[00:10] <coz_> hey guys
[00:11] <coz_> I am running hardy alpha4 here and noticed that when doing a command that requires a password the prompt has changed to  " [sudo] password for " username" "  is there a way to change the password prompt back to just  "password" ?
[00:18] <coz_> ah oh nevermind just found it :)
[00:18] <stdin> coz_: you can do "sudo -p "password:" command"
[00:19] <dn4> any ideas on why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stops and writes the xorg.config file right after setting up the keyboard?
[00:21] <dn4> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:36] <dn4> hmm ok
[00:36] <dn4> so there is emphasis on a minimal xorg.config
[00:50] <dn4> this is wack on crack man, I re-wrote my xorg.config for a higher resolution but it does not recognize it
[00:53] <mixandgo> hello, anyone has any idea why in ubuntu 8.04 evolution won't send/receive mail
[00:54] <rsk> mixandgo: cause it's alpha
[00:54] <mixandgo> rsk, well, ok but it's not working at all ?
[00:55] <RAOF> mixandgo: Works for me
[00:55] <mixandgo> RAOF, i had this popup message at startup but I closed it
[00:55] <mixandgo> dunno what it said
[00:55] <mixandgo> maybe I missed some important info
[00:56] <RAOF> Hm.  In what way does in not send/recieve mail?
[00:56] <mixandgo> it's greyeed out
[00:56] <mixandgo> I cannot click it
[00:57] <RAOF> Odd.  Do you have any accounts set up?
[00:57] <mixandgo> of course
[00:57] <mixandgo> about 6 of them
[00:57] <RAOF> Ah!  Perhaps it believes you are offline?
[00:57] <RAOF> Bottom left hand corner - there's a connector-like icon.
[00:58] <RAOF> Dear kdm4: get your filthy hands off my gdm!
[01:00] <mixandgo> RAOF, yeah that was it. THANK YOU !!! :D
[01:00] <RAOF> Heh.  It's probably integrating with network manager - is that working correctly?
[01:01] <mixandgo> I guess so
[01:01] <mixandgo> everything seems to work fine
[01:01] <RAOF> Eh.  Maybe you accidentally clicked on that at some point.  Who knows? :)
[01:01] <RAOF> If this reoccurs, feel free to file a bug.  Especially if you can work out how to trigger it.
[01:02] <mixandgo> I also had some ... glitches with motion
[01:02] <mixandgo> on upgrade
[01:02] <mixandgo> I mean, it kept taking snapshots in /tmp
[01:02] <mixandgo> and it kept going for about 20min
[01:02] <mixandgo> when I Crt-C it
[01:07] <mixandgo> are there any repos I need to add ?
[01:07] <mixandgo> cause I cannot install libungif
[01:11] <RAOF> mixandgo: That's because nothing should be using libungif anymore.  If you've found a package that needs it, check whether there's an existing bug about it.
[01:11] <mixandgo> it's emacs cvs
[01:11] <RAOF> You mean emacs-snapshot?
[01:12] <mixandgo> no, i mean emacs from cva
[01:12] <mixandgo> emacs 23
[01:12] <RAOF> As in: trying to build emacs from CVS?  Install libgif-dev.
[01:12] <mixandgo> I allready had emacs from cvs
[01:12] <mixandgo> and now libungif was removed
[01:13] <mixandgo> but I reinstalled it
[01:13] <RAOF> libungif is just an unmaintained version of libgif that doesn't do encoding to gifs.
[01:13] <mixandgo> and everything works ok
[01:13] <mixandgo> I see.... so, maybe emacs should use libgif then
[01:13] <RAOF> Indeed it should
[01:13] <mixandgo> probably it's got a configure option
[01:13] <mixandgo> but I don't remember exactly
[01:13] <RAOF> If you're building from source, you can accomplish that by simply removing libungif and installing libgif.
[01:14] <RAOF> mixandgo: They're drop-in compatible.  No configure options required.
[01:14] <RAOF> Just a rebuild.
[01:14] <mixandgo> aha, ok, thanks
[01:37] <thompa> anybody got acer acpi module working on latest kernel?
[01:38] <thompa> or is it in kernel already?
[01:43] <ethana2> so...acpi needs its own drivers?
[01:44] <ethana2> ...which would differ by laptop?
[01:44] <ethana2> is this why HAL can't hibernate happily on our toshiba?
[01:44] <ethana2> ....ever?
[02:31]  * DanaG finally fixed that subpixel hinting... it turns out the 'legacy' constant was renamed.
[02:54] <freakyy> hi all. im trying to install the ati drivers but my xorg.conf seems to be incomplete. its missing a device section for the graphics card - still it is running without further problems. i still want to install the ati drivers. when doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg nothign special happens
[02:55] <freakyy> i mean
[02:55] <freakyy> no device is added, theres no step where i choose a driver from existing ones
[02:56] <freakyy> also the monitor configuration step with refresh and sync rates also isnt processed - i mean, doesnt even ... appear
[02:56] <freakyy> so, what can i do so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does, what it used to do without missing out those steps so my xorg.conf is complete?
[02:58] <freakyy> also the touchpad configuration is left out - or mouse - the emulate 3buttons stuff -
[02:58] <freakyy> nothing appears anymore
[02:58] <freakyy> im lost
[02:59] <freakyy> any help is much appreciated!
[02:59] <freakyy> (or how to say that in english
[03:02] <freakyy> can noone help me :(
[03:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, dpkg-reconfigure for xorg has been drastically simplified in Hardy.
[03:15] <freakyy> can i do nothing about that?
[03:16] <DanaG> I usually just edit xorg.conf manually.  I have one configuration I just keep somewhere.
[03:16] <freakyy> :((
[03:19] <freakyy> now i cant install the ati drivers :((
[03:24] <DanaG> Sure you can... try displayconfig-gtk.
[03:27] <DanaG> wtf/  my end key got wedged.
[03:28] <DanaG> i can't use shift, either.
[03:28] <DanaG> xorg thinks my 'end' key is stuck down.
[03:29] <DanaG> Well, that was frickin' annoying.
[03:40] <DanaG> Aah, keyboard repeat is what's broken.
[03:40] <DanaG> Well, that's part of it.
[03:40] <DanaG> I held down my 'end' key until it started repeating, and then disabled repeating.
[03:40] <DanaG> Then I tried re-enabling repeat, and it didn't work.
[03:41] <DanaG> And now all my function keys are screwy.
[03:41] <DanaG> I have to hit ctrl-z-z to get ctrl-z.
[03:42] <DanaG> That's just plain weird.
[03:44] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, definitely
[03:44] <DanaG> Another odd thing: killing gnome-settings-daemon fixes it.
[03:47] <ethana3> if i would describe everything in gnome as laggy on good hardware
[03:47] <ethana3> what would you recommend i do about it?
