[00:00] <stdin> you can poke Riddell, Hobbsee or jpatrick too. or scream and shout in here until someone looks :p
[00:00] <MaximLevitsky> I try :-)
[00:00] <MaximLevitsky> I will try :-)
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks a lot
[00:01] <MaximLevitsky> Btw, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> There is a question about binary files in the end of the page
[00:02] <MaximLevitsky> What do you think about it?
[00:04] <stdin> are you adding any binary files?
[00:05] <MaximLevitsky> No
[00:06] <MaximLevitsky> Just want to know what is done in case of this
[00:06] <stdin> you'd have to uuencode any binary file, but that's something you don't need to worry about now
[00:09] <MaximLevitsky> Last question, what if I assign tjis bug to Jonathan Riddell, is this ok? , (Most bugzillas has a cc list, but I don't see this in launchpad)
[00:10] <stdin> we (the kubuntu team) get emails from all the bugs in all the KDE packages anyway
[00:11] <yuriy> stdin: if one subscribes to kubuntu-bugs that is...
[00:13] <stdin> yuriy: Riddell does :)
[00:13] <stdin> besides, the bug contact for kdebase (and other kde packages) is "Kubuntu Team", so you only need to be a member of that to get bug emails
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> But this anoying bug is still unnoticed....
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> I mean the XDMCP allows easly to launch KDE4 in xnest
[00:16] <stdin> it was only reported on 2007-12-23, I wouldn't call that unnoticed
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> Btw the debdiff must be applied on top of exactly the same package it was generated, or not
[00:19] <stdin> yeah
[00:20] <MaximLevitsky> Thus mine debdiff will be obsolte in few days...., right
[00:20] <stdin> why is that?
[00:21] <ryanakca> kwwii: ping, were you interested in submitting a mockup?
[00:22] <MaximLevitsky>  stdin, because kdm is a part of kdebase, and this package is updated qute often, (I am on hardy this is...)
[00:22] <MaximLevitsky> And you say that debdiff won't apply on the modified package
[00:23] <stdin> 3 updates a month isn't that often
[00:23] <stdin> and you'll get your patch into the next update if you upload it
[00:23] <mhb> ryanakca: hmm
[00:23] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm not sure you get this Europe thing
[00:23] <mhb> ryanakca: let me explain: it's real late in Europe
[00:24] <mhb> ryanakca: 01:22 A.M.
[00:24] <mhb> if you were a married man with children, would you be fresh at 01:22 AM ?
[00:24] <mhb> :o)
[00:24] <mhb> (I assume he is)
[00:25] <stdin> it's not 01:22 AM where I am, and I'm in Europe ;)
[00:25] <mhb> stdin: true, but not in my europe, he's in my europe :o)
[00:25] <stdin> I thought it was *our* europe :p
[00:26] <mhb> stdin: where are you? uk?
[00:26] <stdin> yeah
[00:27] <mhb> ryanakca: anyway, I'm just joking, but I don't think you'll catch him at this time.
[00:27] <mhb> ryanakca: I hope you're not offended
[00:28] <stdin> it is indeed late and I would say my bed was calling me if I wasn't actually lying on my bed now
[00:28] <mndo> mhb: in portugal is even sooner..~00h28am :)
[00:28] <ryanakca> mhb: lol :)
[00:28] <MaximLevitsky> stdin, actually I need to change a kubuntu patch, not to add one, the bug is in 70_kdm_consolekit.diff
[00:29] <MaximLevitsky> Fortunialy, I can just edt the patch, since the fix is trivial
[00:29] <ryanakca> mhb: I pinged him and then tried to implement a gcd function in C++... incledible how such a simple algorithm (Euclid's algorithm) can give so many errors... all of them syntax of course :)
[00:29] <stdin> MaximLevitsky: then just change the changelog comment to "Edited debian/patches/70_kdm_consolekit.diff to fix ... (LP: #????)"
[00:30] <mhb> ryanakca: that's like two lines
[00:30] <ryanakca> yeah, here's what I have :
[00:31] <mhb> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54945/
[00:31] <ryanakca> mhb: http://blog.ryanak.ca/gcd.cpp
[00:32] <ryanakca> mhb: do you need the 'else', since the function probably breaks after it returns once?
[00:32] <mhb> no
[00:33] <ryanakca> gcd.cpp:9: error: invalid operands of types ‘double’ and ‘double’ to binary ‘operator%’
[00:33] <mhb> but it looks nicer :o)
[00:33] <ryanakca> lol
[00:33] <mhb> also, passing double is a bit strange, isn't it?
[00:33] <stdin> do you need doubles? rather than int's ?
[00:33]  * ryanakca shrugs and tries ints
[00:35] <ryanakca> heh, I added to change them from 'double' to 'const int'...
[00:35] <stdin> if you're passing by reference, use const int&
[00:36] <ryanakca> s/int/int&/ :)
[00:36] <MaximLevitsky> Sorry to bother you, with trivial questions, but is this a good changelog entry : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54946/
[00:37] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: you need -- Your name <youremail> date at the end
[00:37] <stdin> that's a bit verbose too
[00:38] <stdin> you're missing  hardy; urgency=low after the version
[00:38] <mhb> hmm, I wonder whether you can pass a % b as a "const int &"
[00:38] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: you can change "Fixes <launchpadlink>" to "(LP: #bugid)" too, iirc
[00:38] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks a lot
[00:38] <mhb> you know, you call there a gcd(b, a % b) ... is "a % b" an actual const int& ?
[00:38] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: and get rid of the "Thanks to <foo> for reporting this", if people are interested, they can probably look at the bug repord...
[00:38]  * mhb shrugs
[00:39] <MaximLevitsky> Btw, can changelog entries be autogenerated, like those small things
[00:39] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: in my most humble opinion
[00:39] <ryanakca> look at dch
[00:40] <stdin> something like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54947/
[00:40] <MaximLevitsky> ryanakca, thanks a lot, I just don't like t to take a credit for bug that wasn't fixed by me, but ok I remove the thanks line
[00:41] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks a lot
[00:41] <ryanakca> see this too, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog :)
[00:42] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: well, its just my most humble opinion, disregard and check with MOTUs if you want to keep it...
[00:42]  * ryanakca tries to find that debian changelog style guide
[00:54]  * DaSkreech heads home
[00:55] <MaximLevitsky> stdin, now I get this :
[00:55] <MaximLevitsky> gpg: skipped "Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>": secret key not availablegpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[00:55] <stdin> doesn't really matter if you're just making a debdiff
[00:56] <MaximLevitsky> Great, I don't yet have a digital signature
[00:56] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: have you created your key yet?
[00:56] <MaximLevitsky> No
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> I am just a ordinary user, I fix few bugs
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> I even fixed few bugs in likux kernel
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> likux/linux
[00:58] <ryanakca> then you'll want to create one :)
[00:58] <ryanakca> !gpg | MaximLevitsky
[00:58] <ubotu> MaximLevitsky: gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[00:59] <MaximLevitsky> I know about it, but I suppose I need to publish a key somehow, right?
[00:59] <MaximLevitsky> I played with it few times
[00:59] <stdin> you just upload it to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[00:59] <ryanakca> well, generate the key, then upload it to a keyserver
[01:00] <stdin> it'll propagate through all the other servers then
[01:00] <MaximLevitsky> When I need, I will do that, thanks
[01:00] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: if you want to upload a package to Ubuntu, you'll need to :)
[01:01] <MaximLevitsky> I am sendind just a debdiff
[01:01] <MaximLevitsky> sending
[01:01] <MaximLevitsky> ?
[01:01] <stdin> or if you want to use PPAs, those are good to show that your fix works
[01:01] <stdin> you don't need a gpg key just to attach a debdiff though
[01:02] <ryanakca> nope
[01:03] <MaximLevitsky> And I thought that bugfixing the kernel is hard... just send a patch to LKML...
[01:04] <MaximLevitsky> And git generales patches....
[01:11] <MaximLevitsky> Done
[01:11] <MaximLevitsky> How does this look now
[01:11] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242
[01:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,New]
[01:16] <stdin> that's better
[01:33] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks everyone
[01:33] <MaximLevitsky> Goodbye
[01:34] <stdin> bye \o
[01:34] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks
[01:35] <david_edmundson> hey guys. Just read a blog post, by  Richard Johnson, that said anyone wanting to help with Kubuntu should stop off here
[01:35] <david_edmundson> my exams finsihed as of 4:00, and now I've got plenty of time free and I want to hack on things!
[01:36] <david_edmundson> I can do C++ programming, I've been helping out on Dragonplayer doing tiny fixes, but that's kindof in a really dull feature freeze time. Anything I can help with?
[01:38] <ScottK> david_edmundson: Welcome.
[01:38] <ScottK> david_edmundson: Where are your interests?
[01:39] <david_edmundson> making KDE4 awesome
[01:40] <david_edmundson> adding tiny features/bug fixing to stuff is really where I'm probably best at
[01:40] <david_edmundson> rather than anything massive
[01:40] <ScottK> Are you running our KDE4 packages now?
[01:40] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^^ Someone wants to help...
[01:41] <david_edmundson> yeah, excpet kdemultimedia which is SVN for dragonplayer
[01:41] <ScottK> I've got to run for a little while.  This is a quiet time of day here, but be patient and don't go away.
[01:41] <david_edmundson> okies
[01:41] <david_edmundson> when is busy time?
[01:41] <david_edmundson> it's about 1.30 AM here
[01:41] <ScottK> But if you want to dive in, find problems and propose patches, feel free.
[01:41] <david_edmundson> is there a "junior jobs" for KDE4?
[01:41] <ScottK> No need to ask permission.  If you can figure a patch, someone here will help you package it.
[01:42] <ScottK> None of the KDE4 packagers are here right now (mostly they are in Europe).
[01:42] <ryanakca> Saturdays tend to be busier.. 7 - 17h00 EST (UTC-5) tend to be busier too
[01:42] <david_edmundson> ok, I just don't want to repeat other peoples work, and having to join a billion mailing lists and IRC channels for each project will get tiresome
[01:42] <ScottK> Right.
[01:42] <david_edmundson> okies
[01:43] <ScottK> Feel free to either wait for direction or pick out something that's bugging you.
[01:43] <david_edmundson> ok will do.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> BOO!
[01:43] <ryanakca> Hey Hobbsee :)
[01:44] <ryanakca> david_edmundson: you could look on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging if you want to find something to package..
[01:44]  * ryanakca => bed :)
[01:44]  * Hobbsee attacks nixternal with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™
[01:44] <Hobbsee> oh goody, kde 4.0.1 is on the mirror
[01:45] <ryanakca> oh, there's a 4.0.1 already? *has been falling behind*
[01:45] <ScottK> david_edmundson: Or look on launchpad for bugs other people have reported.  Since you are a C++ programer, it's probably better you focus on figuring patches and let those of us who package ,package them for you.
[01:46] <david_edmundson> ok, shall I patch directly into KDE's svn?
[01:46] <david_edmundson> or through launchpad
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: why?  if ti didn't change any existing functions at all, just added more?
[01:46] <ScottK> david_edmundson: Depends on what it is.  If it's a big impact patch, I think we'd like it here to get it out.
[01:47] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Gotta run.  Back later.
[01:47] <david_edmundson> ta ScottK bye
[01:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: for debian, i think you want dch -Ui
[01:47] <Hobbsee> apachelogger_: no, they can't blacklist.  they can't even cancel builds
[01:58] <dasKreech> hi Hobbsee
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ScottK2: now the stick *does* know about KDE4, and has used it.  you can't stand in for it.
[02:01] <dasKreech> Hobbsee: Aww he makes a decent beating stick
[02:03]  * Hobbsee beats dasKreech
[02:03]  * dasKreech eeps
[02:04] <dasKreech> Wat haz I do ?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> dasKreech: i'm proving that The Stick is better for beating.  and you didn't fix all the kde4 bugs.
[02:05] <dasKreech> No one fixes all the KDE bugs
[02:06] <dasKreech> it's a thin excuse we use to fly around to drinking part^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H KDE Gatherings
[02:08]  * dasKreech would much rather be poked and prodded by Hobbsee than KDE.*
[02:40] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'll gladly step back.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> or you can jus tborrow the stick
[02:41] <ScottK> K.  I'll remember that.
[02:41] <ScottK> BTW, my thing about dch is I think modifying our tools to support 3rd party repositories is a big deal that should have been discussed.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> this is true, but PPA's are kinda different
[02:43] <ScottK> They are part of LP, but not part of *buntu
[02:44] <ScottK> I also think that if we are going to support it, we ought to have some discussion about what the rules should be for versioning, naming, etc.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> well, feel free to put up a discussion at ubuntu-devel@l.u.c if you like
[02:46] <ScottK> I will, but probably not today.  It'd have been nicer to do it before, but better late than never.
[02:53] <jjesse> including in the Home directory the folders Documents, Videos, Music , etc is part of what again?
[02:58] <jjesse> also do you conside the different parts of the application launcher as tabs?  i.e. Favorites, Applications, Computer, etc...
[03:18]  * lontra wonders if guidance-powermanager will be updated to new oxygen theme
[03:28] <nixternal> hola
[03:28] <jjesse> hola
[03:28] <jjesse> did you vote today?
[03:28] <vorian> w00t nixternal
[03:29] <nixternal> ya, I voted at 4, ran the polls until 6, then went to school
[03:29] <nixternal> jsut got home
[03:29] <vorian> nixternal: did you Barak the vote :)
[03:29] <nixternal> HELL NO
[03:29] <vorian> lol
[03:29] <vorian> Romney right?
[03:29] <nixternal> HELL NO again :)
[03:30] <jjesse> i wrote bush in for my vote
[03:30] <nixternal> if I was a millionaire, then I would have voted for Romney
[03:30] <nixternal> I am surprised by Hucklebee actually
[03:30] <vorian> I hate the Huckster
[03:30] <nixternal> I thought everyone did as well
[03:31] <vorian> he's nothing but a spoiler
[03:31] <vorian> and a religious Bigot
[03:31] <nixternal> with many skeletons in his closet
[03:31] <vorian> yes
[03:31] <dasKreech> ooooh Klosets!
[03:31] <vorian> and the other half of his body
[03:31] <nixternal> kennedy type skeletons
[03:31] <jjesse> according to cnn's tracker barak is doing well
[03:31] <nixternal> ya, but hillary will eventually chew him up and spit him out
[03:32] <vorian> or kill him
[03:32] <nixternal> hrmm, kde4-style-bespin was rejected, and smarter isn't here
[03:33] <vorian> nixternal: I got the upstream to fix the COPYING file for lemon
[03:33] <vorian> It has all 3 licences now
[03:34] <jjesse> saw that obama has 10 states vs. 6 for clinton, Hucakbee 6 states, Romney 3 states, McCain 6 states
[03:35] <nixternal> ya, but clinton has the big states, though obama gained 80+ delegates I think
[03:35] <nixternal> it will be close
[03:35] <vorian> if Romney is out, I'm going to Barak the vote
[03:35] <jjesse> don't blame me i voted for paul
[03:35] <vorian> we don't vote until March 4
[03:36] <vorian> but shoot, we could be in ww3 by then
[03:36] <jjesse> michgian's delegates don't count as the state moved things up and the parties decided not to count our delgates
[03:36] <jjesse> why ww3?
[03:36] <vorian> its the only way bush can stay president :P
[03:37] <vorian> (unseen winks an nods)
[03:38] <jjesse> hrmm will locking the deskopt in KDE4 be fixed before release of 8.04?
[03:40] <jjesse> i love working with large documents and tracking changes
[03:40] <jjesse> makes it easy to read
[03:43] <jjesse> krunner is what is displayed when you alt+f2 correct?
[03:43] <nixternal> jjesse: I see you are working on the book tonight :)
[03:43] <jjesse> yes i am
[03:43] <nixternal> the Edubuntu chapter is not going to be fun
[03:44] <nixternal> there is a lot of work that I have to get done by next week
[03:44] <jjesse> i have a lot of work that needs to be done
[03:44] <nixternal> and there are still quite a few issues with Edubuntu and its future
[03:44] <nixternal> jjesse: correct
[03:44] <jjesse> i think i'm doing a KDE4 version for the book and then a kde 3 version linked off a web page
[03:44] <nixternal> krunner = alt+f2
[03:44] <jjesse> the future of Edubuntu?  i thought it was gaining a lot of traction?
[03:44] <nixternal> oh, it isn't going anywhere
[03:45] <nixternal> it is just the way it will be made available
[03:45] <jjesse> oh
[03:45] <nixternal> w00t, there is the other Kubuntu document dude
[03:45] <jjesse> yeah?
[03:45] <nixternal> wasabi robotgeek
[03:45] <jjesse> hola robotgeek
[03:45] <robotgeek> hey nixternal, jjesse
[03:45] <nixternal> Edubuntu will supposedly be an addon CD for Ubuntu, LTSP is leaving the Edubuntu CD and going over to the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[03:45] <nixternal> stuff like that
[03:45] <robotgeek> just back from my trip from India.
[03:46] <nixternal> which, if you read the Edubuntu chapter, like 60% or more is LTSP
[03:46] <jjesse> ah
[03:46] <jjesse> interseting
[03:46] <nixternal> and after further discussions with the editor, I could tell they know absolutely nothing about *buntu :)
[03:46] <nixternal> robotgeek: how was the trip?
[03:47] <jjesse> you mean debra?
[03:47] <robotgeek> nixternal: short and hectic. looks like i am still jetlagged. i dozed off and woke up just now when a friend called
[03:47] <jjesse> seems pretty smart to me, she was at UDS Boston for 2 days
[03:47] <jjesse> i love how it seems in one version we go with Manage Packages (Adept Manager) and then in a different version we go with Adept (Manage Packages)
[03:48] <jjesse> makes things great
[03:48] <nixternal> ya, I want to doze off myself, I think we are supposed to have a MC meeting early in the morning
[03:48] <nixternal> and we are under a heavy snow warning right now
[03:48] <nixternal> 12+ inches
[03:48] <nixternal> yikes!
