| rtc | Did someone already fix the issue noted by Knuth in his "Flame About 64-bit Pointers" (http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/news.html)? | 00:31 |
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| rtc | Ah, found it in the bugtracker... | 00:34 |
| === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette | ||
| Vadi | Quick question, but how does dependency resolution work when I remove a package? I ran into this problem - installed the emacs package, it for 67mb of other stuff. Removed it, and it only cleared 40kb of stuff. | 02:10 |
| Vadi | I had to manually go into synaptic and remove the things it dragged in. Not good, because there's a ton of other programs that can probably leave packages about and I won't know about them... | 02:11 |
| mahmoud_ | !offtopic | Vadi | 02:11 |
| ubotu | Vadi: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! | 02:11 |
| Vadi | Uh huh. Exactly which do I go to? | 02:12 |
| mahmoud_ | join #ubuntu | 02:12 |
| Vadi | That's a support channel, I was already there. | 02:12 |
| Vadi | I need a technical explanation, please. | 02:12 |
| ScottK2 | That doesn't make this a support channel, but in a console window do sudo apt-get autoremove and that'll get rid of it (assuming you aren't on Dapper). | 02:13 |
| Vadi | I did it, but that didn't work. | 02:13 |
| Vadi | It said everything was okay. | 02:13 |
| Vadi | But, oh well, whatev. I'll file a bug report | 02:14 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 02:16 | |
| RAOF | Howdie, Hobbsee! | 02:19 |
| === Traxer is now known as Traxer|off | ||
| === Traxer|off is now known as Traxer | ||
| Aloha | whats a sprint? | 04:11 |
| lifeless | its faster than a walk | 04:12 |
| lifeless | sorry ;) | 04:12 |
| Aloha | heh | 04:12 |
| lifeless | in general | 04:13 |
| lifeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint | 04:13 |
| lifeless | but in Ubuntu | 04:13 |
| lifeless | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackathon#Sprints | 04:13 |
| Aloha | lifeless, thanks :) | 04:13 |
| Aloha | lifeless, what gathering are ubuntu sprints centered on? | 04:16 |
| Aloha | oh ijust realized soyuz is russian for launchpad | 04:18 |
| AfterDeath | Aloha: in the general sense, a sprint is using a burst of energy to run as fast as possible (unlike normal running, where you would run at a pace that would allow you to keep running for a long time) | 04:22 |
| Aloha | AfterDeath, i know. i was wondering about software sprints. i used to run track | 04:22 |
| AfterDeath | ah | 04:22 |
| jdong | Aloha: sprint's an overpriced poor coverage north american cellphone provider :) | 04:29 |
| Aloha | jdong, i use AT&T ;) | 04:29 |
| superm1 | jdong, well the nextel side of things is overpriced at least, but my coverage is great | 04:29 |
| jdong | Aloha: I use AT&T too... it's great at my home in MI | 04:30 |
| jdong | Aloha: but here on the MIT campus, I can freaking use Skype to make calls from more places than I can use my cell | 04:30 |
| superm1 | jdong, you need to hack together some sort of mic for the touch and then port over an SIP app | 04:32 |
| superm1 | thats a much better project than what you mentioned in -motu the other day :) | 04:32 |
| jdong | superm1: well first I need to fix some.. er.. packaging issues.. with the MIT intro to EECS laptops :) | 04:33 |
| jdong | superm1: my predecessor went kinda metapackage-happy.... | 04:33 |
| superm1 | haha | 04:33 |
| jdong | and to make matters worse, several metapackages contain VITAL INIT SCRIPTS | 04:33 |
| jdong | :D | 04:34 |
| superm1 | running what distro? | 04:34 |
| jdong | superm1: Feisty :) | 04:34 |
| StevenK | !jdong | 04:34 |
| ubotu | <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK! | 04:34 |
| jdong | Ubuntu is well loved around here | 04:34 |
| superm1 | jdong, just ditch feisty and port it all to hardy? | 04:34 |
| jdong | the next version of the campus public workstation OS will be based on Ubuntu | 04:34 |
| jdong | superm1: wish I can, but we use a proprietary kernel module atm | 04:34 |
| StevenK | For what? | 04:35 |
| jdong | superm1: fortunately, we have one bright student working on reverse engineering that | 04:35 |
| jdong | StevenK: NIDAQ data acquisition box | 04:35 |
| superm1 | jdong, the module isn't available on newer kernels? | 04:35 |
| jdong | the thing hardlocks and/or panics the kernel when it isn't happy | 04:35 |
| StevenK | Nice | 04:35 |
| superm1 | jdong, to build against newer kernels that is | 04:35 |
| jdong | superm1: from what I understand, it can give RMS heart attacks from 3 floors down | 04:35 |
| jdong | :) | 04:35 |
| Aloha | jdong, that sucks. i don't have to worry about coverage too much. I live on an island | 04:35 |
| superm1 | haha | 04:35 |
| jdong | superm1: but yeah.... it is full of problems the least of which is we have to force-dep on the original released feisty kernel | 04:36 |
| jdong | (YES... it's a BINARY kernel module....) | 04:36 |
| superm1 | oh that's really unfortunate | 04:36 |
| jdong | there's no such thing as "compiling" 'round here :D | 04:36 |
| superm1 | you guys tried to contact NIDAQ? | 04:36 |
| jdong | once this rev enged one kicks off, I'm gonna be happy | 04:36 |
| jdong | superm1: I'm not sure, this is the first day I've been submersed into the inner world of the 6.01 course | 04:37 |
| superm1 | ah | 04:37 |
| jdong | superm1: last term I served as a lab assistant primarily answering student questions on lab assignments and python code | 04:37 |
| jdong | this term.... I'm kinda managing all the course laptops and stuff too | 04:37 |
| superm1 | jdong, but for the machiens that don't end up needing support for the data acquisition box, they could go to a newer release could they not? | 04:38 |
| jdong | superm1: well they all will by the 4th week of labs | 04:38 |
| jdong | superm1: as I said, upgrading Ubuntu is one of the smaller concerns | 04:38 |
| jdong | right now, there's 4 padlocked RHEL lab workstations that are hardlocked | 04:38 |
| jdong | the datestamp on one of them is 2000 | 04:38 |
| jdong | apparently it's padlocked so well nobody knows how to get in :D | 04:39 |
| jdong | overall though it's a finely run class. Just shows how fun technology can be at times :D | 04:39 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 06:49 |
