[00:00] you can poke Riddell, Hobbsee or jpatrick too. or scream and shout in here until someone looks :p [00:00] I try :-) [00:00] I will try :-) [00:01] Thanks a lot [00:01] Btw, on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff [00:02] There is a question about binary files in the end of the page [00:02] What do you think about it? [00:04] are you adding any binary files? [00:05] No [00:06] Just want to know what is done in case of this [00:06] you'd have to uuencode any binary file, but that's something you don't need to worry about now [00:09] Last question, what if I assign tjis bug to Jonathan Riddell, is this ok? , (Most bugzillas has a cc list, but I don't see this in launchpad) [00:10] we (the kubuntu team) get emails from all the bugs in all the KDE packages anyway [00:11] stdin: if one subscribes to kubuntu-bugs that is... [00:13] yuriy: Riddell does :) [00:13] besides, the bug contact for kdebase (and other kde packages) is "Kubuntu Team", so you only need to be a member of that to get bug emails [00:14] But this anoying bug is still unnoticed.... [00:14] I mean the XDMCP allows easly to launch KDE4 in xnest [00:16] it was only reported on 2007-12-23, I wouldn't call that unnoticed [00:18] Btw the debdiff must be applied on top of exactly the same package it was generated, or not [00:19] yeah [00:20] Thus mine debdiff will be obsolte in few days...., right [00:20] why is that? [00:21] kwwii: ping, were you interested in submitting a mockup? [00:22] stdin, because kdm is a part of kdebase, and this package is updated qute often, (I am on hardy this is...) [00:22] And you say that debdiff won't apply on the modified package [00:23] 3 updates a month isn't that often [00:23] and you'll get your patch into the next update if you upload it [00:23] ryanakca: hmm [00:23] ryanakca: I'm not sure you get this Europe thing [00:23] ryanakca: let me explain: it's real late in Europe [00:24] ryanakca: 01:22 A.M. [00:24] if you were a married man with children, would you be fresh at 01:22 AM ? [00:24] :o) [00:24] (I assume he is) [00:25] it's not 01:22 AM where I am, and I'm in Europe ;) [00:25] stdin: true, but not in my europe, he's in my europe :o) [00:25] I thought it was *our* europe :p [00:26] stdin: where are you? uk? [00:26] yeah [00:27] ryanakca: anyway, I'm just joking, but I don't think you'll catch him at this time. [00:27] ryanakca: I hope you're not offended [00:28] it is indeed late and I would say my bed was calling me if I wasn't actually lying on my bed now [00:28] mhb: in portugal is even sooner..~00h28am :) [00:28] mhb: lol :) [00:28] stdin, actually I need to change a kubuntu patch, not to add one, the bug is in 70_kdm_consolekit.diff [00:29] Fortunialy, I can just edt the patch, since the fix is trivial [00:29] mhb: I pinged him and then tried to implement a gcd function in C++... incledible how such a simple algorithm (Euclid's algorithm) can give so many errors... all of them syntax of course :) [00:29] MaximLevitsky: then just change the changelog comment to "Edited debian/patches/70_kdm_consolekit.diff to fix ... (LP: #????)" [00:30] ryanakca: that's like two lines [00:30] yeah, here's what I have : [00:31] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54945/ [00:31] mhb: http://blog.ryanak.ca/gcd.cpp [00:32] mhb: do you need the 'else', since the function probably breaks after it returns once? [00:32] no [00:33] gcd.cpp:9: error: invalid operands of types ‘double’ and ‘double’ to binary ‘operator%’ [00:33] but it looks nicer :o) [00:33] lol [00:33] also, passing double is a bit strange, isn't it? [00:33] do you need doubles? rather than int's ? [00:33] * ryanakca shrugs and tries ints [00:35] heh, I added to change them from 'double' to 'const int'... [00:35] if you're passing by reference, use const int& [00:36] s/int/int&/ :) [00:36] Sorry to bother you, with trivial questions, but is this a good changelog entry : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54946/ [00:37] MaximLevitsky: you need -- Your name date at the end [00:37] that's a bit verbose too [00:38] you're missing hardy; urgency=low after the version [00:38] hmm, I wonder whether you can pass a % b as a "const int &" [00:38] MaximLevitsky: you can change "Fixes " to "(LP: #bugid)" too, iirc [00:38] Thanks a lot [00:38] you know, you call there a gcd(b, a % b) ... is "a % b" an actual const int& ? [00:38] MaximLevitsky: and get rid of the "Thanks to for reporting this", if people are interested, they can probably look at the bug repord... [00:38] * mhb shrugs [00:39] Btw, can changelog entries be autogenerated, like those small things [00:39] MaximLevitsky: in my most humble opinion [00:39] look at dch [00:40] something like http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54947/ [00:40] ryanakca, thanks a lot, I just don't like t to take a credit for bug that wasn't fixed by me, but ok I remove the thanks line [00:41] Thanks a lot [00:41] see this too, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog :) [00:42] MaximLevitsky: well, its just my most humble opinion, disregard and check with MOTUs if you want to keep it... [00:42] * ryanakca tries to find that debian changelog style guide [00:54] * DaSkreech heads home [00:55] stdin, now I get this : [00:55] gpg: skipped "Maxim Levitsky ": secret key not availablegpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available [00:55] doesn't really matter if you're just making a debdiff [00:56] Great, I don't yet have a digital signature [00:56] MaximLevitsky: have you created your key yet? [00:56] No [00:57] I am just a ordinary user, I fix few bugs [00:57] I even fixed few bugs in likux kernel [00:57] likux/linux [00:58] then you'll want to create one :) [00:58] !gpg | MaximLevitsky [00:58] MaximLevitsky: gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts [00:59] I know about it, but I suppose I need to publish a key somehow, right? [00:59] I played with it few times [00:59] you just upload it to keyserver.ubuntu.com [00:59] well, generate the key, then upload it to a keyserver [01:00] it'll propagate through all the other servers then [01:00] When I need, I will do that, thanks [01:00] MaximLevitsky: if you want to upload a package to Ubuntu, you'll need to :) [01:01] I am sendind just a debdiff [01:01] sending [01:01] ? [01:01] or if you want to use PPAs, those are good to show that your fix works [01:01] you don't need a gpg key just to attach a debdiff though [01:02] nope [01:03] And I thought that bugfixing the kernel is hard... just send a patch to LKML... [01:04] And git generales patches.... [01:11] Done [01:11] How does this look now [01:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/178242 [01:11] Launchpad bug 178242 in kdebase "KDM doesn't work in XDMCP mode" [Undecided,New] [01:16] that's better [01:33] Thanks everyone [01:33] Goodbye [01:34] bye \o [01:34] Thanks [01:35] hey guys. Just read a blog post, by Richard Johnson, that said anyone wanting to help with Kubuntu should stop off here [01:35] my exams finsihed as of 4:00, and now I've got plenty of time free and I want to hack on things! [01:36] I can do C++ programming, I've been helping out on Dragonplayer doing tiny fixes, but that's kindof in a really dull feature freeze time. Anything I can help with? [01:38] david_edmundson: Welcome. [01:38] david_edmundson: Where are your interests? [01:39] making KDE4 awesome [01:40] adding tiny features/bug fixing to stuff is really where I'm probably best at [01:40] rather than anything massive [01:40] Are you running our KDE4 packages now? [01:40] nixternal: ^^^ Someone wants to help... [01:41] yeah, excpet kdemultimedia which is SVN for dragonplayer [01:41] I've got to run for a little while. This is a quiet time of day here, but be patient and don't go away. [01:41] okies [01:41] when is busy time? [01:41] it's about 1.30 AM here [01:41] But if you want to dive in, find problems and propose patches, feel free. [01:41] is there a "junior jobs" for KDE4? [01:41] No need to ask permission. If you can figure a patch, someone here will help you package it. [01:42] None of the KDE4 packagers are here right now (mostly they are in Europe). [01:42] Saturdays tend to be busier.. 