[03:48] <ethana3> i think i'll start killing processes ^_^
[03:49] <ethana3> my RAM is nowhere near full, but my swap has 22MB in it
[03:50] <ethana3> python was zombie...
[03:51] <DanaG> Oh hell, somehow even ctrl-alt-backspace is now broken.
[03:51] <RAOF> Swap being non-empty is not necessarily an indication of ram pressure.  The kernel will tend to swap out really infrequently used pages when idle.
[03:51] <DanaG> xev gives this:      state 0xc, keycode 22 (keysym 0xfed5, Terminate_Server), same_screen YES,
[03:52] <ethana3> ..any ideas on why gnome isn't really snappy right now?
[03:52] <ethana3> like in pidgin, at the rate i type, I'll be two words ahead of the text as it shows up sometimes
[03:52] <ethana3> and that really messes with me
[03:54] <RAOF> ethana3: I had troubles with the -rt kernel - it was extremely non-snappy, to the point of being essentially unresponsive.
[03:54] <ethana3> is the -rt kernel the one this hardy alpha uses?
[03:54] <alteregolio> for unknow reason supertux2 doesnt work
[03:55] <RAOF> ethana3: Not unless you've explicitly installed it
[03:55] <ethana3> i did nothing of that sort
[03:55] <ethana3> it just seems..  laggy
[03:55] <ethana3> and i think.. that means something's wrong?
[03:56] <ethana3> whoa
[03:56] <ethana3> when i make windows smaller.. they perfom drastically better
[03:56] <ethana3> i think this has to do with texture sizes on my radeon
[03:58] <ethana3> how do i check the maximum texture size of my card?
[04:00] <RAOF> ethana3: It's easy to tell -
[04:00] <RAOF> If the window has contents, then it's below the max texture size ;)
[04:00] <ethana3> ..uh, i would think it would just use multiple
[04:01] <ethana3> ..but when dealing with 4 square textures or 6 instead of one, i would expect a perfomance hit
[04:01] <ethana3> i'm not sure i know what i'm talking about exactly.. but i thought there was a simple way to tell
[04:02] <ethana3> glxinfo | grep texture...
[04:02] <alteregolio> 4096x4096 or something
[04:03] <RAOF> ethana3: No, it doesn't do anything like that.  If the window is too big, it just doesn't work.
[04:03] <ethana3> Well on an old card, is it conceivable that that size could be, say, 512x512 ?
[04:03] <ethana3> oh
[04:03] <DanaG> Hmm, cannot open input pEvdev.
[04:03] <DanaG> Odd.
[04:03] <ethana3> so then it's gnome...
[04:03] <RAOF> ethana3: No.  Compiz won't start unless your desktop resolution is < MAX_TEXURE_SIZE
[04:04] <ethana3> that makes sense i guess
[04:04] <ethana3> but what would do this?
[04:08] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443292
[04:08] <ubotu> Debian bug 443292 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "Mouse: cannot open input pEvdev" [Important,Open]
[04:17] <DanaG> Now I can't use evdev for keyboard.
[04:32] <ethana3> so when firefox 3 switches tabs.. does it re-render the page before displaying it?
[04:33] <RAOF> I don't know.  Possibly it caches the tabs.
[04:33] <alteregolio> yeah, it re-renders
[04:33] <ethana3> so if i wanted it to save the rendering, i'd have no basis to complain about memory usage..
[04:34] <ethana3> and it would really only be the /illusion/ of snappiness
[04:34] <alteregolio> thats why i avoid firefork
[04:35] <ethana3> If epiphany had an ad blocker and user agent switcher i'd use it.
[04:58]  * DanaG uses firefox-3.0 for several reasons.
[04:58] <DanaG> One is that the redirect-blocking thingie makes http-redirect login pages less annoying.
[05:00] <ethana3> i use ff3 when i can
[05:00] <ethana3> but when i need scim, i have to use epiphany
[05:00] <ethana3> so where is the bloat, exactly?  in gecko, or just the parts around it?
[05:00] <ethana3> using XUL for your UI is instant FAIL
[05:01] <DanaG> Tab Mix Plus on Firefox 3.0 == fail.
[05:01] <ethana3> well of course-- it's an extension
[05:01] <ethana3> ^_^
[05:01] <hydrogen> using firefox = fail
[05:01] <hydrogen> that is all
[05:01] <DanaG> Nope, I disagree.
[05:01] <ethana3> so gecko vs. webkit-- which is better?
[05:02] <ethana3> i really wonder that..
[05:02] <ethana3> you can't lock yourself to the lowest common denominator on every platform and expect to excell
[05:07] <ethana3> hydrogen: browser of choice?
[05:07] <hydrogen> opera
[05:07] <ethana3> oooooh
[05:07] <ethana3> i tried it, and i hated it
[05:07] <ethana3> ....and it's proprietary, so it won't run on the PS3
[05:08] <ethana3> ..actually, it might, i don't know if they've done a PPC compile.. regardless
[05:08] <hydrogen> it's pretty much the best browser option
[05:09] <DanaG> Opinions, all.
[05:09] <ethana3> yes
[05:09] <DanaG> I don't like the way the address bar and tab bar are in Opera.
[05:09] <ethana3> for me, it's webkit and gecko
[05:09] <ethana3> first, i want to know which one is better...
[05:10] <ethana3> i'll decide browsers from there.
[05:10] <hydrogen> the one that works..
[05:10] <DanaG> Perhaps there is no "better".
[05:10] <ethana3> ok
[05:10] <ethana3> more features = better; less memory used = better; more responsive = better
[05:11] <ethana3> i used dillo and elinks
[05:12] <ethana3> ...when i completely murder an install, and nothing else works..
[05:13] <h3sp4wn_> The cvs of dillo2 is quite nice if you are lucky enough to check it out when its working
[05:16] <crimsun> ok, good.  alsa-source now does the right thing with suspend-to-ram, pulseaudio, and GSt
[05:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me... I forgot to re-test capture.
[05:16] <DanaG> Nope, still hangs.
[05:16] <crimsun> with alsa-source?
[05:17] <DanaG> I haven't built from source myself.
[05:17] <crimsun> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16rc2.
[05:17] <crimsun> Compiled on Feb  5 2008 for kernel 2.6.24-5-generic (SMP).
[05:17] <crimsun> ii  alsa-modules-2.6.24-5-generic                 1.0.16~rc2-0ubuntu1+2.6.24-5.8             ALSA modules for kernel 2.6.24-5-generic
[05:17] <DanaG> eek, cat /proc/asound/version
[05:17] <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.15 (Tue Nov 20 19:16:42 2007 UTC).
[05:18] <crimsun> I uploaded a snap last night with the most important HDA fixes backported
[05:20] <DanaG> Hmm, I'll try building with module-assistant.