[03:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:48] <Hobbsee> slacking off the MC already?  :P
[03:48] <jjesse> 10 inches tonight
[03:48] <nixternal> if we get that amount of snow, then yes...I will have a ton of snow blowing to do
[03:49]  * jjesse has a plow guy
[03:49] <nixternal> and my parents, no they can't have a normal driveway, they have a nice HUGE rounded driveway
[03:49] <nixternal> typically takes 4 hours with the snow blower with 3 to 4 inches of snow
[03:50] <nixternal> well, I had a plow for my truck that I kept in the UHaul storage, but someone broke into it a couple of months back and stole everything out of it
[03:50] <nixternal> ie. they stole my 486 that was running Debian Potato
[03:50] <jjesse> bummer
[03:50] <nixternal> that was my first computer to I ever bought in 1994
[03:50] <nixternal> err
[03:50] <nixternal> 1992
[03:50] <jjesse> can you still get updates for potato :) :)
[03:50] <nixternal> I have no idea
[03:50] <nixternal> I booted it up last summer to see what was on it
[03:51] <nixternal> a lot of Linux Documentation Project files
[03:51] <jjesse> in case anyone cares
[03:51] <jjesse> CLINTON: AR, MA, MO, NY, NJ, OK, TN
[03:51] <jjesse> OBAMA: AL, CT, DE, GA, ID, IL, KS, MN, ND, UT
[03:51] <jjesse> HUCKABEE: AL, AR, GA, MO, TN
[03:51] <jjesse> MCCAIN: AZ, CT, DE, IL, NJ, NY, OK
[03:51] <jjesse> ROMNEY: MA, ND, UT
[03:52] <nixternal> heh, I grabbed the Republican ballot, and 2 of my friends from high school were on it running for some local board stuff
[03:53] <dasKreech> nixternal: mail me some edubuntu docs if you want me to proof read. I haven't been keeping up with edubuntu it seems
[03:53] <nixternal> hey, someone had a good idea for the wallpaper... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals  <-- Riddell - the Elephant Blue ones, I use them on my desktop and it does look really sharp, though I change up the super bright kicker
[03:54] <nixternal> dasKreech: I need to write something first :)
[03:54] <nixternal> right now I just went through and did s/10/9/
[03:54] <jjesse> that elephant blue one is cool
[03:54] <nixternal> I have to go to the book store tomorrow and read through the chapter making sure the screenshots can stay or go
[03:54] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, it looks really good too
[03:54] <jjesse> grin you don't ahve a copy of the latest version?
[03:54] <nixternal> it totally fits the *buntu as well
[03:55] <nixternal> jjesse: no, I gave mine away at the gutsy release event
[03:55] <jjesse> btw debra said that currently the official bubuntu book is the most popular selling linux book out there
[03:55] <nixternal> you want to hear something funny about that jjesse?
[03:55] <jjesse> sure
[03:55] <nixternal> the guy who wanted the book just for the Kubuntu chapter, so I think Eddie told him I was Jonathan Jesse, so I signed it as you :p
[03:55] <jjesse> ha that's awesome
[03:56] <jjesse> my co-workers give me crap about the book all the time
[03:56] <jjesse> they make me sign there copies
[03:56] <nixternal> haha, that rocks
[03:56] <nixternal> netsplit on oftc just filled up my screen
[03:59] <jjesse> hrm now on to the part about upgrading between gutsy w/ kde4 to hardy w/ kde4
[03:59] <nixternal> sudo apt-get dist-upgrage :p
[03:59] <jjesse> will update_notifier still let you knwo  htere is a new version upon release date?
[03:59] <nixternal> I have updated like that since Dapper and have yet to hit a snag
[03:59] <nixternal> although I do it from Stable -> Unstable...Stable -> Unstable....Stable...you get the idea :)
[03:59] <jjesse> update_notifier and adept_updater bombed on the feisty -> gutsy release
[04:00] <nixternal> have no clue on that yet
[04:00] <nixternal> for KDE 3 I am sure...for KDE 4 don't count on it, but don't count it out either
[04:00] <nixternal> only doing KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 4 -> KDE 4 for Hardy, don't think we will attempt KDE 3 -> KDE 4 just yet
[04:00] <nixternal> isn't necessary anyways until Hardy+1
[04:01] <jjesse> that's what Riddell told me, no kde 3 to kde 4 automagic update
[04:01] <jjesse> awesome, complete re write of system settings sectin, inlcuding how to manage users requires system settings kde3
[04:01] <jjesse> schweet
[04:03] <nixternal> dude, you have it easy, at least you know 100% what you are writing about and at least 75% of what to expect
[04:03] <nixternal> I know about 75% of what I am writing about and about 10% of what to expect
[04:03] <nixternal> hell, the devs only know 15% of what to expect :p
[04:08] <dasKreech> nixternal: no I mean any links to discussions the edubuntu guys had or release notes or something
[04:10] <nixternal> #ubuntu-meeting is about it
[04:20] <dasKreech> The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
[04:21] <vorian> :P
[04:22] <ScottK> dasKreech: Sure.  It totally sucks.  It's just better than the other choices.
[04:22] <nixternal> man, it is so nice having my guilty pleasure of flash and youtube back in konqi
[04:23] <nixternal> that means I don't have to boot up windows anymore when someone gives me a flash link
[04:23] <dasKreech> ScottK: Well done :)
[04:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Remember our fun with scribus the other day?
[04:40] <ScottK> How come patching the upstream.desktop 'fixed' your icon problem when scribus.install installs the one in the debian directory?
[04:40] <ScottK> And the problem wasn't your imagination because someone else had filed a bug on it.
[04:48] <ScottK> dasKreech: I can paraphrase Winston Churchill with the best of them.
[04:49] <dasKreech> ScottK: ) I don't count  as the best so don't do it with me you'll dull yourself
[04:50] <ScottK> What would you say's the best then?
[04:50] <dasKreech> !info elisa hardy
[04:50] <ubotu> elisa (source: elisa): media center solution. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1 (hardy), package size 10786 kB, installed size 17160 kB
[04:50] <dasKreech> ScottK: now I'm confused :) what?
[04:50] <dasKreech> !info kde4-core hardy
[04:50] <ubotu> kde4-core (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 core modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[04:51] <dasKreech> Oh sweet it indexs ppas as well
[04:51] <ScottK> You said The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
[04:51] <ScottK> Then I said it sucks but it's better than all the others
[04:51] <dasKreech> Right and you picked up the winston churchill and gave me back one
[04:51] <ScottK> Then I said I could paraphrase W.C.
[04:51] <dasKreech> with the best of them
[04:52] <ScottK> Ah.   I see now.
[04:52] <dasKreech> I'm not amongst the best of them so I'm not going to start a quote war
[04:52] <dasKreech> Now with out heavy wikiquote help :)
[04:52] <nixternal> ScottK: hahah, scribus was a pita
[04:52]  * ScottK gets it now....
[04:52] <dasKreech> I wonder if sabdfl is on Wikiquote yet
[05:01] <nixternal> does that quote have anything to do with this picture -> http://static.kdenews.org/jr/mark-shuttleworth-linuxtag.jpg :p
[05:38]  * Jucato silently mumbles as nixternal ruined his day with that pic...
[05:38] <nixternal> why?
[05:38] <nixternal> looks sweet doesn't it? :)
[05:38] <Jucato> pfft :P
[05:38] <nixternal> or because I didn't sell you out on your fluffy bunny theme :p
[05:39] <Jucato> hahah no that pic above ^^ :)
[05:39] <Jucato> (the chicago skyline wallpaper is purty...)
[05:40] <Jucato> nixternal: as for black and white oxygen icons, I'm not sure, is there still an Advanced tab in the Icons module in System Settings 4?
[05:41]  * nixternal looks
[05:41] <Jucato> there's a "To Gray" effect
[05:41] <Jucato> if it's still there in KDE 4
[05:41] <nixternal> yes there is
[05:42] <nixternal> just set everything to gray?
[05:42] <nixternal> hehe
[05:42] <Jucato> :D
[05:42] <nixternal> damn, I might have to give that a shot
[05:42] <nixternal> I would have some al capone like kde 4 going on
[05:42] <Jucato> lol :)
[05:43] <Jucato> hm... we still need the PPA in hardy to install 4.0.1 right?
[05:44] <mi>  where can i found widget for weather in kde4?
[05:46] <Jucato> should be in the extragear plasma package if I'm not mistaken (which I usually am...)
[05:47] <mi> no in extragear
[05:48] <apachelogger_> Hobbsee: needs improvement then, I guess :)
[05:48]  * apachelogger_ heads off to school
[05:50] <Jucato> hm.... using Code::Blocks to create Qt4 apps... I just find that ironic :)
[05:51] <Jucato> mi: not in extragear-plasma? try plasma-playground
[05:53] <Jucato> where's the most up to date (but hopefully still accurate) packaging guide? still the wiki?
[06:03] <nixternal> k'nite!
[06:03] <dasKreech> night
[06:03] <Jucato> good night nixternal!
[06:03] <Jucato> (you're early tonight)
[06:16] <mi> plasma-playground can't be install because kde4base
[06:17] <ScottK2> What's the error?
[06:17] <mi> version 3.94.0
[06:18] <ScottK2> That's a version number, not an error.  If that's what you have, I think (I'm not sure) you have to uninstall the pre-4.0 packages and then install 4.0 or 4.0.1.
[06:18] <ScottK2> Jucato: Do you know?
[06:19] <Jucato> mi: you're apparently installing one of the alpha/beta versions of KDE 4
[06:19] <mi> no i install clean kde4 and update in 4.0.1
[06:20] <ScottK2> Where does 3.94.0 come from then.
[06:21] <mi> in synaptic say 0ubuntu1
[06:21] <Jucato> ah yeah... I think plasma-playground has a wrong/bad dependency....
[06:22] <mi> yes that is right
[06:22] <Jucato> well I'm not really sure where the weather plasmoid is right now, so if it isn't in extragear-plasma...
[06:22] <mi> lol never mind
[06:24] <Jucato> my guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated...
[06:24] <ScottK2> mi: Are you on Hardy or using the Gutsy PPA?
[06:24] <mi> in extragear i can't find then must be in playground then
[06:25] <mi> ScottK2: yes
[06:25] <mi> gutsy sorry
[06:25] <mi> but in second pc i have hardy
[06:25] <ScottK2> OK.
[06:26] <ScottK2> But the problem is in the gutsy ppa?
[06:26] <mi> yes
[06:29] <ScottK2> I don't think I can upload to that one.  Sorry.
[06:29] <mi> ;
[06:32] <mi> i just try 2 install playground in hardy same thing kde4base is not be install :(
[06:32] <Jucato> my guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated...
[06:33] <mi> ok ...i use karamba then
[07:21] <mi> alpha4 realy look good
[07:37] <santiago-ve> heh... i still cant make my wifi work in alpha4
[07:38] <mi> lol
[07:38] <santiago-ve> besides that
[07:39] <santiago-ve> i'm happy with it :)
[07:39]  * santiago-ve is still running feisty as his main SO but has hardy for testing
[07:41] <mi> hardy have X11-xcb files ...nice to see this
[08:12] <buz> is anyone else seeing kde3 systray icons show up anywhere but on the systray in 4.0.1?
[08:13] <Jucato> buz: the first time I ran it yeah. then I removed the system tray plasmoid, and readded it.. working ok then
[08:13] <Jucato> in fact, first time I ran it, even klipper4 was missing
[08:13] <buz> now that you say it...
[08:14]  * Jucato thinks he couldn't survive without klipper...
[08:14] <buz> mhh that didnt really fix the issue
[08:14] <buz> now i dont see the icons anywhere...
[08:14] <Jucato> dunno. that fixed mine :)
[08:14] <Jucato> sure you removed the plasmoid?
[08:15] <buz> yes it was gone
[08:15] <buz> did you logout after that
[08:15] <Jucato> nope
[08:15] <Jucato> try adding the plasmoid to the desktop first. (hint, like in kde3, you can only have one system tray running it seems)
[08:15] <buz> now klipper shows up
[08:15] <buz> but not the kde3 things
[08:16] <buz> same on the desktop
[08:16] <Jucato> hm.. knetworkmanager showed up
[08:16] <buz> smb4k still floats around in the upper left corner
[08:16] <buz> i shall try restarting kde
[08:17] <buz> maybe kded is doing something weird
[08:17] <Tm_T> hi kids
[08:17] <Jucato> yo gramps!
[08:18] <buz> didnt help either
[08:22] <buz> oh great now amarok wont start
[08:25] <buz> there's something wrong with the kde3 session, when i kill klauncher and kded and restart kdeinit it seems to work again
[08:27] <buz> yeah definitely something about kde3
[08:27] <buz> now everything behaves as it should
[08:27] <buz> oh another swiss :P
[08:27] <Jucato> hm.. swiss miss...
[08:28] <Jucato> heh sorry... totally unrelated
[08:36] <_StefanS_> morning
[08:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: here's a screenshot with qtcurve enabled in kde4: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot5.png
[08:40] <_StefanS_> apachelogger__: you there?
[08:41] <Jucato> qtcurve?
[08:41] <buz> did the 2 line taskbar not make it into 4.0.1?
[08:41] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[08:41] <Jucato> nope
[08:41] <buz> too bad
[08:41] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[08:41] <Jucato> afaik it's either only in trunk or will be backported to 4.0.2...
[08:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep, craig drummond did a qtcurve style+windeco for kde4
[08:41] <Jucato> oh...
[08:42] <Jucato> so we'll be using qtcurve for our kde4 apps?
[08:42] <Jucato> instead of oxygen?
[08:42] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well hopefully on kde3 first.. let me find some screenshots
[08:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot1.png
[08:43] <_StefanS_> Jucato: http://enhance-it.dk/snapshot3.png
[08:44] <Jucato> oh those I saw before. didn't know they'd be going into KDE 4
[08:44]  * Jucato thought we were sticking to oxygen
[08:44] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well its only if people like it.
[08:44] <_StefanS_> Jucato: its just my two cents
[08:45]  * _StefanS_ is not deciding anything
[08:45] <Jucato> ah :)
[08:45] <Tm_T> anyone knows what mez wanted some days ago?
[08:45] <Jucato> still it's purty :)
[08:46] <_StefanS_> Jucato: its supposed to be a subtle change
[08:47] <_StefanS_> Jucato: but with some details, here's new wallpaper also: http://enhance-it.dk/Aquapattern_by_DJMattRicks2.png, it needs some adjustment, but I think it would be nice
[08:51] <buz> i like the current one better
[08:51] <buz> this is TOO dull
[08:52] <_StefanS_> I think the fractals are depressing :)
[08:52] <_StefanS_> and too much 1990's
[08:52] <iRon> _StefanS_: yeah.. i don't like it too :)
[08:53] <iRon> _StefanS_: i mean one with fractals
[08:53] <_StefanS_> iRon: yep I get it :)
[08:53] <_StefanS_> iRon: its too dark aswell..
[08:53] <iRon> and as for me, qtcurve is much better then oxygen... but plastique is my best theme ;)
[08:54] <_StefanS_> iRon: plastique isnt avail in kde4, right?
[08:54] <_StefanS_> iRon: oh its is, I see now.
[08:54] <iRon> _StefanS_: plastique _only available_ on kde4
[08:54] <iRon> plastique in kde4 is a bit different from plastik from kde3
[08:55] <_StefanS_> iRon: I'm kinda confused, because plastik is the only one I have
[08:55] <_StefanS_> iRon: in kde4.
[08:56] <iRon> but qtcurve is nice.. and there is qtcurve-gtk
[08:56] <_StefanS_> iRon: oh hell, its the style you're talking about :)
[08:56] <_StefanS_> iRon: found it.
[09:05] <mi> after update 2 4.0.1 cpu temperature is ok now....38
[09:05] <Jucato> Plastique is Qt's default style for Qt 4, inspired by KDE's Plastik of course :)
[09:05] <Jucato> _StefanS_: that wallpaper's better than the fractal one I agree :)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: thank you :)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: do you understand why icons cant be dragged from the kde4 desktop to, say dolphin ?
[09:06] <_StefanS_> Jucato: or is that feature still under development .. ?
[09:06] <Jucato> nope, but it works the other way around :)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> err..
[09:06] <_StefanS_> heh.
[09:06] <Jucato> nope = I don't know :)
[09:06] <_StefanS_> anyway I
[09:07] <Jucato> probably because once on the "desktop", they're no longer simply icons/files but plasmoids
[09:07] <Jucato> *maybe*
[09:07] <Jucato> anyway you
[09:07] <Jucato> :D
[09:08] <_StefanS_> Jucato:  spotted a problem in dolphin... we should enable the "Up" button default
[09:08] <Jucato> why?
[09:08] <Jucato> what's the problem?
[09:08] <_StefanS_> Jucato:  I did a ftp session to my server, and landed in /home/sfs.. but actually I needed to get to /storage, but the back button doesn't have that effect
[09:09] <_StefanS_> Jucato:  having the up button makes it work
[09:09] <Jucato> um that's the purpose of the breadcrumbs
[09:09] <Jucato> you click on the arrow or click and hold on the name to drop down a list of same-level folders
[09:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes, but that doesnt give me anything.. have you tried it ?
[09:10] <Jucato> let me verify. is /home and /storage on the same level? as in not /home/storage?
[09:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: there are no breadcrumbs, I can only select the kio
[09:11] <_StefanS_> right.
[09:11] <_StefanS_> .. /home/sfs, and I need to goto /storage instead.
[09:11] <Jucato> switch to breadcrumb (the yellow "undo" icon)
[09:13] <Jucato> hm...
[09:13] <_StefanS_> yes?? :)
[09:13] <Jucato> I see what you mean :)
[09:13] <_StefanS_> it cant show it, because it hasnt tried yet :)
[09:13] <_StefanS_> heh
[09:13]  * Jucato didn't recall it being like this though
[09:13] <Jucato> ah perhaps because of user@hostname...
