[01:20] @date [01:21] @schedule [01:21] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 07 Feb 16:00: Fridge Editors | 13 Feb 22:30: Forum Council | 15 Feb 04:00: MOTU | 20 Feb 01:00: TriLoCo-Midwest === Varka_ is now known as Varka === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_shower === asac_ is now known as asac === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === ogra_ is now known as ogra === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [11:01] !meet [11:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about meet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Feb 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu Community Council meeting | 07 Feb 16:00 UTC: Fridge Editors | 13 Feb 22:30 UTC: Forum Council | 15 Feb 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 20 Feb 01:00 UTC: TriLoCo-Midwest === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === doko_ is now known as doko === _emgent is now known as emgent [14:33] @schedule [14:33] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 06 Feb 20:00: Edubuntu Community Council meeting | 07 Feb 16:00: Fridge Editors | 13 Feb 22:30: Forum Council | 15 Feb 04:00: MOTU | 20 Feb 01:00: TriLoCo-Midwest === _czessi is now known as Czessi === johnc4511-laptop is now known as johnc4510-laptop === PriceChild is now known as pricechild === pricechild is now known as PriceChild === Martinp24 is now known as Martinp23 [18:56] * heno waves [18:56] * ogasawara waves [18:56] hello! [18:56] * stgraber too [18:56] * cliebow cliebow too [18:56] Hello everybody [18:57] liw doesn't seem to be on-line [18:57] howdy [18:57] it's 21.00 for him though [18:57] ok, let's start [18:57] #startmeeting [18:57] Meeting started at 18:57. The chair is heno. [18:57] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:58] first some admin: can we do meeting minutes on rotation? [18:58] I seem to be very bad at doing them [18:59] In return I'll make sure the agenda is out the day before each time :) [18:59] heno: what's required, just sending a summary to distro-team ml? [19:00] ogasawara: yes, just the agenda + what we decided [19:00] it should go to ubuntu-qa as well [19:00] heno: ok, I can do it for today's meeting [19:00] ogasawara: thanks! [19:01] [TOPIC] SRU verification testing (Riddell asked about 133944, 184149 and 173890) [19:01] New Topic: SRU verification testing (Riddell asked about 133944, 184149 and 173890) [19:01] what is the current SRU backlog? [19:01] bug 133944 [19:01] Launchpad bug 133944 in kdepim "package kitchensync 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/ksync/ksyncui.rc', which is also in package ksync" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133944 [19:02] oh, a summary to the mailing list? I didn't do that last week [19:02] Is there anyone other than the QA team doing these now? [19:02] None of those bugs have test cases [19:02] (mvo was doing them before) [19:02] One person is doing some universe sru verification [19:03] bdmurray: and that would usually be the responsibility of the bug-fixer? [19:03] (writing a test case) [19:03] Right, that is part of the SRU process and should be done by the person who uploaded the package to proposed [19:04] 133944 looks fairly obvious but I'm not certain about the other 2 [19:04] the flash one looks like an installation issue, i can give it a try [19:04] ok, I'll post a clarification somewhere [19:04] it's a universe one but anyways, don't mind [19:05] perhaps we should change the tag from needs-verification to needs-testcase in those cases [19:05] I think it is important that the process is followed though [19:05] bdmurray: agreed, esp now that it's distributed over more people [19:06] I have raised the manpower issue here with Matt [19:07] thanks, bdmurray i'll report back to Riddell [19:07] [TOPIC] Bug days this week: 'no package' and Evolution [19:07] New Topic: Bug days this week: 'no package' and Evolution [19:07] just a bit of advertising for those :) [19:08] how was yesterday's bug day? [19:08] We had about 15 participants - based off a review of the wiki page [19:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080205 [19:09] I have some numbers about how many each person did too [19:09] I'll discuss the 'no package' question with the LP team on friday [19:10] bdmurray: do you have a bughelper query for that ? [19:10] pedro_: I have some nasty script for parsing the wiki page [19:10] ah ok [19:11] bdmurray: hm, should we publish such stats at