[00:08] <w00w00> huhu =)
[01:00] <themunkee> can anyone help me with viewing shared folders on windows from linux?
[01:16] <nikolam> themunkee, samba, smbclient, smbfs packages
[01:17] <nikolam> and linneighborhood
[01:18] <themunkee> thanks
[01:18] <nikolam> system-config-samba, samba-doc, samba-doc-pdf
[01:18] <nikolam> np :)
[01:19] <themunkee> after i get all that, what do i do?
[01:20] <nikolam> see some documentation. You have samba-doc-*
[01:20] <themunkee> ok
[01:24] <themunkee> where is the samba-doc located?
[01:27] <cclampblues> yo how is everyone
[01:32] <nikolam> themunkee, install everything from synaptic. use search, select packages and voila.
[01:32] <themunkee> i installed samba-doc
[01:32] <themunkee> how do i look at it?
[01:33] <themunkee> actually, nevermind
[01:33] <themunkee> just figured it out
[01:33] <themunkee> i edited my fstab to automount my shared folder
[01:34] <nikolam> themunkee, you eather have new icon for it (like applications) OR you can go back to synaptick, find it again, right click on it select installed files and find out where docs are :)
[01:34] <themunkee> ah, ok
[01:34] <themunkee> thanks much
[01:34] <nikolam> themunkee, i personlly didnt used samba yet, so i will stop here :)
[01:35] <nikolam> have a good night :)
[01:37] <nikolam> themunkee,  see ubuntuforums.org , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba, https://help.ubuntu.com/5.10/ubuntu/faq/C/sect-samba-server.html
[01:37] <themunkee> ok
[01:42] <cclampblues> !wirelesss
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wirelesss - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <cclampblues> !wireless
[01:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:44] <cclampblues> :-X
[01:46] <cclampblues> :-*
[01:51] <theyycallmepost> can anyone lend me a hand with some rfcomm issues trying to get carwhisperer/bluesnarfer to work?
[02:29] <cclampblues> am i still here?
[02:38] <cclampblues> im trying to install the flash plugin for firefox... is there a gui method to do this?>
[02:39] <cclampblues> !flash
[02:39] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:50] <adam_> Hi!  Can anyone recommend a good FTP server, ideally with a GUI frontend?
[03:04] <cclampblues> !ftp
[03:04] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[03:05] <cclampblues> theres a afew to check out
[03:08] <cclampblues> !Gnash
[03:08] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[03:09] <cclampblues> !Restricted
[03:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:46] <zoredache> blist
[03:48] <maxamillion> ?
[04:11] <zoredache> maxamillion: I was speaking to a computer in another window... but the focus somehow slipped to this one
[04:12] <maxamillion> ahhh, i know how that goes :)
[04:14] <cclampblues> hey is there a way to restart reset the mouse from the terminal?
[04:14] <cclampblues> it keeps freezing
[04:14] <cclampblues> not moving at all
[04:15] <cclampblues> !mouse
[04:15] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[04:15] <cclampblues> anyone here/
[04:16] <maxamillion> cclampblues: i'm here ... just never experienced that issue so wouldn't know how to tell you to fix it
[04:16] <cclampblues> it just started after i tried to install the flah plugin for firefox.
[04:17] <cclampblues> this os is infuriating
[04:22] <cclampblues> hello, what does the message: cpu freq changed mean?
[04:43] <maxamillion> cclampblues: nothing special, if you open a terminal and type cpufreq-info it will tell you information about your processors ability to chance its frequency dynamically, this is used for throttling of the cpu and generally for power management
[04:43] <maxamillion> change*
[06:11] <Death-FC> Is there a way to install Adobe Flash onto an xubuntu system w/ only 192 meg ram? or even a viable alternative?
[06:16] <soldats> go to the adobe site and download the tar.gz file and follow the directions to install it for 32bit systems
[06:25] <Death-FC> when i double click on the install file, or even goto terminal and try "flashplayer-install" it does nothing :(
[06:26] <soldats> did you READ the directions
[06:26] <soldats> it says to navigate to the dir in terminal and do /.flash_player_install
[06:26] <soldats> or /.flashinstaller
[06:26] <soldats> or something
[06:27] <Death-FC> yes sir.. i will attempt again and tell you result...  i did try the /.flash thing, didn't work, so i went into directory and tried flashplayer-installer that way.. w/ no luck..
