[00:05] <goppp> hey any use ubuntu, and gotten dual monitor to work
[00:07] <zoredache> !dualhead
[00:07] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[00:07] <goppp> I tryed that
[00:08] <zoredache> and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[00:08] <zoredache> yeah, I don't know much beyond the basics...
[00:09] <zoredache> those guides seemed pretty complete
[00:09] <goppp> k
[00:16] <DirtySanchez> i downloaded xubuntu desktop.. the problem is, it takes me hours to load everything, i just want to install it right away.. is there some way to do this in the menu?
[00:17] <zoredache> what do you mean in the menu?
[00:17] <DirtySanchez> when i put the cd in my drive, and reboot my shitty windows to start from the CD ROM
[00:18] <DirtySanchez> then i press F2 and "C" to start from the CD
[00:18] <DirtySanchez> then a menu shows up.. to install xubuntu
[00:19] <zoredache> you probably should look at downloading and installing from the 'alternate disk' if you are having performance issues from the livecd
[00:20] <DirtySanchez> 'alternate disk' it will just install it right away?
[00:20] <zoredache> no, not right away,
[00:20] <zoredache> your computer still needs to be partitioned, formated, and have files copyied on to it
[00:21] <zoredache> the installation will be faster though
[00:21] <DirtySanchez> yes, that's what i mean.. if 'alternate disk' is just for installing
[00:22] <zoredache> Well you can also boot to a rescue mode command line.  But it is generally for installation only
[00:22] <zoredache> no gui, or anything else fancy
[00:22] <DirtySanchez> what i understood from livecd what it does, is loads up the system so you get an idea of what is all about, and that takes hours for me
[00:23] <zoredache> well that is an advantage of the livecd... but the livecd doesn't work well if you a)don't have lots of ram, b) don't have a fast optical drive)
[00:23] <DirtySanchez> yes
[00:23] <DirtySanchez> my ram sucks, my drive too
[00:26] <DirtySanchez> i will download the alternate cd. thanks for your help
[00:26] <DirtySanchez> cya around
[00:51] <zoredache> is there a command line tool that will give the entire path to a file, when given a relative path?
[00:51] <nam3d> locate?
[00:53] <zoredache> locate searches through a database that is rarely updated.  I need to get the full path for something that will be recently created
[01:16] <jgamio> somebody can help to use compiz
[01:28] <nam3d> if I run a command, how do i make the output appear in an text file?
[01:28] <zoredache> usually you just use the redirection operator
[01:29] <zoredache> so --- echo "hello world" > textfile.txt
[01:29] <zoredache> or ifconfig > textfile.txt
[01:29] <zoredache> if you want to append use >>
[01:29] <nam3d> what do you mean with append?
[01:30] <zoredache> your output is added to the file instead of replacing the file
[01:30] <nam3d> okay
[01:30] <zoredache> see http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html for tons of detail about redirection and piping
[02:17] <mindframe_> anyone know of a good guide to get compiz running in xubuntu?
[02:20] <voltage> not familiar with that app mindframe_
[02:40] <venz> Question: Is the xfce4 package already a window & desktop manger?
[03:46] <TangentBuntu> hey
[03:46] <TangentBuntu> I'm trying to start x
[03:46] <TangentBuntu> /root/.xinitrc: line 1: xfce-session: command not found
[07:13] <neur1> hello i'm trying to conf my sound and alsaconf doesn't work , what's the correct command?
[07:22] <neur1> what's the command to conf alsa? , tried alsaconf didn't work
[07:32] <ere4si> neurl: I found alsa.conf in /usr/share so... -  sudo /usr/share/alsa.conf
[07:34] <TheSheep> ere4si: that won't work
[07:34] <ere4si> sorry neurl - /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf  - but it says for me command not found, but locate just found it
[07:34] <TheSheep> neur1: you don't need to configure alsa
[07:34] <TheSheep> neur1: it should work with the default configuration
[07:36] <ere4si> neurl: try alsamixer and see if that is what you need - command = alsamixer
[07:37] <neur1> k
[07:37] <emdash> anyone know /win 2
[07:37] <emdash> gar
[07:37] <TheSheep> emdash: excuse me?
[07:39] <ere4si> neurl: the wiki for alsamixer commands - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsamixer
[07:39] <emdash> TheSheep: typo
[07:39] <emdash> rather, forgot to clear th input buffer before typing irc commands
[07:40] <TheSheep> emdash: alt+2 is faster ;)
[07:40] <neur1> thanks
[07:40] <ere4si> k
[07:42] <emdash> TheSheep: i always forget the key bindings
[07:48] <ere4si> been trying to fix this for ages - I vnc into my headless xubuntu server and open thunar and it shuts straight away, I open it again and it stays open - there's nothing in any log on any comp - how can I resolve this?