[09:14] <Jucato> Alt+Up works... but yeah.. it's confuzzling...
[09:15] <_StefanS_> yep, we need to fix that or else the kio stuff is useless in some regards
[09:17] <Jucato> oh well :/
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea how the .kde/env/* files parsing is done ?
[09:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: gtk-qt-engine is broken on hardy due to the script in env folder not beeing executed....
[09:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be in startkde, afaicr, but the code seems missing in our current version
[09:29] <Jucato> Tonio_: does renaming .gtkrc-2.0-kde to .gtkrc-2.0 also fix it?
[09:29] <Tonio_> nope, since the standard gtk config is prior to this
[09:29] <Jucato> er.. ln -s I meant...
[09:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: this is the reason for that script to exist :) it overrides gtk standard settings while in kde sessiobn
[09:29] <Jucato> oh
[09:30] <Tonio_> Jucato: the point is that startkde script should have changed
[09:30] <Tonio_> # Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh
[09:30] <Tonio_> # (where <localprefix> is $KDEHOME or ~/.kde, and <prefixes> is where KDE is installed)
[09:30] <Tonio_> that part I'd say ;)
[09:34] <Tonio_> Jucato: manually executing the code works.........; weird.......
[09:34] <Tonio_> Jucato: can you confirm that the env isn't the good for you too ?
[09:35] <Jucato> firefox is the only gtk app I have here... it looks ok... :/
[09:35] <Jucato> although I don't even have a ~/.kde4/env/ :D
[09:35]  * Jucato goes in circles
[09:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: just run env | grep -i gtk
[09:35] <Tonio_> and paste the result here please ;)
[09:36] <Jucato> GTK2_RC_FILES=/home/jucato/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc-2.0
[09:36] <Jucato> GTK_RC_FILES=/home/jucato/.kde4/share/config/gtkrc
[09:37] <Tonio_> hum, not kde3 btw ;)
[09:37] <Tonio_> but those values are good, right
[09:37] <Jucato> I'm on KDE 4
[09:37] <Tonio_> someone here using kde3 please ?
[09:37] <Jucato> let me logout hahaha
[09:37] <Tonio_> Jucato: no way to test on kde3 hardy ?
[09:37] <Jucato> there's always a way :)
[09:37] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:38] <Jucato> but I try not to spend too much time on kde3... unless I change the wallpaper right now :P
[09:38] <Tonio_> :)
[09:38] <Tonio_> GTK2_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:/home/tonio/.gtkrc-2.0:/home/tonio/.kde/share/config/gtkrc-2.0
[09:38] <Tonio_> this is what I get, which is not good
[09:39] <Tonio_> I don't understand what causes this....
[09:39] <Jucato> hm... it's the same here
[09:39] <Tonio_> oki
[09:39] <Jucato> but firefox looks normal.. oh well :)
[09:39] <Tonio_> the strange thing is that executing the part of startkde code parsing env gives the good result :
[09:40] <Tonio_> % bash test | grep -i gtk                                                                                                                                        [0.08 0.15 - 25% 0%]
[09:40] <Tonio_> GTK2_RC_FILES=/home/tonio/.gtkrc-2.0-kde
[09:40] <Tonio_> weird isn't it ?
[09:40] <Jucato> O.o
[09:41] <Tonio_> I just copied a part of the startkde script in the test file
[09:59] <Tonio_> Jucato: found the fix :)
[09:59] <Jucato> yay! :)
[09:59] <Jucato> what was it?
[09:59] <Tonio_> for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do
[10:00] <Tonio_> for file in "$prefix"/*.sh; do
[10:00] <Tonio_> works
[10:00] <Jucato> O.o
[10:00] <Jucato> that simple?
[10:00] <Tonio_> not that simple since due to the previous line : for prefix in `echo "$exepath" | sed -n -e 's,/bin[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do
[10:00] <Tonio_> there should have been a /
[10:01] <Tonio_> I'm investigating this
[10:01] <Jucato> oh
[10:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: no way............
[10:06] <Tonio_> Jucato: it fixes the bug bug I can't seem to understand why that fails in the first attempt....... all values are correct and all variables are valid....
[10:06] <Tonio_> when prefix is /home/tonio/.kde/env//gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh -> works
[10:06] <Tonio_> when prefix is /home/tonio/.kde/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh > fails
[10:06] <Jucato> don't you just hate when that happens? things get fixed without you knowing how :/
[10:07] <Tonio_> yep ;)
[10:09] <Tonio_> Jucato: the line failing is  test -r "$file" && . "$file"
[10:09] <Tonio_> now I have to figure out why ;)
[10:09] <Tonio_> I don't want to workarround without understanding
[10:09]  * Jucato nods
[10:10] <Jucato> does it fail at test -r or at .?
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: sorry I logged off, and forgot to start konversation again
[10:21] <Jucato> it's ok. I didn't say anything much :P
[10:21] <Jucato> what was that quick and dirty way to make a .deb? debuild -something?
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: just debuild
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: or do you mean checkinstall?
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it makes some generic debs
[10:22] <Jucato> debuild -S? or that makes a .dsc?
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: it makes a dsc.. I was told yesterday to use debuild -S -sa .. donno what it means
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: the -sa switch I mean
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ping?
[10:23] <Jucato> ah ok :)
[10:23] <Jucato> I could have sworn you teached me something before :)
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I believe we should fix that Up thingy
[10:23] <Jucato> taught *
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: ah yep, it was something that Riddell told me
[10:24] <Jucato> _StefanS_: without any fix from upstream, I guess it's the best thing we could do in the situation (adding the Up button...)
[10:24] <Jucato> without any patching I mean :)
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I agree
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Jucato: could you check if dolphin in kde3 suffers the same issue?
[10:25] <_StefanS_> I uninstalled mine :)
[10:25] <Jucato> hahah I'm actually doing that now :)
[10:25] <Jucato> are you spying on me? :D
[10:26] <_StefanS_> Jucato: look up and to the right in your room. You'll see a small hole in the wall. There I am, staring at you.
[10:26] <Jucato> there are lots of holes O.o
[10:26] <Riddell> _StefanS_: hi
[10:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: we've been discussing the missing Up button in dolphin under kde4. Without it you cant do a ftp session, and go one directory up
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: for instance, I log in to /home/sfs, and need to go to /storage
[10:28] <apache|mobile> only show tasks on desktop: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot85.png - multirow tasks: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot86.png
[10:28]  * apache|mobile is smiling
[10:28] <Jucato> _StefanS_: I think this is one instance where D3lphin somehow beats Dolphin... :)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but because I havent visited the /root folder I havent got that list in the breadcrumb.
[10:28] <Riddell> yes you can, you just click on the directory name in the address bar
[10:29] <hads> The up button is the first thing I added :)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: wasn't that what you tried ?
[10:29] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[10:30] <Jucato> Riddell: not the same with remote locations. only applicable in local directories
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: spot on.
[10:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fancy trying to help me understanding the most stupid bug ever ?
[10:31] <Tonio_> that's AMAZING
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yessir.
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: shoot
[10:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: try doing a ftp session, my vsftp puts me in the home directory first, and therefore dolphin has no idea that other directories exist.
[10:31] <Riddell> works for me http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/dolphin.png
[10:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that code fails : http://paste.toniox.org/2794
[10:31] <Jucato> wb Tonio_
[10:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I don't see how an up button would fix that
[10:32] <Riddell> apache|mobile: nifty
[10:32] <Jucato> not like that. let me upload screenies :)
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the weirdest shellscript bug in front of my eyes now :), concerning startkde
[10:32] <Riddell> apache|mobile: did you upload a fix to the konqueror embedded issue?
[10:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: ug, shell
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: look at what Jucato uploads.. its different situation
[10:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://paste.toniox.org/2795 that one works
[10:33] <Tonio_> I just changed the place / is
[10:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: weirdest is that http://paste.toniox.org/2796 works too
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so whats the purpose of the script ?
[10:33] <Tonio_> parsing .kde/env
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but purpose isn't important
[10:34] <Jucato> _StefanS_: http://jucato.org/kde/img/d3lphin-wins.png
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll try
[10:34] <Tonio_> what I done't understand is what can cause the script to fail
[10:34] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/img/dolphin-loses.png (what's to click?)
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ^
[10:34] <apache|mobile> Riddell: yes, now I'm totally tired because I had to work until 1am ;-)
[10:34] <apache|mobile> Riddell: but it wil probably not fix the issue for KDE 3
[10:34] <Jucato> _StefanS_: did I get you correctly?
[10:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yep
[10:34] <apache|mobile> Riddell: so we need to sort the issue in the KDE mimetype IMO
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: to make it simple, startkde kde3 fails to parse .kde/env
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that the test is done that way :
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: for prefix in `echo "$exepath" | sed -n -e 's,/bin[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do
[10:35] <Tonio_> then for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do
[10:35] <Jucato> haha I bet Riddell's seeing red or yellow :)
[10:35] <Tonio_> and then the script is tested : test -r "$file" && "$file"
[10:35] <Jucato> the man of the hour :P
[10:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: it fails
[10:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: if I change the sed line changing /env/ by /env
[10:36] <Tonio_> and then test for "$prefix"/*.sh instead, it works
[10:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I need some data in those variables to understand that script and what the output is
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: believe me, all the variables never change in the output
[10:37] <Tonio_> is the 3 exemples, all variables are the same, but the test fails
[10:38] <Tonio_> fails in the second case.........
[10:38] <Tonio_> I thought about chars encoding, but no, that's not the problem
[10:38] <mi> why compiz don't have decoration in kde4 ... i mean kde decoration is kde3?
[10:38] <Jucato> _StefanS_:  re starting line 198 of /usr/bin/startkde
[10:38] <mi> compiz core from git have kde4 decoration
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well make sure you enclose the variables in "" and those that are in the lines with other stuff, make them ${var} instead to be sure gets them
[10:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's probably just dash.  feel free to fix
[10:39] <Tonio_> I have never seen such a stupid bug
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: the test fails when / is written by sed and the variable name is quoted
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: otherwise it works.....
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's just so stupid
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can patch, of course, but I would have like to understand
[10:39] <Riddell> well it is shell..
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: patching kdebase now......
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: good explanation ;)
[10:40] <_StefanS_> I still dont get it, but who cares :D
[10:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well with the same variable name, when the ending "/" is written by sed, and the variable is quoted, the file is not found
[10:40] <Jucato> Tonio_ cares :)
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: don't quote in the "test -r" line -> works
[10:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: get "/" written not by sed, it works
[10:41] <_StefanS_> ok then, good.
[10:41] <Tonio_> that reminds me of the time working on windows
[10:41] <_StefanS_> well shouldn't / be escaped?
[10:41] <Riddell> Jucato: seems like a bug that can be fixed
[10:41] <Tonio_> when you had to learn things without any explanation........ frustrating :)
[10:41] <Jucato> Riddell: the Dolphin one?
[10:41] <Riddell> Jucato: yes
[10:42] <Jucato> oooh interesting :)
[10:42] <Jucato> _StefanS_: ^^ :)
[10:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: should we pick the sources or add an up button ? :)
[10:43] <_StefanS_> be back in 15mins
[10:46] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'd rather not add another UI feature for such a corner case
[10:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, I will look at the sources
[10:50] <_StefanS_> apachelogger__: good work on the packages :)
[10:51] <Jucato> _StefanS_: or we can file a bug report and let ppenz do the dirty work for us :D
[10:51] <Jucato> (of course then we'd have to wait for the next release...)
[10:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://paste.toniox.org/2797
[10:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: by far the most stupid patch I ever wrote :)
[10:52] <Jucato> that sure beats my 1 line/word patch :D
[10:52] <Jucato> Tonio_ ftw! :D
[10:52] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:52] <_StefanS_> whatever works :)
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you see my qtcurve attempts for kde3?
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope ;)
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: because I wanted your opinion on kicker coloring (or not)
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: does it works well ?
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: indeed.
[10:54] <Tonio_> interesting
[10:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but that require people using both gnome and kde to use qtcurve right ?
[10:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so they can't have a different gnome apps theme in gnome and kde I imagin ?
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, you can still select which engine to use for gtk
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but we should ofcourse test that
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lemme find some screenies
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ftp://ftp.enhance-it.dk/snapshot3.png, ftp://ftp.enhance-it.dk/snapshot4.png
[10:56] <gribelu> i've been using qtcurve for months before i switched to kde4 .. works fine, looks fine
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes but is there a way with it that the gtk theme is different in a gnome session and in a kde session for gtk apps ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: afaicr, that's not possible
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wouldn't like that installing kubuntu-desktop on a gnome machine changes the preferences of the user
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the big advantage of gtk_qt_engine is that you keep your gtk settings for gnome or xfce, but have specific gtk settings in a kde session
[10:58] <Tonio_> without any change in the gnome config
[11:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase uploaded, gtk-qt-engine and ssh-agent should now work
[11:06] <Riddell> yay
[11:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, I we'll have to test that it.
[11:11] <_StefanS_> err
[11:11] <_StefanS_> test it.
[11:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: any plan to get the -devel guys to give attention to kde by the end of the dev cycle ? cause I feel a bit alone on the kde3 side I must say :)
[11:11]  * _StefanS_ hugs Tonio_ ... there.. there.
[11:11] <Tonio_> I am not physically and technically able to handle this alone, and we shouldn't forget that the global kubuntu users will not use kde4 for hardy
[11:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, you're in I'm not all alone, true ;)
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hehe
[11:12] <iRon> I'm on kde3 too :)
[11:12]  * Jucato wonders what _StefanS_ meant...
[11:12] <Tonio_> so talk about what you do :)
[11:13] <Jucato> when I get back from church in about 1.5 hours... fixing some stuff in Adept...
[11:13] <Tonio_> iRon: that might just be an impression, but everyone only talk about kde4 problems and so on..... a lot is still to do on kde3 on the qa/bugfix side
[11:13] <Tonio_> iRon: but I'm pleased to know you'r in too :)
[11:13] <Jucato> Tonio_: they will realize the folly of their ways when Hardy's released.. and then they'll be whining about why KDE 3 was abandoned...
[11:14] <Tonio_> iRon: french ?
[11:14] <iRon> Tonio_: russian :)
[11:14] <Jucato> bug 162829
[11:14] <Tonio_> iRon: okay, eugene is a typicall french name :) that's why I was asking
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162829 in adept "One button not translated to French" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162829
[11:14] <Jucato> bug 155022
[11:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155022 in software-properties "bad encoding in adept's software sources dialog" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155022
[11:14] <Jucato> there!
[11:15] <Jucato> I had those 2 in my list... waiting for French/Russian guinea pigs
[11:15] <Jucato> er... volunteers ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: 162829 is supposed to be fixed
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: I fixed it
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: but we need news langpacks
[11:15] <Jucato> :)
[11:15] <Jucato> cool :)
[11:15] <Tonio_> and we need the pot imported to rosetta, and the french team to translate etc...... no idea if that'll be done at time
[11:16] <Jucato> bug 152396
[11:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152396 in dpkg "[gutsy] adept installation progress report display incorrect message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152396
[11:17] <Jucato> hm.. I know I listed a bug with adept batch + language selector somewhere...
[11:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: see adept (2.1.3ubuntu19) changelog for details
[11:17] <Jucato> thanks I'll check
[11:17] <Tonio_> Jucato: you can also of course close the bug :)
[11:18] <Jucato> gah! why am I looking at debian/patches!!!
[11:19] <Jucato> ah kool saw it. kubuntu_28_fix_updater_makefile_for_translation.diff? :D
[11:19] <Tonio_> Jucato: that one was hard to fix I must say, I spent something like 2 days on it :)
[11:20]  * Jucato is lucky to not need localization :)
[11:20] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's THE big problem
[11:21] <Tonio_> most distro devs don't use a localized distro, and therefore miss all translation related bugs
[11:21]  * Jucato nods
[11:21] <Tonio_> that's one of the reasons I force myself to use a french kubuntu
[11:21] <Jucato> well the reason that I don't need a localized version is because there is none :)
[11:21] <Tonio_> I used an english one in the past but stopped
[11:21] <Jucato> our "national" language is English :)
[11:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: then sources should use an unused lang, like esperanto :)
[11:22] <Jucato> hahah :)
[11:22] <Jucato> Latin ftw!! :P
[11:22] <Jucato> anyway, I'm gone. catch you later. I have 2 questions for you :P
[11:22] <Tonio_> ah ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> oki I'll be arround :)
[11:23] <Jucato> well don't force yourself if you need to go :P
[11:24] <Tonio_> I don't :)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> BOO!
[11:38] <Hobbsee> now, what's a decent kde4 theme?
[11:40] <Riddell> any more suggestions for topics at UDS?
[11:41] <iRon> Riddell: PolicyKit integration? :)
[11:41] <Riddell> iRon: want to come and lead that?
[11:42] <iRon> Riddell: I couldn't :(
[11:42] <Riddell> iRon: aww, why not?
[11:42] <iRon> Riddell: I don't know english well :)
[11:42] <Riddell> could have fooled me
[11:42] <iRon> Riddell: and my sallary is too small to come to USD :)
[11:42] <Riddell> iRon: we can pay expenses
[11:43] <iRon> Riddell: not realy, my english is too bad
[11:43] <iRon> I could write and read.. but speak...
[11:45] <Riddell> well we're geeks, even when at a conference we still use irc :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> iRon: my english is far from beeing perfect, and I never had any problem at UDS
[11:46] <Tonio_> iRon: you have lots of people speaking with different accent and that's perfectly fine :) and as Riddell said, lots of things are done over irc anyway
[11:48] <Riddell> or gobby
[11:49] <Tonio_> also yes
[11:49]  * Hobbsee swaps over to kde4, now that the 4.0.1 is installed
[11:50]  * Tonio_ tests kde4 to check if the "no effects with ati" bug was resolved
[11:50] <Hobbsee> ouch.  it's not all installed.