[06:29] <soldats> nav to the dir and do /.flashplayer-installer
[06:30] <Death-FC> wow, i feel stupid.. thx
[06:30] <Death-FC> must have mistyped before lol
[06:30] <Death-FC> sorry
[06:30] <Death-FC> thx for yoru time
[06:31] <soldats> np
[07:41] <melissa_> !mp3 > melissa
[07:41] <melissa_> !mp3 > melissa_
[12:28] <rami_> Hello I screwed up my task bar, and it's really a pain to recustomize it again...is there a way to get back to default?
[13:38] <deeps> hi, is it possible to get xubuntu to change it's default action with images, so that it gives me an application similar to the windows image previewer to look at my images in, and brwoe though, rather than loading up the gimp?
[13:38] <deeps> browse*
[13:41] <hhyjii> hello, i'm trying to install wicd on xubuntu 7.10 kernel 2.6 it needs python-gnome2-extras. When i try to install python.... it asks for libgdl-1-0, i try to install it but it needs for libgdl-1-common. When i try to install libgdl-1-common it asks for libgdl-1-0. Can you help?
[13:44] <predaeus> deeps, right click on the image file and select "Open with other application" and tick the "always open with that application" box.
[13:44] <deeps> predaeus: know of any suitable applications?
[13:46] <predaeus> deeps, hm I use gqview and disable the file browsing tab, so it only shows the image in the window and no controls. Easy fullscreen with F key and navigation with arrows.
[13:47] <predaeus> ah page-up/down not arrows, sorry
[13:48] <predaeus> hhyjii, are you installing with apt-get?
[13:49]  * deeps gives it a try
[13:49] <hhyjii> no, I double click on *.dev file
[13:49] <predaeus> hhyjii, using apt (apt-get) for installation will select the dependencies automatically.
[13:49] <predaeus> hhyjii, you mean .deb?
[13:49] <hhyjii> widc XXXX...xXX.deb
[13:51] <predaeus> hhyjii, hm yea sorry I don't know yet how to automatically isntall dependencies with dpgk. But I think there is an option.
[13:51] <hhyjii> so i should go to console and write apt-get widc XXX.deb?
[13:51] <deeps> anyone in here know of any decent debian/ubuntu based linux distros other than xubuntu/fluxbuntu that are suitable to run on 750mhz/128mb?
[14:02] <solomon> is there any way to get xubuntu's installer to not probe for X config?  when it does my laptop goes haywire and kills the install
[14:02] <solomon> the lappy previously had a debian installation with X working and i've copied the xorg.conf from there, so i don't really need automagical x config
[14:06] <hhyjii> ok, I have wicd-XXX.deb file on my desktop. I go to console-mode, cd Desktop, dir - file wicd-XXX.deb is there. I write 'apt-get install wicd-XXX' and got error saying that, there is no package wicd-XXX. Same thing when i write 'apt-get install wicd-XXX.deb'
[14:21] <ochosi> hhyjii: well you could try "dpkg -i wicd-XXX.deb" instead
[14:22] <ochosi> hhyjii: apt-get only would try to get that package from the repositories, in case you don't have a repository you can either use gtk-debi-package installer (gui) or dpkg -i (command line)
[15:42] <xnu> who is responsible for xubuntus art work?
[15:52] <TheSheep> xnu: jmak
[17:45] <iari> My laptop doesn't go into hibernation / Suspend mode. When I try switching to hibernate the screen goes black and there's a blinking '_' like DOS mode... I can't type or do anything except shutting down using the power button..
[19:24] <xalastras> hi... my router keeps on updating my dns and erases my isp's dns.. how can i block my router from doing that or.. keep my isp's dns always on?
[19:25] <TheSheep> no idea, I do a temporary workaround by removing write permissions for /etc/resolv.conf
[19:25] <TheSheep> but i only works until I reboot :)
[19:26] <xalastras> that could be done automaticly anytime i start ubuntu again ^^
[19:27] <zoredache> xalastras: I think if you installed 'resolvconf' you could force dns.  you could also update the dhcp client config to force ddns
[19:28] <zoredache> you could also install a DNS server on your router, and just set it all to be 127.0.0.1 and set the forwarders on the dns server
[20:06] <leche> hey, i got some issues with shutting down xfce and my panel... the logout dialog doesnt appear if i click on the small red arrow, theres just a dialog for closing the panel. at startup i dont have a panel, even if i shutdown -P now
[20:12] <t105> hi everybody, i have a question about installing xubuntu on a dell t105 server... which doesn't do because of sata issues ... ;] am i right here? (#ubuntu seems crowded)
[20:19] <t105> well... what to add? i've got the alternate x64 cd, it starts, but when it comes to booting, it says "can't find cdrom". cd is obviously there. but the installer doesn't get that right and moans "insert cd" ;/
[20:27] <zoredache> just out of curiosity what will the server be for?