[05:22] <crimsun> DanaG: remember to log out of any X sessions, log into a tty, and use "sudo /sbin/alsa force
[05:22] <crimsun> err
[05:23] <crimsun> "sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload"  afterward
[05:23] <DanaG> How about the reload-alsa.sh?
[05:23] <crimsun> accomplishes the same
[05:23] <crimsun> although hardy ships the original alsa initscript (just as /sbin/alsa)
[05:24] <crimsun> (not the upstream /etc/init.d/alsasound but the original Debian alsa initscript)
[05:29] <DanaG> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16rc2.
[05:29] <DanaG> Compiled on Feb  5 2008 for kernel 2.6.24-5-generic (SMP).
[05:30] <DanaG> Still hangs on record.
[05:30] <DanaG> ALSA /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/pci/hda/../../alsa-kernel/pci/hda/hda_intel.c:588: hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x008f1c00
[05:32] <DanaG> Oh, and I just thought of something I should wishlist: udev rule to unload emu10k1 after last card of such type is removed.
[05:33] <DanaG> Funny message on opening alsamixer on a usb sound card and then removing said sound card:
[05:33] <DanaG> alsamixer: function snd_mixer_poll_descriptors (POLLNVAL) failed: Success
[05:33] <crimsun> DanaG: ok.  grep -nHr "options snd-hda-intel" /etc/modprobe.d*
[05:34] <DanaG> options snd-hda-intel index=0 power_save=5 power_save_controller=1
[05:34] <DanaG> I added the two power-save options myself, but I believe it was still broken even without them.
[05:39] <crimsun> we don't handle ./configure options properly yet
[05:39] <crimsun> (using m-a)
[05:42] <freakyy> DanaG: that program doesnt work at all for me
[05:45] <DanaG> Hmm, should I retry building it manually?
[05:45] <crimsun> you can just edit the source
[05:46] <DanaG> What do I need to edit?
[05:48] <crimsun> nothing
[05:48] <crimsun> I just checked; it's just currently hardcoded to support *_POWER_SAVE
[05:50] <crimsun> hmm, I need a single-stepper for that driver.
[05:54] <DanaG> Hmm, by 'single-stepper', do you mean a person, or a test driver?
[05:55] <crimsun> DanaG: meaning a way to poke at the codec with single_cmd=1
[05:55] <crimsun> I'm not convinced your codec isn't just broken with some screwage workaround in $other_oses' drivers
[05:55] <freakyy> i dont understand why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now doesn't do what it did anymore :(
[05:56] <DanaG> Hmm, some time I can try an older BIOS version.
[05:56] <DanaG> I posted my BIOS changelog on my web space at www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette
[05:57] <DanaG> That reminds me of another random 'feature' on my laptop: fn-super is ctrl-alt-del.
[05:58] <DanaG> Capture works in XP with Gateway's driver and in Vista with both Gateway's and Microsoft's stock driver.
[06:00] <crimsun> what was your SSID again?
[06:00] <DanaG> From changelog: Change audio verb table for Vista DTM test.
[06:01] <DanaG> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
[06:01] <DanaG> 	Subsystem: Gateway 2000 Unknown device [107b:0681]
[06:04] <crimsun> DanaG: can you post the driver file, preferably extracted?
[06:04] <DanaG> The .sys file?
[06:04] <crimsun> XP, please
[06:04] <crimsun> and .inf, etc.
[06:05] <DanaG> I've actually used two different driver versions in XP: Gateway's, with broken Stereo Mix, and Intel's with INI modded to match, for working Stereo Mix.
[06:06] <crimsun> separately posted would be appreciated
[06:07] <snax> hello
[06:08] <snax> anyone have any luck with the new version of emacs-snapshot which supposedly has Xft support?
[06:08] <DanaG> I've put each in a separate folder.
[06:09] <h3sp4wn_> snax: Used it a few months ago briefly
[06:10] <snax> the latest update is supposed to have Xft (antialiasing) support but it doesn't appear to work
[06:10] <h3sp4wn_> dunno when I used it I just had a patch against the cs
[06:20] <crimsun> ooh, that /is/ interesting
[06:20] <crimsun> this codec does patching inline
[06:21] <DanaG> Patching inline?
[06:22] <crimsun> the pin behaviour changes at runtime depending which jack is used
[06:22] <crimsun> meaning the alsa driver incorrectly assumes that the pin configs remain static
[06:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and on the bug report here, I posted a link to specs:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/111145
[06:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[06:23] <crimsun> yeah, I'll see if I can wrangle some weekend time for it
[06:23] <DanaG> Cool.
[06:24] <DanaG> Also look at my comments on that bug.  Thanks!
[06:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, which pin is it that's switched on plug-in?
[06:33] <DanaG> That reminds me of another thing: the mic jack is stereo, and the line-in jack does not exist.  I haven't tested the CD input, though.
[06:33] <crimsun> 0x0D
[06:38] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't worked with HDA codecs to know how the various pin settings work.
[06:40] <crimsun> well, under ordinary circumstances, you'd change /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/alsa-kernel/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c::stac925x_PA6_pin_configs[]
[06:41] <crimsun> here, however, the entire pin_configs[] is moot, because the infrastructure doesn't permit /changing the configs at runtime/
[06:43] <DanaG> One of my friends has a Dell XPS M1330 with an audio chip that supports two configs per pin:  (mic/line or center/sub), (headphone2 or rear), and (headphone1 or front).
[06:44] <DanaG> Could I just edit the pin config to use the setup it switches to, rather than what it starts on?
[06:45] <crimsun> sure, but you're also assuming it's a fairly "regular" codec.
[06:45] <crimsun> make sure your friend is using our 1.0.16~rc2-0ubuntu1
[06:48] <DanaG> I'll have to install that the next time I see her.  I'm curious to see what it'll be able to do in Linux.
[06:58] <Tuv0k> gnome login broken agaun, forgot how to fix
[06:58] <Tuv0k> login to gnome just restarts gdm
[07:46] <am^2u> i just installed hardy yesterday , but i cant seem to conect to the internet using the eth0
[07:47] <am^2u> all settings are same as were on gutsy , but this one fails to connect. it doesnt even open the router admin oage when i point FF to it
[07:49] <am^2u> also, alsa doesnt show me the option of 2ch,4ch,6ch sound
[07:49] <am^2u> I am running a Asus m2n-vm dvi motherbaord with no soundcard
[08:05] <guardian> hi
[08:06] <guardian> tried to install kubuntu from hardy alpha 4
[08:06] <guardian> when clicking the "kinda last instal button" of the installer, it brings me back to the timezone selection
[08:49] <oly-> hi, i have just been trying virt-manager, and hit a problem pxe boot is not working after looking further i think this is because it has not detected my network cards, has anyone else hit this problem ?