[11:51]  * jussi01 cries cause kde4 still doesnt work properly for him
[12:09] <gribelu> umm.. i'm trying to hack something from KDE4 trunk into the current kdebase-workspace package but i'm kind of retarted when it comes to compiling. Is there any way to kind of 'resume' compiling a package where previously an error ocurred?
[12:10] <Tonio_> hum no change on my side
[12:10] <Tonio_> the only way to get effects is xrendr, but that's slow and unstable
[12:11] <smarter> gribelu: debian/rules build && debian/rules binary?
[12:14] <gribelu> smarter: i don't know what that means? (told you i was retarded) .. I apt-get sourced the package, patched what i needed and now i'm running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
[12:14] <smarter> gribelu: instead of doing dpkg-buildpackage, do debian/rules build && fakeroot debian/rules binary
[12:14] <gribelu> aah
[12:14] <gribelu> ok i shall try that
[12:15] <smarter> so the previous build will not be removed(debian/rules clean)
[12:15] <smarter> dpkg-buildpackage is just a wrapper around various debian/rules commands
[12:15]  * _StefanS_ starts kde4..
[12:16] <Riddell> gribelu: or add -nc  (for no clean)
[12:17]  * _StefanS_ never fails to be impressed with the intel integrated graphics... why isn't alle nvidia/ati like this..
[12:17] <_StefanS_> alle/all
[12:17] <gribelu> thanks for the tips. I'm trying to get the latest changes in the plasma panel to make it resizeable and multi-row ... resizing works great by just replacing panel.cpp and panel.h from trunk but multi-row and making the clock/tasks behave is harder
[12:17] <Hobbsee> ah, yay, kde4 again
[12:17] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: why in particular?
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: well effects just works, and they
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: are actually pretty fast.
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:18] <Hobbsee> now, if i kill kdesktop, does hte world end?
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: "just works" kinda ..
[12:18] <gribelu> xrandr is waaay faster than opengl for me on an nvidia 6xxx
[12:19] <Hobbsee> hrm.
[12:19] <gribelu> seems stable too
[12:19] <Hobbsee> how's the best way to refresh the kde background?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> apachelogger__: how dd you adjust the taskbar height?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> dd/did
[12:24] <Hobbsee> it's funny.  gnome had nicer font rendering than kde, iirc.  now kde's is far cleaner than gnome's
[12:24] <gribelu> _StefanS_: after i replaced the panel containment with the one from trunk there's even a UI to adjust the height and position (top, left etc)
[12:24] <_StefanS_> gribelu: from rightclick on the taskbar?
[12:24] <gribelu> yes.. right click on the top border, the transparent one
[12:25] <_StefanS_> gribelu: hmm well I thought we could do that now that 4.0.1 was available for hardy
[12:25] <_StefanS_> gribelu: guess its part of 4.0.2
[12:26] <gribelu> _StefanS_: no side-effects as far as i can tell.. but positioning the panel on left/right looks like crap because the applets don't know how to behave
[12:27] <gribelu> that's why i'm trying to hack the applets as well
[12:28] <_StefanS_> gribelu: do you know of any changes to desktop icons? because they behave really wierd. Cant be dragged into dolphin and such
[12:28]  * _StefanS_ needs to shop for more hardware..
[12:28] <gribelu> i didn't get to the desktop yet .. not sure
[12:29] <_StefanS_> oh i like that display in system settings
[12:30] <gribelu> _StefanS_: i actualy have a problem with desktop/panel icons since a few weeks ago. Icons don't respond to clicks so i can't launch anything
[12:31] <gribelu> AFAIK no on else has this problem .. might be some weird bug that got stuck in my ~/.kde4 somewhere
[12:31] <_StefanS_> gribelu: it seems like that bug where the actions (resize/remove/properties) are now moved with the icons when you align horizontally
[12:31] <_StefanS_> gribelu: they kept sticking around in the original places
[12:32] <gribelu> _StefanS_: no that's not it.. i can drag them etc.. i just can't launch the file/app/folder when i click/doubleclick
[12:32] <smarter> Riddell: I've fixed my bespin package: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin
[12:32] <smarter> Riddell: the diff looks funny because I updated to the latest revision in svn
[12:33] <_StefanS_> gribelu: I was just talking about another bug that sort of got to me :)
[12:33] <Riddell>  smarter for the debian/copyright fix?
[12:34] <smarter> Riddell: yes
[12:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: how's the best way to refresh the kde background? -> with kde3 : killall kdesktop && kdesktop
[12:34] <smarter> Riddell: I also fixed the location of the .themerc file
[12:34] <smarter> *I've
[12:34] <Riddell> smarter: poke someone into uploading and I can do the archive thing
[12:34] <smarter> Riddell: I'll try
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, kde4
[12:36]  * Hobbsee ended up removing all the plasmoids by hand.  ugh.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: well done - the qtcurve is looking nice!
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thanks :) we're still adjusting stuff, but I think most can accept it. Kwii is doing something to the buttons on the windows as well (adding a visible top like in previous versions)
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wow that bug on dolphin just got weirder :)
[12:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: If I log in without using sfs@ in front of the ftp hostname, and login using normal auth dialog I end up in /, if I then activate the url/path box, I end up in my home directory :)
[12:42] <_StefanS_> whee
[12:56] <buz> i dont think its just dolphin
[12:56] <buz> sftp doesnt work in the open/save dialog either
[12:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its a behavior thing inherited from kurlnavigator..
[12:57] <_StefanS_> buz:  ^
[12:57] <buz> yeah that exlpains it
[12:57] <_StefanS_> dont think i want to be messing with that.
[12:58] <buz> was that around in 4.0? cant remember
[12:58] <_StefanS_> donno
[12:58] <buz> konqueror in 4.0 was so broken i couldnt stand to use it for long
[13:00] <buz> and as for dolphin, well i dont think i'll ever care for it :P
[13:01]  * ryanakca yawns and looks at the Todo... snow day :D
[13:01] <_StefanS_> me too ;)
[13:01] <buz> to be fair, dolphin is not quite as bad as finder :P
[13:02] <_StefanS_> :)
[13:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got any more issues we should look at?
[13:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: If I can understand them :D
[13:36] <Tonio_> kdmtheme works ?
[13:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh my..
[13:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope not really :)
[13:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: should it still support the debianized  /etc/kdm.d/ ?
[13:40] <Tonio_> I'd say yep
[13:40] <Tonio_> as for gutsy
[13:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok then..
[13:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will just convert the patch I did initially.. I know I should've been done with it, but time just flies :)
[13:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bah it isn't too late ;)
[13:42] <Trigger7> gribelu: you can just take the patches from suse btw. they already backported the stuff
[13:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, try enabling qtcurve style, and load this config: http://enhance-it.dk/kubuntu-new.qtcurve and use crystal as your deco with shadow text enabled.
[13:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tell me what you think.
[13:45] <smarter> _StefanS_: I don't know if you're aware, but /etc/default/kdm.d has caused lots of problems: bug #132723
[13:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132723 in kubuntu-default-settings "[gutsy] kdm use the default theme instead of the kubuntu one" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132723
[13:46] <_StefanS_> smarter: I am..
[13:46] <_StefanS_> smarter: but thanks for mentioning it
[13:46] <gribelu> Trigger7: i don't know much about opensuse.. could you point me to a page that discusses that
[13:46] <gribelu> ?
[13:47] <Trigger7> gribelu: no page, just the src-rpm: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE4:/STABLE:/Desktop/openSUSE_10.3/src/kdebase4-workspace-4.0.1-22.2.src.rpm
[13:48] <Trigger7> gribelu: you can unpack it and find the patches inside. "rpm2cpio kdebase4-workspace-4.0.1-22.2.src.rpm | cpio -vid"
[13:48] <Trigger7> but just some of the patches are interesting for debian/ubuntu
[13:49] <gribelu> Trigger7: thanks, looking
[13:49] <_StefanS_> Trigger7: what patches ?
[13:51] <Trigger7> they backported the panel stuff and some more things. namely revisions 770004 769905 769216 769219 769231 769232 769236 769243 769261 769263 769276 769494 769229
[13:51] <Trigger7> and made a branch pull to r770902
[13:51] <_StefanS_> Trigger7: oh that sounds nice
[13:52] <_StefanS_> apachelogger__: did you hear that? ^
[13:52] <_StefanS_> or read it rather ;)
[13:52] <seele> what does the kubuntu logo next to the package name in adept mean?
[13:52] <Trigger7> didn't test it yet. no time so far. but i plan to integrate them into the debian packages sooner or later. at least if the rest of the debian team agrees
[13:52] <_StefanS_> seele: if its supported officially
[13:52] <Riddell> seele: that it's in main "supported"
[13:52] <_StefanS_> touché
[13:53] <seele> ok.. is it possible to add a tooltip to the icon?
[13:54] <_StefanS_> i think mornfall is maintaining it..
[13:54] <seele> ok
[13:54] <seele> maybe ill just submit a bug, gtg to a meeting
[13:55] <Jucato> manchicken was the one who added it
[13:55] <Jucato> dinner...
[13:56] <txwikinger> will there be at some point a way to convert .kde to .kde4?
[13:57] <Trigger7> you could try "cp .kde .kde4". in theory the config should get updated
[13:58] <gribelu> Trigger7: i'm gonna try their patches on kubuntu's package.. maybe it works
[13:59] <Trigger7> gribelu: but don't use all of them ;)
[13:59] <gribelu> no branding lol
[13:59] <Trigger7> you don't want a chameleon in the window boarders ;)
[14:00] <Trigger7> and the kickoff patches are also not desired.
[14:01] <gribelu> i've been patching for more than a day.. would suck to just work with these patches
[14:01] <smarter> I'm packaging the Qt4 Bespin style, it includes a config module for kde4, do I have to do something special so that it uses ~/.kde4?
[14:02] <txwikinger> Trigger7: No that will prevent kde4 from working
[14:02] <Trigger7> txwikinger: what?
[14:03] <txwikinger> copying .kde to .kde4
[14:03] <Trigger7> ok, that's bad. upstream always claimed this should work
[14:03] <txwikinger> There are people who want to keep their configurations of applications, i.e. contact lists etc.
[14:03] <txwikinger> I just want to know if eventually this is intended to work
[14:04] <Trigger7> smarter: no. normally no chanes are needed
[14:04] <smarter> Trigger7: chanes?
[14:04] <Trigger7> smarter: changes*
[14:05] <smarter> okay, thanks
[14:09] <mornfall> _StefanS_: I am not. Not the 2.x series.
[14:12] <jpatrick> stdin: I'm not core-dev
[14:12]  * ScottK2 does some housekeeping ...
[14:13] <stdin> jpatrick: I know, I meant for review but was too tired to explain that at the time :p
[14:14] <_StefanS_> mornfall: ok, it might be manchicken then :)
[14:16] <nosrednaekim> hey everyone
[14:19] <smarter> jpatrick: could you please re-ack my Bespin package? ;) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin it got rejected because of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-February/015365.html
[14:24] <jpatrick> smarter: of course
[14:24] <smarter> jpatrick: thanks
[14:28] <Jucato> I can't seem to create a pbuilder :(
[14:28] <jpatrick> smarter: as a Qt4 style does it have to recommend kde4?
[14:29] <smarter> jpatrick: it contains a configuration dialog for kde4
[14:29] <Jucato> netcat: Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35) but it is not installed
[14:29] <smarter> and a .kstylerc file
[14:29] <smarter> I mean .themerc
[14:29] <jpatrick> Jucato: sudo pbuilder create?
[14:29] <jpatrick> smarter: ok, looks good to me
[14:30]  * jpatrick wonders if he can just upload
[14:30] <Jucato> jpatrick: yesh
[14:30] <Jucato> sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse"
[14:31] <jpatrick> try: DIST=hardy sudo pbuilder create --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy universe multiverse"
[14:32] <Jucato> jpatrick: thanks. I'll have the result in an hour :)
[14:32] <jpatrick> Jucato: that the problem with pbuilder :)
[14:32] <Jucato> annoying...
[14:32] <vorian> hey guys :)
[14:32]  * Jucato somehow finds Debian packaging a bit.. tedious...
[14:32] <jpatrick> hey vorian
[14:32] <Jucato> well, not that I'm packaging... but in order to be able to test a package properly
[14:33] <vorian> the lemon upstream guys corrected the Copyright file on my package in revu.  it should be good now :)
[14:33] <jpatrick> Jucato: but it... rocks :O
[14:33] <Jucato> and then to submit a debdiff... oh well
[14:33] <Jucato> jpatrick: like what I told nixternal before... the price of quality is complexity :P
[14:33] <ryanakca> Jucato: hmm... if you're using LVM, I'd go for an sbuild/schroot over a pbuilder :)
[14:33] <Jucato> ryanakca: unfortunately, I'm not :)
[14:33] <ryanakca> lol, okies :)
[14:33] <Jucato> practically I don't really need pbuilder I think... I just need debuild to build a .deb... but... :)
[14:38] <ScottK> Jucato: You can, but it's not a great idea.
[14:38] <ScottK> If there's a bug in the package you can mess up your system, you often end up with a dirty source tree afterwards, and don't have a clear idea if your build depends are correct.
[14:38] <ScottK> If none of that worries you, then go ahead.
[14:38] <Trigger7> Jucato: you should at least test all your packages with pbuilder/cowbuilder/whateverbuilder
[14:39] <Jucato> ScottK: I know... that fact slapped me in the face last year... it seems to me that you can't escape some amount of packaging if you're developing :(
[14:39] <Jucato> Trigger7: <Jucato> I can't seem to create a pbuilder :( <Jucato> netcat: Depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35) but it is not installed
[14:39] <ScottK> Jucato: If you're having trouble creating a pbuilder, look at the pbuilder-dist script in ubuntu-dev-tools.
[14:39]  * Jucato sits back and waits...
[14:39] <jpatrick> Jucato: well, I have a hardy and sid pbuilder and a gutsy prevu :)
[14:40] <Jucato> you're a packaging pimp! should I be surprised? :D
[14:40] <Trigger7> Jucato: hehe yeah. that's the fun with the 'usntable' distributions
[14:40]  * Jucato is more of a coder type.. but discovered that hard way that he can't escape debian-fu
[14:41] <Jucato> oh well, time to sit back and watch pbuilder...
[14:55] <ryanakca> I'm guessing klatin was dropped for kde4?
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: I thought it had another name...
[14:56] <Riddell> I believe it's been dropped
[14:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: pity, okies, thanks :)
[14:56] <Jucato> pitti? :)
[14:56] <Jucato> http://edu.kde.org/languages/
[14:56] <Jucato> "KLatin  KLatin was dropped in KDE 4.0 as it had no maintainer anymore."
[14:57] <Riddell> ah, nosrednaekim, want to come to UDS?  and anything you think we should discuss?
[14:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: likewise ^^ ?
[14:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: can I /msg you?
[14:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'd love to... but I'm guessing its smack in the middle of a school week... where is it? *checks the wiki*
[14:57] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: where is UDS? i'm 17.... I don't think i'll be able to make it ;)
[14:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: you acn
[14:58] <jpatrick> ryanakca: Czech Republic
[14:58] <Riddell> ryanakca: sometime in May
[15:00] <ryanakca> jpatrick, Riddell: lol, waay out of my reach... if I couldn't convince my parents to let me to UDS Boston, I can hardly imagine convincing them to let me go to the Czech Republic.
[15:00] <ryanakca> (and boston is 3-4 hours drive away ;)
[15:02] <Jucato> jpatrick: now the error is "Failure to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/22450/. mount -t proc proc /proc" "pbuilder: debootstrap failed"
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: I feel your pain :)
[15:02] <jpatrick> well, I first they saw mhb's post and decided to have it in his house
[15:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: asked Jucato yet?
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: but I'll think if there is anything that needs to be discussed.
[15:03] <jpatrick> hehe
[15:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I obviously can't :)
[15:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why?
[15:03] <Jucato> thanks for the thought :)
[15:03] <Jucato> $$$
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: so?
[15:04] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: ... eh, only another... 6-7 years untill I've graduated high school, finished Uni and manage to scrape up enough money to fly myself overseas and stay in a hotel room for a week... :)
[15:04] <Jucato> I won't be able to get past any embassy...
[15:04] <Jucato> er.. I won't be able to get a Visa
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not even with a letter from canonical?
[15:04] <Jucato> they have this "show money" policy...
[15:04] <Hobbsee> oh
[15:04] <Hobbsee> you live in the wrong place.
[15:05] <Jucato> you have to show them $$$ to assure them that you have what it takes to support yourself and get back here...
[15:05]  * Jucato thinks we're notorious for illegal immigration that's why...
[15:06]  * Jucato is getting frustrated with pbuilder...
[15:06] <Jucato> try again tomorrow...
[15:06] <jpatrick> Jucato: well, that's a freakish error
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca: same, but more like 5 years here :)
[15:07] <Jucato> jpatrick: quite appropriate for a freakish person :)
[15:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: why did debootstrap fail?
[15:07] <Jucato> "Failure to run: chroot /var/cache/pbuilder/build/22450/. mount -t proc proc /proc" "pbuilder: debootstrap failed"
[15:07] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: btw, i was 18 when i went.  iirc.
[15:08] <jpatrick> Jucato: sudo apt-get install pbuilder debootstrap devscripts
[15:08] <Hobbsee> and female.
[15:08] <Jucato> and...
[15:08] <Hobbsee> i wasnt' the youngest there, either.
[15:08] <Jucato> well no fair you have a long pointy stick! :)
[15:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: any more detail than that?
[15:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: like, further up?
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: but heh, you probably weren't flying half-way around the world
[15:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: and the pointy stick doesn't always help
[15:09] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: sydney to spain - i can beat all of your plane flights into teh ground.
[15:09] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: it took 30 hours to get back from sevilla.
[15:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: nada
[15:09]  * nosrednaekim retires in defeat
[15:09] <Hobbsee> 4 flights
[15:09] <jpatrick> Jucato: eso da igual tio :p
[15:09] <Jucato> except a warning that libc6 couldn't be downloaded
[15:09] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: no excuse :)
[15:09] <Jucato> jpatrick: hahah! I only know very few spanish words :P
[15:09] <jpatrick> Jucato: how, that is bad
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: parents
[15:09] <nosrednaekim> and money
[15:09] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: run away
[15:10] <jpatrick> no, really, don't!