[20:27] <zoredache> is the cdrom sata as well?
[20:28] <t105> yep
[20:28] <t105> there's nothing else in it, 2 sata disks and one dvd
[20:28] <t105> which is internally labeled a, b, and c for the cd drive
[20:28] <leche> hey zoredache :-)
[20:28] <zoredache> and you say the model is a t105?
[20:29] <t105> yes
[20:29] <t105> poweredge
[20:29] <t105> arrived today ;)
[20:29] <t105> planning as a small business server with soft-raid
[20:29] <deeps> if you dont mind my asking, why xubuntu?
[20:30] <deeps> ...as a server...
[20:30] <t105> not sure if { |k|x}ubuntu installers differ in some way?
[20:30] <t105> well - i dont need much
[20:30] <t105> shouldn't it ?
[20:30] <zoredache> generally I would suggest a server with no gui at all
[20:30] <deeps> indeed, im under the impression that xubuntu is a desktop os
[20:30] <leche> right ^^
[20:30] <zoredache> so an ubuntu cli only install
[20:30] <deeps> and there isn't a server relese of it
[20:30] <t105> well, there will be lokal work also to do
[20:31] <t105> ;-)
[20:31] <leche> well, all you need is ssh
[20:31] <t105> it's not locked in some storage room, it's... und the desktop ;)
[20:31] <leche> dont walk, use ssh :-P
[20:31] <t105> well... i would
[20:32] <t105> but if you suggest, (x)ubuntu wouldn't fit... what else?
[20:32] <leche> i got some probs with my desktop xfce..
[20:32] <t105> i used suse before
[20:32] <leche> as a server=
[20:32] <leche> ?
[20:33] <t105> well it will be mainly for data, but sometime i'm planning to install postgres
[20:33] <leche> im running a ubuntu command line server
[20:33] <leche> works fine for me
[20:34] <t105> yay okay, but i can't even install, you see ;)
[20:34] <zoredache> t105: do you have a connection to the internet on the server?  You might give the netinstall disk a shot
[20:34] <t105> it just doesnt get the cd drive correctly
[20:34] <t105> hm
[20:34] <zoredache> that is why I am suggesting the net install. after the initial boot it doesn't even try to use the cd
[20:35] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:35] <leche> or, if your cd drive completly is crashed, try an usb stick (if its supported)
[20:35] <zoredache> I suspect I would also double check to see if it works on the 32 bit version
[20:36] <t105> no the drive isn't crashed. it's /dev/scd1 and (after pressing f1 for help, i saw this message) it can't be mounted
[20:37] <t105> hm... netboot... let's see if it is supported...
[20:37] <t105> btw, it is 2 nvidia ck804 controllers
[20:38] <leche> zoredache, any idea to solve my shutdown problem?
[20:38] <zoredache> leche: not really, no
[20:38] <leche> :-/ ok, but thx for reading :-)
[20:40] <t105> hm, seems no net boot option present
[20:41] <t105> a wait
[20:42] <t105> i can enable pxe...
[20:43] <t105> hm but that won't be cool anyway, if the cd is not supported? i wonder if the drives will be afterall!
[20:43] <zoredache> eh?  I wasn't suggesting a pxe install I was sugging using the mini iso to install.  a pxe install is needlessly complex
[20:46] <t105> hm, which one is that?
[20:46] <zoredache> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[20:47] <leche> zoredache, which is the session management file in xfce?
[20:47] <leche> (i mean, the autostart file)
[20:48] <zoredache> autostart stuff is in .config/autostart/ I believe
[20:48] <leche> thx
[20:48] <t105> ok i'll try that! is the x64 release already save for use?
[20:52] <t105> hm.. these are ubuntu-minimals. is there a chance i can install xubuntu with that?
[20:52] <zoredache> yes
[20:53] <zoredache> one of the boot options will be to install a commmand-line only system
[20:53] <zoredache> if/when you get the command line only system installed
[20:53] <leche> zoredache, where are things like the panel started?