[08:50] <oly-> when i go into virtual networks config page, its empty and all the options are greyed out
[08:50] <oly-> i am guessing it should list both my physical network cards there
[08:51] <DanaG> ‏‮Right-to-Left Override!  And Right-to-Left Marker, too.
[08:53] <c1|freaky> hi all. where is the wallpaper in hardy located (the new kubuntu one)?
[10:03] <Oli``> Anybody having issues with libxen3.2_3.2.0-0ubuntu3_i386.deb ?
[10:06] <clusty> was wondering what does the server edition of ubuntu bring new?
[10:14] <avatar_> clusty: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[10:24] <thorns> Hi everyone!
[10:25] <thorns> Do we get prime time news about Hardy in here?
[10:25] <rsk> thorns: not so much
[10:25] <rsk> mostly questions about howto fix something that broke in hardy =:)
[10:26] <thorns> Heh
[10:26] <thorns> That's great too
[10:26] <thorns> But I have to say it's running perfectly here.
[10:27] <thorns> What's the latest broken thing?
[10:28] <rsk> i think pidgin
[10:28] <rsk> coredumps for some
[10:30] <thorns> Hmm
[10:31] <thorns> I'm running KDE so... :)
[10:31] <thorns> Kopete is for kids so all I'm left with is Psi (I use Jabber)
[10:32] <thorns> Kopete is like the mirror image of Pidgin, one for Gnome and one for KDE.
[10:32] <thorns> And I've had both crash :)
[10:32] <thorns> Not Psi however ;)
[10:33] <rsk> :)
[10:33] <rsk> im waiting a while before i upgrade to hardy
[10:34] <rsk> only have 0.25mbit internet connection
[10:34] <thorns> :)
[10:34] <rsk> wouldn't be able to surf the web any time of the day
[10:34] <rsk> if i have to download maybe 100mb updates everyday :/
[10:35] <rsk> i think closer to beta maybe
[10:35] <thorns> You do?
[10:35] <rsk> not so much updates then
[10:37] <thorns> rsk: Well I don't think I see that many updates a day
[10:37] <thorns> I have this installation since Sunday
[10:38] <thorns> I think I've only updated twice, once when I installed and once today. Today's update was <=2MB
[10:38] <Tuv0k> gedit is unusable
[10:39] <thorns> BTW I have a very fluctuant connection to the internet. I get about 1MB/s, 80kB/s on average. :)
[10:39] <thorns> Tuv0k: ^^
[10:39] <thorns> Tuv0k: What about Kate?
[10:39] <Tuv0k> I care less about kate
[10:40] <thorns> Ahaha
[10:40] <thorns> I see.
[11:05] <thorns> Hey, has all kde4 packages been built for amd64?
[11:06] <thorns> *have
[11:08] <thorns> Yahoooooo! :-D (sorry, couldn't help myself)
[11:30] <mrtimdog> Anyone here using network-manager-vpnc?
[12:12] <persia> Hi.  My workstation doesn't reboot anymore due to a complaint that it cannot resume (cannot read from the resume partition).  This message doesn't seem to end up in syslog or dmesg, and my workstation never sleeps (although it is off sometimes).  Could anyone point me towards where I should be fixing this?  Does anyone else have this issue so that I should be filing a bug?
[12:13] <persia> Oh.  By "doesn't reboot", I mean "prompts for human action in VT1 when the focus is somewhere else at reboot".
[12:25] <dennda> Hey there
[12:26] <dennda> Hardys user-interface is lacking the ability to enable horizontal and vertical scrollbars on laptop-touchpads. This is a regression. Is there any way to set that manually?
[12:27] <dennda> I set that in gconf-editor, but it doesn't work
[12:29] <persia> dennda: You might check bug #173411 for hints on workarounds
[12:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173411 in xorg "[Hardy][Regression] Touchpad vertical scroll does not work" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173411
[12:29] <persia> I think you need a stub xorg.conf for now, until X recognises them properly.
[12:35] <dennda> Ah nice, already known :)
[12:35] <dennda> thanks persia
[12:35] <dennda> Is having problems with a partition while bootup (thus needing to enter "exit" to proceed with booting) a known problem, too?
[12:37] <dennda> err
[12:37] <dennda> forget what I just said
[12:38] <persia> dennda: That was the question I asked just before you came in :)  I just have to press enter in VT1, but it slows the boot considerably.
[12:38] <dennda> (Trying to mount an encrypted file-system without the proper settings in crypttab and such is doomed to fail)
[12:38] <dennda> well
[12:38] <dennda> Maybe there's a problem too
[12:38] <dennda> lemme try
[12:41] <dennda> ok, commenting out the partition in fstab solved the problem for me
[12:42] <dennda> oh
[12:43] <dennda> tapping doesn't work the way I am used to as well
[12:43] <persia> Ah.  For me, it's a failure to resume from the (non-encrypted) swap partition.
[13:16] <h3sp4wn_> persia: It is playing with fire to lvm or encrypted anything on a development version I would say
[13:18] <persia> h3sp4wn: None of my base disks are on LVM, and I'm not using encrypted filesystems.  Unfortunately, the boot process seems to think I am, and as it cannot decrypt a valid resume file from my (unencrypted) swap (which doesn't have a resume file anyway) the boot complains and waits for user input (which is annoyingly invisible until I press Alt-F1)
[13:54] <df7> i was able to install Vmware workstation 6.0.2 or 6.0.1 useing vmware-any-any-update115 but i cannot start created VM. it fails with error "version mismatch with vmmon module: expecting 167.0, got 161.0" any ideas?
[13:55] <Konstigt> maybe you need to build a newer vmmon module
[13:56] <Konstigt> VirtualBox solves this issue automatically instead of just complaining about it :)
[13:57] <df7> virtualbox works fine but i want to try new vmware feature, 3d rendering in guest os
[14:06] <df7> does 32 bit vmware work on 64 bit hardy?
[14:15] <df7> ok problem resolved in vmware-any-any-update-116
[14:31] <pdlnhr1> i have been testing out hardy and have some issues, what is the correct way to file bugs?
[14:32] <Pici> !bugs | pdlnhr1
[14:32] <ubotu> pdlnhr1: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:32] <Pici> pdlnhr1: I usually put "[hardy]" in my bug titles to differentiate them from regular release bugs
[14:33] <pdlnhr1> Pici:  thanks.. i am assuming i search for similar bugs
[14:33] <am^2u> hey , i just installed hardy on a my PC (asus m2n-vm dvi , nforce 630a) . i am not able to connect to my internet. all settings have been double checked
[14:34] <am^2u> cat /etc/resolv.conf has the correct nameservers listed too
[14:34] <pdlnhr1> am^2u:  is the interface up and has an ip?  can you ping your router?
[14:34] <am^2u> no
[14:34] <am^2u> interface is up
[14:35] <pdlnhr1> does it have an ip?