[07:50] <TheSheep> ere4si: can you try opening it in a terminal and see if it shows any messages?
[07:52] <ere4si> TheSheep, shows no messages
[07:54] <TheSheep> ere4si: even the first time when it crashes?
[07:54] <ere4si> tried that ages ago and many times since - never a message or log entry or even a beep...
[07:55] <TheSheep> then try strace
[07:55] <ere4si> k
[07:56] <TheSheep> strace thunar
[07:56] <TheSheep> should give you plenty of information
[07:58] <ere4si> read(6, 0x80e6718, 2048)                = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) - third last line, TheSheep
[07:58] <ere4si> exit_group(0)                           = ?
[07:58] <ere4si> Process 7325 detached - last two lines
[07:58] <ere4si> ?
[07:59] <ere4si> these were printed after the dir was diplayed
[08:01] <ere4si> TheSheep, thanks for the heads up on strace - I'll need to do some reading to find out the results :)
[08:05] <TheSheep> ere4si: you need strace -f to follow forks
[08:19] <ere4si> thnks TheSheep  will explore that
[08:19] <ere4si> lots to read!
[08:24] <neur1> thanks again
[11:43] <goppp> !dualhead
[11:43] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[11:43] <goppp> !Xinerama
[11:43] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[13:20] <Epicenter> Hello :) If I want to use the XFree86 X server instead of Xorg, how do I do it? I know how to install the xfree86 server but how do I pick which one runs? thanks.
[13:22] <ablomen> Epicenter, why do you want to do that?
[13:22] <Epicenter> I've read about someone who got XFree86 working well on my laptop with the siliconmotion driver. When I run Xorg, with the same driver, the server uses 50-100% of the CPU all the time. it's uselessly slow
[13:22] <Epicenter> So low the mouse cursor jerks around and only updates once a second or two.
[13:22] <Epicenter> *so slow
[13:23] <Epicenter> I think Xorg tries to use hardware acceleration, and the Lynx3DM+ chipset seems to be SLOWER than software graphics. It is in windows.
[13:24] <ablomen> hmm but at least in gutsy the xserver-xfree86 package is just a transitional package (it just installs xorg when your upgrading from a very old *buntu)
[13:25] <Epicenter> ablomen: Ugh... any recommendations then?
[13:26] <ablomen> Epicenter, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion/+bug/136853/comments/6
[13:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136853 in xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion "[Gutsy] multiple regressions since Feisty" [High,Confirmed]
[13:27] <Epicenter> Uh-oh.
[13:27] <ablomen> so maybe the color depth thing works
[13:27] <Epicenter> I have both this guy's problems
[13:27] <Epicenter> the blanking screen and no virtual consoles working
[13:27] <Epicenter> they are all black screens
[13:29] <ablomen> well he claims it fixes it :)
[13:29] <Epicenter> So 24bpp is impossible then huh?
[13:29] <Epicenter> oh well. I'll live.
[13:30] <Epicenter> giving this a try...
[13:30] <Epicenter> How did you find this bug repoert?
[13:30] <Epicenter> *report
[13:32] <ablomen> google ;)
[13:32] <ablomen> "siliconmotion ubuntu"
[13:32] <Epicenter> Curses!
[13:32] <Epicenter> So simple. :)
[13:33] <Epicenter> come to think of it the colors sure go screwy a lot too
[13:34] <Epicenter> especially when gdm comes up
[13:34] <ablomen> after the fix?
[13:35] <Epicenter> trying to do the fix now
[13:35] <Epicenter> X is so slow it's hard to type
[13:35] <ablomen> ah ok :)
[13:36] <Epicenter> Is Modprobe permanent?
[13:36] <Epicenter> or do I need to do it every time I power cycle the machine
[13:37] <TheSheep> Epicenter: every time
[13:37] <ablomen> you can add it too /etc/modules
[13:37] <TheSheep> Epicenter: you can add that module to /etc/modules
[13:39] <Epicenter> X is down to a much more manageable <1% :)
[13:39] <Epicenter> and ... v.consoles work :D
[13:39] <Epicenter> thanks!
[13:55] <Epicenter> if I'm running Xubuntu but I want to install the Gnome desktop environment how would I do it?
[13:58] <ablomen> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <Epicenter> Thanks :)
[13:58] <TheSheep> Epicenter: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop if you want complete ubuntu
[13:59] <Epicenter> I hope it doesn't need too much space. / is 6gb
[13:59] <TheSheep> Epicenter: I'm afraid there is no single package to install if you only want gnome alone
[14:00] <Epicenter> How much extra crap comes with gnome?
