[00:15] <nixternal> I just love going and working on a clients system, doing the updates, making sure everything is working OK, leave, and then an hour later get a call saying "I just rebooted and it is saying something about Power Manager not configured"
[00:16] <nixternal> this guy has 50 Gutsy boxes....10 are Kubuntu and the rest are Ubuntu, all of them the same spec, and now he calls me saying that the Ubuntu boxes are complaining of this power manager issue
[00:16] <nixternal> now I am sitting in class ignaoring all phone calls :)
[00:21] <blizzzek-kde4> gn8
[00:26] <txwikinger> why didn't you configure the power manager then nixternal? :)
[00:42] <nixternal> because it was working before I left
[00:46] <txwikinger> nixternal: where is the memory leak in KDE?
[00:46] <nixternal> where isn't the memory leak in KDE is the better question
[00:46] <nixternal> that is, if you are referring to KDE 4?
[00:46] <txwikinger> :D
[00:46] <txwikinger> I had KDE4 running on my test machine for a couple of weeks without doing anything
[00:47] <txwikinger> Today the load was 39
[00:47] <txwikinger> plasma had almost 800MB
[00:47] <txwikinger> but KDE3 on gutsy is not clean either
[00:48] <nixternal> I get a leak every now and then in KDE 4, typically when using Konqueror to edit wiki pages is when I notice it
[00:48] <txwikinger> I have all my processes go into D status all the time
[00:48] <nixternal> but it is neat, I can watch it get to a point and then clean itself up
[00:48] <nixternal> I would type an entire sentence, wait a few seconds and then it would appear
[00:50] <txwikinger> yes I have that all the time
[00:50] <txwikinger> xorg is using 1871MB
[00:51] <txwikinger> I wonder if it makes sense to forward koffice2 craches with backtraces that missing debug symbols to kde
[00:52] <nixternal> check #koffice
[00:52] <nixternal> I think they do want people to send in bug reports, but for missing debug symbols, you would think they know about it
[00:53] <nixternal> uh oh..I have to give a talk in class about Rapid Application Development...so glad I read my PyQt4 book :p
[00:53] <txwikinger> I will give a talk about bug triage in the next LUG meet
[00:54] <nixternal> the professor keeps talking about VB...so I bet I can make up stuff and tell him that is how we do it with "Linux" :)
[00:54] <nixternal> you know, bug triage is a really good LUG topic
[00:54] <txwikinger> well python and pyqt works on the evil empire machines too
[00:55] <nixternal> I might through together a proposal to give a couple of bug talks
[00:55] <nixternal> I started my first PyQt app today, and I got quite a bit finished already
[08:05] <apache|mobile> Riddell: wallpaper configuration working properly via kiosk. kubuntu-default-settings-kde4 are going to be prepared this very afternoon. This message wasn't written by me either by a1ex.
[08:10] <apache|mobile> that last sentence sounds strange
[08:11]  * apache|mobile notes to never let a1ex write messages again
[09:19] <emonkey> lol
[09:19] <emonkey> apache|mobile, good morning
[09:19] <apache|mobile> ahoy emonkey
[09:34] <mhb> apache|mobile: a1ex? what's that?
[09:35] <mhb> is it a human or a robot minion of yours?
[09:40] <Riddell> apache|mobile: what needed to be done?
[09:41] <apache|mobile> mhb: human robot I'd say ;-)
[09:42] <apache|mobile> Riddell: well, was a bit too fast, plasma isn't exactly dynamic in 0.1
[09:42] <apache|mobile> we just need to create a kde4rc in /etc/
[09:42] <apache|mobile> set the Directories-default and that's it
[09:42]  * apache|mobile needs to restart kde
[09:44] <apache|mobile> I just broke my systray :S
[09:46] <apache|mobile> Riddell: for plasma we need to talk to aseigo, right now it's having some issues - one can't just configure the desktop containment (panel wouldn't load), also it is necessary to set fixed geometry values for panel applets
[10:30] <buz> i'm wondering about the printer auto installation
[10:30] <buz> shouldnt it perhaps ask for paper size? printing letter on a4 looks kinda weird
[10:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure how that's done, I would hope it was done through locale settings
[10:32] <buz> switzerland certainly does not use letter
[10:32] <Riddell> quite right too
[10:32] <buz> does anyone outside the us even use it?