[14:35] <am^2u> i had put it down during the installation due to the scanning mirror problem
[14:35] <am^2u> sudo route -n is blank
[14:36] <am^2u> when i point FF to my router page it doesnt open
[14:36] <pdlnhr1> and ifconfig eth0  shows an ip?
[14:37] <am^2u> wait , i ll show the output of sudo ifconfig eth0
[14:38] <am^2u> http://pastebin.com/m21d2dbec
[14:38] <pdlnhr1> looks like it doesn't have an ipaddress
[14:38] <pdlnhr1> are you using dhcp?
[14:38] <am^2u> no
[14:39] <am^2u> i configured the DHCP
[14:39] <am^2u> to use specefic DNS
[14:41] <iNeo> Is hardy as stable as debian testing? or is it more like unstable?
[14:41] <pdlnhr1> can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[14:41] <pdlnhr1> you and manually add routes to get it working too
[14:41] <am^2u> how do i do that ?
[14:42] <am^2u> i will ahve to log off
[14:42] <am^2u> i am on windows right now
[14:42] <am^2u> since i cant conenct tothe interent :(
[14:42] <pdlnhr1> http://linux.die.net/man/8/route
[14:42] <pdlnhr1> but i would suggest fixing dhcp first
[14:43] <am^2u> you mean enter the correct one ?
[14:43] <am^2u> i checked it again , its correct
[14:44] <pdlnhr1> well.. you said you were trying to use a specific dns server... why don't you just try to set up dhcp normally and see if it works, if it does.. than mess around with a different dns server
[14:44] <pdlnhr1> just how i would do it... or set your ip address manually if you know what it should be
[14:44] <am^2u> that wouldnt work IMO, since it didnt work on fiesty. but i ll try it anyways
[14:45] <am^2u> one more question, the asus m2n-vm DVI board (nofrce630a chipset)
[14:45] <am^2u> is it compatible with ubuntu 7.10/ 8.04
[14:45] <am^2u> nforce*
[14:46] <pdlnhr1> i have no idea.... i can't get dual head in hardy working yet
[14:47] <am^2u> my previous board, asus a8n-vm had an option of switches in alsa
[14:47] <am^2u> to switch between 2ch,4ch,6ch sound
[14:47] <am^2u> however this board gets no such option at all :(
[14:48] <iNeo> Is hardy as stable as debian testing(lenny)? or is it more like unstable(sid)?
[14:48] <pdlnhr1> am^2u:  it is alpha... i think you  just have to roll with it and log bugs... if you can't deal with the issues you can downgrade back
[14:48] <am^2u> but i checked http://www.linux-tested.com/results/asus_m2n-vm_dvi.html
[14:49] <am^2u> interestigly , now even fiesty doesnt get the switches option
[14:49] <jhaig> Is there a roadmap for Hardy somewhere on www.ubuntu.com?  I remember seeing one for Gutsy.
[14:50] <pdlnhr1> there is a release schedule if that is what you mean https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[14:50] <jhaig> Yes, that's what I meant.  Thanks.
[14:57] <phaidros> on a dell xps m1330 lappi I don't have sound with hardy. modules are loaded but the speakers as well as the headphones keep quiet. an y ideas how to investigate?
[14:57] <phaidros> mixers are set as well
[14:57] <phaidros> mplayer using different audio outputs (-ao sdl/pulse/alsa ..) gives also nothing
[15:25] <mndo> !kde4
[15:25] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:26] <Assid> heya
[15:26] <Assid> how goes it
[15:38] <h3sp4wn_> Does kde4 actually look and run ok now ?
[15:41] <Assid> dunno.. im into gnome these days
[15:41] <Assid> those damn qt trolls!!!
[15:44] <h3sp4wn_> I am not really into gnome - but I don't have the time to mess around atm :/
[15:46] <Assid> hrmm
[15:47] <Assid> im planning on using hardy on my primary/work desktop
[15:47] <Assid> not too sure if its a good idea.. but so far.. NO real bad issues with it
[15:47] <Assid> atleast on my laptop
[15:47] <Assid> am just tired of having a shitty looking desktop
[15:51] <h3sp4wn_> For me having a desktop at all distracts me
[15:54] <iNeo> Is hardy as stable as debian testing(lenny)? or is it more like unstable(sid)?
[15:55] <Assid> hardy says mooo
[16:01] <phaidros> sound in hardy is mooo :)
[16:02] <mahmoud_> iNeo: AFAIR, ubuntu releases are based on debian unstable
[16:02] <iNeo> mahmoud_: thanks
[16:04] <h3sp4wn_> iNeo: Its not like either
[16:04] <h3sp4wn_> iNeo: Its like sid most of the time - but usually one or 2 times within the 6 months its completely screwed
[16:04] <iNeo> h3sp4wn_: the reason for asking is: how stable will it be
[16:05] <mahmoud_> iNeo: for what purpose?
[16:05] <h3sp4wn_> Depends on how sensible you are, whether you can use aptitude to fix simple package errors
[16:05] <h3sp4wn_> (or just use safe-upgrade if there is any issues)
[16:06] <iNeo> h3sp4wn_: I work with debian testing for more then 6 years and never had a problem
[16:06] <Pici> iNeo: LTS releases pretty much need to be stable and whats what the devs are working towards for this release.
[16:06] <iNeo> Thanks all, I will update my desktop
[16:07] <h3sp4wn_> iNeo: My problem with it is because of some many arch's something can be perfectly fine but not work on something noone uses it on (and it cannot go to testing until it builds on all)
[16:07] <h3sp4wn_> And if something is fixed it can be broken for ages - At least you get the new stuff straight away with sid (if its broken you have a day at most to wait)
[16:08] <iNeo> h3sp4wn_: Man arch??, I also work with NetBSD that are a lot off archs :))))
[16:09] <iNeo> I'll have a look at it, thanks
[16:51] <Reaby> i have problem with hardy, metacity doesn't load with gnome startup
[16:51] <Reaby> and when i start kaffeine i get folloing error
[16:51] <Reaby> reaby@reaby-desktop:~$ Ikkunointiohjelman varoitus: Buggy client sent a _NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW message with a timestamp of 0 for 0x2400007 (Kaffeine P)
[16:51] <Reaby> Ikkunointiohjelman varoitus: meta_window_activate called by a pager with a 0 timestamp; the pager needs to be fixed.
[16:52] <Reaby> i tried to fix metacity problem by adding metacity to session autostart, but it didn't work
[17:21] <h3sp4wn_> iNeo: With NetBSD does one arch delay all the rest though ? (i.e s390 xorg driver where makes no sense anyway etc)
[17:22] <h3sp4wn_> The good or bad thing about Ubuntu is its likely to release on time ready or almost ready or quite broken
[17:47] <bp|_> Wanted to report a little problem about an update that must have happened earlier today. Herdy releases updates so frequently I'm losing track. It broke DNS connectivity with a NetGear G407 router. Other problem spotted on my Toshiba Equium M70-272 are Azureus crashing on the Torrents tab (failed assertion) without generating an Apport report, nm-applet 0.6.5 crashing when trying to save a network profile.
