[01:30] <Lucifer> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blueprint/+spec/task-tracking   <--- is there any way for me to comment on that?
[01:31] <mwhudson> i think you can write on the whiteboard, but i don't know if that would be useful
[01:32] <Lucifer> hmmm, it didn't look terribly useful when I looked at it :(
[01:32] <Lucifer> now I want to search for a "comment on blueprints" feature in the launchpad blueprint list ;)
[01:32] <mwhudson> well, it will result in mail being sent to some people
[01:32] <mwhudson> not sure who
[01:33] <mwhudson> sending mail to launchpad-users may be a better idea :)
[01:33] <Lucifer> that particular blueprint is locked up behind a password prompt, so for all I know the comment I wanted to make is already made
[02:46] <sm> how can I get some old translation import queue entries purged ?
[02:46] <sm> the first 3 at https://translations.launchpad.net/zwiki/trunk/+imports
[03:04] <thumper> sm: you could try asking a question on the rosetta project...
[03:05] <sm> thx
[04:21] <Aloha> how do i access launchpad.canonical.com?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> you don't?
[04:21] <Aloha> oh heh :)
[04:21] <Aloha> just wanted to look up information for the pre 2.0 sprint
[04:28] <Aloha> when you do apt-get do you download from soyuz?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> no
[04:45] <Aloha> oh. then what packages does soyuz manage?
[04:51] <jamesh> Aloha: soyuz manages building of the packages and builds the package archive
[04:51] <jamesh> Aloha: apt-get then retrieves packages from that package archive (which is served as static files from a web server)
[04:52] <Aloha> jamesh, so soyuz is the thing that actually builds the packages, like on the PPA servers... they use soyuz?
[04:52] <jamesh> Aloha: PPAs are managed by soyuz, yes.
[04:52] <Aloha> jamesh, gotcha. what is launchpad calendar? theres nothing on the project page
[04:53] <jamesh> Aloha: a feature that we never really developed properly, and then withdrew
[04:53] <Aloha> jamesh, gotcha, thnx
[04:54] <lifeless> thumper: damn ozone
[04:55] <thumper> lifeless: burnt?
[04:55] <lifeless> caitlyn, yay accidentally paging up in the channel
[04:59] <thumper> lifeless: that'd be caitlin
[05:00] <lifeless> sorry!
[05:01] <Aloha> launchpad says there was an error connecting to launchpad server
[05:03] <lifeless> back now
[08:28] <carlos> morning
[11:17] <ubotu> New bug: #189866 in soyuz "publish-distro should be a LaunchpadScript" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189866
[11:18] <ubotu> New bug: #189830 in python-launchpad-bugs "Launchpad's login bug: two times to be able to enter" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189830
[11:18] <ubotu> New bug: #189880 in rosetta "Need to support six plural forms" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189880
[11:28] <asac> you surely know the dupe suggestion list when filing a bug :)? i tried to produce similar results using adv. search form, no success.
[11:28] <asac> any idea? maybe some url/post data magic would do the trick?
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #189890 in rosetta "Max. number of plural forms is hard-coded" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189890
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #189904 in soyuz "cron.germinate change to avoid hardcoding URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189904
[13:21] <zul> hi, how do I make one group a sub-member of another group
[13:22] <zul> ie: I want ubuntu-xen to be a member of ubuntu-virt
[13:22] <Hobbsee> zul: are you an admin of the first group?
[13:22] <Hobbsee> er, the parent group?
[13:22] <salgado> zul, if you're an admin of ubuntu-virt you can go and add ubuntu-xen to it
[13:23] <zul> salgado: ah..ok..gotcha
[13:23] <salgado> zul, note that one of the admins from ubuntu-xen will have to approve that, though
[13:24] <salgado> they'll be notified by email that they should either approve or not
[14:34] <ddaa> hey there
[14:34] <ddaa> I'm setting up a project for Logix http://livelogix.net/logix/index.html
[14:35] <ddaa> there's one of those annoying ghost account already using the name "logix"
[14:35] <ddaa> I would like this name for the Logix Team
[14:35] <ddaa> Could someone be so kind as to rename the logix user to something else?
