[00:03] <djzn> is Kubuntu 8.04 going to ship with KDE Four?
[00:05] <stdin> there will be a KDE4 and a KDE3 version
[00:05] <goppp> hey any use ubuntu, and gotten dual monitor to work
[00:07] <stdin> !dualhead
[00:07] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[00:08] <djzn> will the 3.x series be the "main" KDE in kubuntu?
[00:09] <stdin> CDs from shipit will have KDE4, upgrades from gutsy will stay KDE3 unless you decide to install KDE4 too
[00:10] <djzn> is KDE 4.0 a promise in terms of people may start looking for KDE instead of GNOME from now on?
[00:10] <djzn> and eventually a more closer interest on Kubuntu than Ubuntu?
[00:11] <stdin> KDE 4.0 is just the latest version of KDE, if you decide to use it instead of Gnome then great, if not then it's you're choice
[00:11] <djzn> i mean... i try try try to use GNOME, but it's a pain...
[00:11] <stdin> it wasn't created to directly compete with Gnome, but to be a better KDE
[00:12] <djzn> then I try try try to use KDE, it's another pain (too many menus, too many features, too many hundred different ways to achieve something)
[00:12] <Odd-rationale> djzn: Try just using a wm like *box
[00:13] <djzn> no, i think GNOME and KDE actually are the way to go, but it's funny how they keep "losing" it....
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> djzn: My personal favorite is fluxbox
[00:14] <djzn> there is no functionality in fluxbox
[00:15] <djzn> not interested in pressing million key shortcuts
[00:15] <ScorpKing> nite guys
[00:16] <the-erm> I have a usb drive, and I leave it plugged in all the time, however /dev/sd* doesn't show up unless I turn it off then turn it back on after a reboot.  Any ideas on how to fix this?
[00:17] <axel_> I've got a problem with Kile. When I try to compile a document with citations I get a warning saying that there was no .nls-file. Can anybody help me cofiguring Kile?
[00:17] <the-erm> I don't know what kile is to be honest.
[00:19] <etfb> Does Adept Updater have a log or history file anywhere?  I want to see what was updated recently.
[00:20] <the-erm> etfb: /var/log/apt/term.log ... I think
[00:21] <stdin> etfb: you can use the /var/log/dpkg.log too
[00:21] <NickPresta> the-erm, yep. I don't know if it logs Adept stuff there too (although it should).
[00:21] <etfb> Cool, thanks.  I'm running on my work Windows box right now (although using Erc in Emacs) so I'll fire up my Ubuntu laptop and check.  Thanks for the info.
[00:23] <Odd-rationale> How will I know when keep is done backing up?
[00:23] <maduser> its never done it just keeps on backing up:)
[00:24] <Odd-rationale> maduser: So what happens if I remove my ext hdd now?
[00:39] <hambobo> i need thewindows xp for grub menu because it got deleted when i installed 7.10
[00:40] <jhutchins> Odd-rationale: I suppose you would have to shut it down and unmount the drive.
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> !grub
[00:40] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[00:40] <Silouck> an application to save my webcam sessions?
[00:40] <Odd-rationale> jhutchins: Shutdown and remove the drive while it is off?
[00:41] <jhutchins> Odd-rationale: pronoun collision.  Shut down keep, un-mount drive, remove drive.
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> jhutchins: oh, ok.
[00:43] <Silouck> an application to save my webcam sessions?
[00:43] <jhutchins> Silouck: webcam sessions of/in what?
[00:45] <andy_> hey guys, just wondering where they widget styles are kept in kde?
[00:46] <Silouck> jhutchins: webcam from notebook
[00:46] <Silouck> i need an app that can save the webcma sessions independently of using an instanst messenger protocol
[00:46] <tmosxopoulos> I just installed kubuntu and I dont here the sound
[00:46] <tmosxopoulos> any sound
[00:47] <tmosxopoulos> can anyone help me
[00:47] <tmosxopoulos> ?
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> !alsa
[00:47] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[00:47] <tmosxopoulos> thanks
[00:47] <Odd-rationale> tmosxopoulos: Another thing you can try is to open konsole and type speaker-test
[00:48] <jhutchins> Silouck: You're not being very clear.  If you want to save video from IM session, you either need an IM client that supports it or a desktop capture program.
[00:51] <Silouck> jhutchins: no, not from a IM session, just from webcam
[00:58] <hambobo> how do i recover windows after ubuntu upgrade
[00:59] <NickPresta> hambobo, what do you mean? Windows doesn't show up in your operating system list at start up?
[00:59] <hambobo> NickPresta: excatly
[00:59] <doobeh> Quick question--  If I create a file, and then a symlink to that file.. Can I give the symlink different permissions
[01:00] <doobeh> e.g. if I say the original file can only be opened by bob
[01:00] <doobeh> but the symlink can be opened by sarah
[01:00] <doobeh> can sarah read that file?
[01:00] <stdin> doobeh: no
[01:00] <doobeh> thanks
[01:04] <Silouck> jhutchins: well was useless to ask you
[01:05] <freakyy> hi all. is anyone familiar with kontact and eGroupware?
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> !attitude | Silouck
[01:07] <ubotu> Silouck: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:07] <sputnick> bizarre, avec gutsy + compiz fusion je n'ai que 2 bureaux virtuels effectifs alors que ma barre de tache en affiche 8 oO   dans mes reglages j'en ias 4...
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: in other words, bob doesn't want sarah looking at his collection of adult photographs
[01:08] <sputnick> sorry, wrong channel
[01:13] <hambobo> i need the grub menu command for windows xp
[01:14] <hambobo> windows xp deleted from grub menu thats why
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> !grub
[01:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[01:14] <hambobo> i saw it no help..
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> that's got the other way 'round, but i dunno...
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> windows is installed on the first partition of your first hard drive?
[01:15] <NickPresta> hambobo, you can try running `sudo update-grub` in a Konsole and see if that adds an entry to your menu.lst (in a Konsole type: cat menu.lst. At the bottom, you shuold see mention of Windows)
[01:16] <hambobo> Daisuke_Ido: i dont know
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> nick's got the better idea
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i forgot about update-grub
[01:17] <gauda> hello friends, i've got a little question regarding ssh and auto-login on an ubuntu 7.10 machine. can someone help please?
[01:17] <NickPresta> You can manually add the Windows entry if you want to try. http://pastebin.ca/893310 (add that at the very bottom) but try `update-grub` first.
[01:17] <NickPresta> gauda, explain your question as best you can and if someone can help, they will help :)
[01:18] <gauda> i set up a single-sign-on to a server so i can log in very easy. i used the file /etc/pam.d/kdm-np and added the lines  @include pam-ssh-auth and  @include pam-ssh-session but i am not able to use the single-sign-on any longer :(
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> NickPresta: that was going to be my suggestion
[01:18] <gauda> as i understood, the file kdm-np is for non-graphical login: autologin
[01:24] <nick__> hi
[01:24] <gauda> anyone?
[01:24] <nick__> how do i upgrade to harryharon from commandline?
[01:25] <hambobo> why You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
[01:28] <nick__> how do i upgrade to harryharon from commandline?
[01:29] <stdin> nick__: 1) it's Hardy Heron, 2) don't
[01:30] <nick__> y not?
[01:30] <hambobo> how i get permission to write to grub
[01:30] <stdin> nick__: because it's development software and unstable
[01:30] <nick__> :"( ok i will have to find another way to help out
[01:31] <nick__> thanks for your help :P
[01:31] <stdin> hambobo: in what application?
[01:31] <hambobo> stdin: so i can put my new menu.lst in it
[01:32] <stdin> hambobo: depends what application, for kate you use "kdesu kate" for nano you'd use "sudo nano"
[01:32] <juan> how do i setup grub after the install? so that it updates as normal (my alt-cd refused to install to when i told it about my grub)
[01:32] <hambobo> stdin: never used sudo nano before
[01:32] <juan> hambobo: only root has permision
[01:33] <stdin> !sudo
[01:33] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[01:34] <juan> !grub
[01:34] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:36] <juan> id recomend eding grub in nano ( IMO, theres less to go wrong), unless kate has a highlight mode to help with grub
[01:36] <hambobo> i use sudo gedit
[01:37] <ubuntu> me ayudan con una entrada
[01:38] <gauda> i set up a single-sign-on to a server and it works really good. now i want to use the auto-login of kde (gnome should be very similar), so i activated it via the kdm configuration and used the file /etc/pam.d/kdm-np to add the lines  @include pam-ssh-auth and  @include pam-ssh-session but now i am not able to use the single-sign-on any longer :( the question is  if /etc/pam.d/kdm-np is the right file. as i understood it is read at non-graphical login. is auto
[01:41] <ubuntu> como crear un disco de rescate
[01:42] <juan> !es
[01:42] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:44] <hambobo> i have edited the sudo nano grub menu now wat
[01:48] <MikeT> I just installed a new theme for kde and the text in certain websites (only when view'd in firefox) is a light green, anyone know whats going on?
[01:49] <stdin> hambobo: save it "Ctrl-O" and exit "Ctrl-X", that's it
[01:51] <hambobo> stdin: thanks!!!!
[01:51] <hambobo> stdin: well i gotta go bye
[01:51] <stdin> bye
[02:00] <juan> can kopt=root=UUID for grub be copied from fstab or is it looking for a particular part of the HDD
[02:00] <stdin> juan: they use the same UUID yes
[02:04] <juan> thx
[02:08] <juan> if i give everybody the power to shutdown and select grub as the boot manager, can they choose to boot to different grub options, and more importnatly does this bypass my grub locks
[02:16] <stdin> juan: it won't bypass a grub password
[02:16] <juan> so if they select boot from cd it will still respect the 'lock ' on the option?
[02:17] <stdin> as long as the bios isn't set to boot from cd
[02:18] <snarkster> good evening
[02:18] <snarkster> does kde network manager work kde4
[02:19] <stdin> all the kde3 apps work in kde4 (as longs as they are installed)
[02:20] <snarkster> ok so I can install knetwork manager for kde3 and it will work?
[02:21] <tekteen> snarkster: yes
[02:21] <tekteen> snarkster: I use knetworkmanager (kde3) on kde4
[02:24] <juan> how much more ram does kde4 use? is it feasable to run it on 256?
[02:25] <biovore> not really
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ha...  haha...  HAHAHAHA...  actually, you can try it.  kde 4 is NOT polished enough for regular desktop use yet, however.
[02:27] <snarkster> brb
[02:28] <juan> biovore: what the real min spec about 512?
[02:28] <biovore> its a debug compile.. so its slow
[02:28] <biovore> probably 512 would work.. needs a good graphics card though..
[02:29] <biovore> has GL effects built in..
[02:29] <stdin> the binaries are stripped actually
[02:29] <biovore> oh they are..
[02:29] <biovore> cool
[02:40] <shinda> was wondering if anyone has gotten flash to work with konquerer in 7.10? I've been trying for last little while but anytime i visit a flash site, ndsiplugin crashes
[02:40] <shinda> I chceked out google, and it seems to be a common annoyance
[02:49] <fouad__> :)
[02:55] <mdshaw89> Hello!  Any pointers to knetworkmanager?  All of a sudden it stopped working!  It was working fine - now it doesn't.  I changed router settings, uninstalled/re-installed and nothing.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Uninstalling/reinstalling is 'windows thinking' :)
[02:57] <jeisma> could anyone tell me how to open beryl on startup?
[02:58] <Dr_willis> I would say check the forums for info on that mdshaw89  it may be some common issue
[02:58] <sub[t]rnl> mdshaw89➜ make sure there is nothing defined in /etc/network/interfaces/  you'll only want "auto eth1" or whatever your device is.  Otherwise knetworkmanager won't control it.
[02:58] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  beryl? or compiz-fusion?
[02:58] <jeisma> Dr_willis beryl
[02:59] <sub[t]rnl> mdshaw89➜ /etc/network/interfaces
[02:59] <mdshaw89> aaahhh
[02:59] <mdshaw89> my /etc/network/interfaces has all kind of junk in it
[02:59] <Dr_willis> jeisma,  Berly is basicially dead. You could lauch it from a script in .kde/Autostart i guess
[03:00] <mdshaw89> okay - so looks like I need to wipe it
[03:00] <NickPresta> jeisma, what's wrong with Compiz-Fusion?
[03:01] <jeisma> NickPresta i never tried compiz-fusion
[03:01] <Dr_willis> time to start :)
[03:01] <Dr_willis> !compiz | jeisma
[03:01] <ubotu> jeisma: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:01] <Dr_willis> !beryl
[03:01] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[03:01] <NickPresta> jeisma, I would ditch Beryl and give compiz-fusion a try. It has the core features that you like in Beryl and then some. It is also more stable and updated/developed
[03:02] <juan> jeisma keep a beryl install if possible, alot of Beryls features remain unported
[03:03] <NickPresta> juan, like what?
[03:03] <tyson_> does compiz fusion work well on gutsy kubunt?
[03:03] <NickPresta> tyson_, yep.
[03:03] <jeisma> NickPresta i followed your advice and i just removed beryl and goin onto compiz
[03:03] <juan> input redirection (a major set back for may thins), switching to top of cube
[03:04] <mdshaw89> Now my ath0 won't enable at all????
[03:04] <mdshaw89> device shows up in ifconfig
[03:05] <NickPresta> juan, okay. Fair enough (although there are more than enough faces on the cube that you don't need the top). I would hardly consider those "alot of Beryls features"
[03:05] <tyson_> should i get compiz or compiz-kde?
[03:06] <NickPresta> tyson_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion Read the section on Installing (for Kubuntu)
[03:06] <juan> the input redirection 'hack' allowed stuff alot functionality that wont hit compiz for along time, the tob/bottom cube makes a nice screenlock and is also a very nice way to see all your desktops at the same time/get to a desktop fast
[03:06] <jeisma> NickPresta how will i go about making this compiz start on startup?
[03:06] <juan> compiz-kde
[03:06] <juan> jeisma: do you use sessions?
[03:06] <NickPresta> jeisma, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion#head-f4aed4bfe7729780222e161618770913c6859869
[03:07] <jeisma> juan what do you mean sessions? i don't now what that means
[03:08] <sub[t]rnl> compiz-kde only contains a window decorator for compiz that looks like kwin.
[03:08] <jeisma> COuld someone tell me how to get rid of the tooltips that come up when you do a mouseover the windows or any icon on the bottom bar menu
[03:08] <juan> kde by default keeps all your aplications, so when u start up the programs you were using last time you shut down, also start, if you use session compiz gets saved
[03:08] <jeisma> including the taskbar, and hwen you hover over windows
[03:08] <jeisma> i guess i don't use session juan
[03:08] <sub[t]rnl> jeisma➜ right click, configure panal, appearance
[03:08] <sub[t]rnl> s/panal/panel
[03:08] <jeisma> juan cause when i had beryl, it wouldn't be up next time i restarted
[03:08] <NickPresta> jeisma, right click on the task bar > configure > Appearance > uncheck Enable Icon Mouseover Effects
[03:10] <juan> im updated a clean install i just go a question over if i want to update a library should i report this as a bug?
[03:10] <NickPresta> juan, I don't understand what you mean.
[03:11] <juan> i just installed kubuntu, ran sudo aptitude upgrade and got a conflict, does this need reporting or should i just solve it and ignore it
[03:12] <jeisma> NickPresta so i just followed those instructions from the site you gave and i still dont have compiz on here
[03:13] <NickPresta> juan, what happens when you run: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:13] <NickPresta> jeisma, have you install compiz-fusion?
[03:13] <jeisma> NickPresta and now none of my windows have headers?? help!
[03:13] <jeisma> NickPresta i ran the line it told me too
[03:14] <jeisma> sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra
[03:14] <jeisma> compizconfig-settings-manager emerald librsvg2-common
[03:14] <jeisma> that line
[03:14] <NickPresta> jeisma, try Alt+F2 and then type in: emerald --replace
[03:14] <jeisma> said no command found
[03:14] <jeisma> could not run the specified command i mean
[03:14] <Daisuke_Ido> well of course
[03:14] <Daisuke_Ido> it's part of the previous line
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> you don't have window decorations because you don't have a window decorator
[03:15] <jeisma> ok soo how do i get that?
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager emerald librsvg2-common
[03:15] <armadill0> jeisma, I just jumped in... try compiz --replace
[03:15] <jeisma> no i already did that
[03:15] <armadill0> jeisma, ok
[03:15] <juan> not sure ill try it once i diside which version of the file i need to keep
[03:16] <jeisma> armadill0 and hten everything shakes a bit, goes black for a sec and then that's it
[03:16] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: use the command i gave you
[03:16] <jeisma> armadaill0 oh i did it again and they're back..
[03:16] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido i already did that as aprt of the command above wen i installed everything
[03:16] <armadill0> jeisma, ok. so, that command works?
[03:16] <jeisma> armadill0 yup
[03:17] <armadill0> jeisma, great.  was that the only problem?
[03:17] <jeisma> armadill0 well i want to be able to do the same things as beryl how do i open compiz and do that?
[03:17] <armadill0> jeisma, you can control a great deal of compiz with ccsm
[03:18] <NickPresta> jeisma, the compiz setting manager is called ccsm.
[03:18] <armadill0> jeisma, you can run that command, "ccsm"
[03:18] <bmac2> I am installing kubuntu on a dell poweredge 2450 and can not get it to install even if I diable raid on it.  Anyone know of any documentation on how to getaroud the scsi problems of the poweredge controller?
[03:18] <armadill0> jeisma, and if you have it you can run "emerald-theme-manager"
[03:19] <jeisma> armadill0 and NickPresta i ran ccsm and it said could not run specific command
[03:19] <armadill0> jeisma, you may have some packages missing
[03:19] <NickPresta> jeisma, did you run: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-fusion-plugins-extra compizconfig-settings-manager emerald librsvg2-common
[03:19] <NickPresta> all one line
[03:20] <armadill0> jeisma, there is a good howto here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:20] <jeisma> yes and i got this at the end however:
[03:20] <jeisma> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:20] <jeisma>   emerald: Depends: libemeraldengine0 but it is not going to be installed
[03:20] <jeisma>            Depends: libwnck18 (>= 2.15.90) but it is not installable
[03:20] <jeisma> E: Broken packages
[03:20] <jeisma> armadill0 that's actually what i was advised to used :(
[03:20] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get -f install
[03:20] <NickPresta> jeisma, run: sudo apt-get -f install
[03:20] <jeisma> what does that do?
[03:20] <jeisma> and i just did that, now what?
[03:21] <sub[t]rnl> -f is fix broken dependencies
[03:21] <NickPresta> it will fix broken depends
[03:21] <NickPresta> and sub[t]rnl beats me again.. :)
[03:21] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[03:21] <jeisma> i just tried again and it didn't work?
[03:21]  * sub[t]rnl goes back to the corner
[03:21] <jeisma> or did i need need to try and install it again?
[03:22] <NickPresta> jeisma, after you run: sudo apt-get -f install, it should have resolved all the dependency issues and everything should be installed properly. does `ccsm` not work?
[03:22] <jeisma> NickPresta ccsm still does not work
[03:22] <jeisma> can i somehow just remove all of this and someone walk me thorugh it?
[03:23] <jeisma> or can someone just figure out what's wrong cause i have no idea
[03:23] <NickPresta> jeisma, the instructions really aren't harder than described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion#head-1447dbabe59744a63cad770f4d2143fb45cb4aad
[03:23] <jeisma> yeah i did all of that
[03:23] <jeisma> except that stuff before updating
[03:23] <jeisma> cause im on gutsy
[03:23] <jeisma> 7.10 is gutsy right?
[03:23] <NickPresta> yes
[03:23] <jeisma> so that's correct then?
[03:24] <NickPresta> jeisma, yep.
[03:24] <jeisma> so what's the problem?
[03:24] <jeisma> i tried installing those things again and it said they're broken packages again
[03:24] <NickPresta> jeisma, and you ran 'sudo apt-get -f install'?
[03:25] <jeisma> yup and i did that again
[03:25] <jeisma> what type of output should i get cause it said..
[03:25] <jeisma> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:25] <jeisma> should they all be 0?
[03:25] <NickPresta> jeisma, that should indicate that everything is working fine.
[03:25] <Creationist> Could someone please tell me how to disable TwinView in xorg.conf?
[03:26] <jeisma> NickPresta but i type in ccsm and nothing happens except it saying could not do specificed command or whatever
[03:26] <NickPresta> Creationist, you can do it easily in `nvidia-settings`
[03:27] <NickPresta> jeisma, run: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:27] <jeisma> i thought that was only got ubuntu?
[03:27] <Creationist> Creationist: How do I do that?  Setting it to use "Separate Monitor" instead of twinview doesn't add the necessary line to xorg.conf.  Disabling TwinView in xorg.conf is the only way I've found to fix my refresh rate problem.
[03:27] <jeisma> ok done
[03:27] <jeisma> now what?
[03:28] <NickPresta> jeisma, now you should be able to start 'ccsm'
[03:28] <jeisma> NickPresta well i typed it in, and then nothing happened this time
[03:28] <jeisma> NickPresta rather than it saying specificed command blah blah
[03:28] <Creationist> NickPresta: How do I do that?  Setting it to use "Separate Monitor" instead of twinview doesn't add the necessary line to xorg.conf.  Disabling TwinView in xorg.conf is the only way I've found to fix my refresh rate problem.
[03:29] <juan> Creationist: how is twinview working, through xorg o throguh proprietry drivers?
[03:29] <draik> Is anyone here familiar with PHLAK or know where I may be able to get assistance with the apps (ie: What each app does and how to use it).
[03:29] <NickPresta> Creationist, you go to the second list item (Display Configuration) and then click on Configure beside the Configuration option (which should be set to twinview). Set it to separate screens. Then make sure you save to X configuration file. Doesn't that work?
[03:29] <Creationist> juan: I have no idea...
[03:29] <Creationist> NickPresta: No, it's always been set to separate screen.
[03:29] <NickPresta> juan, AFAIK, twinview is unique to nvidia GPUs which support dual-display functionality.
[03:30] <Creationist> NickPresta: I remember disabling twinview in xorg.conf was the only thing that allowed me to use my monitor's native 60hz refresh rate...  Unless you know of a different way.
[03:30] <jeisma> NickPresta anything?
[03:30] <jeisma> anyone know why my compiz won't work?
[03:30] <jeisma> i think i may try beryl again and hit up
[03:30] <juan> they evolved into 1, wierd stuff happens with x sometimes its worth checking the setting for nvidia settings
[03:31] <juan> jeisma was beryl working fine?
[03:31] <Creationist> jeisma: What version of Kubuntu are you running and what do you mean by "won't work?"
[03:31] <NickPresta> Creationist, I don't know how to set the refresh rate. I let mine setup automatically (at 50Hz right now).
[03:31] <Creationist> NickPresta: Yeah, mine automatically set to 50 as well, but that makes things a bit fuzzy and hard on my eyes.
[03:31] <ubuzztu> is there a usb bootable kubuntu?
[03:32] <NickPresta> jeisma, so typing `ccsm` from the command line doesn't give any output but it doesn't open up?
[03:32] <jeisma> juan yeah it was working fine, i just wanted it to startup when i started the computer
[03:32] <jeisma> NickPresta correct
[03:32] <jeisma> Creationist 7.1 and i mean some things look different but i can't change anything
[03:32] <tyson_> is there a way to avoid having to type in my password to kwallet everytime i connect to the internet with my wifi?
[03:33] <NickPresta> Creationist, check out ftp://download.nvidia.com/solaris/1.0-8178/README/appendix-g.html It has details on setting rates and such with Twinview.
[03:33] <Creationist> jeisma: And you've install compizconfig-settings-manager?
[03:33] <jeisma> Creationist yes
[03:33] <ubuzztu> is there a usb bootable kubuntu?
[03:33] <jeisma> NickPresta if you have no more ideas, im just goin to try and get bac to beryl
[03:33] <NickPresta> !usb | ubuzztu
[03:33] <ubotu> ubuzztu: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[03:33] <jeisma> or anyoen else for that matter? :(
[03:34] <affan> !printer | affan
[03:34] <jeisma> now how do i get rid of compiz?
[03:35] <NickPresta> jeisma, that is your decision, of course, to go back to Beryl. Keep in mind that Beryl won't be updated again. But if it works for you, that's fine.
[03:35] <NickPresta> jeisma, just retype all those install lines you executed a few minutes ago and replace "install" with "remove"
[03:35] <jeisma> NickPresta yeah the only problem is i can't get it to work
[03:35] <Creationist> jeisma: I don't understand.  You say it works, but you can't change anything?
[03:35] <juan> you can have both installed that way you can switch to compiz and try and fix it if beryl fails
[03:36] <jeisma> Creationist nothing happens when i do ccsm on the command line
[03:36] <jeisma> Creationist i can't change anything myself but the only diff not is my window headers are transparent
[03:37] <juan> window boarders, try running emerald --replace
[03:37] <juan> ?
[03:37] <Creationist> jeisma: Does it report anything or just drop straight to the terminal again?
[03:39] <jeisma> this is what i get
[03:39] <jeisma> jeisma@jeisma-laptop:~$ ccsm
[03:39] <jeisma> Info: No sexy-python package found, don't worry it's optional.
[03:39] <jeisma> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:39] <jeisma>   File "/usr/bin/ccsm", line 45, in <module>
[03:39] <jeisma>     idle = ccm.IdleSettingsParser(context)
[03:39] <jeisma>   File "usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ccm/Utils.py", line 229, in __init__
[03:39] <jeisma>   File "usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ccm/Utils.py", line 228, in <lambda>
[03:39] <jeisma>   File "usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ccm/Utils.py", line 225, in FilterPlugin
[03:39] <jeisma> AttributeError: 'compizconfig.Plugin' object has no attribute 'Initialized'
[03:39] <jeisma> sorry guys
[03:39] <jeisma> and i did that in alt f2 and it just does nothing
[03:40] <Creationist> jeisma: Have you tried purging all compiz related packages and reinstalling?
[03:40] <jeisma> actually that's what i just did
[03:40] <jeisma> and i got that
[03:40] <jeisma> but there are some extra window effects i've noticed
[03:40] <jeisma> i didn't do that myself
[03:41] <jeisma> juan NickPresta should i be expecting some window to show up when i do ccsm?
[03:41] <jeisma> i go to settings > compiz settings manager and nothing comes up
[03:43] <jeisma> but i get this
[03:43] <jeisma> compizconfig-settings-manager is already the newest version.
[03:43] <juan> hmm, i dont have compiz atm clean install but all i can think is putting the menu option into a dialog and clicking run in terminal (just incase it isnt running ccsm but the other tool they made)
[03:43] <jeisma> when i try and install that
[03:43] <lokem> hi folks, is the wiki entry on compizfusion (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion) still good on 7.10?
[03:43] <jeisma> lokem im actually having a problem with it right now, and they told me to use that
[03:44] <jeisma> so if that works for you, tell me all exactly you did
[03:44] <lokem> jeisma: sure thing.  what configuration are u using?
[03:44] <jeisma> what do you mean? kub7.1
[03:44] <lokem> jeisma: uh.. hardware wise :)
[03:45] <jeisma> lokem sorry gateway is all i know, 512mb of ram
[03:45] <jeisma> and not that great of a processor
[03:45] <lokem> jeisma: cool.  instalilng it now.  i'm using a latitude d630.
[03:46] <jeisma> lokem ok cool tell me how it goes, i just can't manage to open the sttings manager
[03:46] <NickPresta> jeisma, did you upgrade your Gutsy install from Feisty? Do you have any third party repositories (Treviño's, etc)?
[03:47] <jeisma> NickPresta i installed it from cd
[03:47] <NickPresta> jeisma, so this is a fresh Gutsy install?
[03:47] <jeisma> NickPresta yes
[03:47] <NickPresta> Can you post the output of `dpkg -l | grep compiz` to a pastebin
[03:47] <NickPresta> !pastebin
[03:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:49] <lokem> jeisma: odd... i can't even do a compiz --replace
[03:49] <juan> NickPresta: aptitude dist-upgrade wont reproduce the bug as its fixed now, i dont think im going to report it as its unfixable and unimportant
[03:49] <NickPresta> juan, okay
[03:49] <jeisma> NicPresta http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54955/
[03:49] <juan> thx for all the help NickPrest & stdin
[03:50] <jeisma> lokem i had that trouble at beginning too.. and then it just ended up working in a min
[03:50] <lokem> jeisma: ahh... i know why.  Xgl is not present... shesh.
[03:51] <NickPresta> jeisma, I found the problem (I think). You have conflicting versions. Your python-compizconfig is 0.5.2 (good) but your compizconfig-settings-manager is 0.6.99 (bad).
[03:51] <NickPresta> jeisma, run this: sudo apt-get remove compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig
[03:51] <jeisma> ok done NickPresta
[03:52] <jeisma> now what?
[03:52] <NickPresta> jeisma, now, do this: sudo apt-get -V install compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig
[03:52] <NickPresta> jeisma, paste the output of that (don't install) to a pastebin
[03:53] <jeisma> NickPresta you want the entire output? it's lengthy
[03:53] <NickPresta> jeisma, in a pastebin, sure
[03:53] <jeisma> ohh in apastebin ok
[03:53] <lokem> jeisma: eesh.... xserver-xgl is REALLY slow.
[03:53] <jeisma> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54957/ NickPresta
[03:54] <jeisma> lokem ha yeah how is it coming along for you?
[03:54] <lokem> jeisma:
[03:54] <lokem> jeisma: got it working.  but it's way too slow.
[03:54] <NickPresta> jeisma, have you added any repositories to your sources.list? Can you pastebin the output of `cat /etc/apt/sources.list`?
[03:54] <jeisma> lokem at least you got it working
[03:55] <lokem> jeisma: true :P
[03:55] <jeisma> NickPresta http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54958/
[03:55] <jeisma> lokem you had no trouble with your settings manager?
[03:56] <NickPresta> jeisma, do you notice anything funny? Comment out (put a # infront of the line) the last find. The one that looks like: deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy
[03:57] <NickPresta> jeisma, so type in: `kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list`. and then comment out the last line, save the file and close Kate.
[03:57] <jeisma> NickPresta i just put # in front?
[03:58] <NickPresta> jeisma, yep. # deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb feisty eyecandy
[03:58] <jeisma> NickPresta now what?
[03:58] <NickPresta> jeisma, run this: sudo apt-get remove compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig
[03:59] <jeisma> now what
[03:59] <NickPresta> jeisma, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -V install compizconfig-settings-manager python-compizconfig
[03:59] <NickPresta> you should notice that the versions for the two packages are now the same.
[04:00] <jeisma> THEY ARE
[04:00] <jeisma> and now..
[04:00] <NickPresta> jeisma, good. Things should work fine now.