| ion_ | Hi | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | morning pitti! | 06:54 |
| pitti | hey Hobbsee, hi ion_1 | 06:54 |
| slytherin | Hi all, we have latest kernel in repos linux-image-2.6.24-7-generic but linux-image-generic still depends on linux-image-2.6.24-5-generic. Is this a known issue? The reason I am asking is that the latest kernel fixes ibook boot issue on hardy but it won't be installed in standard upgrade. | 07:29 |
| Hobbsee | slytherin: normal for a while, until each image has been out for a bit | 07:30 |
| Hobbsee | slytherin: has linux-image-* built on all arches yet? | 07:30 |
| Hobbsee | slytherin: and has l-r-m and l-u-m built on all arches yet? | 07:31 |
| slytherin | Hobbsee: let me check | 07:31 |
| mjg59 | slytherin: linux-ubuntu-modules isn't built yet, I believe | 07:31 |
| pitti | no, lum and lrm weren't uploaded yet | 07:32 |
| slytherin | Hobbsee: hppa build for linux-image has failed, ia64 is currently building. | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | slytherin: the above 2 conditions are why, then | 07:32 |
| slytherin | Thanks for info | 07:32 |
| slytherin | I am also eager to check if the new driver manager handles broadcom 43xx devices because there is now a new driver. | 07:33 |
| pitti | slytherin: not yet, but I think I'll manage to add one for b43 in the next week | 07:46 |
| pitti | slytherin: can I ping you once it's ready, for testing? | 07:46 |
| pitti | slytherin: would be great if someone could test it before I upload it | 07:47 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Add me to that list also. I've a mini here iwth a b43 I think it is, so I'd be happy to help with testing also. | 07:48 |
| pitti | cool | 07:48 |
| TheMuso | Yeah, a BCM4306 | 07:49 |
| pitti | TheMuso, slytherin: I don't know anything about b43 and b43-fwcutter; from a clean install, is it enough to install b43-fwcutter and it does the rest? if not, which steps are necessary in addition | 07:50 |
| TheMuso | pitti: All I need do after an install, is install fwcutter, and I think, it works from there. | 07:50 |
| pitti | ok, great | 07:51 |
| pitti | that should be easy enough, then I just need the detection | 07:51 |
| pitti | TheMuso: do you have the current jockey installed? | 07:51 |
| TheMuso | pitti: I plan on doing a fresh install in the next few days, so will try the procedure again. If its any different, I'll ping you. | 07:52 |
| pitti | TheMuso: can you please do "jockey-gtk --debug --list >/tmp/jockey.log 2>&1" | 07:52 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Just updating the box now.. | 07:52 |
| pitti | TheMuso: and send me /tmp/jockey.log? that should help me to verify the current detection | 07:52 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Will do. | 07:53 |
| pitti | awesome, thanks | 07:53 |
| TheMuso | As soon as the mini update. | 07:53 |
| TheMuso | updates | 07:53 |
| * TheMuso gets dinner while waiting... | 07:54 | |
| slytherin | pitti: I will be happy to test. It is jut that I am not sure if the firmware needed with new driver is same as the old driver. Also the old driver is now blacklisted in favour of new one. I will do some manual installation over weekend needed to make the wireless work with latest kernel and then let you know. | 08:08 |
| pitti | slytherin: great, thanks; maybe you can do the same --debug --list command that I asked above? | 08:14 |
| pitti | slytherin: the handler will just detect if you have a broadcom wifi, and if so, install b43-fwcutter | 08:14 |
| pitti | slytherin: if you need anything in addition, please tell me, so that the jockey handler can do it automatically | 08:14 |
| slytherin | pitti: will do but I will have to wait for the kernel upgrade, right? because current kernel does not boot. | 08:15 |
| pitti | oh :) | 08:15 |
| * Hobbsee sighs at her connectino | 08:16 | |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:16 |
| slytherin | pitti: this is specific to ibook only. related to some old ide drivers. By the way, bcm43xx-fwcutter is in universe. Shouldn't it really be in main and included in CD? because how are you supposed to install it if your connection is not working. | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | morning dholbach | 08:18 |
| dholbach | hey Hobbsee | 08:18 |
| pitti | slytherin: if it's not working, then it's useless anyway, because it needs to fetch the firmware from the net | 08:21 |
| slytherin | pitti: You can have firmware saved locally. At least 'Restricted Manager' allowed using a local .so file. | 08:22 |
| pitti | MacSlow: introducing ubuntu specific strings in patches is ok, as long as the package updates the POT during build | 08:23 |
| pitti | MacSlow: if the package uses cdbs and gnome.mk, this will happen automatically | 08:23 |
| pitti | slytherin: hm, true | 08:24 |
| MacSlow | pitti, the packages in question are libwnck and gnome-panel | 08:24 |
| pitti | MacSlow: if not, you have to call intltool-update -p | 08:24 |
| MacSlow | pitti, that one I know | 08:24 |
| pitti | MacSlow: ah, both use cdbs, and gnome.mk I suppose | 08:24 |
| pitti | MacSlow: so, just patch the strings, and the POT and LP translations will automatically get them | 08:25 |
| pitti | so that people can start translating them in LP | 08:25 |
| MacSlow | pitti, for testing I've provided my own translation for de | 08:26 |
| pitti | MacSlow: you can add your new translations as a patch, but IMHO it's easier to maintain if you just translate them in LP | 08:26 |
| iiPing | lo | 08:26 |
| stgraber | moin | 08:27 |
| pitti | hi stgraber | 08:27 |
| MacSlow | pitti, well since I cannot add anything to LP myself (in an official packages) I've to wait for seb128/mvo/you to sponsor/integrate my stuff | 08:27 |
| iiPing | people i bump a lot, where can i find the ubuntu-app-developer for ubuntu channel? | 08:28 |
| MacSlow | greetings carlos | 08:28 |
| carlos | MacSlow: hi | 08:28 |
| pitti | MacSlow: not? you should become a member of the German translation team then | 08:29 |
| pitti | hey carlos | 08:29 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: Actually, I haven't been able to boot recent 2.6.24 kernels on my mini either. | 08:33 |
| TheMuso | As the mini has notebook components, I'd say they both use the same IDE chip. | 08:33 |
