that http://paste.toniox.org/2796 works too10:33
_StefanS_Tonio_: so whats the purpose of the script ?10:33
Tonio_parsing .kde/env10:33
Tonio__StefanS_: but purpose isn't important10:34
Jucato_StefanS_: http://jucato.org/kde/img/d3lphin-wins.png10:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'll try10:34
Tonio_what I done't understand is what can cause the script to fail10:34
Jucatohttp://jucato.org/kde/img/dolphin-loses.png (what's to click?)10:34
_StefanS_Riddell: ^10:34
apache|mobileRiddell: yes, now I'm totally tired because I had to work until 1am ;-)10:34
apache|mobileRiddell: but it wil probably not fix the issue for KDE 310:34
Jucato_StefanS_: did I get you correctly?10:34
_StefanS_Jucato: yep10:34
apache|mobileRiddell: so we need to sort the issue in the KDE mimetype IMO10:34
Tonio_Riddell: to make it simple, startkde kde3 fails to parse .kde/env10:35
Tonio_Riddell: the point is that the test is done that way :10:35
Tonio_Riddell: for prefix in `echo "$exepath" | sed -n -e 's,/bin[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do10:35
Tonio_then for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do10:35
Jucatohaha I bet Riddell's seeing red or yellow :)10:35
Tonio_and then the script is tested : test -r "$file" && "$file"10:35
Jucatothe man of the hour :P10:35
Tonio_Riddell: it fails10:36
Tonio_Riddell: if I change the sed line changing /env/ by /env10:36
Tonio_and then test for "$prefix"/*.sh instead, it works10:36
_StefanS_Tonio_: I need some data in those variables to understand that script and what the output is10:36
Tonio__StefanS_: believe me, all the variables never change in the output10:37
Tonio_is the 3 exemples, all variables are the same, but the test fails10:37
Tonio_fails in the second case.........10:38
Tonio_I thought about chars encoding, but no, that's not the problem10:38
miwhy compiz don't have decoration in kde4 ... i mean kde decoration is kde3?10:38
Jucato_StefanS_:  re starting line 198 of /usr/bin/startkde10:38
micompiz core from git have kde4 decoration10:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: well make sure you enclose the variables in "" and those that are in the lines with other stuff, make them ${var} instead to be sure gets them10:39
RiddellTonio_: it's probably just dash.  feel free to fix10:39
Tonio_I have never seen such a stupid bug10:39
Tonio_Riddell: the test fails when / is written by sed and the variable name is quoted10:39
Tonio_Riddell: otherwise it works.....10:39
Tonio_Riddell: that's just so stupid10:39
Tonio_Riddell: I can patch, of course, but I would have like to understand10:39
Riddellwell it is shell..10:39
Tonio_Riddell: patching kdebase now......10:40
Tonio_Riddell: good explanation ;)10:40
_StefanS_I still dont get it, but who cares :D10:40
Tonio__StefanS_: well with the same variable name, when the ending "/" is written by sed, and the variable is quoted, the file is not found10:40
JucatoTonio_ cares :)10:40
Tonio__StefanS_: don't quote in the "test -r" line -> works10:41
Tonio__StefanS_: get "/" written not by sed, it works10:41
_StefanS_ok then, good.10:41
Tonio_that reminds me of the time working on windows10:41
_StefanS_well shouldn't / be escaped?10:41
RiddellJucato: seems like a bug that can be fixed10:41
Tonio_when you had to learn things without any explanation........ frustrating :)10:41
JucatoRiddell: the Dolphin one?10:41
RiddellJucato: yes10:41
Jucatooooh interesting :)10:42
Jucato_StefanS_: ^^ :)10:42
_StefanS_Riddell: should we pick the sources or add an up button ? :)10:42
_StefanS_be back in 15mins10:43
Riddell_StefanS_: I'd rather not add another UI feature for such a corner case10:46
_StefanS_Riddell: ok, I will look at the sources10:50
_StefanS_apachelogger__: good work on the packages :)10:50
Jucato_StefanS_: or we can file a bug report and let ppenz do the dirty work for us :D10:51
Jucato(of course then we'd have to wait for the next release...)10:51
Tonio__StefanS_: http://paste.toniox.org/279710:51
Tonio__StefanS_: by far the most stupid patch I ever wrote :)10:51
Jucatothat sure beats my 1 line/word patch :D10:52
JucatoTonio_ ftw! :D10:52
_StefanS_whatever works :)10:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: did you see my qtcurve attempts for kde3?10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: nope ;)10:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: because I wanted your opinion on kicker coloring (or not)10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: does it works well ?10:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: indeed.10:54
Tonio__StefanS_: but that require people using both gnome and kde to use qtcurve right ?10:54
Tonio__StefanS_: so they can't have a different gnome apps theme in gnome and kde I imagin ?10:54
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes, you can still select which engine to use for gtk10:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: but we should ofcourse test that10:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: lemme find some screenies10:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: ftp://ftp.enhance-it.dk/snapshot3.png, ftp://ftp.enhance-it.dk/snapshot4.png10:55
gribelui've been using qtcurve for months before i switched to kde4 .. works fine, looks fine10:56
Tonio__StefanS_: yes but is there a way with it that the gtk theme is different in a gnome session and in a kde session for gtk apps ?10:57
Tonio__StefanS_: afaicr, that's not possible10:57
Tonio__StefanS_: I wouldn't like that installing kubuntu-desktop on a gnome machine changes the preferences of the user10:58
Tonio__StefanS_: the big advantage of gtk_qt_engine is that you keep your gtk settings for gnome or xfce, but have specific gtk settings in a kde session10:58
Tonio_without any change in the gnome config10:58
Tonio_Riddell: kdebase uploaded, gtk-qt-engine and ssh-agent should now work11:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok, I we'll have to test that it.11:11
_StefanS_test it.11:11
Tonio_Riddell: any plan to get the -devel guys to give attention to kde by the end of the dev cycle ? cause I feel a bit alone on the kde3 side I must say :)11:11
* _StefanS_ hugs Tonio_ ... there.. there.11:11
Tonio_I am not physically and technically able to handle this alone, and we shouldn't forget that the global kubuntu users will not use kde4 for hardy11:11
Tonio__StefanS_: yep, you're in I'm not all alone, true ;)11:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: hehe11:12
iRonI'm on kde3 too :)11:12
* Jucato wonders what _StefanS_ meant...11:12
Tonio_so talk about what you do :)11:12
Jucatowhen I get back from church in about 1.5 hours... fixing some stuff in Adept...11:13
Tonio_iRon: that might just be an impression, but everyone only talk about kde4 problems and so on..... a lot is still to do on kde3 on the qa/bugfix side11:13
Tonio_iRon: but I'm pleased to know you'r in too :)11:13
JucatoTonio_: they will realize the folly of their ways when Hardy's released.. and then they'll be whining about why KDE 3 was abandoned...11:13
Tonio_iRon: french ?11:14
iRonTonio_: russian :)11:14
Jucatobug 16282911:14
Tonio_iRon: okay, eugene is a typicall french name :) that's why I was asking11:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 162829 in adept "One button not translated to French" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16282911:14
Jucatobug 15502211:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 155022 in software-properties "bad encoding in adept's software sources dialog" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15502211:14
JucatoI had those 2 in my list... waiting for French/Russian guinea pigs11:15
Jucatoer... volunteers ;)11:15
Tonio_Jucato: 162829 is supposed to be fixed11:15
Tonio_Jucato: I fixed it11:15
Tonio_Jucato: but we need news langpacks11:15
Jucatocool :)11:15
Tonio_and we need the pot imported to rosetta, and the french team to translate etc...... no idea if that'll be done at time11:15
Jucatobug 15239611:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152396 in dpkg "[gutsy] adept installation progress report display incorrect message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15239611:16
Jucatohm.. I know I listed a bug with adept batch + language selector somewhere...11:17
Tonio_Jucato: see adept (2.1.3ubuntu19) changelog for details11:17
Jucatothanks I'll check11:17
Tonio_Jucato: you can also of course close the bug :)11:17
Jucatogah! why am I looking at debian/patches!!!11:18
Jucatoah kool saw it. kubuntu_28_fix_updater_makefile_for_translation.diff? :D11:19
Tonio_Jucato: that one was hard to fix I must say, I spent something like 2 days on it :)11:19
* Jucato is lucky to not need localization :)11:20
Tonio_Jucato: that's THE big problem11:20
Tonio_most distro devs don't use a localized distro, and therefore miss all translation related bugs11:21
* Jucato nods11:21
Tonio_that's one of the reasons I force myself to use a french kubuntu11:21
Jucatowell the reason that I don't need a localized version is because there is none :)11:21
Tonio_I used an english one in the past but stopped11:21
Jucatoour "national" language is English :)11:21
Tonio_Jucato: then sources should use an unused lang, like esperanto :)11:22
Jucatohahah :)11:22
JucatoLatin ftw!! :P11:22
Jucatoanyway, I'm gone. catch you later. I have 2 questions for you :P11:22
Tonio_ah ?11:22
Tonio_oki I'll be arround :)11:22
Jucatowell don't force yourself if you need to go :P11:23
Tonio_I don't :)11:24
Hobbseenow, what's a decent kde4 theme?11:38
Riddellany more suggestions for topics at UDS?11:40
iRonRiddell: PolicyKit integration? :)11:41
RiddelliRon: want to come and lead that?11:41
iRonRiddell: I couldn't :(11:42
RiddelliRon: aww, why not?11:42
iRonRiddell: I don't know english well :)11:42
Riddellcould have fooled me11:42
iRonRiddell: and my sallary is too small to come to USD :)11:42
RiddelliRon: we can pay expenses11:42
iRonRiddell: not realy, my english is too bad11:43
iRonI could write and read.. but speak...11:43
Riddellwell we're geeks, even when at a conference we still use irc :)11:45
Tonio_iRon: my english is far from beeing perfect, and I never had any problem at UDS11:46
Tonio_iRon: you have lots of people speaking with different accent and that's perfectly fine :) and as Riddell said, lots of things are done over irc anyway11:46
Riddellor gobby11:48
Tonio_also yes11:49
* Hobbsee swaps over to kde4, now that the 4.0.1 is installed11:49
* Tonio_ tests kde4 to check if the "no effects with ati" bug was resolved11:50
Hobbseeouch.  it's not all installed.11:50
* jussi01 cries cause kde4 still doesnt work properly for him11:51
gribeluumm.. i'm trying to hack something from KDE4 trunk into the current kdebase-workspace package but i'm kind of retarted when it comes to compiling. Is there any way to kind of 'resume' compiling a package where previously an error ocurred?12:09
Tonio_hum no change on my side12:10
Tonio_the only way to get effects is xrendr, but that's slow and unstable12:10
smartergribelu: debian/rules build && debian/rules binary?12:11
