[00:05] hey any use ubuntu, and gotten dual monitor to work [00:07] !dualhead [00:07] Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama [00:07] I tryed that [00:08] and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174 [00:08] yeah, I don't know much beyond the basics... [00:09] those guides seemed pretty complete [00:09] k [00:16] i downloaded xubuntu desktop.. the problem is, it takes me hours to load everything, i just want to install it right away.. is there some way to do this in the menu? [00:17] what do you mean in the menu? [00:17] when i put the cd in my drive, and reboot my shitty windows to start from the CD ROM [00:18] then i press F2 and "C" to start from the CD [00:18] then a menu shows up.. to install xubuntu [00:19] you probably should look at downloading and installing from the 'alternate disk' if you are having performance issues from the livecd [00:20] 'alternate disk' it will just install it right away? [00:20] no, not right away, [00:20] your computer still needs to be partitioned, formated, and have files copyied on to it [00:21] the installation will be faster though [00:21] yes, that's what i mean.. if 'alternate disk' is just for installing [00:22] Well you can also boot to a rescue mode command line. But it is generally for installation only [00:22] no gui, or anything else fancy [00:22] what i understood from livecd what it does, is loads up the system so you get an idea of what is all about, and that takes hours for me [00:23] well that is an advantage of the livecd... but the livecd doesn't work well if you a)don't have lots of ram, b) don't have a fast optical drive) [00:23] yes [00:23] my ram sucks, my drive too [00:26] i will download the alternate cd. thanks for your help [00:26] cya around [00:51] is there a command line tool that will give the entire path to a file, when given a relative path? [00:51] locate? [00:53] locate searches through a database that is rarely updated. I need to get the full path for something that will be recently created [01:16] somebody can help to use compiz [01:28] if I run a command, how do i make the output appear in an text file? [01:28] usually you just use the redirection operator [01:29] so --- echo "hello world" > textfile.txt [01:29] or ifconfig > textfile.txt [01:29] if you want to append use >> [01:29] what do you mean with append? [01:30] your output is added to the file instead of replacing the file [01:30] okay [01:30] see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html for tons of detail about redirection and piping [02:17] anyone know of a good guide to get compiz running in xubuntu? [02:20] not familiar with that app mindframe_ [02:40] Question: Is the xfce4 package already a window & desktop manger? [03:46] hey [03:46] I'm trying to start x [03:46] /root/.xinitrc: line 1: xfce-session: command not found [07:13] hello i'm trying to conf my sound and alsaconf doesn't work , what's the correct command? [07:22] what's the command to conf alsa? , tried alsaconf didn't work [07:32] neurl: I found alsa.conf in /usr/share so... - sudo /usr/share/alsa.conf [07:34] ere4si: that won't work [07:34] sorry neurl - /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf - but it says for me command not found, but locate just found it [07:34] neur1: you don't need to configure alsa [07:34] neur1: it should work with the default configuration [07:36] neurl: try alsamixer and see if that is what you need - command = alsamixer [07:37] k [07:37] anyone know /win 2 [07:37] gar [07:37] emdash: excuse me? [07:39] neurl: the wiki for alsamixer commands - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsamixer [07:39] TheSheep: typo [07:39] rather, forgot to clear th input buffer before typing irc commands [07:40] emdash: alt+2 is faster ;) [07:40] thanks [07:40] k [07:42] TheSheep: i always forget the key bindings [07:48] been trying to fix this for ages - I vnc into my headless xubuntu server and open thunar and it shuts straight away, I open it again and it stays open - there's nothing in any log on any comp - how can I resolve this? [07:50] ere4si: can you try opening it in a terminal and see if it shows any messages? [07:52] TheSheep, shows no messages [07:54] ere4si: even the first time when it crashes? [07:54] tried that ages ago and many times since - never a message or log entry or even a beep... [07:55] then try strace [07:55] k [07:56] strace thunar [07:56] should give you plenty of information [07:58] read(6, 0x80e6718, 2048) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) - third last line, TheSheep [07:58] exit_group(0) = ? [07:58] Process 7325 detached - last two lines [07:58] ? [07:59] these were printed after the dir was diplayed [08:01] TheSheep, thanks for the heads up on strace - I'll need to do some reading to find out the results :) [08:05] ere4si: you need strace -f to follow forks [08:19] thnks TheSheep will explore that [08:19] lots to read! [08:24] thanks again === pedro_ is now known as quittt [11:43] !dualhead [11:43] Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama [11:43] !Xinerama [11:43] xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead === web_know1 is now known as web_knows [13:20] Hello :) If I want to use the XFree86 X server instead of Xorg, how do I do