[10:33] <Riddell> couldn't say
[10:33] <buz> seems like it would be best if it asked
[10:33] <apache|mobile> nah
[10:33] <apache|mobile> should use KDE default setting
[10:33] <buz> where would i find that
[10:34] <buz> yeah paper format is set to a4
[10:35] <emonkey> hey buz, cheers from Winterthur
[10:35] <buz> hehe cheers from Thalwil :P
[10:36] <emonkey> :)
[10:36] <buz> so i'm not the only kde users in switzerland :P
[10:36] <emonkey> definitely not, there are a lot. :)
[10:37] <buz> most linux using friends insist on gnome being so much better *shakeshead*
[10:37] <buz> and the rest use those minimal thingies like fluxbox
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:40] <buz> mpf systray is acting up again
[10:40] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[10:40] <Riddell> Nightrose, apache|mobile: http://dot.kde.org/1202415649/
[10:41] <buz> i couldnt get it to play music but then again it's pretty broken on linux too
[10:41] <apache|mobile> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:54] <mornfall> Hi. Anyone got a link handy to current adept 2.x source package? (The patched kubuntu one.)
[10:55] <mornfall> I'd like to check how is the lock recovery implemented...
[10:56] <Riddell> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/adept/2.1.3ubuntu23
[10:56] <mornfall> Thanks.
[11:05] <mornfall> Hm. What is the idea behind dynamic_cast< QObject * >( this )?
[11:14] <Riddell> mornfall: I think that patch was by manchicken
[11:15] <mornfall> It's used in several places. I was just curious, since that is a noop at best.
[11:15] <Riddell> network-manager 0.7 in my ppa if anyone wants to test, it didn't work for me (but neither did the gnome applet)
[11:15] <mornfall> (And it could have been a static_cast too, since it's up-cast...)
[12:03] <mhb> can you make use of the default KDE icon set in Qt apps?
[12:04] <mhb> (methinks not, but I wish to be wrong)
[12:05] <Riddell> you can but you have to load from absolute paths
[12:13] <mhb> hmm, well with the inconsistency of Crystal and Oxygen it makes little sense anyway
[12:14] <ForgeAus> whats the point of having Adept become more like Synaptic when theres a Kynaptic project?
[12:14] <mhb> who's making adept more like synaptic?
[12:14] <ForgeAus> well its lots more like it than it was in edgy anyhow
[12:14] <ForgeAus> I didn't get aquainted with adept pre-edgy
[12:15] <mhb> adept 3.0 is even more further away from Synaptic
[12:15] <Riddell> I think you're confusing adept manager with adept installer
[12:16] <ForgeAus> good to hear mhb :)
[12:24] <mornfall> Whee?
[12:40] <apachelogger__> Riddell: should kds-kde4 become part of kds or get it's own source package?
[12:41] <Riddell> apachelogger__: I'd just keep the same source package
[12:41] <Riddell> a different binary though
[12:41] <apachelogger__> k
[12:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I haven't been following the details, but it seems like there are some different package naming conventions we're using from Debian with the KDE4 stuff.  If you can get some of them to UDS, a spec for Hardy +1 to get things harmonized would, I think, but really useful.
[12:55] <Riddell> ScottK: they're entirely different, since we want kde 3 and 4 to be co-installable
[12:55] <Riddell> I expect we'll change that in future
[12:56] <ScottK> Right.  Sounds like good work for UDS?
[12:56] <Riddell> yes indeed
[12:58] <mhb> so the plan is to drop KDE3 from the repos completely in hardy+1?
[12:58] <Riddell> we don't have a plan, that's what UDS is for
[12:58] <mhb> ok
[12:58] <mhb> I thought you may have decided it at the last one
[12:59] <buz> i dont see kde4 being ready to replace kde3 completely by fall
[12:59] <apachelogger__> right, making plans without me :P
[12:59] <mhb> r
[12:59] <mhb> apachelogger__: that's politics :o)
[12:59] <ScottK> mhb: We've already got a substantially different plan than what we had a UDS.