[17:47] <bp|_> [First problem was worked around thanks to the guys in #ubuntu.]
[18:28] <Assid> man
[18:28] <Assid> thunderbird is faster on windows than on ubuntu
[18:28] <Assid> how crazy is that
[18:43] <c1|freaky> hi all. can someone tell me what i can do if my xorg.conf is incomplete?
[18:43] <c1|freaky> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt help
[18:43] <c1|freaky> it doesnt even configure the mouse anymore
[18:51] <redheat> hi all
[18:52] <redheat> folks, I really really need some help here
[18:52] <redheat> I installed Ubuntu 7.10, but something went wrong and I cant get access to my other two windows ,windows vista and windows xp
[18:52] <redheat> can someone help me ..
[18:53] <Pici> redheat: try #ubuntu for 7.10 support.
[18:53] <redheat> isn\t this the channel for 7.10
[18:53] <redheat> ?
[18:54] <Pici> redheat: No, this is for 8.04 aka Hardy
[18:54] <redheat> oh ok
[18:54] <Pici> redheat: see topic.
[18:54] <redheat> thanks
[18:54] <redheat> oops, sorry didn't read it
[18:54] <redheat> sorry
[19:04] <pdlnhr1> can someone tell me if nautilus-connect-server has been deprecated for hardy?  if so what is to be used now?  or maybe where i can find out myself
[19:07] <lemo> pdlnhr1: it's been off since moving to gvfs - i think it will be back later
[19:08] <pdlnhr1> lemo:  thanks... is there an alternitive i can use in the meantime?
[19:08] <Pici> I've just been typing in things, like: sftp://user@host
[19:08] <lemo> yeah, that's the only one i know :/
[19:09] <pdlnhr1> thanks... that will work
[19:11] <pdlnhr1> and bookmarks work... sweet
[19:15] <Assid> any updates today ?
[19:15] <Pici> Assid: There are always updates.
[19:15] <Assid> hehe
[19:15] <Assid> okay impossible to finish these backups today
[19:15] <Assid> maybe tomorrow
[19:40] <Solarion> so, why does hardy keep forgetting my keyboard modifiers (swap capslock and left control) or no modifiers at all being remembered (alt, ctrl, caps lock do *nothing*)
[19:41] <ethana3> this might have something to do with my problem
[19:41] <ethana3> i don't know, but my caps is a backspace, not a caps
[19:42] <ethana3> ...and that behaviour doesn't even /exist/ in the options
[19:42] <Solarion> bizarre
[19:42] <Solarion> there seems to be a lot of keyboard horkage in hardy
[19:42] <ethana3> hmm
[19:42] <ethana3> well, my layout is new
[19:42] <ethana3> caps lock is worthless
[19:42] <ethana3> we use it as backspace
[19:43] <Solarion> the solution is to log out, make sure gconf is dead, cd into .gconf/desktop/gnome/peripherals and rm -rf keyboard, then log back in again and redo your settings.
[19:43] <Solarion> it'll remember for a while and then it'll get horked again
[19:43] <Solarion> seems random
[19:45] <zucco> I'm having this problem with hardy alpha 4: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23343
[19:57] <mrtimdog> Anyone else use vpnc connecting to a CISCO host and have it drop its connection every few minutes?
[20:09] <bardyr> !info linux-image-generic
[20:09] <ubotu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.5.6 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[20:15] <ethana3> whoa, the kernel's only 52kB?
[20:16] <ethana3> The windows kernel i think is like, literally one thousand times that
[20:16] <ethana3> i must be mistaken.. that's not possible..
[20:16] <Pici> ethana3: Its a metapackage.
[20:18] <ethana3> oh.
[20:18] <ethana3> thank you, Pici.  that makes much more sence.
[20:22] <Infecto> linux-meta
[20:26] <c1|freaky> hi all. can someone help me? is there any tool i can generate a complete xorg.conf with? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg produces a very minimalistic config. which is missing stuff i need to install the ati graphics driver
[20:27] <Pici> c1|freaky: If you're looking to get compiz to work with an ati card on Hardy, it won't work fyi.
[20:27] <ethana3> i'm doing it now
[20:27] <ethana3> but whatever
[20:27] <c1|freaky> no
[20:27] <Pici> ethana3: hrm? you are?
[20:27] <c1|freaky> im trying to install just the graphics driver
[20:27] <ethana3> yes.
[20:28] <ethana3> c1|freaky: what card?
[20:28] <c1|freaky> ati
[20:28] <c1|freaky> mobility x700
[20:28] <ethana3> ok..  how old is that?
[20:28] <Pici> bug 173663
[20:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[20:28] <c1|freaky> i got the driver but the xorg.conf isntr complete
[20:28] <c1|freaky> no
[20:28] <c1|freaky> i just need
[20:28] <c1|freaky> a complete xorg.conf
[20:28] <ethana3> BusID's?
[20:29] <c1|freaky> nothing else but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesnt produces complete configs as it did with gutsy and earlier versions. it doesnt even configure the mouse anymore i have no idea why that is but i need a complete xorg.conf
[20:29] <ethana3> ok, now i would think that you /have/, but just to be sure..
[20:29] <ethana3> have you tried the radeon driver?
[20:29] <ethana3> and found it not satisfactory in some wise?
[20:30] <c1|freaky> i want to install my own driver as the one from kubuntu never worked for me since 4 kubuntu versions
[20:30] <c1|freaky> i installed hardy on my laptop 2 days ago
[20:30] <ethana3> it would probably default to that...
[20:30] <ethana3> someone else?  i avoid proprietary drivers for hassle..
[20:30] <c1|freaky> that restricted manager thing also isnt available for me - where u can install the ati drivers
[20:31] <ethana3> i tried once
[20:31] <ethana3> ...got lost, confused, and gave up
[20:31] <c1|freaky> so does anyone know how to generate a complete xorg.conf ?
[20:32] <ethana3> well, you should have a failsafe xorg.conf
[20:32] <ethana3> which i think is fairly verbose
[20:32] <ethana3> ..but it uses vesa and has hundreds of modes in it
[20:34] <c1|freaky> yea i need something which generates a complete xorg.conf for me :( why doesn't dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work as before :\
[20:34] <ethana3> because
[20:34] <ethana3> we're trying to get rid of xorg.conf
[20:35] <ethana3> once we can do advanced things without it, i will be glad to see it go
[20:35] <c1|freaky> and how do i install drivers now oO
[20:35] <ethana3> if i were you, i'd get a performance comparison before bothering
[20:36] <ethana3> radeon vs. fglrx on mobility x700
[20:36] <c1|freaky> what performance comparison? i jsut want my graphics driver to work :\
[20:36] <ethana3> if you just want it to work, i'd use radeon
[20:36] <ethana3> not the proprietary driver..