[15:10] <Jucato> jpatrick: pbuilder debooboo and devilscripts are up to date
[15:10] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: yeah.  i'd suggest slowly talking about it to them, before saying "i have a plane ticket"
[15:10] <jpatrick> Jucato: rofl
[15:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sudo pbuilder create --distribution hardy --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse" - try with main and restricted in there too
[15:11] <Jucato> Hobbsee: will do... if that works, I blame the wiki!
[15:12] <Hobbsee> it shouldn't make any difference, but...
[15:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i think you have an error further up somewhere
[15:12] <Jucato> if I do, I can't find it :(
[15:12] <Jucato> do I have to stare line by line?
[15:13] <Hobbsee> not really, but it should be after it fetches the packages or something
[15:13] <Jucato> coz for some reason, I feel my eyes are burning...
[15:13] <Hobbsee> why don't you pipe it to an output file, so you can grep it?
[15:13] <Hobbsee> as in, pipe stdout?
[15:13] <Jucato> right... can I cancel it now?
[15:13] <Hobbsee> sure
[15:14] <Jucato> or I can just save the scrollback and hope it saves the whole thing
[15:14] <Jucato> (yakuake/konsole4)
[15:14] <jpatrick> Jucato: "coz for some reason, I feel my eyes are burning..." <- must be the devilscripts
[15:14] <Riddell> mhb: did you get anywhere with the jockey qt frontend?
[15:15]  * Hobbsee likes devscripts.
[15:15] <Jucato> jpatrick: heheh :)
[15:15] <lontra> is kde-guidance-powermanager to be made to work with kde4?  right now suspend and hibernate buttons don't do anything
[15:15] <lontra> or will kubuntu go to kpowerave?
[15:15] <jpatrick> lontra: hasn't been ported (blocked by libpythonize)
[15:15] <Jucato> peebuilder, debooboostrap and devilscripts. yay!!
[15:16] <lontra> jpatrick: thanks ... this is a bit of a support question but how would i run suspend from konsole?
[15:17] <jpatrick> lontra: one sec, this was on the mailing list at one point
[15:17]  * ryanakca wonders if there's a simple non-GUI (aka, no Qt stuff yet) C++ task he could attempt, all without garanteeing anybody success :)
[15:17] <jpatrick> lontra: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002108.html
[15:18] <lontra> jpatrick: thanks
[15:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: power manager doesn't use libpythonize
[15:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: opss, yeah didn't sebas promise one or something?
[15:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: there's a plasma power manager applet
[15:19] <lontra> jpatrick: thanks that worked
[15:20] <jpatrick> got thrown off by the kde-*guidance*-* 2~
[15:20] <Riddell> I don't think it does brightness or suspend
[15:21] <lontra> looks like konqueror4 has a simplified profile ... could revert back to the original profile be added to the FAQ?
[15:22] <Riddell> lontra: we havn't changed anything from KDE
[15:22] <lontra> Riddell: really?
[15:22] <lontra> ok
[15:24] <Riddell> jpatrick: have you tested this LUKS patch?
[15:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: no, but he seems to know better (author)
[15:25] <Jucato> bug 129186 requires python, and my original assessment seems to be wrong (adept_batch does seem to return a value upon exit, but QtLanguageSelector doesn't seem to know when the user cancelled it)
[15:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186
[15:32] <stdin> ryanakca: hmm, wasn't the closing date for mockups a few days ago now?
[15:32] <Jucato> yo stdin! :)
[15:32] <stdin> hey ho Jucato :)
[15:33] <Jucato> stdin: someone was asking in here about the weather plasmoid earlier.
[15:33] <Jucato> I thought you, being the kde4 ppa go-to guy, probably know
[15:34] <stdin> I think that would in extregear, not sure
[15:35] <Jucato> he claims it isn't.. hadn't had time to check though :)
[15:35] <apachelogger_> mhhh
[15:35] <apachelogger_> suse
[15:35]  * apachelogger_ demands satisfaction
[15:35] <apachelogger_> letz pull a trunk snapshot in!
[15:35] <stdin> apachelogger_: go fix kdm-kde4 then
[15:35] <apachelogger_> stdin: is fixed already
[15:35] <apachelogger_> just needs a testbuild
[15:36] <apachelogger_> would have been uploaded years ago, but I had to do sports
[15:36] <apachelogger_> oohhh, this school
[15:36]  * apachelogger_ shakes his head
[15:36] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: I'm in the same boat mate
[15:37] <stdin> great, websvn is down too
[15:37] <Hobbsee> hm, now why did all the kde games icons break again?
[15:37]  * apachelogger_ points at Riddell
[15:38] <stdin> Jucato: I don't remember seeing it in kdebase* and I don't see it in extragear, so it's either been removed from our package (or never was in it) or it's not in extragear/plasma
[15:38] <stdin> but I can't check as websvn.kde.org isn't working here
[15:38] <Jucato> stdin: maybe it was in playground-plasma? (pre 4.0)
[15:39] <Jucato> no worries. I just thought I'd bring it to your attention :)
[15:40]  * apachelogger_ stops pointing at Riddell and starts pointing at Hobbsee
[15:40] <apachelogger_> Hobbsee: they are not broken for me
[15:40] <Hobbsee> hm, strange
[15:41] <stdin> Jucato: it was in plasma-playground yes
[15:42] <apachelogger_> mhhh
[15:42] <apachelogger_> listening to paris hilton
[15:42] <apachelogger_> lastfm client ain't that nice to me :S
[15:43] <stdin> kill it
[15:43] <apachelogger_> Hobbsee: could you provide a screenie
[15:43] <stdin> and by "it" I meant paris hilton
[15:43] <apachelogger_> "Are you sure that you want to ban the title Stars are blind?"
[15:44] <Hobbsee> apachelogger_: it's on gnome, if that helps
[15:44] <Hobbsee> the gnome ones work, but not the kde
[15:44]  * apachelogger_ declares lastfm client an even more stupid software than amarok
[15:44] <vorian> apachelogger_: the lemon upstream updated their package to include all 3 full licences in their COPYING file.  I made the proper changes. :)
[15:44] <apachelogger_> vorian: bug me again when I uploaded ubuntu2 of workspace :P
[15:45] <vorian> eh?
[15:45] <vorian> alrighty :)
[15:45] <apachelogger_> Hobbsee: screenie plz
[15:45]  * apachelogger_ puts the sherlock costume on
[15:45] <Jucato> hm.. how come adept doesn't have an orig.tar.gz...
[15:46] <Hobbsee> apachelogger_: i don't see how it will help you
[15:46] <Riddell> Jucato: because it's a native package (we make it ourselves)
[15:46] <Hobbsee> and i'm lazy
[15:46] <apachelogger_> well
[15:46] <apachelogger_> it helps me imagine
[15:46] <apachelogger_> anyway
[15:46] <Jucato> Riddell: ah...
[15:46] <apachelogger_> I'm not 100% certain it works with KDE 3 as well
[15:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee, apachelogger_: kde 3 is patched to see the kde 4 icons, gnome would need to be patched too, or else find a reliable way to set an absolute path
[15:47] <smarter> jpatrick: Did you forget to ack my package? ;)
[15:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh, that'll do it
[15:47] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ok, that explains it
[15:47] <jpatrick> smarter: arg, not again :)
[15:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: pbuilder looking good! so I blame the wiki :)
[15:47]  * apachelogger_ demands patching in this case
[15:47] <Hobbsee> :)
[15:48] <ryanakca> stdin: yes, it was
[15:48] <jpatrick> smarter: done! :D
[15:48] <smarter> jpatrick: thank you :)
[15:48] <stdin> ryanakca: was just wondering because the link is still in the topic(s)
[15:49] <Jucato> Hobbsee: yep! pbuilder done.. now it's just installing build-essentials :)
[15:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[15:49] <ryanakca> stdin: except we got one mockup from someone who took ubuntu.com and made it blue, and then we got nixternal's mockup, but he wants us to get a "real" mockup from a "real" artist
[15:49] <ryanakca> ... and thats it :(
[15:50] <Jucato> StefanS' artistic juices seem to be flowing :)
[15:50] <jpatrick> ryanakca: dude, last mockup looks cool!
[15:50] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups
[15:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: what's wrong with the various designs we already have?
[15:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: nothing
[15:50] <ryanakca> jpatrick: ooh, never saw that one :)
[15:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: I never thought of taking the links in the topics down, and I was just quoting nixternal :)
[15:51] <apachelogger_> uh, yeah that one looks nice
[15:51] <ryanakca> what does everybody else think of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup-dmiller.png ?
[15:52] <jpatrick> ryanakca: +20
[15:52] <smarter> ryanakca: pretty
[15:52] <stdin> it looks rather nice :)
[15:52] <ryanakca> mhb: ?
[15:52] <jjesse_> i like that mock up
[15:52] <ryanakca> if both mhb and Riddell agree, I guess we can announce it :)
[15:53] <Riddell> I wouldn't announce it until it's a real website
[15:53] <ryanakca> ok...
[15:53] <apachelogger_> +1
[15:53] <Hobbsee> wow, there's some really nice stuff there!
[15:53] <ryanakca> +1 to that, but at least tell the guy we considered and picked his mockup, but not to announce it to the world?
[15:53] <smarter> The kubuntu logo could could be more like the current one at http://kubuntu.org
[15:53] <jpatrick> ryanakca: back to coding!
[15:53] <Jucato> and is that the oxygen download icon or not?
[15:53] <ryanakca> jpatrick: I guess that puts off my C++ learning :)
[15:54]  * Jucato can't recall
[15:54] <ryanakca> smarter: sure
[15:54] <smarter> And the ubuntu font is cool but should'nt be too used imho ;)
[15:56]  * ryanakca wonders if he should start from scratch or base himself on what we already have...
[15:57] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: can you plz revu kepas?
[15:57] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: sure thing
[15:58] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: upload bespin
[16:00] <apachelogger_> smarter: why did besping to rejected the first time?
[16:00] <apachelogger_> -g
[16:01] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: made a small mistake in copyright
[16:01] <smarter> apachelogger_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2008-February/015365.html
[16:01] <jpatrick> ...or that.
[16:01] <apachelogger_> k
[16:02] <Riddell> fdoving: anything you think we should discuss at UDS, and do you want to come?
[16:02] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: have you test built/used?
[16:02] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: lemonpos?
[16:02] <apachelogger_> eh
[16:03] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: kepas?
[16:03] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: ja
[16:03] <apachelogger_> can't remember, honestly
[16:03] <apachelogger_> probably did
[16:03]  * jpatrick pbuilds
[16:03] <apachelogger_> I'll have a look at it later on anyway
[16:04] <jpatrick> smarter: kepas looks good, just test build and +1
[16:04] <smarter> jpatrick: cool
[16:04] <jpatrick> d-miller: excellent mock up
[16:08] <apachelogger_> smarter: description-starts-with-package-name for kepas
[16:09] <jussi01> quick question, when I attatch a patch to  a bug, I then subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors, correct?
[16:09] <apachelogger_> jussi01: yes, considering the package is in universe ;-)
[16:10] <smarter> apachelogger_: I'll fix that, didn't know it was a problem
[16:10] <d-miller> jpatrick: thank you =)
[16:10] <apachelogger_> smarter: lintian declares it an error, so I guess it is supposed to be seen as a problem
[16:10] <apachelogger_> I personally don't though ;-)
[16:11] <jussi01> apachelogger_: thank you.
[16:11] <manchicken> I thought we had a tooltip on the supported icon in adept.
[16:11] <manchicken> Jucato must have broken it :P
[16:11] <smarter> are the "binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath" thing a problem?
[16:11] <Jucato> nooooo
[16:11] <apachelogger_> smarter: no
[16:11] <apachelogger_> actually we want it that way
[16:11] <apachelogger_> plus rpath is good according to KDE devs ;-)
[16:11] <smarter> that's what I thought :)
[16:11]  * Jucato closes all kwrite windows to remove any evidence
[16:11] <manchicken> Jucato: Too late, you've been caught up.
[16:12] <apachelogger_> omg
[16:12] <apachelogger_> Jucato again
[16:12]  * apachelogger_ demands satisfaction!
[16:12] <manchicken> So I should take a photo of Badger in his Kubuntu body suit :)
[16:12] <Jucato> hahah :)
[16:12] <manchicken> Dacia says she'll take care of that.
[16:12] <manchicken> Although I'll need to get him a Xubuntu suit, too.
[16:13] <apachelogger_> smarter: bespin is actually having the same issue
[16:13] <apachelogger_> just that lintian doesn't catch it since the package is named different ;-)
[16:14] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: you think the description-starts-with-package-name should be fixed for bespin?
[16:14] <smarter> apachelogger_: I only run lintian on the .dsc normally
[16:14] <smarter> I fix it too there
[16:14] <apachelogger_> fair enough
[16:17]  * apachelogger_ throws a Dalek after vorian
[16:17] <vorian> nooooooo
[16:17] <apachelogger_> vorian: update debian/rules according to latest concepts in kdebase-workspace
[16:17] <vorian> doh!
[16:17] <apachelogger_> also debian/cdbs
[16:18] <smarter> apachelogger_: Bespin and Kepas should now be uploaded
[16:18] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: plz +1 on bespin
[16:18] <apachelogger_> and kepas in case you already did that ;-)
[16:19] <smarter> I'm also packaging qdevelop now(the previous packager gave up)
[16:20] <apachelogger_> I actually can understand he gave up
[16:20] <apachelogger_> that package is one whole filled with work
[16:20] <apachelogger_> vorian: debian/watch seems to be broken
[16:20] <vorian> oh?
[16:21] <apachelogger_> uscan deoesn't work
[16:21] <vorian> i'll check and fix
[16:21] <apachelogger_> k
[16:21] <vorian> what part of the wrapper needs updated
[16:22] <apachelogger_> vorian: just sync it with workspace
[16:22] <apachelogger_> the whole wrapper is reduced to 3 lines or something
[16:22] <vorian> ah!
[16:22] <vorian> ok
[16:22] <apachelogger_> but debian/cdbs needs to be synced with workspace
[16:22] <vorian> i did that
[16:22] <apachelogger_> ok
[16:22] <vorian> k, that makes more sense
[16:22] <apachelogger_> just update rules then
[16:22] <vorian> :)
[16:23] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: kepas builds and is useable
[16:25] <apachelogger_> meh
[16:25] <apachelogger_> jpatrick got lost :S
[16:27] <ryanakca> nooo... tmsnc has been discontinued :(
[16:32] <vorian> apachelogger_: changes uploaded :)
[16:35] <vorian> dang it
[16:35] <vorian> forgot the watch
[16:41] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:41] <nixternal> what a mess this place is
[16:41] <vorian> what up nixternal
[16:41] <nixternal> we have snow, ice, and wrecks everywhere
[16:42] <nixternal> I had to take my mom to the doctors this morning and the roads suck big time
[16:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol, buses were cancelled here, snowday :D
[16:43] <ryanakca> nixternal: what do you think of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mockup-dmiller.png ?
[16:44] <nixternal> I like some of the ideas there, but I hate that ubuntu font everywhere
[16:45] <nixternal> it is to cartoonish
[16:52] <vorian> apachelogger_: ok, it's really finished this time :P
[16:53] <buz> yeah the ubuntu font is over used
[16:53] <buz> i like it for logos, but its bad to read
[16:53] <nixternal> ya it is
[16:53] <buz> i'd use dejavu sans/helvetica/arial instead
[16:54] <vorian> how about comic sans
[16:54] <buz> hehe sure
[16:54] <vorian> that's the awemestsesz
[16:54] <buz> in all CAPS while were at it
[16:54] <buz> with lots of !!.!
[16:54] <vorian> yes!
[16:54] <vorian> better yet
[16:54] <vorian> a 4 or 5 year old could freehand it
[16:55] <buz> na, osnews already does THAT
[16:55] <vorian> lol
[16:55] <smarter> "QSqlDatabase: QSQLITE driver not loaded
[16:55] <smarter> QSqlDatabase: available drivers:"
[16:55] <smarter> ? :/
[16:55] <buz> honestly, their comics look just like that
[16:55] <nixternal> smarter: did you see that bespin or whatever it is called was rejected?
[16:56] <smarter> nixternal: yes, I've fixed the problem and it's currently waiting for ack: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin
[16:56] <apachelogger_> nixternal: just ack it, I'm ready for upload :P
[16:57]  * apachelogger_ demands statisfaction from whoever br0ke the KDM user icons
[16:58] <nixternal> apachelogger_: hey, why the change to the rules file and the kde.mk for lemonpos?
[16:58] <nixternal> Riddell and I proved yesterday that the wrapper will not work unless the Exec= is to an absolute path
[16:59] <nixternal> and why have the script in cdbs/kde.mk as well as the rules?
[16:59] <apachelogger_> nixternal: what script?
[16:59] <apachelogger_> also
[17:00] <apachelogger_> +kde4-wrapper-creation:
[17:00] <apachelogger_> +	for file in `ls $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/applications/kde4/`; do \
[17:00] <apachelogger_> +		sed -i 's,Exec=,Exec=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/,' $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/applications/kde4/$${file}; \
[17:00] <apachelogger_>  	done
[17:00] <nixternal> that one
[17:00] <apachelogger_> nixternal: is it in cdbs?
[17:00] <nixternal> it is in kde.mk and rules for lemonpos
[17:00] <nixternal> it is in the kde.mk file
[17:00] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!!!
[17:00] <nixternal> Jucato!!!!!
[17:00] <Jucato> :)
[17:00] <nixternal> (:
[17:00] <apachelogger_> nice
[17:00] <apachelogger_> nixternal: I guess it is that way in -workspace as well
[17:00] <Jucato> um.. anyone I need a clue about this.. what does "@@ -###,# +###,# @@ in diffs mean?
[17:01] <nixternal> Jucato: RTFM
[17:01] <nixternal> :p
[17:01] <Jucato> ear.. ok...
[17:01] <nixternal> plus, I couldn't tell you by heart
[17:01] <Jucato> which manual?
[17:01] <nixternal> even though our Linux courses at the uni teach it over and over :)
[17:01] <Jucato> ok..  :)
[17:01] <stdin> it's to do with the position (line numbers) before and after the patch, that's all I can tell you
[17:02] <nixternal> oh, I have no clue...if you check out diff via google you will find a couple that explain them well
[17:02] <Jucato> stdin: thanks
[17:02] <nixternal> stdin: ya, it has to deal with all of that, but there is more meaning to it
[17:02] <nixternal> oh
[17:02] <Jucato> hehe ok nvm.. it might be a different problem
[17:02] <nixternal> -### is obviouly removing that area
[17:02] <nixternal> +### is obviously adding that area
[17:02] <nixternal> @@ show the location(s) effected
[17:02]  * nixternal had to look at a diff
[17:04] <nixternal> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[17:04] <nixternal> with a single binary package, you don't need the ${misc:Depends} correct?
[17:04] <vorian> right
[17:05] <vorian> my bad
[17:05] <blueyed> Tonio_: re your kdebase upload. Is the LP bug reference in the changelog to bug 189144 correct? Apart from that, it has been just fixed in bash, so please revert your patch.
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189144 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine is not working in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189144
[17:06] <blueyed> dash bug 177032
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177032 in dash "Regression with filename glob expanding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177032
[17:06]  * blueyed hasn't looked at your patch though, so it may be something different even.. then, sorry for disturbing.. :)
[17:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: well, the ditch the Ubuntu font has already been discussed...
[17:07] <ryanakca> (reading the backlog about the mockup)
[17:07] <nixternal> I think it would be better if we could gear a little to professionalism with a touch of fun
[17:08] <nixternal> but then again, the choice of the mockup to get used isn't mine, it would be mastah Riddell who decides :)
[17:08] <Tonio_> blueyed: okay thanks for the info
[17:08] <blueyed> Tonio_: it has been reported for kdebase in bug 179060
[17:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179060 in kdebase "KDE env broken in startkde because of dash? (dup-of: 177032)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179060
[17:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177032 in dash "Regression with filename glob expanding" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177032
[17:08] <apachelogger_> mhhhh
[17:08] <Tonio_> blueyed: I'll wait for next dash to test and will remove the patch if confirmed fixed
[17:08] <apachelogger_> that user icon sux
[17:09]  * apachelogger_ kicks kdm
[17:09] <apachelogger_> gimme oxygen
[17:09] <nixternal> haha
[17:09] <blueyed> Tonio_: thanks
[17:09] <nixternal> apachelogger_: the new KDE 3 kdm artwork, with my black & white chicago background, really makes that login area stand out quite nicely
[17:10] <apachelogger_> hmmmm
[17:10] <smarter> can someone knows why there's no database driver at all in QSqlDatabase? :/
[17:10] <apachelogger_> nixternal: got a tar at hand?
[17:10] <smarter> "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" << nothing
[17:10] <nixternal> apachelogger_: so what do you say about the lemonpos rules file? remove that wrapper script stuff...
[17:10] <apachelogger_> nixternal: I dunno, we have to check with Riddell
[17:10] <nixternal> tar at hand of what?
[17:10] <apachelogger_> maybe it didn't work in rules or something
[17:10] <ryanakca> nixternal: *just wants someone to make a final decision so that he can implement it*... after today, I'm gone skiing 'till Monday... so whatever I don't do today will either get done by someone else while I'm gone, or finished by me next week
[17:10] <apachelogger_> s/rules/cdbs
[17:10] <smarter> It worked before: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/179261
[17:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New]
[17:10] <nixternal> well, I know that the script didn't work with single binary files...didn't work on any of the extragear stuff
[17:10] <smarter> "QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2"
[17:10] <toma> smarter: some distro's have them in separate packages
[17:11] <nixternal> so I stayed with the old wrapper in the rules file for the time being
[17:11] <vorian> I can always update it when it's more appropriate
[17:11] <smarter> toma: Do I need something other than libqt4-sql ?
[17:11] <Riddell> apachelogger_: check what with Riddell?
[17:12] <toma> smarter: no
[17:13] <ryanakca> Riddell: probably "12:10:17 < nixternal> apachelogger_: so what do you say about the lemonpos rules file? remove that wrapper script stuff..."
[17:13] <smarter> toma: so this is a bug
[17:14] <nixternal> I am testing the lemonpos w/o the wrapper in rules and using the one in kde.mk
[17:14] <Riddell> nixternal, apachelogger_: it shouldn't need the wrapper scripts, but it may need a rule to set the absolute path for Exec=
[17:15] <apachelogger_> Riddell: well, it is right now in debian/rules and debian/cdbs/kde.mk
[17:16] <nixternal> that is because Riddell updated the kde.mk last week to be used
[17:17] <blizzzek> hi
[17:18] <vorian> hello blizzzek
[17:19] <apachelogger_> vorian: pleae remove the wrapper from rules if you didn't already
[17:19] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=elephant-bleu-2560x1600.jpg  <-- how about trying that out as a wallpaper? seems people really like it too (KDE 3 that is)
[17:20] <apachelogger_> nixternal: where to find that "new KDE 3 kdm artwork"?
[17:20] <vorian> apachelogger_: so revert the package?
[17:20] <nixternal> apachelogger_: should be kubuntu-default-settings
[17:20] <apachelogger_> vorian: nah, completely remove it, rules should only include debian/cdbs/kde.mk now
[17:20] <nixternal> vorian: also update control file for kdelibs5-dev to >= 4:4.0.1
[17:21] <vorian> kk
[17:22] <Riddell> nixternal: nice, maybe a bit dark, I know kwwii looked at it for ubuntu and i think there were worries about cultural issues with it
[17:22] <nixternal> hrmm
[17:22] <nixternal> it seems that everyone seems to link me to it for a good wallpaper :)
[17:23] <seele> Jucato: you would have difficulty getting a visa even if you had a return ticket?
[17:23] <nixternal> also, another thing that was suggested was offering some other nice wallpapers...like the elephant one, and some others
[17:23] <Jucato> seele: yep... that's how it works here... show money is important :/
[17:23] <vorian> I think the lion main in blue would be killer
[17:23] <Jucato> (of course, connections with "important" people can help too :P)
[17:23] <Riddell> nixternal: well KDE does that already, no need to take up more disk space
[17:24] <nixternal> my feelings exactly
[17:24] <apachelogger_> nixternal: I don't see any changed artwork, beside the wallpaper
[17:24] <seele> Jucato: as in cash or a bank statement?
[17:24] <nixternal> apachelogger_: looked like it changed to me...maybe it hasn't
[17:24] <Riddell> seele: mhb had a similar thing getting into the US last year.  he's a student so there's not much keeping him tied to home
[17:24] <apachelogger_> *shrug*
[17:25]  * apachelogger_ goes KDE 4 default for now
[17:25]  * smarter uses this wallpaper: http://www.enhance-it.dk/Aquapattern_by_DJMattRicks2.png
[17:25] <Jucato> seele: now they seem to prefer cash... because they figured you could get around bank statements (borrow from someone to put into the bank, then return the money)
[17:25] <apachelogger_> kdm just ain't very good lookin without wallpaper
[17:25] <Riddell> smarter: also nice, just a bit too light
[17:25] <nixternal> OK, it seems that script just in kde.mk does what it is supposed to, and tosses the .desktop files into /usr/share/applications/kde4
[17:26] <seele> Riddell: yeah, i think it was his age and employment status that did him in.. i know a few companies who have young indian workers who can't visit home for a few years because theyre too young (college age + a few years) to get back in to the country, even with a visa
[17:26] <smarter> Riddell: light wallpapers go well with transparent konsole/yakuake :)
[17:26] <nixternal> so do dark wallpapers :)
[17:27] <nixternal> Jucato: what are you trying to do now? what country are you planning on destroying...err I mean visiting? :p
[17:27] <Jucato> nixternal: nothing. Hobbsee just tried to recommend me for UDS :P
[17:27] <nixternal> Kubuntu already has mhb as our resident terrorist, we don't need any more :p
[17:28] <Jucato> right now I'm trying to destroy adept :)
[17:28] <nixternal> are you going to go? or is it a pita for you to get a visa and what not
[17:28] <Jucato> the latter
[17:28] <nixternal> that stinks
[17:29] <nixternal> you should talk to Jerome, he has to know ways around stuff considering all of the traveling he does
[17:29] <Jucato> he has $$$ to start with :)
[17:29] <nixternal> he might have one of them connections you need :)
[17:30] <nixternal> next time you see him, give him a hug and lift his wallet, then you can have some $$$ :p
[17:30] <nixternal> someone lifts my wallet, they will be pissed...probably come back and kick my arse for being broke :)
[17:31] <nixternal> vorian: as soon as you upload the fixes to revu let me know and I will ack
[17:31] <vorian> nixternal: it just showed up on revu
[17:31] <vorian> interestingly enough
[17:31] <nixternal> groovy
[17:31] <vorian> :)
[17:33] <nixternal> kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:3.97.0) -- I would like to see this bumped to 4:4.0.1, but it is something either myself or apachelogger_ can fix upon upload really
[17:33] <nixternal> I will go ahead and ack it
[17:33] <vorian> hold on
[17:34] <nixternal> right as I ack it ;p
[17:34] <apachelogger_> nixternal: well, if it compiles with 3.97 it isn't much of a problem IMO :P
[17:34] <nixternal> ya, that is why it isn't a big deal
[17:34] <nixternal> apachelogger_: if you want, go ahead and ack it and upload it :)
[17:34]  * apachelogger_ kicks the kdm patches again
[17:34] <nixternal> I have test built it on i386
[17:35] <apachelogger_> ok
[17:35] <vorian> I updated the control in the wrong file
[17:35]  * apachelogger_ prepares for upload
[17:35] <vorian> sorry
[17:35] <nixternal> vorian: hahah
[17:35] <vorian> :)
[17:35]  * apachelogger_ stops preparing
[17:35] <nixternal> no biggy
[17:35] <vorian> ok then
[17:35] <Jucato> is there a way to apply all patches in debian/patches automatically?
[17:35] <nixternal> apachelogger_: he is just talking aobut the 3.97 to 4.0.1..it is still fine to ack and up
[17:35] <vorian> thanks for your help nixternal and apachelogger_ :)
[17:35] <apachelogger_> nixternal: ok
[17:35]  * apachelogger_ grabs the sources
[17:35] <Riddell> Jucato: yes but depends on the patch system being used
[17:35] <nixternal> no problemo...before you know it vorian you will be a MOTU
[17:36] <vorian> w00t!
[17:36] <Jucato> what does Adept us? cdbs?
[17:36] <apachelogger_> Riddell: wouldn't `make -f debian/rules apply-patches` always work?
[17:36] <vorian> now /me turns to bug fixing :)
[17:36] <Jucato> ah yes it does...
[17:36] <Riddell> Jucato: as apachelogger_ says
[17:36]  * Jucato tries
[17:36] <nixternal> only thing I can recommend really to you vorian, is working on the copyright file skills...it seems everything else you are getting a pretty good grasp of
[17:36] <apachelogger_> +1
[17:36] <nixternal> copyright files can be a biznatch
[17:37] <mornfall> Jucato: You are breaking it even more? :P
[17:37] <Jucato> apachelogger_: thanks.. I have always used buildprep :)
[17:37] <vorian> nixternal: i learned much from this experience with lemon and copyright :)
[17:37] <Jucato> mornfall: hahah yes :)
[17:37] <apachelogger_> nixternal: do I have to fwd the new new mail to motu?
[17:37] <Jucato> mornfall: I'm trying to add update() to Installer
[17:37] <nixternal> vorian: if you don't have the package installed yet, I recommend you grab the ubuntu devtools, there is a app called licensecheck that helps when doing copyright
[17:37] <nixternal> apachelogger_: yes please
[17:38] <Jucato> mornfall: to close https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/149652
[17:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149652 in adept "manage repositories in adept_installer doen't work (dup-of: 155068)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155068 in adept "adept installer does not reload package lists after sources modification" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:38] <nixternal> vorian: sudo apt-get install devscripts
[17:38] <vorian> I have it :)
[17:38] <vorian> I just don't know how to use all the tools
[17:38] <nixternal> then you can go into a directory and do 'licensecheck --copyright *' and it will read the headers out of all of the source files and spit out what you are looking for
[17:39]  * vorian tests
[17:39] <apachelogger_> ...combined with a nifty grep you won't miss any copyrights anymore :)
[17:39] <nixternal> you can even get funky with it and toss some regex at it if you want...but I just stay easy...it helps me showing which files have what licenses
[17:40] <nixternal> one thing I have learned though when writing code, is properly licensing each file
[17:40] <vorian> awesome!
[17:40] <nixternal> and using just one license
[17:40] <vorian> that is really cool
[17:40] <apachelogger_> hm
[17:40] <vorian> I should have asked how you greped all those
[17:40] <apachelogger_> vorian: did you touch kde.mk?
[17:40] <apachelogger_> it's missing a new line
[17:40] <nixternal> ya, I usually do 'licensecheck --copyright * |grep LGPL' if there are files licensed with it...make it easy to list them in the copyright file
[17:41] <vorian> apachelogger_: um
[17:41] <vorian> let me see if it was the wrong file
[17:41] <vorian> I had lemon and lemon1
[17:41] <apachelogger_> hehe
[17:41] <apachelogger_> looks right to me
[17:41] <vorian> so it's good then?
[17:41] <apachelogger_> yeah
[17:41] <apachelogger_> the original is also missing a newline
[17:42] <Jucato> oh mornfall, btw. is it impossible to open adept/*.ui files in Qt designer?
[17:42] <mornfall> No idea.
[17:42] <apachelogger_> Riddell: btw, what is stopping us from getting the cdbs files into cdbs?
[17:42]  * vorian wipes sweat from his forehead
[17:42] <mornfall> Ah.
[17:42] <mornfall> You have to hack them a little. And then hack them back.
[17:42] <nixternal> ooh, I found a mistake in rsibreak package...I didn't include the new kde.mk in it :/
[17:42] <Jucato> mornfall: ah ok :)
[17:42] <Jucato> :/
[17:42] <mornfall> The bases need to be switched to QWidget to edit them and move them back to whatever they were.
[17:43] <MaximLevitsky> Yestarday, I told about annying bug in kdm , that is still not fixed. I created a debdiff for the fix, and guess what, today new package of kdm is released without this fix. I told that this will happen
[17:43] <MaximLevitsky> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242
[17:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:43] <nixternal> apachelogger_: bugs are the reason we are using the custom cdbs...we could include our kde.mk as kde4.mk to get it included..however, it is going to change again come hardy+1 more than likely
[17:43] <nixternal> this way here it is easier on us for the time being I believe
[17:44] <MaximLevitsky> What is going on....
[17:44] <apachelogger_> nixternal: well, maybe add it to the files of kdelibs-dev, every app depends on this package anyway
[17:45] <apachelogger_> changing every package for a cdbs fix gives me the creeps
[17:45] <Riddell> apachelogger_: nothing except that every time I touch cdbs it breaks
[17:46] <apachelogger_> hehe :D
[17:46] <apachelogger_> Riddell: maybe I'll prepare a debdiff if I have time for it
[17:46] <MaximLevitsky>   Riddell, hi, take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 :-)
[17:46] <mhb> Riddell: yes, I've got some of it (the main window) finished.
[17:47]  * apachelogger_ is wondering why kdm br0ke again
[17:47] <mhb> Riddell: trouble is, I've got my last exam tomorrow
[17:47] <mhb> please ask me on Friday :o)
[17:48] <Riddell> mhb: ooh, go and study!
[17:49] <Riddell> MaximLevitsky: nice
[17:49] <Riddell> MaximLevitsky: has the author of the consolekit patch looked at this do you know?
[17:50] <MaximLevitsky> I don't know
[17:51] <Riddell> MaximLevitsky: ok, I'll upload the patch if you e-mail this to kevin kofler
[17:52] <MaximLevitsky> I have to go now, will be back in 1~2 hours.
[18:09] <Riddell> vorian: fancy updating the marble qt package?
[18:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, so the last mockup on the page is good with you?
[18:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: sure is
[18:12] <ryanakca> okies :)
[18:15] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the last mockup you showed earlier today?
[18:15] <ryanakca> nixternal: yes, without the cartoonish Ubuntu fonts, and someone suggested using the kurrent kubuntu.org logo instead of the one in the mockup
[18:16] <nixternal> yes please do :)
[18:16] <nixternal> no more using the old school logo :)
[18:16] <vorian> Riddell: sure thing
[18:16] <apachelogger_> mhhh, new workspace coming, featuring: multirow taskbar, taskbar only shows tasks from current desktop and a yet even better kdm appearance
[18:17]  * Jucato tries debuild binary... and goes to slip
[18:17] <Jucato> er.. sleep
[18:17] <Jucato> apachelogger_: thanks for the hint about apply-patches :)
[18:17] <apachelogger_> Jucato: you're very welcome :)
[18:18] <spiroo> riddell: Do you know if there is gonna be a LiveCD for KDE4.0.1 in Kubuntu before 8.04 Hardy?
[18:19] <Riddell> spiroo: yes, there is
[18:19] <Riddell> spiroo: well, we'll have hardy CDs
[18:19] <Riddell> I don't plan to make any more gutsy ones
[18:19] <vorian> Riddell: what's the source name? :)
[18:20] <spiroo> Riddell: Allright then, do you think I can run Hardy version now? Or is it to unstable?