[14:36] <ddaa> kiko-afk: can you do this?
[14:49] <kiko-afk> ddaa!
[14:49] <kiko-afk> I could, let me just check
[14:49] <ubotu> New bug: #189923 in malone "RFE: discourage no-package bug filing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189923
[14:50] <kiko-afk> ddaa, done!
[14:50] <ddaa> kiko-afk: thanks
[14:50] <kiko> two ghosts with two stones
[14:51] <bigjools> it's a right ghost story
[15:00] <ubotu> New bug: #189932 in launchpad "Inconsistency in showing the Translation status  (dup-of: 189931)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189932
[16:03] <No`> hi all
[16:03] <No`> can anyone explain me why my tiny project with no release yet is now on the "featured project" on the home page?
[16:05] <No`> is it a bug?
[16:17] <bac> No`:  the 'featured projects' are hand-picked projects the launchpad team thinks deserve highlighting.  i've seen PyRoom mentioned in a few blogs recently, perhaps that is why it was picked.  enjoy the exposure!
[16:18] <No`> bac: but it has been created on sunday! and it's... almost empty! *sigh*
[16:19]  * No` will then put a sign on the project home page: EARLY BETA, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED ;)
[16:20] <mrevell> No`: I think it's a good thing that the project's on the home page, tbh. If you'd really prefer it wasn't, we can remove it. Don't forget, Launchpad's a development platform, so people won't necessarily be expecting a polished product.
[16:21] <jelmer> mrevell: Hi Matt
[16:21] <jelmer> mrevell: Do you know whether there are any plans to allow exporting bug data ?
[16:21] <mrevell> jelmer: Hi!
[16:22] <mrevell> jelmer: Yes, that's something we're planning to provide. What are you looking to do, in particular?
[16:23] <jelmer> mrevell: Some way to export the bugs for a single project in a standard format (XML or something) and as a single file
[16:24] <jelmer> mrevell: for offline use, and so I'm sure I can migrate if I ever want to
[16:26] <mrevell> jelmer: It's our goal to make it easy to do that but it's not available right now. 
[16:30] <ubotu> New bug: #189962 in malone "Subscribing oneself to a bug is not recorded on /+activity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189962
[16:54] <mtaylor> statik: around? 
[16:58] <kiko-fud> hey mtaylor 
[16:58] <mtaylor> hey kiko-fud !
[16:58] <mtaylor> kiko-fud: are you spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt? 
[16:59] <kiko-fud> I am a fud defeater
[17:02] <mtaylor> rock
[17:02] <kiko> it's hard but I lay down the law
[17:52] <kiko> *** meeting in T-8 minutes in #launchpad-meeting, be there or be^2
[17:55] <stub> I'm definitely still roundish so I guess I have to turn up :-P
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #189980 in twisted "pidfile of buildd-sequencer needs to be world-readable" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189980
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #189994 in launchpad "Add python-turbogears and germinate to launchpad-dependencies" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189994
[20:18] <ubotu> New bug: #57716 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Edgy  Eft - fglrx module not started (dup-of: 63182)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57716
[20:18] <ubotu> New bug: #60422 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "Problem with fglrx in edgy. (dup-of: 63182)" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60422
[20:18] <ubotu> New bug: #61451 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "totem-xine very slow since fglrx 7.0.0-8.25.18+2.6.15.11-5 (dup-of: 63182)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61451
[20:28] <ubotu> New bug: #66287 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "fglrx freeze machine (dup-of: 63182)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66287
[20:28] <ubotu> New bug: #67325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 (restricted) "fglrx bug (dup-of: 63182)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67325
[20:29] <aantn> hello
[20:29] <aantn> I'm getting an error when trying to push my branch to launchpad
[20:29] <aantn> "The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.94.254)' can't be established."
[20:30] <aantn> here's the full thing
[20:30] <aantn> http://rafb.net/p/o5KNlN70.html
[20:32] <kiko> aantn, say yes.
[20:33] <aantn> kiko: kk
[20:35] <kiko> aantn, ken?