[12:59]  * apachelogger__ notes that setteling on favorites for kickoff is one awful thing to do... we probably should do this in a post-inst
[13:00]  * Hobbsee grumbles at the idea of kde4 and uds
[13:00] <apachelogger__> or kickoff could just not display broken entries ;-)
[13:00] <Hobbsee> the session i was most looking forward to w.r.t that i did'nt even get to attend!
[14:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey :)
[14:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yop !
[14:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I plan on doing kdmtheme tonight, I've gotten some $@³¼$ work out of the way (it has benn bugging me for the past week)
[14:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I may not be there toonight, but I'll connected all the we in case you might need informations
[14:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I plan to release a kdesudo-kde4 saturday
[14:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool
[14:32] <Tonio_> :)
[14:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh nice :) - did you code the dialogs from scratch, or were you able to subclass something existing?
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: toma helped me to remove the inheritance making the dialog a member of the class and also helped on the big problem, which was writting to the process stdin
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the new kprocess doesn't have a method for that yet, which was my issue
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that required specific qt4 knowledge I don't, of course, have
[14:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: okay then :) - well its cool it came that far despite the troubles !
[14:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep :)
[14:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: now I have to do the Xauthority things and compatibility with kde4 kdesu
[14:35] <Tonio_> all that I can do
[14:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, I guess its just old wine on new bottles kinda thing..
[14:42] <ForgeAus> that reminds me I need to install crossover :)
[15:45] <ScottK> Debian klamav maintainer just agreed to let me take it, so I'm going to push our package up to Debian.
[16:18] <txwikinger> apachelogger__: Any more kde4 bugs that need forwarding?
[16:22] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:22] <Jucato> moin nixternal
[16:22] <nixternal> go ScottK go!
[16:22] <nixternal> muhahaha...
[16:23] <jpatrick> where?
[16:23] <nixternal> I am exploiting the hell out of our community for educational benefit :)
[16:23] <nixternal> he is the new Debian klamav maintainer
[16:23] <jpatrick> ah, right, cool :)
 Debian klamav maintainer just agreed to let me take it, so I'm going to push our package up to Debian.
[17:11] <manchicken> mornfall: That's a side-effect of an anal programmer whose C++ is weak trying to get rid of warnings :)
[17:12] <manchicken> It shut up the warnings :)
[17:12] <manchicken> And it did work :)
[17:18] <_Shade_> hi there
[17:18] <_Shade_> is there any issue with mp3 support in hardy on 64 bit boxes?
[17:27] <jpatrick> _Shade_: not that I know of..
[17:28] <_Shade_> jpatrick: i have no mp3 support as well as restricted video formats and sound in flash
[17:29] <jpatrick> _Shade_: have you installed libxime1-ffmpeg?
[17:31] <jpatrick> !info libxine1-ffmpeg | _Shade_
[17:31] <ubotu> _shade_: libxine1-ffmpeg (source: xine-lib): mpeg related plugins for libxine1. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 435 kB, installed size 908 kB
[17:33] <_Shade_> jpatrick: i'm just trying to install it but it seems there's no such package for hardy
[17:34] <jpatrick> _Shade_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:35] <_Shade_> oh typo, sorry
[17:36] <jpatrick> my fault, I made the mistake first
[17:38] <_Shade_> jpatrick: ok it seems to "play" it now, the only thing is that i had change the sound server before so i think i need to log in again to get it working
[17:39] <jpatrick> _Shade_: yes, I think a restart of the sound server is necessary to make it pick up the new plugin
[17:41] <_Shade_> jpatrick: oops no sound at all now... how do i get back to arts?
[17:41] <jpatrick> "< jpatrick> _Shade_: yes, I think a restart of the sound server is necessary to make it pick up the new plugin"
[17:42] <jpatrick> _Shade_: set it in System Settings
[17:42] <_Shade_> there's no ARTS there
[17:42] <jpatrick> kde4?
[17:42] <_Shade_> only alsa, open sound system etc
[17:42] <_Shade_> kde3
[17:43] <jpatrick> _Shade_: yeah, pick alsa
[17:43] <_Shade_> ok testing :)
[17:44] <jpatrick> apply and happy listening
[17:44] <_Shade_> something weird is happening
[17:45] <_Shade_> i clicked apply and the dialog appeared saying "restarting the sound server"... it reaches 100% and doing it again and again
[17:45] <jpatrick> just let it finish
[17:46] <_Shade_> well it seems to finish and then the progress bar is at 0 again and going up to 100 :)
[17:48] <_Shade_> btw i don't know if it's hardy or the 64 bit version (which is rather doubtful but who knows) but it is damn fast
[17:59] <_Shade_> jpatrick: ok i had no sound after the server restart because the alsamixer had the output set to zero :)
[18:00] <_Shade_> now everything seems to be ok, thanks
[18:00] <jpatrick> _Shade_: aha, glad that's fixed :)
[18:02] <_Shade_> jpatrick: if this is enough to install the package you mentioned... does it make sense to install ubuntu-restricted-extras at all?
[18:03] <jpatrick> _Shade_: i'd install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:05] <smarter_> jpatrick: !!!
[18:05] <_Shade_> i discovered a bug by the way :)
[18:06] <jpatrick> smarter_: ?
[18:06] <smarter_> jpatrick: just wanted to say hello in an original way :)
[18:06] <_Shade_> if you plug the removable device in and the hal window appears and you chose to browse its contents, it says that the media device is a file, and not a folder
[18:07] <smarter_> jpatrick: how is it going?
[18:07] <jpatrick> smarter_: bonjour, ça va?
[18:07] <smarter_> jpatrick: bien et toi?
[18:07] <jpatrick> smarter_: tres bien
[18:07] <nixternal> wow, I can actually understand what you are saying
[18:07] <mhb> should I try?
[18:07] <jpatrick> _Shade_: won't be able to confirm, don't have hardy or removeable media
[18:08] <jpatrick> nixternal: c'est tres facil :p
[18:08] <mhb> nixternal: I can make you understand nothing quite easily :o)
[18:08] <smarter_> jpatrick: do you have some time to re-re-ack bespin and kepas? :}
[18:09] <jpatrick> smarter_: what did you break this time?? :D
[18:09] <nixternal> mhb: something hit me last night...you will be within walking distance of UDS and I am jealous!
[18:09] <_Shade_> jpatrick: i can lend borrow you one :)
[18:09] <smarter_> jpatrick: for bespin nothing, some guy didn't know that Library GPL == Lesser GPL
[18:10] <jpatrick> smarter_: oh, you removed a space
[18:10] <smarter_> very important :)
[18:10] <jpatrick> smarter_: hehe
[18:10] <mhb> nixternal: definitely not walking distance, but still, you're right :o)
[18:11] <smarter_> jpatrick: for kepas, the package revision didn't explicitely said that it was repacked
[18:11] <jpatrick> smarter_: je peux voir... that
[18:11] <smarter_> ça? :)
[18:12] <jpatrick> smarter_: was thinking to much spanish :)
[18:13] <jpatrick> _Shade_: lend borrow me?
[18:14] <_Shade_> err lend or borrow? :)
[18:14] <_Shade_> i had to sleep on english lessons or what :)
[18:15] <jpatrick> ah, right
[18:15] <_Shade_> so i can LEND you if you want :P
[18:27] <smarter_> could someone running hardy please try this: http://pastebin.com/d6fe52a52 and report what is the output of ./qtsql ?
[18:28] <smarter_> expected result: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2"(according to bug #179261), result on my system: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:"
[18:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179261
[18:28] <stdin> smarter_: lucky you, I've been working on that today and may have a fix :)
[18:28] <smarter_> stdin: really?
[18:28] <smarter_> that's cool :)
[18:28] <smarter_> it prevents me from using qdevelop which I'm also packaging :/
[18:28] <stdin> yep, I have a new Qt in my PPA you can try
[18:29] <smarter_> I'll try
[18:29] <stdin> you just need to install libqt4-plugin-odbc
[18:29] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu hardy main
[18:31] <stdin> you need to load the plugin though, QPluginLoader plugin("/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlodbc.so")
[18:31] <stdin> or else build it directly into libQtSql
[18:32] <manchicken> So is there something I can install (e.g. kubuntu4-desktop) that'll just install kde4 desktop?
[18:33] <stdin> manchicken: kde4-core is a good start :)
[18:33] <stdin> there isn't a "kubuntu" meta-package yet
[18:33] <manchicken> Didn't quite think so.