[04:00] <NickPresta> run ccsm and enjoy
[04:00] <jeisma> I LOVE YOU
[04:00] <jeisma> Haha
[04:00] <NickPresta> you added a line to your sources.list for Feisty so you were installing an old version of cssm but the backend was a different version
[04:00] <NickPresta> in a sense
[04:00] <tekstacy> Do I NEED grub if I only have one os on the system?
[04:01] <jeisma> NickPresta now how do i go about using all tehse effect on compiz?
[04:01] <jeisma> such as cube gears..
[04:01] <NickPresta> jeisma, the setting manager is fairly self explanatory. Just enable the effect and check out the key bindings for them. Then try them out
[04:02] <jeisma> where do you find the key bindings?
[04:02] <NickPresta> tekstacy, I don't know if you _need_ GRUB but if you don't want to hit enter/wait every time, you can change the default timeout to 1 second (so you don't notice the GRUB menu)
[04:03] <NickPresta> jeisma, if the plugin has a key binding, you can usually find an Action tab in the effect window.
[04:03] <tekstacy> Oh, duh, forgot that. Thanks! :)
[04:03] <NickPresta> tekstacy, do you know how to do that?
[04:04] <tekstacy> yeah, done it a few times. Guess I just had a brain freeze
[04:04] <NickPresta> tekstacy, ah okay. :)
[04:04] <NickPresta> and if no one else has any other pressing matters, I'm going to sleep. Goodnight all.
[04:05] <tekstacy> I'm building a system to use remaster-sys to make a cool live cd
[04:05] <jeisma> NickPresta ok last question, i just want to get the desktop cube to work how do i do that? it says ctrl alt down and nothing ahppens
[04:06] <jeisma> anyone know what Super means?
[04:06] <jeisma> as a key
[04:06] <NickPresta> jeisma, you actually want the Rotate Cube plugin. Check it off, press "control" and "alt" and left click yourmouse button and move left/right/whatever
[04:07] <NickPresta> jeisma, and the Super key is usually the Windows Key (between Control and Alt on some keyboards)
[04:07] <jeisma> NickPresta how come it's not a cube though? its just a plane rotating
[04:08] <NickPresta> jeisma, do you have the Desktop Cube plugin enabled or the Rotate Cube plugin enabled?
[04:08] <jeisma> i think both actually
[04:08] <NickPresta> jeisma, good.
[04:08] <NickPresta> jeisma, if you press Control+Alt+Down, it unfolds. If you press Control+Alt+Left Mouse click and move the mouse, it is a cube.
[04:10] <jeisma> NickPresta when i do down it down't do anything
[04:10] <NickPresta> jeisma, hmm. you will just have to play with it. You can join #compiz-fusion (/join #compiz-fusion) and ask in there. They can help you.
[04:10] <jeisma> ok thanks
[04:11] <jeisma> anyone know how i can mae my terminal translucent?
[04:13] <tyson_> its in the options
[04:13] <tyson_> schema i think
[04:14] <jeisma> tyson_ where is that?
[04:14] <tyson_> settings menu of kconsole (which i am assuming you are using)
[04:14] <adrock358> hey has anyone watched LOST online with ubuntu?
[04:15] <adrock358> the media player is only for windows
[04:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> well then, probably not.
[04:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> he just came in to impart that nice little pearl of wisdom
[04:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> how lovely
[04:17] <tyson_> to change virtual desktops, all i need to do is click the numbered square near the task tray, yes?
[04:18] <boggystudios> is there a tool to check the info on a video file?  for example I need to know what codec it uses, bitrate, etc.
[04:22] <biovore> boggystudios: try file <filename>
[04:23] <biovore> also mplayer on the command line will tell you all that information..
[04:31] <tyson_> anyone here using compiz?
[04:59] <hgarcia> hey guys, I got a question, I am a newbie to compiling source files, my question is what does this mean "export PATH="$prefix/bin:$PATH"
[05:01] <nyp4life> how do i get kde4 on my machine? im running 7.10
[05:03] <nyp4life> i tried apt-get install kde4 and got: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54959/
[05:04] <tyson_> can plasma run on kde 3.whatevercomeswithgutsy?
[05:07] <hydrogen> no
[05:10] <kenalex> hello
[05:13] <kenalex> hello
[05:13] <kenalex> can kde work with compiz ?
[05:14] <sub[t]rnl> yes
[05:15] <kenalex> cool
[05:28] <boggystudios> How do I force ffmpeg to us mp3 as the audio codec?
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> with the -acodec option?
[05:30] <sub[t]rnl> i.e. -acodec libmp3lame
[05:31] <boggystudios> it won't take libmp3lame
[05:32] <sub[t]rnl> whats the error?
[05:33] <boggystudios> it just says "Unknown encoder 'libmp3lame'"
[05:33] <sub[t]rnl> ah, you need to install it then
[05:34] <sherl0k> the ffmpeg compile in ubuntu does not have mp3 support built in i believe
[05:34] <sherl0k> you need to compile ffmpeg manually and add in the codecs, it's all in the readme
[05:35] <boggystudios> yes this is true but I have already compiled ffmpeg with mp3 support
[05:36] <Jucato> is lame installed?
[05:36] <boggystudios> yes
[05:36] <Jucato> how about plain -acodec mp3?
[05:37] <boggystudios> that was the first one I tried, lol
[05:37] <Jucato> hm...
[05:38] <sub[t]rnl> maybe check what you codecs you have installed
[05:38] <sub[t]rnl> if you have mencoder, do 	mencoder -oac help
[05:38] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[05:38] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:39] <Jucato> not sure if "ffmpeg -formats" returns the currently supported formats, or all possible supported formats
[05:39] <boggystudios> I know that lame is installed because when I convert video to the ,flv format it uses mp3 for the audio by default
[05:40] <tekstacy_> !apt-fix
[05:40] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:41] <Jucato> boggystudios: hm... but you're not sure if you installed it? :)
[05:41] <Jucato> (just checking)
[05:42] <boggystudios> I am 100% sure that ffmpeg is compiled with mp3 support
[05:42] <dkettman>  I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 and am having a problem with sound after hibernation. I have done alot of scouring of the web recently, and I thought I saw something about a fix in an upcoming release of the kernel. Is this release out yet?
[05:43] <Daisuke_Ido> why did you compile it rather than just install it from the repos
[05:44] <freakyy> how to save sessions in kde4?
[05:47] <purpleposeidon> uh oh, somehow /boot/grub got removed
[05:50] <mrdigital> when is kde5 coming?
[05:51] <Phoenix92x> hi, I'm trying to mount a usb hard drive that worked perfectly well until I rebooted. It's ext3 formatted. I try to mount it with mount -t ext3 /dev/sdd1 /home/phoenix/mnt/nike but it tells me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on sdd1" and checking dmesg | tail gives me "ext3 no journal on filesystem on sdd1". I've done fsck /dev/sdd1 but it hasn't seemed to help. If someone could help me with this I'd really appreciate it, I have a lot of s
[05:51] <Phoenix92x> tuff on the drive
[05:53] <purpleposeidon> Phoenix92x: If you can, you should probably back it up
[05:54] <Phoenix92x> purpleposeidon, trying to
[06:05] <coolbhavi>  How to install Urban terror on kubuntu gutsy 64 bit?
[06:14] <coolbhavi> anyone listening?
[06:15] <aldaek> what makes kubuntu different than ubuntu?
[06:15] <aldaek> other than kde vs gnome?
[06:16] <sub[t]rnl> aldaek➜ nothing
[06:17] <coolbhavi> How to install Urban terror on kubuntu gutsy 64 bit?
[06:17] <sub[t]rnl> purpleposeidon➜ have you tried re-installing grub from within the grub shell? or with grub-install?
[06:17] <purpleposeidon> sub[t]rnl: I fixed everything, it's happy now, just worrisome
[06:18] <sub[t]rnl> what did you use to fix it? just curious
[06:18] <aldaek> thanks.
[06:20] <sub[t]rnl> coolbhavi➜ what exactly is the trouble?
[06:21] <coolbhavi> I am not able to install urban terror on kubuntu gutsy 64 bit
[06:21] <sub[t]rnl> anything specific as to why your not able to install it?
[06:22] <coolbhavi> I followed instructions on Ubuntu Guide but not able to install please help
[06:23] <sub[t]rnl> we just need some more information, like why you are not able to install.  Something specific.
[06:24] <coolbhavi> Its given that its i386 which means 32 bit right?
[06:24] <sub[t]rnl> thats the arch yeah.  Have you downloaded and unzipped the game?
[06:25] <coolbhavi> yes
[06:25] <sub[t]rnl> your going to want to run the ioUrbanTerror.x86_64 installer
[06:25] <sub[t]rnl> not the i386 one
[06:25] <coolbhavi> OK
[06:26] <coolbhavi> Do I have to download it seperately?
[06:26] <sub[t]rnl> it should be in the .zip
[06:26] <coolbhavi> OK
[06:27] <sub[t]rnl> make sure its executable and run it. 	chmod  755 ioUrbanTerror.x86_64 && ./ioUrbanTerror.x86_64
[06:27] <chupie> i'm trying to access my mp3 player, its a Philips GoGear SA6087, its a MTP device w/ windows, how can i access it?
[06:27] <coolbhavi> OK thanks
[06:29] <sub[t]rnl> chupie➜ have you looked into GOLB and openGoGear
[06:30] <chupie> no, i haven't
[06:31] <sub[t]rnl> look into those, MTP isn't supported in linux natively, but there are packages to get it supported
[06:31] <chupie> ah, k
[06:32] <coolbhavi> I have a geforce 4 card
[06:32] <sub[t]rnl> libmtp/mtpfs for support
[06:32] <coolbhavi> does it run compiz?
[06:32] <holycow> it will
[06:32] <coolbhavi> with 512MB ram 3 ghz PD
[06:33] <holycow> no
[06:33] <holycow> i have a umpc
[06:33] <holycow> 800mhz cpu that scales down to 600mhz
[06:33] <holycow> generic intel video acceleration
[06:33] <holycow> 1 gig ram
[06:33] <holycow> compiz is super fast on it
[06:33] <coolbhavi> OK
[06:33] <coolbhavi> :)
[06:33] <holycow> no glitches, drag or tare (as there shouldun't be with offscreen compositing anyway)
[06:33] <neville> Because, even though it's dodgey at heart, it's very lite
[06:34] <coolbhavi> OK
[06:35] <holycow> they really have done an amazing job at showing just what can be done with offscreen compositing with properly accelerated ogl hardware
[06:39] <neville> It's amazing on the whole, isn't it?
[06:40] <holycow> yeah i'm really enjoying the creativity of the whole thing.  the plugins are really amazing too
[06:40] <holycow> however as of kde4, warts and all, i'm sold on kwin and where its going
[06:41] <holycow> i think the kde level integration is the right way to do that imho
[06:42] <neville> And, it can only get better, which gets me jumpy, and makes me hate time for moving so slowly
[06:43] <holycow> lol!
[06:43] <holycow> i'm just so jazzed by the whole kde infrastructure after 4
[06:43] <neville> Hey, maybe that means we should find some direction in our lives, before we start living only for each release of KDE :P
[06:44] <holycow> with all the plasma things happening ... if someone were to say sell a flash like ide for creating plasma widgets, kwin animations, etc, i would pay lots of money for it
[06:44] <neville> Oh yeah, I'd do the same, but I'd also have to pay for some creativity -_-v
[06:45] <holycow> lol
[06:45] <holycow> well i wish i was better with code
[06:46] <holycow> neville: did you know plasma widgets can be publised on the web?
[06:46] <holycow> i have no idea how this would work but i presume they would be flashlike in nature as they use a plugin on ff of some sort
[06:46] <holycow> plasma is supposed to be able to natively handle osx widgets too
[06:50] <jany> ú
[07:57] <guardian> hi
[07:57] <jussi01> !hi
[07:57] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:57] <guardian> is it known that the installer on hardy alpha 4 doesn't work
[07:58] <jussi01> guardian: #ubuntu+1 for all hardy issues
[08:03] <guardian> as well as for kubuntu issues ?
[08:05] <jussi01> guardian: correct. everything hardy goes there
[08:05] <guardian> thx
[08:08] <rockets> Anybody here running Kubuntu x64 on the desktop and if so how usable are you finding it?
[08:11] <voicu> can someone help me with a router configured with iptables? it's working on some machines and it doesn't on others
[08:11] <patrick_> Hallo! I have a major konqueror problem: Everytime I surf to a https site konqueror asks me where I want to save the site instead of displaying it... WHAT IS WRONG?!
[08:11] <voicu> shall i post the script on a pastebin?
[08:12] <voicu> patrick_: your dependencies are wrong, open control center and go at kde components->file associations
[08:14] <patrick_> voicu: and what do I have to change there?
[08:14] <voicu> type html in the filter box above
[08:15] <voicu> you will get at least 2 results (at least on my comp): application: xhtml+xml and text: html
[08:15] <patrick_> voicu: konqueror is at top. And http works. However all https sites... are wrong
[08:16] <voicu> hmm, then it could be a kio slave problem
[08:17] <voicu> patrick_: try asking in #kde
[08:18] <patrick_> voicu: thanks I'll try there
[08:18] <Jucato> er...
[08:19] <Jucato> hm.. he didnt go into #kde though...
[08:19] <voicu> lol
[08:19]  * Jucato was about to ask whether his Embedding settings for those filetypes are correct... as well as the left-click action
[08:20] <voicu> yeah, good point
[08:20] <Jucato> then there's the Component Chooser settings "Open http and https URLs"...
[08:29] <guardian> if i install the kubuntu kde 4 live cd on my hdd, will it update and match 8.04 ?
[08:40] <tomahasamoot> how can I re-start a process that I stopped in bash using ctrl-z?
[08:40] <emilsedgh> fg
[08:41] <tomahasamoot> thanks
[08:41] <emilsedgh> youre not restarting that, youre bringing it to front, but i never was stopped, like windows in graphical system, when you minimize, they dont stop
[08:42] <emilsedgh> s/i/it
[08:42] <tomahasamoot> fg: usage: fg [job_spec]   does this want a PID?
[08:43] <emilsedgh> nah
[08:43] <emilsedgh> not pid
[08:43] <emilsedgh> when you pressed ctrl+z it gives you a number
[08:43] <emilsedgh> s/gives/gived
[08:44] <tomahasamoot> so it's 'fg 1'
[08:44] <tomahasamoot> thanks for the help
[08:48] <Makuseru> what do i need installed to install GNOME programs?
[08:52] <Makuseru> !visualboyadvance
[08:53] <psi_> hi all
[08:54] <psi_>  have just installed kubuntu 7.10 and there was a load of updates so i let it get on with them half way through it crashed and now the update program doesnt run and i can't launch package manager as it says database in use even after a reboot
[08:55] <rockets> w00t w00t kubuntu
[08:56] <rockets> had to install the x64 version, my i386 version got scratched somehow
[08:56] <psi_> rockets: good luck with flash player
[08:57] <rockets> psi_: flash player works jsut fine under firefox
[08:57] <rockets> psi_: nspluginwrapper
[08:57] <psi_> i could never get the 64 bit version to work
[08:57] <miki> i can't configure monitor and display in hardy ?
[08:57] <rockets> there is no 64 bit flash player
[08:57] <psi_> thats cheating
[08:57] <rockets> thats so not cheating.
[08:57] <rockets> anyway i dont care about flash player
[08:57] <rockets> im only using linux for work
[08:58] <psi_> fair enough
[08:58] <rockets> i dont need flash player to set up an exchange server
[08:58] <psi_> rockets: u any good with kubuntu
[08:58] <rockets> psi_: not really. ive been running ubuntu for like a year and just switched now to kubuntu
[08:58] <psi_> fair enough
[08:58] <rockets> so far, it reminds me of windows 3.1 :-P
[08:58] <c1|freaky> where are the backgrounds usually located? (desktop background pictures i meanb)
[08:59] <psi_> brb going to try a reboot again
[08:59] <Fleck> after update nvidia restriced drivers ar not installed - i'm in console
[08:59] <Fleck> can i set drivers up in konsole?
[08:59] <psi_> Fleck: yes if u download the nvifia drivers from there site
[09:01] <Fleck> psi_ :D isn't there package?
[09:02] <psi_> probably summit like apt-get what ever but the nvidia drivers have always worked for mwe
[09:03] <Tm_T> Fleck: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:04] <Fleck> thx Tm_T :)
[09:04] <Tm_T> psi_: we cannot support other than "our packages" ;)
[09:05] <neville> When I start a program via the command line, is there a way I can point that program to another xserver, so that when it starts, it'll start loading/running on the other display?
[09:06] <emilsedgh> there is a way that i cant remember :(
[09:06] <llutz> neville: set DISPLAY correctly
[09:07] <neville> llutz sorry if I sound stupid, but I don't quite understand what you mean >.>
[09:07] <llutz> you need to set the env-variable DISPLAY
[09:07] <jason> fleck: here is a guide to reinstall the nvidia drivers after an update http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=685196
[09:08] <Fleck> thanks jason - reading ;))
[09:08] <neville> llutz would you be able to point me in the right direction with that? I have a rough idea of what that means, but no idea about how to apply it
[09:11] <llutz> neville: to use your 1st local running xserver you need to set "DISPLAY=:0", the 2nd would be "DISPLAY=:1" and so on. Remote servers are "DISPLAY=machinename:0" etc
[09:11] <llutz> neville: and of course you must have the right to open apps there (xauthority)
[09:11] <neville> llutz: Okay, thanks alot for the help =]
[09:12] <neville> Yeah, that's taken care of, it was just getting it setup that was the problem
[09:25] <psi_> hi again has any one got a link to a web page that has a list of usefull repositories?
[09:27] <Sbucatone> :) well where is location for trash ?
[09:27] <Sbucatone> is in my home ?
[09:27] <psi_> ??
[09:28] <Sbucatone> i need of trash's path
[09:29] <_Angelus_> guys
[09:29] <_Angelus_> i made a website with apache2
[09:30] <_Angelus_> and its giving me a permision error when i go to my website, its saying that i dont have permision to go to /
[09:30] <_Angelus_> the website is in /home/angelus/public_html
[09:30] <Fleck> _Angelus_ add index.html
[09:31] <_Angelus_> i have it :/
[09:31] <Fleck> then make it readable by other users
[09:36] <_Angelus_> Fleck: what user and group should my public_html folder be?
[09:36] <Fleck> your - but theres is third - other
[09:36] <Fleck> user group and other
[09:39] <vertigo_> hi all! Please help me to write console command or bash script: I have the path  /home/user/, I need to copy all files from this directory and all sub-directories (without dirnames only files) to /home/user2??
[09:39] <Sbucatone> mm i have my trash icons :) but it too short , but i selected 256 pixel icons why is so short ?
[09:41] <Sbucatone> mm sorry i have made a new link to my trash in my desktop, and i have selected damned icons at 256 pixel but it look like 64 pixel
[09:41] <Sbucatone> whhy ?
[09:44] <se7en_> how do i get my wifi card working
[09:46] <Sbucatone> se7en_: wifi is a nightmare if you have a bad card :)
[09:46] <Sbucatone> se7en_: which cad do you have ?
[09:46] <Sbucatone> usb or pci ?
[09:47] <Sbucatone> *card
[09:49] <se7en_> Sbucatone: pci Intel wireless 4965
[09:49] <Sbucatone> se7en_: well is a intel it's a luck  plz iwconfig in a terminal use paste bin  to post results
[09:49] <Sbucatone> !paste
[09:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:52] <Sbucatone> se7en_: are you alive ?
[09:52] <Fleck> ok got drivers - nvdia.ko nvidia_legacy.ko and nvidia_new.ko - i need new, but kubuntu loads on starup nvidia.ko :/
[09:52] <Fleck> why is that?
[09:53] <Sbucatone> Fleck: maybe because is not loaded in modules check it out
[09:53] <Fleck> i should add nvidia_new in /etc/modules ?
[09:54] <Sbucatone> Fleck: i am not sure , but for my experience, i will try to load in modules . BUT I AM NOT SURE i have not nvidia
[09:54] <Fleck> ok i will try
[09:54] <Fleck> thx
[09:57] <Fleck> Sbucatone no luck - still nvidia ;) not nvidia_new
[09:58] <Fleck> i will try to blacklist nvidia
[09:59] <Sbucatone> Fleck: have you edited xorg ?
[10:00] <Fleck> it's nothing about xorg
[10:00] <Fleck> just wrong module
[10:00] <Sbucatone> ok perferct
[10:00] <Fleck> nvidia is old version - nvidia_new is new one - for my xorg glx version
[10:00] <Fleck> :)
[10:01] <Fleck> and when old loads - xorg dosn't work because of version missmatch
[10:01] <Sbucatone> Fleck: have you followen some tutorial ? wiki ?
[10:01] <Fleck> nope
[10:01] <Sbucatone> xD
[10:01] <Sbucatone> well i think you must consider to follow someone
[10:01] <Fleck> heh
[10:01] <Makuseru> hi, whenever i try to start VisualBoyAdvance-gtk it says "bash: visualboyadvance-gtk: command not found" but i know i have it installed because when i try to install it again i get "
[10:01] <Makuseru> visualboyadvance-gtk is already the newest version."
[10:01] <Fleck> i blacklisted nvidia and now nvidia_new is loaded :)
[10:02] <Makuseru> what could stop this from opening?
[10:02] <yolnizzle> !games
[10:02] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[10:02] <Makuseru> nothing on it there
[10:03] <jason> makuseru, are you using ./visualboyadvance-gtk
[10:03] <Sbucatone> Fleck: :) well
[10:03] <yolnizzle> please can some one give me some repo codes to get games on a kubuntu
[10:03] <Sbucatone> Fleck: to know, but you have loaded in modules ? right ?
[10:03] <Makuseru> jason: no, im not
[10:04] <Sbucatone> Fleck: then blacklisted older module right ?
[10:04] <jason> yolnizzle, the games package is called kde-games, so you can sudo apt-get install kde-games, if that's what you're looking for
[10:04] <Fleck> Sbucatone yep i have in /etc/modules too - dunno if that works but ;)
[10:04] <Fleck> Sbucatone blacklist nvidia in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[10:04] <Sbucatone> Fleck: well done :)
[10:04] <Fleck> and new module is called nvidia_new
[10:05] <Fleck> modprobe nvidia is old
[10:05] <Fleck> modprobe nvidia_new is new one
[10:05] <Sbucatone> Fleck: yes i know it was because i have intel card and so it's a bit better supported
[10:05] <Sbucatone> and i was no sure
[10:05] <jason> makusaru, well, try it
[10:05] <Makuseru> jason: bash: ./visualboyadvance-gtk: No such file or directory
[10:05] <xst> Are there made any effort at all to fix bug #181453? It doesn't seem so even though it is a fairly important bug. Can anyone explain this?
[10:05] <yolnizzle> jason, my link is bad is the no code like [ apt-get dosbox ] for example
[10:07] <jason> yolnizzle, i'm not sure what you mean
[10:08] <yolnizzle> jason, my link is bad is there no code i could use to get a specific game without downloadin the whole kde pack
[10:10] <SlimeyPete> xst: perhaps best to ask in #kubuntu+1 or #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu-bugs
[10:10] <SlimeyPete> erm
[10:11] <SlimeyPete> !hardy
[10:11] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[10:11] <SlimeyPete> just #ubuntu+1 then I guess
[10:12] <jason> yonizzle, I don't think that's possible with the kde package
[10:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have a computer with an amd64 processor.  I was wondering if I should install the 64bit version of kubuntu or the 32bit.  What are the differences and what would be the pro's and con's of either or?
[10:20] <SlimeyPete> 64bit allows you to use more than 3GB of RAM.
[10:20] <SlimeyPete> and there's a slight performance increase, but it's not generally noticable.
[10:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> well, I currently have only 2 GB on it. so that isn't a problem.
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> 64bit has slightly worse software support (e.g. flash), but there are workarounds for this
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> I'd go with 32bit if I were you, though 64bit will still be OK.
[10:21] <gundam_rx78nt1> SlimeyPete: where can I get those workarounds so I can read them and make a sound decision?
[10:22] <SlimeyPete> gundam_rx78nt1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202537
[10:22] <SlimeyPete> you have to install and run 32-bit firefox, then install the flash plugin in that.
[10:23] <SlimeyPete> (as far as I understand it)
[10:24] <gundam_rx78nt1> Thanks.  Now I do have one complaint:why are things broken from Fiesty to Gutsy?  KDM theme manager, no able to change the resolution anything higher than 640x480 in virtual terminals (CTRL+ALT+F[1-6]), etc?
[10:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> why break something that isn't broken?
[10:26] <sebastian^> hi @ all
[10:26] <SlimeyPete> gundam_rx78nt1: no idea about that, sorry - I'm not a developer.
[10:27] <SlimeyPete> sebastian^: hi.
[10:27] <val0> anyone here uses mutt as email client?
[10:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> well, I am bothered that everything on my system was working fine until the upgrade to Gutsy.
[10:29] <guardian> if i install the kubuntu kde 4 live cd on my hdd, will it update and match 8.04 ?
[10:29] <DreadKnight> guardian: there isn't a kubuntu kde4 live cd, perhaps in about a week...
[10:29] <guardian> there is
[10:30] <DreadKnight> but yep, it should match ...
[10:30] <DreadKnight> guardian: since when?
[10:30] <guardian> since the release
[10:30] <guardian> i'm referring to http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[10:30] <DreadKnight> oh
[10:31] <DreadKnight> i was thinking of hardy
[10:31] <DreadKnight> :>
[10:31] <guardian> ah yeah well i tried hardy but indeed it's not kde4
[10:32] <DreadKnight> well guardian, i say you wait a week for that one... i'm doing so myself
[10:32] <guardian> ok
[10:33] <yolnizzle> !kde-game
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-game - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <psi_> any one got a clue how to install kde 4
[10:36] <yolnizzle> the kde-games apt-get says package not found
[10:37] <SlimeyPete> !kde4
[10:37] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[10:37] <phobos_> elo
[10:37] <phobos_> ma ktos KDE 4
[10:37] <phobos_> ??
[10:38] <inter_> Народ. Кто-нибудь помочь может с пхп?
[10:38] <phobos_> aha wszytstkorozumiem
[10:38] <phobos_> hehe
[10:38] <phobos_> :D
[10:43] <apparle> how to use apt-zip
[10:43] <psi_> !crap
[10:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:43] <psi_> !thanks
[10:43] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[10:43] <psi_> !ok
[10:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <kiefer> Please dont abuse the bot :)
[10:49] <jussi01> !nickspam > gladier
[10:50] <gladier> other than the fact that nobody has said anything for 10 mins
[10:55] <kniolet> man just updated to kde 4.0.1 from 4.0.0 and now kontact doesnt start :-/
[10:57] <jussi01> kniolet: kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[10:57] <kniolet> ah thanks didnt know that one existed :-)
[11:10] <c0rle0n3> hi there,
[11:10] <apparle> hi
[11:10] <c0rle0n3> does anyone knows where I can download php5.2.5 exec file for kubuntu?
[11:11] <c0rle0n3> I'm get serious problem here with default version, which is php5.2.1
[11:11] <c0rle0n3> I tryed by apt-get update, but still with 5.2.1
[11:13] <Nightrose> hi - I don´t get the login screen any longer when booting, just a console login - can someone help me find the problem - I am out of ideas
[11:15] <c0rle0n3> Nightrose: do you know where can I download php5 for kubuntu?
[11:15] <Nightrose> nope
[11:15] <c0rle0n3> there is no packages.kubuntu.org
[11:16] <apparle> c0rle0n3: All the packages for all the versions of ubuntu (Kubuntu,Xubuntu etc) are there at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:17] <apparle> c0rle0n3: Just don't highlight people if you see them. Ask the question and anybody who knows the answer will reply
[11:18] <c0rle0n3> ok
[11:18] <c0rle0n3> sorry
[11:19] <c0rle0n3> there is a way to download php5 package and all it's dependencies?
[11:19] <SlimeyPete> c0rle0n3: use adept or apt-get
[11:19] <SlimeyPete> eg "sudo apt-get install php5"
[11:19] <SlimeyPete> adept/apt-get are the main way to install things on kubuntu.
[11:19] <n1tro> !mouse
[11:19] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[11:22] <apparle> bye
[11:22] <shiver> :P
[11:22] <shiver> bye
[11:27] <c0rle0n3> SlimeyPete: I used but it installs php5.2.1 version
[11:29] <c0rle0n3> it says it's newest version, and it's not true
[11:30] <jussi01> c0rle0n3: yes, it is true - it has the newest version in the ubuntu repositories. you need to compile it if you want a newer version
[11:30] <jussi01> !compile
[11:30] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[11:31] <SlimeyPete> it's the newest available. If you need a later version you'll need to compile it
[11:31] <SlimeyPete> or wait for the next version of Kubuntu
[11:31] <jussi01> !info php5 hardy
[11:31] <ubotu> php5 (source: php5): server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package). In component main, is optional. Version 5.2.4-2ubuntu4 (hardy), package size 1 kB, installed size 20 kB
[11:31] <c0rle0n3> my version is 5.2.1
[11:31] <c0rle0n3> not this hardy
[11:32] <c0rle0n3> which I want to
[11:32] <jussi01> c0rle0n3: that one is in the next release of ubuntu
[11:32] <c0rle0n3> humm
[11:32] <SlimeyPete> hardy is the next version of k/ubuntu
[11:32] <SlimeyPete> if you need 5.2.4, you'll need to upgrade your OS to hardy.
[11:32] <c0rle0n3> there is no way to install it without upgrade my os?
[11:32] <SlimeyPete> compile it.
[11:33] <jussi01> c0rle0n3: quite simply, you need to compile it. (or upgrade to hardy, which is still very alpha)
[11:33] <c0rle0n3> maybe tar -xvzf php...
[11:33] <SlimeyPete> get the source from the php website and then compile it.
[11:33] <c0rle0n3> I did, it says  error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
[11:34] <c0rle0n3> never saw this before
[11:34] <SlimeyPete> yeah, you need to instal a c compiler
[11:34] <SlimeyPete> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:35] <c0rle0n3> ok
[11:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> where can I get information on building a custom kernel using the config of the generic?  I just want to add support in 2 areas.
[11:38] <c0rle0n3> configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation. libxml2 is already the newest version. libxml2 set to manual installed.
[11:38] <c0rle0n3> now I'm lost
[11:41] <SlimeyPete> c0rle0n3: probably best to ask in #php from this point onwards, to be honest
[11:41] <SlimeyPete> they will know more about how to compile it
[11:42] <jussi01> !kernel | gundam_rx78nt1
[11:42] <ubotu> gundam_rx78nt1: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[11:42] <Fleck> c0rle0n3 install libxml2-dev package
[11:43] <c0rle0n3> ok
[11:43] <c0rle0n3> thanks
[11:45] <yolnizzle> is there no cool kubuntu game for grabs with apt-get
[11:45] <Fleck> what kind of?
[11:46] <Fleck> di you tried sauerbraten ?