[18:22] <spiroo> Riddell: The actual problem is that I cannot use my GlobeTrotter (Internet) in Kubuntu and does have to download KDE4.0.1 in Windows. Maybe there is some package with only Kde4.0.1. I mean I do not need the whole Kubuntu neccessry
[18:26] <Riddell> spiroo: see kubuntu.org for 4.0.1 packages
[18:26] <Riddell> vorian: http://developer.kde.org/~tackat/marble/marble-0.5.1.tar.bz2
[18:26] <vorian> thanks Riddell :)
[18:27] <Riddell> vorian: we have two versions of marble in the archive, this is the qt only one, I don't know if the packaging needs updating and it will need a Conflicts with marble-kde4
[18:27] <vorian> hmm
[18:27] <vorian> marble-kde4 is in kdeedu-kde4 meta
[18:28] <vorian> so a new package then i take it?
[18:28] <spiroo> Riddell: I already have, but I cannot use Adept or anything inside Kubuntu, because I cannot get Internet work inside Kubuntu.
[18:29] <vorian> marbleqt-kde4 sound good?
[18:34] <Trigger7> apachelogger_: are you grabbing the suse patches?
[18:34] <Riddell> vorian: we already have the package
[18:35] <Riddell> vorian: "marble" source package is already there
[18:35] <vorian> ah, i see
[18:40] <gribelu> Trigger7: the suse patches don't let the panel sit on left or right :/ .... just resize and multi-row + the clock still doesn't behave as in it looks weird (too low) when the panel height is small
[18:41] <spiroo> Wonder, KDE and Kubuntu, they are coded in C++ mostly, right? Wondering, is it hard to code, I am learning myself the language and is quite curious about the code inside "Linux" (Word for all dists and so on :P)
[18:41] <gribelu> and the kickoff icon doesn't fit if panel is under 32
[18:41] <ScottK> spiroo: Mostly.  Guidance is Python.
[18:42] <Trigger7> gribelu: shouldn't panel-location.diff make it possible to move the panel to the left or to the right?
[18:42] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: /whois me next time ;)
[18:42] <spiroo> ScottK: What you mean?
[18:42] <ScottK> KDE is mostly C++, but Guidance (which is a KDE application) is written in Python.
[18:43] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: both packages (bespin and kepas): +1
[18:43] <spiroo> ScottK: allright, is the code itself complex to write. I mean is it easy to understand the structure and basic libraries?
[18:43] <gribelu> Trigger7: the panel moves... but the widgets look VEEERY weird.. not usable. The SuSe patches don't even enable the menu that allows left/right positioning, for good reason
[18:44]  * ScottK is not a C++ coder, so I can't answer.
[18:44] <Trigger7> gribelu: but i guess in trunk the situation isn't better
[18:44] <gribelu> Trigger7: i didn't compile the full trunk so i wouldn't know :/
[18:45] <gribelu> i just dropped my ashtray.. crap.. :|
[18:45] <Trigger7> i've read somewhere, that moving the panel to the left/right doesn't really work
[18:46] <Riddell> spiroo: code always gets complex quickly, but the top reason I like KDE is that is has the best codebase
[18:47] <Riddell> spiroo: best thing to do is to find a bug which annoys you and fix it
[18:48] <Riddell> spiroo: try umbrello for example, it's full of bugs and crashes :)
[18:48] <spiroo> Riddell: ok :) Do you know somewhere I could start look, that you could recommend?
[18:48] <Riddell> do others get horrible italics text on planet.kde.org in konqueror 4?
[18:49] <spiroo> Do not use Umbrello though :P The funny thing that most annoying me is the ugly GUI inside every apps :D Even desktop, specially the menu, KickOff/KMenu
[18:50] <mhb> unlike real bugs, it's really hard to design a "good" GUI
[18:50] <spiroo> Riddell: Well what I mean is that I have interests in both code and graphical interfaces.
[18:50] <mhb> because a) very many people do not have a clear vision of the way it should behave
[18:50] <mhb> b) what someone likes may not be what others like
[18:51] <spiroo> mhb: Yes, there is. But I feel like I have sort of a perfect eye for it, mostly because people get happy when I design, most people like. Then I also have quite a sense for proportionality
[18:52] <spiroo> mhb: Certainly, The main code is the base how the graphical interface has to be done.
[18:53] <jpatrick> apt-cache show kdelibs5-data
[18:53] <jpatrick> Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@ubuntu.com>
[18:53] <spiroo> I am also quite stubborn and a perfectionist, which I think is a good personality for this.
[18:56] <spiroo> Can I get any tips from someone?
[18:57] <ScottK> spiroo: Are you running Kubuntu's KDE4 packages now?
[18:57] <Trigger7> spiroo: either find an app and start hacking, work on packages, or if you want to start coding at the beginning: http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development
[18:58] <spiroo> ScottK: As much as I can yes I would say, but I have not been able to get internet work there. Because there is no support for GlobeTrotter modem.
[18:58] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:59] <vorian> any ideas as to how to correct this error?
[18:59] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55008/
[18:59] <ScottK> My general advice is to dive in, find bugs that annoy you, and see if you can figure out fixes.  If you get fixes, we can help you package them.
[18:59] <spiroo> So I am quite handicaped for the moment :D I would like to test more apps, like Amarok 2 :)
[19:00] <ScottK> vorian: You're probably missing s ($CURDIR)/ in your debian rules.
[19:01] <spiroo> ScottK: Allright, seems like a good idea :) Is it good to design new interfaces, or develop new ideas. I mean for the moment I quite does not know anything behind Linux/KDE4, feels like it anyway :P
[19:01] <ScottK> I think when you are starting, it's best to try and gain understanding of what's there already through small bug fixing.
[19:03] <vorian> ScottK: they are all over in rules
[19:03] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55009/
[19:03] <spiroo> ScottK: ok, hmm but then where does KDE lack mostly for the moment, where do we need better support, generally I mean.
[19:04] <ScottK> spiroo: KDE4 is just released and so could probably use some help most everywhere, but I'm not the best person to answer.
[19:05] <spiroo> ScottK: allright, yes personally I would like to better up the GUI.
[19:06] <spiroo> ScottK: And use more OOP and develop out from the MVC model structure. MVC is mostly for the web, but I would say it could work inside a OS also.
[19:07] <ScottK> vorian: DMARBLE_DATA_PATH=/usr/share/marble/data ... is that right?
[19:07] <nixternal> spiroo: it sounds like you have asperations to become an upstream developer :)
[19:07] <ScottK> nixternal: Let him start out as a downstream bug fixer...
[19:08] <spiroo> Model = Internet or maybe the hardware, you read the hardware inside the Control Layer, which then from the analyze attach different methods and so on. Then we have the view-layer which should work as a application or grapgics layer.
[19:09] <nixternal> well MVC got its start with the GUI, it isn't until recently that MVC implementations have been making their way to web2.0 frameworks
[19:09] <nixternal> for the time being, Qt4 is out MVC framework...yeeeehawwwwww
[19:09] <vorian> hmmmm
[19:09] <vorian> looks like /usr/shar/new/marble/data
[19:11] <spiroo> hehe :)
[19:11] <ScottK> vorian: That error makes me think rules is trying to install outside it's chroot.  I suspect if you add curdir on the front of that it'd work, but I'm not sure.
[19:11]  * nixternal kicks eric, the python ide
[19:11] <vorian> hmmk
[19:12]  * nixternal can't wait for the python plugin for kdevelop to be complete..speaking of which, I need to check up on its progress
[19:13] <vorian> so like this
[19:13] <vorian> DMARBLE_DATA_PATH=$(CURDIR)/usr/share/marble/data
[19:13] <ScottK> That's my thinking.
[19:14] <vorian> werd
[19:14]  * vorian tries it out
[19:16] <gribelu>  i'm giving up.. can't get a multirow taskbar.. opensuse people rule :|
[19:16] <aantipop> uhm
[19:16] <aantipop> its in 4.1 branch i did read
[19:18] <gribelu> opensuse backported it to 4.0 .. panel resizing (with config file) was backported by the kde people.. panel resizing is easy to back port, i have it with UI and all no problem but multi-row tasks that's hard
[19:19] <vorian> ScottK: that did the trick on that error
[19:19] <gribelu> anyone smarted than me want to try it?
[19:19] <vorian> thanks
[19:19] <gribelu> d/r
[19:19] <vorian> (there are now a few more like that to fix)
[19:19] <ScottK> vorian: You understand what was wrong?
[19:20] <vorian> not exactly
[19:20] <vorian> but I know that the $(CURDIR) allowed the dir to be created
[19:20] <vorian> I rebuilt and got the same error on another path
[19:20] <ScottK> Because it made it a relative directory entry in the package.
[19:21] <ScottK> It's like the difference between ls /etc/group an ls etc/group.
[19:21] <vorian> ah!
[19:21] <vorian> ok, that makes sense
[19:21] <ScottK> Of course I picked a dumb example of ls'ing a file, but you get it.
[19:22] <vorian> sure
[19:28] <smarter> gribelu: multirow taskbar is in kdebase-workspace 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu2, isn't it? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-February/006256.html
[19:29] <gribelu> smarter: is it in there? i wouldn't know.. i haven't updated since hours ago
[19:30] <vorian> ok, icon install problem
[19:30] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55011/
[19:30] <gribelu> y
[19:30] <gribelu> the "y" was actualy intended for my dist-upgrade sorry
[19:31] <smarter> gribelu: " Added: kubuntu_401_plasma_taskbar_multirow.diff which adds multirow"
[19:31] <smarter> but the packages have not finished to build ATM
[19:31] <gribelu> ah
[19:32] <gribelu> i shall kill whoever did it though... if it works...
[19:32] <gribelu> just for fun
[19:32] <smarter> The changelog says apachelogger ;)
[19:33] <gribelu> he be crippled then.. you are a good friend!
[19:33] <nixternal> apachelogger_: speaking of which, did you by chance test your patches? I just built and installed and now I can't boot into KDE 4, SEGFAULT
[19:33] <nixternal> it says "FATAL ERROR: QUIT STEALING FROM TRUNK!"
[19:33] <nixternal> :P
[19:34] <smarter> (:
[19:34] <nixternal> hehe
[19:34] <gribelu> smarter: resizing came easy, with or without UI, but the multi-row taskbar was complicated.. it looked hard to me anyway
[19:34] <nixternal> I am beginning to think, there is no IDE better than Eclipse
[19:35] <smarter> KDevelop, QDevelop?
[19:35] <Tonio_> toma: ping ?
[19:35] <nixternal> neither are as good as Eclipse unfortunately
[19:35] <toma> Tonio_: pong
[19:35] <nixternal> I like Eclipse because there isn't a language you can't code in with it
[19:36] <Tonio_> toma: I've been playing for hours with kdesudo-kde4
[19:36] <nixternal> I can switch from a C++/Qt environment, right into a Java/Swing or Java/Qt environment, right into a JavaScript environment, into Python, Ruby, and anything else you can think of
[19:36] <nixternal> Erlang, Ocaml, and the list goes on
[19:36] <Tonio_> toma: I couldn't find a way to write to the stdin of a kde4 kprocess.....
[19:36] <vorian> so can I add something like this to the icon path -DICON_INSTALL_DIR=$(CURDIR)/hicolor/128x128/apps/
[19:36] <Tonio_> toma: stdin, not stdout, that's my problem
[19:36] <Tonio_> toma: you told me you knew how to do this, so any idea ?
[19:37] <Tonio_> toma: I would really like to avoid using a k3process for the port....
[19:37] <toma> Tonio_: hmm, no.
[19:37] <toma> Tonio_: i thought you asked stdout then
[19:37] <smarter> vorian: IIRC, $(CURDIR) is where you are located when you run dpkg-buildpackage, I don't think you want to install things here :)
[19:37] <Tonio_> toma: what to do then ? ask kde-devel channel ?
[19:37] <toma> Tonio_: so you want an application to wait and get input?
[19:38] <Tonio_> toma: I'm affraid that'll need a kprocess class modification, btw
[19:38] <Tonio_> toma: yep
[19:38] <toma> Tonio_: that should be standard c functionality
[19:38] <Tonio_> well sdo already does
[19:38] <Tonio_> toma: the way kdesudo works is this :
[19:38] <Tonio_> sudo is started in a kprocess, waiting for the password on stdin
[19:39] <Tonio_> then the password is set via the kpasswddialog and sent to sudo via kprocess::writestdin
[19:39] <Tonio_> simply that way
[19:40] <Tonio_> everything is there for kdesudo to work on kde4, not that much is to be done now, except that stdin writing.......
[19:40] <Tonio_> toma: any chance you can help us on that point ?
[19:40] <Tonio_> I might not be able to help
[19:40] <ScottK> Tonio_: There's a Klamav 0.42 out.  Mind if I upload it?
[19:40] <vorian> w00t!
[19:40] <vorian> that did the trick
[19:41] <Tonio_> ScottK please do !
[19:41] <toma> Tonio_: ok, so the sudo command waits for input, right?
[19:42] <toma> Tonio_: i mean, you want to pass the info from the password dialog back to sudo
[19:42] <Tonio_> toma: listens on stdin, right, inside the kprocess
[19:42] <Tonio_> true
[19:42] <Tonio_> the writestdin was the ideal way to do that with kde3
[19:43] <toma> Tonio_: ok, where is that code again?
[19:44] <Tonio_> toma: gimme just a minute
[19:44] <Tonio_> I'm fixing a little bullshit in the code and give you the link
[19:44] <toma> okido
[19:48] <Tonio_> bzr checkout bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4
[19:48] <Tonio_> toma: here it is
[19:48] <nixternal> Snowrate for the Chicagoland area as of 13:45:  2 to 3 inches of snow per hour
[19:48] <Tonio_> toma: you should even have commit permissions now
[19:48] <nixternal> jjesse_: man do you have a mess coming your way
[19:49] <Tonio_> toma: see "pushPassword" in the code, that's where I can get and display the password given in the box.....
[19:49] <Tonio_> toma: now I just need to be able to push it stdin...
[19:49] <toma> ok
[19:51] <Tonio_> toma: just re-commited something, now it builds, so you don't have to waste your time for test.......
[19:51] <toma> Tonio_: ah, i cant do tht chechout
[19:51] <Tonio_> toma: hu ?
[19:52] <Tonio_> what does it say ?
[19:52] <toma> Tonio_: http://rafb.net/p/AtVJxn80.html
[19:52] <Tonio_> bzr checkout bzr+ssh://<your_lp_id>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4
[19:53] <toma> bzr: ERROR: Unknown branch format: 'Bazaar pack repository format 1 (needs bzr 0.92)\n'
[19:53] <toma> I've bzr 0.90
[19:54] <Tonio_> toma: then : bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4
[19:54] <Tonio_> read only should work
[19:54] <Tonio_> if not I'll send you a tarball
[19:55] <Tonio_> toma: works ?
[19:56] <toma> Tonio_: no, i asked the mandriva guys to help me and i think they are fixing it
[19:56] <Tonio_> fixing what ? kprocess ?
[19:57] <Tonio_> toma: sorry but I didn't get you there, what are they fixing ?
[19:57] <toma> a package >=0.92
[19:58] <toma> backporting bzr
[19:59] <Tonio_> toma: HO you use mandriva now ?
[19:59] <Tonio_> I didn't knew this :)
[19:59] <Tonio_> toma: want a tarball maybe ? That'll be easier :)
[20:00] <toma> yep, for a while now. it was at that moment that gutsy was not an option and I was not that happy with feisty
[20:00] <toma> can't recall the exact details
[20:00] <Tonio_> hehe okay ;)
[20:01] <MaximLevitsky> Ridell, I am back (to annoy you :-) )
[20:01] <vorian> so, what are we using instead of interdiffs for updates?
[20:02] <Tonio_> toma: http://toniox.org/temp
[20:02] <Tonio_> toma: once again, thanks for your great help !
[20:03] <Tonio_> once that's done, if you succeed, I can handle the rest
[20:03] <toma> yw
[20:07]  * apachelogger_ throws parts of the universe at nixternal
[20:07] <nixternal> apachelogger_: no need to, people in North America are waiting for parts of the universe to fall on us
[20:07] <nixternal> well at least a spy satellite
[20:08] <toma> Tonio_: ok, they backported 1.1 and now i've a checkout
[20:08]  * apachelogger_ notes that nixternal would be able to control spy satellites
[20:08] <Tonio_> toma: super ;)
[20:08] <apachelogger_> question is, why doesn't nixternal do
[20:08] <nixternal> I am working on a plasmoid to do just that now :)
[20:08] <smarter> maybe they're running windows
[20:08] <smarter> that explains why it's falling :}
[20:09] <apachelogger_> nixternal: interessting approach
[20:09] <nixternal> ya, a plasmoid and a wiimote
[20:09] <nixternal> world domination I tell ya
[20:09] <smarter> wiimote FTW
[20:09] <apachelogger_> smarter: essentially I tend to think that windows is actually some how part of the universe
[20:10] <nixternal> seeing as 95% of the universe uses it :)
[20:10] <apachelogger_> nixternal: pfft, world, you could urge for much greater
[20:11] <ryanakca> hmm... *wonders when the showdown between the PSOD and plasmoid+wiimote will be* :)
[20:11] <smarter> PSOD?
[20:11] <ryanakca> pointy stick of doom (TM) ?
[20:12] <smarter> Planetary Screen of the Death? :)
[20:12] <ryanakca> lol
[20:12] <apachelogger_> all these tools
[20:13] <vorian> Riddell: marble updated w/ bug #189675
[20:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189675 in marble "new upstream release for marble 0.5.1" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189675
[20:13]  * apachelogger_ gets himself a sonic screwdriver
[20:13] <apachelogger_> way cooler than the psod and the plasmiimote
[20:14] <ryanakca> lol
[20:14] <ScottK> Tonio_: Upstream removed the automatic update functionality for Klamav/Clamav from Klamav, so we don't have to patch it anymore.
[20:14] <Tonio_> ScottK, good news, I suggested him to do so, but never got any response...