[20:40] <aantn> kiko: it connects without a problem now... thanks
[20:40]  * aantn pushes his first branch
[20:44] <kiko> aantn, טוב מאוך  
[20:45] <aantn> kiko: heh :-D
[20:45] <aantn> but you got the last letter wrong :P
[20:46] <kiko> aantn, I hate kaf
[20:46] <kiko> my keyboard tricks me into using it
[20:47] <aantn> :)
[20:47] <kiko> why isn't there a dalet sofit though. I wonder if there used to be
[20:47]  * aantn shrugs
[20:47] <aantn> there's no gimmel sofit either
[20:48] <kiko> aantn, don't sofit forms exist because it was hard to tell words apart in narrow script?
[20:50] <aantn> kiko: I'm not sure... It would be interesting to look into
[20:51] <aantn> kiko: shouldn't there be a sofit form for every letter that's commonly found at the end of words then?
[20:52] <kiko> aantn, that would make sense, but it's not the case. the only reference I've found so far says it's a "purely calligraphic phenomenon": http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2005-October/026546.html
[20:54] <aantn> kiko: hmm...
[20:54] <kiko> or "remnants of unstressed final vowels": http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2005-October/026527.html
[20:54] <kiko> wow, maybe nobody knows
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #190024 in launchpad "OOPS in a non-existent feeds url " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190024
[20:55] <aantn> kiko: I always found taf and tsaf to be interesting
[20:56] <aantn> supposedly tsaf correct pronunciation is a "th" sound
[20:58] <kiko> aantn, what's tsaf?
[20:58] <aantn> kiko: last letter
[20:58] <aantn> (however you want to spell it in english :-D )
[20:59] <kiko> last letter of what? 
[20:59] <aantn> kiko: the hebrew alphabet
[21:00] <kiko> aantn, so tav, sure -- but tsav? is that with a dagesh in it?
[21:00] <kiko> (does tav even take a dagesh)
[21:02] <aantn> kiko: most people don't use it
[21:02] <aantn> some ashkenazik jews pronounce it similar to a tsadi
[21:03] <kiko> aantn, is there a difference in letter shape?
[21:03] <kiko> or is it just a positional difference?
[21:03] <aantn> its more of a yeshivish pronunciation
[21:04] <aantn> kiko: just the dot
[21:04] <aantn> kiko: you mostly hear it used with a tsadi ("tz") sound amoung charedim
[21:05] <kiko> aha
[21:05] <kiko> how interesting
[21:05] <kiko> ah, this is why you have sabbath versus sabbat
[21:05] <kiko> wow, that's very interesting!
[21:06] <aantn> kiko: exactly
[21:06] <kiko> I didn't know tav took dagesh
[21:06] <kiko> but I don't know much about anything!
[21:08] <aantn> kiko: heh, you know far more about the hebrew language than I do
[21:08] <kiko> !!
[21:08] <kiko> all I know is from 10 days I spent there around new years!
[21:09] <aantn> kiko: my knowledge is completely none academical and only from school and experience
[21:09] <aantn> kiko: where do you live?
[21:09] <kiko> in brazil
[21:09] <kiko> true land of sunshine, etc
[21:10] <aantn> <:o
[21:10]  * aantn made aliyah from the U.S. last year
[21:10] <kiko> I hear there's been snow in jerusalem this month?
[21:10] <aantn> I've seen a fair number of south americans in Israel
[21:10] <aantn> kiko: yes
[21:10] <kiko> lots of people from argentina
[21:10] <kiko> wow
[21:10] <kiko> it was cold when I was there, but nothing like snow
[21:10] <aantn> It's not *real* snow
[21:10] <aantn> (only a foot)
[21:10] <kiko> like -2C in the very early morning
[21:11] <kiko> like london snow then!
[21:11] <aantn> heh
[21:11]  * aantn comes from NY
[21:11] <kiko> aantn, how are you finding bzr so far?
[21:13] <kiko-afk> johan wants me to go watch movies instead of work
[21:13] <kiko-afk> only 7pm! and already slacking
[21:14] <aantn> kiko-afk: enjoy :-D
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #190032 in launchpad "Personal branches can only be edited by the author" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190032
[21:43] <mwhudson> without reading the report, it's a bit hard to see that one as a bug
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #190053 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse should not use the system bzrlib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190053