| pitti | TheMuso, slytherin: FYI, I created the first version of the b43 handler, which should work at least in general; I'll do the testing/fine-tuning together with you later | 08:36 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Sure. | 08:38 |
| TheMuso | pitti: You should have mail from me sometime soon. | 08:49 |
| pitti | \o/ | 08:52 |
| pitti | brb, testing new udev | 08:52 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Actually, discard that. Seems the bcm43xx module wasn't loaded for some reason. | 08:56 |
| slytherin | TheMuso: it is blacklisted in favour of new driver. check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist | 08:57 |
| slytherin | TheMuso: and the not booting problem is fixed in latest kernel uploads. | 08:57 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: Yeah I'm using 7.11. | 08:57 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: Is the newer driver in lum? | 08:57 |
| slytherin | TheMuso: the driver is in kernel itself. But I am not sure which firmware it needs. Check dmesg, it should have some message related to b43 firmware | 08:59 |
| mjg59 | b43 needs revision 4 firmware. b43legacy needs revision 3. | 08:59 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: Whats the module name | 08:59 |
| mjg59 | bcm43xx uses revision 3 | 08:59 |
| MacSlow | seb128, greetings | 08:59 |
| seb128 | hi MacSlow | 09:00 |
| slytherin | and I guess b43 will need b43-fwcutter instead of old bcm43xx-fwcutter | 09:00 |
| mjg59 | The issue isn't the application | 09:00 |
| mjg59 | bcm43xx-fwcutter can extract version 4 firmware | 09:00 |
| mjg59 | But you need different firmware for b43 and b43legacy, and we need to support both | 09:01 |
| mjg59 | b43 can't drive everything bcm43xx can | 09:01 |
| TheMuso | ah I see | 09:01 |
| mjg59 | It's made even more difficult by the latest hardware needing even newer firmware | 09:02 |
| slytherin | damn, I thought bcm43xx chipsets are not used anymore. | 09:03 |
| slytherin | TheMuso: by the way, the module names are b43 and b43legacy. But I am not sure which one handles which chipset | 09:04 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: Yeah I worked it out. | 09:05 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Oh ok, the one I sent you is the right one. | 09:06 |
| mjg59 | b43legacy handles old cores. b43 handles new cores. You can't tell from the PCI ID alone. | 09:07 |
| TheMuso | Well on my mini, b43 gets loaded, and there is no firmware change needed. | 09:09 |
| Iulian | Good morning. | 09:10 |
| slytherin | mjg59: then how can one decide which to use if not from PCI ID? Or do we trust the autodetection? | 09:12 |
| mjg59 | Does it use the ssb bus implementation yet? | 09:14 |
| MacSlow | *sigh* | 09:18 |
| StevenK | MacSlow! | 09:21 |
| MacSlow | can someone tell me what's wrong with the way I created http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/02_expose_wm_keybindings.patch, which not apply to libwnck-2.21.90 when doing dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? | 09:21 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Can you pastebin the error you get? | 09:21 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: It also doesn't patch configure | 09:22 |
| MacSlow | isn't configure always generated when one starts a package-build? | 09:23 |
| mjg59 | No | 09:23 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Not always, depends on the package | 09:23 |
| === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson | ||
| cjwatson | pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4282/ | 09:30 |
| cjwatson | pitti: output of jockey-gtk --debug --list for me; no mention of b43, weirdly | 09:30 |
| cjwatson | MacSlow: configure is in fact usually *not* detected to avoid build-depending on autoconf et al | 09:31 |
| pitti | cjwatson: right, no ssb: modaliases, hmm | 09:31 |
| cjwatson | which sometimes causes problems - generally regarded as better to have the maintainer generate that locally and verify that it's correct | 09:31 |
| cjwatson | MacSlow: s/detected/generated/ | 09:31 |
| MacSlow | StevenK, pitti, cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55063 | 09:31 |
| pitti | cjwatson: does the b43 module get autoloaded for you? or did you stuff it to /etc/modules? | 09:32 |
| MacSlow | StevenK, pitti, cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55063 | 09:32 |
| cjwatson | pitti: gets autoloaded, along with bcm43xx | 09:32 |
| MacSlow | I created the patch for libwnck like this | 09:32 |
| asac | calc: any info on ooo + xul yet? | 09:32 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I had to blacklist bcm43xx to avoid problems | 09:32 |
| pitti | cjwatson: right, bcm43xx is blacklisted by default now | 09:32 |
| asac | cjwatson: i think latest update blacklisted it | 09:33 |
| asac | ack | 09:33 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: My log didn't have b43 either | 09:33 |
| cjwatson | MacSlow: there should be a log somewhere with the output of patch | 09:33 |
| pitti | hm, so I wonder how b43 can autoload if /sys does not have the corresponding modalias | 09:33 |
| cjwatson | MacSlow: it may be that you didn't generate it against the immediate parent patch, and collided | 09:33 |
| pitti | MacSlow: unpack the source to a fresh and clean directory, cdbs-edit-patch 02_expose_wm_keybindings.patch, resolve the conflicts | 09:34 |
| TheMuso | pitti, cjwatson, my ifconfig -a also gives this: http://www.pastebin.ca/894827 | 09:35 |
| TheMuso | This is with b43 autoloaded. | 09:35 |
| mjg59 | b43 doesn't use PCI modaliases | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | It uses ssb ones | 09:36 |
| MacSlow | cjwatson, I guess you mean these http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/02_expose_wm_keybindings.patch.level-0.log http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/02_expose_wm_keybindings.patch.level-1.log http://people.ubuntu.com/~mmueller/02_expose_wm_keybindings.patch.level-2.log | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | ssb has the PCI modalias | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | Broadcom uses a bus called ssb - depending on what sort of host bus you have, the ssb bus will be bridged onto that | 09:36 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Yeah, that's them. | 09:36 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: You probably have them locally now, too. :-) | 09:37 |