gribelusmarter: i don't know what that means? (told you i was retarded) .. I apt-get sourced the package, patched what i needed and now i'm running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b12:14
smartergribelu: instead of doing dpkg-buildpackage, do debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary12:14
gribeluok i shall try that12:14
smarterso the previous build will not be removed(debian/rules clean)12:15
smarterdpkg-buildpackage is just a wrapper around various debian/rules commands12:15
* _StefanS_ starts kde4..12:15
Riddellgribelu: or add -nc  (for no clean)12:16
* _StefanS_ never fails to be impressed with the intel integrated graphics... why isn't alle nvidia/ati like this..12:17
gribeluthanks for the tips. I'm trying to get the latest changes in the plasma panel to make it resizeable and multi-row ... resizing works great by just replacing panel.cpp and panel.h from trunk but multi-row and making the clock/tasks behave is harder12:17
Hobbseeah, yay, kde4 again12:17
Hobbsee_StefanS_: why in particular?12:17
_StefanS_Hobbsee: well effects just works, and they12:18
_StefanS_Hobbsee: are actually pretty fast.12:18
Hobbseenow, if i kill kdesktop, does hte world end?12:18
_StefanS_Hobbsee: "just works" kinda ..12:18
gribeluxrandr is waaay faster than opengl for me on an nvidia 6xxx12:18
gribeluseems stable too12:19
Hobbseehow's the best way to refresh the kde background?12:19
_StefanS_apachelogger__: how dd you adjust the taskbar height?12:21
Hobbseeit's funny.  gnome had nicer font rendering than kde, iirc.  now kde's is far cleaner than gnome's12:24
gribelu_StefanS_: after i replaced the panel containment with the one from trunk there's even a UI to adjust the height and position (top, left etc)12:24
_StefanS_gribelu: from rightclick on the taskbar?12:24
gribeluyes.. right click on the top border, the transparent one12:24
_StefanS_gribelu: hmm well I thought we could do that now that 4.0.1 was available for hardy12:25
_StefanS_gribelu: guess its part of 4.0.212:25
gribelu_StefanS_: no side-effects as far as i can tell.. but positioning the panel on left/right looks like crap because the applets don't know how to behave12:26
gribeluthat's why i'm trying to hack the applets as well12:27
_StefanS_gribelu: do you know of any changes to desktop icons? because they behave really wierd. Cant be dragged into dolphin and such12:28
* _StefanS_ needs to shop for more hardware..12:28
gribelui didn't get to the desktop yet .. not sure12:28
_StefanS_oh i like that display in system settings12:29
gribelu_StefanS_: i actualy have a problem with desktop/panel icons since a few weeks ago. Icons don't respond to clicks so i can't launch anything12:30
gribeluAFAIK no on else has this problem .. might be some weird bug that got stuck in my ~/.kde4 somewhere12:31
_StefanS_gribelu: it seems like that bug where the actions (resize/remove/properties) are now moved with the icons when you align horizontally12:31
_StefanS_gribelu: they kept sticking around in the original places12:31
gribelu_StefanS_: no that's not it.. i can drag them etc.. i just can't launch the file/app/folder when i click/doubleclick12:32
smarterRiddell: I've fixed my bespin package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin12:32
smarterRiddell: the diff looks funny because I updated to the latest revision in svn12:32
_StefanS_gribelu: I was just talking about another bug that sort of got to me :)12:33
Riddell smarter for the debian/copyright fix?12:33
smarterRiddell: yes12:34
Tonio_Hobbsee: how's the best way to refresh the kde background? -> with kde3 : killall kdesktop && kdesktop12:34
smarterRiddell: I also fixed the location of the .themerc file12:34
Riddellsmarter: poke someone into uploading and I can do the archive thing12:34
smarterRiddell: I'll try12:34
HobbseeTonio_: no, kde412:36
* Hobbsee ended up removing all the plasmoids by hand. ugh.12:36
Hobbsee_StefanS_: well done - the qtcurve is looking nice!12:39
_StefanS_Hobbsee: thanks :) we're still adjusting stuff, but I think most can accept it. Kwii is doing something to the buttons on the windows as well (adding a visible top like in previous versions)12:41
_StefanS_Riddell: wow that bug on dolphin just got weirder :)12:41
_StefanS_Riddell: If I log in without using sfs@ in front of the ftp hostname, and login using normal auth dialog I end up in /, if I then activate the url/path box, I end up in my home directory :)12:42
buzi dont think its just dolphin12:56
buzsftp doesnt work in the open/save dialog either12:56
_StefanS_Riddell: its a behavior thing inherited from kurlnavigator..12:57
_StefanS_buz:  ^12:57
buzyeah that exlpains it12:57
_StefanS_dont think i want to be messing with that.12:57
buzwas that around in 4.0? cant remember12:58
buzkonqueror in 4.0 was so broken i couldnt stand to use it for long12:58
buzand as for dolphin, well i dont think i'll ever care for it :P13:00
* ryanakca yawns and looks at the Todo... snow day :D13:01
_StefanS_me too ;)13:01
buzto be fair, dolphin is not quite as bad as finder :P13:01
_StefanS_Tonio_: got any more issues we should look at?13:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: If I can understand them :D13:32
Tonio_kdmtheme works ?13:36
_StefanS_Tonio_: oh my..13:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: nope not really :)13:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: should it still support the debianized  /etc/kdm.d/ ?13:39
Tonio_I'd say yep13:40
Tonio_as for gutsy13:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok then..13:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: I will just convert the patch I did initially.. I know I should've been done with it, but time just flies :)13:41
Tonio__StefanS_: bah it isn't too late ;)13:42
Trigger7gribelu: you can just take the patches from suse btw. they already backported the stuff13:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, try enabling qtcurve style, and load this config: http://enhance-it.dk/kubuntu-new.qtcurve and use crystal as your deco with shadow text enabled.13:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: tell me what you think.13:42
smarter_StefanS_: I don't know if you're aware, but /etc/default/kdm.d has caused lots of problems: bug #13272313:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13272313:45
_StefanS_smarter: I am..13:46
_StefanS_smarter: but thanks for mentioning it13:46
gribeluTrigger7: i don't know much about opensuse.. could you point me to a page that discusses that13:46
Trigger7gribelu: no page, just the src-rpm: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_10.3/src/kdebase4-workspace-4.0.1-22.2.src.rpm13:47
Trigger7gribelu: you can unpack it and find the patches inside. "rpm2cpio kdebase4-workspace-4.0.1-22.2.src.rpm | cpio -vid"13:48
Trigger7but just some of the patches are interesting for debian/ubuntu13:48
gribeluTrigger7: thanks, looking13:49
_StefanS_Trigger7: what patches ?13:49
Trigger7they backported the panel stuff and some more things. namely revisions 770004 769905 769216 769219 769231 769232 769236 769243 769261 769263 769276 769494 76922913:51
Trigger7and made a branch pull to r77090213:51
_StefanS_Trigger7: oh that sounds nice13:51
_StefanS_apachelogger__: did you hear that? ^13:52
_StefanS_or read it rather ;)13:52
seelewhat does the kubuntu logo next to the package name in adept mean?13:52
Trigger7didn't test it yet. no time so far. but i plan to integrate them into the debian packages sooner or later. at least if the rest of the debian team agrees13:52
_StefanS_seele: if its supported officially13:52
Riddellseele: that it's in main "supported"13:52
seeleok.. is it possible to add a tooltip to the icon?13:53
_StefanS_i think mornfall is maintaining it..13:54
seelemaybe ill just submit a bug, gtg to a meeting13:54
Jucatomanchicken was the one who added it13:55
txwikingerwill there be at some point a way to convert .kde to .kde4?13:56
Trigger7you could try "cp .kde .kde4". in theory the config should get updated13:57
gribeluTrigger7: i'm gonna try their patches on kubuntu's package.. maybe it works13:58
Trigger7gribelu: but don't use all of them ;)13:59
gribeluno branding lol13:59
Trigger7you don't want a chameleon in the window boarders ;)13:59
Trigger7and the kickoff patches are also not desired.14:00
gribelui've been patching for more than a day.. would suck to just work with these patches14:01
smarterI'm packaging the Qt4 Bespin style, it includes a config module for kde4, do I have to do something special so that it uses ~/.kde4?14:01
txwikingerTrigger7: No that will prevent kde4 from working14:02
Trigger7txwikinger: what?14:02
txwikingercopying .kde to .kde414:03
Trigger7ok, that's bad. upstream always claimed this should work14:03
txwikingerThere are people who want to keep their configurations of applications, i.e. contact lists etc.14:03
txwikingerI just want to know if eventually this is intended to work14:03
Trigger7smarter: no. normally no chanes are needed14:04
smarterTrigger7: chanes?14:04
Trigger7smarter: changes*14:04
smarterokay, thanks14:05
mornfall_StefanS_: I am not. Not the 2.x series.14:09
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jpatrickstdin: I'm not core-dev14:12
* ScottK2 does some housekeeping ...14:12
stdinjpatrick: I know, I meant for review but was too tired to explain that at the time :p14:13
_StefanS_mornfall: ok, it might be manchicken then :)14:14
nosrednaekimhey everyone14:16
smarterjpatrick: could you please re-ack my Bespin package? ;) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin it got rejected because of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-February/015365.html14:19
jpatricksmarter: of course14:24
smarterjpatrick: thanks14:24
JucatoI can't seem to create a pbuilder :(14:28
jpatricksmarter: as a Qt4 style does it have to recommend kde4?14:28
smarterjpatrick: it contains a configuration dialog for kde414:29
Jucatonetcat: Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35) but it is not installed14:29
smarterand a .kstylerc file14:29
smarterI mean .themerc14:29
jpatrickJucato: sudo pbuilder create?14:29
jpatricksmarter: ok, looks good to me14:29
* jpatrick wonders if he can just upload14:30
Jucatojpatrick: yesh14:30
Jucatosudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse"14:30
jpatricktry: DIST=hardy sudo pbuilder create --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse"14:31
Jucatojpatrick: thanks. I'll have the result in an hour :)14:32
jpatrickJucato: that the problem with pbuilder :)14:32
vorianhey guys :)14:32
* Jucato somehow finds Debian packaging a bit.. tedious...14:32
jpatrickhey vorian14:32
Jucatowell, not that I'm packaging... but in order to be able to test a package properly14:32
vorianthe lemon upstream guys corrected the Copyright file on my package in revu.  it should be good now :)14:33
jpatrickJucato: but it... rocks :O14:33
Jucatoand then to submit a debdiff... oh well14:33
Jucatojpatrick: like what I told nixternal before... the price of quality is complexity :P14:33
ryanakcaJucato: hmm... if you're using LVM, I'd go for an sbuild/schroot over a pbuilder :)14:33