[11:46] <Fleck> *did
[11:46] <jason> yolnizzle, if your just looking for any game there's always frozenbubble
[11:46] <yolnizzle> wats d apt-get code
[11:46] <Fleck> crack attack :)
[11:47] <jason> sudo apt-get install frozenbubble
[11:47] <yolnizzle> i have crack attack
[11:47] <jussi01> !games | yolnizzle
[11:47] <ubotu> yolnizzle: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:47] <Fleck> sudo apt-get install crack-attack
[11:47] <Fleck> sudo apt-get install sauerbraten
[11:47] <jussi01> sudo apt-get install tremulous
[11:48] <Fleck> sudo apt-get install foobillard
[11:48] <yolnizzle> 10ks guys
[11:48] <Fleck> sudo apt-get install wormux :D
[11:48] <n1tro> anybody here with logitech mx518 mouse? i was just wondering if you could send me your xorg.conf file so i can see how you managed to get those buttons work
[11:48] <Fleck> sudo apt-get install lincity-ng
[11:48] <tekteen> sudo apt-get install neverball
[11:50] <jussi01> n1tro: I dont have that one (I have the mx1000), but you need to install btnx - I dont think its in the repos, google it
[11:50] <n1tro> kiitos:)
[11:50] <jussi01> alright alright, I think the games thing has been done :D
[11:50] <jussi01> n1tro: ole hyvä ;)
[11:51] <Fleck> yeah neverball rocks :)
[11:51] <forg> Would ubuntu autorecognise a new SATA HD. I'm using pci controller card (tried two just in case one was faulty), but neither gparted in ubuntu-installed nor the ubuntu install dvd recognise it. Do I need to type something to activated it? Thanks in advance. (the pci card is listed in lspci)
[11:52] <jussi01> forg: I dont know which module it might need, but you may need to modprobe it to get it working
[11:53] <forg> jussi01: thanks, if the card is listed as 01:07.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller (rev 50)
[11:53] <forg> in lspci, does that mean the module is already loaded?
[11:57] <jussi01> forg: I dont think it means that its loaded or not - just that the computer recognises the card is there
[11:57] <forg> jussi01: cool thanks
[11:58] <jussi01> forg: ahh, its raid...
[11:58] <jussi01> !raid | forg
[11:58] <ubotu> forg: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[11:58] <forg> jussi01:awesome thanks
[11:58] <psi_> hi all
[11:58] <jussi01> hi
[11:59] <psi_> i have just installed kde4 and want to know how to get compiz working with it
[12:00] <jussi01> psi_: kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:01] <psi_> thanks
[12:01] <n1tro> jussi01:  how should I use that btnx?
[12:01] <jussi01> n1tro: there is a guide included...
[12:01] <n1tro> in the files?
[12:02] <jussi01> yeah, a readme somewhere there i think
[12:02] <jussi01> been a while since I installed/configured
[12:03] <Nightrose> hi - I don´t get the login screen any longer when booting, just a console login - can someone help me find the problem - I am out of ideas
[12:04] <jussi01> Nightrose: do you have any x at all?
[12:05] <Nightrose> jussi01: yes - when typing startx I can start kde
[12:05] <Nightrose> I assume some config is borked
[12:05] <Nightrose> just don´t know where to look
[12:06] <jussi01> have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ??
[12:06] <Nightrose> nope will try now
[12:13] <Nightrose> jussi01: didn´t help :(
[12:14] <psi_> drool kde4 +compiz
[12:26] <zoonino> Anyone have a creative soundblaster external usb working on Kubuntu?
[12:28] <n1tro> hey is there any way to adjust priority in kubuntu? because my processors aren't working 100% when i play wow
[12:28] <n1tro> so it affects gameplay
[12:28] <SlimeyPete> !nice
[12:28] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:28] <SlimeyPete> erm
[12:28] <SlimeyPete> well, the "nice" command is what you want
[12:29] <n1tro> what does it do?
[12:29] <SlimeyPete> it sets process priority
[12:29] <n1tro> oki :)
[12:30] <redheat> hi everyone
[12:30] <redheat> just a quick help would be appreciated here
[12:30] <redheat> right now I'm writing from my laptop
[12:31] <redheat> I'm trying to install Kubuntu with KDE4 on my system, but after I have inserted the DVD and waited to login into the destkop manager nothing happened
[12:31] <redheat> anyone?
[12:31] <redheat> helloo
[12:31] <SlimeyPete> patience.
[12:31] <redheat> ok
[12:32] <SlimeyPete> you're probably best-off asking in #kubuntu-kde4. You'll need to be patient though - people don't watch IRC 24/7 so it may take a few minutes or longer to get an answer.
[12:32] <SlimeyPete> :)
[12:33] <n1tro> SlimeyPete:  the command nice doesn't work :E
[12:33] <redheat> slimeypete, the problem has nothing to do with KDE4, but with why the installation process didn't go straight to
[12:33] <redheat> to the GUI manager?
[12:33] <redheat> It just hanged there
[12:34] <redheat> you know that initial screen after you choose install KDE, where a lot of preinstalla scripts are initiated..
[12:34] <redheat> and then it flickered for a while, and it didn't log me in into the GUI, the funny thing, when I inserted the DVD into my laptop, I went to the GUI with no problems at all
[12:34] <SlimeyPete> n1tro: it doesn't? You mean it doesn't run?
[12:35] <SlimeyPete> redheat: sounds like it's misrecognising your graphics card
[12:35] <redheat> that's what I thought...NOt again I mean for crying out loud
[12:35] <n1tro> i write "nice file:///home/n1tro/.wine/drive_c/Ohjelmatiedostot/World of Warcraft/Wow.exe" and nothing happens
[12:35] <redheat> this is too much..
[12:35] <redheat> I just bought a new LCD Monitor and a new Graphics Card..
[12:36] <redheat> it is a DELL Ultrashartp 20" monitor, and the new 8800 GTX card..
[12:36] <redheat> SlimeyPete, what can I do to get around this, I just pressed enter on the desktop, and it got me to the Ubuntu command line
[12:36] <SlimeyPete> redheat: 8800GTX might be too new for the nvidia drivers, I would suggest googling a bit ofind out about compatibility
[12:37] <redheat> and I looged in as root
[12:37] <SlimeyPete> redheat: well, you could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try enabling the "vesa" driver instead
[12:37] <SlimeyPete> n1tro: that's not how you use nice. Hang on, I'll find you a web page
[12:37] <redheat> would this work, since I haven't installed Kubuntu?
[12:38] <n1tro> why doesn't he just go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and just disable his current graphics drivers?
[12:38] <redheat> I was thinking of using the Safe graphics mode
[12:38] <redheat> n1tro, I haven't even installed Kubuntu yet, you know what I'm saying..
[12:38] <SlimeyPete> n1tro: try http://www.newlinuxuser.com/howto-change-process-priority-using-the-nice-command/
[12:38] <n1tro> wtf :D
[12:38] <redheat> I mean this is happening right from the instlalation page
[12:39] <SlimeyPete> redheat: should still work :) You can edit the file and then restart x.
[12:39] <n1tro> well that's very weird
[12:39] <n1tro> SlimeyPete:  sorry but that link isn't working :D
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> ah right. It doesn't work for me either but I am having connection problems at the moment so lots of stuff doesn't work ;)
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> I'll look for another
[12:40] <fbianco> !ajuda
[12:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ajuda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:40] <n1tro> stupid kubuntu, everybody should know that wow has number one priority :D
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> aha, google rocks
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> n1tro: http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:jZA6pgfdHzMJ:www.newlinuxuser.com/howto-change-process-priority-using-the-nice-command/+linux+nice+priority+howto&hl=en&gl=uk&strip=1
[12:41] <SlimeyPete> that's the google-cache text
[12:42] <n1tro> but slimey that means i need to run that nice everytime
[12:42] <n1tro> i play wow
[12:42] <n1tro> that's just stupid ;o
[12:42] <redheat> Slimey, you won't believe this, I just typed startx and it gave me fatal error..NO SCREENS FOUND would you believe that?
[12:43] <redheat> anyhow..gotta go and check for answer for this crap..
[12:43] <redheat> thank you so much SlimeyPete, and you too n1tro..
[12:44] <redheat> thank you folks..truly appreciate it..
[12:44] <n1tro> laters :)
[12:46] <SlimeyPete> n1tro: not really stupid - you couldn't do it automatically on any other OS either. I suggest writing a quick script or alias.
[12:46] <n1tro> btw what do you exasctly write? nice -20 wow.exe ?
[12:47] <n1tro> because that doesn't seem to work
[12:48] <SlimeyPete> nice wow.exe -20
[12:48] <SlimeyPete> or similar
[12:49] <SlimeyPete> well, nice wow.exe -19   unless you're root
[12:54] <Jerenmye> Hi! After a update yesterday Firefox doesn't have Adobe Flash. In the topic is "The Flash plugin installation is currently broken". Is anyone fixing it?
[12:54] <jussi01> !flashissues | Jerenmye
[12:54] <ubotu> Jerenmye: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. Fixes have landed in -proposed for testing, but most most users are advised to wait until packages are approved and released in -updates.
[12:55] <sylvain-fr> Hi !
[12:56] <Jerenmye> thanks ubotu bot
[12:56] <mohd> malaysian
[12:56] <mohd> have or no
[12:57] <sylvain-fr> Has someone ever heard something about "multi seat" ?
[12:58] <sylvain-fr> Nobody ?
[12:59] <youlin> hello : has any one used desktop sharing to a machine behind a firewall?
[13:00] <dscorbin> I can't resize my konsole window with the mouse, and I've not found the setting that controls it.  Pointers?
[13:00] <jussi01> dscorbin: weird, mine adjusts fine
[13:01] <dscorbin> jussi01: I don't even get the "two pointed cursor" when I move the mouse over the edge.
[13:02] <dscorbin> There is Settings/Size menu, but I just want to be able to use the mouse, not set row/col counts
[13:06] <n1tro> anybody know how to set nice -20 to wine?
[13:06] <n1tro> or what ever programs wine uses
[13:06] <n1tro> because i try to write "nice wine -20" but it doesn't accept it  and it doesn't accept "nice wow.exe -20" either
[13:07] <xt828> what's the -20 supposed to do?
[13:07] <n1tro> give it the maximum priority
[13:07] <n1tro> over other programs
[13:08] <xt828> have you tried doing it through the KDE system guard?
[13:08] <n1tro> nope
[13:08] <n1tro> but i have no idea what you're talking about
[13:09] <stefan_> does someone know if yahoo has its own email blacklist servers?
[13:09] <xt828> in the K Menu, under system, there's an entry KSysGuard (Performance Monitor)
[13:09] <xt828> it's somewhat reminiscent of task manager in windows
[13:10] <ndazza> hi, how can i turn down the volume of kde system notifications?
[13:10] <xt828> you can re-nice processes there by rightclicking on the process and selecting "Renice" from the options
[13:11] <n1tro> hey thanks :) i guess that will work fine
[13:11] <JohnFlux> n1tro: nice -20 wine
[13:11] <JohnFlux> n1tro: the order matters
[13:12] <JohnFlux> nice wine -20   would run "wine -20"
[13:13] <n1tro> JohnFlux:  does it affect wow.exe the same way then?
[13:13] <JohnFlux> n1tro: yep
[13:13] <JohnFlux> n1tro: but
[13:13] <n1tro> ye?
[13:13] <JohnFlux> n1tro: that doesn't mean it's a good idea :)
[13:13] <n1tro> it doesn't ? :O
[13:14] <JohnFlux> n1tro: if you give it a very high priority, then when will X get to run to actually display it? :-)
[13:14] <n1tro> i have no idea..
[13:15] <xt828> annoyingly, the wine appdb is down at the moment, but when it comes back up, check there to see if there are any recommendations for running wow better
[13:15] <JohnFlux> n1tro: X will be your bottleneck as well.  you don't want the program to have a much higher niceness than X
[13:15] <n1tro> okay i keep that in mind :D
[13:15] <n1tro> so is 15 okay?
[13:15] <xt828> depends on what your X nice is
[13:16] <xt828> why do you want to increase its priority, anyway?
[13:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> smoother playing?
[13:16] <elmargol> Hi, how can I change my default browser from lynx to firefox? (If I klick on a link on kopete it opens it using konsole + lynx)
[13:16] <n1tro> xt828:  because for some reason my processors aren't working 100% when my wow is playing
[13:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> go to your kcontrol and change kde defaults
[13:16] <kenalex> why you guys choose kubuntu over ubuntu. does kubuntu have alot more features ?
[13:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> kenalex, it's a preference thing.
[13:17] <xt828> i like kde more than i like gnome
[13:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> As you know, linux is about choice.
[13:17] <xt828> also, i like blue more than i like that orangey brown colour
[13:18] <kenalex> ok
[13:18] <elmargol> noone?
[13:18] <vedavox> I think KDE is a lot more customisable, and been using KDE since version1
[13:18] <gundam_rx78nt1> vedaox, your dating yourself.  Anyway, so have I.
[13:19] <elmargol> KDE has every feature you don't need :D
[13:19] <vedavox> elmargol: in kcontrol, go to defailt applications and set the default browser
[13:19] <kenalex> gundam_rx78nt1: so i see its about choice. its like going into a pizza parlor and having a million choices of what toppins you can have with that pizza :)
[13:19] <elmargol> vedavox: I don't have default applications there
[13:19] <gundam_rx78nt1> true.
[13:20] <kenalex> gundam_rx78nt1:right now i am doing some distro hopping
[13:20] <vedavox> elmargol: do you have system settings? from the main k menu
[13:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> kenalex, I believe that many of us here have done that also.  I started with slackware back in 1993.
[13:21] <gundam_rx78nt1> 100 floppy disks, 8 hours to install... the good ol' days...
[13:21] <kenalex> cool i hear that is one lean OS
[13:21] <xt828> n1tro, have a look at this for some wow-on-wine tips: http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine
[13:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> now, I do prefer for setting up a server, I would go with gentoo. for desktop/laptop purpose, I prefer kubuntu.
[13:22] <vedavox> I changed all my boxes to kubuntu a few months ago, had been on debian sid for the last 5 years
[13:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> I stay away from redhat.
[13:22] <elmargol> vedavox: No
[13:22] <elmargol> I have actions -> Settings -> control center
[13:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> elmargol: do Alt-F2 and type kcontrol.
[13:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> then look at the menu there.
[13:23] <elmargol> done
[13:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> under kde components.
[13:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> you should find it there.
[13:23] <kenalex> i find fedora very easy to break
[13:23] <ndazza> n1tro: you're trying to improve wow performance?
[13:24] <JohnFlux> What does it mean if I have a load of 5, but no apps using any cpu?
[13:24] <JohnFlux> I'm guessing that means the kernel is using all the cpu
[13:24] <JohnFlux> but no idea why
[13:24] <vedavox> elmargol: click on web browser and just enter firefox in the box
[13:24] <ndazza> JohnFlux: they're probably sleeping as soon as they try to use cpu, or perhaps something suddenly stopped taxing the cpu
[13:24] <n1tro> ndazza: it's not only that, my processors aren't using their full power when wow is running
[13:24] <n1tro> so it lags
[13:25] <elmargol> there is no "web browser" at KDE Components
[13:25] <JohnFlux> n1tro: newest video drivers?
[13:25] <ndazza> n1tro: wow won't max out more than 1 core
[13:25] <elmargol> ndazza: not true
[13:25] <ndazza> n1tro: but i can point you to some recommendations to make wow faster
[13:25] <vedavox> elmargol: under kde components, then default applications, then web browser
[13:25] <n1tro> JohnFlux:  i guess so
[13:25] <ndazza> elmargol: it will use 2 cores but it won't max them out
[13:25] <ndazza> at least not under linux
[13:26] <elmargol> vedavox: I don't have defalt applications at kde components
[13:26] <kenalex> nitro:what class and race do you play in wow
[13:26] <n1tro> my processors are jumping from 50/50 to 100/10
[13:26] <ndazza> n1tro: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_and_update_World_Of_Warcraft_with_wine#Performance_Tweaks
[13:26] <n1tro> kenalex a troll shaman in dragonmaw D:
[13:27] <ndazza> take special note of the registry edit, that made a huge difference for me
[13:27] <ndazza> nearly doubled my fps
[13:27] <kenalex> oh one of those melee demons
[13:27] <vedavox> elmargol: do you have kubuntu installed, or running kopete under ubuntu?
[13:27] <n1tro> i'm not melee, i'm resto
[13:27] <n1tro> and i beat the servers best of any class in a duel :D
[13:27] <kenalex> ok
[13:27] <elmargol> vedavox: I have ubuntu and kubuntu installed
[13:27] <kenalex> nitro:congratz
[13:28] <vedavox> elmargol: sounds like you do not have the full kubuntu installed, hold on a sec
[13:28] <elmargol> yes I only have kdebase
[13:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> elmargol: did kcontrol open for you?
[13:28] <elmargol> gundam_rx78nt1: yes
[13:28] <n1tro> ndazza:  do you use that script that gives more fps?
[13:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I am logging into my box, give me a sec.
[13:29] <n1tro> kenalex:  where do you play?
[13:29] <ndazza> n1tro: script? no
[13:29] <ndazza> n1tro: in theory it might help, especially if you kill all your x sessions beforehand
[13:29] <ndazza> n1tro: but if you have gigs of ram and dual core or better it probably won't make much difference
[13:30] <elmargol> vedavox: Yes I think I'm missing some kde components
[13:30] <n1tro> the real problem isn't power :D
[13:30] <ndazza> (i have gigs of ram and dual core, so i didn't bother)
[13:30] <n1tro> it's just that my computer refuses to use that power on linux
[13:30] <kenalex> nitro: i played a dwarf paladin on hakkar. have stop playing for about a year now
[13:30] <n1tro> oh
[13:30] <gundam_rx78nt1> elmargol: when you click on kde components, what do you get listed?
[13:30] <ndazza> n1tro: see this thread on the processorAffinityMask config flag as well http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1778017311&sid=1
[13:31] <elmargol> File Associations, File Manager, Kde Performance, Kde resources, service manager, session manager, spell checker
[13:31] <fiyawerx> !kde4
[13:31] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[13:32] <gundam_rx78nt1> then you are missing stuff...
[13:32] <vedavox> elmargol: try installing the kdebase package should put then in for you
[13:33] <n1tro> btw ndazza what program do you use for your linux to detect those extra buttons if your mouse?
[13:33] <n1tro> *in your mouse
[13:34] <ndazza> n1tro: i only use 5 buttons (ie 3 plus scroll wheel)
[13:34] <ndazza> i have another 2 but i don't use them
[13:34] <n1tro> ;o
[13:34] <ndazza> there's guides on the net to enabling them but i haven't bothered
[13:35] <n1tro> those two buttons are like MUST for me
[13:35] <n1tro> i'm missing like 6 spells that don't work in wow because i have two buttons linux doesn't recognize
[13:35] <gundam_rx78nt1> elmargol: you can also change the file associations for htm to firefox.
[13:36] <gundam_rx78nt1> I just did it on my box.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[13:36] <ndazza> n1tro: find those guides :) it's not so hard to set up i think
[13:37] <n1tro> it actually is.. for me atleast :/
[13:37] <c0rle0n3> how do I update my apt repos?
[13:37] <Emiliano> .
[13:37] <ndazza> n1tro: last time i did it i just made some config file
[13:37] <ndazza> or maybe i found a setup just for my mouse... i forget :p
[13:38] <elmargol> gundam_rx78nt1: thx this works!
[13:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> great.
[13:38] <FaiDillinGer> anyone knows how i acan get kopete to open firefox instead of konqueror when i check out my mails in my hotmail account ??
[13:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> that is the good thing about linux, there is more than one way to skin a windows box...
[13:39] <vedavox> ndazza, you can enable them in Xorg.conf if its a standard mouse
[13:39] <yolnizzle> right click on the link it should bring out an open with firefox dialogue
[13:40] <jason> fai, are you using kde?
[13:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> FaiDillinGer: kcontrol > KDE components > Default Applications > Web Browser > type in fire fox...
[13:41] <BluesKaj> FaiDillinGer, set the default browser in system settings/default applications and in the terminal: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[13:42] <FaiDillinGer> thx BluesKaj : its already set in system settings. ill do it for the terminal
[13:43] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:44] <FaiDillinGer> lol kopete still opens konqueror to check out the hotmail account. btw everything else works with firefox but this
[13:44] <BluesKaj> FaiDillinGer, the terminal setting tries to make the default broser a global setting unless otherwise chosen in an application
[13:44] <FaiDillinGer> BluesKaj: fine
[13:44] <BluesKaj> like kopte,
[13:45] <BluesKaj> you may have to configure kopete on it's own
[13:45] <BluesKaj> same goes for konversation and most other apps that are linkable to URLs thru a browse
[13:46] <BluesKaj> KB is mucking up here
[13:46] <christianp> hi all
[13:46] <BluesKaj> prolly too many coffee spills on it
[13:46] <christianp> problems with noatun, i try playing a small .vaw file, but it seems not to work. any ideas?
[13:47] <BluesKaj> christianp, does the wav file appear to play, but without audio
[13:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> my amarok is choppy on play back of mp3's.  this started after upgrading to Gutsy.  Xmms plays the files fine... any ideas?
[13:48] <vedavox> gundam_rx78nt1: using moodbar in amarok?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, reinstall  libxine1-ffmpeg
[13:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> no, just standard installation.
[13:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> libxine1-ffmpeg?  Ok.
[13:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> I will do that once I get home.  I can ssh and do that but I can't test it for another 3 hours.
[13:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> BluesKaj: is this from experience?
[13:50] <BluesKaj> no, it's new in amarok in gutsy
[13:51] <vedavox> On another forum someone else was saying choppy sound in amarok, but kaffeine worked fine
[13:51] <BluesKaj> mine wouldn't play mp3s at all , not that I care :) ...strictly wav or lossless for this guy
[13:51] <vedavox> they were using mandriva though
[13:51] <gundam_rx78nt1> has anybody else experienced this: vga=791 or if using the hex code, you will get a blank screen in the virtual terminals (ALT+F1-6).
[13:51] <c0rle0n3> hi
[13:52] <gundam_rx78nt1> during booting.
[13:52] <c0rle0n3> How to  update php 5.2.1 to 5.2.5
[13:52] <c0rle0n3> I'm using kubuntu 7 with has default instalation of apache2 and php5.2.1
[13:52] <gundam_rx78nt1> I was wondering if someone had a fix for this
[13:52] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, that's the std setting for TTY prompts from F1 - F6
[13:53] <BluesKaj> F7 returns the desktop
[13:53] <vedavox> c0rle0n3: check the backports or hardy repos, else compile by hand
[13:54] <gundam_rx78nt1> what do you mean?  I only get a blank screen. no login prompt. now if I just let it boot up without the vga statement in my grub menu.lst file, then I get 640x480 display instead of 1024x768.
[13:54] <gundam_rx78nt1> which the vga statement is used.
[13:54] <ahmos> Hi,there is for example a program for kde and another same program for kde4,which I should install?
[13:54] <c0rle0n3> vedavox: how I do that?
[13:55] <vedavox> ahmos: if you are using kde3, use the kde3 version
[13:56] <Emiliano>   òò
[13:56] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, sounds like you have to reset you xorg.config file resolution settings , some timea amonitor driver upgrade will help or : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg
[13:57] <vedavox> c0rle0n3: just checked, hardy has 5.2.4, unless you want to install from the source yourself, you will have to wait until it hits the repos
[13:57] <BluesKaj> err sorry sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:58] <gundam_rx78nt1> BluesKaj: it was working fine 2 weeks ago when I had Feisty installed.  I just upgraded to Gutsy and since then, it doesn't work.  I have removed and reconfigured my xorg.conf file many times to no avail.
[13:58] <vedavox> gundam_rx78nt1: I had a problem like that, thinking of going back to using LiLo, its a lot easier
[13:58] <ahmos> thank's vendavox
[13:58] <gundam_rx78nt1> LiLo... (shudders)... it's been so long since the lilo days...
[13:58] <FaiDillinGer> BluesKaj:  i found out how to make kopete check out hotmail with firefox. in kcontrol, i made the 1st application for text/html to be firefox
[13:59] <BluesKaj> FaiDillinGer, cool :)
[13:59] <vedavox> gundam_rx78nt1: I was using it until 5 months ago on debian, this new fangled grub nonsense :P
[13:59] <BluesKaj> good to know
[14:00] <christianp> sorry, BluesKaj, i was googling for solutions ;)
[14:00] <BluesKaj> I liked LILO , it was easier
[14:00] <gundam_rx78nt1> vedavox: I believe it's a kernel issue.  It's reported and confirmed as a bug.
[14:00] <christianp> BluesKaj: it seems it's interrupted but no sounds played
[14:00] <gundam_rx78nt1> I was wondering if someone has found a fix for it.
[14:01] <vedavox> time to go
[14:01] <gundam_rx78nt1> with my luck no developers are here to answer that question.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, maybe a monitor driver / graphics card driver check may be in order ...I had to revert to the restricted driver in system settings /advanced to get DRI and 3D working on this pc
[14:03] <BluesKaj> after installing gutsy
[14:05] <BluesKaj> christianp, try a cd , something that you know has audio on it
[14:06] <nareshov> Hi, what's 'knotify4'? Must it be running all the time? (It's consuming a lot of memory)
[14:07] <BluesKaj> nareshov, adept notifier ?
[14:07] <SlimeyPete> no, knotify is a kde thing
[14:08] <SlimeyPete> it sends notification events when stuff happens (though I'm not sure exactly what its function is)
[14:08] <SlimeyPete> yes, it probably does need to be running but it shouldn't be eating RA
[14:08] <SlimeyPete> *RAM
[14:18] <BluesKaj> SlimeyPete, hmm according to Softpedia : Knotify for Pidgin is a plugin for the Pidgin chat client that uses Knotify to do notifications. This is for those who like pidgin but don't like the lack of KDE integration.
[14:19] <stefan_> is there a chance to get kontact running with M$ exchange 2003
[14:19] <nosrednaekim> stefan_: yes, I think the kontact in Kubuntu does support exchange
[14:19] <stefan_> okay , but how?
[14:20] <RogueJediX> Could somebody be so kind as to point me to a guide to setting up japanese character input?
[14:20] <BluesKaj> knotify is prolly more applicable to  this : http://lukeplant.me.uk/articles.php?id=3
[14:20] <stefan_> I searched the web and kontact but can not find a way?
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> !kontact
[14:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kontact - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:20] <stefan_> Can someone help?
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> !exchange
[14:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about exchange - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:20] <nosrednaekim> stefan_: unfortunately,no.... did you try looking at the inbuilt kontact docs?
[14:20] <stefan_> no, where can I find them?
[14:21] <nosrednaekim> stefan_: in kontact->help->kontact handbook or something like that
[14:23] <stefan_> hmm nothing with exchange
[14:24] <nosrednaekim> hrm.
[14:25] <kenalex> have you guys read this article : http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html
[14:25] <stefan_> I also tried evolution, there is something with exchange but getting the error the the url is not correct, but it is!
[14:27] <nosrednaekim> kenalex: thats old news :)
[14:27] <kenalex> hehe :)
[14:27] <kenalex> new to me :)
[14:28] <redheat> hi everyone
[14:28] <redheat> need some help if possible, I just installed Kubuntu with KDE4, finally, and  I was wondering how can I get it conneted to the internet..
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> redheat: are you using wired?
[14:29] <redheat> nope, wireless
[14:29] <nosrednaekim> redheat: encrypted?
[14:29] <redheat> yes
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> redheat: wpa or wep?
[14:30] <redheat> wep
[14:30] <nosrednaekim> ok, this is a bit difficult, so let me find you a tutorial.
[14:30] <redheat> thank you..
[14:31] <nosrednaekim> the first thing you should do after getting this woking is go get knetworkmanager ;)
[14:33] <redheat> nosrednaekim, I have better idea can you show me how to allow administrator login ?
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> redheat: "sudo -i"
[14:34] <redheat> I did that..
[14:34] <redheat> I was talking about logging in with an adiministrator account..
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> oh.. you mean running GUI apps that require root priveledges?
[14:34] <redheat> no no
[14:35] <redheat> I mean loggin in from the login windows with a root account
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> redheat: oh, right, then run "sudo passwd root"
[14:35] <redheat> I did that too
[14:35] <redheat> but it tells me no administrator login allowed
[14:35] <kenalex> do any of you guys use the 64 bit version of kubuntu
[14:35] <redheat> do you remember that windows in Ubuntu gives you the option to
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> oh... X might not be letting root user log in (for security reasons)
[14:35] <grul> sudo su
[14:35] <redheat> nope, sorry only 32 bit
[14:35] <nosrednaekim> kenalex: yes
[14:36] <redheat> sudo su?
[14:36] <gundam_rx78nt1> redheat, change your kde profile config file. you will find a line that say root login = false
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> redheat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[14:36] <BluesKaj> kenalex, i did but switched to x86 , due to graphics card probs
[14:36] <nosrednaekim> gundam_rx78nt1: where is this file?
[14:37] <kenalex> i am noticing that flash isn't available for the 64 bt version
[14:37] <gundam_rx78nt1> should be in /etc/kde if I am not mistaken.
[14:37] <gundam_rx78nt1> give me a moment and let me check.
[14:37] <BluesKaj> kenalex, yeah , but you can around that by installing ia32libs
[14:37] <redheat> nosrednaekim, wasn't there a wi-fi wizard that made it easy to configure the wi-fi network?
[14:38] <kenalex> oh ok
[14:38] <BluesKaj> err grt
[14:38] <redheat> I remember last time I used a wi-fi wizard and it get me through all that with no command line..of course thank you so much for your help
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> redheat: yes, but its kde3.... you have to install it manually after you get internet(which admittedly needs to be fixed)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> &#$@** KB !
[14:38] <redheat> exactly
[14:38] <redheat> ok..
[14:39] <nosrednaekim> redheat: the kde4 liveCD was not really intended to be installed
[14:39] <redheat> I thought so
[14:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> you would need to edit the /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc file.
[14:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> look for the line AllowRootLogin=false and change it to true.
[14:39] <snarkster> morning all
[14:39] <redheat> anyhow...thank you so much for your help truly truly appreciate your help..
[14:40] <redheat> morning to you too
[14:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> you will be able to log into kde as root then.
[14:40] <redheat> you all take care and have a nice day
[14:40] <snarkster> anyone know how to see what services are running in console more?
[14:40] <nosrednaekim> snarkster: ps -ax
[14:40] <snarkster> thank you
[14:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> nosrednaekim: did you get that info?
[14:41] <nosrednaekim> gundam_rx78nt1: yeah... thanks, I don't need it personally, but its nice to know :)
[14:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok.
[14:42] <snarkster> i am at a total loss then.. network manager just not working and I cant get kde3 version to install..