[18:35] <nixternal> apachelogger__: how do you setup plasma panel to do the double rows?
[18:37] <stdin> smarter: http://stdin.pastebin.com/df5995fc seems to work foe me now
[18:38] <smarter> stdin: works here too, thanks :)
[18:38]  * stdin makes a debdiff
[18:38] <smarter> what did you changed to make it work?
[18:39] <stdin> smarter: added an option to build odbc as a plugin (after fixing the configure script to detect it)
[18:40] <stdin> then just packaged it as libqt4-plugin-odbc :)
[19:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: thx @ dot :)
[19:37] <mhb> Nightrose: that was one freaky interview
[19:37] <Nightrose> mhb: hehe yea
[19:37] <Nightrose> but good wasn´t it?
[19:37] <mhb> sure
[19:37] <Riddell> I don't understand why they interviewed him
[19:38] <Riddell> surely they should be interviewing gentoo people
[19:38] <Nightrose> Riddell: the one who did the interview is a freind of markey
[19:38] <Nightrose> *friend
[19:39] <Nightrose> and besides...
[19:39] <Nightrose> it is not any official gentoo newsletter
[19:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:40] <Nightrose> I just think it was nicer than the usual interview with standard questions
[19:40] <Nightrose> more natural
[19:41] <Nightrose> Riddell: meh - now i have this strange font thing in konqueror as well
[19:41] <Nightrose> narf
[19:53] <smarter> jpatrick: ping
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm going up for core-dev on Tuesday (2000 UTC) and if you can, it'd be nice to have you show up and speak in favor.
[19:56] <nixternal> I will show up and speak
[19:56] <jpatrick> ScottK: +1 from me :)
[19:56] <nixternal> only if fed though...I am starving and I don't have food :/
[19:56] <jpatrick> smarter: I'm on it
[19:58] <jpatrick> yay, kde-style-domino got through Debian NEW
[19:58] <Riddell> ScottK: how exciting
[19:58] <nixternal> make it earlier and I will stay up for it tonight :)
[19:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't ask you to sponsor me when I applied because you hadn't sponsored any Main uploads for me, but since then you have...
[19:59] <Riddell> ScottK: remind me again which?
[20:00] <mhb> mmm, core-dev
[20:00] <mhb> the ambiguity
[20:01] <mhb> it actually means "core packager", but they make it sound like "most. important. ever." :o)
[20:02] <ScottK> Riddell: python-qt3, python-qt4, and scribus.
[20:02] <Riddell> ScottK: all good packages!
[20:02] <ScottK> That's what I wanted to hear.
[20:02] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:02] <Riddell> mhb: tech board do require a commitment to helping with the core goals of ubuntu, rather than just packaging
[20:03] <mhb> Riddell: what I mean is: this tier system is a good way of giving credit to important people, but I find it rather packager-centric
[20:04] <nixternal> core-dev is the most important evern in the distro world, w/o it we wouldn't have main, we would have 4 guys sweating over universe, 2 or 3 pushing their non-free garbage to multiverse, and Canonical pushing Parallels :p
[20:04] <nixternal> had to take the cheap shot
[20:07] <mhb> say you are a great artist and you really are able to do the best icons for Ubuntu, yet you are not labeled as a part of the core just because the label is for packagers only
[20:07] <nixternal> but core-dev is just that, the actual developers, not the artists, documentation writers, LoCo members, and such
[20:08] <mhb> hmm
[20:08] <mhb> not developers
[20:08] <mhb> packagers
[20:08] <nixternal> why not developers? they develop do they not?
[20:08] <mhb> you can't get there if you never made a package
[20:08] <nixternal> or developed a package
[20:08] <mhb> which is okay, there's little point of being there if you never made a package
[20:09] <nixternal> you can't get there if you have never done package development
[20:09] <mhb> yep
[20:09] <mhb> in the normal world
[20:09] <nixternal> typically you go from contributor -> MOTU -> core-dev
[20:09] <mhb> do you call people who make packages "developers"?