[20:53] <zoredache> then simply login and do an 'sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop'
[20:54] <t105> ok thanks!
[20:54] <t105> still, anyway: will there probably be controller issues?
[20:54] <t105> i know dell supports sles and red cap
[20:55] <zoredache> t105: I don't know.  If the minimal cd doesn't see your drive, then would either newer, or older cd
[20:55] <t105> ;)
[20:56] <zoredache> newer first.   It is possible the kernel in hardy may have support for your controller...
[20:57] <zoredache> if i was really persistant I would go get the kernel source and .config for redhat, then repackage it for ubuntu
[20:57] <t105> they supplied a "build and update" utility cd. when booting it (some linux!, hehe) they give an option to install a system. guess what? win-xy, rh and sles. maybe these can't do it on their own, too. *fear*
[20:58] <t105> so, obviously linux is possible, at least their the cd boots
[20:58] <zoredache> well the xubuntu cd boots
[20:59] <t105> mine?
[20:59] <zoredache> t105: you said it booted right?  but that the installer couldn't remount it
[20:59] <t105> yes
[20:59] <t105> at least...
[21:00] <t105> well i come to the loader with those options
[21:00] <t105> but anything i try gets blown after the script tries to load the cdrom driver
[21:03] <t105> maybe the installer doesn't support sata, or isn't configured. so, maybe it's a bug? ;)
[21:09] <leche> zoredache, whats the process for the session manager in xfce? and, why dont i have a ~/,xsession file
[21:09] <leche> i think it has something to do with my session manager
[21:11] <zoredache> leche: don't know
[21:11] <leche> zoredache, ok, ill stop bothering you now ^^
[21:12] <zoredache> you might look in .cache/sessions
[21:13] <zoredache> I suspect if I couldn't figure something weird out like you are describing I would setup a second account and try logging into it
[21:13] <zoredache> if the second account didn't have problems I would start comparing stuff between the two homedirectories
[21:15] <t105> question: which install option should i use with that mini-cd? i want to make a raid1....
[21:15] <t105> or ist that asked later
[21:15] <t105> "cli" or "install"
[21:15] <leche> zoredache, thx, that sounds like a good algorithm
[21:16] <zoredache> use cli
[21:16] <zoredache> parititioning is common to all choices
[21:17] <t105> whew
[21:18] <t105> we're at "dhcp" ... looks good so far! ;)
[21:24] <t105> well, what's confusing... manual partitioning... but there's no raid option....
[21:25] <zoredache> you have to create a partition on each drive... there is a choice to set the type.  you need to set the type for use by raid
[21:25] <zoredache> you also should create a small ~150MB partition at the start of both drives
[21:26] <t105> it shows scsi1 (sda) and scsi2 (sdb) ---? is that right, since they are ata drives.. or is that due to sata interface
[21:26] <zoredache> t105: recent kernsl show drives on many new sata and ide controllers as scsi devices
[21:27] <t105> okay i just wondered =)
[21:27] <t105> oh.. and under sda there are two lines:
[21:27] <t105> nr. 1 primary 57 mb k fat16 /media/sda1
[21:27] <zoredache> t105: don't worry about it too much. it shouldn't matter.  If you really are interrested you could go dig into the kernel source
[21:28] <t105> nr. 2 primary 2.2 gb b k fat32 /media/sda2
[21:28] <zoredache> t105: yes there are probably existing partitions.  If you highlight the dirve and press enter, it should ask you if you want to create a new parition table
[21:28] <zoredache> or you could just delete the existing parititions
[21:28] <t105> does that mean, i have some preinstalled partitions
[21:28] <t105> ah
[21:28] <t105> i think it's dells services stuff
[21:28] <zoredache> the fat16 parition is probably the dell recover partition.
[21:28] <t105> yep
[21:29] <zoredache> you could leave it there if you wanted
[21:29] <t105> but that affects the size ... doesn't it? raid must be equal sized?
[21:30] <zoredache> they don't have to be equal, but you will only get to use the ammount available on the smallest member
[21:30] <zoredache> you could leave some free space on the other drive
[21:30] <t105> hm okay
[21:30] <zoredache> you probably don't need it though
[21:31] <zoredache> I always remove them on my dell servers.  everything that is on the partition is also on one of the resource cds that came with the computer
[21:31] <t105> just don't know IF i need it... i guess this is works together with their update-tool-cd in some way
[21:31] <t105> ah.. okay.. then: *blast*
[21:31] <zoredache> it is usually just there diagnostic tools
[21:32] <t105> yeah and they're pretty... useless? just some ram testing
[21:33] <t105> you mentioned that small 150 mb partition... shall that be fat16? what will that be, /boot?
[21:34] <zoredache> that will be ext3 for boot
[21:34] <zoredache> grub is an easier bootloader to work with, but it doesn't like booting off a raid
[21:35] <t105> hm i've heard the like... which one will be used?
[21:35] <zoredache> sorry?  which what will be what?
[21:36] <t105> i mean, will grub be used ?
[21:36] <zoredache> grub will be used if you create a seperate /boot.  If you don't, then it will use lilo
[21:37] <zoredache> what freaks me out about lilo, is that every kernel update causes a re-write of the boot-sector
[21:37] <zoredache> I have had that kill computers several times
[21:37] <t105> so should i not create a separate boot partition (on both drives)?
[21:38] <t105> or create on both and use grub anyway
[21:38] <zoredache> you should create a small partition ~150mb on at least one of the drives...  you can create one on each if you like
[21:39] <t105> and sda1 will be ext3, mounted /boot, boot-flag: yes, no mount options... ok?
[21:40] <zoredache> yes
[21:41] <t105> ok, and on the second drive.... well... mountpoint /boot, tooo? or leave /
[21:41] <zoredache> no, just change the mount point to nothing
[21:41] <zoredache> or /boot2 or something
[21:46] <t105> ok. thanks so far... ah wait, the raid stuff will come later, right?
[21:46] <zoredache> you are still on the partitioner screen aren't you?
[21:47] <t105> yep
[21:47] <zoredache> after your /boot partition, you should create a new parition on each drive where you will put the raid parition
[21:47] <t105> i've confugured sda2 pri 239 gb for / and a 10gb swap on both disks
[21:48] <zoredache> just go to t105 that isn't what you wanted to do
[21:48] <t105> yeah i see ;)
[21:48] <zoredache> so sda1 should be the boot... select the your sda2 parition
[21:48] <t105> there was that "auto" option that created these
[21:49] <t105> so there are 3 partitions on each disk, sda1, sda2, sda5 and sdb1, sdb2, sdb5
[21:49] <t105> sda1 is /boot and bootable
[21:50] <zoredache> sda1 is right..  after that, select your sda2 paritition
[21:50] <t105> ok
[21:50] <zoredache> one of the options says something like filesystem
[21:50] <t105> yes
[21:50] <t105> its ext3 now
[21:50] <zoredache> select that, then hit enter... towards the bottem of the list there should be a choice for raid
[21:50] <t105> should it be volume for raid?
[21:51] <zoredache> something like that, yes
[21:51] <t105> the other option is lvm but thats not what i want i guess
[21:51] <zoredache> no
[21:52] <t105> and sdb2 th like, right?
[21:52] <zoredache> yes, make all the partitions except the first be raid
[21:52] <t105> even the 2 swap partitions?
[21:53] <t105> or should they be deleted
[21:53] <zoredache> you could raid the swap partitions
[21:53] <zoredache> or you could have two seperate swap parititoons
[21:53] <zoredache> I am not sure exactly what happens if drive fails though
[21:53] <t105> just don't know if the kernel will like that ;)
[21:54] <zoredache> probably badness...  Of course since it is software raid... you'll probably get badness anyway
[21:54] <zoredache> software raid doesn't do much to insulate you from the failure... it just makes sure your data is good
[21:55] <zoredache> so you may be fine to just leave them a two seperate swap partitions
[21:55] <zoredache> it doesn't matter much, you should be able to change that later
[21:56] <j_fox> Pardon me, but I am encountering a 100% repeatable (on my system) crash in ubiquity on the xubuntu 7.10 i386 install liveCD, when I enter a particular partition scheme in on the install script. I was wondering if anyone happened to be fluent in the ubiquity program enough to tell me if this is a known problem in this version of ubiquity or a new bug which needs submitted in the bug tracking system for xubuntu, and also if this is due to my 
[21:56] <t105> i just read that raiding swap is one of a good idea....
[21:57] <j_fox> t105: I dont know about linux, but in windows, if you have just a bunch of drives with a swap file on each one, windows automatically uses the least busy drive for the swap data it needs to write, so using RAID actually would slow that down... again this is windows Im speaking of, not linux.
[21:59] <t105> hm.. raiding may actually slow down
[22:00] <t105> but at least the system doesn't go down, if one swap is broken. that's some kind of a trade-off, i think..
[22:01] <j_fox> if you have a drive going south the data in swap is not going to be your primary concern unless you are running a large business, yes?
[22:02] <t105> well... not that large, but it's a 24/7 system that shouldn't "beep" at night when i am asleep ;)
[22:02] <j_fox> I run several systems like that. if you don't want the beeps, then you need to stay away from hardware RAID for one. Ive had raid failure alarm go off and wake me up before x.x
[22:03] <j_fox> if you dont like a reboot beep, then it's a piece of cake to remove the piezo speaker from the system case - or mobo if it is integrated. and if its a home server, a spontaneous reboot to a functional system (from a hard crash) is better then a continuous alarm.
[22:03] <deeps> better yet, dont keep servers in the bedroom
[22:03] <j_fox> true that.
[22:05] <t105> *hrhr*
[22:05] <t105> no, the "beep" was a placeholder
[22:06] <t105> it could be just a console output: "unhappy. gonna die. bye, paps"
[22:07] <j_fox> more on the subject, why are you worried so much about keeping data when something is corrupting it? especially in a home server situation I would be much, much more worried about the reason the data was being corrupted in the first place then recovering swap data if its gone south.
[22:08] <j_fox> I find little sense in what people seem to do on the most part, for example, someone buying a bargain basement $10 power supply and then putting three $100+ hard drives in it so they can raid their data.
[22:08] <j_fox> or not running the server off of a line filtering UPS
[22:09] <j_fox> prevent the corruption in the first place, dont worry about recovering from it as much.
[22:09] <TheSheep> and make backups :)
[22:10] <j_fox> to me thats part of preventing the corruption in the first place.
[22:10] <j_fox> but you dont need to back up swap data...
[22:10] <t105> well, i was just exploring, how to prepare the partitions in the installer for use with raid 1. now that question arose, how to deal with swap: create a second pair of raid-volumes, or 2 separate swap partitions
[22:10] <TheSheep> there are two kinds of people: those who make backups, and those who will be making backups
[22:10] <j_fox> Pardon me, but I am encountering a 100% repeatable (on my system) crash in ubiquity on the xubuntu 7.10 i386 install liveCD, when I enter a particular partition scheme in on the install script. I was wondering if anyone happened to be fluent in the ubiquity program enough to tell me if this is a known problem in this version of ubiquity or a new bug which needs submitted in the bug tracking system for xubuntu, and also if this is due to my 
[22:11] <j_fox> I actually am much more of the school of thought of node-based computing, when you need data enough to do more then a hard drive with a backup or two of it.
[22:11] <TheSheep> j_fox: there was one bug where thunar volman was mounting the partitions and preventing their formatting
[22:12] <j_fox> check out the archive.org petabox. a think of a hive of worker bees, cooperative storage. data is stored in fragments across the worker bee nodes.
[22:12] <TheSheep> j_fox: try disabling the volman
[22:12] <j_fox> TheSheep: I already did that ;)
[22:12] <j_fox> I noticed that bug when I was using xubuntu 7.04 and I do that every time I install with a liveCD where there were already partitions on the dirve.
[22:12] <j_fox> thanks though
[22:14] <TheSheep> j_fox: other than that, I'm afraid you'd have to search the bug database
[22:14] <j_fox> yeah... Im horrid at searching is the problem.
[22:14] <j_fox> ah well. I guess Ill just have to go with another more common partitioning scheme.
[22:15] <TheSheep> j_fox: or use the alternate cd
[22:15] <j_fox> The problem is the same with the text installer. I have both.
[22:15] <TheSheep> j_fox: or leave room and add other partitions later
[22:15] <j_fox> the odd part is Debian Etch will do them just fine,
[22:15] <TheSheep> not that old
[22:15] <TheSheep> odd
[22:16] <TheSheep> ubuntu stable is still as stable as debian testing ;)
[22:16] <j_fox> That's just it, the way I need to set it up to have what I want it can't wait (to my knowledge) until after Ive installed
[22:17] <j_fox> the problem I have with debian is it feels like most of the other linucies, cobbled together and falling apart at the seams.  Try installing and getting nvidia 3D acceleration. you cant without getting out of X but it doesnt have an easy way of doing that. then you run into the whole problem of having to go to the console to install the nvidia binaries. Talk about troglodytic and just plain poor design
[22:18] <t105> *argh* it moans that there is no /root entry. well, i cant enter it with the "raid volume" option
[22:18] <j_fox> if I was you I would run JBOD and set up a near-raid snapshot backup scheme.
[22:18] <t105> there are just 2 lines: use as raid volume and boot y/n
[22:19] <j_fox> basically making the second hard drive as a near-realtime (every few hours) live snapshot of the main, which is able to become primary should the primary fail I.E. bootable flag set et al
[22:20] <j_fox> if you want raid, that's honestly almost raid depending on how it's set up, and a lot more robust in certain situations
[22:22] <j_fox> and if you are after performance, if you balance the load right across mounts and physical drives, a jbod system can be better performing.
[22:22] <j_fox> granted not by a lot but still]
[22:23] <t105> zoredache: didn't you tell me to create sda&b2 not with ext3 but with that raid option?
[22:23] <j_fox> AHA! the crash happens whenever I create a primary partition with the dont_use filesystem option. that's why I keep getting it.
[22:24] <t105> j_fox: well, there are just 2 drives, and as i don't want a hardware raid (try replacing THAT if it goes down, and they go down)
[22:24] <j_fox> yes I am *NOT* a fan of hardware RAID either.
[22:25] <j_fox> but the issue remains, what do you hope to get out of software RAID that you cannot get out of two individual drives?
[22:25] <t105> however, i.. "just wanted a simple raid 1"... hell ;)
[22:25] <TheSheep> j_fox: you don't manage many servers, do you :)
[22:25] <j_fox> there is no such thing as simple raid.
[22:25] <j_fox> TheSheep: I have in the past. I have found that for NON BUSINESS systems raid is entirely too much trouble
[22:25] <t105> well raid 1 is "just mirroring"... but even that can go wrong.
[22:26] <j_fox> when it comes to businesses and mission critical apps, then yes, hardware raid becomes a must.
[22:26] <j_fox> but I prefer distributed filesystems and volume shadow copies.
[22:26] <t105> but then the controller cost 10 servers that i just have right here ;)
[22:26] <j_fox> more RAIS then RAID - redundant array of independant/inexpensive systems
[22:27] <j_fox> I used to have a DPT PM2865U3 back in the day with 128MB cache ram. it cost me a pretty penny, and I had a 12 disc RAID 50 array on it.
[22:27] <j_fox> that's the card that when ADAPTEC bought out DPT they renamed it the 3200S card and sold it as their own.
[22:28] <t105> with their own bugs? ;)
[22:29] <j_fox> actually no, they inhereted a lot of the bugs from DPT's firmware. they prettymuch used it with their logo... and actually used that firmware to base some later cards off of.
[22:30] <t105> sounds perfect for critical data
[22:30] <j_fox> it was actually a very good card as long as you knew its' exintricities.
[22:36] <j_fox> t105: what I dont get is why you are so hooked on the idea of having a raid1 volume on the system...
[22:37] <t105> well... for tha data to be more protected if one disk fails, maybe?
[22:38] <j_fox> more protected then hourly snapshotting?
[22:38] <j_fox> or what if a power failure happens when the discs are writing... then both can be lost.
[22:39] <t105> the power will be taken care of ;)
[22:39] <j_fox> good. too many people don't run at least a line-interactive UPS.
[22:42] <t105> and many don't know they have to change batteries rather often ;)
[22:43] <j_fox> LOL! definitely true!
[22:43] <j_fox> ive seen UPSes with 10 year old batteries O.o
[22:44] <t105> lucky those packs didn't start "flowing"... acid on the floor is only good for dancing, i guess ;)
[22:44] <j_fox> thats why I started carrying baking soda around in my tech bag.
[22:45] <t105> lol
[22:45] <j_fox> I had to use it a few times.
[22:46] <j_fox> Im actually looking at getting some SAFT electric vehicle batteries for mine, they are the only big maker of NICAD batteries in the size needed for this.
[22:46] <t105> so coming back to raid. i couldn't make it with the installer right the way, because the partitions had no filesystem and no mount point. so / is on sda2 for now. i hope i can change it later to raid?
[22:47] <zoredache> t105: make it for raid..
[22:48] <zoredache> t105: I don't want to be frustrated at you, but it would be good if you scroll back and look at what I had told you...
[22:48] <t105> i tried, but the installer didn't let me. it said - "no root mount point selected, go change that before proceeding"
[22:48] <t105> mom
[22:48] <zoredache> I said.  make the two identical volumes on each drive... make sure they are set to for raid
[22:48] <zoredache> then a NEW option will show up in the paritioner menu to setup raid
[22:48] <j_fox> AHA! I didn't even realize what you meant by that until now
[22:49] <zoredache> choose that item, and you will get set what type of raid you want, choose member volumes, etc.
[22:50] <zoredache> after that a new drive will appear in the partitioner
[22:50] <t105> oiips
[22:50] <t105> ii==oo
[22:51] <j_fox> dont feel so bad, I didnt get what zoredache was saying either >.<
[22:51] <t105> i didn't see that option... well ok it didn't bark at me so i was blind
[22:52] <zoredache> :/
[22:52]  * j_fox strikes her dumb blonde look
[22:52] <j_fox> sorry zoredache it wasnt what you said I think both of us just didnt see what you meant.
[22:52] <t105> now it started installing, i had to reboot. shooting at midnight ;)
[22:53] <j_fox> hm. you must be... somewhere far away from me. LOL never been good with timezones.
[22:53] <t105> well.... there is a part in my memory that's completely erased. the part about modems and slow connections ;)
[22:54] <t105> well.... gmt+1
[22:54] <t105> it's around midnight
[22:54] <j_fox> gmt+5 aka EST here.
[22:54] <t105> maybe i just forgot some special spells or something... #66: never set up a server at midnight
[22:55] <j_fox> shouldnt that be after midnight? because they turn into gremlins? :p
[22:55] <t105> #67: or use dry lunatic-grass powder
[22:56] <j_fox> er...or is EST gmt-5
[22:56] <t105> #67b: fairy-tears will do, too
[22:56] <j_fox> must be -5
[22:57] <j_fox> ok nice to meet you all, it's been a plearure, but the install is done, so I'm ditching this livecd session to config my install.
[22:57] <j_fox> pleasure even
[22:57] <t105> bye bye ;-)
[22:58] <t105> and  a good evening(?)
[22:58] <j_fox> later :) and thanks for the conversation
[22:58] <j_fox> yeah its 5pmish here :) good night to you!
[22:58] <j_fox> ooh 6pm
[23:01] <t105> well, the option was there ;-D
[23:01] <t105> now it's formatting etc.
[23:01] <t105> zoredache: thank you very much so far!!!
[23:02] <zoredache> t105: you don't happen to know about building debian source packages do you?
[23:03] <t105> no, not at all... you mean compiling or developing?
[23:03] <zoredache> I am trying to take a tar.gz package, and build a .deb out of it
[23:04] <t105> hm no, sorry, completely not my area... i was already puzzled with rpm's that didn't work the other day...
[23:04] <zoredache> so I can install it on tons of servers...  I am trying to not do it the lazy way where you just manuall compile and build a binary package...
[23:04] <t105> i would ask mr. google ;)
[23:05] <t105> hm.. wasn't there some sort of deployment project?
[23:05] <zoredache> I am... he isn't being helpful...  The biggest problem is that the program I am trying to debify has tons of hard coded paths all over the place
[23:05] <t105> hm maybe go brutal an grep (or sed?) that stuff...
[23:06] <t105> maybe write some programme that reads all that strings and tests them
[23:07] <t105> and then replaces them in a new package?
[23:07] <t105> there could be som magic regexp for that?
[23:10] <t105> i'm just a 4g programmer, but i would read that file(s) in, create some kind of virtual file system (with all found and matching strings) in memory, and let you manipulate that tree, and after that the files would be combined back together
[23:11] <t105> depends on how the strings are coded (null-terminated or whatever)
[23:11] <t105> so the package doesn't get blown if stringlength differs
[23:12] <t105> zoredache: there is a message "debootstrap warning"... failure with configuring base packages. this will be attempted 5 times.
[23:16] <t105> around 70% comes that message... it's so fast i cant read what is going wrong
[23:17] <t105> sorry 48% comes first error, and right after "console ..." the second time
[23:21] <t105> init..rd and init ram fs or something like that
[23:22] <t105> just can't install, it keeps throwing me out to that install menu
[23:31] <t105> is there a way to fin out, which part goes wrong and why.. whilst installing base system?
[23:31] <t105> something is wrong with ramfs-tools