Jucatoryanakca: unfortunately, I'm not :)14:33
ryanakcalol, okies :)14:33
Jucatopractically I don't really need pbuilder I think... I just need debuild to build a .deb... but... :)14:33
ScottKJucato: You can, but it's not a great idea.14:38
ScottKIf there's a bug in the package you can mess up your system, you often end up with a dirty source tree afterwards, and don't have a clear idea if your build depends are correct.14:38
ScottKIf none of that worries you, then go ahead.14:38
Trigger7Jucato: you should at least test all your packages with pbuilder/cowbuilder/whateverbuilder14:38
JucatoScottK: I know... that fact slapped me in the face last year... it seems to me that you can't escape some amount of packaging if you're developing :(14:39
JucatoTrigger7: <Jucato> I can't seem to create a pbuilder :( <Jucato> netcat: Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35) but it is not installed14:39
ScottKJucato: If you're having trouble creating a pbuilder, look at the pbuilder-dist script in ubuntu-dev-tools.14:39
* Jucato sits back and waits...14:39
jpatrickJucato: well, I have a hardy and sid pbuilder and a gutsy prevu :)14:39
Jucatoyou're a packaging pimp! should I be surprised? :D14:40
Trigger7Jucato: hehe yeah. that's the fun with the 'usntable' distributions14:40
* Jucato is more of a coder type.. but discovered that hard way that he can't escape debian-fu14:40
Jucatooh well, time to sit back and watch pbuilder...14:41
ryanakcaI'm guessing klatin was dropped for kde4?14:55
nosrednaekimryanakca: I thought it had another name...14:55
RiddellI believe it's been dropped14:56
ryanakcaRiddell: pity, okies, thanks :)14:56
Jucatopitti? :)14:56
Jucato"KLatin  KLatin was dropped in KDE 4.0 as it had no maintainer anymore."14:56
Riddellah, nosrednaekim, want to come to UDS?  and anything you think we should discuss?14:57
Riddellryanakca: likewise ^^ ?14:57
jpatrickRiddell: can I /msg you?14:57
ryanakcaRiddell: I'd love to... but I'm guessing its smack in the middle of a school week... where is it? *checks the wiki*14:57
nosrednaekimRiddell: where is UDS? i'm 17.... I don't think i'll be able to make it ;)14:57
Riddelljpatrick: you acn14:57
jpatrickryanakca: Czech Republic14:58
Riddellryanakca: sometime in May14:58
ryanakcajpatrick, Riddell: lol, waay out of my reach... if I couldn't convince my parents to let me to UDS Boston, I can hardly imagine convincing them to let me go to the Czech Republic.15:00
ryanakca(and boston is 3-4 hours drive away ;)15:00
Jucatojpatrick: now the error is "Failure to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/22450/. mount -t proc proc /proc" "pbuilder: debootstrap failed"15:02
nosrednaekimryanakca: I feel your pain :)15:02
jpatrickwell, I first they saw mhb's post and decided to have it in his house15:02
HobbseeRiddell: asked Jucato yet?15:03
nosrednaekimRiddell: but I'll think if there is anything that needs to be discussed.15:03
JucatoHobbsee: I obviously can't :)15:03
HobbseeJucato: why?15:03
Jucatothanks for the thought :)15:03
HobbseeJucato: so?15:04
ryanakcanosrednaekim: ... eh, only another... 6-7 years untill I've graduated high school, finished Uni and manage to scrape up enough money to fly myself overseas and stay in a hotel room for a week... :)15:04
JucatoI won't be able to get past any embassy...15:04
Jucatoer.. I won't be able to get a Visa15:04
HobbseeJucato: not even with a letter from canonical?15:04
Jucatothey have this "show money" policy...15:04
Hobbseeyou live in the wrong place.15:04
Jucatoyou have to show them $$$ to assure them that you have what it takes to support yourself and get back here...15:05
* Jucato thinks we're notorious for illegal immigration that's why...15:05
* Jucato is getting frustrated with pbuilder...15:06
Jucatotry again tomorrow...15:06
jpatrickJucato: well, that's a freakish error15:06
nosrednaekimryanakca: same, but more like 5 years here :)15:07
Jucatojpatrick: quite appropriate for a freakish person :)15:07
HobbseeJucato: why did debootstrap fail?15:07
Jucato"Failure to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/22450/. mount -t proc proc /proc" "pbuilder: debootstrap failed"15:07
Hobbseenosrednaekim: btw, i was 18 when i went.  iirc.15:07
jpatrickJucato: sudo apt-get install pbuilder debootstrap devscripts15:08
Hobbseeand female.15:08
Hobbseei wasnt' the youngest there, either.15:08
Jucatowell no fair you have a long pointy stick! :)15:08
HobbseeJucato: any more detail than that?15:08
HobbseeJucato: like, further up?15:08
nosrednaekimHobbsee: but heh, you probably weren't flying half-way around the world15:08
HobbseeJucato: and the pointy stick doesn't always help15:08
Hobbseenosrednaekim: sydney to spain - i can beat all of your plane flights into teh ground.15:09
=== _czessi is now known as Czessi
Hobbseenosrednaekim: it took 30 hours to get back from sevilla.15:09
JucatoHobbsee: nada15:09
* nosrednaekim retires in defeat15:09
Hobbsee4 flights15:09
jpatrickJucato: eso da igual tio :p15:09
Jucatoexcept a warning that libc6 couldn't be downloaded15:09
Hobbseenosrednaekim: no excuse :)15:09
Jucatojpatrick: hahah! I only know very few spanish words :P15:09
jpatrickJucato: how, that is bad15:09
nosrednaekimHobbsee: parents15:09
nosrednaekimand money15:09
jpatricknosrednaekim: run away15:09
jpatrickno, really, don't!15:10
Jucatojpatrick: pbuilder debooboo and devilscripts are up to date15:10
Hobbseenosrednaekim: yeah.  i'd suggest slowly talking about it to them, before saying "i have a plane ticket"15:10
jpatrickJucato: rofl15:10
HobbseeJucato: sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse" - try with main and restricted in there too15:11
JucatoHobbsee: will do... if that works, I blame the wiki!15:11
Hobbseeit shouldn't make any difference, but...15:12
HobbseeJucato: i think you have an error further up somewhere15:12
Jucatoif I do, I can't find it :(15:12
Jucatodo I have to stare line by line?15:12
Hobbseenot really, but it should be after it fetches the packages or something15:13
Jucatocoz for some reason, I feel my eyes are burning...15:13
Hobbseewhy don't you pipe it to an output file, so you can grep it?15:13
Hobbseeas in, pipe stdout?15:13
Jucatoright... can I cancel it now?15:13
Jucatoor I can just save the scrollback and hope it saves the whole thing15:14
jpatrickJucato: "coz for some reason, I feel my eyes are burning..." <- must be the devilscripts15:14
Riddellmhb: did you get anywhere with the jockey qt frontend?15:14
* Hobbsee likes devscripts.15:15
Jucatojpatrick: heheh :)15:15
lontrais kde-guidance-powermanager to be made to work with kde4?  right now suspend and hibernate buttons don't do anything15:15
lontraor will kubuntu go to kpowerave?15:15
jpatricklontra: hasn't been ported (blocked by libpythonize)15:15
Jucatopeebuilder, debooboostrap and devilscripts. yay!!15:15
lontrajpatrick: thanks ... this is a bit of a support question but how would i run suspend from konsole?15:16
jpatricklontra: one sec, this was on the mailing list at one point15:17
* ryanakca wonders if there's a simple non-GUI (aka, no Qt stuff yet) C++ task he could attempt, all without garanteeing anybody success :)15:17
jpatricklontra: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002108.html15:17
lontrajpatrick: thanks15:18
Riddelljpatrick: power manager doesn't use libpythonize15:18
jpatrickRiddell: opss, yeah didn't sebas promise one or something?15:19
Riddelljpatrick: there's a plasma power manager applet15:19
lontrajpatrick: thanks that worked15:19
jpatrickgot thrown off by the kde-*guidance*-* 2~15:20
RiddellI don't think it does brightness or suspend15:20
lontralooks like konqueror4 has a simplified profile ... could revert back to the original profile be added to the FAQ?15:21
Riddelllontra: we havn't changed anything from KDE15:22
lontraRiddell: really?15:22
Riddelljpatrick: have you tested this LUKS patch?15:24
jpatrickRiddell: no, but he seems to know better (author)15:25
Jucatobug 129186 requires python, and my original assessment seems to be wrong (adept_batch does seem to return a value upon exit, but QtLanguageSelector doesn't seem to know when the user cancelled it)15:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12918615:25
stdinryanakca: hmm, wasn't the closing date for mockups a few days ago now?15:32
Jucatoyo stdin! :)15:32
stdinhey ho Jucato :)15:32
Jucatostdin: someone was asking in here about the weather plasmoid earlier.15:33
JucatoI thought you, being the kde4 ppa go-to guy, probably know15:33
stdinI think that would in extregear, not sure15:34
Jucatohe claims it isn't.. hadn't had time to check though :)15:35
* apachelogger_ demands satisfaction15:35
apachelogger_letz pull a trunk snapshot in!15:35
stdinapachelogger_: go fix kdm-kde4 then15:35
apachelogger_stdin: is fixed already15:35
apachelogger_just needs a testbuild15:35
apachelogger_would have been uploaded years ago, but I had to do sports15:36
apachelogger_oohhh, this school15:36
* apachelogger_ shakes his head15:36
jpatrickapachelogger_: I'm in the same boat mate15:36
stdingreat, websvn is down too15:37
Hobbseehm, now why did all the kde games icons break again?15:37
* apachelogger_ points at Riddell15:37
stdinJucato: I don't remember seeing it in kdebase* and I don't see it in extragear, so it's either been removed from our package (or never was in it) or it's not in extragear/plasma15:38
stdinbut I can't check as websvn.kde.org isn't working here15:38
Jucatostdin: maybe it was in playground-plasma? (pre 4.0)15:38
Jucatono worries. I just thought I'd bring it to your attention :)15:39
* apachelogger_ stops pointing at Riddell and starts pointing at Hobbsee15:40
apachelogger_Hobbsee: they are not broken for me15:40
Hobbseehm, strange15:40
stdinJucato: it was in plasma-playground yes15:41
apachelogger_listening to paris hilton15:42
apachelogger_lastfm client ain't that nice to me :S15:42
stdinkill it15:43
apachelogger_Hobbsee: could you provide a screenie15:43
stdinand by "it" I meant paris hilton15:43
apachelogger_"Are you sure that you want to ban the title Stars are blind?"15:43
Hobbseeapachelogger_: it's on gnome, if that helps15:44
Hobbseethe gnome ones work, but not the kde15:44
* apachelogger_ declares lastfm client an even more stupid software than amarok15:44
vorianapachelogger_: the lemon upstream updated their package to include all 3 full licences in their COPYING file.  I made the proper changes. :)15:44
apachelogger_vorian: bug me again when I uploaded ubuntu2 of workspace :P15:44
vorianalrighty :)15:45
apachelogger_Hobbsee: screenie plz15:45
* apachelogger_ puts the sherlock costume on15:45
Jucatohm.. how come adept doesn't have an orig.tar.gz...15:45
Hobbseeapachelogger_: i don't see how it will help you15:46
RiddellJucato: because it's a native package (we make it ourselves)15:46
Hobbseeand i'm lazy15:46
apachelogger_it helps me imagine15:46
JucatoRiddell: ah...15:46
apachelogger_I'm not 100% certain it works with KDE 3 as well15:46
RiddellHobbsee, apachelogger_: kde 3 is patched to see the kde 4 icons, gnome would need to be patched too, or else find a reliable way to set an absolute path15:47