| cjwatson | pitti: /sys/bus/ssb/devices/ssb0:0 is my Broadcom card, though | 09:37 |
| mjg59 | The PCI device is just a PCI to ssb bridge | 09:37 |
| MacSlow | StevenK, of course | 09:37 |
| mjg59 | So ssb gets autoloaded, and then generates modalias events for the Broadcom cores | 09:37 |
| MacSlow | StevenK, still I don't understand why that fails | 09:37 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Does that explain things? | 09:38 |
| MacSlow | I did use cdbs and created the paches as always | 09:38 |
| StevenK | mjg59: What does ssb expand out to? Wikipedia failed me. | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | Silicon Sonics Backplane | 09:38 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Because the patch doesn't apply for some reason. | 09:38 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Mine is /sys/bus/ssb/devices/ssb0:0 | 09:38 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Either too much fuzz, or failed hunks | 09:38 |
| cjwatson | mjg59: ssb doesn't seem to expose modalias files in /sys | 09:39 |
| cjwatson | which is what jockey is looking for | 09:39 |
| mjg59 | cjwatson: That's potentially the case | 09:39 |
| mjg59 | I'm in San Francisco right now, so I don't have access to a Broadcom right now | 09:39 |
| cjwatson | MacSlow: level-1 is the relevant one; three failed hunks for some reason | 09:39 |
| pitti | TheMuso: wlan0_rename> udev bug, I filed it a while back | 09:39 |
| MacSlow | it drives me nuts when additional levels of "infrastructure" suddenly make my created patches not apply anymore | 09:40 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: But it just runs patch ... | 09:40 |
| pitti | mjg59: yes, thanks; I just need to find a way how to grab it out of /sys then | 09:40 |
| TheMuso | pitti: ah ok. My mini is on ethernet, and I never use wireless on it, so thats alright for now. | 09:41 |
| pitti | TheMuso: can you tar up your /sys and send it to me? | 09:42 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Can do. | 09:42 |
| pitti | TheMuso: if I cannot rely on moaliases, I need to find a b43 specific way of autodetection | 09:42 |
| pitti | TheMuso: thanks muchly | 09:42 |
| pitti | TheMuso: I'll do "moalias present" || "b43 ssb custom detection" then | 09:42 |
| mjg59 | pitti: The b43 and b43legacy modules do, at least, have the revisions they each support in them | 09:42 |
| MacSlow | e.g. just running: patch -p1 <../02_expose_wm_keybindings.patch (while in a freshly grabbed libwnck-2.21.90 works flawless) | 09:43 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Ah ha. Then the first patch affects it | 09:43 |
| pitti | mjg59: right; I hope I can pick out the vendor/product/revision IDs somewhere from /sys and compare it against the modalias lines from modinfo b43 | 09:43 |
| slytherin | pitti: in my case b43 got loaded automatically and dmesg had a message that it needs firmware. That is on ibook G4. But I don't have access to the machine right now so can not give more info. | 09:43 |
| slytherin | pitti: I will be able to help on weekend though. | 09:44 |
| MacSlow | StevenK, but I started cdbs with the first patch as parameter | 09:44 |
| pitti | slytherin: thanks; if all goes well, I'll already have a handler to test for you | 09:44 |
| * mjg59 sighs at the kernel | 09:44 | |
| MacSlow | even then it applied in the cdbs-session | 09:44 |
| mjg59 | It's being mean :((( | 09:44 |
| StevenK | MacSlow: Wierd. I'd follow pitti's suggestion of using cdbs-edit-patch | 09:44 |
| StevenK | mjg59: Show me on the doll where the nasty kernel touched you | 09:45 |
| pitti | mjg59: (BTW, jockey does not only look for pci modaliases) | 09:45 |
| * StevenK hides | 09:45 | |
| mjg59 | pitti: Sweet | 09:45 |
| pitti | . o O { and I thought that modalias paradigm would be a reliable standard nowadays... } | 09:46 |
| mjg59 | pitti: If ssb isn't exposing the modaliases in sysfs (it's certainly generating the uevents) then it probably needs fixing | 09:46 |
| TheMuso | pitti: on its way | 09:47 |
| TheMuso | brb | 09:47 |
| pitti | TheMuso: cheers | 09:47 |
| StevenK | pitti: Could I impose on you to process bug #189797? | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | bug #189797 | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | ubotu: ping | 09:51 |
| ubotu | ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore | 09:51 |
| pitti | *chuckle* | 09:51 |
| StevenK | Hah | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | oh, LP is timing out | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | ubotu: go back to parking cars! | 09:52 |
| pitti | StevenK: synced | 09:52 |
| Hobbsee | [20:52] <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 09:52 |
| StevenK | pitti: Thanks! | 09:53 |
| StevenK | pitti: Can I bug you to let it out of binary NEW after it builds? :-) | 09:54 |
| pitti | please bug me, yes | 09:54 |
| * StevenK pastes that quote on the front page of wiki.ubuntu.com | 09:54 | |
| StevenK | :-P | 09:54 |
| MacSlow | f**king crap! | 09:58 |
| MacSlow | I did cdbs-edit-patch 01_workspaces_default_name.patch | 09:59 |
| MacSlow | applied the patches to the .new-variant | 09:59 |
| MacSlow | from that created the new patch-diff between .new and the origianal | 10:00 |
| MacSlow | then I tried to apply the resulting patch against a fresh grab of libwnck-2.21.90 I also did cdbs-edit-patch 01_workspaces_default_name.patch for | 10:01 |
| MacSlow | failed again | 10:01 |
| TheMuso | pitti: I hope you can find something in there thats useful. | 10:01 |
| soren | Could an archive team member please take a look at netcat-openbsd? Pretty please? | 10:02 |
| pitti | TheMuso: aaah | 10:04 |
| pitti | TheMuso: $ cat ./devices/pci0001:10/0001:10:12.0/ssb0:1/uevent | 10:04 |
| pitti | MODALIAS=ssb:v4243id0807rev02 | 10:04 |
| pitti | TheMuso: did you tar this up as root or as user? and with -p? | 10:05 |
| TheMuso | pitti: as user, without -p. I can do it again... | 10:05 |
| pitti | TheMuso: as user is great | 10:05 |
| pitti | TheMuso: can you please check the permissions of /sys/devices/pci0001:10/0001:10:12.0/ssb0:1/uevent on your system? | 10:05 |
| TheMuso | pitti: -rw-r--r-- | 10:06 |
| pitti | cool | 10:06 |