[20:09] <mhb> no
[20:09] <nixternal> I do
[20:09] <mhb> you cal them "maintainers
[20:09] <mhb> "
[20:09] <mhb> call
[20:09] <nixternal> do you call people who make houses, cars, and candy bars developers? they do
[20:09] <mhb> or "packagers"
[20:10] <nixternal> developer: a person who develops
[20:10] <nixternal> doesn't say what they develop
[20:10] <nixternal> being a packager requires more than just doing a copyright, control, changelog, and such
[20:10] <nixternal> you have to at least understand 1 or more languages to create patches, develop install scripts, and such
[20:11] <mhb> what I mean is:
[20:11] <mhb> you label a set of people that are packagers "core developers"
[20:11] <mhb> what about all the other people that make significant contributions, but are not packagers?
[20:11] <nixternal> they are the core developers for one reason, all of their work is in main, ie. what makes our *buntu installs work
[20:11] <mhb> do they have a "core artist", "core marketing person" labels?
[20:11] <mhb> no
[20:12] <nixternal> what about them? they can strive to become a core-developer
[20:12] <mhb> you're not counting them as part of the "core"
[20:12] <jpatrick> we have code-doc :)
[20:12] <nixternal> what are they contributing to the core?
[20:12] <mhb> nixternal: so you think they're not important now?
[20:12] <nixternal> I think everyone is important
[20:13] <mhb> nixternal: well not, you refuse to label their work as important unless they do packages
[20:13] <mhb> it's not the core, it's some outer assistance, who cares...
[20:13] <mhb> that's not true, but I'm trying to show that labels are dangerous
[20:13] <nixternal> labels are for materialistic people I guess... I could care less what the label is, just do the work and have fun
[20:14] <nixternal> contributing it contributing, it all has its importance, of course some are more important than others
[20:14] <mhb> nixternal: well, yes
[20:14] <nixternal> the core extends from the "core packages"
[20:14] <mhb> nixternal: but are those labeled as "core developers" more valuable than others?
[20:14] <nixternal> they can be, yes
[20:14] <mhb> of course they can
[20:14] <mhb> but are they?
[20:15] <nixternal> I think so
[20:15] <nixternal> w/o them, then what do we do?
[20:16] <mhb> you see
[20:16] <nixternal> would be no jobs for marketing if we didn't have core people working on core packages, no need for documentation, no need for, well anybody really
[20:17] <nixternal> every community has them, every company has them
[20:17] <mhb> "core developers" are definitely more important than "sometime packager"
[20:17] <nixternal> true
[20:18] <mhb> nixternal: but you cannot really say that I (who tries to avoid packages) am less important than them, because we do incomparable work
[20:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Does this remind you of the eternal "Who's the most important guy on the ship?  The ones in combat or engineering?" argument?
[20:18] <nixternal> hahahhaha
[20:18] <mhb> but still, you said a while ago that they are more important than me.
[20:19] <nixternal> nobody is more important than you mhb :)
[20:19] <nixternal> put it this way, your work would definitely be useless w/o the core developers
[20:19] <mhb> "core developers" is actually a label that says "most important"
[20:19] <mhb> that's what it means
[20:19] <ScottK> mhb: They key thing about core-dev is being trusted to upload anything into the archive.  I think that is mostly about packaging and judgement, but ability to understand code is important too.
[20:20] <nixternal> no it isn't, it is a label that says "hey, I have proven myself competent, trustworthy enough to work on the core packages of *buntu"
[20:20] <mhb> there's not a word about packages in there
[20:20] <mhb> it's just "core developers"
[20:20] <nixternal> anyone can be a developer
[20:20] <mhb> and that's what I'm pretty upset about :o)
[20:20] <mhb> right
[20:20] <ScottK> Not that the other skill sets aren't equally important, but they're somewhat orthogonal to the "Do I trust you to be able to upload anything?" question.
[20:20] <mhb> but not anyone can be a "core developer"
[20:20] <nixternal> but that doesn't mean they are working on the core of ubuntu
[20:20] <mhb> just packagers
[20:21] <nixternal> so you are saying then is that packagers aren't developers..is that what you are trying to distinguish?
[20:21] <mhb> not all developers are packagers, yes
[20:21] <mhb> but all people labeled as "core developers" are packagers
[20:21] <ScottK> nixternal: We're just monkeys stuffing coders marvelous code into packages.