smarterjpatrick: Did you forget to ack my package? ;)15:47
HobbseeRiddell: ahh, that'll do it15:47
apachelogger_Riddell: ok, that explains it15:47
jpatricksmarter: arg, not again :)15:47
JucatoHobbsee: pbuilder looking good! so I blame the wiki :)15:47
* apachelogger_ demands patching in this case15:47
ryanakcastdin: yes, it was15:48
jpatricksmarter: done! :D15:48
smarterjpatrick: thank you :)15:48
stdinryanakca: was just wondering because the link is still in the topic(s)15:48
JucatoHobbsee: yep! pbuilder done.. now it's just installing build-essentials :)15:49
ryanakcastdin: except we got one mockup from someone who took ubuntu.com and made it blue, and then we got nixternal's mockup, but he wants us to get a "real" mockup from a "real" artist15:49
ryanakca... and thats it :(15:49
JucatoStefanS' artistic juices seem to be flowing :)15:50
jpatrickryanakca: dude, last mockup looks cool!15:50
Riddellryanakca: what's wrong with the various designs we already have?15:50
ryanakcaRiddell: nothing15:50
ryanakcajpatrick: ooh, never saw that one :)15:50
ryanakcaRiddell: I never thought of taking the links in the topics down, and I was just quoting nixternal :)15:51
apachelogger_uh, yeah that one looks nice15:51
ryanakcawhat does everybody else think of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup-dmiller.png ?15:51
jpatrickryanakca: +2015:52
smarterryanakca: pretty15:52
stdinit looks rather nice :)15:52
ryanakcamhb: ?15:52
jjesse_i like that mock up15:52
ryanakcaif both mhb and Riddell agree, I guess we can announce it :)15:52
RiddellI wouldn't announce it until it's a real website15:53
Hobbseewow, there's some really nice stuff there!15:53
ryanakca+1 to that, but at least tell the guy we considered and picked his mockup, but not to announce it to the world?15:53
smarterThe kubuntu logo could could be more like the current one at http://kubuntu.org15:53
jpatrickryanakca: back to coding!15:53
Jucatoand is that the oxygen download icon or not?15:53
ryanakcajpatrick: I guess that puts off my C++ learning :)15:53
* Jucato can't recall15:54
ryanakcasmarter: sure15:54
smarterAnd the ubuntu font is cool but should'nt be too used imho ;)15:54
* ryanakca wonders if he should start from scratch or base himself on what we already have...15:56
apachelogger_jpatrick: can you plz revu kepas?15:57
jpatrickapachelogger_: sure thing15:57
jpatrickapachelogger_: upload bespin15:58
apachelogger_smarter: why did besping to rejected the first time?16:00
jpatrickapachelogger_: made a small mistake in copyright16:01
smarterapachelogger_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-February/015365.html16:01
jpatrick...or that.16:01
Riddellfdoving: anything you think we should discuss at UDS, and do you want to come?16:02
jpatrickapachelogger_: have you test built/used?16:02
apachelogger_jpatrick: lemonpos?16:02
apachelogger_jpatrick: kepas?16:03
jpatrickapachelogger_: ja16:03
apachelogger_can't remember, honestly16:03
apachelogger_probably did16:03
* jpatrick pbuilds16:03
apachelogger_I'll have a look at it later on anyway16:03
jpatricksmarter: kepas looks good, just test build and +116:04
smarterjpatrick: cool16:04
jpatrickd-miller: excellent mock up16:04
apachelogger_smarter: description-starts-with-package-name for kepas16:08
jussi01quick question, when I attatch a patch to  a bug, I then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, correct?16:09
apachelogger_jussi01: yes, considering the package is in universe ;-)16:09
smarterapachelogger_: I'll fix that, didn't know it was a problem16:10
d-millerjpatrick: thank you =)16:10
apachelogger_smarter: lintian declares it an error, so I guess it is supposed to be seen as a problem16:10
apachelogger_I personally don't though ;-)16:10
jussi01apachelogger_: thank you.16:11
manchickenI thought we had a tooltip on the supported icon in adept.16:11
manchickenJucato must have broken it :P16:11
smarterare the "binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath" thing a problem?16:11
apachelogger_smarter: no16:11
apachelogger_actually we want it that way16:11
apachelogger_plus rpath is good according to KDE devs ;-)16:11
smarterthat's what I thought :)16:11
* Jucato closes all kwrite windows to remove any evidence16:11
manchickenJucato: Too late, you've been caught up.16:11
apachelogger_Jucato again16:12
* apachelogger_ demands satisfaction!16:12
manchickenSo I should take a photo of Badger in his Kubuntu body suit :)16:12
Jucatohahah :)16:12
manchickenDacia says she'll take care of that.16:12
manchickenAlthough I'll need to get him a Xubuntu suit, too.16:12
apachelogger_smarter: bespin is actually having the same issue16:13
apachelogger_just that lintian doesn't catch it since the package is named different ;-)16:13
apachelogger_jpatrick: you think the description-starts-with-package-name should be fixed for bespin?16:14
smarterapachelogger_: I only run lintian on the .dsc normally16:14
smarterI fix it too there16:14
apachelogger_fair enough16:14
* apachelogger_ throws a Dalek after vorian16:17
apachelogger_vorian: update debian/rules according to latest concepts in kdebase-workspace16:17
apachelogger_also debian/cdbs16:17
smarterapachelogger_: Bespin and Kepas should now be uploaded16:18
apachelogger_jpatrick: plz +1 on bespin16:18
apachelogger_and kepas in case you already did that ;-)16:18
smarterI'm also packaging qdevelop now(the previous packager gave up)16:19
apachelogger_I actually can understand he gave up16:20
apachelogger_that package is one whole filled with work16:20
apachelogger_vorian: debian/watch seems to be broken16:20
apachelogger_uscan deoesn't work16:21
voriani'll check and fix16:21
vorianwhat part of the wrapper needs updated16:21
apachelogger_vorian: just sync it with workspace16:22
apachelogger_the whole wrapper is reduced to 3 lines or something16:22
apachelogger_but debian/cdbs needs to be synced with workspace16:22
voriani did that16:22
voriank, that makes more sense16:22
apachelogger_just update rules then16:22
apachelogger_jpatrick: kepas builds and is useable16:23
apachelogger_jpatrick got lost :S16:25
ryanakcanooo... tmsnc has been discontinued :(16:27
vorianapachelogger_: changes uploaded :)16:32
voriandang it16:35
vorianforgot the watch16:35
nixternalwhat a mess this place is16:41
vorianwhat up nixternal16:41
nixternalwe have snow, ice, and wrecks everywhere16:41
nixternalI had to take my mom to the doctors this morning and the roads suck big time16:42
ryanakcanixternal: lol, buses were cancelled here, snowday :D16:42
ryanakcanixternal: what do you think of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup-dmiller.png ?16:43
nixternalI like some of the ideas there, but I hate that ubuntu font everywhere16:44
nixternalit is to cartoonish16:45
vorianapachelogger_: ok, it's really finished this time :P16:52
buzyeah the ubuntu font is over used16:53
buzi like it for logos, but its bad to read16:53
nixternalya it is16:53
buzi'd use dejavu sans/helvetica/arial instead16:53
vorianhow about comic sans16:54
buzhehe sure16:54
vorianthat's the awemestsesz16:54
buzin all CAPS while were at it16:54
buzwith lots of !!.!16:54
vorianbetter yet16:54
voriana 4 or 5 year old could freehand it16:54
buzna, osnews already does THAT16:55
smarter"QSqlDatabase: QSQLITE driver not loaded16:55
smarterQSqlDatabase: available drivers:"16:55
smarter? :/16:55
buzhonestly, their comics look just like that16:55
nixternalsmarter: did you see that bespin or whatever it is called was rejected?16:55
smarternixternal: yes, I've fixed the problem and it's currently waiting for ack: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin16:56
apachelogger_nixternal: just ack it, I'm ready for upload :P16:56
* apachelogger_ demands statisfaction from whoever br0ke the KDM user icons16:57
nixternalapachelogger_: hey, why the change to the rules file and the kde.mk for lemonpos?16:58
nixternalRiddell and I proved yesterday that the wrapper will not work unless the Exec= is to an absolute path16:58
nixternaland why have the script in cdbs/kde.mk as well as the rules?16:59
apachelogger_nixternal: what script?16:59
apachelogger_+for file in `ls $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/applications/kde4/`; do \17:00
apachelogger_+sed -i 's,Exec=,Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/,' $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/applications/kde4/$${file}; \17:00
apachelogger_ done17:00
nixternalthat one17:00
apachelogger_nixternal: is it in cdbs?17:00
nixternalit is in kde.mk and rules for lemonpos17:00
nixternalit is in the kde.mk file17:00
apachelogger_nixternal: I guess it is that way in -workspace as well17:00
Jucatoum.. anyone I need a clue about this.. what does "@@ -###,# +###,# @@ in diffs mean?17:00
nixternalJucato: RTFM17:01
Jucatoear.. ok...17:01
nixternalplus, I couldn't tell you by heart17:01
Jucatowhich manual?17:01
nixternaleven though our Linux courses at the uni teach it over and over :)17:01
Jucatook..  :)17:01
stdinit's to do with the position (line numbers) before and after the patch, that's all I can tell you17:01
nixternaloh, I have no clue...if you check out diff via google you will find a couple that explain them well17:02
Jucatostdin: thanks17:02
nixternalstdin: ya, it has to deal with all of that, but there is more meaning to it17:02
Jucatohehe ok nvm.. it might be a different problem17:02
nixternal-### is obviouly removing that area17:02
nixternal+### is obviously adding that area17:02
nixternal@@ show the location(s) effected17:02
* nixternal had to look at a diff17:02
nixternalDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}17:04
nixternalwith a single binary package, you don't need the ${misc:Depends} correct?17:04
vorianmy bad17:05
blueyedTonio_: re your kdebase upload. Is the LP bug reference in the changelog to bug 189144 correct? Apart from that, it has been just fixed in bash, so please revert your patch.17:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 189144 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine is not working in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18914417:06
blueyeddash bug 17703217:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 177032 in dash "Regression with filename glob expanding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17703217:06
* blueyed hasn't looked at your patch though, so it may be something different even.. then, sorry for disturbing.. :)17:06
ryanakcanixternal: well, the ditch the Ubuntu font has already been discussed...17:07
ryanakca(reading the backlog about the mockup)17:07
nixternalI think it would be better if we could gear a little to professionalism with a touch of fun17:07
nixternalbut then again, the choice of the mockup to get used isn't mine, it would be mastah Riddell who decides :)17:08
Tonio_blueyed: okay thanks for the info17:08
blueyedTonio_: it has been reported for kdebase in bug 17906017:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 179060 in kdebase "KDE env broken in startkde because of dash? (dup-of: 177032)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17906017:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 177032 in dash "Regression with filename glob expanding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17703217:08