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> snarkster: install regular Ubuntu ;)
[14:43] <snarkster> LOL
[14:43] <snarkster> no thank you
[14:43] <snarkster> gnome is yucky
[14:43] <nosrednaekim> snarkster: then install kde4
[14:43] <snarkster> I thought Id be smart and install kde4... now I cant go wireless.
[14:44] <snarkster> and iwconfig doesnt use passphrases
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> yes it can...
[14:44] <gundam_rx78nt1> what about the Knetwork manager.
[14:44] <nosrednaekim> oh.... WPA?
[14:44] <snarkster> nah just crappy WEP
[14:44] <snarkster> knetwrok manager is the problem
[14:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> did you click on manual?
[14:45] <nosrednaekim> snarkster: it certainly can! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[14:45] <snarkster> itll start after I tell it to start, but will not connect and does not see my networks
[14:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> what is your iwconfig outpur?
[14:45] <gundam_rx78nt1> sorry, output.
[14:45] <snarkster> it doesnt give much output..
[14:46] <snarkster> ima go read this manual nosrednaekim sent, brb
[14:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok, do an iwconfig. see if there are wireless extensions shown.
[14:46] <n1tro> anybody using btnx ?
[14:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> then do an ifconfig and see if the card is up or down.
[14:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> if it is down, you won't see any networks.
[14:47] <snarkster> i get output.. brb
[14:50] <FaiDillinGer> anyone got any problem with ralink wifi ?? mine wont work for more than 5 minutes
[14:50] <nosrednaekim> !ralink
[14:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[14:53] <ubuntu> hi @ll
[14:54] <martijn81> hi there ubuntu
[14:54] <gundam_rx78nt1> be well and merry ubuntu.
[14:54] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[14:54] <ubuntu> my question: how can i create a boot cd of linux??
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: you might want to try remaster
[14:55] <nosrednaekim> !search remaster
[14:55] <ubotu> Found:
[14:56] <gundam_rx78nt1> snarkster:  any luck yet?
[14:56] <snarkster> holy crappers it worked
[14:56] <gundam_rx78nt1> what worked?  my advice?
[14:56] <darkalien> hey leute hab nen problem mit meiner externen
[14:56] <snarkster> Thank you nosrednaekim and gundam_rx78nt1
[14:56] <darkalien> is das hier gut oder schlecht?EXT3-fs: error loading jour
[14:57] <ubuntu> situation: i got a linux (knoppicillin) of a magazine (called "c't" of heise), but i want to create an image of it without other data (just: /boot;/koppix)
[14:58] <gundam_rx78nt1> snarkster, just one suggestion: on knetwork manager, do not click on manual configuration... unless you are connecting to trusted networks.
[14:59] <gundam_rx78nt1> If you do... I had to delete the config file in order to get auto detection up and running again.
[15:00] <snarkster> well right now knetworkmanager isnt working worth a damn
[15:03] <LinaLove> anyone got advice on what to use for transferring files bigger than 1gb? got my laptop (vista) connected to the tower but winscp wont let me move files with that size
[15:03] <nosrednaekim> LinaLove: I think you can get ssh for vista.
[15:04] <LinaLove> thanks, i'll do some research on that :P
[15:04] <ubuntu> what is remaster (a command??)
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> LinaLove: and if its from linux->windows, use the kde fie transfer daemon (it makes a nice little remote web page)
[15:05] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: its a program.... google it
[15:06] <ubuntu> ok, thx i was searchen in the shell for a man :)
[15:06] <LinaLove> wanted to move files from vista to kubuntu
[15:06] <LinaLove> using winscp
[15:07] <nosrednaekim> LinaLove: samba?
[15:07] <LinaLove> never heard of that :S using kubuntu since friday :D
[15:08] <SlimeyPete> winscp should cope with big files just fine O.o
[15:08] <SlimeyPete> !samba
[15:08] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[15:08] <SlimeyPete> samba == Windows File Sharing, basically.
[15:08] <snarkster> that page with all the wifi stuff on it is a keeper... bookmarked that bad boy cause I know Ill need it
[15:08] <snarkster> Gotta get dressed.. intereview in 2 hours
[15:09] <snarkster> thanks again
[15:09] <LinaLove> thanks SlimeyPete (:
[15:13] <n1tro> Anyone else here using BTNX?
[15:14] <lontra> how would i run suspend from konsole w/ guidance-power-manager?  the buttons don't work properly in kde4
[15:15] <dkettman> !xen
[15:16] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen
[15:20] <ubuntu> failt
[15:21] <ubuntu> i just found ideas to remaster a complete ubuntu distribution
[15:21] <ubuntu> i new
[15:21] <ubuntu> thats hardcorestuff for me ;)
[15:22] <jussi01> !ot
[15:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[15:23] <TimS> !startup
[15:23] <ubotu> To make programs start up automatically when you log into your KDE session, run all programs that you want to be started and close all other programs, then select 'Save Session' in the K menu. Alternatively, create a !symlink to the wanted program in ~/.kde/Autostart - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[15:27] <Pentarex> hi guys :)
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> hi
[15:27] <Pentarex> can u tell me other web browser exept konquer
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> firefox
[15:27] <jussi01> firefox
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> opera
[15:27] <SlimeyPete> flock
[15:28] <Pentarex> :)
[15:28] <jussi01> epiphany
[15:28] <Pentarex> ok but how to install firefox when its .tar.gz
[15:28] <Pentarex> i try with run-mozila,sh
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: use adept
[15:28] <Pentarex> but nothing happens
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> or apt-get
[15:28] <SlimeyPete> !adept
[15:28] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[15:28] <jussi01> Pentarex: firefox is in the repositories
[15:28] <Pentarex> i try but :)
[15:28] <Pentarex> jussi01: ooo i will try right now
[15:28] <Pentarex> :)
[15:29] <jussi01> Pentarex: epiphany also
[15:29] <Pentarex> sudo apt-get install firefox :)
[15:29] <jussi01> :)
[15:29] <Pentarex> and its downloading
[15:29] <Pentarex> 10nx guys
[15:29] <jussi01> excellent
[15:29] <Pentarex> konqueror its little buggy :P
[15:29] <jussi01> Pentarex: always check the repositories before downloading something off the net
[15:30] <Pentarex> ok 10nx i forgot :)
[15:30] <Pentarex> is there someone from Bulgaria here ?
[15:31] <Pentarex> no one :P
[15:31] <jussi01> !bg
[15:31] <ubotu> опитайте #ubuntu-bg за български потребители . try #ubuntu-bg for bulgarian users, and please idle there patiently
[15:32] <Pentarex> what is the different from ctrl+alt+F1 and konzole from kmenu
[15:33] <stdin> konsole runs in X
[15:33] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: konsole runs in a window in the graphical environment.
[15:33] <Pentarex> aa :)
[15:34] <SlimeyPete> if you hit ctrl-alt-f1 you temporarily leave the graphical environment entirely.
[15:34] <Pentarex> and ctrl+alt+f7 back in
[15:34] <Pentarex> :)
[15:34] <SlimeyPete> yeah.
[15:34] <Pentarex> thanks again
[15:34] <SlimeyPete> the general rule is "use konsole unless your graphics are broken" :)
[15:35] <Fridolf> Or you're going to do anything that might fiddle with X
[15:35] <Fridolf> like installing display drivers :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> and then there are the CLI junkies who think GUIs are for Linux imposters
[15:36] <Pentarex> 10nx alot for the answer
[15:36] <Pentarex> answers*
[15:38] <Fridolf> On the subject of consoles, I think I remember that you could save the console in ram and scroll through it somehow
[15:38] <Pentarex> ok one more question
[15:38] <Pentarex> is there program like photoshop ?
[15:38] <Fridolf> but I can't remember how to do it? almost sure I did on fedora once
[15:38] <Fridolf> yes, gimp
[15:38] <Pentarex> a 10nx
[15:38] <SlimeyPete> Fridolf: shift-pgup? Or use screen.
[15:38] <niall_> is KDevelop any good?
[15:39] <Fridolf> photoshop is almost perfectly runnable in wine too, except some plugins
[15:39] <Fridolf> hmm okej
[15:39] <Fridolf> I'll try it :)
[15:39] <SlimeyPete> niall_: it seems popular, but for me it crashes an awful lot
[15:39] <dewitt> i am running kubuntu fiesty, adept crashed and went away now it is saying it is still open. tell me how to close it.
[15:39] <Pentarex> winex (cedega) is it good ?
[15:39] <Fridolf> nope
[15:39] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: it's OK, but normal wine is just as good for most things (and sometimes better)
[15:39] <Fridolf> cedega is really crappy if you ask me, wine works alot better
[15:39] <SlimeyPete> crossoveroffice is pretty good.
[15:39] <niall_> SlimeyPete: I'm going to be using it for PHP development incidentally, is it worth it?
[15:39] <Pentarex> :)
[15:40] <Fridolf> just google wine and you'll find download links
[15:40] <Pentarex> and what is this folder lost+found on my sda2 its like 9 gb
[15:40] <SlimeyPete> niall_: haven't tried it for PHP. It's probably worthwhile if your project is quite large. Personally I use Quanta.
[15:40] <Pentarex> sudo apt-get install wine :)
[15:40] <Fridolf> yeah but that's probably old versions
[15:40] <niall_> SlimeyPete: Quanta?
[15:40] <Fridolf> but you can add a updated repo from winehq
[15:41] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: http://www.freeos.com/articles/3102/
[15:41] <Fridolf> Photoshop only works okay in the latest wine version which is 0.9.54 or something like that
[15:41] <SlimeyPete> niall_: I think it's in the repos. It's an IDE for web development.
[15:41] <SlimeyPete> niall_: it's very nice.
[15:42] <n1tro> anybody know how to get ventrilo fun on kubuntu?
[15:42] <n1tro> *run
[15:42] <Fridolf> yeah I know
[15:42] <Fridolf> what do you need help with?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> Fridolf, I trust the older versions , some apps aren't ready for some setups and ppl have more trouble than it's worth using the so called "Newer & Better" versions
[15:42] <n1tro> Fridolf:  talkin' to me? :D
[15:42] <batis610> i want to find a link was given to me few days ago on this room .... did konversation client keep history or not?
[15:42] <Fridolf> yes I do :)
[15:42] <Pentarex> SlimeyPete: ok its for linux crashes :)
[15:42] <n1tro> Fridolf:  well i just want to talk to my friends over ventrilo ^^
[15:43] <Pentarex> SlimeyPete: 10nx
[15:43] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: basically, yes
[15:43] <Fridolf> BluesKaj: although with wine it's not like that, because wine is pretty beta and newer usually is better
[15:43] <bjwebb> hi, loads of new kde updates
[15:43] <n1tro> but i tried using  ventrilo with wine but it was complaining about codecs
[15:43] <bjwebb> has this got a name?
[15:43] <Pentarex> but why in sda2 not in sda1
[15:43] <bjwebb> like 4.0.1 or something?
[15:43] <niall_> 4.0.1 is out yeah
[15:43] <bjwebb> okies
[15:44] <BluesKaj> batis610, what app are you researching ?
[15:44] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: dunno, maybe fsck has never done anything to sda1
[15:44] <niall_> 4.1 is due out in July
[15:44] <Fridolf> oh man, there's a good ventrilo guide on appdb on winehq but appdb is down as USUAL!
[15:44] <n1tro> ;<
[15:44] <n1tro> well mind giving me the link so i'll check it later?
[15:44] <Fridolf> anyway the codec you need is in w32codecs from medibuntu
[15:45] <Pentarex> SlimeyPete: man the text editor in gimp is alwful
[15:45] <Pentarex> :(
[15:45] <Fridolf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[15:45] <Fridolf> install w32codecs
[15:46] <Fridolf> You'll find the codev in /usr/lib/codecs/msgsm32.acm
[15:46] <batis610> BluesKaj: my question is: how can i find my conversation history on 'Konversation client'?
[15:46] <Fridolf> copy or link it to the wine windows/system32 directory
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Pentarex, try gimpshop/windows version..it runs better in wine on my setup, than gimpshop linux
[15:47] <rofl> somebody knows how to get the startmenu as displayed in vixta.org (looks vistaish) in kubuntu ?
[15:47] <n1tro> Fridolf:  i find the codecs where..?
[15:47] <Fridolf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[15:48] <BluesKaj> batis610, you have to turn logging on in konversation ...it will save the text ...unfortunately you can't go back and look, if it's turned off right now
[15:48] <Fridolf> it's called w32codecs and is a pack of windows codecs which might be nice to have
[15:48] <hydrogen> if it was in this channel batis610..
[15:48] <Fridolf> among them is the gsm codec ventrilo uses
[15:48] <hydrogen> !logs | batis610
[15:48] <ubotu> batis610: Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[15:49] <Fleck> wheres the intel-hda sound driver?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> right on , hydrogen ..good to know :)
[15:50] <Pentarex> where is the hand tool in gimp
[15:50] <Pentarex> the pointer
[15:51] <Fridolf> Hmm, what does the pointer do?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> Fleck, prolly on the intel -sound site
[15:51] <Pentarex> how to tell it
[15:51] <Fleck> after kubuntu update i have no sound :(
[15:51] <Fleck> snd-hda-intel module is missing
[15:51] <Fleck> so stupid
[15:51] <Pentarex> when the text is marked i want to unmarked
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: yeah, it's dreadful, but gimp is the best image editor at the moment I'm afraid.
[15:51] <rofl> why does xserver-xorg suck that much ? you cannot even choose the refreshrate you like. in vesa its even worser, always 60 hz
[15:51] <jussi01> !intelhda | Fleck
[15:51] <ubotu> Fleck: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[15:52] <Fridolf> I kinda like gimp alot more than photoshop for photo editiing and restoring
[15:52] <SlimeyPete> Pentarex: there are other apps (like scribus and inkscape) which are more text-oriented but they are DTP apps rather than photo editors
[15:52] <Fridolf> but not for making new pictures and filters and stuff
[15:52] <Pentarex> Fridolf: ok tell me how to unmark the text ?
[15:53] <Fridolf> hmm, esc!
[15:53] <Fridolf> ?
[15:53] <Pentarex> nope :(
[15:53] <Pentarex> i have a one scan CV and i want to add some text
[15:54] <Pentarex> but omg i have to go in college to do that :P
[15:54] <Fridolf> Open layer box with Ctrl + L
[15:54] <Fridolf> and just select another layer :)
[15:54] <Pentarex> yes 10nx a lot :)
[15:54] <Pentarex> omg where do u study :P
[15:55] <Fridolf> Pentarex: Are you asking me?
[15:56] <Pentarex> Fridolf: i am joking.... i was saying if u want to use gimp u have to go in college and u give me the right answer
[15:56] <Pentarex> Fridolf: it was a joke
[15:56] <Fridolf> haha okey :P
[15:56] <hydrogen> yea
[15:57] <hydrogen> the gimp ui definatly looks like it was designed by a five year old with a box of crayons
[15:57] <Fridolf> Anyway I am taking a photography course right now :P It pwn =D
[15:57] <Fridolf> Hydrogen: Just use another theme
[15:58] <Pentarex> bye bye for now and 10nx a lot
[15:59] <n1tro> Fridolf:  i installed the files but i have no codecs folder in my computer
[15:59] <Fridolf> n1tro: /usr/lib/codecs/msgsm32.acm
[16:00] <Fridolf> copy that to your wine windows/system32 dir
[16:00] <n1tro> yeah i tried but there's no folder codecs where to copy from
[16:00] <Fridolf> hmmm are you sure you installed w32codecs correctly?
[16:01] <n1tro> nope :(
[16:01] <Fridolf> well you have to do that :)
[16:01] <n1tro> that page of yours was a mess for me :E
[16:01] <n1tro> i just copypasted that stuff to console
[16:01] <Fridolf> okay...
[16:01] <BluesKaj> BBL , errands ...again
[16:02] <Fridolf> Well, read this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Ventrilo_Via_Wine
[16:02] <reagleBRKLN> hi just upgraded to 4.0.1 packages, but still can't resize/move panel, perhaps this was only for SUSE?
[16:05] <rofl> is there a package for windows fonts ?
[16:05] <LamerMan> is KDE4 worth to upgrade to it from KDE3? :) or should i wait a little bit more?
[16:05] <jussi01> wait
[16:05] <LamerMan> why, is it still unstable?
[16:06] <jussi01> LamerMan: of course... if you want stable, i recomend to wait till 4.1
[16:06] <rofl> which kee version is in gutsy?
[16:07] <rofl> kde
[16:07] <jussi01> 3.5.8 rofl
[16:07] <FaiDillinGer> id wait a little more if i was you
[16:09] <rofl> if you dont have a new nvidia, its nearly impossible to get a hardware accelerated desktop under freebsd
[16:10] <rofl> ati dont produce a driver
[16:10] <rofl> those lamers
[16:10] <rofl> and the linux drivers crash continously
[16:10] <jesus> hey xD
[16:12] <n1tro> hey can someone copypaste what fridolf just said a while ago about those file paths
[16:12] <n1tro> please
[16:12] <n1tro> i had to reboot
[16:12] <rofl> [17:02] <Fridolf> Well, read this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Ventrilo_Via_Wine
[16:12] <n1tro> no not that one
[16:13] <n1tro> where he said move files from this path to another
[16:13] <rofl> [16:59] <Fridolf> n1tro: /usr/lib/codecs/msgsm32.acm
[16:13] <rofl> [17:00] <Fridolf> copy that to your wine windows/system32 dir
[16:13] <n1tro> okay thanks a lot :))
[16:15] <niall_> oh man, I can't remember how UML works at all
[16:15] <psi_> hi all
[16:15] <psi_> i have just plugged in my usb hard drive witch is formatted in ntfs how do i mount it? thanks
[16:16] <rofl> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/usbxy /media/usbdisk
[16:16] <rofl> you have to create the media folder first
[16:16] <psi_> rofl: thanks but how do i know witch usb device it is?
[16:17] <NickPresta> what is the proper way to close my Xephyr session with KDE4? Do I just close the xterm/etc?
[16:17] <rofl> dunno :)
[16:17] <psi_> i have already created media folder
[16:17] <psi_> how would i find out
[16:17] <rofl> look at the files in /dev
[16:17] <psi_> ok what am i looking for
[16:17] <rofl> something like usbd0 i guess
[16:17] <lontra> where would someone request a backport?
[16:18] <psi_> i have a usblp0
[16:18] <lontra> i've got the latest R from r-project's ubuntu repo and i'd like to request a newer version of rkward to be backport
[16:18] <kiefer> Hello all :)
[16:18] <rofl> you could unplug the disk and then compare the /dev to earlier version
[16:18] <NickPresta> lontra, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[16:18] <NickPresta> hi, kiefer
[16:19] <niall_> how do I setup a mysql database?
[16:19] <lontra> NickPresta: thanks
[16:20] <rofl> niall i would install phpmyadmin and use that
[16:20] <niall_> hmm
[16:20] <niall_> ok
[16:20] <NickPresta> niall_, there is phpmyadmin, kmysqladmin to help with creating and editing databases
[16:21] <niall_> which is best?
[16:21] <rofl> kmysqladmin is probably easier to use
[16:21] <NickPresta> phpmyadmin requires PHP, a webserver, and a browser to use. kmysqladmin doesn't :)
[16:21] <niall_> well I'm going to be developing in PHP
[16:22] <niall_> so I've got that already ;]
[16:22] <NickPresta> niall_, then you probably already have a LAMP type setup. I prefer kmysqladmin but I don't mind phpmyadmin either. I sometimes even use `mysql` ;)
[16:22] <niall_> LAMP?
[16:23] <NickPresta> Linux Apache MySQL/MSSQL PHP/Python/Perl
[16:23] <niall_> yeah :}
[16:24] <niall_> oh, how do I change where apache is pointing? that is to say the directory is serves to 127.0.0.1
[16:24] <rofl> are there some fonts with fixed width like courier in the default kubuntu install ?
[16:24] <rofl> look in the httpd.conf
[16:24] <NickPresta> niall_, you need to edit your apache conf file. I forget where it is placed by default when you install Apache via the repos. look for something called apache.conf or httpd.conf
[16:25] <NickPresta> rofl, there is 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono', 'Andale Mono', 'Deja Vu Sans Mono', and 'Freemono' to name a few
[16:26] <rofl> NickPresta: is there something that lets me see if the font is fixed-width ?
[16:26] <NickPresta> rofl, usually, fonts that end in 'mono' are monospaced fonts
[16:27] <rofl> thx
[16:27] <hydrogen> or are sick
[16:27] <hydrogen> one of the two
[16:27] <rofl> lol
[16:27] <NickPresta> heh
[16:27] <NickPresta> you can also try 'gfontview' for a font viewer for Type 1 and TrueType fonts.
[16:28] <rofl> that has to be installed first
[16:28] <NickPresta> rofl, yep.
[16:29] <niall_> httpd.conf is empty :z
[16:29] <NickPresta> niall_, the file should be somewhere in /etc/apache or something similar
[16:29] <rofl> look in /etc/apache2
[16:29] <jason> the ubuntu install for apache does not use httpd.conf, it uses apache.conf
[16:29] <niall_> yeah, i looked in there, there's a file called httpd.conf, there's just nothing in it
[16:29] <NickPresta> ah okay. thanks jason
[16:30] <niall_> ah ha
[16:30] <niall_> right, ServerRoot, is that what I change?
[16:30] <rofl> yep
[16:31] <niall_> neat
[16:31] <rofl> except you wanna use virtual servers
[16:31] <dewitt> tell me how to close adept when i don't see it,
[16:31] <rofl> ps aux
[16:31] <rofl> then kill  processid
[16:31] <NickPresta> !aptfix | dewitt
[16:31] <ubotu> dewitt: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:32] <niall_> virtual servers?
[16:32] <rofl> yes for hosting more than one domain
[16:32] <rofl> google for it
[16:32] <NickPresta> niall_, do you want to change where your configuration and log files are kept or where you can place documents to get them on the web?
[16:33] <niall_> NickPresta: place my HTML and PHP files. I'm not going to be serving to the web though, I'm just going to test things locally then upload them to my FTP
[16:34] <NickPresta> niall_, then you want to change your DocumentRoot option. Leave ServerRoot alone.
[16:34] <NickPresta> niall_, and change ServerRoot back to whatever it was before.
[16:35] <NickPresta> niall_, you can create a folder called 'public_html', 'www' or whatever in your home directory and then change your DocumentRoot variable to '/home/USERNAME/public_html' and place your files in there. Apache will serve them
[16:36] <hydrogen> or you can use mod_userdir
[16:37] <hydrogen> which is a fairly common thing
[16:37] <Nyle> fuck you
[16:38] <hydrogen> he's pretty creative..
[16:39] <rofl> -.~
[16:40] <rofl> soembody tried linuxmint ? that looks quite nice and is ubuntu based
[16:42] <NickPresta> rofl, I've heard good things about linux mint
[16:42] <rofl> i.e ?
[16:43] <rofl> the kde version should be out soon
[16:43] <jason> I thought mint was just ubuntu with the propietary drivers installed at installation instead of having to install them yourself
[16:44] <rofl> afaik it also offers the codecs and a nicer startmenu/look
[16:45] <rofl> NickPresta: in which folder are the kuduntu default fonts to look at in gfontview ?
[16:47] <PriceChild> !mint | rofl
[16:47] <ubotu> rofl: The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (support in #linuxmint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate
[16:47] <RMC> hi
[16:48] <rofl> why does gtk+ look so crappy ? look like win3.1
[16:48] <kaminix^> A new Skype version was just released, when can I expect it in Medibuntu repos? :)
[16:48] <RMC> has anyone got any good newbie websites
[16:48] <RMC> for python
[16:48] <RMC> ?//
[16:49] <SlimeyPete> RMC: the tutorial in the docs section of python.org is good
[16:49] <stdin> rofl: if you want to discuss the ascetics of GTK+ vs Qt do it in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:49] <rofl> stdin: k
[16:50] <RMC> thanks slimey pete
[16:50] <smeril> how can i make a second user account?
[16:50] <SlimeyPete> adduser
[16:50] <Vermux> so wazzz up?
[16:50] <smeril> thankz
[16:50] <SlimeyPete> "sudo adduser <username>"
[16:50] <stdin> or use the GUI
[16:51] <stdin> system settings > User Management
[16:51] <rofl> how can i login at the tty7 with root ?
[16:52] <SlimeyPete> rofl: there is no root in kubuntu
[16:52] <SlimeyPete> unless you made one
[16:52] <n1tro> hey somebody know a teamspeak server? anything i just wanna test if it works ;o
[16:52] <stdin> use "sudo -i" to get a root shell
[16:52] <NickPresta> rofl, login as yourself and `sudo -i`
[16:52] <rofl> if adduser then its there but i cant still login graphically
[16:53] <SlimeyPete> rofl: the login manager won't let root log in. You can change this in your KDM settings (/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc)
[16:53] <rofl> SlimeyPete: thx
[16:54] <NickPresta> I loved the root login settings in Debian. The background image is rows and rows of bombs and such. The cursor is a death head, etc. Really made you remember you're root. heh
[16:54] <rofl> ;)
[16:55] <rofl> some apps i.e. lazarus wont let you do much without root privileges
[16:55] <NickPresta> rofl, `kdesu GUI_APP`
[16:55] <stdin> that's why we have sudo/kdesu
[16:55] <trojan_force> does anybody know how many people program python ?
[16:56] <rofl> ah kdesu its called.. thx
[16:56] <sub[t]rnl> trojan_force➜ 7
[16:56] <NickPresta> trojan_force, worldwide? For *buntu? What do you mean?
[16:56] <trojan_force> world wide yh
[16:56] <trojan_force> nah i just need a rough idiea
[16:56] <rofl> you should make a poll on your website, trojan_force
[16:56] <kiefer_> (Just popping in before turning off my laptop) - Hey Sub :)
[16:57] <trojan_force> kk thans rofl
[16:57] <sub[t]rnl> greetings kiefer_
[16:57] <rofl> =)
[16:57] <kiefer_> How are you sub? good I hope
[16:57] <sub[t]rnl> yup yup
[16:57] <kiefer_> 'rofl' : ever get the idea people are laughing at you? :)
[16:57] <kiefer_> Well, im off to bed, night all
[16:58] <NickPresta> trojan_force, check out: http://python.org/about/success/
[16:59] <tomahasamoot> The sensons utilty is telling me a much different CPU temp from the BIOS.  Sensons says temps range from the upper 50s to mid 60s.  So I went into the BIOS to change the fan settings, but the BIOS said 38-39.  What gives?  I've got an Intel Q6600, a Gigabyte motherboard, and I'm running Kubuntu 7.10 amd64.  The sensors pkg is libsenors3, with it87 and coretemp kernel modules.
[17:00] <n1tro> hey is it normal that i can't speak in teamspeak with my kubuntu
[17:02] <psi_> i have windows xp dual booted with kubuntu 7.10/kde4 but every time i want to boot windows i have to enable acpi in bios why won't kubuntu work with acpi?
[17:02] <sub[t]rnl> tomahasamoot➜ when you rebooted to your bios, the processor activity slowed, and the cpu cooled?
[17:04] <tomahasamoot> sub[t]rnl: I don't think so, it was such a short time.  Plus, as soon as I got logged in, it was showing the temp in the low 60s... but it might change that fast?
[17:04] <sub[t]rnl> mine sure does.  When I'm encoding video it runs hot, but the second I stop the temp drops drastically
[17:08] <TooEarly_> how do i over burn a dvd?
[17:09] <softvision> hi im on the kubuntu livecd. im trying to install kubuntu but it isnt detecting my partitions in the installer. its just showing /dev/sda. dolphin shows my partitions but doesnt let me mount them saying "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999". can someone help me?
[17:11] <softvision> TooEarly_: in k3b go to settings->advanced and check allow overburning
[17:15] <mrdlouisd> I've been trying for some time to remove the boot flag from a pen drive. Im new to linux, and cant seem to find a guide to help me. I've umounted it tried it, but I can't seem to touch it.
[17:16] <niall> I added DocumentRoot to my apache2.conf but it hasn't changed anything
[17:17] <blizzzek> hi
[17:18] <rofl> maybe apache2 -k restart, niall
[17:18] <rofl> what does the command "touch" do ?
[17:19] <niall> no change
[17:27] <rofl> niall: you have to edit /sites-enabled/000-somethin
[17:27] <rofl> in the etc/apache2
[17:28] <rofl> that is the configuration for the dafault virtual host
[17:28] <rofl> documentroot is there as you c.
[17:36] <spiroo> Hi, I wonder if there is Kubuntu 7.10 with KDE 4.0.1 avalable as LiveCD?
[17:36] <rofl> no
[17:37] <spiroo> okay then, anyone know if it is possible to make GlobeTrotter HPSDA work in Kubuntu?
[17:37] <spiroo> *HSDPA
[17:37] <rofl> ya have ta wait for the 8.04 release
[17:38] <spiroo> for KDE4.0.1 or GlobeTrotter?
[17:38] <rofl> kde
[17:39] <trojan_force> no globtroter would be better
[17:39] <trojan_force> jokin
[17:39] <spiroo> damn, I hate to wait :P I waited several months for KDE4 and it was delayed, and when released a whole lot of bugs, why did they not wait a little more instead :P
[17:40] <jussi01> spiroo: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 ;)
[17:40] <spiroo> GlobeTrotter would be nice to get working, because I cannot use Internet for the moment in Kubuntu :(
[17:40] <genii> !info nozomi | spiroo
[17:40] <spiroo> jussi01: I do not need support for that
[17:40] <ubotu> spiroo: Package nozomi does not exist in gutsy
[17:40] <genii> hmm
[17:41] <spiroo> genii: I have tested nozomi, does not work at all
[17:41] <genii> spiroo: I have on my 7.10 box nozomi listed, but then again I have some nonstandard repos
[17:42] <spiroo> genii: Hmm okay, but I never get it to work with KPPP or Nozomi.
[17:44] <spiroo> Is it not possible to get GlobeTrotter to work out of the box? I do not know how to do it manually
[17:48] <spiroo> anyone?
[17:49]  * ScorpKing waves..
[17:50] <genii> spiroo: I don't use any 3G adapters yet, so not much help. There seems to be a forum relating specifically to these cards and linux at http://www.pharscape.org/component/option,com_forum/Itemid,68//
[17:51] <niall> it's still not working ;/
[17:52] <Cavallito> I have some problems. My keboard works ok at the start but then suddenly space and all keys stoped to repat the char if I hold the key. So if I hold key "d" I just get one d not dddddd :) ? Where is the problem. I dont know any other way how to describe this :/
[17:54] <vesimaenaudio> anyone use "Pretec Introduces The 2GB i-Disk Touch" -usb memory in kubuntu?
[17:54] <vesimaenaudio> http://www.fahad.com/pics/pretec_4gb_i-disk_touch.jpg
[17:55] <jussi01> vesimaenaudio: not me, do you have a problem with it?