7 - 17h00 EST (UTC-5) tend to be busier too [01:42] ok, I just don't want to repeat other peoples work, and having to join a billion mailing lists and IRC channels for each project will get tiresome [01:42] Right. [01:42] okies [01:43] Feel free to either wait for direction or pick out something that's bugging you. [01:43] ok will do. [01:43] BOO! [01:43] Hey Hobbsee :) [01:44] david_edmundson: you could look on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging if you want to find something to package.. [01:44] * ryanakca => bed :) [01:44] * Hobbsee attacks nixternal with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™ [01:44] oh goody, kde 4.0.1 is on the mirror [01:45] oh, there's a 4.0.1 already? *has been falling behind* [01:45] david_edmundson: Or look on launchpad for bugs other people have reported. Since you are a C++ programer, it's probably better you focus on figuring patches and let those of us who package ,package them for you. [01:46] ok, shall I patch directly into KDE's svn? [01:46] or through launchpad [01:46] ScottK2: why? if ti didn't change any existing functions at all, just added more? [01:46] david_edmundson: Depends on what it is. If it's a big impact patch, I think we'd like it here to get it out. [01:47] Hobbsee: Gotta run. Back later. [01:47] ta ScottK bye [01:47] ScottK2: for debian, i think you want dch -Ui [01:47] apachelogger_: no, they can't blacklist. they can't even cancel builds [01:58] hi Hobbsee [02:00] ScottK2: now the stick *does* know about KDE4, and has used it. you can't stand in for it. [02:01] Hobbsee: Aww he makes a decent beating stick [02:03] * Hobbsee beats dasKreech [02:03] * dasKreech eeps [02:04] Wat haz I do ? [02:04] dasKreech: i'm proving that The Stick is better for beating. and you didn't fix all the kde4 bugs. [02:05] No one fixes all the KDE bugs [02:06] it's a thin excuse we use to fly around to drinking part^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H KDE Gatherings [02:08] * dasKreech would much rather be poked and prodded by Hobbsee than KDE.* [02:40] Hobbsee: I'll gladly step back. [02:41] or you can jus tborrow the stick [02:41] K. I'll remember that. [02:41] BTW, my thing about dch is I think modifying our tools to support 3rd party repositories is a big deal that should have been discussed. [02:42] this is true, but PPA's are kinda different [02:43] They are part of LP, but not part of *buntu [02:44] I also think that if we are going to support it, we ought to have some discussion about what the rules should be for versioning, naming, etc. [02:44] well, feel free to put up a discussion at ubuntu-devel@l.u.c if you like [02:46] I will, but probably not today. It'd have been nicer to do it before, but better late than never. [02:53] including in the Home directory the folders Documents, Videos, Music , etc is part of what again? [02:58] also do you conside the different parts of the application launcher as tabs? i.e. Favorites, Applications, Computer, etc... [03:18] * lontra wonders if guidance-powermanager will be updated to new oxygen theme [03:28] hola [03:28] hola [03:28] did you vote today? [03:28] w00t nixternal [03:29] ya, I voted at 4, ran the polls until 6, then went to school [03:29] jsut got home [03:29] nixternal: did you Barak the vote :) [03:29] HELL NO [03:29] lol [03:29] Romney right? [03:29] HELL NO again :) [03:30] i wrote bush in for my vote [03:30] if I was a millionaire, then I would have voted for Romney [03:30] I am surprised by Hucklebee actually [03:30] I hate the Huckster [03:30] I thought everyone did as well [03:31] he's nothing but a spoiler [03:31] and a religious Bigot [03:31] with many skeletons in his closet [03:31] yes [03:31] ooooh Klosets! [03:31] and the other half of his body [03:31] kennedy type skeletons [03:31] according to cnn's tracker barak is doing well [03:31] ya, but hillary will eventually chew him up and spit him out [03:32] or kill him [03:32] hrmm, kde4-style-bespin was rejected, and smarter isn't here [03:33] nixternal: I got the upstream to fix the COPYING file for lemon [03:33] It has all 3 licences now [03:34] saw that obama has 10 states vs. 6 for clinton, Hucakbee 6 states, Romney 3 states, McCain 6 states [03:35] ya, but clinton has the big states, though obama gained 80+ delegates I think [03:35] it will be close [03:35] if Romney is out, I'm going to Barak the vote [03:35] don't blame me i voted for paul [03:35] we don't vote until March 4 [03:36] but shoot, we could be in ww3 by then [03:36] michgian's delegates don't count as the state moved things up and the parties decided not to count our delgates [03:36] why ww3? [03:36] its the only way bush can stay president :P [03:37] (unseen winks an nods) [03:38] hrmm will locking the deskopt in KDE4 be fixed before release of 8.04? [03:40] i love working with large documents and tracking changes [03:40] makes it easy to read [03:43] krunner is what is displayed when you alt+f2 correct? [03:43] jjesse: I see you are working on the book tonight :) [03:43] yes i am [03:43] the Edubuntu chapter is not going to be fun [03:44] there is a lot of work that I have to get done by next week [03:44] i have a lot of work that needs to be done [03:44] and there are still quite a few issues with Edubuntu and its future [03:44] jjesse: correct [03:44] i think i'm doing a KDE4 version for the book and then a kde 3 version linked off a web page [03:44] krunner = alt+f2 [03:44] the future of Edubuntu? i thought it was gaining a lot of traction? [03:44] oh, it isn't going anywhere === robotgee1 is now known as robotgeek [03:45] it is just the way it will be made available [03:45] oh [03:45] w00t, there is the other Kubuntu document dude [03:45] yeah? [03:45] wasabi robotgeek [03:45] hola robotgeek [03:45] hey nixternal, jjesse [03:45] Edubuntu will supposedly be an addon CD for Ubuntu, LTSP is leaving the Edubuntu CD and going over to the Ubuntu Alternate CD [03:45] stuff like that [03:45] just back from my trip from India. [03:46] which, if you read the Edubuntu chapter, like 60% or more is LTSP [03:46] ah [03:46] interseting [03:46] and after further discussions with the editor, I could tell they know absolutely nothing about *buntu :) [03:46] robotgeek: how was the trip? [03:47] you mean debra? [03:47] nixternal: short and hectic. looks like i am still jetlagged. i dozed off and woke up just now when a friend called [03:47] seems pretty smart to me, she was at UDS Boston for 2 days [03:47] i love how it seems in one version we go with Manage Packages (Adept Manager) and then in a different version we go with Adept (Manage Packages) [03:48] makes things great [03:48] ya, I want to doze off myself, I think we are supposed to have a MC meeting early in the morning [03:48] and we are under a heavy snow warning right now [03:48] 12+ inches [03:48] yikes! [03:48] heh [03:48] slacking off the MC already? :P [03:48] 10 inches tonight [03:48] if we get that amount of snow, then yes...I will have a ton of snow blowing to do [03:49] * jjesse has a plow guy [03:49] and my parents, no they can't have a normal driveway, they have a nice HUGE rounded driveway [03:49] typically takes 4 hours with the snow blower with 3 to 4 inches of snow [03:50] well, I had a plow for my truck that I kept in the UHaul storage, but someone broke into it a couple of months back and stole everything out of it [03:50] ie. they stole my 486 that was running Debian Potato [03:50] bummer [03:50] that was my first computer to I ever bought in 1994 [03:50] err [03:50] 1992 [03:50] can you still get updates for potato :) :) [03:50] I have no idea [03:50] I booted it up last summer to see what was on it [03:51] a lot of Linux Documentation Project files [03:51] in case anyone cares [03:51] CLINTON: AR, MA, MO, NY, NJ, OK, TN [03:51] OBAMA: AL, CT, DE, GA, ID, IL, KS, MN, ND, UT [03:51] HUCKABEE: AL, AR, GA, MO, TN [03:51] MCCAIN: AZ, CT, DE, IL, NJ, NY, OK [03:51] ROMNEY: MA, ND, UT [03:52] heh, I grabbed the Republican ballot, and 2 of my friends from high school were on it running for some local board stuff [03:53] nixternal: mail me some edubuntu docs if you want me to proof read. I haven't been keeping up with edubuntu it seems [03:53] hey, someone had a good idea for the wallpaper... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Attic/Animals <-- Riddell - the Elephant Blue ones, I use them on my desktop and it does look really sharp, though I change up the super bright kicker [03:54] dasKreech: I need to write something first :) [03:54] right now I just went through and did s/10/9/ [03:54] that elephant blue one is cool [03:54] I have to go to the book store tomorrow and read through the chapter making sure the screenshots can stay or go [03:54] jjesse: ya, it looks really good too [03:54] grin you don't ahve a copy of the latest version? [03:54] it totally fits the *buntu as well [03:55] jjesse: no, I gave mine away at the gutsy release event [03:55] btw debra said that currently the official bubuntu book is the most popular selling linux book out there [03:55] you want to hear something funny about that jjesse? [03:55] sure [03:55] the guy who wanted the book just for the Kubuntu chapter, so I think Eddie told him I was Jonathan Jesse, so I signed it as you :p [03:55] ha that's awesome [03:56] my co-workers give me crap about the book all the time [03:56] they make me sign there copies [03:56] haha, that rocks [03:56] netsplit on oftc just filled up my screen [03:59] hrm now on to the part about upgrading between gutsy w/ kde4 to hardy w/ kde4 [03:59] sudo apt-get dist-upgrage :p [03:59] will update_notifier still let you knwo htere is a new version upon release date? [03:59] I have updated like that since Dapper and have yet to hit a snag [03:59] although I do it from Stable -> Unstable...Stable -> Unstable....Stable...you get the idea :) [03:59] update_notifier and adept_updater bombed on the feisty -> gutsy release [04:00] have no clue on that yet [04:00] for KDE 3 I am sure...for KDE 4 don't count on it, but don't count it out either [04:00] only doing KDE 3 -> KDE 3 and KDE 4 -> KDE 4 for Hardy, don't think we will attempt KDE 3 -> KDE 4 just yet [04:00] isn't necessary anyways until Hardy+1 [04:01] that's what Riddell told me, no kde 3 to kde 4 automagic update [04:01] awesome, complete re write of system settings sectin, inlcuding how to manage users requires system settings kde3 [04:01] schweet [04:03] dude, you have it easy, at least you know 100% what you are writing about and at least 75% of what to expect [04:03] I know about 75% of what I am writing about and about 10% of what to expect [04:03] hell, the devs only know 15% of what to expect :p [04:08] nixternal: no I mean any links to discussions the edubuntu guys had or release notes or something [04:10] #ubuntu-meeting is about it [04:20] The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. [04:21] :P [04:22] dasKreech: Sure. It totally sucks. It's just better than the other choices. [04:22] man, it is so nice having my guilty pleasure of flash and youtube back in konqi [04:23] that means I don't have to boot up windows anymore when someone gives me a flash link [04:23] ScottK: Well done :) [04:39] nixternal: Remember our fun with scribus the other day? [04:40] How come patching the upstream.desktop 'fixed' your icon problem when scribus.install installs the one in the debian directory? [04:40] And the problem wasn't your imagination because someone else had filed a bug on it. [04:48] dasKreech: I can paraphrase Winston Churchill with the best of them. [04:49] ScottK: ) I don't count as the best so don't do it with me you'll dull yourself [04:50] What would you say's the best then? [04:50] !info elisa hardy [04:50] elisa (source: elisa): media center solution. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-1 (hardy), package size 10786 kB, installed size 17160 kB [04:50] ScottK: now I'm confused :) what? [04:50] !info kde4-core hardy [04:50] kde4-core (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 core modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB [04:51] Oh sweet it indexs ppas as well [04:51] You said The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. [04:51] Then I said it sucks but it's better than all the others [04:51] Right and you picked up the winston churchill and gave me back one [04:51] Then I said I could paraphrase W.C. [04:51] with the best of them [04:52] Ah. I see now. [04:52] I'm not amongst the best of them so I'm not going to start a quote war [04:52] Now with out heavy wikiquote help :) [04:52] ScottK: hahah, scribus was a pita [04:52] * ScottK gets it now.... === uga is now known as uga|away [04:52] I wonder if sabdfl is on Wikiquote yet [05:01] does that quote have anything to do with this picture -> http://static.kdenews.org/jr/mark-shuttleworth-linuxtag.jpg :p [05:38] * Jucato silently mumbles as nixternal ruined his day with that pic... [05:38] why? [05:38] looks sweet doesn't it? :) [05:38] pfft :P [05:38] or because I didn't sell you out on your fluffy bunny theme :p [05:39] hahah no that pic above ^^ :) [05:39] (the chicago skyline wallpaper is purty...) [05:40] nixternal: as for black and white oxygen icons, I'm not sure, is there still an Advanced tab in the Icons module in System Settings 4? [05:41] * nixternal looks [05:41] there's a "To Gray" effect [05:41] if it's still there in KDE 4 [05:41] yes there is [05:42] just set everything to gray? [05:42] hehe [05:42] :D [05:42] damn, I might have to give that a shot [05:42] I would have some al capone like kde 4 going on [05:42] lol :) [05:43] hm... we still need the PPA in hardy to install 4.0.1 right? [05:44] where can i found widget for weather in kde4? [05:46] should be in the extragear plasma package if I'm not mistaken (which I usually am...) [05:47] no in extragear [05:48] Hobbsee: needs improvement then, I guess :) [05:48] * apachelogger_ heads off to school [05:50] hm.... using Code::Blocks to create Qt4 apps... I just find that ironic :) [05:51] mi: not in extragear-plasma? try plasma-playground [05:53] where's the most up to date (but hopefully still accurate) packaging guide? still the wiki? [06:03] k'nite! [06:03] night [06:03] good night nixternal! [06:03] (you're early tonight) [06:16] plasma-playground can't be install because kde4base [06:17] What's the error? [06:17] version 3.94.0 [06:18] That's a version number, not an error. If that's what you have, I think (I'm not sure) you have to uninstall the pre-4.0 packages and then install 4.0 or 4.0.1. [06:18] Jucato: Do you know? [06:19] mi: you're apparently installing one of the alpha/beta versions of KDE 4 [06:19] no i install clean kde4 and update in 4.0.1 [06:20] Where does 3.94.0 come from then. [06:21] in synaptic say 0ubuntu1 [06:21] ah yeah... I think plasma-playground has a wrong/bad dependency.... [06:22] yes that is right [06:22] well I'm not really sure where the weather plasmoid is right now, so if it isn't in extragear-plasma... [06:22] lol never mind [06:24] my guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated... [06:24] mi: Are you on Hardy or using the Gutsy PPA? [06:24] in extragear i can't find then must be in playground then [06:25] ScottK2: yes [06:25] gutsy sorry [06:25] but in second pc i have hardy [06:25] OK. [06:26] But the problem is in the gutsy ppa? [06:26] yes [06:29] I don't think I can upload to that one. Sorry. [06:29] ; [06:32] i just try 2 install playground in hardy same thing kde4base is not be install :( [06:32] my guess is that it's still in playground, but our playground-plasma package hasn't been upated... [06:33] ok ...i use karamba then [07:21]