| TheMuso | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4096 2008-02-07 20:03 | 10:06 |
| pitti | mjg59: does it sound like a good idea to consider 'uevent' files which have a MODALIAS= line instead of/in addition to looking at 'modalias' files in /sys/devices ? | 10:09 |
| ion_ | dholbach: D’oh, i knew i forgot something. Thanks. :-) (Re: the missing (LP: #...) in the changelog) | 10:09 |
| mjg59 | pitti: Erm. Can we guarantee that the uevent will only be the modalias? | 10:09 |
| dholbach | ion_: no problem | 10:09 |
| mjg59 | Devices can generate arbitrary uevents? | 10:09 |
| pitti | $ find /sys/devices -name uevent|xargs grep MODALIAS|wc -l | 10:10 |
| pitti | 93 | 10:10 |
| pitti | $ find /sys/devices -name modalias|wc -l | 10:10 |
| pitti | 93 | 10:10 |
| pitti | doesn't seem to make a differnence on my box | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | I haven't checked the defined smeantics | 10:10 |
| pitti | TheMuso: I take it above commands deliver more results for the udevent line on your system? | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | But if it's guaranteed to always provide the modalias, then sure, just check that | 10:10 |
| pitti | mjg59: well, to save a lot of file i/o I could probably just do it for the b43 module | 10:11 |
| pitti | the other things we support (nvidia, fglrx et al) don't seem to need it | 10:11 |
| pitti | or, generally just for stuff below /sys/devices/.../ssb*/... | 10:12 |
| pitti | (that seems like the best option to me) | 10:14 |
| hubuntu | hello guys.. Wil network manager 0.7 be included in hardy? to coupe with netman 0.65 for an LTS release is probably not the best idea? | 10:26 |
| hubuntu | fedora 8 has it already and its rocking.... Will netman 0.7 make it before the feature freeze? | 10:27 |
| cjwatson | hubuntu: at present it's unlikely since the rewrite doesn't look like it'll be in good enough shape for us by feature freeze | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | although the decision is not final | 10:31 |
| cjwatson | hubuntu: LTS is not, in general, an argument for switching to new versions of software that are a complete rewrite and are still as yet rather lightly tested | 10:32 |
| hubuntu | then it will probably end in backports? I | 10:32 |
| soren | Quite the contrary, really. | 10:32 |
| cjwatson | backports obviously has a much less strict policy | 10:33 |
| hubuntu | I know, I'm just all excited about 0.7 and been waiting for a long time for its inclusion... Will the gnome-obex-vfs be included by default? Phones and ubuntu work perfectly now with it, shouldn't it probably be included by default? | 10:34 |
| hubuntu | it's just a shame that the bluetooth applet is there with the option to browse the phone and it just doesn't work out-of-the-box and has to be installed manually... | 10:36 |
| seb128 | hubuntu: obex has not been ported to gvfs yet so it doesn't work at all in hardy | 10:36 |
| hubuntu | cjwatson: yeah, but backports are not supported... | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | that's correct | 10:38 |
| hubuntu | seb128: so we are going for gvfs and drop bluetooth support? Anyone thinking about blueman as an option? I do not know if it supports gvfs but it sure works better than anything else i have tried... | 10:38 |
| hubuntu | ok then hardy+1 will be the one to fiunally bring VPN to the masses :) | 10:39 |
| seb128 | hubuntu: dunno about bluetooth | 10:39 |
| slytherin | hubuntu: For bluetooth work you should probably keep a watch on this blog, http://www.hadess.net/ :-) | 10:45 |
| asac | hubuntu: are you using my nm 0.7 packages from ppa? | 10:47 |
| hubuntu | I have been giving it a try and things seem to work fine with several pcmcia cards | 10:47 |
| hubuntu | d-link and netgear cards.. some with restricted drivers other with atheros and one with some open driver i don'æt remember | 10:48 |
| hubuntu | wpa enterprise wortk like a dream | 10:48 |
| hubuntu | ;) | 10:48 |
| asac | hubuntu: do you have fedora? | 10:48 |
| hubuntu | no | 10:48 |
| hubuntu | well I've seen it | 10:48 |
| hubuntu | and tried it a bit | 10:49 |
| asac | ok ... would be curios to know if we lack some features compared to their release | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | ah yes, i need to try out the mangler again | 10:50 |
| hubuntu | I am justthere was an update i haven't checked on fedora 8: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/networkmanager-enterprise-encryption-eduroam-style-works-again/ | 10:53 |
| hubuntu | good work with those packages asac :) Netman really is the new Chuck Norris and you are the ubuntu Chuck Norris ;) | 10:58 |
| hubuntu | that is logic, right? | 10:58 |
| asac | lol | 10:58 |
| slytherin | asac: which PPA has latest network manager? | 11:01 |
| hubuntu | well it seems bluetooth got even better with gvfs :) - gnome-obex-send is dead, long live bluetooth-sendto. @ http://hadess.net gives me peace of mind | 11:01 |
| hubuntu | his | 11:01 |
| asac | slytherin: ~asac | 11:01 |
| asac | slytherin: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive | 11:01 |
| slytherin | asac: oops I forgot, PPA doesn't yet support powerpc arch right? | 11:02 |
| hubuntu | jo'er.. | 11:02 |
| asac | slytherin: nope ... you need libnl + wpasupplicant + nm + nm-applet iirc | 11:06 |
| slytherin | asac: that means I will first have to set the pbuilder on my ibook and then build these packages. | 11:07 |
| Hobbsee | asac: is it safe just to add the repo, or? | 11:07 |
| hubuntu | asac you should follow this guy closely: http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/ But i guess that's old news for you... | 11:11 |
| hubuntu | thanks for all your help :) | 11:11 |
| asac | Hobbsee: for now you need to look what packages i have in there. I will use the ppa of ~network-manager team in future. | 11:11 |
| Hobbsee | asac: right. when will that change over? | 11:12 |
| asac | Hobbsee: next time i upload a nm to ppa. not ETA yet | 11:13 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 11:13 |
| pitti | thekorn: current p-lp-bugs uses any() and thus crashes on python 2.4 | 11:20 |
| pitti | thekorn: would you mind if that was rewritten to be 2.4 compatible or shall we just hack it locally? | 11:20 |
| pitti | thekorn: I just manually added a definition for any() to commentsbase.py now :) | 11:22 |