[17:55] <spiroo> genii: okay, thanks nayway
[17:56] <mathew_> help
[17:57] <mathew_> when ever i hover on anything on the task thing at bottom it opens and closes
[17:57] <mathew_> then flashes on and off rapidly
[17:57] <mathew_> why
[17:57] <vesimaenaudio> jussi01: yes i have
[17:58] <mathew_> also my mouse moves on its own
[17:58] <NickPresta> mathew_, has this always been a problem? Running Gutsy?
[17:58] <mathew_> just happened
[17:59] <mathew_> after i tried to fix my xorg problem
[17:59] <NickPresta> mathew_, what did you do to 'fix' your problem? Does undoing what you did fix the task bar issue?
[17:59] <mathew_> even after i take baterys out my mouse the mouse moves
[17:59] <jussi01> !anyone | vesimaenaudio
[17:59] <ubotu> vesimaenaudio: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[18:00] <mathew_> i didnt do anything to fix the taskbar i was trying to fix a dual montoir problem
[18:00] <mathew_> then it wudnt boot due to a bad xorg
[18:00] <mathew_> so i deleted it and made a new one
[18:00] <elleniad> bannthiss> KLINE AT LEAST
[18:00] <mathew_> well
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[18:00] <mathew_> copied a backup
[18:00] <elleniad> bannthiss> KLINE AT LEAST
 MOTHE%RVCUFCKER
[18:00] <elleniad> bannthiss> KLINE AT LEAST
[18:00] <mathew_> now its wird
 MOTHE%RVCUFCKER
[18:00] <elleniad> bannthiss> KLINE AT LEAST
 MOTHE%RVCUFCKER
[18:00] <NickPresta> elleniad, stop spamming the channel.
[18:00] <elleniad> bannthiss> KLINE AT LEAST
 MOTHE%RVCUFCKER
[18:01] <elleniad> now its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wirdnow its wird
[18:01] <elleniad> jaaajaajjajajajaaj
[18:01] <elleniad> hey
[18:01] <elleniad> fguck u
[18:01] <elleniad> faggot
[18:01] <NickPresta> !ops
[18:01] <ubotu> ops is Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[18:01] <NickPresta> thank you. :)
[18:01] <nixternal> thanks for the alert :)
[18:01] <Jucato> :/
[18:01] <NickPresta> mathew_, you created a new xorg.conf from scratch?
[18:01] <mathew_> no i copied from backup
[18:02] <nixternal> that moron is now messaging me what he was spamming in here...hahahaha
[18:02] <nalioth> nixternal: you can pull that ban
[18:02] <NickPresta> nixternal, heh.
[18:02] <mathew_> i fail to understand what xorg got to do with my mouse :S
[18:02] <nixternal> nalioth: roger
[18:02] <NickPresta> mathew_, well, you have to tackle each problem one at a time
[18:03] <mathew_> huh lol i was i created another problem
[18:03] <NickPresta> mathew_, well, I would start with using the last known 'good' xorg.conf (that doesn't cause taskbar or dual monitor problems), and then do  what you did to 'fix' your X problems, one change at a time, to see what is causing the flashing taskbar issue.
[18:03] <mathew_> fixing my xorg made this happen
[18:03] <mathew_> i dont get how xorg can do this
[18:03] <NickPresta> mathew_, yes, undo your 'fixes'. Clearly the fix caused another problem :)
[18:04] <mathew_> it didnt
[18:04] <mathew_> it created non boot
[18:04] <mathew_> so i fixed the non boot by using the backuped one
[18:04] <mathew_> now i have this dodgy thing
[18:05] <NickPresta> well, I don't know how to diagnose a possessed mouse or flashing taskbar without an indication of what could have caused it, especially since you said it started happening after you fixed X
[18:06] <Tecumseh> good evening
[18:06] <NickPresta> hi, Tecumseh
[18:06] <vesimaenaudio> ubotu: sorry..my english is so bad and is hard explain my problem in english. im from finland
[18:06] <NickPresta> vesimaenaudio, ubotu is a bot. he is not a real person.
[18:07] <NickPresta> !fi | vesimaenaudio you can try here
[18:07] <ubotu> vesimaenaudio you can try here: Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[18:07] <Tecumseh> I'm (still) having troubles installing azureus. It keeps crashing just after startup. I have gone through a dozen forumpages and guides but still no luck. Is there anybody that can give me a working sollution? I'm on Kubuntu Gutsy
[18:07] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, what happens when you run azureus from the console? What sort of output do you get? Feel free to use a pastebin if the output is greater than 3 lines
[18:08] <NickPresta> !pastebin > Tecumseh
[18:08] <Tecumseh> I know about pastebin NickPresta :P
[18:08] <NickPresta> :)
[18:09] <Tecumseh> Owh, for the record because it's kinda important. I'm on 64-bits Gutsy...
[18:09] <NickPresta> okay.
[18:09] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: yeah, i know this finland channel but there is not anyone who know some this memory
[18:10] <NickPresta> vesimaenaudio, okay. try and explain your problem again. I will do my best to help you.
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> listen up guys
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> the first linux distro that will rule the world have two essential things:
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> KDE >= 3.5.8
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> and
[18:10] <yao_ziyuan> immediate availability of east asian language display (Unicode) and input
[18:11] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, thanks for the insight.
[18:11] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: okay...i try
[18:11] <Tecumseh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55001/
[18:11] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu already has the former
[18:11] <yao_ziyuan> but lacks the latter
[18:12] <yao_ziyuan> i tried PCLinuxOS 2007 and it seemed to have both (but a KDE < 3.5.8)
[18:12] <yao_ziyuan> now i'm downloading its 2008 version which includes KDE 3.5.8
[18:12] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, okay.
[18:13] <yao_ziyuan> as long as you guys still can't figure this essence out, kubuntu is crap.
[18:13] <yao_ziyuan> and windows still rocks
[18:13] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: you got the pastbin line I put in there?
[18:13] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, yep. I'm searching around Google now
[18:14] <Tecumseh> I did have it working on my previous installation but I did a reinstall because of another harddrive. Still have the old drive attached to this pc
[18:15] <Xbehave> !emerald
[18:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:15] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, according to the azureus wiki, it means your router doesn't support UPnP or someone on your LAN is using the UDP port. First, try port forwarding the port in question (20931) to your computer.
[18:15] <Xbehave> how do i get themese for emerald in gutsy (i want the gpl1s ive managed to get the non gpl)
[18:16] <stdin> Xbehave: emerald is dead, it's svn site has been discontinued
[18:17] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: port is forwarded though.
[18:18] <Xbehave> yet another stab to the beryl users then
[18:18] <stdin> Xbehave: beryl is also dead
[18:19] <Tecumseh> brb, rebooting router
[18:19]  * Jucato hands stdin a shovel
[18:19] <NickPresta> stdin, https://svn.generation.no/emerald-themes/ is still up for me. Importing the themes via the Emerald theme manager is broken. However, you can still save the *.emerald file and import it manually.
[18:19]  * stdin starts digging
[18:20] <stdin> NickPresta: the sire emerald used to host the majority of their themes stop responding a while ago, and all development seems to have stopped
[18:20] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: i place my stick to usb panel. And there in stick is two exe file. One is program, which start if i do this in XP. Program ask password or fingerprint to allow acces in memory-stick. How i acces in stick in kubuntu? Wine not work. I hope you understand..
[18:21] <NickPresta> stdin, ah okay.
[18:21] <NickPresta> vesimaenaudio, I understood, but I don't know of a solution to your problem off the top of my head, sorry.
[18:22] <vesimaenaudio> NickPresta: okay, thanks
[18:22] <trojan_force> what is the latest version of linux out at the momen t
[18:22] <trojan_force> ?
[18:22] <stdin> the 2.6.24 series I think
[18:22] <NickPresta> trojan_force, the latest stable version is 2.6.24 :)
[18:23] <trojan_force> kk
[18:23] <trojan_force> what do u use
[18:23] <trojan_force> ?
[18:23] <stdin> gutsy uses 2.6.22, hardy will use 2.6.24
[18:23] <trojan_force> okies
[18:24] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: it should be doable with pam auto mount stuff, what encryption is used?
[18:24] <spiroo> Is Hardy stable enough these days, or should you wait. I mean they are Alpha-phase for the moment.
[18:25] <stdin> spiroo: the answer to that depends on what type of user you are
[18:25] <TameLion> spiroo: If you have to ask, you should probably wait :)
[18:26] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: i dont know.. where i can see it?
[18:26] <Xbehave> spiroo: unless you want to report bugs your probably better just updating the kernel if you want it
[18:26] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, I haven't been able to find any helpful information regarding your specific issue. You may consider using another version of Java (perhaps java-gcj)
[18:27] <spiroo> stdin, TameLion: Well I am quite out of the box user, if I have music player, internet working I do not need much more than that.
[18:27] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: im not sure what program is used under windows?
[18:27] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: I have some progress. I have disabled upnp but it still crashes
[18:27] <Tecumseh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55005/
[18:27] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: i go and watch....need boot to XP
[18:27] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, is there any specific reason why you _have_ to use Azureus? Deluge i a similar replacement and KTorrent is just awesome.
[18:27] <spiroo> Xbehave: I am not out for the new core, would be KDE 4.0.1 in that case.
[18:27] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: i dont know much about cross platform encryption so im not going to be much help, there may be a way of seeing it without repooting
[18:28] <Cavallito> I have some problems. My keboard works ok at the start but then suddenly space and all keys stoped to repat the char if I hold the key. So if I hold key "d" I just get one d not dddddd :) ? Where is the problem. I dont know any other way how to describe this :/
[18:29] <stdin> spiroo: you can try it out, but I'd suggest keeping gutsy installed and install hardy on another partition. at this moment it's mostly working but that can change very quickly. test out the liveCD for a while before you decide
[18:29] <stdin> remember that it's still not officially supported yet so it's up to you to figure things out
[18:30] <Tecumseh> I tried KTorrent, but didn't get through the ip-blocking filter configuration
[18:30] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: maybe there is, if can look..i cant..in stick is only autorun.inf, AutoVerify.exe and fpclear.exe -files.
[18:31] <spiroo> stdin: Allright then :P Will probably try it out, I will get my Stable Internet Line very soon though, So I am not sure. Anyway, is there huge changes in Hardy, or what Is it to expect? Does not say to much on the website kubuntu.org
[18:31] <rofl> it should be possible to use utorrent.exe with wine
[18:31] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: its possible to use luks and the windows equivelenat or truecrypt across both platforms, there may also be others too
[18:32] <stdin> spiroo: it's only been developed for 3 months so far so there are more changes to come, but most are core changes right now
[18:32] <Tecumseh> rofl: I didn't install Kubuntu (or any linux distro for that matter) just to fall back to windows programs
[18:32] <spiroo> I must though say, everyone is working really effective, I mean they released KDE 4.0.1, and it is almost out for every single desktop system or what you call it :P
[18:33] <rofl> Tecumseh: you won't find some good linux replacement for every windows program
[18:33] <rofl> especially if you code yourself
[18:34] <Xbehave> will installing feistys theme package get around my emerald problem
[18:34] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875  Check near the middle, where John Dong explains the situation (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875/comments/117) and if you follow the posts, there appears to be a fixed up deb.
[18:34] <rofl> its easier to do my coding in delphi and run the app in wine than learning c++ and how to use those fancy widgetsets
[18:34] <spiroo> stdin: Allright, seems not to much changes. Then my personal opinion, says theres not to much to better up. Only make more of it :) Would love when Amarok 2, Kopete 1.0, KDE4.1, Decibel, KOffice2 is out.
[18:35] <Douglas_E> looking for help with setting up ssh server and router stuff! Totally lost newbie
[18:35] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: i hope its possible..but i still go and boot system. and check this program
[18:35] <rofl> Douglas_E: you will need a tutorial then, use google
[18:36] <Douglas_E> Been there done that.
[18:36] <Douglas_E> I have it all installed but can't get it to work
[18:36] <Douglas_E> I can get it to work for local though.
[18:36] <rofl> the router or ssl
[18:36] <stdin> spiroo: amarok2 technical preview 1 is the the PPA, kopete 1.0 is a while off yet and koffice2 is slightly broken atm, don't know much about decibel
[18:36] <NickPresta> Douglas_E, have you checked out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto
[18:37] <rofl> then open port 22 on your router and forward it to your linux machines ip adress
[18:37] <rofl> must be under applications/gaming on most routers
[18:37] <Douglas_E> NickPresta: yes
[18:38] <NickPresta> stdin, does amarok2 (1.80-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1) need to be run within a KDE4 session?
[18:38] <spiroo> stdin: okay :) It will take some time, I understand. It is just so hard when they release betas and previews. I install them directly most of the time :P
[18:38] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: thanks for the read, I fear I have seen this thread before and tried it. But I'll retry anyway
[18:38] <Douglas_E> rofl how do you open port 22 on the router?
[18:38] <stdin> NickPresta: I think it should run in a kde3 session, haven't tried though. it may need plasma running
[18:39] <spiroo> Now I just miss Photoshop CS3 for Linux/KDE :P Hopfully there will be now, when Adobe uses QT.
[18:39] <NickPresta> Tecumseh, okay. Give Deluge a try if you haven't. It's similar to Azureus.
[18:39] <NickPresta> stdin, okay. *tries*
[18:39] <rofl> Douglas_E: search for a menupoint like "applications and gaming or port forwarding " on your router
[18:41] <p_masho> can someone help with kde4 - I want to disable the helpful "popup" that happend when u hover over an application on the taskbar.. Its causing kde4 to freeeeeze for 30 seconds or so (not the desktop setting, window thumbnail)
[18:41] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: found it: AMD64 users: icedtea crashes on your architecture (icedtea bug)
[18:42] <I_V_A_N> help?
[18:42] <NickPresta> I_V_A_N, with what
[18:42] <I_V_A_N> i want to install ubuntu but i have xp
[18:43] <I_V_A_N> and i want to be able to run both systems for while
[18:43] <I_V_A_N> is it possible?
[18:43] <jpatrick> !dualboot | I_V_A_N
[18:43] <ubotu> I_V_A_N: Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[18:44] <I_V_A_N> thnx!
[18:44] <Douglas_E> rofl: would that be tcp forwarding? This is all hard because my router is german.
[18:44] <rofl> yes its tcp forwarding, Douglas_E
[18:45] <Douglas_E> rofl: I think I have it. Do I need to reboot or anything to test it?
[18:45] <rofl> Douglas_E: the router should apply the setting immediately, but you have to reboot it eventually
[18:45] <Douglas_E> rofl one other question, it says private or public?
[18:46] <rofl> public for outside(WAN) access
[18:46] <rofl> you can also choose another port . i.e. port 222 forwarded to 192.168.1.2 port 22
[18:47] <Douglas_E> rofl: kickbutt!!! IT is working!!
[18:47] <rofl> nice
[18:48] <maduser> where do i get the java development enviroment?
[18:48] <SlimeyPete> !java
[18:48] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[18:48] <SlimeyPete> maduser: in short, "apt-get install sun-java6-jdk"
[18:49] <SlimeyPete> sorry, "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk"
[18:49] <rdw> hello. anybody big into grub? i'm trying to boot a grub.iso off a cd but the computer always loads windows before grub even shows. yes, i do have correctly setup booting priorities
[18:49] <vbgunz> whats the matter with the latest flash ugrade?
[18:50] <vbgunz> it broke across konqueror and firefox, cannot see any flash movies :/
[18:50] <maduser> now with flash you need to download it from adobe and do a manual install
[18:50] <NickPresta> !flashissues | vbgunz
[18:50] <ubotu> vbgunz: The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If that is the case for your mirror, please wait a couple of hours.
[18:51] <vbgunz> I just got a flash update, downloaded it and it broke something that wasn't broken :/
[18:51] <vbgunz> was it supposed to fix something?
[18:51] <NickPresta> vbgunz, apparently it was supposed to fix the flash plugin problem
[18:51] <ScorpKing> rdw: you boor from the hard drive and then grub loads the cd from there?
[18:52] <rdw> no. mbr has windows vista. i'm trying to recover my previous grub configuration
[18:52] <vbgunz> damn... I didn't have a problem, I heard a while back people were having problems but that was a while ago :(
[18:52] <jeisma> anyone have any tips on kubuntu to free up some ram and speed up things?
[18:52] <HristoBG> NickPresta: can u help me m8
[18:52] <NickPresta> HristoBG, what do you need help with?
[18:53] <ScorpKing> !grub | rdw
[18:53] <ubotu> rdw: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: my hard drive is on two (etc. sda1 and sda2)
[18:53] <HristoBG> on sda1 is my kubuntu
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: on sda2 i like to have movies or music or other files
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: but i dont have rights to do that
[18:53] <HristoBG> NickPresta: permission
[18:54] <rofl> chown
[18:54] <hydrogen> no
[18:54] <hydrogen> mount it as the user
[18:54] <hydrogen> !mount
[18:54] <HristoBG> NickPresta: how i can create folder or something like that its says u dont have rights to do that
[18:54] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[18:54] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how
[18:54] <hydrogen> look at what ubotu just told ye!
[18:54] <rdw> cheers. hope it works
[18:54] <NickPresta> HristoBG, you need to mount your partition with read/write permissions.
[18:54] <HristoBG> ok ok 10nx :)
[18:54] <HristoBG> i will check it out
[18:55] <rofl> 10x ? nice
[18:55] <hydrogen> you forgot the n
[18:55] <HristoBG> i do not :)
[18:55] <rofl> it should work without it as well
[18:56] <HristoBG> ok in system settings advanced disk and file systems
[18:56] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: FPManager v1.0.2.028 is program which windows use
[18:56] <HristoBG> its mount in media/sda2
[18:57] <HristoBG> hydrogen: the linux says its already mounted in /media/sda2
[18:57] <rofl> then umount it and mount it again with R/W enabled
[18:58] <rofl> if its ntfs, use ntfs-3g
[18:58] <HristoBG> in the console to mount and unmount right
[18:58] <niall> how do I start mysql?
[18:58] <HristoBG> i am new in linux
[18:58] <rofl>  /etc/init.d/mysql start
[18:59] <rofl> HristoBG: what filesystem does your harddisk have
[18:59] <niall> permission denied, should I sudo it? :z
[18:59] <HristoBG> rofl:  xt3
[18:59] <HristoBG> ext3
[18:59] <rofl> niall: sure
[19:00] <HristoBG> rofl: ext3 :)
[19:00] <rofl> HristoBG: mmh ok
[19:01] <rofl> should be umount /media/sda2 & mount -t ext3 /media/sda2
[19:01] <hydrogen> no
[19:01] <hydrogen> that won't work
[19:01] <HristoBG> unmount
[19:01] <hydrogen> no
[19:01] <HristoBG> wrong :P
[19:01] <HristoBG> its says not found
[19:02] <Xbehave> vesimaenaudio: all i can find sugests that its a prop encryption method so it cant be used under linux, i take it wine didnt work because of driver stuff? id look for OSS eqivelent but the hardware looks wierd so it might be unusable
[19:02] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how then ?
[19:02] <naftilos76_> hi to everyone!
[19:02] <HristoBG> hi
[19:02] <naftilos76_> just got straight from fedora 8!
[19:02] <HristoBG> nice :)
[19:03] <naftilos76_> so...
[19:03] <naftilos76_> has anybody got a clue how i can type accents ?
[19:03] <naftilos76_> language is greek
[19:03] <naftilos76_> i can write it
[19:04] <HristoBG> what
[19:04] <HristoBG> u want to
[19:04] <naftilos76_> but i can't write accents!
[19:04] <HristoBG> wright on greek
[19:04] <naftilos76_> shall i repeat?
[19:04] <rofl> on windows you could do ALT-GR + ascii code
[19:04] <HristoBG> iaso :P
[19:04] <hydrogen> mm, I'm not sure how the how the language stuff works that well as I don't use it
[19:04] <hydrogen> I'm sure theres documentation about it
[19:04] <hydrogen> and I know its possible
[19:04] <HristoBG> ti kanis natfilos76
[19:05] <hydrogen> but I don't quite know the answer :)
[19:05] <hydrogen> !greek
[19:05] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[19:05] <HristoBG> sorry
[19:05] <hydrogen> maybe ask there?
[19:05] <hydrogen> dunno if it'll work
[19:05] <naftilos76_> no problem
[19:05] <naftilos76_> ela kanenas apo eladaaaaaaaaaaaa
[19:05] <HristoBG> what
[19:05] <NickPresta> !english
[19:05] <HristoBG> i know only ti kanis ( how do u do )
[19:05] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[19:05] <HristoBG> :)
[19:06] <rofl> !russian
[19:06] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[19:06] <HristoBG> !bulgarian
[19:06] <naftilos76_> that's a start!
[19:06] <HristoBG> :P
[19:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bulgarian - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:06] <rofl> nice a unicode irc client
[19:06] <trappist> anybody know of a good tool to go through a collection of audio files and automatically reencode files encoded above a certain sample rate?  I have some way-too-big mp3s.
[19:06] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how to unmount
[19:07] <NickPresta> trappist, I don't know of a GUI application but you can combine some simple bash scripting and `mencoder`.
[19:07] <naftilos76_> Kanenas kalos pou na milaei Elinikaaaa?
[19:07] <NickPresta> naftilos76_, this is an English only channel. Thanks.
[19:07] <trappist> NickPresta: I'm not afraid of the console, but what would I use to detect the sample rate of the existing files?
[19:07] <naftilos76_> sorry....getting out NOW!
[19:07] <trappist> NickPresta: keeping in mind I have mp3, mp4, flac, ogg, etc.
[19:08] <vesimaenaudio> Xbehave: okay..thanks. must boot to XP when need stick.
[19:09] <rofl> trappist: try wine with foobar 2000
[19:09] <trappist> rofl: looks promising-ish
[19:10] <rofl> watcha mean ?
[19:10] <hydrogen> emm
[19:10] <trappist> rofl: I mean, it could work
[19:10] <hydrogen> thats kind of a crazy way to do it
[19:10] <rofl> yes, i think so
[19:10] <The_ManU_212> hi
[19:10] <hydrogen> try uhh, transkode
[19:11] <hydrogen> I think it can do that
[19:11] <Xbehave> vmware is an option, im abit coFPManager, confused by the wine situation
[19:11] <hydrogen> not sure how well the filtering works, but worth a try
[19:11] <rofl> foobar is relatively straight-forward coded and doesnt use much winapi
[19:11] <Xbehave> doh stupid middle click "vmware is an option, im abit confused by the wine situation"
[19:11] <hydrogen> right, but its not the smartest way to go about doing it
[19:11] <hydrogen> when there are native applications that can do the same thing
[19:12] <The_ManU_212> i still use edgy and today i got a kernel update, i used adept and all ran normal as everytime but it crashed when i should get the popup for dist-upgrade
[19:12] <rofl> sure, but you have to know em and they have to be good
[19:12] <hydrogen> right
[19:12] <The_ManU_212> then i opened manually adept and ran apt-get update, i think all is installed fine
[19:12] <The_ManU_212> is that right?
[19:12] <trappist> rofl: looks like foobar is gonna require some wine hackery.  it instantly complains I'm not on XP
[19:12] <hydrogen> suggesting that people use win apps in wine for all of their needs gives a good case for just using windows
[19:13] <trappist> hydrogen: apt-cache search transkode doesn't come up with anything
[19:13] <Creationist> I'm trying to compile a Qt app by source, but get this error when running make: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7).  How can I fix this?
[19:13] <hydrogen> !search transkode
[19:13] <ubotu> Found:
[19:13] <Xbehave> trappist: set the windows version to xp should work
[19:13] <hydrogen> trappist: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=37669
[19:13] <rofl> and you should use the zipped version w/o installer
[19:14] <hydrogen> Creationist: you need to use qt4 rather than qt3
[19:14] <hydrogen> probably some update-alternatives foo
[19:14] <Xbehave> hydrogen: honesty suggests letting them make thier own mind up its not my job to sell ubuntu to them, if foobar is the best tool for the job then using it under wine is my recomendation
[19:14] <hydrogen> its trying to use uic3 to create a file from ui4
[19:14] <hydrogen> Xbehave: but who knows if it _is_ the best tool for the job
[19:14] <hydrogen> its the familiar tool, but if you are after familiarity then stay on windows
[19:14] <Creationist> hydrogen: Really?  Looks like it wants me to use 3 instead of 4.  Either way, how do I fix it?
[19:14] <brad_> oh hi
[19:15] <brad_> the ati driver install seems to think I'm running xorg 1.3.0
[19:15] <brad_> what gives?
[19:16] <Xbehave> who knows if anything is the best tool, vi vs emacs, i reomend what i know
[19:16] <rofl> brad, theres a script called ati.rb, use it to install the driver
[19:16] <brad_> how can i get my X version ?
[19:16] <trappist> there's also envy
[19:16] <trappist> brad_: X -version
[19:17] <hydrogen> Xbehave: then why not just reccommend using windows? I assume you know it better than linux if you are more familiar with programs on windows than linux
[19:17] <brad_> it says 1.3
[19:17] <NickPresta> trappist, you still there?
[19:17] <Creationist> I know Windows a lot better than Linux.  Yet I still use and recommend Linux more often ;)
[19:17] <trappist> brad_: I believe that's version 1.3 of the protocol, not the software
[19:18] <trappist> NickPresta: I think so, what's up
[19:18] <Creationist> I just keep Windows for gaming and video editing... neither of which is possible with Linux (at least not useful)
[19:18] <Creationist> I'm trying to compile a Qt app by source, but get this error when running make: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7).  How can I fix this?
[19:19] <NickPresta> trappist, http://pastebin.ca/894176 that uses mplayer to get information from audio/video files. You can use awk/grep/whatever to extract the information for rate comparison and such.
[19:19] <Xbehave> hydrogen: because i know about linux, if i only recomend a wine app if dont know of any stable linux tools, it has nothing to do with familiarity
[19:19] <rofl> Creationist: you have to install qt54
[19:19] <rofl> qt4
[19:19] <trappist> NickPresta: hey that's a pretty good start, thanks
[19:19] <Xbehave> *...i only recomend a wine app if...
[19:19] <Creationist> rofl: You happen to know exactly which package I need?  apt has  TON of different qt4 packages
[19:19] <brad_> trappist: I'll buy that
[19:19] <emilymare> webcam
[19:19] <brad_> I'm looking for the ati.rb
[19:19] <NickPresta> trappist, I used it when I wanted to get all files in my audio folder with a bitrate of 320kbps or higher.
[19:20] <hydrogen> hmm
[19:20] <rofl> brad_: look in google
[19:20] <hydrogen> it looks like its using uic4 but trying to compile with qt3.. actually
[19:20] <rofl> Creationist: wait a sec
[19:20] <hydrogen> which suggests.. interesting things
[19:20] <emilymare> hey does anybody of you now how i can make a webcam conversation with kmess
[19:20] <rofl> i think its qt4-core and qt4-dev
[19:21] <emilymare> ??
[19:21] <Creationist> rofl: libqt4-core and -dev, actually ;).  Thank you.
[19:21] <rofl> Creationist: yep :)
[19:21] <naftilos76_> Has anybody got any idea how i can type letters with accents? My language is greek? Anybody?
[19:22] <rofl> naftilos76_: ask in the greek channel
[19:22] <Creationist> geez... 96mb for qt4?
[19:22] <Creationist> naftilos76_: Look at the localization options.
[19:22] <Creationist> ~gr
[19:22] <Creationist> !gr
[19:22] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr και #kubuntu-gr για Έλληνες χρηστές  /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[19:22] <naftilos76_> checked all of that...
[19:22] <naftilos76_> many thanks!
[19:24] <hydrogen> !skim
[19:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:24] <naftilos76_> there is not a single sole in #kubuntu-gr....i guess they all turned windian...!
[19:24] <hydrogen> !scim
[19:24] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[19:24] <hydrogen> hmm
[19:24] <hydrogen> guess not
[19:24] <hydrogen> that won't help you :)
[19:25] <rofl> Creationist: i had to compile the whole qt4 from source, took around 4 hours on 3 ghz
[19:25] <hydrogen> mm
[19:25] <hydrogen> doesn't take me that long
[19:25] <hydrogen> and I'm compiling webkit at the same time
[19:25] <hydrogen> >_<
[19:26] <rofl> well actually i went to sleep after 2 hours... maybe it wsa even longer
[19:26] <rofl> and, its an amd
[19:26] <rofl> :)
[19:26] <n1tro> hi dudes, i was just thinking that if i need somekind of sound drivers or something for kubuntu?
[19:26] <n1tro> because other people have difficulties to here my voice in teamspeak
[19:26] <naftilos76_> can anybody please help me get back my old nick which is <naftilos76>? i can't understand how-to from the <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup>
[19:27] <n1tro> *ehar
[19:27] <n1tro> *hear
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> naftilos76_: you must not be registered
[19:27] <rofl> type /nick naftilos76
[19:28] <VampireKing> what were the quick key for complete name in konversation?
[19:28] <VampireKing> like auto-complete
[19:28] <nosrednaekim> !tab
[19:28] <rofl> tab?
[19:28] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:28] <hydrogen> I use four spaces myself
[19:28] <hydrogen> :x
[19:28] <naftilos76_> it says that it is registered!
[19:28] <rofl> hehe then youre wasted
[19:28] <naftilos76_> meaning?
[19:29] <HristoBG> how to mark as here
[19:29] <HristoBG> ?
[19:29] <rofl> you cannot change your name to that
[19:29] <VampireKing> nosrednaekim: works
[19:29] <HristoBG> not away
[19:29] <Xbehave> naftilos76_: did your conection get dropped? either theres a broken conection or somebody has stolen your name
[19:29] <hydrogen> it is a dropped connection
[19:29] <hydrogen> they come from the same ip
[19:29] <naftilos76_> there is no broken con whatsoever
[19:29] <rofl> or hes got a second client open
[19:30] <naftilos76_> and they don't come from the same ip
[19:30] <naftilos76_> i registered when i was in Greece
[19:30] <Pici> !ghost
[19:30] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[19:30] <naftilos76_> now, i am in Cyprous for good
[19:31] <hydrogen> err, they do come from the same ip
[19:31] <naftilos76_> oh, god ... what a mess
[19:31] <hydrogen> [Whois] naftilos76_ is n=naftilos@cpe-119315.ip.primehome.com (Manos)        [Whois] naftilos76 is n=naftilos@cpe-119315.ip.primehome.com (Manos,,,)
[19:31] <naftilos76_> how come?
[19:31] <hydrogen> you are connected twice good sir
[19:31] <deathoncity> please help..i have started using kubuntu 2 ours ago,i have used PCLinuxOS2007 'till now..on pclinux i was able to read the other 2 usb harddisk's ntfs format,but on this version of linux i cannot...what do i can do???
[19:31] <HristoBG> hydrogen: how to unmount sda2 :(
[19:31] <HristoBG> hydrogen: please help me
[19:32] <naftilos76_> sorry what was that? twice?
[19:32] <hydrogen> there are two of you connected
[19:32] <hydrogen> to this server
[19:32] <naftilos76_> ok....what do i do now?
[19:32] <ScorpKing> naftilos76_: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[19:32] <naftilos76_> thnks
[19:33] <ScorpKing> naftilos76_: thank Pici ;)
[19:33] <deathoncity> please help..i have started using kubuntu 2 ours ago,i have used PCLinuxOS2007 'till now..on pclinux i was able to read the other 2 usb harddisk's ntfs format,but on this version of linux i cannot...what do i can do???
[19:33] <Pici> :)
[19:33] <ScorpKing> !ntfs | deathoncity
[19:33] <ubotu> deathoncity: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[19:33] <fhd> hi. I'm wondering whether I should use apt-get dist-upgrade on a regular basis. Normaly, I don't see differences between upgrade and dist-upgrade, but with this KDE4 launchpad repository, dist-upgrade seems to be trying to install some unrelease packages which upgrade doesn't want to install. any clues?
[19:34] <ScorpKing> fhd: you should only use apt-get upgrade afaik
[19:35] <fhd> ScorpKing: well, I tend to use dist-upgrade because it seems to be updating some hold back packages which I prefer. However, I'm quite shock that it tries to actually install unreleased software
[19:35] <HristoBG> so no one will tell me how to unmount sda2 :(
[19:35] <rubikcube> hi, could someone please give me the md5 of the current kubuntu desktop (i386) cd iso image?
[19:36] <ScorpKing> fhd: it's because dist-upgrade is only to upgrade from one release to the next
[19:37] <rofl> rubikcube: that is printed on the download page
[19:37] <fhd> ScorpKing: the manpage says it has a different dependency handling. only good for distribution upgrade?
[19:37] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo umount /dev/sda2
[19:37] <HristoBG> umount ok
[19:37] <HristoBG> 10n
[19:37] <HristoBG> 10nx
[19:37] <rofl> rubikcube: for what the hell do ya need the checksum ?
[19:37] <rubikcube> rofl: I know, but I have the impression that there might be a wrong version on the site I downloaded it from
[19:37] <ScorpKing> !dist-upgrade > fhd
[19:38] <rubikcube> after a fresh install and trying to do an adept-update, it stoppen in the middle and told me it had to upgrade to 7.10 (although that's what I had installed, of course)
[19:38] <fhd> ScorpKing: thanks :D
[19:38] <ScorpKing> yw :)
[19:38] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i still have no rights to create folders in sda2 :(
[19:39] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: where to mount it ?
[19:39] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: what filesystem is it?
[19:39] <rofl> rubikcube: strange, but if you had errors on your cd, you would have had an error message at the installation
[19:39] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ext3
[19:39] <rofl> errors like crc
[19:40] <rubikcube> rofl: the cd is ok
[19:40] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: make a directory im /media for it and mount it there
[19:40] <ScorpKing> in*
[19:40] <HristoBG> a thnaks
[19:40] <rofl> rubikcube: maybe you try sudo apt-get update in a shell instead
[19:40] <rubikcube> or has there been an upgrade, like 7.10 -> (unoffical 7.10.a)?
[19:40] <rofl> rubikcube: not that i know
[19:40] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: that won't solve your permission problems btw. tell me when it's mounted
[19:41] <rubikcube> the upgrade hangs anyway, so I'll just try to update again
[19:41] <SlimeyPete> nah, there are no x.x[a-z] versions in kubuntu. 7.10 is the current version until 8.04 comes out.
[19:42] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: look
[19:42] <HristoBG> hristo@hristo-desktop:/media$ sudo mount /mnt/sda2
[19:42] <HristoBG> mount: can't find /mnt/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[19:43] <HristoBG> i create dir mnt in media
[19:43] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/<your_dir>
[19:43] <rofl> HristoBG: isnt it in /media/sda2
[19:43] <HristoBG> 10nx :)
[19:43] <rubikcube> so I'll just try and update only the kernel + apt/adept first...
[19:43] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: done :)
[19:44] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: now what
[19:44] <doilgheas> hi how can i start tomcat as user (without sudo)  and how can i start tomcat without the security manager? i've kubuntu 7.10 and tomcat5.5
[19:44] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /media/sda2/
[19:44] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: done
[19:44] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: try it now
[19:45] <HristoBG> aaaaaaaa
[19:45] <HristoBG> thank youuuuuuuu
[19:45] <HristoBG> :)
[19:45] <rubikcube> other strange thing was that in the live cd part of the install cd, the help page (on the very first install screen) directed to some 7.10 beta page, but I guess that's just something that people forgot to change for the final release
[19:45] <HristoBG> now i am going to watch North Ireland - Bulgaria !! GO GO BULGARIAAA :P
[19:45] <HristoBG> bye for now
[19:45] <HristoBG> and 10nx again
[19:45] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: add '/dev/sda2      /media/sda2           ext3    defaults        0       0' to /etc/fstab
[19:46] <HristoBG> a
[19:46] <HristoBG> ok
[19:46] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: that will mount it at boot.
[19:46] <HristoBG> now ists
[19:46] <HristoBG> its >
[19:46] <ScorpKing> :)
[19:46] <HristoBG> what to wright now ?
[19:46] <HristoBG> its not
[19:47] <HristoBG> hristo @hristo desktop --- >
[19:47] <HristoBG> its
[19:47] <HristoBG> >
[19:47] <Tecumseh> NickPresta: Thanks for the link, I have found the sollution. Azureus wasn't at fault here. There's a bug in icedtea-java7 for i86-64 that caused the azureus crashes
[19:47] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: if you don't add a line in fstab for it you'll have to mount it everytime you restart the computer
[19:50] <sd132> help, I had some updates, ran the updater but the updater  icon didnt go away?
[19:50] <naftilos76> If i may... when mounting a samba share (a hard disk connected to a wireless router ) what would the related fstab entry look like?
[19:51] <rubikcube> hmm, where does adept-updater write its logs to (if at all)?
[19:52] <rofl>  /var/log/apt
[19:52] <Creationist> I'm trying to compile a Qt app by source, but get this error when running make: uic: File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7).  How can I fix this?  I've installed qt4, but that didn't help.
[19:53] <stdin> Creationist: looks like it's a Qt 3 app, not a Qt 4 one
[19:53] <jack_spratt> kubuntu 7.10 wont work with my inspiron 1100 intel 845 video chipset
[19:54] <sd132> it still shows 11 updates that wont update
[19:54] <jack_spratt> i doubt itll make any difference but im testing ubuntu now too just in case
[19:54] <rubikcube> rofl: hmm, I've looked there already, but it didn't seem to write everything there... anyway, I'll try to reproduce the segfaults....
[19:54] <smeril> another process is using adapt i cant start it and i get a crash message aswell there is some easy command to fix this i have forgot
[19:54] <jack_spratt> can anyone help with this chipset and the drivers
[19:54] <naftilos76> in order to mount a samba share???? fstab entry???
[19:55] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix |  smeril
[19:55] <ubotu> smeril: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[19:55] <Creationist> stdin: That's what I thought, but several people told me it needs qt4, so I installed that.  But how do I tell it to compile with qt3?
[19:55] <stdin> naftilos76: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[19:55] <naftilos76> ok
[19:56] <stdin> Creationist: you'd use qmake-qt3 instead of just qmake
[19:56] <sd132> is the update broken?
[19:56] <Creationist> stdin: I've been using just make
[19:56] <stdin> Creationist: qmake should regenerate the Makefile
[19:57] <Creationist> stdin: Is this an error I can fix?        " WARNING: Found potential symbol conflict of dboxfe.cpp (src/dboxfe.cpp) in SOURCES"
[19:57] <stdin> Creationist: got a link to it? so I can have a look
[19:57] <smeril> it dosent work
[19:58] <naftilos76> Thanks <stdin> for the tip - great example!
[19:58] <jack_spratt> INTEL 845 VIDEO CHIPSET anyone EVER seen this work?????
[19:58] <Creationist> stdin: http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1968&release_id=12366  I have the 0.1.3 source
[19:58] <stdin> jack_spratt: don't SHOUT, 845 works on my server yeah
[19:59] <jack_spratt> stdin; ok, is the video working with anything except VESA?
[19:59] <Creationist> jack_spratt: My friend has the 845... worked flawlessly for her.
[19:59] <rofl> Creationist: why dontcha use the .deb file ?
[19:59] <sd132> nothing wil drive you crazier than updates that wont update
[20:00] <jack_spratt> Creationist: well Ive never seen this evil damned sh|tty chip work without a bios hack
[20:00] <stdin> jack_spratt: it works with the i810 driver and the intel one
[20:00] <root> hi i just installed kubuntu 7.10 then befor update anything i installed kde4. when i restarted my pc everythung now comes in text mode i cannt see any gui of kde4 i cannt login to the kde3 all in  text mode . i tried to alt+f8 i got this message/etc/rc2.d/s99kdm:75:genkdmconf-kde4:not found now how to get gui for kde4 or the kde3 i dont care i just cannt deal with text mode
[20:00] <sd132> well guess a restart couldnt hurt
[20:00] <Creationist> rofl: it's an older version.  Besides, I did try that and it gave an error too.
[20:01] <jack_spratt> stdin: Ok, well nomatter what distro I use or how, those drivers dont work for me. ever. period. I'd really appreciate some help before i shoot myself.
[20:01] <rofl> root: try startx command
[20:01] <Creationist> rofl: I'd be okay with an older version if it was 4 years old ;)
[20:01] <sd132> guess ill ask in #ubuntu
[20:01] <Creationist> wasn't*
[20:01] <rofl> lol
[20:01] <jack_spratt> stdin: pclos 2007, 2008, kubuntu, mandriva 2008, elive...etc etc, none work
[20:01] <mneptok> !root > root
[20:02] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: are u here
[20:02] <ScorpKing> yes
[20:02] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: so i wright
[20:02] <jack_spratt> stdin: old ios hack worked, nothing else, xor driver freezes it every time without fail.
[20:02] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: add '/dev/sda2      /media/sda2           ext3    defaults        0       0' to /etc/fstab
[20:02] <root> i tried to go in recovery mode and typed startx and it worked then i tried to run dpkg-reconfigure kdm  but still the same proplem
[20:03] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: yes. without the '
[20:03] <stdin> jack_spratt: check for errors in the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:03] <HristoBG> axaxa
[20:03] <HristoBG> op
[20:03] <HristoBG> and now
[20:03] <HristoBG> in the console
[20:03] <HristoBG> isni hristo@hristo-desktop
[20:03] <ScorpKing> !enter > HristoBG
[20:03] <HristoBG> its only >
[20:03] <HristoBG> ok sry
[20:03] <rofl> root: maybe apt-get install kubuntu-desktop does the job. remove it first though
[20:03] <stdin> Creationist: did you run ./configure ?
[20:03] <HristoBG> is this allright
[20:04] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok. im rebooting (again)
[20:04] <Creationist> stdin: Yes.  I get that error in ./configure as well.
[20:04] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: you want to edit fstab?
[20:04] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: you told me to do
[20:04] <HristoBG> but did i did it ?
[20:04] <root> sorry how to remove it im new in linux sorry
[20:04] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[20:04] <rofl> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[20:05] <rofl> or sudo apt-get remove kdm
[20:05] <sd132> hmm, i wonder why the updater says i have updates but wont update them...hmmm
[20:05] <root> ok i did removed it what to do now?
[20:06] <rofl> now install it
[20:06] <stdin> Creationist: can you pastebin the output of ./configure then?
[20:06] <rofl> same command but install instead of remove
[20:06] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: then wha to do its text file #uid something
[20:06] <rofl> and do apt-get update
[20:06] <root> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[20:06] <rofl> yes, with sudo
[20:06] <root> ok
[20:07] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: you have to add that line in that file. go to the bottom and write it there
[20:07] <HristoBG> aa 10nx
[20:07] <root> but there is small proplem it need the kubuntu cd i dont have it right now?
[20:07] <rofl> ahh
[20:08] <Creationist> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55014/
[20:08] <root> could i make it download for repos?
[20:08] <rofl> root: type "sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list", then remove the line taht starts with cdrom://, then press CTRL-X
[20:08] <rofl> and Y
[20:09] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i add it on the 10nd role
[20:09] <sd132> vetry strange. none  of my updaters work
[20:09] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: now save it
[20:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok so i booted up again and straight into cli
[20:10] <stdin> Creationist: ahh, I see now, you should do "sudo update-alternatives --config qmake" and select /usr/bin/qmake-qt4
[20:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: if i startx then itll freeze requiring hard reset
[20:10] <HristoBG> i save it but when i go to system setting  advanced panel drive i filesystem
[20:10] <HristoBG> its says cannot load look if u made some changes or updates
[20:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: presumably x has already failed though so there should be logs to see...?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: can you pastebin /etc/fstab plz?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> !paste > HristoBG
[20:11] <HristoBG> here ?
[20:11] <HristoBG> a ok
[20:11] <stdin> jack_spratt: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:11] <HristoBG> but what was the comman kate ?
[20:11] <Creationist> stdin: Hmm... that seems to have done it ;)
[20:11] <gregor_> hmm can i install KDE 4.0.1 on Kubuntu 7.10?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: kate is a text editor
[20:11] <Creationist> stdin: There's no way I would have figured that out even with Google.  Thank you.
[20:11] <HristoBG> yes what was the command ksudo ot what ?
[20:12] <NickPresta> Has anyone had any trouble with the newest flash update? I was unaffected by the flash bug...
[20:12] <jack_spratt> stdin:permission denied, whats the root password for livecd?
[20:12] <ScorpKing> !kdesudo > HristoBG
[20:12] <|test|> german channel for kubuntu
[20:12] <root> ok i removed it and  i tried to run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop i got this mesage
[20:12] <root> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:12] <rubikcube> I think what I just experienced is this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/174079
[20:12] <root> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[20:12] <|test|> ?
[20:12] <NickPresta> !de | |test|
[20:12] <Taras> i need halp with screen options
[20:12] <ubotu> |test|: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:12] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix | root
[20:12] <ubotu> root: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:12] <acee1234> why cant i write to my windows ntfs drive from 7.10?
[20:13] <ScorpKing> !ntfs-3g > acee1234
[20:13] <SlimeyPete> acee1234: should be able to, with ntfs-3g
[20:13] <stdin> Creationist: it took reading the configure script to figure out what it was doing, it only used qmake-qt4 when qmake wasn't found, but it's a link to qmake-qt3 on your system.
[20:13] <Agent_bob> !NTFS | acee1234
[20:13] <ubotu> acee1234: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[20:13] <jack_spratt> ? password
[20:13] <rofl> root: you have to run "sudo apt-get update" first
[20:13] <stdin> jack_spratt: there is no password, just use sudo
[20:13] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55018/
[20:13] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i think its this
[20:14] <root> ok i'll do it
[20:14] <jack_spratt> stdin: why cant I su to root then without a password?
[20:14] <Taras> i need to run my CRT at 1920x1200 and at 85Hz
[20:14] <Taras> and i dont know how
[20:14] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: hehe. it is already in there. remove the line you added again
[20:14] <stdin> jack_spratt: you use "sudo -i" to get to a root shell
[20:14] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ok 10nx :)
[20:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok
[20:15] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: its now ok ?
[20:15] <Taras> its at 1280x1024 and 61 hz
[20:15] <Taras> its painful
[20:15] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  ntfs-3g is installed
[20:15] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: if you removed and saved it yes. try sudo mount /media/sda2
[20:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: what?! even as root permission still denied
[20:15] <rofl> Taras:  same here ;) you need to configure your screen first and use a driver other than vesa
[20:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: hows that?
[20:15] <stdin> jack_spratt: what are you getting permission denied on?
[20:16] <HristoBG> i think its mounted
[20:16] <jack_spratt> stdin: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:16] <ScorpKing> acee1234: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/<disk> /<mountpoint>
[20:16] <Taras> ok, what driver should i use? and how do i configure the screen?
[20:16] <jack_spratt> stdin: even as root (?!)
[20:16] <rofl> Taras: use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then when it comes to the screen settings use expert mode
[20:16] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo umount /dev/sda2
[20:16] <stdin> jack_spratt: use "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[20:16] <Taras> k
[20:17] <root> ok man i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and i finished
[20:17] <rofl> you have to enter the refresh rate of your screen manually, but autodetection may already filled in the correct values
[20:17] <Agent_bob> and   "man less"   if you are not familear with it.
[20:17] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: fstab should look like this now - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55019/
[20:17] <rofl> root: now startx
[20:17] <Taras> its locked or something
[20:17] <acee1234>  ScorpKing: were can i find the data to define those variables
[20:17] <Taras> also im on a live disk
[20:17] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok thanks
[20:17] <Taras> because my windows got corruped, second time this month
[20:17] <ScorpKing> acee1234: man mount
[20:18] <rofl> Taras: whats locked ?
[20:18] <jack_spratt> stdin: bingo, now what am i looking for?
[20:18] <root> im in it i already in startx in recovery consol
[20:18] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ok i umount how to mount now in media/mnt :)
[20:18] <acee1234> ScorpKing: i meant what drive etc
[20:18] <|test|> ubotu thx
[20:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:18] <Taras> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[20:18] <rofl> root: good then, does it work ?
[20:18] <stdin> jack_spratt: lines that start with (EE) and (WW)
[20:18] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo mount /media/sda2
[20:19] <jack_spratt> stdin: btw this cli im at is in a small area of the screen, presumably because of 640x480 res due to vram bug. you know about that history right?
[20:19] <HristoBG> but i dont have rights in there
[20:19] <jack_spratt> stdin: im looking to ee and ww now thanks :)
[20:19] <HristoBG> i have permissions in /media/mnt
[20:19] <ScorpKing> acee1234: do you know what disk or partition it is and where you want to mount it?
[20:19] <Taras> 61 hz on a 24 inch screen is so painful
[20:19] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: i dont have permission in there i have in /media/mnt
[20:19] <jack_spratt> stdin: cyrillic font does neot exist (WW)
[20:19] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: how to mount it there
[20:19] <acee1234> ScorpKing: only the name "Trans"
[20:19] <val0> anyone here using mutt to check gmail?
[20:20] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: it will not mount in /media/mnt
[20:20] <root> look when i log in regular i got this proplem but if i go to recovery consol and type startx i got the graphical interface if i restart i went to textmode again
[20:20] <stdin> jack_spratt: it's more the (EE) ones, warnings about fonts aren't fatal
[20:20] <rofl> Taras: reboot and try the command then
[20:20] <jack_spratt> stdin: AHAH, heres the little bugg3r
[20:20] <acee1234> ScorpKing: /dev/sda3
[20:20] <Taras> reboot the live disk?
[20:20] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: but i cannot create folders now in sda2
[20:20] <rofl> root: but now it should run also in default mode
[20:21] <jack_spratt> stdin: its the same error i often get on other distros, "detecting sil164"
[20:21] <jack_spratt> stdin: please please tell me you know what that means
[20:21] <root> ok i'll restart and see ok
[20:21] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: sudo chown 1000:1000 -R /media/sda2/
[20:21] <ScorpKing> acee1234: where do you want to mount it?
[20:21] <Agent_bob> rolf 'reboot' ?     fuser /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[20:21] <rofl> Taras: ah now i understand, you use the cd
[20:21] <jack_spratt> stdin: "unable to read from DV0I2C_E Slaev 236"
[20:21] <rofl> well...then you cannot do much about it
[20:21] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: ok 10nx m8
[20:22] <jack_spratt> stdin: *slave
[20:22] <Taras> yeah, i just need an OS while windows is corrupted
[20:22] <ScorpKing> HristoBG: yw :)
[20:22] <HristoBG> ScorpKing: if i have problems i will right ;)
[20:22] <HristoBG> bye bye for now
[20:22] <ScorpKing> cheers
[20:22] <acee1234> ScorpKing: i guess were i see it mounted now under media
[20:22] <Taras> im trying to make a partition to intall it though
[20:22] <jack_spratt> stdin: "unable to read from DV0I2C_E Slave 112"
[20:22] <jack_spratt> stdin: i think those 3 errors are critical
[20:22] <rofl> Taras: yeah good idea. the partition resizer does work quite well
[20:22] <sd132> how do i update kde 4 files?
[20:22] <acee1234> ScorKing: its mounted under /media/trans
[20:22] <Taras> no it doesnt
[20:23] <acee1234> ScorpKing: remount with that command
[20:23] <lontra> what's the difference between the ppa kde3 packages and the standard ones in kubuntu?
[20:23] <Taras> gave me an error, it said: !
[20:23] <ScorpKing> acee1234: did you read any of the links ubotu gave you?
[20:23] <jack_spratt> stdin: please comment, nobody in a variety of channels/forums has been able to give advice on those errors so far, I really hope that you cab
[20:23] <jack_spratt> *n
[20:23] <ScorpKing> acee1234: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda3 /media/<mountpoint>
[20:23] <rofl> Taras: just "!" ?
[20:23] <Taras> yes
[20:23] <acee1234> ScoepKing: only got one and i skimmed over it
[20:23] <stdin> jack_spratt: try using "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" and selecting the i810 driver
[20:23] <Taras> i took a screenshot
[20:24] <sd132> is it safe to run  kde 3 and 4 on  the same system?
[20:24] <rofl> stdin: what does -phigh do ?
[20:24] <ScorpKing> acee1234: what does mount say?
[20:24] <lontra> sd132: yes in kubuntu
[20:24]  * lontra is on kde4
[20:24] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok will do, one minute
[20:24] <stdin> rofl: sets the debconf priority to high, limits the questions asked
[20:24] <Agent_bob> rofl -p priority
[20:24] <sd132> lontra, weel it dosent work for me
[20:24] <rofl> thx
[20:24] <lontra> sd132: did you follow instructions at www.kubuntu.org?
[20:25] <|test|> can anybody help me pls
[20:25] <|test|> need informations
[20:25] <acee1234> ScorpKing: that it isnt ntfs
[20:25] <sd132> lontra: yes and the updater has kde 4 files that it wont update
[20:25] <tekteen> !ask | |test|
[20:25] <ubotu> |test|: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:25] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:25] <lontra> sd132: did you install kde4-core?
[20:26] <acee1234> ScorpKing: under Disk $filesystems it shows it as "auto"
[20:26] <|test|> where can i get this packages
[20:26] <Taras> WTF it asks for a passowrd on a live  disk
[20:26] <ScorpKing> acee1234: where is that?
[20:26] <sd132> lontra: it runs just fine just started not updating the files
[20:26] <tekteen> |test|: which package?
[20:26] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:26] <|test|> this
[20:26] <tekteen> |test|: what language do you speak?
[20:26] <lontra> sd132: maybe it's b/c kde 4.0.1 just hit ppa
[20:26] <Agent_bob> acee1234 ?   let me see if i understand this.  "<ScorpKing> acee1234: what does mount say?" "<acee1234> ScorpKing: that it isnt ntfs"  <<<< it's mounted as something besides ntfs ?
[20:26] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  system settinging gui
[20:26] <ScorpKing> Taras: sometimes if the livecd does not boot correctly it asks for a password
[20:26] <|test|> german
[20:26] <|test|> and english
[20:26] <|test|> :P
[20:27] <sd132> lontra: ???
[20:27] <tekteen> !de
[20:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:27] <Taras> ...oyoyoy should i restart the live CD?
[20:27] <acee1234> is bob a bot?
[20:27] <stdin> no
[20:27] <ScorpKing> acee1234: you have to use ntfs-3g , not ntfs
[20:27] <lontra> sd132: kde4.0.1 just hit kubuntu and maybe there are still some kinks that need to be worked out
[20:27] <tekteen> |test|: that package is this?
[20:27] <|test|> the german are any ignorance
[20:27] <lontra> sd132: what are you trying to do just update?
[20:27] <tekteen> ok
[20:27] <tekteen> lol
[20:27] <acee1234> Agent_bob: yes
[20:27] <rofl> Taras: usually you click on install and follow the process
[20:27] <sd132> lontra: yes
[20:27] <Taras> i know
[20:28] <tekteen> |test|: which package do you want?
[20:28] <Agent_bob> acee1234 just what is it mounted as ?    vfat ?
[20:28] <Taras> its stuck on the language selection
[20:28] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: ntfs
[20:28] <acee1234> i typed sudo mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/sda3 /media/trans
[20:28] <Taras> and after that i remember there was no place to make a new partition
[20:28] <|test|> again
[20:28] <|test|> this
[20:28] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:28] <sd132> lontra: and it says it has   11 updates that  just wont update
[20:28] <|test|> need this
[20:28] <|test|> mono-runtime (>= 1.1.8.1), libglib2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libgnome2.0-cil (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-cil (>= 2.10.2), libmono-corlib2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono-system2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libmono2.0-cil (>= 1.2.4), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmono-winforms2.0-cil, libgdiplus, unrar
[20:28] <tekteen> ok
[20:28] <acee1234> Agent_bob:  i dont know
[20:28] <sd132> lontra: kde 4 updates
[20:28] <rofl> Taras: you need to choose expert mode, then resize an existing partition
[20:28] <ScorpKing> !paste > |test|
[20:29] <Agent_bob> acee1234 so type "mount"  and see what it says about it
[20:29] <Taras> ok, problem is im not an expert
[20:29] <lontra> sd132: have you tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:29] <venik> I am having trouble adding a WINDOWS network drive ... Kubuntu seems blind to the drives on my WINDOWS machine
[20:29] <sd132> lontra: no, let me try that
[20:29] <rofl> Taras: it's called manual partitioning
[20:29] <venik> I tried Remote PLaces/Network
[20:29] <ScorpKing> acee1234: let Agent_bob help you. i'm going to bed. have fun ;)
[20:29] <acee1234> ScorpKing:  thank you
[20:29] <tekteen>  |test|: I have no idea. sorry
[20:29] <venik> add a network folder
[20:30] <acee1234> Agent_bob:  ok did "fdisk-l" reported it as fat 32
[20:30] <rofl> Taras: you just have to create a swap partition 1.5 times the size of you ram, and one partiotion with ext3 for /
[20:30] <biagio> hello
[20:30] <The_ManU_212> i still use edgy and today i got a kernel update, i used adept and all ran normal as everytime but it crashed when i should get the popup for dist-upgrade
[20:30] <The_ManU_212> then i opened manually adept and ran apt-get update, i think all is installed fine
[20:30] <acee1234> Agent_bob: still can write to it and see anything in windows
[20:30] <The_ManU_212> is that right?
[20:30] <Taras> ok
[20:30] <acee1234> Agent_bob: cant
[20:30] <Taras> wait
[20:30] <Taras> brb restarting
[20:30] <Agent_bob> acee1234 you didn't do what i said tho
[20:30] <|test|> got here a non public beta
[20:30] <|test|> usenext_4.5.6_i386.deb
[20:31] <rofl> Taras: should be about 4 gigabyte big
[20:31] <acee1234> Agent_bob: looking for missed instruction
[20:31] <|test|> and this needs this package
[20:31] <lontra> someone should update the /topic as flash is fixed now
[20:31] <sd132> lontra: it says the packages ahve been kept back and not upgraded
[20:31] <Agent_bob> acee1234 type "mount"  and show me what mount says about that fs
[20:31] <lontra> sd132: then don't force them!  just wait ... ppa isn't a full repo
[20:31] <|test|> i should test it but has try what i can
[20:31] <sd132> lontra: ok thanks for the help!!!
[20:31] <|test|> and didn´t becoma it installed correct
[20:32] <lontra> sd132: np ... just remember ppa is sort of a testing ground
[20:32] <lontra> sd132: ppa is where kde4 comes from btw
[20:32] <|test|> cuz the version who my kubuntu allows to install didn´t match the needed
[20:32] <|test|> so i think must do it manual
[20:32] <pm1> hey :)
[20:32] <acee1234> Agent_bob: http://pastebin.com/m45f58838
[20:33] <Agent_bob> looking
[20:33] <sd132> lontra: do you think i should remopve kde 4 until   its fixed?
[20:33] <jack_spratt> stdin: that command only seems to result in changing the resolution, not the driver, what am i dong wrong?
[20:33] <pm1> hey could any1 help me
[20:34] <stdin> jack_spratt: it should ask for both, if not then you'll have to try without the -phigh
[20:34] <lontra> sd132: nope ... kde4 works fine keep ... if you want to remove it and reinstall it (not sure if that would fix it) go ahead ... what i'd suggest is commenting out that line in /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment it when you want to install kde4 stuff or upgrade packages
[20:34] <lontra> sd132: er if kde4 works for you keep it .
[20:34] <pm1> stdin ... cood u tell me how to uninstall kubuntu
[20:34] <acee1234> Agent_bob: im also interested in writing to sda5 but i dont want to mess with that partition tll i figure it out on another its an encrypted partition will all my taxes email backups etc
[20:35] <rofl> pm1: just install another distribution
[20:35] <Agent_bob> acee1234 and what is the exact device/inode that you are playing with right now ?
[20:35] <stdin> pm1: remove the partition it's installed on
[20:35] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok, i scrolled to the bottom as far as i could see... ill try without phigh
[20:35] <sd132> lontra: ok thanks, it seems to cause more problems than  fix so i think i  will uninstall   it
[20:36] <acee1234> Agent_bob: the what
[20:36] <pm1> is there not a rm code
[20:36] <lontra> sd132: so uninstall it based on the instructions at www.kubuntu.org and if you want to try again later when 4.0.2 is out or whatever just reinstall ;D
[20:36] <Agent_bob> acee1234 the location of the filesystem in question
[20:36] <Agent_bob> the inode name ?
[20:37] <acee1234> /dev/sda3(fat 32) and /dev/sta5(ntfs)
[20:37] <pm1> acee1234 .. is there a rm to unistall kubuntu ?
[20:37] <Agent_bob> so  /dev/sda3
[20:37] <Agent_bob> ?
[20:37] <acee1234> pm1: acee1234 rm?
[20:37] <venik> I am having trouble adding a WINDOWS network drive ... Kubuntu seems blind to the drives on my WINDOWS machine
[20:37] <venik> add a network folder
[20:38] <acee1234> yes
[20:38] <acee1234> dev3
[20:38] <sd132> lontra:can i just uninstall the kde  4 desktop package  will that work?( thanks again for the help!!)
[20:38] <jack_spratt> stdin: its asking me about how much vram I want, and saying the i810 needs specification, what should I put in kb? in the bios on the machine its set to 8mb...
[20:38] <pm1> is therer a rm code to unistall kubuntu ?
[20:38] <acee1234> dev/sda3
[20:38] <acee1234> what is rm code
[20:38] <Agent_bob> acee1234 and it's not incripted ?