[14:02] <Epicenter> What's the difference between Xubuntu-desktop and Ubuntu-desktop?
[14:02] <Epicenter> They both add gnome I assume
[14:03] <TheSheep> Epicenter: mostly xfce instead of gnome, plus some other default applications, like abiword and gnumerica instead of openoffice
[14:03] <TheSheep> Epicenter: no, xubuntu comes with xfce
[14:04] <Epicenter> ahh
[14:04] <Epicenter> I assume I can remove whatever I don't want later and not enter dependency hell?
[14:04] <TheSheep> Epicenter: yes
[14:05] <Epicenter> Sweet.
[14:05] <TheSheep> Epicenter: well, trying to remove some packages will ask you to remove half of your system, obviously
[14:05] <TheSheep> Epicenter: but you get to confirm it
[14:05] <Epicenter> Goody.
[14:06] <Epicenter> I hope Gnome isn't too slow. I don't like XFCE much, but this isn't too snappy a system
[14:06] <Epicenter> Doesn't even show icons for mounted disks on the dekstop. That's TOO minimalistic
[14:06] <Epicenter> if I wanted that minimalist I'd use a terminal...
[14:06] <TheSheep> Epicenter: it does it
[14:06] <Epicenter> ?
[14:06] <TheSheep> Epicenter: it shows icons on the desktop
[14:07] <Epicenter> mine doesn't :(
[14:07] <TheSheep> Epicenter: make sure you have it enabled in settings->desktop settings
[14:07] <TheSheep> Epicenter: but it's enabled by default
[14:08] <Epicenter> I guess not on mine. (
[14:08] <Epicenter> :(
[14:08] <ablomen> Epicenter, the only thing gnome has over xfce that is "significant" is gnomeVFS, so you have to mount your network shares by hand
[14:08] <ablomen> the rest is all there
[14:08] <Epicenter> Is it a lot slower?
[14:09] <ablomen> what? gnome?
[14:09] <Epicenter> Yep.
[14:09] <ablomen> yeah it is
[14:09] <Epicenter> XFCE is pretty sluggish already
[14:10] <ablomen> i even notice the difference on my main system (which has good specs)
[14:10] <Epicenter> I don't see any Settings->Desktop settings
[14:10] <Epicenter> I have a preferences menu but there's neither in there.
[14:12] <ablomen> Epicenter, open the settings manager => desktop settings => behavior tab =>Desktop icons
[14:12] <ablomen> and set that to file/launcher icons
[14:12] <ablomen> then you can check home, file system, removable devices etc
[14:13] <Epicenter> I definitely don't see a Settings Manager.
[14:13] <ablomen> thats menu (with the mouse in the blue ubuntu logo), settings, settings manager
[14:14] <Epicenter> None of that, either.
[14:14] <Epicenter> No blue logos anywhere
[14:15] <Epicenter> Applications, Places, System, Firefox/Mail/help icons, a few applets displaying time, date, battery info, shutdown button.
[14:15] <Epicenter> taskbar at the bottom. that's it
[14:16] <ablomen> huh.. your desktop doesnt look like this?.. http://www.xubuntu.org/files/thunar.png
[14:17] <Epicenter> The ubuntu logo is red and orange, not blue. No settings menu in there
[14:17] <Epicenter> Accessories, Games, Graphics, Intenret, Office, Sound&Video, Add/remove.
[14:17] <ablomen> then your using gnome...
[14:17] <Epicenter> the desktop wallpaper is also different
[14:17] <Epicenter> this sure doesn't look like gnome to me :P
[14:18] <ablomen> could you put a screenshot up somewhere?
[14:18] <Epicenter> I'll give it a shot
[14:18] <TheSheep> Epicenter: that's gnome
[14:19] <TheSheep> Epicenter: that's ubuntu, not xubuntu
[14:19] <Epicenter> weird
[14:20] <Epicenter> since I installed from a xubuntu disc
[14:20] <TheSheep> Epicenter: magic :)
[14:20] <Epicenter> blah...
[14:21] <Epicenter> alright, once these 5 billion updates finish I'll install xubuntu-desktop then I guess
[14:21] <TheSheep> and then you can choose xfce form the sessions menu at login
[14:22] <Epicenter> right
[14:23] <Epicenter> jesus, what is the update manager DOING in there that is taking so long, compiling a new kernel?
[14:24] <Epicenter> It's been on linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic for 20 minutes
[14:24] <TheSheep> Epicenter: it's compiling initrd for it
[14:24] <TheSheep> Epicenter: it has to be compiled for every computer, unfortunately
[14:24] <Epicenter> ahh
[14:24] <Epicenter> Initrd.. that has something to do with boot, right?