[20:21] <mhb> which means all developers who're not packagers are not part of the core
[20:21] <nixternal> I guess so
[20:22] <nixternal> packagers are developers though
[20:22] <mhb> sure
[20:22] <Tm_T> nixternal: hi :))
[20:22] <Tm_T> and hi to others too
[20:23] <nixternal> marketing people are developers, documentation writers are developers, artists are developers
[20:23] <mhb> right
[20:23] <mhb> but noone is part of the core unless he does packages
[20:23] <mhb> and that's what I find silly.
[20:23] <nixternal> they can contribute to the core, but they don't maintain or control the core
[20:23] <Tm_T> even us "irritating users" are developers ;--P
[20:26] <mhb> well, back to being a totally worthless guy :o)
[20:27] <mhb> ScottK: good luck tomorrow (or when it starts)
[20:27] <mhb> ah, splendid
[20:28] <ScottK> mhb: It's Tuesday.  Thanks.
[20:31] <mhb> http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=updatetd0.png
[20:31] <mhb> I'm still struggling with the idea of making a new "Update your computer" icon
[20:32] <nixternal> that icon reminds me of a "syncronization" icon or such
[20:32] <mhb> hrm.
[20:33] <nixternal> though I have noticed that many OSs and applications tend to use it for an updating symbol though
[20:33] <mhb> yes
[20:33] <nixternal> would be better if it was animated
[20:33] <mhb> I've managed to make sure KDE is using a different icon for "Refresh" and "Reboot"
[20:34] <nixternal> otherwise I would think it is just a quick launch for my synchronization application
[20:35] <mhb> hrm.
[20:36] <ScottK> Maybe a small explosion (click on this or your computer will melt).
[20:36] <nixternal> http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/omt/imgs/updates/mac_update1.jpg
[20:36] <nixternal> like something along the lines of the image in the top left of the mac updater
[20:38] <mhb> I can't really say the "globe" helps
[20:38] <mhb> what does it mean?
[20:38] <nixternal> software updating
[20:38] <nixternal> granted I would think of "webpage refreshing" with it
[20:38] <mhb> I don't really associate a globe with software
[20:38] <nixternal> something like a software box with those arrows
[20:39] <nixternal> or the package icon used with Adept
[20:39] <mhb> what you should tell is "you're refreshing your desktop"
[20:39] <mhb> but not rebooting
[20:39] <nixternal> reboot icon should be a boot with the letters "RE" superimposed :p
[20:39] <mhb> heh, that'd be too english-centric
[20:39] <nixternal> true
[20:40] <nixternal> but set it up like the keyboard locales with the flags
[20:40] <nixternal> each LANG gets its own meaning :)
[20:40] <mhb> I'm not sure how you say "reboot" in Germand, but it would be something with "wieder"
[20:44] <mhb> aaah, inspiration
[20:44] <jpatrick> http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&service=en-de&opterrors=0&optpro=0&query=reboot&iservice=&comment=
[20:44] <nixternal> ~hehe
[20:44] <nixternal> wow, just made a laugh a destructor...WATCH OUT!
[20:48] <jpatrick> great website that^^
[20:49] <nixternal> I love how our professor tries to trick us with "Explain why requirements models are logical models rather than physical models."
[20:50] <jjesse> i use imaginary numbers then
[20:50] <nixternal> lol
[20:50] <Tm_T> nixternal: any news about our shipment?
[20:50] <nixternal> haven't gotten anything yet Tm_T
[20:50] <Tm_T> roger :)
[20:51] <Tm_T> I will be bit "away" for some time (lost my adsl connection perhaps for a week) :-P
[20:51] <nixternal> ouch
[20:54] <mhb> argh
[21:01] <mhb> http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9233/update1ca9.png
[21:01] <mhb> guess what made me sad
[21:02] <Tm_T> me?
[21:02] <mhb> no, I mean after I looked at the picture
[21:03] <Tm_T> mmmgh, still me?
[21:03] <mhb> close, but no
[21:04] <jpatrick> the fact that it's our logo?
[21:04] <smarter> mhb: It's the kanonical logo? :)
[21:05] <mhb> smarter: yeah.
[21:05] <mhb> I felt at first that a cycle with our colours would do a good update icon
[21:06] <mhb> a) it's a cycle, symbol of refreshing, updating b) it still resembles Kubuntu, i.e. that what is to be updated
[21:07] <mhb> but I guess canonical would protest, so I have to build on this idea a little more
[21:17] <mhb> http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7384/update2gt9.png
[21:17] <mhb> I think I'm getting close
[21:18] <mhb> so, do you like the idea?
[21:18] <mhb> of course, the implementation is crude
[21:24] <Nightrose> hmm i think something is wrong with ktorrent kde4´s desktop file - I can´t open a torrent with it from within firefox and when i download it and open it from dolphin I get an error and ktoorent gets opened with the torrent correctly - can someone try confirm that?
[21:25] <Nightrose> +to
[21:26] <mhb> arr, torrents be bad for your health :o)
[21:26] <mhb> nah, just kidding. I can't.
[21:27] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:27] <Nightrose> I wnatz my torrentz *g*
[21:27] <Nightrose> well it works when I download them and open from dolphin - but that is not really comfortable
[21:44] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken
[21:44] <_StefanS_> manchicken: still working on adept for kde3?
[21:45] <manchicken> I haven't been for a while.
[21:57] <jpatrick> smarter: you may want to add another user id to your key (smarter@ubuntu.com for example)
[21:58] <smarter> jpatrick: I've an ID for my @ubuntu and @gmail address
[21:58] <smarter> but I don't think I send the @ubuntu one online
[21:59] <jpatrick> hmm
[21:59] <smarter> And I hope that spammers don't read ubuntu irc logs :)
[22:00] <jpatrick> don't worry, @ubuntu addresses get spammed anyway
[22:00]  * coreymon77 writes down the emails on his spam list
[22:01] <jpatrick> hi vorian
[22:01] <vorian> hello jpatrick
[22:02] <daskreech> !info lemonpos hardy
[22:02] <ubotu> Package lemonpos does not exist in hardy
[22:02] <vorian> lol
[22:02] <daskreech> !info lemonpos-kde4 hardy
[22:02] <ubotu> Package lemonpos-kde4 does not exist in hardy
[22:02] <daskreech> grrr
[22:02] <vorian> err
[22:02] <jpatrick> daskreech: it's in NEW
[22:02] <vorian> !info kgrab-kde4
[22:02] <ubotu> Package kgrab-kde4 does not exist in gutsy
[22:03] <vorian> !info kgrab-kde4 hardy
[22:03] <ubotu> Package kgrab-kde4 does not exist in hardy
[22:03] <daskreech> ah ok :)
[22:03] <vorian> silly ubotu
[22:03] <vorian> very exciting though :)
[22:03] <vorian> i'll have to open a little store so I can use it
[22:04]  * daskreech has one you can borrow
[22:04] <vorian> really?
[22:04] <vorian> is it mexico too?
[22:04] <vorian> :D
[22:04] <daskreech> >_>
[22:04] <daskreech> <_<
[22:05] <daskreech> Not if the wrong people ask
[22:05] <vorian> haha
[22:12] <jpatrick> !yay | jp's first package in Debian: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=jpatrick@kubuntu.org \o/
[22:12] <ubotu> jp's first package in Debian: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=jpatrick@kubuntu.org \o/: Glad you made it! :-)
[22:13] <vorian> congrats jpatrick :)
[22:13] <smarter> jpatrick: congrats :)
[22:13] <jpatrick> still have to get the other 6 in my todo in but, oh well :) thanks
[22:14] <smarter> jpatrick: I'm still not sure what I should do with the oxygen cursor set
[22:14] <jpatrick> smarter: what did apachelogger_ say?
[22:14] <smarter> the package is now in sid(http://packages.debian.org/sid/oxygencursors) but the package has a still a not standard name and some .svgs files left in the .diff.gz
[22:15] <smarter> apachelogger_: what did you say? :)
[22:16] <jpatrick> smarter: I think merging the package from sid in and making the necessary changes would be the best way
[22:45] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55282/ - heh, we have a whole row of Kubuntu devs now :)
[22:48] <jpatrick> I'm off to bed, night!
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> night
[22:49] <smarter> 'night mate
[22:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: kubuntu bingo?
[22:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: and looks like you're the winner at the top!
[23:42]  * nosrednaekim has added himself as a agenda item :)
[23:46] <Riddell> yay
[23:46] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: got a wiki page?
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Nosrednaekim