[20:15] <smarter> yay for screwdrivers :) http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8f52/
[20:15] <ryanakca> apachelogger_: if you give me a few hundred euros/$, I could probably make you a chainmail hauberk with a Kubuntu Logo inlay... you could be a Kubuntu knight :P
[20:15] <ryanakca> lol
[20:15]  * ryanakca wonders where you could find screw drivers with all those heads
[20:16] <apachelogger_> mhhh
[20:16] <apachelogger_> soncis crewdrivers are still better
[20:16] <apachelogger_> -s somewhere
[20:17] <ScottK> Tonio_: The Changelog credits a Gentoo patch.  Maybe he just finally heard it enough.
[20:17] <Tonio_> ScottK, possibly :)
[20:21] <MaximLevitsky> Riddell, you told me to email kevin kofler  about that fix in kdm. I assume he is the autor of kdm support for consolekit, but I don't know his email
[20:22] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: google for 'kevin kofler'...
[20:22] <Lure> MaximLevitsky: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KevinKofler
[20:23]  * Lure got it by ryanakca method ;-)
[20:23] <Riddell> MaximLevitsky: he is, I don't know his e-mail either
[20:24] <ryanakca> MaximLevitsky: when it comes to open source people... if they've been involved for more than a month... you can pretty much garantee that you can find their email, and possibly a bio/wiki page on google :)
[20:24] <MaximLevitsky> Thanks a lot
[20:25]  * apachelogger_ searches for himself on google
[20:25] <lontra> what's the difference between the ppa kde3 packages and the regular ones in kubuntu?
[20:25] <jpatrick> lontra: ppa has hardy updates
[20:26] <lontra> jpatrick: here it says gutsy updates too ... i only notice it b/c i got my kde4 packages from ppa and haven't commented it out
[20:26] <lontra> are they ok to upgrade to?
[20:26] <jpatrick> lontra: must be bug fix, yeah
[20:28] <ScottK> That or a test gone wrong and never uploaded.
[20:28] <ScottK> I wouldn't make assumptions.
[20:28] <apachelogger_> haha
[20:28] <apachelogger_> http://freshpatents.com/Harald-Sitter-Chables-invdirs.php
[20:29] <lontra> ScottK: so is it best to comment that out except for updating kde4 packages?
[20:29] <Nightrose> Try the following:
[20:29] <Nightrose> 1. In your home directory create a file called ".xinitrc"
[20:29] <Nightrose> 2. In ".xinitrc" place the following line:
[20:29] <Nightrose> sorry ;-)
[20:30] <ScottK> lontra: I really have no idea.  I wouldn't install from a PPA unless I knew why I wanted that package.  For the KDE4 stuff you know that.
[20:30]  * apachelogger_ doesn't know that app
[20:30] <apachelogger_> sorry sounds kinda stupid anyway
[20:30] <Nightrose> meh apachelogger_ :P
[20:30] <lontra> ScottK: thanks ... would you say ppa is analogous to debian's experimental repo?
[20:31] <ScottK> lontra: No.  Experimental is highly controlled in comparison.
[20:31] <apachelogger_> ScottK: that doesn't sound very flattering :P
[20:31] <apachelogger_> we didn't broke the ppa once
 hmm... did that falcon-the-language vs falcon-the-package-archive-util issue ever get resolved? </offtopic>
[20:31] <ScottK> apachelogger_: It's not wrong though.
[20:31] <ScottK> ryanakca: Yes
[20:31] <ryanakca> ScottK: :)
[20:32] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Any LP user can create a PPA and upload anything to it.  It's not limited to actual developers
[20:32] <ScottK> Not saying the KDE team PPAs aren't good, but that PPAs in generally are uncontrolled 3rd party repositories.
[20:32] <apachelogger_> true
[20:33] <lontra> thanks that helps me understand PPAs a bit better
[20:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: wouldn't that cause support issues (having PPA open to all)... thinking back to all that "we don't support 3rd party packages!" trouble in #ubuntu last year or something? Not that PPA for everybody is a bad thing.... might pull people into packaging... meh :)
[20:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: hold me - I feel like crying :/
[20:34] <apachelogger_> ryanakca: it is open to all
[20:34] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: why?
[20:34] <ryanakca> apachelogger_: yes, sorry, s/wouldn't/doesn't/
[20:34] <ScottK> ryanakca: I think it's a very bad thing.  We don't support 3rd party packages, but it's almost impossible for the average user to tell the difference any more.
[20:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: borked my desktop system this morning - reinstalling now and it takes ages
[20:35] <ryanakca> ScottK: imho, most people associate anything on launchpad to "official Ubuntu"
[20:35] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: why did you do that?
[20:35] <ScottK> Exactly.
[20:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: oh I felt like it
[20:36] <Nightrose> :P
[20:36] <apachelogger_> cool
[20:36]  * apachelogger_ never does
[21:19] <MaximLevitsky> Riddell, I emailed Kevin Kofler, and he already answered me
[21:21] <MaximLevitsky> He says that kubuntu version of consolekit is outdated, and that the fix for XDMCP isn't good.
[21:21] <MaximLevitsky> The right fix is to use latest version of consolekit he posted at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147790
[21:21] <ubotu> KDE bug 147790 in general "RFE: ConsoleKit support in KDM (preliminary patch provided)" [Wishlist,New]
[21:22] <toma> Tonio_: ping
[21:23] <toma> Riddell: when i do a bzr commit, is it pushed to the server automatically ?
[21:23] <stdin> toma: no you need to do bzr push
[21:24] <toma> stdin: no push location known or specified
[21:24] <hads> Give it the push location once and it will remember it.
[21:25] <stdin> ah, then you need to give it one. but it'll remember it after
[21:25] <toma> silly bzr
[21:25] <hads> Silly non-mind-reading :)
[21:26] <toma> stdin: no new revisions to push
[21:27] <stdin> you did "bzr commit"?
[21:27] <smarter> afaik, if you've created your branch with checkout it pushes things automatically if you don't specify --local
[21:28] <toma> smarter: indeed. I did a new checkout and my changes are there
[21:28] <toma> so all is ok
[21:29] <toma> Tonio_: i've commited the changes. have fun with it
[21:30] <jpatrick> man /me needs a DD.... again
[21:31] <smarter> jpatrick: Debian Developer? ;)
[21:31] <jpatrick> smarter: yes
[21:33] <smarter> jpatrick: could you re-re-ack Bespin please? :}
[21:33] <jpatrick> smarter: what did you break this time?
[21:34] <jpatrick> and don't lie, /me has debdiffs
[21:34] <smarter> jpatrick: nothing, but I uploaded a new revision right after you acked it
[21:34] <smarter> :o
[21:34] <jpatrick> -Description: Bespin - a very glossy Qt4 widget style
[21:34] <jpatrick> +Description: A very glossy Qt4 widget style
[21:34] <smarter> Lintian error
[21:35] <jpatrick> smarter: bespin and kepas acked
[21:35] <smarter> thanks mate
[21:35] <jpatrick> anytime
[21:37] <MaximLevitsky> What should I do,  (I am tried of that bug, seriosly) , Riddell, stdin, ..
[21:42] <Tonio_> toma: you rock !
[21:42] <jpatrick> MaximLevitsky: I suggest sending a message to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com - explaining what the problem is, and how it should be fixed
[21:42] <toma> ;-)
[21:42] <Tonio_> toma: and the stdin writting works ?
[21:43] <toma> of course
[21:43] <Tonio_> damn, I wish I had your knowledge in coding
[21:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks to the help of toma, we may have a working kdesudo-kde4 at time for hardy
[21:43] <Tonio_> ;)
[21:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: the big problem blocking mhb and myself has been fixed :)
[21:44]  * jpatrick wishes he had anyones knowledge in coding
[21:46] <Tonio_> toma: a.setQuitOnLastWindowClosed( false );
[21:46] <Tonio_> toma: I've been searching for that one
[21:46] <Tonio_> toma: is that new in kde4 ? We didn't have the problem of quitting that way with kde3
[21:46] <toma> Tonio_: i suddenly remembered that one from rsibreak ;-)
[21:48] <Tonio_> toma: hehe
[21:48] <toma> indeed it is new in 4
[21:48] <Tonio_> okay
[21:48] <toma> so basically when the last window is closed the application exits
[21:49] <toma> which was the case when the password dialog was closed
[21:49] <Tonio_> toma: that's KAppliction specific right ?
[21:49] <toma> qapplication
[21:49] <Tonio_> toma: well that's not that bad, as it avoids application broken in the background using cpu
[21:49] <Tonio_> toma: okay
[21:50] <Tonio_> toma: and p->write(pwd.toLatin1()+"\n");
[21:50] <Tonio_> I assume write is a qprocess method right ?
[21:51] <toma> yes it is
[21:51] <Tonio_> oki
[21:51] <toma> you should check that toLatin1() btw, could be toLocal8bit() is better, i don't know
[21:51] <Tonio_> toma: and to understand in details, what did you change in kdesudo.h ? I can't figure out the changes...
[21:51] <toma> probably depends on the system locale or something
[21:52] <Tonio_> toma: local8bits might be more compatible globally, especially talking about non latin locales.... I'll make some tests on that point
[21:52] <Riddell> MaximLevitsky: update the patch for the newer one
[21:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: what was the big problem?
[21:53] <toma> Tonio_: ok. about the .h, I've changed the class not to inherit KPasswordDialog, but a QObject, and making the Dialog a member.
[21:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: printing the password to stdin as the new kprocess doesn't have a method for this
[21:54] <MaximLevitsky> Riddell, I ask at  kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com, ok
[21:54] <MaximLevitsky> ?
[21:54] <Tonio_> toma: that's something I wanted to do in fact
[21:54] <toma> Tonio_: also because of the fact that we don't want the object to be destroyed when the dialog is closed
[21:54] <Tonio_> removing the kpassworddialog inheritance
[21:55] <Tonio_> toma: that was my concern too ;)
[21:55] <toma> if that's your intuition, you should do it ;-)
[21:56] <dschulz> Riddell: Is appropiated if I ask you something regarding the libqt4-sql package here?
[21:57] <Tonio_> toma: bah because I'm not really a coder, I avoid doing things following my intuition ;)
[21:57] <Tonio_> brb
[22:02] <blizzzek> gn8
[22:02] <toma> dschulz: smarter had a problem with that one too. maybe it's the same.
[22:04] <dschulz> toma: actually I have no *real* problems at all, just need support for firebird :)
[22:04] <smarter_> and I just need support for anything :)
[22:04] <smarter_> there's no qt sql driver at all here
[22:05] <smarter_> I get this: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" and nothing
[22:05] <dschulz> have you installed libqt4-sql ??
[22:05] <toma> smarter: did you try installing the other drivers?
[22:06] <smarter_> dschulz: yes
[22:07] <smarter_> toma: I don't feel like manually compiling Qt4
[22:07] <toma> hu, there should be one for -mysql too
[22:08] <dschulz> toma: yes, I would like to have independent packages for each driver
[22:08] <smarter_> I would like to have drivers :)
[22:09] <dschulz> smarter: your case is really weird
[22:09] <smarter_> dschulz: are you running hardy?
[22:09] <dschulz> smarter: yes
[22:09] <smarter_> qt 4.3.3-0ubuntu2?
[22:10] <toma> same version for the -sql ?
[22:10] <smarter_> yes
[22:10] <toma> did you ever install qt from svn?
[22:10] <smarter_> nop
[22:10] <dschulz> I have not had any problem so far with qt4
[22:12] <smarter_> do you have a $QT-whatever variable defined?
[22:12] <smarter_> env|grep -i qt
[22:12] <toma> smarter: what is the path for qt?
[22:13] <smarter_> I don't have any QT variable defined
[22:13] <smarter_> and my PATH is standard path
[22:13] <toma> anyhow, check if you have a plugins/lib/sqldrivers/libqsqlite.so in there
[22:13] <smarter_> there's no lib dir in /usr/lib/qt4/plugins
[22:14] <toma> ok, so check what that package installs
[22:14] <toma> dpkg -c package.rpm
[22:14] <smarter_> .rpm?
[22:14] <toma> .deb
[22:14] <toma> whatever
[22:14] <smarter_> :)
[22:14] <smarter_> the libqsqlite.so file is in Qt3, not 4
[22:15] <dschulz> ups.. im running gutsy in this machine, forgot that.. hardy is in my home :S
[22:15] <smarter_> libqt4-sql install /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.3.3
[22:15] <smarter_> and i have it
[22:15] <smarter_> md5sum af4d530584f43848de06d9f8248ebf41
[22:15] <smarter_> 181K
[22:15] <dschulz> i have 4.3.2, a huge difference
[22:16] <toma> ok, try making a symlink in plugins name: lib pointing to that /usr/lib
[22:16] <toma> and file a bugreport ;-)
[22:17] <toma> or copy the file over the right spot
[22:17] <toma> might be safer
[22:17] <dschulz> smarter: im just curious, can you try dpkg -L libqt4-sql | wc -l
[22:17] <smarter> I copied /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4.3.3 in /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/lib/sqldrivers but no luck
[22:18] <smarter> dschulz: 16
[22:18] <smarter> the only "real" file installed is the libQtSql.so.4.3.3
[22:18] <dschulz> ok i have 16 too
[22:18] <dschulz> smarter: me too
[22:18] <smarter> dschulz: env|grep -i qt
[22:19] <toma> smarter: did you copy the symling from ~.so to ~so.4.3.3  too ?
[22:19] <dschulz> smarter: gives nothing
[22:20] <dschulz> smarter: have you tried just reinstalling ?
[22:20] <smarter> toma: doesn't work :/
[22:20] <smarter> dschulz: reinstalling what?
[22:20] <dschulz> libqt4-sql
[22:20] <smarter> I try
[22:21] <dschulz> sudo aptitude reinstall libqt4-sql
[22:21] <smarter> that's what I'm doing
[22:21] <smarter> still doesn't work :(
[22:22] <dschulz> i would like to see your c++ code
[22:22] <smarter> dschulz: http://pastebin.com/m4ff46a3f
[22:23] <smarter> I found it on the firebird bug report
[22:23] <jpatrick> lol
[22:23] <smarter> jpatrick: ?
[22:24] <jpatrick> smarter: just four lines ;)
[22:25] <smarter> jpatrick: it's not the size that count! :P
[22:26] <toma> smarter: what does a call to QSqlDatabase::drivers ()  output?
[22:26] <jpatrick> < smarter_> I get this: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:" and nothing
[22:27] <dschulz> smarter: your code works successfully here
[22:31] <smarter> dschulz: QSqlDatabase::drivers() outputs nothing
[22:31] <toma> k
[22:31] <toma> so it does not load the plugins
[22:32] <dschulz> smarter: I tried this http://pastebin.com/m692db13c
[22:33] <smarter> dschulz: doesn't work
[22:33] <toma> smarter: what's the output of QLibraryInfo::location(QLibraryInfo::PluginsPath)
[22:34] <smarter> toma: "/usr/lib/qt4/plugins"
[22:34] <toma> smarter: ok, so that should hold the sql plugins, does it?
[22:35] <smarter> yes, it should but it doesn't :)
[22:35] <toma> in lib/sqldrivers
[22:35] <toma> it should work when they are in that folder.
[22:36] <smarter> off to bed, thanks for the help
[22:36] <dschulz> smarter: can you  strace ./mytest  ?
[22:37] <dschulz> smarter: and copy to pastebin
[22:38] <smarter> http://pastebin.com/m25f0f9
[22:43] <dschulz> im comparing
[22:49] <dschulz> the only difference I see is that every open (3) call returns  3 in my system, and 5 in yours
[22:50] <dschulz> in my system:    open("/usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4", O_RDONLY) = 5
[22:50] <dschulz> thats in your system, mine returns 3
[22:51] <smarter> dschulz: ls -l /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4 ?
[22:52] <dschulz> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-02-06 19:20 /usr/lib/libQtSql.so.4 -> libQtSql.so.4.3.2
[22:52] <smarter> same here(except I've 4.3.3 and not 4.3.2)
[22:56] <dschulz> smarter: look at this  strace ./qtsql 2> out.txt ; grep '/usr/lib' out.txt
[22:56] <dschulz> smarter: see how every call to open (3) returns 5 in your system
[22:59] <dschulz> i dont know exactly what errno 5 means
[22:59] <smarter> I'm not a unix system calls  guru :)
[23:01] <smarter> according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_(system_call) there's no problem if it's not negative
[23:02] <dschulz> aha, but is somewhat strange the difference  3 vs 5 in every call
[23:04] <dschulz> have you tried running ldconfig ?  just to try
[23:04] <smarter> doesn't work
[23:05] <smarter> I'm pretty sure it's a bug in latest Kubuntu Qt patch
[23:05] <dschulz> me too
[23:05] <smarter> anyway, off to bed for real, good night everyone
[23:06] <dschulz> try qt4.4   :)
[23:06] <dschulz> good night
[23:07] <DaSkreech> night
[23:43] <mhb> hmm
[23:43] <mhb> Riddell: I guess we've forgotten about meetings, haven't we?
[23:44]  * mhb votes to have one soonish
[23:50] <coreymon77> huh? what?
[23:50] <coreymon77> oh
[23:51] <coreymon77> i say we make one at a time that i can make
[23:51] <mhb> I say we make me sleep
[23:51] <mhb> :o)
[23:51] <Riddell> mhb: saturday at 11 it should be
[23:53] <mhb> okay, updated the meeting page.
[23:53] <coreymon77> Riddell: and when would that be for me?
[23:55] <mhb> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_UTC.aspx?y=2008&mo=2&d=9&h=11&mn=0
[23:55] <mhb> coreymon77: ^^
[23:57] <claydoh> its an gosh-awful time in the AM for me . EST :)
[23:58] <claydoh> 6AM lol
[23:58] <coreymon77> oh come on!
[23:58] <mhb> claydoh: well, this one is more Europe-centric
[23:58] <coreymon77> a little later please!
[23:58] <mhb> we also do one at 23:00 A.M.
[23:58] <claydoh> thats ok
[23:59] <mhb> that'll be the one after this one
[23:59] <mhb> which means 6PM, I guess you can catch that
[23:59] <coreymon77> i usually eat dinner at 6