it? I know how to install the xfree86 server but how do I pick which one runs? thanks. [13:22] Epicenter, why do you want to do that? [13:22] I've read about someone who got XFree86 working well on my laptop with the siliconmotion driver. When I run Xorg, with the same driver, the server uses 50-100% of the CPU all the time. it's uselessly slow [13:22] So low the mouse cursor jerks around and only updates once a second or two. [13:22] *so slow [13:23] I think Xorg tries to use hardware acceleration, and the Lynx3DM+ chipset seems to be SLOWER than software graphics. It is in windows. [13:24] hmm but at least in gutsy the xserver-xfree86 package is just a transitional package (it just installs xorg when your upgrading from a very old *buntu) [13:25] ablomen: Ugh... any recommendations then? [13:26] Epicenter, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion/+bug/136853/comments/6 [13:26] Launchpad bug 136853 in xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion "[Gutsy] multiple regressions since Feisty" [High,Confirmed] [13:27] Uh-oh. [13:27] so maybe the color depth thing works [13:27] I have both this guy's problems [13:27] the blanking screen and no virtual consoles working [13:27] they are all black screens [13:29] well he claims it fixes it :) [13:29] So 24bpp is impossible then huh? [13:29] oh well. I'll live. [13:30] giving this a try... [13:30] How did you find this bug repoert? [13:30] *report [13:32] google ;) [13:32] "siliconmotion ubuntu" [13:32] Curses! [13:32] So simple. :) [13:33] come to think of it the colors sure go screwy a lot too [13:34] especially when gdm comes up [13:34] after the fix? [13:35] trying to do the fix now [13:35] X is so slow it's hard to type [13:35] ah ok :) [13:36] Is Modprobe permanent? [13:36] or do I need to do it every time I power cycle the machine [13:37] Epicenter: every time [13:37] you can add it too /etc/modules [13:37] Epicenter: you can add that module to /etc/modules [13:39] X is down to a much more manageable <1% :) [13:39] and ... v.consoles work :D [13:39] thanks! [13:55] if I'm running Xubuntu but I want to install the Gnome desktop environment how would I do it? [13:58] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [13:58] Thanks :) [13:58] Epicenter: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you want complete ubuntu [13:59] I hope it doesn't need too much space. / is 6gb [13:59] Epicenter: I'm afraid there is no single package to install if you only want gnome alone [14:00] How much extra crap comes with gnome? [14:02] What's the difference between Xubuntu-desktop and Ubuntu-desktop? [14:02] They both add gnome I assume [14:03] Epicenter: mostly xfce instead of gnome, plus some other default applications, like abiword and gnumerica instead of openoffice [14:03] Epicenter: no, xubuntu comes with xfce [14:04] ahh [14:04] I assume I can remove whatever I don't want later and not enter dependency hell? [14:04] Epicenter: yes [14:05] Sweet. [14:05] Epicenter: well, trying to remove some packages will ask you to remove half of your system, obviously [14:05] Epicenter: but you get to confirm it [14:05] Goody. [14:06] I hope Gnome isn't too slow. I don't like XFCE much, but this isn't too snappy a system [14:06] Doesn't even show icons for mounted disks on the dekstop. That's TOO minimalistic [14:06] if I wanted that minimalist I'd use a terminal... [14:06] Epicenter: it does it [14:06] ? [14:06] Epicenter: it shows icons on the desktop [14:07] mine doesn't :( [14:07] Epicenter: make sure you have it enabled in settings->desktop settings [14:07] Epicenter: but it's enabled by default [14:08] I guess not on mine. ( [14:08] :( [14:08] Epicenter, the only thing gnome has over xfce that is "significant" is gnomeVFS, so you have to mount your network shares by hand [14:08] the rest is all there [14:08] Is it a lot slower? [14:09] what? gnome? [14:09] Yep. [14:09] yeah it is [14:09] XFCE is pretty sluggish already [14:10] i even notice the difference on my main system (which has good specs) [14:10] I don't see any Settings->Desktop settings [14:10] I have a preferences menu but there's neither in there. [14:12] Epicenter, open the settings manager => desktop settings => behavior tab =>Desktop icons [14:12] and set that to file/launcher icons [14:12] then you can check home, file system, removable devices etc [14:13] I definitely don't see a Settings Manager. [14:13] thats menu (with the mouse in the blue ubuntu logo), settings, settings manager [14:14] None of that, either. [14:14] No blue logos anywhere [14:15] Applications, Places, System, Firefox/Mail/help icons, a few applets displaying time, date, battery info, shutdown button. [14:15] taskbar at the bottom. that's it [14:16] huh.. your desktop doesnt look like this?.. http://www.xubuntu.org/files/thunar.png [14:17] The ubuntu logo is red and orange, not blue. No settings menu in there [14:17] Accessories, Games, Graphics, Intenret, Office, Sound&Video, Add/remove. [14:17] then your using gnome... [14:17] the desktop wallpaper is also different [14:17] this sure doesn't look like gnome to me :P [14:18] could you put a screenshot up somewhere? [14:18] I'll give it a shot [14:18] Epicenter: that's gnome [14:19] Epicenter: that's ubuntu, not xubuntu [14:19] weird [14:20] since I installed from a xubuntu disc [14:20] Epicenter: magic :) [14:20] blah... [14:21] alright, once these 5 billion updates finish I'll install xubuntu-desktop then I guess [14:21] and then you can choose xfce form the sessions menu at login [14:22] right [14:23] jesus, what is the update manager DOING in there that is taking so long, compiling a new kernel? [14:24] It's been on linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic for 20 minutes [14:24] Epicenter: it's compiling initrd for it [14:24] Epicenter: it has to be compiled for every computer, unfortunately [14:24] ahh [14:24] Initrd.. that has something to do with boot, right? [14:25] yes, that's he script that is run right at the beginning -- the one that displays progress bar and loads all th services [14:25] Ahh [14:25] it also mounts all disks and stuff [14:26] WTF [14:26] in Firefox, my cursor keeps turning into a cube of garbage and leaving trails of corruption [14:28] X just hates this card doesn't it? [14:29] no idea [14:32] ugh now the cursor's leaving this shit everywhere [14:34] !language [14:34] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [14:34] my bad [14:35] nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! [14:36] Is that so! [14:36] Hm. I hope CPUID and MSR are in the kernel [14:36] So I can use longrun to manipulate CPU settings === maxamillion is now known as notMax [15:42] what does the little round button do that is to the left of the close/maximise/minimise? [15:50] Guus__: pins the window to all workspaces [15:50] Guus__: "sticks" [15:50] ok [15:50] thabk you :) [16:00] Hello all. I have a problem with Xubuntu 7.10 and Keyboard layouts. My changes are not saved. Any advice? [16:01] agrebnev: change the X default keyboard layout [16:01] agrebnev: with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' [16:07] TheSheep: I was asked many questions about x config. I have answered DEFAULT to all. Nothing changed. I want to add additional layout to US layout. === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [17:03] ok [17:03] I have a pen drive that has the boot flag option on and I can't get it to turn off. I'm extremely new to linux and just cant figure out how to format it. === PriceChild is now known as pricechild === pricechild is now known as PriceChild [18:45] Good morning, could anyone tell me how to create a shortcut in thunar? [18:46] james9178: drag and drop with the right mouse button [18:46] james9178: then select link from the menu === notMax is now known as maxamillion [18:48] ahh, that was painless, thanks! [18:49] thanks for your help yesterday btw, In the end i just rebuilt the laptop and mounted the parttion as /home from the start [18:50] james9178: it didn't work? [18:51] no, I must have done something worng [18:51] or I forgot about something === leche_y_galletas is now known as leche [20:32] can xubuntu be installed from a usb stick? i see a lot about installing _to_ a usb stick, but i'm just concerned about booting from one to run the installer [20:46] solomon: have you looked at the !install page? [20:50] TheSheep: hm, why would i do a think like that? i googled... :D [20:50] solomon: yes, it can. it does get tricky though. When I ran the install, the installer put grub onto my usb stick instead of my hard drive [20:50] !install | solomon [20:50] solomon: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate === PriceChild is now known as pricey [21:58] !multi head [21:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about multi head - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [22:03] !twinhead [22:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about twinhead - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [22:03] * TheSheep scratches his head [22:04] !dual-head | goppp_ [22:04] goppp_: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama [22:06] I tryed that but it didn'twork [22:50] hello I want to install eeexubuntu on my eee pc and I am somewhat confused, should I just wipe out the xandros partition or install on sdhc or what? [22:53] I need some help with Xubuntu. It takes me back to the login screen whenever I try to open a Terminal. [22:56] Is this a common/easy-to-fix problem? I'm kind of new to Linux. [22:58] it is a known bug.... [22:58] I don't think there is a fix other then using a crappy video driver [23:00] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+question/7143 [23:02] Hm, thanks. [23:03] Also, my wireless network card isn't being recognized anymore (it once was), but I'll search for that using that website. Thanks [23:08] how can i have a few commands execute every time i log in? i use gdm/xfce and i've tried ~/.config/autostart/foo.desktop but that doesn't seem to work. [23:08] add them in settings/autostarted applications [23:09] zoredache: which is where? [23:09] or write a script and add that to autostarted [23:09] click on the button that is on the top-left corner of your screen [23:09] then seetings, then autostarted applications [23:10] zoredache: can an autostarted app be a script? [23:10] yes [23:11] the script needs to be executable and have the correct interpeter mentioned in the #! [23:11] zoredache: ahh, that's why that wasn't working for me before === sigbj0dn is now known as siggjen