[20:36] <c1|freaky> so how would i install the ubuntu ati driver which works?
[20:36] <ethana3> it's already there
[20:36] <c1|freaky> i dont just want it to work
[20:36] <ethana3> compiz?
[20:36] <c1|freaky> i want it to work as it should work. with drivers
[20:36] <ethana3> gaming?
[20:36] <ethana3> yes
[20:36] <ethana3> lol
[20:37] <ethana3> ok, on this machine, i play tremulou
[20:37] <c1|freaky> i dont play anything
[20:37] <ethana3> s**  ...and use compiz
[20:37] <c1|freaky> maybe i want to try compiz
[20:37] <ethana3> then radeon will be great for you
[20:37] <ethana3> in which case..
[20:37] <ethana3> it should already be in use
[20:37] <c1|freaky> i cant install the drivers
[20:37] <ethana3> unless you changed something..
[20:38] <ethana3> somebody help me out here, please...
[20:38] <ethana3> what are your symptoms?
[20:38] <ethana3> no output at all?  no 3d?
[20:38] <ethana3> i'm assuming its somehow broke
[20:38] <c1|freaky> its using mesa drivers
[20:38] <c1|freaky> i want ati drivers
[20:38] <ethana3> because if it is not, then it does not need fe--
[20:38] <c1|freaky> no performance
[20:38] <ethana3> that would do it
[20:39] <ethana3> ok.
[20:39] <ethana3> does your xorg.conf have a device section?
[20:39] <ethana3> that's all you need
[20:39] <c1|freaky> no
[20:39] <ethana3> oh
[20:39] <c1|freaky> it doesnt have a device section
[20:39] <ethana3> wow
[20:39] <c1|freaky> it has almost nothing
[20:39] <c1|freaky> ey man
[20:39] <ethana3> well very little yes
[20:39] <c1|freaky> nm ok
[20:39] <ethana3> wait, could you pastebin it for me?
[20:40] <ethana3> i'd like to have a look
[20:42] <ethana3> ..status?
[20:42] <c1|freaky> pasting
[20:42] <ethana3> k
[20:42] <c1|freaky> it has a device section
[20:43] <c1|freaky> http://pastebin.com/d53d059c8
[20:43] <c1|freaky> no touchpad
[20:43] <c1|freaky> just nothing
[20:43] <c1|freaky> is working
[20:44] <ethana3> ok, you do have a device section..
[20:44] <ethana3> just add a new line under Identifier:
[20:44] <c1|freaky> yea but if i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[20:44] <c1|freaky> it just gives me that ... xorg.conf
[20:44] <ethana3> Driver    "ati"
[20:45] <c1|freaky> ok ill restart X
[20:45] <ethana3> k
[20:47] <c1|freaky> still the DRI driver
[20:47] <c1|freaky> :(
[20:47] <c1|freaky> fglrxinfo even has a segmentation fault
[20:47] <c1|freaky> after execution
[20:47] <c1|freaky> :\
[20:49] <ethana3> glxinfo | grep vendor
[20:49] <ethana3> fglrxinfo?  you're not even using that
[20:50] <c1|freaky> yea and my touchpad also can't scroll down. copy to clipboard after selecting doesnt work
[20:50] <c1|freaky> server glx vendor string: SGI
[20:50] <ethana3> can't scroll down?
[20:50] <c1|freaky> client glx vendor string: SGI
[20:50] <c1|freaky> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[20:50] <ethana3> hmmm...
[20:50] <c1|freaky> with the scroll section of my touchpad
[20:50] <ethana3> i think that's a setting
[20:50] <ethana3> have you turned it on yet?
[20:51] <ethana3> i don't remember the default setting for it..
[20:51] <c1|freaky> if i make a touchpad section and add SHMConfig "on"
[20:51] <c1|freaky> it still doesnt work
[20:51] <ethana3> does it work as a mouse?
[20:51] <ethana3> does it work at all?  surely you have a cursor..
[20:51] <c1|freaky> the synaptics driver doesnt wanna work because it thinks that setting isnt there but it is
[20:52] <c1|freaky> yes the touchpad works
[20:52] <ethana3> oh
[20:52] <ethana3> so did you go to system -> prefs -> mouse
[20:52] <c1|freaky> yea
[20:52] <c1|freaky> will dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not work anymore in hardy?
[20:52] <ethana3> i see..  i don't know the answer to that one
[20:52] <ethana3> well this is alpha
[20:53] <ethana3> so i wouldn't assume so..
[20:53] <DanaG> take a look at my xorg.conf at www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[20:53] <DanaG> (Note that I haven't updated it in a while.)
[20:53] <DanaG> Oh, and evdev is broken.
[20:53] <DanaG> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=5&url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F183119&ei=Sx6qR9abO4O0gATA3pyIDQ&usg=AFQjCNGIJE8Q-TJTp2BsA2uvdakNQD-cmQ&sig2=S1DRXsr0C-wplCrhPYEnlg
[20:53] <DanaG> argh
[20:53] <DanaG> stupid googlified links.
[20:53] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/183119
[20:55] <c1|freaky> maybe ill downgrade back to gutsy
[20:55] <ethana3> if you want something that works?
[20:55] <ethana3> yes
[20:55] <DanaG> My touchpad works fine, though.
[20:55] <ethana3> most of my stuff works fine too, but remember that alphas aren't supposed to work
[20:56] <ethana3> that's not their main purpose
[20:56] <DanaG> Time to sleep my laptop.  Will be back later.
[20:59] <bardyr> how can i see what package /usr/lib/libblktap.so.3.0.0 belongs too ?
[21:31] <linuxprobie> Afternoon peeps, having trouble establishing a Raid in ubuntu. I set the raid in Bios, but tubuntu still views it as two hard drives.
[21:32] <mndo> linuxprobie: the raid that most motherboards have is not a true raid, half the work is done by the drivers..
[21:33] <linuxprobie> Okii, so how do I get feisty to make the raid for me?
[21:37] <c1|freaky> can someone help me with this:
[21:37] <c1|freaky> Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:37] <c1|freaky>         Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[21:37] <c1|freaky> how do i reference to a device for a screen in xorg.conf?
[21:38] <Reaby> linuxprobie: try http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[21:44] <Reaby> c1|freaky: you got bad xorg.conf file.. make new: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:45] <c1|freaky> that doesnt help
[21:45] <c1|freaky> :(
[21:45] <Reaby> damn
[22:05] <hwilde> anybody ever hear of false power button pressed messages?
[22:05] <hwilde> I don't even know what to search for its so random
[22:05] <ethana2> bad acpi driver?