the end of bug days? [19:11] how do people feel about that? [19:11] heno: might be good for selfesteem [19:11] I think it could promote some healthy competition [19:11] I think publishing stats would be good [19:12] indeed [19:12] not because of competition, but because it shows that they have an actual, positive impact [19:12] ok, I guess it can just go on the wiki page [19:12] and people can optionally blog about it [19:12] I think mailing the bugsquad / desktop team with information about the top triager (not Canonical) would be good too [19:13] (I'm setting up my blog today ...) [19:14] while on that topic, let's skip to ' 5-A-Day initiative' [19:14] [TOPIC] 5-A-Day initiative [19:14] New Topic: 5-A-Day initiative [19:14] Regarding the nopackage bugs I wonder if we are enabling people by filing their bug to a package [19:15] bdmurray, you mean it would be better to teach them to select the package for their bug themselves? [19:15] bdmurray: there is that worry. I would rather have it set automatically to incomplete with an email explaining why [19:16] that way it will eventually expire too [19:16] liw: Right a mindset like "I don't need to find the package because somebody will do it for me" [19:16] bdmurray: I think the problem is that people just don't know what's broken so don't know what to report it to [19:16] I've felt like that, early on in my Ubuntu career [19:17] (one of the nice things about reportbug in Debian is that it chooses the package (and reports the version) automatically) [19:17] I don't think we can just ignore existing bugs, but we need a way to reduce it happening [19:18] liw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [19:18] i'm hoping that will help [19:19] we should try to find out where people get their bug filing info from [19:19] I agree that can finding the right package can be hard but we have done some work at documenting how to determine the source package and there are some packages which can get general bug reports and then set to a more specific package if necessary [19:19] what link do they follow to ...+filebug [19:19] do they navigate ubuntu.com, LP or google? [19:20] we should then make sure those paths have the right info [19:20] heno: would the lp team have information on that? [19:20] I can ask them and IS as well [19:20] * heno makes note [19:20] Additionally knowing how many people use the advanced file bug form would be good to know. [19:21] Since that has no guided bug filing instructions [19:21] yep [19:21] and it's _really_ difficult to find [19:21] we could also try a survey of 50 random bug filers [19:22] so five-a-day? [19:23] indeed; this is an initiative to get a broader group of people to do some bug work daily [19:23] developers and power users for example [19:24] we should have a 5-a-day link button for blogs [19:24] like we are planning for the poll [19:24] it's an interesting concept and it sounds plausible [19:25] so ideas for key bug categories to look at are welcome [19:25] both 'easy' and 'hard' tasks [19:26] can we leverage the bug day preparations? [19:26] perhaps mop up bugs not covered on the day? [19:27] heno: it might also be an interesting way to get the no-package bugs linked to a package. If people like me search for 5 no-package bugs ask for more info where needed and add a package [19:28] then the experts can take over :) [19:28] I guess this is mostly ready for launch; I'll check with dholbach [19:28] Right, I think the nopackage bugs can be very easy sometimes [19:28] And moving them to the proper package is very helpful [19:29] because then the responsible teams may actually look at them :) [19:29] [TOPIC] Upstream bug tracker wiki pages (help wanted) [19:29] New Topic: Upstream bug tracker wiki pages (help wanted) [19:29] (moving on) [19:29] bdmurray: That's what I'm thinking if you get newer people to start there where it's useful and easy plus not so many questions to the devs for help [19:30] thanks to those who have added tracker info! [19:30] oh there's a Debian one [19:30] * pedro_ looks at liw [19:30] ;-) [19:30] * heno looks at liw too :) [19:31] actually there _isn't_ a Debian one, as far as I can see :) [19:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream [19:31] just a stub link [19:31] writing one is already on my todo list [19:31] \o/ [19:31] woohoo [19:31] thanks :) i know very little about the Debian BTS [19:32] I'll have a go at OOo [19:32] Isn't the Linking bit http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches ? [19:32] the 'issue tracker' [19:32] re OOo we are pretty divergent from upstream as I understand it [19:32] yes, we should just link to that and not repeat it [19:33] bdmurray: yeah, I'll need to get calc's advice [19:33] Bugs/Watches looks very nice, btw [19:34] Well, that's mostly due to ogasawara [19:35] looks like a team effort on the get info page [19:35] so once those are in shape we can promote them a bit [19:35] next - [19:35] [TOPIC] QAPoll testing [19:35] New Topic: QAPoll testing [19:36] nand, stgraber? [19:36] ok, so we updated QA-Poll and QA-Tracker yesterday and QA-Poll is now ready for a private beta [19:36] what the current URL? [19:36] The idea part being: http://qa.ubuntu.com/qapoll/ideas/ [19:37] and the bug part: http://qa.ubuntu.com/qapoll/bugs/ [19:37] looks lovely with the artwork :) [19:38] yes, and it's also full of JS :) [19:38] stgraber: are you happy with those URLs or should it be poll.qa.u.c/bugs ? [19:39] so nand would like you to use it and report any usability issues, bugs, english problems, layout, feature, ... [19:39] and .../ideas [19:39] that's the next point, we don't like the current URLs and would like to move to sub-domains [19:39] I spoke with the sysadmins and we'd like to keep it under qa.u.c [19:40] to avoid to much proliferation of domains [19:40] ok, that was nand's question [19:40] so we'll have two sub-domains, one for the idea tracker and one for the bug part [19:40] poll.qa.ubuntu.com/ seems good, no? [19:41] IIRC he sent you a mail about that, I'm not sure of the exact domains he had in mind [19:41] davmor2: can you add information about your video card to bug 173130? 'lspci -vvnn' would be great [19:41] Launchpad bug 173130 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "hardy 64bit live cd GFX issues" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173130 [19:41] heno: we can't do that with Drupal [19:41] it'll have to be poll.qa.ubuntu.com/qapoll/ideas/idea/x [19:41] stgraber: yes I think he wanted something.ubuntu.com for each [19:41] bdmurray: I got 3 different ones that it doesn't work on properly do you want them all? [19:41] though having two different sub-domains will let us default on the right module [19:42] stgraber: but we can do it with apache though right? [19:42] heno: indeed, but we can also do it on qa.ubuntu.com, it would have been shorter and easier to remember on qa.ubuntu.com though [19:42] can we do bugs.poll.qa.u.c ? [19:43] heno: we would have to see how easy it's with the URL rewritting as Drupal is also using quite a lot of it and we don't want a conflict :) [19:43] heno: that seems a bit hard to remember, no ? [19:43] davmor2: yes [19:43] stgraber: right let's investigate and discuss on ubuntu-qa [19:43] bdmurray: np [19:44] next point is the testing window and release date [19:44] our current plan is to have it tested from after-Alpha4 (now) till after-Alpha5 [19:44] should we start filling up with semi-real data during testing? [19:45] so we can launch with some real examples [19:45] stgraber: sounds good [19:45] if no major bug have been reported, we'll upload the fix, test it for 1-2 extra days and send the anouncement [19:45] heno: made more sense to me to do that than not [19:45] I think that the DB will be wiped before making it public [19:46] but we can add some examples in the installation scripts so they are added the same time we make it public [19:46] that's okay it can be added again :) [19:46] ok, we should put in 2-3 real samples before launch though [19:46] but real examples even for testing are a good idea as it's the best way to find bugs :) (test with real data) [19:46] I'll show this to the LP bugs team on Friday [19:47] so, please test! [19:47] a question I have is : How will we anounce it ? [19:47] do we have a good way to advertise it widely (!