| YokoZar | Is "Switch Page Direction" still on the right click menu for Hardy FireFox? | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | doesn't look like it | 11:39 |
| TheMuso | pitti: Sorry, been on the phone. I'll run sed commands and give you the results. | 11:50 |
| pitti | TheMuso: thanks | 11:50 |
| TheMuso | pitti: 53 for the first find command, and 51 for the second. | 11:51 |
| pitti | TheMuso: ok, then you have two which are undetected by scanning for modalias; I guess those are the two ssb ones | 11:51 |
| pitti | TheMuso: when I'm done with wrestling with GTK, I'll tackle this to fix it generally in jockey | 11:52 |
| TheMuso | pitti: No rush, I'm about to go to bed anyway, so feel free to email/leave an IRC message if further testing/commands are neded. | 11:52 |
| pitti | TheMuso: I'll put your /sys layout of the ssb devices into the test suite | 11:52 |
| pitti | TheMuso: I will, thanks (or ask slytherin) | 11:53 |
| calc | asac: been working on apt/dpkg backporting | 11:59 |
| asac | calc: ok, today? | 12:01 |
| calc | asac: i'll try to get to it today, i'm still working on the backports but will get on the xulrunner stuff once they are done | 12:04 |
| asac | backports? | 12:04 |
| calc | asac: i'm having to backport apt/dpkg lzma patches (once i find them all) to dapper and edgy for the buildds/servers | 12:04 |
| * calc is going back to sleep now, his son had woken him up :-\ | 12:05 | |
| asac | calc: ok. sleep well | 12:06 |
| thekorn | pitti: py-lp-bugs is supposed to work under py2.4, so I will remove this 'any'/'all' statements | 12:07 |
| pitti | thekorn: ah, danke | 12:07 |
| thekorn | gerne | 12:08 |
| * torkel hugs pitti for finally fixing #148003 | 12:14 | |
| pitti | \o/ | 12:14 |
| Ng | win 141 | 12:15 |
| pitti | Ng: >= 141 channels? wow, that's what I call a busy IRC client :) | 12:16 |
| Ng | pitti: or a lazy irc operator. once I get past 19 windows and can't use the alt key anymore, it becomes irrelevant how many there are, so I just don't bother closing them ;) | 12:17 |
| pitti | Ng: heh, that's why I try to keep them <= 10 | 12:19 |
| ion_ | I use query autoclose. | 12:20 |
| StevenK | pitti: With irssi you can use alt + q w e .... for above ten | 12:23 |
| pitti | ah, neat | 12:23 |
| Amaranth | ooh | 12:23 |
| StevenK | Heh | 12:23 |
| * Hobbsee likes alt+a | 12:23 | |
| pitti | alt+a is what I use for these, too | 12:24 |
| pitti | since I already put commands on alt+letter | 12:24 |
| * mjj29 has bound all the letters and numbers to channels | 12:24 | |
| ion_ | I had all the letters bound to window change back in the day. Nowadays i try to limit the amount of channels. :-) | 12:24 |
| mjj29 | and alt-` for active-window | 12:24 |
| ion_ | I have tab bound to active window. | 12:24 |
| mjj29 | ion_: just tab? | 12:24 |
| ion_ | Yep | 12:24 |
| mjj29 | what about tab-completion | 12:25 |
| ion_ | I don’t find it useful on IRC. In shell, it is really useful. | 12:25 |
| ion_ | (At least when you have a shell where you can type /u/s/d/compi/RE and get to /usr/share/doc/compiz-core/README with a small amount of keypreses) | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | ion_: it's useful for nick-completion, I find. I've pondered binding it to word-completion too, but suspect I'd develop zshenia in my irc client too. | 12:28 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: is this a problem? | 12:29 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: it wears out my tab key. | 12:30 |
| StevenK | zsh users only need Tab and Enter anyway | 12:30 |
| Mithrandir | on the other hand, I should be able to just bind all keys on my keyboard to tab and make do with that. | 12:30 |
| ion_ | Nicks are typically short, and i prefer to talk to somedude instead of _someDUDE77^ no matter which nick he chooses to use. Also, every so often you complete to the wrong nick and only notice it after hitting enter. :-) | 12:30 |
| * StevenK high fives Mithrandir | 12:30 | |
| Mithrandir | ion_: I'm lazy. :-P | 12:30 |
| Mithrandir | and people suck at speling Mithrandir | 12:31 |
| StevenK | pitti: fbreader hasn't built on ia64, if you can cope with that, could you let it out of binary NEW? | 12:31 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: and in the event of that, you then bind the tab function to your capslock. problem solved. | 12:33 |
| pitti | StevenK: done | 12:34 |
| ion_ | My caps lock is control, but i’ve been considering making it an escape instead. :-) | 12:34 |
| Mithrandir | mine's compose. | 12:34 |
| ion_ | My right hand Windows® key is compose. | 12:35 |
| Mithrandir | laptop doesn't have a windows key, so. :-) | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | mine does. you need a bigger laptop | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | or to bind it to right alt or something. | 12:36 |
| Keybuk | my caps lock key is CAPS LOCK | 12:36 |
| Mithrandir | I use right alt for random things. | 12:36 |
| * Hobbsee used to bind things to insert, long ago. | 12:36 | |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: yes, but you're boring :P | 12:36 |
| ion_ | I use the right alt mostly for “, ” and –. | 12:37 |
| Keybuk | about the only useless key on the keyboard for me is "Pause/Break" | 12:37 |
| pitti | and the menu key for me; I have never used it | 12:38 |
| * ion_ just noticed his “Logitech” key opens a calculator. :-) | 12:38 | |
| ion_ | An idea: make it open irb in a terminal! | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | I have a calculator key on my desktop keyboard. | 12:39 |
| Mithrandir | and a house key. And one with a letter (as in, what you put in a mailbox) on it. | 12:39 |
| Amaranth | I have a calculator key on my laptop | 12:40 |
| charles_ | "By pressing down a special key It plays a little melody" | 12:40 |
| Amaranth | It's handy, even enables numlock for me | 12:40 |
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| pitti | TheMuso, cjwatson: if you have a moment, could you please try running http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/detect-test.py and pastebin the output for me? it's the /sys walking ripped out of jockey, now with SSB support | 13:12 |
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| pitti | it passes my test suite with TheMuso's /sys layout, but I'd like to test it on real hw first | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4287/ | 13:15 |