[20:38] <acee1234> sda3 is not encrypted
[20:38] <stdin> jack_spratt: you can leave it blank if you want, but 8MB is 8192KB
[20:38] <lontra> sd132: possibly uninstalling kde4-core will do it ... you might need to run sudo apt-get autoremove after and look for any kde4 packages lurking around
[20:39] <jack_spratt> stdin: you sure leaving blank is OK?
[20:39] <acee1234> Agent_bob: what is rm code?
[20:39] <Agent_bob> k   sudo mount -o uid=000 /dev/sda3 /media/sda3
[20:39] <Agent_bob> acee1234 beets me what he meant.
[20:39] <stdin> jack_spratt: I've left it blank before, but it's up to you
[20:40] <jack_spratt> stdin: youve left it blank in conjunction with i810? im just concerned to get this right thats all
[20:40] <pm1> acee1234 cood u help me unistall kubuntu ?
[20:40] <Agent_bob> acee1234 he may have been asking for a command to rm (remove/delete)   some call commands  code
[20:40] <lontra> pm1: what do you want to do with that partition just delete it?
[20:40] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, it's default is blank anyway
[20:40] <lontra> pm1: or overwrite it?
[20:40] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok done
[20:41] <Agent_bob> acee1234 you did  "sudo mount -o uid=000 /dev/sda3 /media/sda3"  ?
[20:41] <acee1234> Agent_bob: returned mount: mount point /media/sda3 does not exist
[20:41] <Agent_bob> k
[20:41] <stdin> jack_spratt: see if X works now
[20:41] <jack_spratt> stdin: use kernels framebuffer driver?
[20:41] <stdin> jack_spratt: don't use flamebuffer
[20:41] <pm1> i have xp and kubuntu n jst want ti all back to xp
[20:41] <Agent_bob> acee1234 sudo mkdir -p /media/sda3
[20:41] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok
[20:41] <acee1234> pm1: im not the guy to know, im learning the ropes sorry
[20:41] <Agent_bob> acee1234 then rerun the command
[20:42] <pm1> klkl who cood help me ?
[20:42] <IS> ?
[20:42] <acee1234> Agent_bob: no error
[20:42] <Agent_bob> pm1 what are you trying to do ?
[20:42] <jack_spratt> stdin: what res should i set, 1024?
[20:42] <pm1> unistall kubuntu n jst have xp
[20:43] <Agent_bob> acee1234 then you should be able to access your data at /media/sda3 freely
[20:43] <[ka]killer> humm im having a problem with ktorrent
[20:43] <[ka]killer> its not connecting to trackers o_o
[20:43] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah
[20:43] <jack_spratt> stdin: k
[20:43] <IS> depends on vedio card and monitor
[20:43] <bjwebb> hi
[20:43] <IS> hey
[20:43] <Agent_bob> pm1 delete the partition that linux is installed on and reinstall your windows MBR
[20:44] <acee1234> Agent_bob: ill give it a go thank you
[20:44] <pm1> how do i do tht ?:S coz it was ma mate tht installed it
[20:44] <[ka]killer> anyone else having problems with ktorrent 2.2.5?
[20:44] <IS> no
[20:44] <jack_spratt> stdin: x started, logging in via gui now...
[20:44] <Agent_bob> pm1 are you running linux or windows now ?
[20:44] <[ka]killer> >_<
[20:44] <pm1> linux
[20:45] <xst> Does anyone know an image viewer with a slideshow feature that can make a slideshow with all the contents of a directory including all its subdirs?
[20:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: im very skeptical, i dont believe its actually using the i810, its impossible surely
[20:45] <stdin> jack_spratt: why?
[20:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: if it is, then why didnt the same driver work when chosen from control panel in kde using vesa driver and instead freeze
[20:45] <Agent_bob> pm1  you reboot into windows recovery console and use the fixmbr and fdisk tools that windows provides
[20:45] <rofl> pm1: start your system with the linux livecd then start gparted and delete your linux partitions, then increase your xp partition
[20:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: whats the easiest way to check if the proper intel driver is working for sure??
[20:46] <pm1> i dont have live cd bt ?
[20:46] <Agent_bob> pm1 anytime you want to evict an os  use a different os to do it.
[20:46] <IS> no!
[20:46] <lontra> jack_spratt: this will tell you if it's using i810 -->  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep i810
[20:46] <rofl> pm1: then ask your friend to undo
[20:46] <Daisuke_Ido> or use partitionmagic to delete the linux partition and expand the windows partition, then use a windows boot cd to run fixmbr
[20:46] <IS> HELLO
[20:47] <pm1> wats partitionmagic ?
[20:47] <IS> a program
[20:47] <stdin> jack_spratt: look for a line "(II) LoadModule: "i810" " in the Xorg.0.log
[20:47] <IS> helps set a partition
[20:47] <rubikcube> pm1: is there already a windows on your box or any data you need to save?
[20:47] <pm1> no
[20:48] <Agent_bob> and do note that all the examples given above are following the "use a different os to evict an os" form
[20:48] <lontra> jack_spratt: and if you run that command that i told you -->  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep i810  ... then you can save time and answer stdin
[20:48] <IS> NO
[20:48] <rubikcube> pm1: very good, then just insert your windows CD/DVD and follow its instructions, accept when it asks whether it shall delete anything on disk
[20:48] <Agent_bob> pm1 then just insatll windows.
[20:48] <pm1> i allready got it but
[20:49] <stdin> lontra: what not just "grep i810 /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[20:49] <lontra> stdin: sure ;)
[20:49] <lontra> stdin: does the same thing
[20:49] <stdin> i810 will match a few things in the log anyway
[20:49] <Agent_bob> IS define "set a partition" ?
[20:49] <IS> :)
[20:49] <jack_spratt> stdin: i used lontra's command, 5 lines of text listed
[20:49] <IS> set up
[20:50] <Agent_bob> *parted
[20:50] <aharoon_> hi i had a proplem when i installed kde4 i was going to textmode then i solved by install kubuntu-desktop now i go to text mode then i have to run startx i want to get graphical login screen how to?? and how to install kde4 without have any troubles
[20:50] <Agent_bob> *fdisk
[20:50] <jack_spratt> stdin: which part gives the answer
[20:50] <stdin> jack_spratt: what's the 1st line?
[20:51] <jack_spratt> stdin:"loadmodule: "i810"
[20:51] <rubikcube> pm1: but?
[20:51] <stdin> jack_spratt: there's you're proof then
[20:51] <IS> i'm not answering anything
[20:51] <lontra> jack_spratt: unless you see (EE) with i810 after it you're in the clear with your video
[20:52] <Agent_bob> aharoon_  dpkg -l | grep ii | grep -E ' .dm' | cut -d' ' -f3
[20:52] <jack_spratt> stdin: so you two are sure that, since Im looking at a kde desktop and i810 driver is being used, the i810 driver is definitely working according to what I have said??
[20:52] <stdin> jack_spratt: certainly sounds like it
[20:53] <Agent_bob> aharoon_ if that shows anything    run  dpkg-reconfigure <what ever it showed here>
[20:53] <aharoon_> what is this im new to linux dont understand this
[20:53] <Daisuke_Ido> well 4.0.1 is out now
[20:53] <jack_spratt> stdin:hmmmphr
[20:53] <jeisma> when i use compiz fusion rotate cube and a window is up, it goes incredibly slow
[20:53] <jeisma> is that my graphics card or my ram?
[20:53] <jack_spratt> stdin: well, thanks a lot
[20:53] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: you're using xgl?
[20:54] <jack_spratt> stdin: why didnt the driver work before then when it was selected and run by default in the livecd bootup?
[20:54] <XceII> I just put a new mobo in, the only problem i have is muting sound, is there a way I can fix this?
[20:54] <stdin> Agent_bob: you may want ' .dm\b' there ;)
[20:54] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido i don't know
[20:54] <jack_spratt> stdin: and why doesnt it ever work with other distros in the same situation?
[20:54] <Daisuke_Ido> what graphics card, and how much ram?
[20:54]  * Agent_bob must have come at the preschool hour...
[20:54] <jeisma> no idea about graphics card and i think 512mb of ram
[20:55] <stdin> jack_spratt: probably because it tried intel first and apparently there a bug where some chipset variations get detected as something else with that driver
[20:55] <aharoon_> ok i made sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm then ut gave me choice between kdm aand kdm-kde4 i  select kdm
[20:55] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: *nod*
[20:55] <deepfreez> how know this error: kvirc: symbol lookup error: kvirc: undefined symbol: _ZN6KviSSL10globalInitEv
[20:56] <jack_spratt> stdin: is that what you think that whole "EE detecting sil_164" thing was about?
[20:56] <aharoon_> is this the only thing i have to do?? or there is another thing?
[20:56] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido so is it the graphics card or memory?
[20:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know
[20:56] <Agent_bob> stdin yeah \b   doesn't matter, he didn't even recognize it as a command string.
[20:56] <jack_spratt> stdin: because ive encountered that error message on countless other distrps too
[20:56] <Daisuke_Ido> you have no idea what kind of graphics card you have?
[20:56] <Daisuke_Ido> how did you even get compiz running?
[20:56] <Agent_bob> stdin but thanks for the heads up there.
[20:56] <stdin> jack_spratt: that seems to be some chipset it's detecting
[20:57] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: try lspci | grep VGA
[20:57] <stdin> aharoon_: try "echo /usr/bin/kdm | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager", that should force it to use kdm
[20:57] <jack_spratt> stdin: so why, when we used the same driver again having reselected it, did it not on that occasion mis detect the chipset as before??
[20:58] <stdin> jack_spratt: the default video driver for intel chipsets is the "intel" driver and, as I said, it seems to have a bug in it that the older "i810" driver does not
[20:58] <artemis> help i have a problem : i turn on my pc and the logo of kubuntu shows up , it loads up to a point and then boots sth like busy box built-in shel.how can i boot to my kubuntu kde desktop again? o_0
[20:58] <jack_spratt> stdin: so by default kubuntu selects the 'intel' made intel driver, whereas it should use the newer xorg driver
[20:59] <IS> ´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´¶´´´¶´´´´´´´´´¶´´´¶´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´
[20:59] <IS> ´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´¶´´¶¶´´´´´´´´´¶´´´¶´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´´
[20:59] <artemis> help i have a problem : i turn on my pc and the logo of kubuntu shows up , it loads up to a point and then boots sth like busy box built-in shel.how can i boot to my kubuntu kde desktop again? o_0
[20:59] <jack_spratt> stdin: but the official driver has those bugs it it which makes it never work for me
[20:59] <jack_spratt> stdin:is that what youre saying?
[20:59] <stdin> jack_spratt: both the "intel" and "i810" drivers are the official drivers, but the "intel" one has support for newer chips
[21:00] <massisimo> does anyone use envy or installed graphic drivers with it?
[21:00] <Agent_bob> artemis mount the root fs from the busybox shell    or boot an older kernel/initramfs pair
[21:00] <giovannid> hi there
[21:00] <jack_spratt> stdin:so the driver im currently using is not xorg but made by intel corp?
[21:00] <XceII>  I just put a new mobo in, the only problem i have is muting sound, is there a way I can fix this?
[21:00] <giovannid> exscuse for the BIG ot... do you prefer: "everything went well" or "everything has gone all right?"
[21:01] <Agent_bob> artemis but you'll need to fix that broken initramfs  after you access the root file system
[21:01] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200                              M]
[21:01] <stdin> jack_spratt: well no, both intel and xorg make it. intel open-sourced their graphics driver a long time ago now
[21:01] <byronc> I'm debugging a Qt4 application with gdb and would like to get something more useful in backtraces than '0xb7a03c36 in QGraphicsSimpleTextItem::paint () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4'  Can I use the libqt4-debug package to do this?
[21:01] <aharoon_> i run echo /usr/bin/kdm the resul is /usr/bin/kdm then i run  sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager and it dont show anything and it seems like it hungs it didnt goto new line
[21:01] <giovannid> no one her can speak english? :)
[21:02] <giovannid> here
[21:02] <jack_spratt> stdin:so its a collaborative project between intel and xorg, or it is by xorg based on a modification of intel corps
[21:02] <stdin> aharoon_: no, paste the whole command in, including the | character
[21:02] <stdin> aharoon_: "echo /usr/bin/kdm | sudo tee /etc/X11/default-display-manager"
[21:02] <artemis> Agent_bob: i am a n00b. how can i mount the root fs from the busybox - shell?
[21:03] <jack_spratt> stdin:because in other channels its usually referred to as either 'the intel driver' which i assume means intel corp made it, or its 'the xorg driver' which means its newer and made by xorg
[21:03] <aharoon_> ok it gives me /usr/bin/kdm
[21:03] <stdin> jack_spratt: well intel pays developers to work on it with the unpaid developers, all the code is open to all though
[21:03] <IS> lol i like fish
[21:03] <stdin> aharoon_: good, that's what it should
[21:03] <n1tro> i guess it's impossible to get that divx plugin for firefox with linux?
[21:04] <n1tro> so i can watch videos in stage6 and stuff
[21:04] <aharoon_> ok if i restart now do i get the login graphical screen or i get textmode and i have to type startx
[21:04] <Agent_bob> artemis depends on what the exact error is.  may only need to insert a module   or may need to create a device node and insert more than one module.   but that's really not for beginners.   easier to boot an older kernel   or a live cd and fix it from there.
[21:05] <jack_spratt> stdin: so there is no distinction between the official intel and the xorg foundations driver for this chipset anymore? is this collaboration a recent thing then, because up to about september a different driver was used i thought, which worked alongside the bios hack, but all that has now been replaced with newer drivers...
[21:05] <Agent_bob> artemis and you do need to file a bug report against the kernel update.
[21:06] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[21:06] <lontra> jack_spratt: i810 was a precursor to the intel driver
[21:06] <jack_spratt> so the driver im using now is the old one, but im not using it in conjunction with the bios hack...how?
[21:06] <lontra> jack_spratt: the new intel driver includes that fix
[21:07] <stdin> jack_spratt: it was always open, but the new driver dropped support for some older chipsets so those hack wern't needed and the bug that caused the need for it could be fixed
[21:07] <NetSKaVeN> where can we report bugs in Gutsy's KDE 4 packages?
[21:07] <lontra> !kde4
[21:07] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:07] <artemis> Agent_bob: and how can i do it? o_0
[21:08] <NetSKaVeN> thanks lontra
[21:08] <Agent_bob> define "it" please ?
[21:08] <jack_spratt> stdin: but this new one version contains a new set of bugs that completely cripple it as far as this chipset is concerned, great
[21:08] <stdin> NetSKaVeN: you can, but you should report them to bugs.kde.org too
[21:08] <aharoon_>  ok if i restart now do i get the login graphical screen or i get textmode and i have to type startx
[21:09] <stdin> jack_spratt: you're the 1st person I've seen with that problem, what exactly does "lspci | grep VGA" show?
[21:09] <NetSKaVeN> stdin: yeah, but I don't know if the bug is KDE problem or Kubuntu problem
[21:09] <stdin> NetSKaVeN: what is it?
[21:09] <NetSKaVeN> a lot  xD
[21:10] <stdin> give me an example and I can give you an idea of if it's upstream or not
[21:10] <NetSKaVeN> mmm
[21:10] <jack_spratt> stdin: 82845g/gl[brookdale-g]/ge cehipset (rev 03)
[21:10] <NetSKaVeN> kopete's msn display offline here but I'm online, for example
[21:10] <jack_spratt> stdin:(thats paraphrased
[21:10] <jack_spratt> )
[21:11] <stdin> NetSKaVeN: upstream
[21:11] <artemis> Agent_bob: thanks for the help..i will do what you said xD hope i will do it right xD bb
[21:11] <lontra> NetSKaVeN: unless it's a packaging bug it's upstream
[21:11] <NetSKaVeN> ok, I will investigate the kde bugs then
[21:11] <NetSKaVeN> thanks for the info
[21:11] <jack_spratt> stdin:so the driver that im using and that works now is the old driver that i had working before the new ones came and messed it all up - this is just the old driver that i used to use with the bios hack, but without the hack this time?
[21:12] <stdin> jack_spratt: my server has "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)", seems the "/ge" is the only difference
[21:12] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, it's the driver that was used before "intel" became default"
[21:13] <stdin> jack_spratt: you should probably report the bug on launchpad (now you have a working system)
[21:13] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i have finally taken my first step into the world of the gimp
[21:13] <Daisuke_Ido> not the worst thing i've ever touched
[21:14] <Daisuke_Ido> however, it's no photoshop
[21:14] <jack_spratt> stdin: no i got the ge, i listed it - or which ge? seems theyre the same to me
[21:15] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, they are the same, the case made me think it was different for a sec.
[21:15] <jack_spratt> stdin: im still not completely sure how this old driver is working without the bios hack now, before when i used this driver (as it seems to be the same one) i had to use that hack (sorry im a bit slow, i still dont understand this et)
[21:15] <jack_spratt> *y
[21:15] <jack_spratt> stdin:so we have the same chipset exactly, but mine doesnt work and yours does
[21:16] <stdin> jack_spratt: the driver usually works without the hack, but higher video modes will need it
[21:16] <jack_spratt> stdin:so ill still need the hack in certain circumstances with this driver?
[21:17] <stdin> as far as I know, I still use it to get 1280x1024 on my server
[21:18] <stdin> you should report the issue here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+filebug and attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (that'll be the where the log got moved when you started X again)
[21:18] <Xbehave> i have compiz working most stuff runs fine,but alt-F2 sometimes comes up completly blank
[21:20] <jack_spratt> stdin:ok i will when i feel i have a good enough grasp
[21:21] <jack_spratt> stdin:this is a cross distro problem for me though so im very anxious to understand how to fix the problem as you have just don on other distros; apart from anything else in my search for a solution to this problem over the last few months live picked up several others with the same problem. are we saying then that the fix is simply to use the old driver, say, the one kubuntu currently includes on its livecd?
[21:22] <Xbehave> if i manage to blindly stab the options button it works and everythings fine
[21:23] <stdin> jack_spratt: the workaround is to use the old driver, the fix should be done upstream (by x.org) in the intel driver so you don't have to use the old driver
[21:23] <jeisma> howq do i know if its my graphics card or my ram that sucks when compizfusion goes slow
[21:23] <jeisma> i try and rotate the cube when i have windows up and its slow
[21:23] <jeisma> without windows, its fast
[21:24] <artur_> Is there anyway to install the Sodipodi using the apt-get? Some repository to add?  I was trying to compile, but every ./configure tried, a problem was reported.
[21:24] <jeisma> windows being firefox, terminal, etc
[21:24] <jeisma> or is it my processor?
[21:25] <Xbehave> jeisma im not sure but if youve got swap usage it normally means that its ram you could do with, to find out type free in a terminal
[21:25] <jack_spratt> stdin:fair enough, but this is first time ive seen this workaround work, and TBH its not much of a work around the way i see it as the i810 driver is included with kubuntu by default, unlike most other distros it seems, which ship only one 'intel' driver. in PCLOS for instance the intel i810 driver, which should refer to the driver im currently using, us just a simlink back to the new 'xorg' intel driver, so you have to get a copy of the real i810 driver
[21:25] <jack_spratt>  from elsewhere, but even when you do, and replace the intel driver thats installed by default, or even replace it completely, it still doesnt work nomatter what you do
[21:26] <jeisma> Xebhave ok so i typed in free, how do i know whats goin on?
[21:26] <jeisma> Mem::        449336     443388       5948
[21:26] <jeisma> total, used, free respectively
[21:27] <stdin> jack_spratt: the i810 driver is deprecated, it's marked for removal from upstream at a later date. that's why some distros don't ship it
[21:27] <jack_spratt> stdin:i accept that but the new one dont work which causes hell when the old one is awol
[21:28] <MarcC> how do I revert to the last version of the Flash plugin?
[21:28] <stdin> jack_spratt: which is why it needs to be reported
[21:28] <jack_spratt> stdin:is the i810 driver im now using constituted in a single .ko file?
[21:28] <stdin> MarcC: short answer: you can't
[21:28] <tekteen> MarcC: You can install flash on firefox
[21:28] <MarcC> stdin: no kidding? I'm using the latest plugin and CPU use is thru the roof
[21:28] <tekteen> lol
[21:29] <MarcC> I mean, I installed this one myself
[21:29] <tekteen> ok
[21:29] <stdin> jack_spratt: it's a xorg driver, not a .ko "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/i810_drv.so"
[21:29] <Daisuke_Ido> time to install ff3
[21:29] <Xbehave> jeisma is there no line called swap?
[21:30] <jack_spratt>  stdin:so the driver that works is a single .so file?
[21:30] <Daisuke_Ido> i think this problem has been diagnosed more than once now
[21:31] <MrRoland> is kde4 instaled by default in kubuntu ?
[21:31] <MarcC> no
[21:31] <stdin> jack_spratt: yeah, it's loaded directly by xorg
[21:31] <whyhankee> hi all, small question, on launchpad, subscribing to a bug is enough when there's no more info to add (as comment), right?
[21:32] <stdin> whyhankee: if you want updates on it, yes
[21:33] <whyhankee> stdin: and to get counted as an extra person being bitten i guess :) thx
[21:33] <jack_spratt>  stdin: so I know for a fact that this driver works, if I copy it into other distros then it might work right? will it just show up in configuration screens like it does on kubuntus, so long as i copy it to the right place i mean?
[21:34] <stdin> jack_spratt: it's possible, but it may  not. you can't tell with a .so it depends on how xorg was compiled
[21:35] <jack_spratt>  stdin: that doesnt sound encouraging
[21:37] <jack_spratt> stdin: do you think its likely even that if i restart in live mode, or install using vesa with kubuntu and try to get this driver working again that it will?
[21:37] <Xbehave> where should i ask about my kubuntu + compiz problem?
[21:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hmm
[21:38] <Daisuke_Ido> now to figure out how to get java working in firefox 3.0
[21:38] <stdin> jack_spratt: it should do, don't see why a live session would behave differently than an installed one in this respect
[21:39] <jack_spratt> stdin::ok, and do you think the same would work with ubuntu rather than kubuntu?
[21:39] <Xbehave> Daisuke_Ido: link /opt/firefox/plugins to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ that gets most plugins working
[21:40] <stdin> jack_spratt: they use the same packages, so yes
[21:40] <Daisuke_Ido> trying to test out an embedded java irc applet
[21:40] <Daisuke_Ido> and firefox keeps locking up :\
[21:41] <jack_spratt> stdin:and do you think that in future, as in pclinuxos, some day the i810 driver will just be removed by default by the package manager in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[21:41] <stdin> jack_spratt: when it get's removed upstream, yes
[21:41] <stdin> we can't build what isn't there
[21:41] <jack_spratt> stdin:what do you mean removed upstream? excusse my ignorance
[21:42] <jack_spratt> stdin:surely you wont have to build anything, just leave present what is alreay built?
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[21:42] <stdin> upstream is the project: xorg, downstream is us (k/x/ed/u/buntu) and debian
[21:43] <stdin> jack_spratt: every package you install is built for ubuntu from source
[21:43] <jack_spratt> stdin:sure
[21:43] <stdin> when the source for the i810 module is removed by xorg, then we can't possibly ship it
[21:44] <jack_spratt> stdin:why not? youll still have the source and the package that you have, so long as they dont change the licesing or something surely you can ship it as long as you like]
[21:44] <stdin> jack_spratt: no, because that would mean that we have to stay at that versions of xorg forever
[21:45] <stdin> or branch xorg into another project all together to just maintain that one dirver
[21:45] <jack_spratt> stdin: whats wrong with that - you can ship both side by side, simultaneously, like you do at the moment
[21:45] <jack_spratt> stdin:but presumably they have abandoned developent on this driver as its been superseeded
[21:46] <Agent_bob> ([k|x|ed|u]buntu)
[21:46] <stdin> jack_spratt: not totally, but it's marked to be removed at a later date. when it's removed upstream (by xorg) we can't do anything about that
[21:47] <stdin> we can't just copy the source from one version to another because it wouldn't build anyway
[21:47] <The_ManU_212> is that right?
[21:47] <The_ManU_212> i still use edgy and today i got a kernel update, i used adept and all ran normal as everytime but it crashed when i should get the popup for dist-upgrade
[21:47] <The_ManU_212> then i opened manually adept and ran apt-get update, i think all is installed fine
[21:48] <stdin> The_ManU_212: if you get no error messages from "sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" then you're fine
[21:49] <jack_spratt> stdin:i still dont understand really. Say im writing a book, and i go through several proofs before i publish it, but all versions are gpl's, if some people get access to the first rough proof and like it, then they can read it and distribute it to like minded people as long as they like, even if the book ends up much different and continues to be edited and rereleased into the future. whats stopping people distributing the original version if they like
[21:49] <jack_spratt> it or if it works?
[21:49] <The_ManU_212> stdin: but i dont want to make a upgrade
[21:49] <The_ManU_212> and i dont want to reconfigure all stdin
[21:49] <stdin> The_ManU_212: it won't reconfigure all, just configure what's not yet configured
[21:50] <stdin> jack_spratt: we could stay with one version of Xorg forever, but then we'd get no updates/new features/bug fixes ever again
[21:52] <jack_spratt> stdin:why? why are two different drivers mutually exclsive? intel dropped support for some other chips recently in the new driver you said, surely its reasonable to ship the old one too then as an acceptable and very necessary alternative...?
[21:52] <Agent_bob> and probably wouldn't need them either
[21:52] <stdin> jack_spratt: because the api/abi would change over time
[21:53] <The_ManU_212> stdin: and the upgrade part how to test without upgrade?
[21:53] <jack_spratt> stdin:how could the api change if the chips remain the same (again excuse my ignorance).
[21:53] <stdin> The_ManU_212: why don't you want to run dist-upgrade ?
[21:53] <miladen> is it "unrar e filename.rar" ?
[21:53] <florianr> Hello! I use google desktop, now I found a verry large file in: ~/.google/desktop/repo/1000 ... It is nearly 1 GB ....
[21:53] <stdin> jack_spratt: the api to the xorg/kernel interface
[21:54] <jack_spratt> stdin:who am I talking to by the way, id like to know who this so helpful and knowledgeable individual is
[21:54] <miladen> is it "unrar e filename.rar" ?
[21:54] <jack_spratt> stdin:i see
[21:54] <stdin> jack_spratt: /whois me to see my real name
[21:54] <jack_spratt> stdin:but surely thats a long way off
[21:55] <stdin> jack_spratt: like I said, it's marked for a later date. that date is not defined yet
[21:55] <jack_spratt> stdin: ok that makes more sense now, thanks
[21:56] <The_ManU_212> stdin: all is running fine and many is configured, other packages installed or some scripts in /usr/bin etc
[21:57] <stdin> The_ManU_212: if dpkg --configure -a worked, then whatever you have installed is installer properly
[21:58] <Agent_bob> it's no wonder that people have so much trouble communicating on irc.   none of them act like they even know hos to read.     (not at this particular channel)
[21:58] <Agent_bob> hos/how
[21:59] <Xbehave_> with compiz kde colour picker / run dialog fail to show anything but dialogs (and the dialogs are permeninatly blank)
[22:00] <The_ManU_212> stdin: ok got an empty prompt so i think its ok
[22:00] <lupul> hi
[22:00] <lupul> !grub
[22:00] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:01] <blizzzek> gn8
[22:03] <jack_spratt> stdin:where did you say I should submit this as a bug?
[22:03] <stdin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+filebug
[22:04] <jack_spratt> stdin:thanks
[22:05] <Alex135> hey, are the openGL screensavers that are based on the type that take an image of your screen and deform it, are those suposed to work in Kubuntu?
[22:05] <jeisma> could someone tell me how to match my desktop bacground to the login background?
[22:06] <Alex135> by default it should already be the same...
[22:06] <jeisma> i already tried going to the login manager and changing
[22:06] <The_ManU_212> stdin: is this right no message in terminal if all its correct with dpkg --configure -a?
[22:06] <jeisma> Alex135 they're not
[22:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Alex135: you are aware that a lot of people change their wallpaper, right?
[22:06] <stdin> The_ManU_212: no message = no error, so yes
[22:07] <Alex135> Daisuke_ido: yes i am,
[22:07] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido do you know how to match it?
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> jeisma: create a kdm theme using your wallpaper as the basis
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> don't ask me how, i have no clue
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> but that's about it
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> or live with it not matching
[22:07] <Daisuke_Ido> it didn't match in windows either, so it shouldn't be that painful
[22:07] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido ok
[22:08] <Alex135> Are the openGL screensavers that take a screenshot and deform it suposed to work properly in Kubuntu?
[22:08] <jeisma> Daisuke_Ido well how about changing how your login looks, where do i do that?
[22:08] <atef> Hi everybody!
[22:09] <Alex135> jeisma, go to System Settings and then spash screen
[22:09] <Alex135> splash screen*
[22:09] <Artimus> Is Flash working yet?  I've been reading the mailing lists, and I've seen people say Flash is working for Gutsy in Konqueror again.  For me, I get solid gray squares that crash/lag Konqueror.
[22:09] <jeisma> Alex135 i mean when im tying in my password
[22:09] <jeisma> Alex135 that backround
[22:09] <_Angelus_> guys
[22:09] <_Angelus_> will i loose any data if i re-size my /home partition?
[22:09] <jack_spratt> stdin:is this channel logged online somewhere so I can review our earlier conversation?
[22:10] <stdin> !logs
[22:10] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[22:10] <Alex135> jeisma yes i know, however changing the indavidual background of the splashscreen is beyond me, if you want to change the splash screen you can go to that option and change it
[22:11] <Xbehave_> whats the command for the kde run dialog?
[22:12] <The_ManU_212> thx stdin
[22:12] <jeisma> Alex135 but isn't that just the different splash screens?
[22:12] <DreadKnight> Xbehave_: alt + f2 ?
[22:12] <jeisma> Alex135 i don't see where you can change the bg here
[22:12] <Xbehave_> i want to stick it in a konsole so i can find out whats wrong
[22:12] <jeisma> Alex135 nevermind i read it wrong
[22:12] <Alex135> :)
[22:12] <stdin> Xbehave_: the "command" is "dcop kdesktop KDesktopIface popupExecuteCommand"
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> boot.  head.
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> TWICE.
[22:13] <_Angelus_> so no one knows if i can resize my /home partition without loosing data?
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> should be able to
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> using qtparted or gparted
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, you should really do that from a live cd
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> since you can't do it when it's mounted
[22:14] <_Angelus_> yeah
[22:14] <_Angelus_> but how much chance do i have to loose data?
[22:15] <Xbehave_> thx,brb going to restart x see if it helps
[22:16] <Alex135> Are the openGL screensavers suposed to take an image from the desktop and deform it?
[22:16] <jack_spratt> stdin:are you sure that address is corrct? it seems only to want ubuntu not kubuntu bugs reporting there...?
[22:17] <stdin> jack_spratt: ubuntu and kubuntu use the same packages, think of Ubuntu as the brand and Kubuntu as one of it's products
[22:18] <jack_spratt> stdin: well they do operate rather differently, though I know kde is rather 'tacked on' to gnome, ubuntus primary focus
[22:18] <jack_spratt> stdin:are you an evangelist?