[22:05] <ethana2> is it a laptop?
[22:07] <crimsun> hwilde: utterly false or simply duplicated?
[22:08] <ethana2> is it a VM?
[22:08] <hwilde> umm utterly fasle as far as I can tell
[22:08] <hwilde> as in nobody is pressing the power button, and that relay is not even being fired on the mb
[22:08] <hwilde> it is an embedded motherboard
[22:12] <hwilde> Is there anything else that could initiate /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh ?
[22:26] <blue|palm> hi there, i have just installed a few kde 4 applications onto my hardy 4 desktop, but all fonts are horrible (very aliased) how do i correct this?
[22:59] <Jordan_U> When I try to modprobe fglrx I get the error: "FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.24-5-generic/volatile/fglrx.ko': No such file or directory" and there is no fglrx.ko listed in 'dpkg -L xorg-driver-fglrx'
[23:00] <crimsun> um
[23:00] <crimsun> that would be in l-r-m
[23:00] <crimsun> i.e., linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[23:01] <Jordan_U> Ahh, thank you
[23:02] <Jordan_U> crimsun, It's not there either
[23:07] <kawasaki> hey all, i installed kubuntu hardy and i have kde3.5.8. i want to edit my hardy sources.list to include the kde4 PPA... is this the right? deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[23:08] <crimsun> Jordan_U: because you're looking for the wrong filename
[23:11] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Modprobe is complaining about "fglrx.ko", is that not the correct file name?
[23:11] <crimsun> no, it's not.
[23:12] <Jordan_U> Do you know how to get the module to work?
[23:15] <crimsun> Jordan_U: does jockey not work?
[23:16] <Jordan_U> crimsun, No, it is crashing at login
[23:16] <Jordan_U> ( know bug )
[23:17] <Jordan_U> I will try updating jocky...
[23:17] <crimsun> you mean the driver crashes or jocky crashes?  The latter would seem a bit odd.
[23:18] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Jocky, and now that I have updated jocky it no longer crahes but fglrx is not shown as an option to install / enable
[23:18] <DanaG> oH YEAH, this morning I looked at IDT's page with specs about the STAC9250, and they have some interesting things about stuff such as the "EAPD" feature, channel phase offset, and zipper noise.
[23:19] <crimsun> right, those are all known
[23:20] <Jordan_U> crimsun, Any idea how to fix this issue?
[23:20] <crimsun> DanaG: also, are you using acpi_osi=Linux in lilo/grub?
[23:20] <crimsun> Jordan_U: no, I don't use fglrx, sorry.
[23:20] <Jordan_U> Thanks anyway
[23:20] <crimsun> DanaG: (or acpi_osi=!Linux)
[23:20] <DanaG> Nope; in fact, my DSDT doesn't have the string 'Linux' anywhere, I believe.
[23:21] <crimsun> beautiful.  Friggin Gateways.
[23:22] <DanaG> I can post my disassembled DSDT on my web space.
[23:23] <crimsun> don't need it yet.
[23:25] <DanaG> I wonder what brand laptop I'll get next time around.
[23:25] <crimsun> HPs are mostly decent, as are Thinkpads/Lenovos, etc.
[23:25] <DanaG> Summer is when I'd be getting one, so perhaps I should decide only then.
[23:25] <crimsun> I would avoid Toshibas and ASUSes.
[23:29] <DanaG> What's bad about Asus?
[23:29] <DanaG> Oh, and Toshiba has been on my 'bad' list for ages due to their keyboards.
[23:29] <crimsun> personal negative experiences, YMMV.
[23:30] <DanaG> Aah.
[23:31] <DanaG> The biggest thing I want is a 14 or 15" laptop that won't be any weaker (i.e. screen resolution, CPU, and GPU) than my current Yonah 1.83 + GeForce Go 7600 128MB + 1440x900 display.
[23:31] <crimsun> macbook air?   /me ducks
[23:32] <c1|freaky> the next laptop i buy will be a really small one for coding stuff. just a nice little handy thing :D
[23:34] <DanaG> If I were to do really-light, I like HP's offerings.
[23:37] <DanaG> Oh, and their business models expose Microsoft's and Intel's rules about stickers and branding.  And they offer FreeDOS -- and make it cheaper if you choose it.
[23:39] <ethana2> Dell is awesome
[23:40] <ethana2> it should only get better from here
[23:40]  * DanaG wants Gigabit Ethernet.
[23:41] <DanaG> I wish somebody would make a laptop that can use Realtek's Multi-Streaming.
[23:43] <hmuller> crimsun:  What are the chances that alsa-driver >= 1.0.16rc2 will make it into Hardy final?
[23:43] <crimsun> hmuller: 100%, seeing how it's already in hardy right now and has been as of yesterday.
[23:44] <hmuller> crimsun:  is that linux-backports-modules?
[23:44] <crimsun> hmuller: no, alsa-driver is the name of the source package.  The relevant binary package is alsa-source.
[23:45] <crimsun> hmuller: i.e., you would use module-assistant with alsa-source to generate a deb
[23:45] <crimsun> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.16rc2.
[23:45] <crimsun> Compiled on Feb  6 2008 for kernel 2.6.24-7-generic (SMP).
[23:46] <crimsun> the "1.0.16rc2" tag is misleading; it's actually much closer to 1.0.16 final given the number of hg changesets I backported
[23:46] <crimsun> there are a few forwardports, too
[23:46] <hmuller> crimsun: I see it, thanks!
[23:47] <crimsun> hmuller: I'll likely upload 1.0.16-0ubuntu1 on Saturday or Sunday
[23:48] <crimsun> (and again, it won't be 1.0.16 final as it exists; there will be numerous backports and forwardports)
[23:48] <DanaG> Forwardports?
[23:49] <DanaG> That's a new term to me.
[23:49] <crimsun> patches carried forward from older releases to our current 1.0.16~rc2-0ubuntu1 source package.
[23:49] <crimsun> they've all been sent/tagged upstream
[23:49] <hmuller> crimsun:  right on.  This solves two bugs for the Dell Inspiron 1420 with the Intel HD Audio controller
[23:50] <crimsun> hmuller: yep.
[23:55] <hmuller> crimsun:  Just regurgitating to ensure I understand, it's better to create the deb for future upgrading and removal versus compiling from sources?
[23:55] <crimsun> hmuller: absolutely.
[23:56] <crimsun> well, if "compiling from sources" == "tar xf alsa-driver-1.0.16.tar.bz2 && cd alsa-driver-1.0.16 && ./configure && make && sudo make install"
[23:56] <hmuller> crimsun: exactly
[23:57] <hmuller> crimsun: it's easier in the short term, but not sustainable in the long term
[23:58] <crimsun> well, arguably it's not even easier in the short term.
[23:58] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install alsa-source && sudo m-a clean,a-i alsa-source && sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload