[00:00] <coreymon77> is it possible to make this one a little later so we arent waking up at 6 if we want to make it
[00:00] <mhb> well, you can eat it in front of your PC instead of in front of the TV :o)
[00:00] <coreymon77> bah
[00:00] <mhb> just joking
[00:00] <coreymon77> im never gonna end up making t to one of these things am i
[00:00] <mhb> anyways, good night folks
[00:01] <claydoh> for me 6pm is the wife's keyboard time, 6am I have to fire up the crusty old thinkpad running puppy and irc from the oher room
[00:01] <claydoh> so as not to further anger the mrs :)
[00:05] <coreymon77> in other words
[00:05] <coreymon77> for EST people
[00:05] <coreymon77> its impossible to make it to a meeting
[00:06] <coreymon77> can we maybe do something about that
[00:06] <mhb> coreymon77: well, you can always adjust your schedule
[00:06] <claydoh> well if we are still asleep during the meetings, we can't take over then can we?
[00:07] <claydoh> :)
[00:07] <mhb> I mean my meeting times are either 1 pm or 1 am
[00:07] <mhb> so I either have lunch in front of the PC
[00:07] <mhb> or I keep myself awake
[00:07] <coreymon77> mhb: how do i adjsut my schedule
[00:07] <coreymon77> i go to highschool
[00:07] <coreymon77> i have no free time to play around with
[00:07] <mhb> on Saturday?
[00:07] <claydoh> heh
[00:07] <coreymon77> im not waking up at 6 on a saturday
[00:08] <claydoh> I will
[00:08] <coreymon77> i wake up at 7:15 every day for school
[00:08] <coreymon77> and 6 for skiing on sunday
[00:08] <coreymon77> sats my one day to actually wake up at a sane time
[00:08] <claydoh> 7 is sane :)
[00:09] <claydoh> 6 is pushing it tho
[00:09] <claydoh> luckily I have an early shift at work friday, so I can get to bed well enough to wakr
[00:10] <claydoh> just need to set the alarm, the dogs will make sure I am awake once they hear it
[00:10] <claydoh> and, um hound me till I take em out
[00:11] <coreymon77> claydoh: well i dont
[00:12] <coreymon77> so this is impossible for m
[00:12] <coreymon77> e
[00:51] <jjesse> man i love the snow
[00:52] <ScottK> Anyone here who wants to do some packaging work to make something more KDE friendly?
[00:53] <jjesse> if i knew how
[00:54] <ScottK2> Me too.  Almost all the packaging work I've done is on server stuff.
[00:55]  * jjesse has never packaged anything ever
[00:55] <ScottK2> Yes, but you help out in other useful ways.
[00:56] <claydoh> I have just learned enough packaging to get something in  my ppa, so I cheat kinda as I let the ppa build it for me :)
[00:58] <ScottK2> The newest clamtk release includes a KDE friendly .desktop and I was hoping someone would figure out what needed to be done to let Kubuntu users get that one.
[01:18] <nixternal> over 4 hours of snow blowing...yay
[01:21] <ScottK2> nixternal: You ought to move to the South ;-)
[01:21] <nixternal> I think I will
[01:21] <crimsun> oh gosh no.
[01:21] <nixternal> fark, now the dog wants to go out
[01:21] <ScottK2> Glad I mentioned then.
[01:21] <nixternal> brb
[01:21] <crimsun> it was friggin hot today :/
[01:21] <ScottK2> It was.
[01:22] <ScottK2> Went outside without a coat.
[01:22] <ScottK2> Of course being a true Chicogoan, nixternal probably did his 4 hours of snow blowing with no coat too.
[01:24] <jjesse> since im from michigan i only wore boots
[01:24] <nixternal> same here
[01:24] <ScottK2> Since 70% of the heat escapes from your head, with a good enough hat that should be fine.
[01:24] <jjesse> i bet that's a great mental image
[01:25] <nixternal> wore boots and a fleese pullover
[01:25] <crimsun> must be all that experience with Vista.  Bound to get you nice and toasty.
[01:25] <nixternal> hahahah
[01:25] <nixternal> hahaha, out snowblowing with just boots on.....
[01:25]  * nixternal faints
[01:25] <nixternal> sudo rm -rf /usr/memory/*
[01:25] <jjesse> just have to make sure nothing gets caught in the snow blower
[01:25] <ScottK2> Don't forget the really warm hat.
[01:26] <nixternal> oh, I have one of the furry hats with ear flaps
[01:27] <nixternal> definitely keeps the heat from escaping
[01:27] <crimsun> oh yah you betcha.
[01:27] <nixternal> this morning I snowblowed about half of the driveway, left the other half for later...what a big mistake that was
[01:27] <nixternal> 13" of heavy snow is no fun to move
[01:27] <jjesse> i did the front walk and were my car parks
[01:28] <jjesse> waiting for my plow guy to do the driveway for the 3rd time today :)
[01:29] <nixternal> and there is more on the way they said
[01:29] <nixternal> and now we have a lake effect band hitting us right now
[01:29] <crimsun> thank goodness we'll be getting that soon
[01:29] <nixternal> I thought you were going to get the thunderstorms and such
[01:30] <nixternal> I forgot to ask my daughter what the weather was like there
[01:30] <crimsun> yes, unfortunately all the bad and none of the good [freezing]
[01:30] <nixternal> I sent them a picture from the phone, there is about a 10' drift that goes up over our shed
[01:30] <jjesse> it snowed pretty much from 11am on
[01:30] <jjesse> still snowing here
[01:30] <nixternal> ScottK2: did you live in the dc area for the ice storm in 94?
[01:30] <ScottK2> Yes
[01:31] <nixternal> or the nor'easter that dropped more than 3 feet of snow in 24 hours in 96
[01:31] <ScottK2> Yes
[01:31] <nixternal> haha, both sucked
[01:31] <nixternal> in 96 I was driving my 74 vw bus, myself and my buddy in his 74 slant 6 dodge ram were the only ones on the road
[01:31] <ScottK2> Even worse we got another one like 96 in 2003, but it was 3 feet of snow one day and one foot of rain the next.
[01:31] <nixternal> haha, I pulled out a 4x4 chevy 1500 with the vw
[01:32] <nixternal> nor'easters suck
[01:32] <ScottK2> I've also been underway in them too.
[01:32] <nixternal> there was also a hurricane in 95 that made a mess out of the area too
[01:32] <ScottK2> I'll take the snow shoveling.  Thank you very much
[01:32] <nixternal> never underway in a nor'easter, but underway in a hurricane
[01:32] <ScottK2> Yep.  I had no power for 4 days in that one.
[01:33] <nixternal> and I was on a destroyer...up, down, and side to side, like a gangstah rap video
[01:33] <nixternal> jjesse: nothing beats the blizzard of 79 though does it?
[01:34] <nixternal> southwestern michigan got over 5' of snow in 2 days, you couldn't open the door to go outside
[01:34] <nixternal> I have pictures of me standing up in the driveway under the snow we made a tunnel through
[01:34] <nixternal> my dad drove a plow and I remember going down 94 and seeing 20' snow drifts
[01:35] <ScottK2> I was also underway on the extreme fringes of The Perfect Storm.
[01:35] <nixternal> thankfully I haven't seen any snow like that in a long time...though 96 in md was close
[01:35] <nixternal> that ice storm really sucked too
[01:35] <nixternal> we lived by PG&E and still was w/o power forever
[01:35] <nixternal> or is it BG&E
[01:36] <ScottK2> BG&E I'd guess.
[01:36] <nixternal> i can't remember if it was baltimore gas and electric
[01:36] <nixternal> don't get the gas though, since everything in that area was electric
[01:37] <ScottK2> The best underway storm I got was getting sent into the Gulf of Maine in January 1991 and we were told to go find big waves because they were testing out some hull mods.
[01:38] <nixternal> ya, luckily I never got to do any of those
[01:38]  * ScottK2 restrains the urge to tell Sea stories.
[01:39] <nixternal> I think I wore the patch pretty much everytime underway...I never got over it
[01:39] <nixternal> haha, sea stories rock
[01:39] <ScottK2> I had to at first, but I got the hang of it after a while.
[01:39] <nixternal> mine are all boring except for 2 hurricane runs where I puked none stop, and doing drug ops with the coast guard between miami and cuba
[01:39] <nixternal> coast guard are some mean mofos
[01:40] <ScottK2> We had one SKC who kit his rack about the time they hauled the lines in and stayed there until we tied up again he was so sick.
[01:40] <ScottK2> kit/hit
[01:41] <nixternal> heh
[01:42] <nixternal> when we hit big waves, I always got up in the turret of the mk 45 because of the stabilizers...grab a couple of pillows, line the sway panels, and chill...you could barely feel the waves
[01:43] <ScottK2> What class ship was this on?
[01:43] <nixternal> kid
[01:43] <nixternal> kidd
[01:44] <ScottK2> Ah.
[01:44] <nixternal> Aegis was a little more rigid
[01:44] <ScottK2> Yeah.  And they roll like crazy in quartering seas.
[01:44] <nixternal> my ship is now in service with the Greek Navy
[01:45] <nixternal> I had a chance to take a civilian job on it in 98 in Greece, but like an idiot I turned it down to work on computers instead
[01:45] <ScottK2> I did OK in the Gulf of Maine thing until we were at a GQ drill doing circle W tests (all the ventilation turned off for you land lubbers) and the guy next to me puked.
[01:45] <nixternal> ewww
[01:46] <ScottK2> It was into a bag, but the smell got me.
[01:46] <nixternal> just the smell period during circle w ops suck
[01:47] <nixternal> especially if you were anywhere near the galley
[01:47] <ScottK2> I was in combat.
[01:48] <nixternal> oh, do circle w in the persian gulf when it is 120 on the weather deck
[01:48] <nixternal> I spent way to much time in the persian gulf
[01:49] <nixternal> I belly flopped into the persian gulf :p
[01:49] <nixternal> one of these days I will convert all of my mini tapes to dvd/digital...I have some amazing footage of all kinds of crazy stuff overseas
[01:49] <ScottK2> Sounds fun.
[01:50] <nixternal> I have good video of me and a british sailor fighting really good, and then 15 minutes later me and that same sailor drinking :)
[01:50] <nixternal> in gibraltor...that was a blast...he had one of them monkeys steal his 6pack
[01:51] <nixternal> if you weren't careful with your beer there, the monkeys would steal them and drink them...they were funny as hell, but man were they just as mean
[01:52] <ScottK2> Never stopped there.  Went by it.
[01:52] <ScottK2> I was OOD for most of our east bound transit.
[01:52] <nixternal> heh, did you put anyone on flying monkey watch when going through the straights?
[01:53] <ScottK2> I knew the CO had confidence in me as OOD when I looked over to give him yet another 300 yard CPA contact report and he was asleep.
[01:53] <nixternal> lol
[01:53] <ScottK2> I'm sure someone did.  I was making sure we didn't die.
[01:53] <nixternal> I hated working the bridge
[01:53] <ScottK2> We were leading the whole battle group.
[01:53] <ScottK2> It was a blast.
[01:54] <nixternal> but had to just get over with in order to get ESWAS
[01:54] <ScottK2> Yep.
[01:54] <ScottK2> I was primarily a CIC watchstander and then I got put on the bridge as OOD for one underway and never made it back.
[01:55] <ScottK2> So I was more tactically oriented than most OODs.
[01:55] <ScottK2> My nickname on watch was "The bridge TAO".
[01:55] <nixternal> I just wanted to stick in the gun mounts and the armory
[01:55] <ScottK2> Understand.
[01:55] <nixternal> I hated the rest of the ship, they were no fun
[01:56] <nixternal> I think we did more 50cal and 20mm quals then any other ship
[01:56] <nixternal> I remember doing reps and the ships order going "wtf do you guys do with all of the ammo?"
[01:57] <nixternal> I got in trouble for telling him "getting rid of them green peace bastards"
[01:57] <ScottK2> The thing I remember about .50 cal shoots was needing targets.  I'd mention to the GMC that we were going to need barrels to shoot at when we got underway.  They were always there on the fantail.  I never asked.
[01:58] <nixternal> man, that was a blast...we had 2 spec ops groups on the kidd, 1 seals and 1 marines
[01:58] <nixternal> we got to shoot everything
[01:59] <ScottK2> Yum
[02:04] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: you're not the only person on the planet, and that timezone is reasonable for you
[02:04] <Hobbsee> 6am meetings aren't that bad
[02:04] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: if you want to say things, make sure you email the list about what you want to say, prior ot the meeting
[02:05] <ScottK2> The stick is starting roll through the scrollback.  Watch out.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[02:05] <Hobbsee> indeed
[02:05] <Hobbsee> i should get times put into this, i think
[02:09]  * Jucato stays out of the way
 we got to shoot everything
[02:11]  * Jucato really *really* stays out of the way
[02:12] <nixternal> haha ScottK2, the stick is rolling!
[02:12] <nixternal> DUCK!
[02:12] <Jucato> *quack*
[02:12] <nixternal> Jucato: why do think the Phillipines do not allow the US Navy there any more?
[02:12] <Jucato> for *shooting* everything... but in a perverted sense
[02:12]  * Hobbsee uses the stick on nixternal
[02:12] <nixternal> got sick of hearing gun fire, the drunkedness of many sailors (do sailors really drink that much?) :)
[02:12]  * nixternal puts up his Tata Nano shield!
[02:13] <nixternal> I was going to get a Smart car, but now I want a Tata Nano
[02:13] <nixternal> it will make Hobbsee's car look like a tank it is so small :)
[02:13] <Jucato> nixternal: I'd add something to that.. but not fitting a logged channel
[02:13] <nixternal> Jucato: add to what?
[02:14] <nixternal> the US being banned from the Phillipines? :)
 got sick of hearing gun fire, the drunkedness of many sailors (do sailors really drink that much?) :)
[02:14] <ScottK2> I sure as heck did, although there were never any guns involved in my case.
[02:15] <nixternal> well, I am pretty sure I know what you would add, seeing you said you wouldn't since the channel is logged :)
[02:15] <Jucato> :D
[02:15] <nixternal> start with an R?
[02:15] <nixternal> and that was the Marines, not the Navy...we gave them losers rides :p
[02:15] <Jucato> hahaha
[02:16] <Hobbsee> mmm...shiny
[02:17] <Jucato> whenever I hear "navy"... I always picture (shiny) "seals"...
[02:17] <Jucato> (the animal)
[02:17] <nixternal> Like dude, that thing is TOTALLY unsafe! Like, what if a freight train hits it? Like for real Indians need to drive Tahoes coz they are so much safer. Like and to help the environment maybe they could, like, get the hybrid version and, like, make it totally off the grid by putting a solar panel on the hood and a windmill on the roof. Like that would be bitchin'. Like this is totally possible, dude. But, like, how do they exp
[02:17] <nixternal> gahahaha, that is in response to the Tata Nano
[02:31] <coreymon77> hey guys
[02:31] <coreymon77> how much space does kde4 take
[02:31] <coreymon77> because i have less that 5gb on my linux drive
[02:31] <coreymon77> than*
[02:31] <Hobbsee>  /dev/sda6     ext3    7.4G  5.5G  1.9G  75% / <-- with gnome and kde4
[02:32] <Hobbsee> just run apt-cache autoclean first, you'll b efine
[02:32] <Hobbsee> if you have /home on the same place, thta might be different
[02:32] <coreymon77> i do
[02:32] <coreymon77> any way of changing that?
[02:33] <Jucato> /usr/lib/kde4$ du -sh 175 M
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: is that all of it?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: repartition, fix /etc/fstab?
[02:33] <Jucato> should be, probably not counting some .desktop files?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> not bad, then
[02:33] <hads> 255M here
[02:34] <coreymon77> Jucato: so i should be fine?
[02:34] <Jucato> that's just kde-core though
[02:34] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: you've given no indication of how much space you use at the moment - how could we answer that?
[02:34] <coreymon77> currently
[02:34] <coreymon77> after cleaning out a bit
[02:34] <Hobbsee> sarah@saturn:~% du -sh /usr/lib/kde4                                     1:31PM
[02:34] <Hobbsee> 415M    /usr/lib/kde4
[02:34] <Hobbsee> with all kde4 metapackages installed
[02:34] <dschulz> hi all
[02:35] <coreymon77> i am using 13.85gb of an 18.32gb drive
[02:35] <coreymon77> on my other drive, i have a 30gb partition that is used for storage
[02:35] <Hobbsee> then you should be fine
[02:35] <coreymon77> only 6gb of that partition is actually in use though
[02:36] <coreymon77> its not possible to put kde4 on a different drive is it?
[02:36] <coreymon77> because i have plenty of space on my other drive
[02:36] <dschulz> i guess how bad would be to use upx to save some disk space, compressing all those kde4 binaries
[02:36] <Jucato> it's precompiled. unless you compile it yourself, you can't set the destination
[02:37] <coreymon77> oh
[02:37] <coreymon77> darn
[02:38] <coreymon77> so i am fine with 4.47gb of space?
 then you should be fine
[02:40] <coreymon77> okay
[02:40] <coreymon77> now we just gotta hope that this old toaster can handle kde4 ;)
[02:43] <coreymon77> btw, someone should fix the kde 4.0.1 announcement
[02:43] <coreymon77> the repository is cut off by the picture
[02:44] <coreymon77> just though you guys should know that
[02:46] <coreymon77> and should i only install -core?
[02:47] <Jucato> you can start off with that. and #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 support questions
[02:47] <coreymon77> okay, what about the announcement on the kubuntu website
[02:47] <coreymon77> is this the place to say that?
[02:48] <Jucato> you can ask Riddell about that (I think only he has access)
[02:49] <coreymon77> Riddell: ping
[02:50] <lontra> coreymon77: looks fine here
[02:51] <Jucato> it depends on the size/width of the browser window
[02:51] <coreymon77> that fixed it on my macbook
[02:52] <coreymon77> but my kubuntu box's window is as big as it goes
[02:52] <coreymon77> shouldnt there be text wrapping
[02:56] <mi> plasma-playground no update since 07.09.2007?
[02:56] <jjesse> intersting, with theu pdates today after i restarted kdm i lost the icons in the application launcher for any kde4 application?
[02:56] <jjesse> example: kde4-konsole used to be Terminal or something like that
[03:04] <jjesse> does anyone know how to keep the sound down low on the startup sound in gutsy kde4?
[03:04] <jjesse> its at the loudest setting upon logout and login
[03:15] <nixternal> jjesse: I cranked my volume down to quiet the login sound
[03:15] <nixternal> anywho
[03:15] <nixternal> nixternal->setStatus(sleep);
[03:16] <nixternal> 21:15 and I am crashing...no more snow please!
[03:30] <coreymon77> well, kde4 is nice and all
[03:30] <coreymon77> but it is definitely not meant for a low resolution computer
[03:33] <coreymon77> so it seems that the solution for me is to wait for kde4/mac to be perfected
[03:38] <Hobbsee> or to help out in getting it there
[03:38] <Hobbsee> what resolution are you running it on, anyway?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> 600x480 or something?
[03:43] <coreymon77> my desktop is 1024x678
[03:44] <coreymon77> my lappy
[03:44] <coreymon77> 1280x800
[03:44] <coreymon77> 768*
[03:44] <coreymon77> for the desktop
[03:45] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: i would help, except i dont know hwo and dont have the time to learn
[03:45] <Hobbsee> make time?
[03:45] <coreymon77> my school seems to have something against social lives
[03:46] <coreymon77> or any free time in general
[03:47] <ScottK2> This isn't social, so it'll be fine.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> yet you have time to be on irc.
[03:47] <coreymon77> im doing work at the same time
[03:48] <ScottK2> Excellent multi-task just a little more.
[03:48] <jjesse> lol :)
[03:48] <coreymon77> its a miracle that i can do 2 thigns at once, dont go pushing it :P
[03:50] <ScottK2> Stretching yourself improves you brain.  The more you do, the more you can do.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> bah.  pathetic men.
[03:51] <jjesse> ok heres a question:  why can i see the folder when i do a smb://jjesse-laptop03 but when i click on the folder that is shared or navigate directory to the shared folder i get a message that it isn't available
[03:51] <jjesse> or there is no path
[03:55] <jjesse> ok interseting problem, copied a ms word document to the desktop of my ahrdy vm, when i try to open it in OOO nothing opens
[03:55] <jjesse> click on the file, see splash screen then nothing, no process rnning according to System Activity
[03:58] <jjesse> oh thats interesting, problem was copyed it to the desktop
[04:01] <jjesse> the copy to the desktop didn't actually create the file, created an icon
[04:02] <Jucato> kde4?
[04:02] <Jucato> and hi jjesse! :0
[04:02] <Jucato> :)
[04:02]  * Jucato snaps fingers that he missed nixternal...
[04:03] <ScottK2> Better luck on your aim next time.
[04:03] <Jucato> I ain't no military man :P
[04:04] <ScottK2> That would explain the missing then.
[04:04] <ScottK2> ;-)
[04:04] <Jucato> hahah
[04:04] <jjesse> hello Jucato
[04:05] <jjesse> yeah Jucato on kde4
[04:05] <Jucato> yeah, when you drag files/folder from Dolphin to the desktop, it actually creates an Icon plasmoid...
[04:05] <jjesse> not just Dolphin, but Konqi as well
[04:06] <Jucato> Konqi uses dolphinpart :)
[04:06] <jjesse> ah makes sense then
[04:06] <jjesse> is there going to be a #kubuntu-kde4 channel and a #kubuntu for kde3.5?
[04:06] <Jucato> there already is
[04:07] <Jucato> yo da sKreech!
[04:07] <ScottK2> So that would be a yes.
[04:07] <dasKreech> Umm
[04:07] <dasKreech> yo?
[04:07] <jjesse> ah didn't know that...
[04:08] <jjesse> so in the book, i'm only covering kde4 so i should reference #kubuntu-kde4 for support then
[04:08] <dasKreech> how long is that expected to be up?
[04:08] <dasKreech>  and will it redirect to the proper place when it's taken down?
[04:09] <Jucato> you can expect it to be redirected to the proper place when it's down. as to how long.. you'll have to ask jussi01 and Hobbsee...
[04:10] <jjesse> Hobbsee: you around?  can you answer my question in regards to #kubuntu-kde4?
[04:10]  * dasKreech asks jussi01 and Hobbsee
[04:13] <dasKreech> Good point. Assuming that we move KDE4 to main at some point would it get built for PPC ?
[04:14] <Jucato> PPC is no longer officially supported remember?
[04:14] <Jucato> !ppc
[04:14] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[04:18] <dasKreech> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/20080206/
[04:20] <jjesse> wow i didn't realize in kde4 if i go to the top right corner i get a dispaly that shows all my apps windowed... that is sweet
[04:20] <jjesse> much better then flip 3d
[04:21] <ScottK2> Jucato: But that doesn't mean we won't do it on a best effort.
[04:21] <Jucato> jjesse: yeah, the "Expose" feature... forgot the proper name
[04:21] <Jucato> ScottK2: sure. :P
[04:22] <jjesse> night folks
[04:23] <Jucato> night jjesse!
[04:32] <Jucato> right... /me gives up
[04:34]  * coreymon77 has the real expose
[04:35] <dasKreech> :-P
[04:51]  * Hobbsee fights rdiff-backup
[04:51] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i'm not sure how long it's staying open for
[04:51] <Hobbsee> it'll depend on how much it seems required when hardy comes out
[08:21] <mi> ktrafficanalyzer looks great but not part kde4
[08:21] <mi> or knetdockapp
[08:26] <mi> http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/3994/snapshot3kd5.png
[08:27] <mhb> knetdockapp is KDE3 I guess
[08:28] <mhb> we already have such a nice quicklauncher?
[08:28] <mhb> groovy
[09:11] <yap> hi
[10:39] <mi> did flip effects will be in kde4 ?
[10:39] <mi> alt+tab
[10:44] <Riddell> mi: #kubuntu-offtopic for chat
[11:05] <mi> Riddell: tq
[11:06] <mi> :)
[11:55] <Riddell> vorian: comments on bug 189675
[11:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189675 in marble "new upstream release for marble 0.5.1" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189675
[11:56] <vorian> Riddell: ok, i'm on it
[11:56] <vorian> actually, latter on today
[11:56]  * vorian is off to work now
[11:58] <Riddell> thanks
[12:04] <iRon> ух ты :)
[12:04] <iRon> oopps..
[12:04] <iRon> sorry
[12:14] <Riddell> do others get horrible italics text on planet.kde.org in konqueror 4?
[12:14] <Nightrose> testing
[12:15] <Nightrose> looks fine to me
[12:17] <Riddell> ok, thanks Nightrose
[12:20] <apachelogger_> Riddell: at least konqueror 4 is working now :-P
[12:20]  * apachelogger_ revus monkeystudio
[12:20] <apachelogger_> stdin: ping
[12:30] <emonkey> monkeystudio? sounds interesting
[12:33] <Riddell> apachelogger_: did you upload a fix?
[12:34] <apachelogger_> Riddell: for, the save as stuff, yes
[12:34] <apachelogger_> Riddell: mind sending me a screenshot of the planet?
[12:34] <apachelogger_> maybe something pops into my mind
[12:43] <Riddell> apachelogger_: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/planet.png
[12:43] <Riddell> apachelogger_: how did you solve the save as issue?
[12:45] <iRon> Riddell: i've got such broken italic font not only in konqueror, but in kde sysguard too..
[12:45] <apachelogger_> I didn't tell you?
[12:46] <apachelogger_> Riddell: more worked around... /usr/lib/kde4/share/applications/kde4/foobar.desktop overrides default XDG, so the kde4 path includes a desktopfile without absolute path
[12:47] <apachelogger_> XDG default still does, which means that it is probably still broken in KDE 3
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger_: right, thanks, we can look at that later
[12:47] <apachelogger_> yep
[12:47] <Riddell> iRon: me too
[12:51] <apachelogger_> Riddell: which fonts are you using for khtml?
[12:51] <iRon> apachelogger: DejaVu Sans
[12:53] <apachelogger_> hmmm
[12:53] <apachelogger_> iRon: can you please snapshot the font settings in systemsettings?
[12:53] <iRon> apachelogger_: may be it metters font size and dpi settings?
[12:54] <apachelogger_> yeah, that's my guess
[12:54] <apachelogger_> but I can't reproduce right now
[12:54] <iRon> ok.. will try to play with settings
[12:55] <apachelogger_> iRon: first upload a screenshot ;-)
[12:55]  * apachelogger_ want this effect as well
[12:55] <apachelogger_> maybe it actually is a feature
[13:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: new kopete still doesn´t open messages instantly and now also crashes at startup for me when I set it to connect on startup :(
[13:01]  * apachelogger_ suggests removing kopete-kde4 completely from hardy
[13:01] <apachelogger_> this app isn't of any use
[13:01] <apachelogger_> in fact I think it's got a lot worse since 4.0.0
[13:02] <apachelogger_> 4.0.1 made me switch to kopete from kde3 again
[13:02] <Nightrose> meh kopete kde 3 now crashes even more for me - not good
[13:02] <apachelogger_> yay
[13:02] <apachelogger_> all broken
[13:03]  * apachelogger_ suggest removing kopete completely from hardy as well
[13:03]  * Nightrose will stick to the new kopete
[13:03] <apachelogger_> psi is doing way better
[13:04] <Riddell> apachelogger_: it works for me
[13:04] <apachelogger_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork-kde4
[13:04] <Riddell> not that I use instant messenging
[13:04] <apachelogger_> all bugs are kopete related
[13:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: well the "open messages instantly" thing...
[13:04] <Nightrose> you just didn´t include it right?
[13:05] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: did I fix this?
[13:05] <Nightrose> you did
[13:05] <Nightrose> at least you said so
[13:05] <Nightrose> sec
[13:05] <Nightrose> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork-kde4/+bug/182349
[13:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182349 in kdenetwork-kde4 "Kopete-kde4 has an issue with message handling under behavioural settings" [Low,In progress]
[13:05] <apachelogger_> hm
[13:05] <Nightrose> see your comment
[13:05] <apachelogger_> interessting
[13:06] <apachelogger_> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146882
[13:06] <ubotu> KDE bug 146882 in general ""Message handling" unset when setting it to "Open messages instantly" and reopening the configuration dialog" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[13:06] <apachelogger_> apparently that never got into KDE 4
[13:06] <apachelogger_> can't check though
[13:07] <iRon> apachelogger_: http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokenfontsbo2.png
[13:07] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: new neon is waiting for build, muhahahaha
[13:07] <Nightrose> \o/
[13:07] <apachelogger_> monkeystudio ftbs
[13:07] <apachelogger_> :S
[13:08] <apachelogger_> iRon: anything configured in anti-aliazing?
[13:08] <iRon> apachelogger_: Enabled, Hinting = Full
[13:09] <iRon> apachelogger_: look at buttons font size in fonts settings window and kde sysguard.. they are different
[13:10] <apachelogger_> indeed
[13:10] <apachelogger_> iRon: are you running hardy?
[13:10] <buz> iRon: the fontbug is in bugzilla
[13:10] <iRon> apachelogger_: hardy
[13:11] <apachelogger_> iRon: that isn't 4.0.1 is it?
[13:11] <buz> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154919
[13:11] <ubotu> KDE bug 154919 in general "Konqueror wrong font rendering" [Normal,New]
[13:11] <iRon> apachelogger_: 4.0.1
[13:11] <apachelogger_> Oo
[13:11] <apachelogger_> no
[13:11] <apachelogger_> oh
[13:11] <apachelogger_> ah
[13:11] <buz> its still broken in 4.0.1
[13:11] <apachelogger_> iRon: did you ever install kde4 from src?
[13:11] <buz> on kde-look.org for example
[13:12] <iRon> apachelogger_: yep..
[13:12] <apachelogger_> hehe
[13:12] <apachelogger_> well
[13:12] <apachelogger_> iRon: you're using 2 different KDE's :D
[13:12] <apachelogger_> the close button isn't at the bottom of ksysguard for ages
[13:13] <iRon> apachelogger_: press ctrl+escape
[13:14] <apachelogger_> can't
[13:14] <apachelogger_> my shortcuts are b0rked
[13:14] <iRon> :)
[13:14] <apachelogger_> though that is a good point
[13:14] <apachelogger_> throw that explanation to the other crappy ones
[13:15] <apachelogger_> well
[13:16] <apachelogger_> iRon: IMO it's caused by some underlying issue
[13:16] <apachelogger_> especially since I can't reproduce it
[13:16] <apachelogger_> iRon: maybe create a new user and try whether you can trigger the issue there as well
[13:16] <iRon> ok.. will try
[13:17] <buz> for me the close button is there as well
[13:17] <buz> and i never compiled from source
[13:18] <apachelogger_> yeah, it is for the embedded mode
[13:18]  * apachelogger_ never uses that one though ^_^
[13:18] <buz> i never use ksysguard :P
[13:18] <apachelogger_> harldy for me
[13:18] <buz> top is more useful to me
[13:19] <apachelogger_> htop ftw
[13:19] <apachelogger_> the only taks I would do is kill an app
[13:19] <apachelogger_> so killall is enough for me
[13:20] <buz> yeah
[13:20] <buz> killall is needed for kde4 :P
[13:20] <apachelogger_> .0
[13:56] <Riddell> nixternal: can you add a kubuntu meeting to fridge at 11:00 on saturday
[14:12] <mhb> aah, waiting after the exam is terrible
[14:13] <Riddell> mhb: what was the exam?
[15:30] <tlayton> anybody have problems (with latest updates on hardy) with the left click actually performing a double-click, and the right-click not working sometimes.
[15:31] <gribelu> tlayton: i don't have that problem..
[15:32] <tlayton> i've check all possible settings, changed ports, and even rebooted. hmmmmm
[15:33] <Jucato> you can also try asking in #ubuntu+1 for other Kubuntu Hardy users if they're having the same problem
[15:35] <Riddell> tlayton: could be a linux problem, my other laptop likes to repeat mouse clicks sometimes and be unresponsive at others with acpi on
[15:35] <tlayton> Riddell: possibly the new 2.6.24-7 kernel?
[15:36] <tlayton> that's only i thing i changed other than normal updates
[15:36] <Riddell> shrug, worth testing
[15:36] <tlayton> brb
[15:37] <stdin> apachelogger: belated pong
[15:38] <Riddell> stdin: remind me again what you said when I suggested you come to UDS?
[15:39] <stdin> Riddell: hmm, don't know what I said now. but I would love to go
[15:44] <Riddell> stdin: great, I've put you down
[15:53] <apachelogger> stdin: can you please push latest workspace to the PPA
[15:53] <apachelogger> kdm is broken in ubuntu1
[15:54] <stdin> kk
[15:59] <stdin> done :)
[16:22] <mhb> Riddell: computer principles
[16:22] <mhb> Riddell: ridiculous questions like "how many page faults does happen when you move 3MB of data with a 2B instruction and a 3-level page table"
[16:28] <nixternal> Riddell: meeting added to the fridge
[16:28] <Riddell> nixternal: great. how's that passport application going along?
[16:29] <Riddell> 14:52 < Keybuk>  * it will be in Prague
[16:29] <Riddell> 14:52 < Keybuk>  * Mon 19th to Fri 23rd of May
[16:30] <Riddell> incase anyone missed it
[16:30] <nixternal> Riddell: I have to pay $3500 in old parking tickets first :)
[16:30] <jpatrick> oh, just before my b-day
[16:30] <jjesse> wow 3k in parking tickets?
[16:30] <jjesse> would that be part of your sponsorship? :)
[16:31] <nixternal> hehe
[16:31] <nixternal> those are from 1989 through about 1992
[16:31] <jjesse> i bet prague is nice
[16:31] <jjesse> it would be really nice to have more kubuntu devs then Riddell at UDS, unlike boston when it was just him
[16:32] <jjesse> and me but i'm not really a developer :)
[16:32] <nixternal> well, if it was in the US I would definitely be there :)  but I gotta see about getting this passport first
[16:50] <ScottK> jjesse: I was there part of the time.
[17:10]  * ScottK2 turns the laptop's network off so the document will actually get written today ...
[18:00] <ScottK> I thought you all would enjoy this: http://www.ttgnet.com/daynotes/2008/2008-06.html#Wed
[18:02] <jpatrick> :)
[18:03] <coreymon77> nice
[18:05] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, bad luck for me
[18:05] <coreymon77> huh?
[18:05] <mhb> Riddell: I failed this one, so I guess a few more days of learning for me
[18:06] <coreymon77> im lost
[18:06] <jpatrick> coreymon77: UDS I think
[18:06] <coreymon77> im still lost
[18:06] <Riddell> mhb: :(
[18:06] <mhb> jpatrick: well I'm referring to my failed exam
[18:06] <mhb> jpatrick: which prevents further work on jockey
[18:06] <coreymon77> ah
[18:06] <jpatrick> mhb: ah right
[18:07] <coreymon77> failed an exam
[18:07] <mhb> Riddell: when's the deadline again?
[18:07] <coreymon77> tough luck
[18:07] <mhb> no big deal
[18:07] <mhb> it's just that I have less time on free software
[18:13] <dschulz> Riddell: excuse me.. when you have some spare time, please take a look at this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/22305
[18:16] <ScottK> dschulz: I can answer that.
[18:17] <dschulz> ScottK: ok
[18:27] <jjesse> afternoon
[18:31] <dschulz> scottk: your answer clarifies all my doubts. Thanks a lot!
[18:33] <ScottK> dschulz: You're welcome.
[18:39] <jpatrick> Lure, stdin, apachelogger: /connect irc.oftc.net and /join #debian-qt-kde ;)
[18:40] <Lure> jpatrick: patry there?
[18:40] <jpatrick> Lure: all the time
[18:42] <mhb> this is bad
[18:42] <mhb> feature freeze 14th
[18:42] <jpatrick> Lure: oh, and as MOTU I think you should join here: https://alioth.debian.org/project/request.php?group_id=30221
[18:43] <mhb> in seven days.
[18:43] <mhb> well
[18:43] <mhb> I must not disappoint you guys.
[18:43] <mhb> no sleep mode activated :o)
[18:47] <stdin> jpatrick: any reason?
[18:47] <jpatrick> stdin: watch and help out with Debian?
[18:48] <stdin> ok :)
[18:48]  * ScottK encourages this sort of behavior
[18:49]  * jpatrick puts such behaviour into action
[18:50] <ScottK> My first big step is going to be pushing our Klamav package into Debian, but first I have to get the current maintainer declared MIA and hijack it.  That takes time.
[18:51] <ScottK> jpatrick: Have you got a few minutes to look into something?
[18:51] <jpatrick> ScottK: sure
[18:52] <ScottK> jpatrick: Would you please grab the current scribus source package from Hardy and tell me why the upstream .desktop is getting installed and not the one in debian/?
[18:53] <Riddell> mhb: feature freeze a week today
[18:53] <jpatrick> ScottK: downloading
[18:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:55] <mhb> Riddell: yeah, that kind of sucks
[18:55] <mhb> well for me
[18:55] <mhb> but I'll try
[18:55] <Riddell> mhb: mind that exams are your priority
[18:56] <jpatrick> Riddell: is there no way the freeze can be relaxed or it's final?
[18:56] <Riddell> it's possible
[18:56] <mhb> they are, I'll just cancel my schedule with the sandman
[18:56] <mhb> and it'll all fit
[18:57] <ScottK> mhb: Getting a freeze exception is preferred to uploading something broken and bugfixing it after the freeze.
[18:57] <ScottK> Not saying that doesn't happen ...
[18:57] <mhb> Riddell: also, I hope you don't mind that jockey won't have a shiny "model/view framework" just yet, do you?
[18:58] <Riddell> mhb: not at all
[18:58] <Riddell> that model/view stuff confuses me entirely
[19:04] <jpatrick> ScottK: is it meant to be a mix of cmake and autohell?
[19:06] <nixternal> you gotta love a professor who gives homework right from the book...then you gotta love google for providing you all of the answers
[19:06] <nixternal> 4 to 6 hours of homework done in about an hour :)
[19:07] <nixternal> now comes the UML fun, but luckily for me, I know this guy who created an application just for UML :)
[19:08] <Lure> nixternal: that tells nothing about his knowledge of uml ;-)
[19:09] <ScottK> jpatrick: I'm guessing, but I know little about either, so I gave up early.
[19:09] <Lure> Riddell: are you still maintaining it?
[19:10] <nixternal> Lure: hehe
[19:10] <nixternal> I don't think he is still maintaining it...I think I saw some other names in the About dialog when I fired it up earlier
[19:11] <Riddell> only in theory
[19:11] <Riddell> nixternal: my name has never been in there
[19:11] <jpatrick> ScottK: remove lines 462 to 465 in CMakeLists.txt in a patch?
[19:11] <nixternal> Paul Hensgen seems to be maintaining it now according to the About dialog
[19:12] <nixternal> Riddell: ahhh
[19:12] <ScottK> jpatrick: Could be.  I'll have a look at it.  Thanks.
[19:12] <Riddell> he's the original author from years back
[19:13] <jpatrick> ScottK: no problem
[19:26] <mhb> could someone do a little test for me?
[19:27] <mhb> hmm, not anymore
[20:03] <mhb> I've never thought workaround can be elegant
[20:03] <mhb> but they can
[20:13] <mhb> thank God Qt has everything in it
[20:14] <mhb> I was afraid for a minute that it doesn't have a KMessageBox alternative
[20:14] <mhb> but there's everything there
[20:20] <Nightrose> nixternal: dot story for you - quick before Riddell gets it ;-)
[21:18]  * apachelogger_ notes that we have too many upstream bugs in LP
[21:19] <apachelogger_> txwikinger: could you forward some [KDE 4] bugs, without link to a KDE bug, to upstream?
[21:20] <txwikinger> yes
[21:20] <txwikinger> I will get on it apachelogger_
[21:21] <apachelogger_> txwikinger: thanks :)
[21:22] <txwikinger> apachelogger_: np
[21:51] <txwikinger> how do I link an upstream series in launchpad?
[21:53] <txwikinger> well.. or rather do I need to create a new one for koffice2?
[21:54] <ScottK> txwikinger: Don't worry about it.
[21:54] <txwikinger> ok I put it under koffice
[22:28] <txwikinger> where is koffice2 for hardy? do I need to add a particular repo?
[22:28] <jpatrick> txwikinger: I think it's koffice-kde4
[22:30] <txwikinger> ah thanks... that works
[22:39] <gribelu_> hey umm.. i made a patch for kdebase-workspace that enables panel resizing and positioning with UI + the digital clock behaves + the clock can display seconds + the font on the taskbar buttons looks better + the taskbar buttons respect the font size set in systemsettings ..
[22:39] <gribelu_> i don't know what else
[22:39] <gribelu_> anyone interested in it?
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> gribelu_: I'm sure the devs would be, they were looking for someone to do that (I think)
[22:42] <gribelu_> apachelogger_ backported the multi-row taskbar .. afaik the rest didn't get done
[22:43] <apachelogger_> someone just needs to prepare proper patches for me :P
[22:44] <gribelu_> :/
[22:44] <gribelu_> my patch is a huge piece of diff .. 92k
[22:44] <apachelogger_> hm
[22:44] <apachelogger_> gribelu_: please splitt it
[22:45] <apachelogger_> at least in appearance improvements and features
[22:45] <gribelu_> maybe bugs too heh .. i don't see any but who knows
[22:45] <jpatrick> I thought patches shouldn't depend on one another
[22:45] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: well
[22:45] <apachelogger_> gribelu_: that stuff is in stable, right?
[22:46] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: wouldn't matter if the patches get kicked in .2 anyway
[22:46] <ScottK> jpatrick: It's OK for them to have a sequence required.
[22:46] <jpatrick> yep
[22:46] <gribelu_> apachelogger_: i got most of it from trunk but i hacked quite a bit to make it work
[22:47] <apachelogger_> ok
[22:47] <apachelogger_> gribelu_: you also need to differ stuff from stable and trunk
[22:47] <apachelogger_> since stable needs to get kicked for 4.0.2
[22:48] <gribelu_> i'll try.. might take a while though i want to build the package a few more times to test some stuff
[22:51] <gribelu_> does http://websvn.kde.org/ work for any of you?
[22:51] <jpatrick> gribelu_: it's down
[23:57] <txwikinger> Such a shame... triaging Kword bugs makes me find and submit new ones