= blog post on the planet) [19:47] we should coordinate a bit with the community team [19:47] stgraber: with trumpets and fanfares of course [19:48] I'll talk with marketing on Friday too; we might do a press release [19:48] sounds good [19:48] if they think it's appropriate [19:49] just so we get the /. effect :) [19:49] any other topics? [19:49] you'll have to warn the sysadmins too in this case :) [19:49] our time is soon up [19:49] stgraber: I think the more useful thing at first which will get real data in is let the bug team/other ubuntu dev mailing lists know, then move on to the real public. === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Edubuntu Community Council meeting Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 07 Feb 16:00 UTC: Fridge Editors | 13 Feb 22:30 UTC: Forum Council | 15 Feb 04:00 UTC: MOTU | 20 Feb 01:00 UTC: TriLoCo-Midwest [19:51] #endmeeting [19:51] Meeting finished at 19:51. [19:51] thanks everyone! [19:51] bye [19:51] thanks [19:51] and thanks ogasawara for doing the summary :) [19:51] heno: np [19:52] * liw goes back to meddling with hardware [19:57] hola RichEd and ogra_cmpc! [19:57] hi there nixternal [19:57] heya [19:58] you can raise the edubuntu handbook stuff at the meeting ... or else sidebar if you want [19:58] oh boy do I have some work, I mean questions, for you two :) [19:58] but open forum is better :) [19:58] * RichEd closes his window [19:58] well, this is related to the Offical Ubuntu Book [19:58] hahah [19:58] :) nixternal ... you can thank me for setting jono onto you [19:59] actually, it could be fairly quite easy and may be best to communicate via email with it honestly [19:59] RichEd: actually I got attacked by mako and the editor, which probably got it from jono :) [19:59] * stgraber waves [19:59] nixternal: get the issues on the table in the meeting, and we can go into details by email [19:59] hey nixternal [20:00] if we expose the "inner workings" of our documentation, perhaps some people may volunteer to help a bit [20:00] hiya juliux [20:00] LaserJock was bemoaning the lack of contributions last meeting [20:00] man, I am in documentation overload :) [20:01] hence let's see if there are any interested community members [20:01] * RichEd was about to get a pre-meeting coffee when nixternal jumped on him [20:01] back in 3 min ... [20:01] ogra: kick off with technical when you are ready [20:01] there are so many people who want to contribute, getting them interested in documentation though has proved difficult over the many years I have been doing it [20:01] * ogra_cmpc joins the coffee effort [20:01] sorry ... [20:01] * nixternal pours in some more Dr. Pepper [20:05] * RichEd ajusts his away status and looks around for ogra or even ogra_cmpc [20:06] there we go [20:06] not much on my side ... i packaged up the new classmate scripts for hardy, started a skeleton package for edubuntu-content-server ... [20:07] perhaps i should announce first that this is an official Edubuntu Community Council meeting ... and if anyone is here for approval, we'll do that after the tech stuff [20:07] did lots of bugfixes on ltp anhd work on consolekit integration of ldm [20:07] *ltsp [20:07] * juliux notes that this is an historical edubuntu weekly meeting;) [20:08] the consolekit stuff is critical, without support for it no administrative apps will work at all on ltsp clients [20:09] well,n not much more has happened rec4ently on the tech side [20:09] ogra_cmpc: cmpc's keyboard is way too small it seems :) [20:09] i didnt use it for a while it always takes me a while to get used to it again [20:10] stgraber: an update on italc FOR THE OTHERS ? [20:10] OOPS [20:10] sorry :) [20:10] yes, so I worked a bit with italc's upstream and we had most bugs fixed [20:10] he'll release a new "official" tarball this week [20:10] the only remaining problem and not a small one is the demo mode [20:11] yay [20:11] which basically just crashes the client part of italc as soon as a teacher starts it [20:11] italc's upstream is currently having exams and then doesn't have time to investigate [20:11] any news from QT upstream about that ? [20:11] and my C++/QT knowledges are approching 0 so I can't really help at that [20:12] QT upstream says that it's likely a software bug, so not their problem :) (different wording of course) [20:12] pffft [20:13] so if any of you happens to have some knowledges of QT/C++, especially the QImage thing that seems to crash, please ping me :) [20:13] what we have to decide anyway is what to do with iTalc, can we just disable the demo mode for the time being [20:13] and eventually re-enable it if we happen to receive a patch in time for the release [20:13] I don't think we want to have tcm for 3 more years, do we ? [20:14] have you asked Riddell to take a look at it? I could scower it, but he would know way more Qt than I would [20:14] remind me tomorrow to ping \sh_away about it :) he loves to save people in desparate situations and knows C++ and QT :) [20:15] nixternal: he told me to ask on #kde-devel, but as iTalc isn't a kde app but only QT one, I asked in some QT channels [20:15] the only prob i see is