[22:18] <jack_spratt> stdin:thanks for telling me that btw!
[22:18] <TimS> kde is not tacked on to gnome
[22:18] <stdin> jack_spratt: ubuntu is a project, it just so happens that it's primary product goes by the same name ;)
[22:18] <TimS> Kubuntu does not have gnome.
[22:19] <Alex135> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE installed instead of gnome (aswell as some other stuff)
[22:19] <TimS> Think of it as a car. You get the pergeuot 300 and the pergeuot 300 desil. One has petrol one has deisil.
[22:19] <TimS> But, you spell it right.
[22:19] <Ms-suse> whats the linux equivalent for active directory server?
[22:19] <TimS> That was terrible.
[22:20] <TimS> Ms-suse: Whats that?
[22:21] <Ms-suse> TimS, you know like server 2003, hosting a server based network based on active directory
[22:21] <TimS> /var/www?
[22:21] <Pentarex> is there any program like Flash get
[22:22] <TimS> I am not too good with servers :p
[22:22] <TimS> Kget
[22:22] <TimS> !kget
[22:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kget - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:22] <TimS> !info kget
[22:22] <ubotu> kget (source: kdenetwork): download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 442 kB, installed size 1196 kB
[22:22] <Xbehave> Ms-suse: there are a few i think, i think novell have the best ones erm not sure if theres a complete equivelent
[22:22] <Pentarex> ok 10nx
[22:22] <Xbehave> thats not flash get is it thats just get
[22:23] <TimS> Flash get is a firefox plug in
[22:23] <TimS> You can get it for firefox.
[22:23] <Ms-suse> Xbehave, k, thanks
[22:23] <TimS> I assumed he meant download managers
[22:24] <TimS> Alex135: There are a lot of OpenGL screensavers
[22:24] <TimS> Some deform the desktop, some don't
[22:24] <Alex135> TimS: yes, but the ones that do, are the suposed to take an image from the desktop?
[22:24] <TimS> I believe so.
[22:25] <Alex135> TimS: because every time i try them, they just get some random image, and not an actual desktop image
[22:25] <TimS> Oh, an Image of anything in particular?
[22:25] <Alex135> no, like of the space shuttle and such
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> flashGOT is a firefox plugin
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> flashGET is a windows-based download manager
[22:25] <TimS> Ah, it could be a setting in that case.
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> (which is what flashgot was originally designed to work with)
[22:26] <TimS> Ah, I did not realise there was a difference.
[22:26] <TimS> Well, I got the right one to start off with =]
[22:26] <Alex135> TimS: i have tried with all the settings, non have anything to do with that
[22:26] <TimS> I would try it out, but I have no graphics drivers
[22:26] <TimS> The current nVidia ones for my card are broken :P
[22:27] <Alex135> that hapened to my old one a while ago, then i finally got a new PC...
[22:27] <jklinck> hi :) with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" i have no chance to switch my graphic driver, in the xorg.conf is also no driver entry for my intel card (Ubuntu Hardy; KDE 4) Gfxcard & Xorg.conf > http://pastebin.com/m3a6bc0cd
[22:27] <Alex135> TimS: what do you mean when you say they are broken, when you try them do they just make your GUI go away and only text mode works?
[22:28] <TimS> Alex135: They cause random kernel freezes
[22:28] <TimS> Its a known bug, they haven't fixed it yet
[22:28] <TimS> I have the old ones, but I haven't got round to installing them
[22:28] <jklinck> i think its not the normal behaviour of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to go directly to the keyboard settings by skipping the graphic settings
[22:28] <Alex135> ah, ok
[22:28] <jklinck> or not?
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> jklinck: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:29] <TimS> You need to add -phigh
[22:29] <TimS> Daisuke_Ido: Does phigh stand for something?
[22:29] <Alex135> TimS: just curious, because every time i install Nvidia drivers, i find that my monitor goes into sleep mode (indicating its recieving a signal it doens't know how to display)
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> TimS: priority - high
[22:30] <TimS> Ah, cool =]
[22:30] <jklinck> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[22:30] <jklinck>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080207003127
[22:30] <TimS> Alex135: Sounds like a bad refresh rate.
[22:30] <jklinck> and nothing happens
[22:30] <c1|freaky> jklinck: what driver do you want to install?
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> jklinck: you'll need to restart your xserver
[22:30] <c1|freaky> you need to add the lines by yourself in hardy
[22:30] <jklinck> oh :/
[22:31] <c1|freaky> hardy is really missing those configuration steps
[22:31] <c1|freaky> jklinck: what driver are u trying to switch to?
[22:31] <c1|freaky> are u trying to install the ati drivers manually?
[22:31] <Alex135> TimS: dunno what it was, but i go into the Xorg.conf and i discover the normal resolution declaration functions arn't in there aswell as a lot of other things, but dpkg-reconfigure fixes it
[22:31] <jklinck> 965 GM (intel) so i installed the intel drivers
[22:31] <TimS> Alex135: I sometimes get it on other distros and have to use boot options, its not a great monitor.
[22:31] <TimS> Ah. Odd :P
[22:32] <Alex135> TimS: hapened in Fedora too, but it could have been a combination of outdated Vidcard and probs with configuring the Xserver
[22:32] <jklinck> c1|freaky: so the whole autoconfiguration of the graphic adapters for xorg doesnt work in hardy right?
[22:32] <miladen> how do i run a .run file?
[22:33] <jklinck> miladen: ./foobar.run
[22:33] <miladen> ok thx
[22:33] <c1|freaky> yes. i had to add a few lines so the aticonfig --initial worked
[22:33] <Artimus> miladen: You might have to mark it as executable first.  chmod +x foobar.run
[22:33] <miladen> thx dudes, ill try them all :D
[22:34] <dan__> hello.. "huge" question comming up. :P
[22:34] <dan__> since I installed KDE4 my xserver (I think) sometimes crashes when I, for example, use flash or pdf.. when I reboot some letters are lilac (in a sort of pattern).. and xserver (I think :P) won't start.. however.. If I let the comp be for a while it usually starts again.. anyone having the same problem or know any of it?
[22:34] <TimS> Fedora does that to people.
[22:34] <c1|freaky> jklinck: someone told me they are trying to get rid of the xorg.conf but im not sure ...
[22:34] <blue|palm> hi, i have just installed kate from kde 4 onto a regular ubuntu desktop, but the fonts are really ugly (aliased) is there any way to fix this?
[22:35] <Alex135> TimS: Any idea why i am forced to add the boot option -nolapic to get my kernel to load (running on duel core 64 bit)
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> they're trying to get to a point where users never need to touch the xorg.conf
[22:35] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's getting there
[22:35] <TimS> Nope, sorry. I am running dual core, 32 bit
[22:35] <jklinck> c1|freaky: i think for the casual user its really hard to debug the xserver and to set the right paramters in the xorg.conf.... so a new way of configuration(easier) would help a lot
[22:36] <Daisuke_Ido> every successive release has gotten a bit better on this front
[22:36] <jklinck> blue|palm: #kubuntu-kde4
[22:36] <miladen> chmoit sais bash: ./: is a directory
[22:36] <dan__> oh.. and it crashes in kde3
[22:36] <miladen> sorry, It says ..
[22:37] <miladen> it sais bash: ./: is a directory when i try to run it...
[22:38] <jklinck> c1|freaky: but i think I'm not ready for the bleeding edge of ubuntu hardy :) so i switch back to gutsy...
[22:38] <jklinck> miladen: what for a cmd have you tried?
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> miladen: remove the space between / and the filename
[22:38] <c1|freaky> ok ^^
[22:39] <jklinck> c1|freaky: but thanks for the information
[22:39] <miladen> Daisuke_Ido that did the trick :D
[22:39] <dan__> meh. whi do I always get the wierd errors :(
[22:39] <c1|freaky> np
[22:39] <c1|freaky> :D
[22:40] <Daisuke_Ido> dan__: if letting the comp sit for a while (off) fixes the problem, it's a hardware issue.
[22:40] <jklinck> dan__: i think you are not alone... but "have you tried to turn it off and on again"? xD
[22:41] <dan__> oh yeah. then it works
[22:41] <tzd> can anyone tell me if: "cp -a" will be enough for a move of "home" directory please? Read all kinds of guides and the last one I've found used find .. pipe ... and that definitely didn't work... I want to move my home folder to a separate partition
[22:41] <dan__> but is it a kde4 issue. since it never happened before
[22:41] <Alex135> dan_: i had a few strange errors a while back, found out it was due to a failing hdd
[22:42] <Artimus> tzd: Looks like it.  It has all the options you need
[22:42] <dan__> Alex135: meh. now i got all worried. :P
[22:42] <smeril> when i try to add a new user in terminal with comand adduser it says that only root can add users what can i do about that?
[22:42] <Artimus> tzd: I add -v for verbose as well.  But  -a is all you need.
[22:42] <Alex135> dan_: glad i could calm your nerves :P
[22:42] <jklinck> smeril: use "sudo adduser NAME"
[22:42] <dan__> Alex135: :P
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> it's probably not a direct result of kde4
[22:43] <Daisuke_Ido> more or less just a coincidence that the problems are showing up now
[22:43] <Ms-suse> when is kde4 going to be available as an alternate install in the 8.4
[22:43] <Ms-suse> ?
[22:43] <Alex135> dan_: i was having strange isues like when i installed java it would download, but on the install part of it, it couldn't find the file
[22:43] <dan__> ah. kk. thanks anyways guys
[22:43] <Daisuke_Ido> Ms-suse: it's going to be in the repos
[22:43] <tzd> Artimus: Are you sure :) Been trying past 7-8 hours to get it working and now I'm finally back to where i started ;) The thing that messed it up badly was most likely the: cp -a /var/* thingie but I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking here :)
[22:43] <Ms-suse> Daisuke_Ido, so, it wont be included in the isos?
[22:43] <smeril> thanks but what is the next step?
[22:44] <jklinck> smeril: if you need root privileges you can run it as a so called sudoer(the users who are allowed to run root cmd's) but to tell the system that this command should run under root u must use "sudo" in front of the cmd
[22:44] <tzd> Artimus: the var folder was a side thingie that i wanted to run on a separate partition as well... just as with tmp and usr and also home
[22:45] <smeril> i think i made it
[22:45] <jklinck> smeril: there is no next step, type in the user password twice and you created one
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> Ms-suse: not to my knowledge, no
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> and it shouldn't be
[22:45] <Alex135> you can alwase get into root by running 'sudo su' but then i have had GUI problems with that, like starting up apps that require a gui dont work right
[22:45] <Artimus> tzd: cp -a is just an alias for cp -dpR, those are the options I use every day.  cp -a /home /newhome
[22:45] <Daisuke_Ido> it's *not ready* for end users, yet NO ONE seems to get that.
[22:46] <Artimus> tzd: You have to be careful, cp -a /home/USER/* will not actually grab the dotfiles from their home directory
[22:46] <tzd> Artimus: I'll give your advice a shot though :) Will i be able to do it KDE or do i need to it in text mode?
[22:46] <jklinck> Alex135: you have GUI problems because your X-Environment is not present... so the apps dont know where the desktop is
[22:46] <gustavonarea> Hello, everyone. I was using KDE and for a reason I don't know, my system got frozen. I pressed CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE and when I logged in again, all my KDE-related configurations disappeared. Everything, including my emails, is lost. I'm using Kubuntu Gutsy. Could someone help me out, please?
[22:46] <Daisuke_Ido> they think "oh, hey, 4.0, neat, all the bugs should be worked out and it'll be the best thing since sliced bread and it'll even walk my dog and do my laundry and wash my dishes" but it AIN'T LIKE THAT.
[22:46] <Artimus> tzd: Open up a terminal.  Should be under System.  "Konsole" or "Terminal Program"
[22:46] <Ms-suse> Daisuke_Ido, well, it doesnt bother me that it's not ready, i would just rather have it natively installed rather then installing it from repos
[22:47] <gustavonarea> That's not it. Many personal files were deleted too.
[22:47] <tzd> Artimus: oh ok... hmm how do i get the dot files? I suppose i need them as well?
[22:47] <Alex135> jklinck: yeah thats probably it... how do i fix that?
[22:48] <Artimus> tzd: They're the linux version of "hidden files".  It's all of your settings, so yeah.
[22:48] <gustavonarea> The only "new" thing to my system was Gnomad. I was not doing anything sensitive. I'm using Linux for years, I'm not new at all. Any hints?
[22:48] <jklinck> Alex135: open the apps with root priviliges with the command "kdesu"
[22:49] <jklinck> Alex135: as a normal user
[22:49] <Artimus> tzd: What exactly are you trying to do here?  Make a backup or move it?
[22:49] <tzd> Artimus: move it
[22:49] <Daisuke_Ido> Ms-suse: not gonna happen
[22:49] <Artimus> tzd: Alright, where is it going to be moved to?
[22:49] <Alex135> jklinck: ah ok, i was just wondering if there was a setting i had to set somewhere
[22:49] <tzd> to a partition called sda8
[22:50] <Artimus> tzd: Is it mounted?
[22:50] <tzd> Artimus: to a partition called sda8
[22:50] <tzd> Artimus: not yet
[22:50] <Artimus> tzd: Mount the thing somewhere first.  /media/sda8 or something.
[22:50] <nik> UE'
[22:51] <tzd> Artimus: ok mounted it to: /mnt/newhome
[22:51] <Artimus> tzd: Alright.  cp -av /home/* /mnt/newhome/
[22:51] <Artimus> The added v will just show you what it's doing...
[22:54] <Alex135> Why do i need to add the -nolapic boot option to make my kernel load? (Duel Core 64bit Processor and ubuntu version)
[22:55] <tzd> Artimus: ok and that will do it?
[22:55] <jklinck> Alex135: (APIC) A Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC) that can handle interrupts from and for multiple CPUs, and, usually, has more available interrupt lines that a typical PIC.
[22:56] <Alex135> jklinck: oh
[22:56] <jklinck> Alex135: the L in no"l"apic is for laptop functions, wich are also deactivated
[22:57] <Alex135> jklinck: i thought that stood for local...
[22:58] <jklinck> Alex135: but on a real dualcore system i think it should be activated
[22:59] <Alex135> jklinck: well mine is a real dualcore system, so i have no clue why its doing this.. what are the consiquences of it being deactivated?
[22:59] <LilSarge> can someone help me get Compiz / Emerald working.... i'v tried everything
[22:59] <Alex135> LilSarge: it doesn't work right in Kubuntu
[23:00] <LilSarge> my cousin got it working on his... was that luck?
[23:01] <Alex135> LilSarge: are you wanting the gnome desktop effect functions to work?
[23:01] <LilSarge> KDE
[23:01] <ali__> hi everybody
[23:01] <LilSarge> hi
[23:01] <Alex135> LilSarge: ah, well i tried to get it working and to get the Gnome Desktop effects to work in KDE and i had no success
[23:01] <jklinck> Alex135: on high load it performs slower with deactivated apic
[23:02] <Alex135> LilSarge: what have you tried?
[23:02] <ali__> try to install kcompiz
[23:02] <ali__> i did n it works
[23:02] <ali__> but.. not as good as gnome ;)
[23:02] <LilSarge> umm i dont know this stuff on top of my head, just went to websites for help and my cousin tried helping
[23:02] <LilSarge> im new to all of this
[23:02] <Daisuke_Ido> the gene pool needs a little chlorine today
[23:02] <Pentarex> can anyone help me with NVIDIA driver install ?
[23:03] <Alex135> jklinck: any idea how to get it to load my kernel without the -nolapic boot option included?
[23:03] <ali__> well i first added internet repos n then deactivated all DVD repo
[23:03] <ali__> unistalled all compiz packages
[23:03] <ali__> then istalled kcompiz and emerald
[23:03] <Pentarex> anyone ?
[23:03] <Alex135> Pentarex: i can
[23:03] <Pentarex> Alex135: aa thank you
[23:03] <Pentarex> Alex135: what i must to do
[23:04] <Artimus> tzd: Sorry, had a phone call to deal with.  Yes, that will copy it over.  Tell  me when that's done.
[23:04] <Pentarex> Alex135: ctrl+alt+f1 :) then
[23:04] <ali__> but i have even bigger problem with kubuntu now!!
[23:04] <Pentarex> Alex135: but i dont know the pass for root in this console
[23:04] <Pici> !root
[23:04] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[23:04] <jack_spratt> its possible to install kubuntu onto a 2gb usb pendrive isnt it?
[23:05] <ali__> i can not use my kontact kmail and akregator
[23:05] <ali__> looks like they r not connecting to internet
[23:05] <LilSarge> aight guys lll ttyl
[23:05] <LilSarge> lata
[23:05] <sensae> Every time I start up I have to go into the network manager, and disable / enable my wired connection to get it to DHCP.
[23:05] <Pentarex> Alex135: nope i am not registred
[23:05] <jklinck> Alex135: no guess, try to google for your hardware components in combination with ubuntu
[23:05] <ali__> wat should i do?
[23:06] <Pentarex> Alex135: w8 a sec
[23:06] <Alex135> jklinck: alright ill try that, thx
[23:06] <tzd> Artimus: no worries mate :) copying as we speak.
[23:06] <Alex135> Pentarex: alright, while i wait il lget up the info i need
[23:06] <Artimus> tzd: When you're done, you're going to need to tell the box to mount sda8 (or whatever you said it was) as your new home partition.
[23:06] <sensae> Anyone know what's up and how I can fix it? It interferes with my NFS mounting in fstab
[23:07] <Pentarex> Alex135: but how to reg :(
[23:08] <Alex135> Pentarex: 1 sec
[23:08] <tzd> Artimus:  right. I do this by editing the /etc/fstab correct?
[23:08] <Alex135> Pentarex: forgot how to reg in irc...
[23:08] <Artimus> tzd: I think there's actually a nice way to do it in KDE.  I've never tried it.
[23:09] <Pentarex> i think it was /msg cs reg but ...
[23:09] <Artimus> tzd: It's called Disk & Filesystems.  It should be under System Administration...
[23:09] <tzd> Artimus: you mean via the control center? I'm in there as well although I'm quite sure the settings won't last?
[23:10] <Pentarex> Alex135: when u rdy i am too
[23:10] <Alex135> Pentarex: /msg nickserv register <your-password>
[23:11] <tzd> Artimus: I'll give the kde another chance ;)
[23:11] <Artimus> tzd: Anything that requires you to click the Administer button is pretty permanent :P
[23:12] <tzd> Artimus: should be alright then... probably just me doing something wrong in there... this time i'll be more careful
[23:12] <Artimus> tzd: Otherwise, adding an fstab line isn't too hard.  I've  just never used the little GUI thing.  I still use apt from the command line out of habbit
[23:13] <tzd> Artimus: yeah im usually more into the whole GUI thing although it's quite nice using commands as well
[23:14] <Artimus> tzd: I recommend you just move your old home directory when you're done, rather than delete it.  Just in case things didn't work.
[23:15] <jack_spratt> its possible to install kubuntu onto a 2gb usb pendrive isnt it?
[23:15] <ali__> so wat about my Kontact not working?
[23:16] <tzd> Artimus: alright, added: /home to mount location. Type is ext3. Checked the options: "activate on start" and "writeable". Mount rights are set to: Only system admin can activate or inactivate
[23:16] <Artimus> tzd: Sounds right to me.  Click save if there's a save button and quit out.  We'll check fstab just to verify.
[23:16] <tzd> Artimus: ok, will run mv /home /home.bak
[23:16] <Artimus> tzd: Not quite yet
[23:17] <Artimus> tzd: You don't want to do that until right before you reboot...
[23:17] <tzd> Artimus: ok
[23:17] <genii> jack_spratt: If you basically copy the livecd version and modify the fstab 2Gb is OK. If you want a fullblown install, look more towards 4Gb
[23:17] <Artimus> tzd: Alright, open a terminal and run this as a normal user:  cat /etc/fstab | grep home
[23:17] <tzd> Artimus: i've clicked ok and set the mount point etc, although, the partition is inactivated?
[23:18] <sensae> Every time I start up I have to go into the network manager, and disable / enable my wired connection to get it to DHCP. Anyone know how to fix this?
[23:18] <Artimus> tzd: The command will tell you if it worked.  It should spit out a line, please paste that line here (it's not that long)
[23:18] <tzd> Artimus:  /dev/sda8 /home ext3 nouser,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[23:18] <jack_spratt> genii: more towards? will a fresh install fit on a 2gb one?
[23:18] <Artimus> tzd: That's fine.  /dev/sda8 was your new partition, right?
[23:18] <genii> jack_spratt: No, not enough room. Default install is about 2.6G
[23:18] <tzd> Artimus: yep :)
[23:19] <jack_spratt> hmm, are kubuntu xubuntu any smaller do you know?
[23:19] <Demonho-br> helloooo
[23:19] <Artimus> tzd: Alright.  Close anything you have open (specifically any email clients).  mv /home /homebak
[23:19] <Demonho-br> hello,  my keyboard is u.s  im running kde  and i can see the flag u.s  in my panel.. but i cant type  everything right. ´e  ´a   C~ao    i want these symbols.. above letters. how can i do it ?
[23:19] <genii> jack_spratt: Xubuntu takes just about 2G, very close
[23:19] <Artimus> tzd: Then reboot and hope for the best...  Everything looks right to me.
[23:20] <Demonho-br> in kcontrol i had set.  use keyboard layout. its  us   intl  keyboard model pc105   because its a notebook
[23:20] <Demonho-br> :(
[23:20] <tzd> Artimus: the "nouser" in fstab.. that doesn't affect my right to use the partition as user?
[23:20] <Artimus> tzd: That just says that you as a user can't unmount it
[23:20] <tzd> Artimus: ok cool. ok, will give it a go and hopefully I'm back within the next 5-10 minutes. Thanks for your help and patience in this matter! Highly appreciated! :)
[23:21] <Artimus> tzd: I wish you the best
[23:21] <tzd> Artimus:  cheers :)
[23:23] <genii> jack_spratt: A way of basically using the Casper version (livecd) and moving then modifying some files on it to work on a usb stick can be found here: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar
[23:24] <genii> jack_spratt: That will run on less than 1 Gb leaving room for installing a few things
[23:25] <yurimxpxman> what can I use to convert a video to VOB?
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> k3b
[23:25] <tekteen> yurimxpxman: mencoder
[23:26] <tekteen> yurimxpxman: for a gui dvd creator use devede
[23:26] <tekteen> !info devede
[23:26] <ubotu> devede (source: devede): program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[23:26] <Edulix> hi sometimes alsa amarok (using xine backend) says that the device is in use
[23:27] <Edulix>  I restart alsa (/etc/init.d/alsa restart) and it still says so
[23:27] <Edulix>  and the only way I've found to fix it is..rebooting
[23:27] <Edulix> (not even cat /dev/random > /dev/audio works, it says "device busy")
[23:28] <crimsun> well, using oss emulation is blocking unless you have hardware capable of multiopen.
[23:28] <crimsun> so, as root/using sudo, lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*
[23:28] <jack_spratt> genii: thats really great thanks
[23:30] <genii> jack_spratt: np
[23:31] <sub[t]rnl> heres another usefull page for all things usb. http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[23:32] <pdenapo> Hi, the latest kernel 2.6.22.14.21 for gutsy seems to have some nasty bug. My computer fails to boot with it,it hangs with a message "waiting  for the root filesystem"
[23:33] <pdenapo> the kernel 2.6.25-5 from hardy has the same problem. However a _vanilla_ 2.6.24 kernel compiled by hand just works fine
[23:33] <pdenapo> I seems to be something related to the ide disk
[23:34] <genii> pdenapo: Likely your initram does not not contain the driver needed to understand what ide controller driver to load prior to mounting root fs
[23:35] <c1|freaky> ok now again. i have a question about apt-pinning. i installed drivers from ati.com and dont want ubuntu to upgrade the drivers to the ubuntu versions. i wrote the following in /etc/apt/preferences: http://main.freakyy.de/apt-pinning.txt - it still tries to install ubuntu packages when doing apt-get upgrade - can someone help me and tell me what im doing wrong?
[23:35] <pdenapo> I just skiped using the initrd
[23:35] <pdenapo> and the vanilla kernel works
[23:35] <jack_spratt> genii: how would I go about making a fresh kubuntu install share an existing KDE distro's /home directory?
[23:35] <pdenapo> I would like to report the bug properly, however how may I capture the messages from a kernel that fails to boot?
[23:36] <jack_spratt> pdenapo: boot up a livecd, and access the logs
[23:36] <genii> c1|freaky: Since the ubuntu drivers are contained within the meta-package of restricted-drivers it could be a bit tricky if you use other restricted drivers than the ati one
[23:36] <c1|freaky> im using ati drivers but from ati.com
[23:36] <c1|freaky> i dont want to use the ones from kubuntu
[23:36] <c1|freaky> they never worked for me.
[23:37] <Pentarex> Alex135:
[23:37] <c1|freaky> and now they even try to replace the working ones ^^
[23:37] <Alex135> Pentarex: yes?
[23:37] <tzd> Artimus: that didn't work I'm afraid. The error message i get when i try to login is: "could not start kstartup config"
[23:37] <Pentarex> how to id
[23:37] <Alex135> ?
[23:37] <Pentarex> how to identified me
[23:37] <genii> jack_spratt: Is the /home on a separate partition ?
[23:37] <jack_spratt> no
[23:38] <Pentarex> to ident my nickname
[23:38] <Pentarex> ?
[23:38] <Alex135>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[23:38] <Demonho-br> what about my Keyboard !! ?
[23:38] <pdenapo> jack_spratt: the problem is that if the kernel cannot mount the root filesystem, syslog won't just work
[23:38] <jack_spratt> genii: no
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> c1|freaky➜ is there a reason your leaving out the pin-priority in your /etc/apt/prefrences?
[23:39] <jack_spratt> pdenapo: im not sure sorry
[23:39] <c1|freaky> sub[t]rnl: its optional ..
[23:39] <c1|freaky> ill try priority 99
[23:39] <c1|freaky> ?
[23:39] <sub[t]rnl> try 1001
[23:40] <pdenapo> jack_spratt: many thanks anyway
[23:40] <jack_spratt> :)
[23:40] <andre_> hello all...
[23:40] <c1|freaky> sub[t]rnl: still tries to upgrade :((
[23:41] <jack_spratt> genii:?
[23:41] <tzd> Artimus: actually now when i checked my home dir, the free space is a lot bigger (it's using the partition). Although it won't work when i move the default home directory.
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> mmmkay, patience certainly got interesting with the new version
[23:41] <andre_> i was using gnu/linux many years ... - in many distros (suse6.2-9.2 / debian3.1/4.0 gentoo lfs and so on) - but kubuntu is the best distro off all !!!
[23:42] <andre_> iam thanking all developers of kubuntu !
[23:42] <andre_> ubuntu is better as distro, but i dont like gnome, so iam using kubuntu...
[23:43] <Daisuke_Ido> just out of curiosity, why don't you like gnome?
[23:43] <Chaos_17> test
[23:44] <genii_> Gah. Ghosted
[23:44] <andre_> cause it have to less options for personalisations...
[23:45] <andre_> hope my english is not to broken *g
[23:45] <genii> c1|freaky: Did you get my last message or 2?
[23:45] <genii> jack_spratt: So as I gather.. you want to keep a standalone install on hard drive, then occasionally boot to usb but use the /home on the hard drive as the /home when you boot to usb?
[23:47] <andre_> of course, i mean the best desktop-distro... on servers i would prefer debian or gentoo
[23:47] <Daisuke_Ido> i wouldn't recommend gentoo unless you like working on your computer more than getting work done
[23:47] <Daisuke_Ido> debian on a server, most definitely
[23:48] <jack_spratt> genii: perhaps, but im also considering squeezing kubuntu onto a 4gb ish partition next to an existing kde based linux install, and to save space and to make for ease of use, have them both share the same /home folder
[23:48] <c1|freaky> i got it to work
[23:48] <c1|freaky> i forgot the version part
[23:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i just hear a lot of new users saying "oh, i hate gnome" and i have to ask why...  and i inevitably get the same answer: "you can't change it" and i have to ask "did you try it, or were you just told that gnome sucks?"  most of the time, they're just told and never bother to look for themselves.
[23:48] <jack_spratt> genii: does that sound plausible? cant i just set the home mount point on another automounted partition?
[23:48] <c1|freaky> thank you :D
[23:49] <andre_> Daisuke_Ido, i dont understand why u wouldnt recommend gentoo
[23:49] <genii> jack_spratt: Yes, that will work.
[23:50] <jack_spratt> genii so during the installation process i have the opportunity to set the home mount point, and then i can point it to another partition
[23:50] <jack_spratt> genii: and the .kde files etc being shared wont mess up either one of the installations?
[23:50] <andre_> gentoo is great if u need special server-applicatioons...  or secial settings
[23:50] <genii> jack_spratt: You could also do something like put a bindmount of /mountpoint/harddrive/home /home     or so
[23:50] <genii> jack_spratt: So that all new users will also be created on the hd as well and not on the usb
[23:51] <jack_spratt> genii, hmm, whats a bindmount?
[23:51] <jack_spratt> ! bindmount
[23:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bindmount - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:51] <genii> jack_spratt: bind mount is to mount a directory somewhere else
[23:52] <jack_spratt> i see like a permanent virual link
[23:52] <tlayton> hmm, with today's updates, it's like my mouse driver is loaded twice. every click is a double click, including on spaces like the window bars. anybody?
[23:53] <jack_spratt> genii: ok that sounds like it could work - can you create a bindmount without using cli?
[23:53] <genii> jack_spratt: Well, best is to put an fstab entry for it, but you may have to use cli for that part.
[23:54] <jack_spratt> genii: ok im pretty comfortable with fsmount
[23:54] <jack_spratt> genii: you see, my dads familiar with pclos, but only kubuntu will work with his video card without VESA
[23:54] <sensae> Hrm. Would I have a problem mounting an NFS of my /home on an openSuSE system right on top of my home on Kubuntu?
[23:55] <jack_spratt> genii:so to have both might be a compramise (windows is already on there in another partition)
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> what's his video card?
[23:56] <genii> jack_spratt: I would say to setup the kubuntu usb stick with whatever default user, then afterwards create a new user with same name as on hd. Then make an fstab entry for just that user to mount for instance /mnt/olddrive/home/username  to usb dir of /home/username
[23:57] <jack_spratt> Daisuke_Ido: intel 845 chipset
[23:57] <jack_spratt> genii: sounds like a plan, very useful, thanks
[23:58] <genii> jack_spratt: np
[23:58] <Daisuke_Ido> ow...
[23:59] <jack_spratt> Daisuke_Ido: meh, just tried replacing the i810 drivers on pclos07 with that from kubuntu, but it still just freezes on test like before