| pitti | cjwatson: rocking' that works; it even detects that the module b43 is linked to it | 13:16 |
| pitti | cjwatson: thanks! | 13:16 |
| cjwatson | np | 13:16 |
| tbf | glatzor: since you packaged policykit for gutsy... do i have to take some special actions, before i can use policykit? | 13:30 |
| tbf | glatzor: currently there seems to be no 'org.freedesktop.PolicyKit.AuthenticationAgent' service on the session bus | 13:30 |
| glatzor | tbf: I only backported them from debian experimental some monthes ago | 13:32 |
| tbf | glatzor: hmm. ok. | 13:32 |
| glatzor | tbf: sorry, but I haven't looked at them for a time. | 13:32 |
| tbf | thanks | 13:32 |
| ScottK | pitti: I was wondering if there was any chance of MIR processing today? I still have faint hopes of integrating amavisd-new in the mail server tasksel before feature freeze... | 13:50 |
| pitti | yeah, that was my plan; I'll start after the team meeting | 13:55 |
| pitti | ScottK: doko wanted to process some today, too | 13:55 |
| ScottK | Thanks. He seemed skeptical about amavisd-new. I'd rather you looked at it. ;-) | 13:56 |
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| emgent | heya | 14:42 |
| pygi | siretart, poke | 14:46 |
| pitti | cprov, mvo: hm, the symlink should have been mirrored by now, but it's still not on a.u.c. | 15:04 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, I will mail elmo then | 15:05 |
| pitti | I guess symlinks pointing outside of /ubuntu don't work | 15:05 |
| pitti | so I'll do a copy instead | 15:05 |
| mvo | pitti: he mentioned that the mirror script used may not pick it up | 15:05 |
| pitti | ah | 15:05 |
| pitti | mvo: ok, please do that first then | 15:05 |
| mvo | pitti: I will and will CC you | 15:05 |
| * pitti hugs mvo | 15:05 | |
| * mvo hugs pitti | 15:08 | |
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| dholbach | superm1: does this look interesting to you: http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2008/02/07/gnome-lirc-properties-a-gui-to-configure-infra-red-remote-controls/ ? | 15:27 |
| superm1 | dholbach, yeah it looks quite interesting. It obviously won't take advantage of the patch that I'v got locally (upstream hasn't accepted it yet) for "include" files in lircd.conf | 15:50 |
| dholbach | superm1: ah nice | 15:50 |
| superm1 | but that is going the right direction, and fairly similar to what upstream eventually had in mind | 15:51 |
| superm1 | dholbach, hopefully next cycle that person authoring that gets in contact with us and we can work together on making it fit well | 15:52 |
| dholbach | superm1: that sounds awesome | 15:52 |
| tseliot | superm1: did you read my email? | 15:57 |
| tseliot | dholbach: hi | 15:57 |
| dholbach | hi tseliot | 15:58 |
| superm1 | tseliot, should I be reading someone else's mail :)? | 16:11 |
| superm1 | tseliot, ah yeah you were thrown in a different filter | 16:12 |
| superm1 | that's why I didn't see it | 16:12 |
| tseliot | ok | 16:12 |
| superm1 | tseliot, that is with the latest public release? | 16:12 |
| superm1 | or with something else? | 16:12 |
| tseliot | yep | 16:12 |
| tseliot | and I also tried the tarball from phoro git | 16:13 |
| superm1 | tseliot, you're on list - can you please try with a testing release? | 16:13 |
| tseliot | ok | 16:13 |
| superm1 | there has been a significant amount of changes to the packaging scripts between last month and the next upcoming one | 16:13 |
| tseliot | I need to get Envy to work with it on Hardy | 16:14 |
| superm1 | right | 16:14 |
| superm1 | well that exact issue cropped up before due to the way that dh_shlibs was handling things | 16:14 |
| superm1 | and it should have been corrected within the last couple of weeks | 16:15 |
| tseliot | I'm downloading the latest test release right now | 16:15 |
| tseliot | superm1: let's chat in private | 16:17 |
| superm1 | okay | 16:17 |
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| Catachan | Hello, would this be the proper channel to ask abou how to change the color of the screen that pops up between logging in, and the actual Desktop? | 16:23 |
| sistpoty|work | Catachan: #ubuntu | 16:25 |
| Catachan | okay | 16:25 |
| Catachan | thank you | 16:25 |
| sistpoty|work | np | 16:25 |
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| pitti | doko: looking at amavisd MIR now | 16:42 |
| doko | soren: could you have a look at kvm building with gcc-4.2? | 16:46 |
| soren | doko: I'm realiably informed it won't work. | 16:47 |
| soren | doko: Well, on i386, anyway. | 16:47 |
| doko | soren: there are patches floating around, iiuc | 16:48 |
| pitti | ScottK: just replied to bug 183418; would you mind doing the upload soon, so that we can actually promote it? | 16:48 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 183418 in amavisd-new "MIR for amavisd-new" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183418 | 16:48 |
| ScottK | pitti: Will do. Thanks for the advice. | 16:49 |
| ScottK | pitti: I'll upload it in the next 24 hours. Up to my eyeballs in $WORK today. | 16:49 |
| doko | pitti: looking at the pam/radius MIRs | 16:50 |
| soren | doko: Only bad ones. | 16:53 |
| soren | doko: Although.. | 16:53 |
| tgelter | hey all, is it currently possible to use the nvidia driver with hardy? | 16:53 |
| tgelter | I encounter errors when I try to install nvidia-glx-new. I also am unable to load the nvidia kernel module after a successful install of the driver straight from nvidia | 16:53 |
| soren | doko: Fabrice (the qemu guy) wrote a new code generator that should alleviate the need for gcc-3.x. It's x86 only, so far, but that's all kvm should worry about. | 16:54 |
| tgelter | oh, in relation to my comment about nvidia, I'm running x86_64 hardy | 16:54 |
| soren | doko: I can check next week. This week is completely booked. | 16:54 |
| doko | soren: thanks! | 16:54 |
| soren | doko: er.. When was gcc-3.4 demoted to universe? | 16:56 |
| soren | doko: That's a *Very* recent change, isn't it? | 16:57 |
| doko | soren: no, was done at the sprint | 16:57 |
| soren | doko: That counts as very recent in my book. :) | 16:57 |
| * soren grumbles a bit | 16:57 | |
| soren | I mentioned kvm needing it on several occasions. | 16:58 |