that it will prevent the MIR from being accepted if we have that bug .... beyond that its a bug and can be fixed after FF [20:15] stgraber: roger that [20:16] ogra_cmpc: I also need a new version from upstream as I won't upload a pre-release to universe with main in mind (especially as the pre-release isn't published anywhere) [20:17] stgraber: so what is the release upwstream wants to publish next week ? [20:17] a pre-release or something official ? [20:17] something official including most of my patches + some extra bug fixes [20:17] * stgraber is checking upstream website [20:18] well, lets get it in then ... we still have more than a month to fix that bug, that should suffice unless its something disastrously broken in the general design [20:20] doesn't seem like something big [20:20] right [20:20] as it seems to work fine on some other distros [20:21] thats my gut feeling as well [20:21] hmm, it does ? [20:21] might be our xorg or vnc implementation then [20:21] yes, upstream hasn't been able to reproduce yet [20:21] hey johnny [20:22] hi [20:22] ooh, a Maryland guy [20:22] what is a cmpc ? [20:22] I had a quick look at QT's source code and it was full of 15/16/32bit graphic stuff [20:22] johnny: ClassmatePC [20:22] so may be related to our xorg (vnc being included in italc's code) [20:23] hmm, can you force it to 16bit ? [20:23] in the code [20:23] i bet that would help :) [20:24] hi Pascal_1 [20:24] anyway ... italc is waiting for next upstream, i'll try to catch \sh [20:24] hi !! [20:24] more for tech ? [20:24] Pascal_1: f.y.i. meeting format is 1st session : tech (mostly related to development) [20:25] btw did anyone test the new ltsp setup on the ubuntu alternate cd ? [20:25] then next session : community / web sites / news ... mroe general discussion [20:25] ogra_cmpc, i plan to do that in the next daies [20:25] ah, great [20:25] i'd love to get feedback about the installer [20:26] ogra_cmpc, ill try it pretty quick here.. [20:26] thanks :) [20:26] ogra_cmpc, shoud we use a daily build? [20:26] ogra_cmpc: nope, I poked you about that but you weren't around [20:26] ogra_cmpc: so I didn't test edubuntu's Alpha4 (we were already short for testing ubuntu :)) [20:26] juliux: i havent tested any dailiews since alpha4 [20:27] ok i will use alpha4;) [20:27] ogra_cmpc: do we now have a menu option on the alternate ? [20:27] i can say that alpha4 worked :) but thats all atm [20:27] stgraber: not yet, cjwatson_ wants to redesign teh menu in general first [20:27] if thats in order we'll have a menu option [20:28] ogra_cmpc: ok, I saw he sent a couple of change to gfxboot-theme-ubuntu yesterday (language selection, theme, ...) [20:28] ogra_cmpc: what's the extra parameter to start the ltsp part ? [20:28] oh, i didnt notice ... i'll look at that [20:29] hit f6 and add ltsp-client-builder/run=true [20:29] ok, will give it a try today or tomorrow as I need to reinstall my test computer [20:30] i only test on virtualbox atm so there might be lots of cases with real hw i dont catch while testing, who knows [20:30] ogra_cmpc: any chance all of this stuff can be done by next week? I am approaching the official book deadline :p [20:30] nixternal: i doubt that but i can ask [20:30] haha [20:30] :) [20:31] ogra_cmpc, i will test it on a transtec mini pc;) [20:31] I would love to see Mr. Watson's face when you ask :) [20:31] heh [20:31] better not ... he's way to busy .... [20:31] hey, for those of you testing LTSP from the alternate CD, could you do a mini write up of the steps you took to get it setup...that is of course if it has changed much since Feisty [20:31] (its about time to think about PAs for our managers :P ) [20:32] and if possible, any screenshots in 1024x768 format :) [20:32] nixternal: if you have two NICs ther is nothing to set up [20:33] well, I am going over the Edubuntu chapter int he book, and there is quite a bit of write up on setting up LTSp [20:33] tis why I asked [20:33] tweaking != setup ;) [20:34] true [20:34] ltsp as is should work out of the box with any system with two NICs if you install from teh alternate CD [20:34] as I'll be installing on real hardware it'll be hard to provide screenshots but I'll try to think about it next time I do it virtually [20:34] OK, so all of the tweaks that are currently in the book are good to go, just need to add information about the alternate CD [20:35] if you have on;ly one NIC it tells you what to do in the installer, thats probably woth a screenshot [20:35] ogra_cmpc: I'm installing with one so I usually trigger 90% of the bugs that way :) [20:35] heh [20:36] ogra_cmpc: shoot, I just looked on my floor and seen a server doing absolutely nothing but looking sad...looks like I can setup LTSP here and play [20:36] the hints in teh book are actually for fine tuning ... usually if stuff doesnt work out of the box in a usable default setup we consider that a bug [20:36] derrr me :) [20:37] well, I have LTSP and the Alternate CD covered...just have a few more things to ask about Edubuntu today for the book, but I will wait until it is my turn :) [20:38] if you set up ltsp *after* installation on a normal ubuntu desktop box https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall applies [20:38] thanks [20:39] anhd probably its worth a note that you need to install ubuntu-desktop if you want ltsp to run on a server installation [20:40] got it [20:41] anything else for tech ? [20:41] and where is highvoltage ?? [20:41] he asked for an EC meeting and now we dont have quorum due to him missing in action :P [20:42] hehe [20:42] if there is nothing else for tech .... [20:42] * ogra_cmpc hands over the mic to RichEd [20:42] ogra_cmpc: any new apps for Edubuntu that can/should be hit on in the book? [20:42] italc? [20:42] nixternal: not this time round ... apart from italc [20:43] OK..I will put some italc info in there then [20:43] but we're not 100% sure it will make it zet [20:43] yet [20:43] OK..I will hold off [20:43] what about artwork? [20:43] well let's move onto documentation: nixternal get all of your issues / requirements out so they get into the log [20:43] still looking the same? [20:43] RichEd: groovy [20:43] nixternal: wallpaper will change [20:43] LTSP and Alternate CD have been covered [20:43] when will the wallpaper change occur? [20:44] .oO(why do you english guys have to flip y and z on kezboards... baah) [20:44] I would like to possibly take some new screenshots for the book [20:44] hehe [20:44] ogra_cmpc, because the germans have äöü ;) [20:44] ogra_cmpc, and they want to sell more keyboards;) [20:45] now that sounds plausible ! [20:45] :) [20:45] nixternal: we dont have any new artwork yet and its likely that we'll slip the deadline with the wallpaper [20:46] OK [20:46] (since thats a volunteer contribution) [20:46] the otrher artwork will follow ubuntu but have adjusted colors as usual [20:47] (gdm, ldm usplash) [20:47] OK...now if I got this right, Edubuntu is no longer a Live CD or install CD, it is just an addon to Ubuntu? [20:47] the CD that is [20:47] right [20:47] so people should get Ubuntu first and then install Edubuntu off of the CD [20:47] edubuntu-desktop (the metapackage) will just depend on ubuntu-desktop [20:48] nixternal: let me give you some info on that ... hang on one sec [20:48] right [20:48] RichEd: thanks [20:48] nixternal: perhaps you should also introduce the byline we will be adopting for 8.04: [20:48] Edubuntu 8.04 - Eubuntu Education Edition [20:48] it would be very good if you could get that as a heading for the edubuntu chapter / section [20:48] OK, that was actually my next question [20:48] install ubuntu, pop in the addon cd and g-a-i will offer you to install additions [20:48] hmm for linuxtag i have registred an edubuntu booth [20:48] Jordan and I spoke of that week after the last Edubuntu meeting because I seen you all talking about it [20:48] so groovy [20:48] should i change that to ubuntu education? [20:48] juliux: fine for now [20:49] hang on ...guys let me get the story across [20:49] :) [20:49] ok [20:49] here's the reasoning ... Edubuntu was it's own variant ... it's own build, install etc. [20:49] the branding will change over time, as RichEd will explain [20:49] err, Edubuntu Education Edition or Ubuntu Education Edition? [20:49] now it moves sensible to be an add-on ... [20:49] *sensibly [20:49] * juliux loves edubuntu as a name;) [20:49] nixternal: the latter indeed :) [20:50] we (education) will get a rock solid engine ... ubuntu ... and concentrate on the education layers on top of the ubuntu base [20:50] LTSP moved into ubuntu [20:50] OK, so that was a typo then by RichEd..just wanted to make sure before you seen it published incorrectly in the book :) [20:50] so the base has what we need [20:50] hence the move to an add-on CD installed on top of ubuntu [20:51] and all support / dev issues below education go to the full ubuntu team [20:51] and education specific stuff goes to ogra [20:51] * highvoltage is here [20:51]