Tonio_blueyed: I'll wait for next dash to test and will remove the patch if confirmed fixed17:08
apachelogger_that user icon sux17:08
* apachelogger_ kicks kdm17:09
apachelogger_gimme oxygen17:09
blueyedTonio_: thanks17:09
nixternalapachelogger_: the new KDE 3 kdm artwork, with my black & white chicago background, really makes that login area stand out quite nicely17:09
smartercan someone knows why there's no database driver at all in QSqlDatabase? :/17:10
apachelogger_nixternal: got a tar at hand?17:10
smarter"QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" << nothing17:10
nixternalapachelogger_: so what do you say about the lemonpos rules file? remove that wrapper script stuff...17:10
apachelogger_nixternal: I dunno, we have to check with Riddell17:10
nixternaltar at hand of what?17:10
apachelogger_maybe it didn't work in rules or something17:10
ryanakcanixternal: *just wants someone to make a final decision so that he can implement it*... after today, I'm gone skiing 'till Monday... so whatever I don't do today will either get done by someone else while I'm gone, or finished by me next week17:10
smarterIt worked before: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/17926117:10
ubotuLaunchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New]17:10
nixternalwell, I know that the script didn't work with single binary files...didn't work on any of the extragear stuff17:10
smarter"QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2"17:10
tomasmarter: some distro's have them in separate packages17:10
nixternalso I stayed with the old wrapper in the rules file for the time being17:11
vorianI can always update it when it's more appropriate17:11
smartertoma: Do I need something other than libqt4-sql ?17:11
Riddellapachelogger_: check what with Riddell?17:11
tomasmarter: no17:12
ryanakcaRiddell: probably "12:10:17 < nixternal> apachelogger_: so what do you say about the lemonpos rules file? remove that wrapper script stuff..."17:13
smartertoma: so this is a bug17:13
nixternalI am testing the lemonpos w/o the wrapper in rules and using the one in kde.mk17:14
Riddellnixternal, apachelogger_: it shouldn't need the wrapper scripts, but it may need a rule to set the absolute path for Exec=17:14
apachelogger_Riddell: well, it is right now in debian/rules and debian/cdbs/kde.mk17:15
nixternalthat is because Riddell updated the kde.mk last week to be used17:16
vorianhello blizzzek17:18
apachelogger_vorian: pleae remove the wrapper from rules if you didn't already17:19
nixternalRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=elephant-bleu-2560x1600.jpg  <-- how about trying that out as a wallpaper? seems people really like it too (KDE 3 that is)17:19
apachelogger_nixternal: where to find that "new KDE 3 kdm artwork"?17:20
vorianapachelogger_: so revert the package?17:20
nixternalapachelogger_: should be kubuntu-default-settings17:20
apachelogger_vorian: nah, completely remove it, rules should only include debian/cdbs/kde.mk now17:20
nixternalvorian: also update control file for kdelibs5-dev to >= 4:4.0.117:20
Riddellnixternal: nice, maybe a bit dark, I know kwwii looked at it for ubuntu and i think there were worries about cultural issues with it17:22
nixternalit seems that everyone seems to link me to it for a good wallpaper :)17:22
seeleJucato: you would have difficulty getting a visa even if you had a return ticket?17:23
nixternalalso, another thing that was suggested was offering some other nice wallpapers...like the elephant one, and some others17:23
Jucatoseele: yep... that's how it works here... show money is important :/17:23
vorianI think the lion main in blue would be killer17:23
Jucato(of course, connections with "important" people can help too :P)17:23
Riddellnixternal: well KDE does that already, no need to take up more disk space17:23
nixternalmy feelings exactly17:24
apachelogger_nixternal: I don't see any changed artwork, beside the wallpaper17:24
seeleJucato: as in cash or a bank statement?17:24
nixternalapachelogger_: looked like it changed to me...maybe it hasn't17:24
Riddellseele: mhb had a similar thing getting into the US last year.  he's a student so there's not much keeping him tied to home17:24
* apachelogger_ goes KDE 4 default for now17:25
* smarter uses this wallpaper: http://www.enhance-it.dk/Aquapattern_by_DJMattRicks2.png17:25
Jucatoseele: now they seem to prefer cash... because they figured you could get around bank statements (borrow from someone to put into the bank, then return the money)17:25
apachelogger_kdm just ain't very good lookin without wallpaper17:25
Riddellsmarter: also nice, just a bit too light17:25
nixternalOK, it seems that script just in kde.mk does what it is supposed to, and tosses the .desktop files into /usr/share/applications/kde417:25
seeleRiddell: yeah, i think it was his age and employment status that did him in.. i know a few companies who have young indian workers who can't visit home for a few years because theyre too young (college age + a few years) to get back in to the country, even with a visa17:26
smarterRiddell: light wallpapers go well with transparent konsole/yakuake :)17:26
nixternalso do dark wallpapers :)17:26
nixternalJucato: what are you trying to do now? what country are you planning on destroying...err I mean visiting? :p17:27
Jucatonixternal: nothing. Hobbsee just tried to recommend me for UDS :P17:27
nixternalKubuntu already has mhb as our resident terrorist, we don't need any more :p17:27
Jucatoright now I'm trying to destroy adept :)17:28
nixternalare you going to go? or is it a pita for you to get a visa and what not17:28
Jucatothe latter17:28
nixternalthat stinks17:28
nixternalyou should talk to Jerome, he has to know ways around stuff considering all of the traveling he does17:29
Jucatohe has $$$ to start with :)17:29
nixternalhe might have one of them connections you need :)17:29
nixternalnext time you see him, give him a hug and lift his wallet, then you can have some $$$ :p17:30
nixternalsomeone lifts my wallet, they will be pissed...probably come back and kick my arse for being broke :)17:30
nixternalvorian: as soon as you upload the fixes to revu let me know and I will ack17:31
voriannixternal: it just showed up on revu17:31
vorianinterestingly enough17:31
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nixternalkdelibs5-dev (>= 4:3.97.0) -- I would like to see this bumped to 4:4.0.1, but it is something either myself or apachelogger_ can fix upon upload really17:33
nixternalI will go ahead and ack it17:33
vorianhold on17:33
nixternalright as I ack it ;p17:34
apachelogger_nixternal: well, if it compiles with 3.97 it isn't much of a problem IMO :P17:34
nixternalya, that is why it isn't a big deal17:34
nixternalapachelogger_: if you want, go ahead and ack it and upload it :)17:34
* apachelogger_ kicks the kdm patches again17:34
nixternalI have test built it on i38617:34
vorianI updated the control in the wrong file17:35
* apachelogger_ prepares for upload17:35
nixternalvorian: hahah17:35
* apachelogger_ stops preparing17:35
nixternalno biggy17:35
vorianok then17:35
Jucatois there a way to apply all patches in debian/patches automatically?17:35
nixternalapachelogger_: he is just talking aobut the 3.97 to 4.0.1..it is still fine to ack and up17:35
vorianthanks for your help nixternal and apachelogger_ :)17:35
apachelogger_nixternal: ok17:35
* apachelogger_ grabs the sources17:35
RiddellJucato: yes but depends on the patch system being used17:35
nixternalno problemo...before you know it vorian you will be a MOTU17:35
Jucatowhat does Adept us? cdbs?17:36
apachelogger_Riddell: wouldn't `make -f debian/rules apply-patches` always work?17:36
voriannow /me turns to bug fixing :)17:36
Jucatoah yes it does...17:36
RiddellJucato: as apachelogger_ says17:36
* Jucato tries17:36
nixternalonly thing I can recommend really to you vorian, is working on the copyright file skills...it seems everything else you are getting a pretty good grasp of17:36
nixternalcopyright files can be a biznatch17:36
mornfallJucato: You are breaking it even more? :P17:37
Jucatoapachelogger_: thanks.. I have always used buildprep :)17:37
voriannixternal: i learned much from this experience with lemon and copyright :)17:37
Jucatomornfall: hahah yes :)17:37
apachelogger_nixternal: do I have to fwd the new new mail to motu?17:37
Jucatomornfall: I'm trying to add update() to Installer17:37
nixternalvorian: if you don't have the package installed yet, I recommend you grab the ubuntu devtools, there is a app called licensecheck that helps when doing copyright17:37
nixternalapachelogger_: yes please17:37
Jucatomornfall: to close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/14965217:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 149652 in adept "manage repositories in adept_installer doen't work (dup-of: 155068)" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 155068 in adept "adept installer does not reload package lists after sources modification" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:38
nixternalvorian: sudo apt-get install devscripts17:38
vorianI have it :)17:38
vorianI just don't know how to use all the tools17:38
nixternalthen you can go into a directory and do 'licensecheck --copyright *' and it will read the headers out of all of the source files and spit out what you are looking for17:38
* vorian tests17:39
apachelogger_...combined with a nifty grep you won't miss any copyrights anymore :)17:39
nixternalyou can even get funky with it and toss some regex at it if you want...but I just stay easy...it helps me showing which files have what licenses17:39
nixternalone thing I have learned though when writing code, is properly licensing each file17:40
nixternaland using just one license17:40
vorianthat is really cool17:40
vorianI should have asked how you greped all those17:40
apachelogger_vorian: did you touch kde.mk?17:40
apachelogger_it's missing a new line17:40
nixternalya, I usually do 'licensecheck --copyright * |grep LGPL' if there are files licensed with it...make it easy to list them in the copyright file17:40
vorianapachelogger_: um17:41
vorianlet me see if it was the wrong file17:41
vorianI had lemon and lemon117:41
apachelogger_looks right to me17:41
vorianso it's good then?17:41
apachelogger_the original is also missing a newline17:41
Jucatooh mornfall, btw. is it impossible to open adept/*.ui files in Qt designer?17:42
mornfallNo idea.17:42
apachelogger_Riddell: btw, what is stopping us from getting the cdbs files into cdbs?17:42
* vorian wipes sweat from his forehead17:42
mornfallYou have to hack them a little. And then hack them back.17:42
nixternalooh, I found a mistake in rsibreak package...I didn't include the new kde.mk in it :/17:42
Jucatomornfall: ah ok :)17:42
mornfallThe bases need to be switched to QWidget to edit them and move them back to whatever they were.17:42