[14:25] <TheSheep> yes, that's he script that is run right at the beginning -- the one that displays progress bar and loads all th services
[14:25] <Epicenter> Ahh
[14:25] <TheSheep> it also mounts all disks and stuff
[14:26] <Epicenter> WTF
[14:26] <Epicenter> in Firefox, my cursor keeps turning into a cube of garbage and leaving trails of corruption
[14:28] <Epicenter> X just hates this card doesn't it?
[14:29] <TheSheep> no idea
[14:32] <Epicenter> ugh now the cursor's leaving this shit everywhere
[14:34] <TheSheep> !language
[14:34] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[14:34] <Epicenter> my bad
[14:35] <TheSheep> nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
[14:36] <Epicenter> Is that so!
[14:36] <Epicenter> Hm. I hope CPUID and MSR are in the kernel
[14:36] <Epicenter> So I can use longrun to manipulate CPU settings
[15:42] <Guus__> what does the little round button do that is to the left of the close/maximise/minimise?
[15:50] <TheSheep> Guus__: pins the window to all workspaces
[15:50] <TheSheep> Guus__: "sticks"
[15:50] <Guus__> ok
[15:50] <Guus__> thabk you :)
[16:00] <agrebnev> Hello all. I have a problem with Xubuntu 7.10 and Keyboard layouts. My changes are not saved. Any advice?
[16:01] <TheSheep> agrebnev: change the X default keyboard layout
[16:01] <TheSheep> agrebnev: with 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[16:07] <agrebnev> TheSheep: I was asked many questions about x config. I have answered DEFAULT to all. Nothing changed. I want to add additional layout to US layout.
[17:03] <PriceChild> ok
[17:03] <mrdlouisd> I have a pen drive that has the boot flag option on and I can't get it to turn off. I'm extremely new to linux and just cant figure out how to format it.
[18:45] <james9178> Good morning, could anyone tell me how to create a shortcut in thunar?
[18:46] <TheSheep> james9178: drag and drop with the right mouse button
[18:46] <TheSheep> james9178: then select link from the menu
[18:48] <james9178> ahh, that was painless, thanks!
[18:49] <james9178> thanks for your help yesterday btw, In the end i just rebuilt the laptop and mounted the parttion as /home from the start
[18:50] <TheSheep> james9178: it didn't work?
[18:51] <james9178> no, I must have done something worng
[18:51] <TheSheep> or I forgot about something
[20:32] <solomon> can xubuntu be installed from a usb stick?  i see a lot about installing _to_ a usb stick, but i'm just concerned about booting from one to run the installer
[20:46] <TheSheep> solomon: have you looked at the !install page?
[20:50] <solomon> TheSheep: hm, why would i do a think like that?  i googled... :D
[20:50] <zoredache> solomon: yes, it can.  it does get tricky though.  When I ran the install, the installer put grub onto my usb stick instead of my hard drive
[20:50] <TheSheep> !install | solomon
[20:50] <ubotu> solomon: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:58] <goppp_> !multi head
[21:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multi head - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:03] <TheSheep> !twinhead
[22:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about twinhead - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:03]  * TheSheep scratches his head
[22:04] <TheSheep> !dual-head | goppp_
[22:04] <ubotu> goppp_: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[22:06] <goppp_> I tryed that but it didn'twork
[22:50] <Bianconeri> hello I want to install eeexubuntu on my eee pc and I am somewhat confused, should I just wipe out the xandros partition or install on sdhc or what?
[22:53] <Gforce20> I need some help with Xubuntu. It takes me back to the login screen whenever I try to open a Terminal.
[22:56] <Gforce20> Is this a common/easy-to-fix problem? I'm kind of new to Linux.
[22:58] <zoredache> it is a known bug....
[22:58] <zoredache> I don't think there is a fix other then using a crappy video driver
[23:00] <zoredache> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+question/7143
[23:02] <Gforce20> Hm, thanks.
[23:03] <Gforce20> Also, my wireless network card isn't being recognized anymore (it once was), but I'll search for that using that website. Thanks
[23:08] <bazz> how can i have a few commands execute every time i log in?  i use gdm/xfce and i've tried  ~/.config/autostart/foo.desktop but that doesn't seem to work.
[23:08] <zoredache> add them in settings/autostarted applications
[23:09] <bazz> zoredache: which is where?
[23:09] <zoredache> or write a script and add that to autostarted
[23:09] <zoredache> click on the button that is on the top-left corner of your screen
[23:09] <zoredache> then seetings, then autostarted applications
[23:10] <bazz> zoredache: can an autostarted app be a script?
[23:10] <zoredache> yes
[23:11] <zoredache> the script needs to be executable and have the correct interpeter mentioned in the #!
[23:11] <bazz> zoredache: ahh, that's why that wasn't working for me before