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| pitti | tgelter: that's the same setup that I run here, and n-glx-new works fine for me | 17:07 |
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| tgelter | pitti: brb and then I'll have a question for you | 17:12 |
| tgelter | pitti: pastebin.com/m34edd00 | 17:28 |
| pitti | tgelter: ah, that indeed does look like a packaging bug; tjaalton? | 17:29 |
| tgelter | pitti: note that I upgraded from gutsy, this wasn't a fresh install | 17:31 |
| pitti | right, or that | 17:31 |
| tgelter | so what're my options? | 17:32 |
| pitti | tgelter: can you please file a bug against linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24, including this output? | 17:32 |
| tgelter | sure thing | 17:33 |
| tgelter | wouldn't this indicate a problem with nvidia-kernel-common rather than linux-restricted-modules? | 17:35 |
| pitti | tgelter: oh, sorry, indeed; it's a separate source | 17:36 |
| tgelter | is there anything to explain why I can't load the nvidia kernel module after installing with the binary installer from nvidia? | 17:39 |
| tgelter | is there a particular log I should be checking to see if modprobe is returning any errors? | 17:39 |
| tgelter | ah, looks like someone else already created that bug report | 17:41 |
| zul | pitti: around? | 19:14 |
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| slangasek | ember: any chance you can follow up on bug #187328? Now that seahorse has been rebuilt against openldap 2.4, there's a potential for crashes on 64-bit archs in the LDAP code | 20:02 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187328 in seahorse "seahorse: misbuild on 64-bit architectures due to missing ldap prototypes" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187328 | 20:02 |
| ember | slangasek sure, thanks | 20:15 |
| geser | does somebody know if gimp will stay at 2.4.3 for hardy or will it get updated to 2.4.4? | 20:23 |
| geser | I try to figure out what to do with ingimp as it wants gimp < 2.4.3 and the latest version in Debian already wants gimp 2.4.4 (but there was a version in unstable generating the right depends on gimp) | 20:25 |
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| hendrixski | is there a separate tool from apt-ftparchive for creating debug symbol repositores? because it doesn't seem to pick up ddeb packages :-( | 20:42 |
| slangasek | doko: are you aware of cwidget being dep-wait on i386 because it's grown an ikiwiki build-depends-indep? | 21:22 |
| LCID_Fire | Hi | 21:23 |
| doko | slangasek: now I'm aware of it. thanks | 21:23 |
| LCID_Fire | Could anyone give me a hand with grep? | 21:23 |
| ScottK | LCID_Fire: #ubuntu for support. | 21:24 |
| LCID_Fire | k | 21:24 |
| slangasek | doko: ok, cheers :) | 21:25 |
| hendrixski | I've made some debug symbol packages, but I can't seem to put them into a repository. Is there a way to get dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive to pick those up? | 21:27 |
| geser | slangasek, doko: cwidgets needs also libhtml-scrubber-perl from universe to fulfil build-depends-indep | 21:28 |
| hendrixski | pitti, I've seen your name on a few posts dealing with repositories of ddeb packages. If you get this, can you direct me to some documentation about how to make them. Thanks :-) | 21:32 |
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| * jdong reads Fedora 9's release notes and learns there's now something called PackageKit | 22:39 | |
| jdong | hmm... redhat camp seems really Kit happy | 22:39 |
| TheMuso | jdong: IMO its shameful. | 22:39 |
| TheMuso | :p | 22:39 |
| lifeless | I find the *Kit naming bizarre | 22:39 |
| TheMuso | lifeless: likewise. | 22:39 |
| jdong | likewise | 22:39 |
| jdong | will we get BazaarKit anytime soon? ;-) | 22:39 |
| jdong | because I really version control belongs on top of dbus and HAL | 22:40 |
| StevenK | Are they trying to pay homage to Knight Rider or something? | 22:40 |
| lifeless | we have it, import bzrlib.plugins.dbus | 22:40 |
| lifeless | kthxbye | 22:40 |
| jdong | :D | 22:40 |
| jdong | there's actually a dbus plugin? | 22:40 |
| lifeless | https://launchpad.net/bzr-dbus | 22:40 |
| slangasek | KatKit, for managing your pet's diet in a trademark-infringing manner | 22:40 |
| jdong | StevenK: *Kit feels really Apple-y to me | 22:40 |
| TheMuso | I think I'll make a speechkit./ | 22:40 |
| TheMuso | Or TTSKi. | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | TTSKit | 22:41 |
| jdong | TheMuso: shouldn't that be a part of ConsoleKit? | 22:41 |
| jdong | :D | 22:41 |
| jdong | what's the subunit of a Kit? | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | jdong: No. | 22:41 |
| lifeless | jdong: (in a word - yes there really is a dbus plugin) | 22:41 |
| lifeless | jdong: and avahi | 22:41 |
| TheMuso | avahi I can understand... But not dbus. | 22:42 |
| jdong | lifeless: I can understand the value of avahi branch announcements | 22:42 |
| jdong | but... dbus... | 22:42 |
| lifeless | bzr commit-notify | 22:42 |
| lifeless | listens on dbus | 22:42 |
| lifeless | gtk window pops up on each commit/push/pull/uncommit | 22:42 |
| lifeless | or branch | 22:42 |
| jdong | interesting | 22:42 |
| lifeless | bzr lan-notify shares these on the LAN | 22:43 |
| jdong | what's next? coreutils-dbus? | 22:43 |
| lifeless | so you commit to a public branch, I get a commit notify back through dbus and gtk | 22:43 |
| jdong | the ability to pipe things into dbus and then for another coreutil to fetch it out? :D | 22:43 |
| jdong | I guess I just had a very different conception of what "utopia" meant :) | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | lifeless: I actually like that. | 22:45 |
| TheMuso | THat gtk notification stuff. | 22:45 |
| lifeless | thanks :) | 22:45 |
| lifeless | TheMuso: I haven't done much/any a11y stuff for it | 22:45 |
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| TheMuso | lifeless: Oh I'm not so worried about that, although I should check it out some time. I just like the window notifications of branch updates. | 22:47 |
| lifeless | do you use it regularly ? | 22:47 |
| TheMuso | lifeless: I've never used it, but I'm interested enough to check it out. | 22:49 |
| lifeless | :) | 22:49 |
| lifeless | bbiab | 22:52 |
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