MaximLevitskyYestarday, I told about annying bug in kdm , that is still not fixed. I created a debdiff for the fix, and guess what, today new package of kdm is released without this fix. I told that this will happen17:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,In progress]17:43
nixternalapachelogger_: bugs are the reason we are using the custom cdbs...we could include our kde.mk as kde4.mk to get it included..however, it is going to change again come hardy+1 more than likely17:43
nixternalthis way here it is easier on us for the time being I believe17:43
MaximLevitskyWhat is going on....17:44
apachelogger_nixternal: well, maybe add it to the files of kdelibs-dev, every app depends on this package anyway17:44
apachelogger_changing every package for a cdbs fix gives me the creeps17:45
Riddellapachelogger_: nothing except that every time I touch cdbs it breaks17:45
apachelogger_hehe :D17:46
apachelogger_Riddell: maybe I'll prepare a debdiff if I have time for it17:46
MaximLevitsky  Riddell, hi, take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 :-)17:46
mhbRiddell: yes, I've got some of it (the main window) finished.17:46
* apachelogger_ is wondering why kdm br0ke again17:47
mhbRiddell: trouble is, I've got my last exam tomorrow17:47
mhbplease ask me on Friday :o)17:47
Riddellmhb: ooh, go and study!17:48
RiddellMaximLevitsky: nice17:49
RiddellMaximLevitsky: has the author of the consolekit patch looked at this do you know?17:49
MaximLevitskyI don't know17:50
RiddellMaximLevitsky: ok, I'll upload the patch if you e-mail this to kevin kofler17:51
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MaximLevitskyI have to go now, will be back in 1~2 hours.17:52
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Riddellvorian: fancy updating the marble qt package?18:09
ryanakcaRiddell: ok, so the last mockup on the page is good with you?18:12
Riddellryanakca: sure is18:12
ryanakcaokies :)18:12
nixternalryanakca: that is the last mockup you showed earlier today?18:15
ryanakcanixternal: yes, without the cartoonish Ubuntu fonts, and someone suggested using the kurrent kubuntu.org logo instead of the one in the mockup18:15
nixternalyes please do :)18:16
nixternalno more using the old school logo :)18:16
vorianRiddell: sure thing18:16
apachelogger_mhhh, new workspace coming, featuring: multirow taskbar, taskbar only shows tasks from current desktop and a yet even better kdm appearance18:16
* Jucato tries debuild binary... and goes to slip18:17
Jucatoer.. sleep18:17
Jucatoapachelogger_: thanks for the hint about apply-patches :)18:17
apachelogger_Jucato: you're very welcome :)18:17
spirooriddell: Do you know if there is gonna be a LiveCD for KDE4.0.1 in Kubuntu before 8.04 Hardy?18:18
Riddellspiroo: yes, there is18:19
Riddellspiroo: well, we'll have hardy CDs18:19
RiddellI don't plan to make any more gutsy ones18:19
vorianRiddell: what's the source name? :)18:19
spirooRiddell: Allright then, do you think I can run Hardy version now? Or is it to unstable?18:20
spirooRiddell: The actual problem is that I cannot use my GlobeTrotter (Internet) in Kubuntu and does have to download KDE4.0.1 in Windows. Maybe there is some package with only Kde4.0.1. I mean I do not need the whole Kubuntu neccessry18:22
Riddellspiroo: see kubuntu.org for 4.0.1 packages18:26
Riddellvorian: http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble-0.5.1.tar.bz218:26
vorianthanks Riddell :)18:26
Riddellvorian: we have two versions of marble in the archive, this is the qt only one, I don't know if the packaging needs updating and it will need a Conflicts with marble-kde418:27
vorianmarble-kde4 is in kdeedu-kde4 meta18:27
vorianso a new package then i take it?18:28
spirooRiddell: I already have, but I cannot use Adept or anything inside Kubuntu, because I cannot get Internet work inside Kubuntu.18:28
vorianmarbleqt-kde4 sound good?18:29
Trigger7apachelogger_: are you grabbing the suse patches?18:34
Riddellvorian: we already have the package18:34
Riddellvorian: "marble" source package is already there18:35
vorianah, i see18:35
gribeluTrigger7: the suse patches don't let the panel sit on left or right :/ .... just resize and multi-row + the clock still doesn't behave as in it looks weird (too low) when the panel height is small18:40
spirooWonder, KDE and Kubuntu, they are coded in C++ mostly, right? Wondering, is it hard to code, I am learning myself the language and is quite curious about the code inside "Linux" (Word for all dists and so on :P)18:41
gribeluand the kickoff icon doesn't fit if panel is under 3218:41
ScottKspiroo: Mostly.  Guidance is Python.18:41
Trigger7gribelu: shouldn't panel-location.diff make it possible to move the panel to the left or to the right?18:42
jpatrickapachelogger_: /whois me next time ;)18:42
spirooScottK: What you mean?18:42
ScottKKDE is mostly C++, but Guidance (which is a KDE application) is written in Python.18:42
jpatrickapachelogger_: both packages (bespin and kepas): +118:43
spirooScottK: allright, is the code itself complex to write. I mean is it easy to understand the structure and basic libraries?18:43
gribeluTrigger7: the panel moves... but the widgets look VEEERY weird.. not usable. The SuSe patches don't even enable the menu that allows left/right positioning, for good reason18:43
* ScottK is not a C++ coder, so I can't answer.18:44
Trigger7gribelu: but i guess in trunk the situation isn't better18:44
gribeluTrigger7: i didn't compile the full trunk so i wouldn't know :/18:44
gribelui just dropped my ashtray.. crap.. :|18:45
Trigger7i've read somewhere, that moving the panel to the left/right doesn't really work18:45
Riddellspiroo: code always gets complex quickly, but the top reason I like KDE is that is has the best codebase18:46
Riddellspiroo: best thing to do is to find a bug which annoys you and fix it18:47
Riddellspiroo: try umbrello for example, it's full of bugs and crashes :)18:48
spirooRiddell: ok :) Do you know somewhere I could start look, that you could recommend?18:48
Riddelldo others get horrible italics text on planet.kde.org in konqueror 4?18:48
spirooDo not use Umbrello though :P The funny thing that most annoying me is the ugly GUI inside every apps :D Even desktop, specially the menu, KickOff/KMenu18:49
mhbunlike real bugs, it's really hard to design a "good" GUI18:50
spirooRiddell: Well what I mean is that I have interests in both code and graphical interfaces.18:50
mhbbecause a) very many people do not have a clear vision of the way it should behave18:50
mhbb) what someone likes may not be what others like18:50
spiroomhb: Yes, there is. But I feel like I have sort of a perfect eye for it, mostly because people get happy when I design, most people like. Then I also have quite a sense for proportionality18:51
spiroomhb: Certainly, The main code is the base how the graphical interface has to be done.18:52
jpatrickapt-cache show kdelibs5-data18:53
jpatrickMaintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@ubuntu.com>18:53
spirooI am also quite stubborn and a perfectionist, which I think is a good personality for this.18:53
spirooCan I get any tips from someone?18:56
ScottKspiroo: Are you running Kubuntu's KDE4 packages now?18:57
Trigger7spiroo: either find an app and start hacking, work on packages, or if you want to start coding at the beginning: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development18:57
spirooScottK: As much as I can yes I would say, but I have not been able to get internet work there. Because there is no support for GlobeTrotter modem.18:58
vorianany ideas as to how to correct this error?18:59
ScottKMy general advice is to dive in, find bugs that annoy you, and see if you can figure out fixes.  If you get fixes, we can help you package them.18:59
spirooSo I am quite handicaped for the moment :D I would like to test more apps, like Amarok 2 :)18:59
ScottKvorian: You're probably missing s ($CURDIR)/ in your debian rules.19:00
spirooScottK: Allright, seems like a good idea :) Is it good to design new interfaces, or develop new ideas. I mean for the moment I quite does not know anything behind Linux/KDE4, feels like it anyway :P19:01
ScottKI think when you are starting, it's best to try and gain understanding of what's there already through small bug fixing.19:01
vorianScottK: they are all over in rules19:03
spirooScottK: ok, hmm but then where does KDE lack mostly for the moment, where do we need better support, generally I mean.19:03
ScottKspiroo: KDE4 is just released and so could probably use some help most everywhere, but I'm not the best person to answer.19:04
spirooScottK: allright, yes personally I would like to better up the GUI.19:05
spirooScottK: And use more OOP and develop out from the MVC model structure. MVC is mostly for the web, but I would say it could work inside a OS also.19:06
ScottKvorian: DMARBLE_DATA_PATH=/usr/share/marble/data ... is that right?19:07
nixternalspiroo: it sounds like you have asperations to become an upstream developer :)19:07
ScottKnixternal: Let him start out as a downstream bug fixer...19:07
spirooModel = Internet or maybe the hardware, you read the hardware inside the Control Layer, which then from the analyze attach different methods and so on. Then we have the view-layer which should work as a application or grapgics layer.19:08
nixternalwell MVC got its start with the GUI, it isn't until recently that MVC implementations have been making their way to web2.0 frameworks19:09
nixternalfor the time being, Qt4 is out MVC framework...yeeeehawwwwww19:09
vorianlooks like /usr/shar/new/marble/data19:09
spiroohehe :)19:11
ScottKvorian: That error makes me think rules is trying to install outside it's chroot.  I suspect if you add curdir on the front of that it'd work, but I'm not sure.19:11
* nixternal kicks eric, the python ide19:11
* nixternal can't wait for the python plugin for kdevelop to be complete..speaking of which, I need to check up on its progress19:12
vorianso like this19:13
ScottKThat's my thinking.19:13
* vorian tries it out19:14
gribelu i'm giving up.. can't get a multirow taskbar.. opensuse people rule :|19:16
aantipopits in 4.1 branch i did read19:16
gribeluopensuse backported it to 4.0 .. panel resizing (with config file) was backported by the kde people.. panel resizing is easy to back port, i have it with UI and all no problem but multi-row tasks that's hard19:18
vorianScottK: that did the trick on that error19:19
gribeluanyone smarted than me want to try it?19:19
vorian(there are now a few more like that to fix)19:19
ScottKvorian: You understand what was wrong?19:19
voriannot exactly19:20
vorianbut I know that the $(CURDIR) allowed the dir to be created19:20
vorianI rebuilt and got the same error on another path19:20
ScottKBecause it made it a relative directory entry in the package.19:20
ScottKIt's like the difference between ls /etc/group an ls etc/group.19:21
vorianok, that makes sense19:21
ScottKOf course I picked a dumb example of ls'ing a file, but you get it.19:21
smartergribelu: multirow taskbar is in kdebase-workspace 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu2, isn't it? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-February/006256.html19:28
gribelusmarter: is it in there? i wouldn't know.. i haven't updated since hours ago19:29
vorianok, icon install problem19:30
gribeluthe "y" was actualy intended for my dist-upgrade sorry19:30
smartergribelu: " Added: kubuntu_401_plasma_taskbar_multirow.diff which adds multirow"19:31
smarterbut the packages have not finished to build ATM19:31
gribelui shall kill whoever did it though... if it works...19:32
gribelujust for fun19:32
smarterThe changelog says apachelogger ;)19:32
gribeluhe be crippled then.. you are a good friend!19:33
nixternalapachelogger_: speaking of which, did you by chance test your patches? I just built and installed and now I can't boot into KDE 4, SEGFAULT19:33
nixternalit says "FATAL ERROR: QUIT STEALING FROM TRUNK!"19:33
gribelusmarter: resizing came easy, with or without UI, but the multi-row taskbar was complicated.. it looked hard to me anyway19:34
nixternalI am beginning to think, there is no IDE better than Eclipse19:34
smarterKDevelop, QDevelop?19:35
Tonio_toma: ping ?19:35
nixternalneither are as good as Eclipse unfortunately19:35
tomaTonio_: pong19:35
nixternalI like Eclipse because there isn't a language you can't code in with it19:35
Tonio_toma: I've been playing for hours with kdesudo-kde419:36
nixternalI can switch from a C++/Qt environment, right into a Java/Swing or Java/Qt environment, right into a JavaScript environment, into Python, Ruby, and anything else you can think of19:36
nixternalErlang, Ocaml, and the list goes on19:36
Tonio_toma: I couldn't find a way to write to the stdin of a kde4 kprocess.....19:36
vorianso can I add something like this to the icon path -DICON_INSTALL_DIR=$(CURDIR)/hicolor/128x128/apps/19:36
Tonio_toma: stdin, not stdout, that's my problem19:36
Tonio_toma: you told me you knew how to do this, so any idea ?19:36
Tonio_toma: I would really like to avoid using a k3process for the port....19:37
tomaTonio_: hmm, no.19:37
tomaTonio_: i thought you asked stdout then19:37
smartervorian: IIRC, $(CURDIR) is where you are located when you run dpkg-buildpackage, I don't think you want to install things here :)19:37
Tonio_toma: what to do then ? ask kde-devel channel ?19:37
tomaTonio_: so you want an application to wait and get input?19:37
Tonio_toma: I'm affraid that'll need a kprocess class modification, btw19:38
Tonio_toma: yep19:38
tomaTonio_: that should be standard c functionality19:38
Tonio_well sdo already does19:38
Tonio_toma: the way kdesudo works is this :19:38
Tonio_sudo is started in a kprocess, waiting for the password on stdin19:38
Tonio_then the password is set via the kpasswddialog and sent to sudo via kprocess::writestdin19:39
Tonio_simply that way19:39
Tonio_everything is there for kdesudo to work on kde4, not that much is to be done now, except that stdin writing.......19:40
Tonio_toma: any chance you can help us on that point ?19:40
Tonio_I might not be able to help19:40
ScottKTonio_: There's a Klamav 0.42 out.  Mind if I upload it?19:40
vorianthat did the trick19:40
Tonio_ScottK please do !19:41
tomaTonio_: ok, so the sudo command waits for input, right?19:41
tomaTonio_: i mean, you want to pass the info from the password dialog back to sudo19:42
Tonio_toma: listens on stdin, right, inside the kprocess19:42
Tonio_the writestdin was the ideal way to do that with kde319:42
tomaTonio_: ok, where is that code again?19:43
Tonio_toma: gimme just a minute19:44
Tonio_I'm fixing a little bullshit in the code and give you the link19:44
Tonio_bzr checkout bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde419:48
Tonio_toma: here it is19:48
nixternalSnowrate for the Chicagoland area as of 13:45:  2 to 3 inches of snow per hour19:48
Tonio_toma: you should even have commit permissions now19:48
nixternaljjesse_: man do you have a mess coming your way19:48
Tonio_toma: see "pushPassword" in the code, that's where I can get and display the password given in the box.....19:49
Tonio_toma: now I just need to be able to push it stdin...19:49
Tonio_toma: just re-commited something, now it builds, so you don't have to waste your time for test.......19:51
tomaTonio_: ah, i cant do tht chechout19:51
Tonio_toma: hu ?19:51
Tonio_what does it say ?19:52
tomaTonio_: http://rafb.net/p/AtVJxn80.html19:52
Tonio_bzr checkout bzr+ssh://<your_lp_id>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde419:52
tomabzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar pack repository format 1 (needs bzr 0.92)\n'19:53
tomaI've bzr 0.9019:53
Tonio_toma: then : bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde419:54
Tonio_read only should work19:54
Tonio_if not I'll send you a tarball19:54
Tonio_toma: works ?19:55
tomaTonio_: no, i asked the mandriva guys to help me and i think they are fixing it19:56
Tonio_fixing what ? kprocess ?19:56
Tonio_toma: sorry but I didn't get you there, what are they fixing ?19:57
tomaa package >=0.9219:57
tomabackporting bzr19:58
Tonio_toma: HO you use mandriva now ?19:59
Tonio_I didn't knew this :)19:59
Tonio_toma: want a tarball maybe ? That'll be easier :)19:59
tomayep, for a while now. it was at that moment that gutsy was not an option and I was not that happy with feisty20:00
tomacan't recall the exact details20:00
Tonio_hehe okay ;)20:00
MaximLevitskyRidell, I am back (to annoy you :-) )20:01
vorianso, what are we using instead of interdiffs for updates?20:01
Tonio_toma: http://toniox.org/temp20:02
Tonio_toma: once again, thanks for your great help !20:02
Tonio_once that's done, if you succeed, I can handle the rest20:03
* apachelogger_ throws parts of the universe at nixternal20:07
nixternalapachelogger_: no need to, people in North America are waiting for parts of the universe to fall on us20:07
nixternalwell at least a spy satellite20:07
tomaTonio_: ok, they backported 1.1 and now i've a checkout20:08
* apachelogger_ notes that nixternal would be able to control spy satellites20:08
Tonio_toma: super ;)20:08
apachelogger_question is, why doesn't nixternal do20:08
nixternalI am working on a plasmoid to do just that now :)20:08
smartermaybe they're running windows20:08
smarterthat explains why it's falling :}20:08
apachelogger_nixternal: interessting approach20:09
nixternalya, a plasmoid and a wiimote20:09
nixternalworld domination I tell ya20:09
smarterwiimote FTW20:09
apachelogger_smarter: essentially I tend to think that windows is actually some how part of the universe20:09
nixternalseeing as 95% of the universe uses it :)20:10
apachelogger_nixternal: pfft, world, you could urge for much greater20:10
ryanakcahmm... *wonders when the showdown between the PSOD and plasmoid+wiimote will be* :)20:11
ryanakcapointy stick of doom (TM) ?20:11
smarterPlanetary Screen of the Death? :)20:12
apachelogger_all these tools20:12
vorianRiddell: marble updated w/ bug #18967520:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 189675 in marble "new upstream release for marble 0.5.1" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18967520:13
* apachelogger_ gets himself a sonic screwdriver20:13
apachelogger_way cooler than the psod and the plasmiimote20:13
ScottKTonio_: Upstream removed the automatic update functionality for Klamav/Clamav from Klamav, so we don't have to patch it anymore.20:14
Tonio_ScottK, good news, I suggested him to do so, but never got any response...20:14
smarteryay for screwdrivers :) http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8f52/20:15
ryanakcaapachelogger_: if you give me a few hundred euros/$, I could probably make you a chainmail hauberk with a Kubuntu Logo inlay... you could be a Kubuntu knight :P20:15
* ryanakca wonders where you could find screw drivers with all those heads20:15
apachelogger_soncis crewdrivers are still better20:16
apachelogger_-s somewhere20:16
ScottKTonio_: The Changelog credits a Gentoo patch.  Maybe he just finally heard it enough.20:17
Tonio_ScottK, possibly :)20:17
MaximLevitskyRiddell, you told me to email kevin kofler  about that fix in kdm. I assume he is the autor of kdm support for consolekit, but I don't know his email20:21
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: google for 'kevin kofler'...20:22
LureMaximLevitsky: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KevinKofler20:22
* Lure got it by ryanakca method ;-)20:23
RiddellMaximLevitsky: he is, I don't know his e-mail either20:23
ryanakcaMaximLevitsky: when it comes to open source people... if they've been involved for more than a month... you can pretty much garantee that you can find their email, and possibly a bio/wiki page on google :)20:24
MaximLevitskyThanks a lot20:24
* apachelogger_ searches for himself on google20:25
lontrawhat's the difference between the ppa kde3 packages and the regular ones in kubuntu?20:25
jpatricklontra: ppa has hardy updates20:25
lontrajpatrick: here it says gutsy updates too ... i only notice it b/c i got my kde4 packages from ppa and haven't commented it out20:26
lontraare they ok to upgrade to?20:26
jpatricklontra: must be bug fix, yeah20:26
ScottKThat or a test gone wrong and never uploaded.20:28
ScottKI wouldn't make assumptions.20:28
lontraScottK: so is it best to comment that out except for updating kde4 packages?20:29
NightroseTry the following:20:29
Nightrose1. In your home directory create a file called ".xinitrc"20:29
Nightrose2. In ".xinitrc" place the following line:20:29
Nightrosesorry ;-)20:29
ScottKlontra: I really have no idea.  I wouldn't install from a PPA unless I knew why I wanted that package.  For the KDE4 stuff you know that.20:30
* apachelogger_ doesn't know that app20:30
apachelogger_sorry sounds kinda stupid anyway20:30
Nightrosemeh apachelogger_ :P20:30
lontraScottK: thanks ... would you say ppa is analogous to debian's experimental repo?20:30
ScottKlontra: No.  Experimental is highly controlled in comparison.20:31
apachelogger_ScottK: that doesn't sound very flattering :P20:31
apachelogger_we didn't broke the ppa once20:31
ryanakca<offtopic> hmm... did that falcon-the-language vs falcon-the-package-archive-util issue ever get resolved? </offtopic>20:31
ScottKapachelogger_: It's not wrong though.20:31
ScottKryanakca: Yes20:31
ryanakcaScottK: :)20:31
ScottKapachelogger_: Any LP user can create a PPA and upload anything to it.  It's not limited to actual developers20:32
ScottKNot saying the KDE team PPAs aren't good, but that PPAs in generally are uncontrolled 3rd party repositories.20:32
lontrathanks that helps me understand PPAs a bit better20:33
ryanakcaScottK: wouldn't that cause support issues (having PPA open to all)... thinking back to all that "we don't support 3rd party packages!" trouble in #ubuntu last year or something? Not that PPA for everybody is a bad thing.... might pull people into packaging... meh :)20:33
Nightroseapachelogger_: hold me - I feel like crying :/20:33
apachelogger_ryanakca: it is open to all20:34
apachelogger_Nightrose: why?20:34
ryanakcaapachelogger_: yes, sorry, s/wouldn't/doesn't/20:34
ScottKryanakca: I think it's a very bad thing.  We don't support 3rd party packages, but it's almost impossible for the average user to tell the difference any more.20:34
Nightroseapachelogger_: borked my desktop system this morning - reinstalling now and it takes ages20:35
ryanakcaScottK: imho, most people associate anything on launchpad to "official Ubuntu"20:35
apachelogger_Nightrose: why did you do that?20:35
Nightroseapachelogger_: oh I felt like it20:36
* apachelogger_ never does20:36
MaximLevitskyRiddell, I emailed Kevin Kofler, and he already answered me21:19
MaximLevitskyHe says that kubuntu version of consolekit is outdated, and that the fix for XDMCP isn't good.21:21
MaximLevitskyThe right fix is to use latest version of consolekit he posted at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14779021:21
ubotuKDE bug 147790 in general "RFE: ConsoleKit support in KDM (preliminary patch provided)" [Wishlist,New]21:21
tomaTonio_: ping21:22
tomaRiddell: when i do a bzr commit, is it pushed to the server automatically ?21:23
stdintoma: no you need to do bzr push21:23
tomastdin: no push location known or specified21:24
hadsGive it the push location once and it will remember it.21:24
stdinah, then you need to give it one. but it'll remember it after21:25
tomasilly bzr21:25
hadsSilly non-mind-reading :)21:25
tomastdin: no new revisions to push21:26
stdinyou did "bzr commit"?21:27
smarterafaik, if you've created your branch with checkout it pushes things automatically if you don't specify --local21:27
tomasmarter: indeed. I did a new checkout and my changes are there21:28
tomaso all is ok21:28
tomaTonio_: i've commited the changes. have fun with it21:29
jpatrickman /me needs a DD.... again21:30
smarterjpatrick: Debian Developer? ;)21:31
jpatricksmarter: yes21:31
smarterjpatrick: could you re-re-ack Bespin please? :}21:33
jpatricksmarter: what did you break this time?21:33
jpatrickand don't lie, /me has debdiffs21:34
smarterjpatrick: nothing, but I uploaded a new revision right after you acked it21:34
jpatrick-Description: Bespin - a very glossy Qt4 widget style21:34
jpatrick+Description: A very glossy Qt4 widget style21:34
smarterLintian error21:34
jpatricksmarter: bespin and kepas acked21:35
smarterthanks mate21:35
MaximLevitskyWhat should I do,  (I am tried of that bug, seriosly) , Riddell, stdin, ..21:37
Tonio_toma: you rock !21:42
jpatrickMaximLevitsky: I suggest sending a message to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com - explaining what the problem is, and how it should be fixed21:42
Tonio_toma: and the stdin writting works ?21:42
tomaof course21:43
Tonio_damn, I wish I had your knowledge in coding21:43
Tonio_Riddell: thanks to the help of toma, we may have a working kdesudo-kde4 at time for hardy21:43
Tonio_Riddell: the big problem blocking mhb and myself has been fixed :)21:44
* jpatrick wishes he had anyones knowledge in coding21:44
Tonio_toma: a.setQuitOnLastWindowClosed( false );21:46
Tonio_toma: I've been searching for that one21:46
Tonio_toma: is that new in kde4 ? We didn't have the problem of quitting that way with kde321:46
tomaTonio_: i suddenly remembered that one from rsibreak ;-)21:46
Tonio_toma: hehe21:48
tomaindeed it is new in 421:48
tomaso basically when the last window is closed the application exits21:48
tomawhich was the case when the password dialog was closed21:49
Tonio_toma: that's KAppliction specific right ?21:49
Tonio_toma: well that's not that bad, as it avoids application broken in the background using cpu21:49
Tonio_toma: okay21:49
Tonio_toma: and p->write(pwd.toLatin1()+"\n");21:50
Tonio_I assume write is a qprocess method right ?21:50
tomayes it is21:51
tomayou should check that toLatin1() btw, could be toLocal8bit() is better, i don't know21:51
Tonio_toma: and to understand in details, what did you change in kdesudo.h ? I can't figure out the changes...21:51
tomaprobably depends on the system locale or something21:51
Tonio_toma: local8bits might be more compatible globally, especially talking about non latin locales.... I'll make some tests on that point21:52
RiddellMaximLevitsky: update the patch for the newer one21:52
RiddellTonio_: what was the big problem?21:53
tomaTonio_: ok. about the .h, I've changed the class not to inherit KPasswordDialog, but a QObject, and making the Dialog a member.21:53
Tonio_Riddell: printing the password to stdin as the new kprocess doesn't have a method for this21:54
MaximLevitskyRiddell, I ask at  kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, ok21:54
Tonio_toma: that's something I wanted to do in fact21:54
tomaTonio_: also because of the fact that we don't want the object to be destroyed when the dialog is closed21:54
Tonio_removing the kpassworddialog inheritance21:54
Tonio_toma: that was my concern too ;)21:55
tomaif that's your intuition, you should do it ;-)21:55
dschulzRiddell: Is appropiated if I ask you something regarding the libqt4-sql package here?21:56
Tonio_toma: bah because I'm not really a coder, I avoid doing things following my intuition ;)21:57
tomadschulz: smarter had a problem with that one too. maybe it's the same.22:02
dschulztoma: actually I have no *real* problems at all, just need support for firebird :)22:04
smarter_and I just need support for anything :)22:04
smarter_there's no qt sql driver at all here22:04
smarter_I get this: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" and nothing22:05
dschulzhave you installed libqt4-sql ??22:05
tomasmarter: did you try installing the other drivers?22:05
smarter_dschulz: yes22:06
smarter_toma: I don't feel like manually compiling Qt422:07
tomahu, there should be one for -mysql too22:07
dschulztoma: yes, I would like to have independent packages for each driver22:08
smarter_I would like to have drivers :)22:08
dschulzsmarter: your case is really weird22:09
smarter_dschulz: are you running hardy?22:09
dschulzsmarter: yes22:09
smarter_qt 4.3.3-0ubuntu2?22:09
tomasame version for the -sql ?22:10
tomadid you ever install qt from svn?22:10
dschulzI have not had any problem so far with qt422:10
smarter_do you have a $QT-whatever variable defined?22:12
smarter_env|grep -i qt22:12
tomasmarter: what is the path for qt?22:12
smarter_I don't have any QT variable defined22:13
smarter_and my PATH is standard path22:13
tomaanyhow, check if you have a plugins/lib/sqldrivers/libqsqlite.so in there22:13
smarter_there's no lib dir in /usr/lib/qt4/plugins22:13
tomaok, so check what that package installs22:14
tomadpkg -c package.rpm22:14
smarter_the libqsqlite.so file is in Qt3, not 422:14
dschulzups.. im running gutsy in this machine, forgot that.. hardy is in my home :S22:15
smarter_libqt4-sql install /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.3.322:15
smarter_and i have it22:15
smarter_md5sum af4d530584f43848de06d9f8248ebf4122:15
dschulzi have 4.3.2, a huge difference22:15
tomaok, try making a symlink in plugins name: lib pointing to that /usr/lib22:16
tomaand file a bugreport ;-)22:16
=== smarter_ is now known as smarter
tomaor copy the file over the right spot22:17
tomamight be safer22:17
dschulzsmarter: im just curious, can you try dpkg -L libqt4-sql | wc -l22:17
smarterI copied /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.3.3 in /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/lib/sqldrivers but no luck22:17
smarterdschulz: 1622:18
smarterthe only "real" file installed is the libQtSql.so.4.3.322:18
dschulzok i have 16 too22:18
dschulzsmarter: me too22:18
smarterdschulz: env|grep -i qt22:18
tomasmarter: did you copy the symling from ~.so to ~so.4.3.3  too ?22:19
dschulzsmarter: gives nothing22:19
dschulzsmarter: have you tried just reinstalling ?22:20
smartertoma: doesn't work :/22:20
smarterdschulz: reinstalling what?22:20
smarterI try22:20
dschulzsudo aptitude reinstall libqt4-sql22:21
smarterthat's what I'm doing22:21
smarterstill doesn't work :(22:21
dschulzi would like to see your c++ code22:22
smarterdschulz: http://pastebin.com/m4ff46a3f22:22
smarterI found it on the firebird bug report22:23
smarterjpatrick: ?22:23
jpatricksmarter: just four lines ;)22:24
smarterjpatrick: it's not the size that count! :P22:25
tomasmarter: what does a call to QSqlDatabase::drivers ()  output?22:26
jpatrick< smarter_> I get this: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" and nothing22:26
dschulzsmarter: your code works successfully here22:27
smarterdschulz: QSqlDatabase::drivers() outputs nothing22:31
tomaso it does not load the plugins22:31
dschulzsmarter: I tried this http://pastebin.com/m692db13c22:32
smarterdschulz: doesn't work22:33
tomasmarter: what's the output of QLibraryInfo::location(QLibraryInfo::PluginsPath)22:33
smartertoma: "/usr/lib/qt4/plugins"22:34
tomasmarter: ok, so that should hold the sql plugins, does it?22:34
smarteryes, it should but it doesn't :)22:35
tomain lib/sqldrivers22:35
tomait should work when they are in that folder.22:35
smarteroff to bed, thanks for the help22:36
dschulzsmarter: can you  strace ./mytest  ?22:36
dschulzsmarter: and copy to pastebin22:37
dschulzim comparing22:43
dschulzthe only difference I see is that every open (3) call returns  3 in my system, and 5 in yours22:49
dschulzin my system:    open("/usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 522:50
dschulzthats in your system, mine returns 322:50
smarterdschulz: ls -l /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4 ?22:51
dschulzlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-02-06 19:20 /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4 -> libQtSql.so.4.3.222:52
smartersame here(except I've 4.3.3 and not 4.3.2)22:52
dschulzsmarter: look at this  strace ./qtsql 2> out.txt ; grep '/usr/lib' out.txt22:56
dschulzsmarter: see how every call to open (3) returns 5 in your system22:56
dschulzi dont know exactly what errno 5 means22:59
smarterI'm not a unix system calls  guru :)22:59
smarteraccording to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_(system_call) there's no problem if it's not negative23:01
dschulzaha, but is somewhat strange the difference  3 vs 5 in every call23:02
dschulzhave you tried running ldconfig ?  just to try23:04
smarterdoesn't work23:04
smarterI'm pretty sure it's a bug in latest Kubuntu Qt patch23:05
dschulzme too23:05
smarteranyway, off to bed for real, good night everyone23:05
dschulztry qt4.4   :)23:06
dschulzgood night23:06
mhbRiddell: I guess we've forgotten about meetings, haven't we?23:43
* mhb votes to have one soonish23:44
coreymon77huh? what?23:50
coreymon77i say we make one at a time that i can make23:51
mhbI say we make me sleep23:51
Riddellmhb: saturday at 11 it should be23:51
mhbokay, updated the meeting page.23:53
coreymon77Riddell: and when would that be for me?23:53
mhbcoreymon77: ^^23:55
claydohits an gosh-awful time in the AM for me . EST :)23:57
claydoh6AM lol23:58
coreymon77oh come on!23:58
mhbclaydoh: well, this one is more Europe-centric23:58
coreymon77a little later please!23:58
mhbwe also do one at 23:00 A.M.23:58
claydohthats ok23:58
mhbthat'll be the one after this one23:59
mhbwhich means 6PM, I guess you can catch that23:59
coreymon77i usually eat dinner at 623:59

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