[00:00] should I have seen a new theme when I updated to hardy? [00:00] no. [00:00] simple enough [00:01] that'll come down the pipes at some point though, yes? [00:01] the website has all the details about that [00:02] ubutnu artwork, the wiki? [00:02] Tuv0k: "the website"? [00:04] http://www.breakitdownblog.com/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-to-get-new-theme/ [00:04] why do people hate google? [00:05] Covered in brief detail (yet to be filled out) the Ubuntu Wiki describes that every LTS (Long Term Support) release of Ubuntu, next of which will be the 8.04 release next year) should have a fresh theme to it. [00:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy [00:06] that webpage [00:06] Tuv0k: People come in here looking for answers, not looking for people to tell them to google it. [00:06] ppl shoudl use googel first [00:06] as has always been the norm [00:06] this is the devlopemnt channel, not #ubuntu [00:07] and, btw, he got answers [00:07] you and he may not like those answers, but they are the correct answers [00:07] I did not type rtfm [00:07] or some such blow off [00:08] I even did the work for him [00:08] yeah you explained it all nicely [00:08] "nicely" [00:09] I think he'll speak up if his feelings were hurt [00:20] truecrypt finally has a gui [00:20] is 5.0 it in the repos? [00:20] -it* [00:20] !info truecrypt hardy [00:20] Package truecrypt does not exist in hardy [00:20] ..oh [00:20] The bot may not be updated to use hardy info yet. [00:21] oh, ok [00:21] !info kubuntu-desktop hardy [00:21] kubuntu-desktop (source: kubuntu-meta): Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.63 (hardy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB [00:21] Guess it is. :) [00:21] !find truecrypt hardy [00:21] Package/file truecrypt does not exist in hardy [00:21] looks like we made our own GUI.. they did take a while.. [00:21] Easy Crypt.. [00:22] so, now that i don't have anything to hide anymore.. they have more than one gui for linux [00:22] ^_^ [00:22] Dr_willis: you dont need to specify 'hardy' for !find/!info in this channel, it knows ;) [00:23] Pici, i wanted to be extra sure. :P [00:24] actually.. you can always come up with something worth keeping private.. like journals [00:24] in any case, I'm glad we finally got this far, it's a nice development [00:27] omg i have reconfigured and rebooted my router during downloading daily build... and finally MD5 is correct! i can't believe... [00:27] lz7: the package was fixed yesterday. [00:27] er [00:28] with my slow connection i even not trying to download dvds [00:28] Nevermind me, I'm thinking of something else. Too used to people asking Flash questions in #ubuntu. [00:32] hello [00:33] Hey, is anyone else having trouble with Network in Natilus? [00:33] yes its not work [00:33] k [00:35] !bug 185756 [00:35] Launchpad bug 185756 in nautilus "Couldn't display "network:///" - Nautilus cannot handle network:locations" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185756 [00:37] thanks lz7 its a big one [00:38] I noticed that the fuse-smb tool dosent work either. [00:39] Dr_willis: reported it? [00:40] Well it sort of worked..once.. then dident. :) then i had to go to work. [00:40] Havent updated in 4 days. so not tried again. [00:41] actually - it may of been it was broke on the upgrade i did. I need to try it again on this clean install to be sure. [00:42] k === crd1b is now known as crdlb [00:52] is network device handled differently in hardy compared to gusty? [00:57] trying o figure out why daul nvidia nics mcp55 ethernet nics are detected and configured but can't access the net or local network [00:59] can you connect with ifconfig? [00:59] i run ifconfig from the command line and it shows the cards [01:00] i had to install an old pci linksys network card to connect to the net [01:01] the nvidia nics worked fine in gusty just not hardy [01:01] even did a fresh install of gusty then upgraded to hardy and they stopped working [01:01] then did a fresh install of hardy [01:04] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55159/ [01:04] lime4x4:I'm having same problem with my intel wireless - I have to configure it manually [01:05] lime4x4: what does ifconfig say? [01:05] i used the manual settings thru system/adminstration/network [01:05] here is a copy of the ifconfig command http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55159/ [01:06] i have 2 built in nvidia nics. i have one disabled in the bios thinking that was the problem [01:07] just odd that there detected but can't use them [01:07] lime4x4: looks like you have 2 nics on same subnet - that could be the problem [01:08] i also had them on the same subnet with gutsy and it worked. [01:08] plus if i remove the linksys card i still can't connect to the net [01:10] lime4x4: strange - usually with 2 cards on same subnet it doesn't work reliably [01:11] i know but it worked fine in gutsy cause i needed 2 nics and still do [01:11] cause one nic i setup a bridge on for virtual box [01:12] but the nvidia nics didn't work once hardy was installed even when i have only on enabled [01:19] this is strange i changed the subnet of eth0 to 255.255.255.128 now when i try to ping my router it can't. it's trying to use the ip of eth0 [01:19] i have to sudo ifconfig eth0 down to ping my router or any computers on my network [01:20] Alpha 4 gives me a resolution of 800x600 after installing Nvidia driver, while my card can handle 1024x768 , how can I fix this? [01:20] but yet when i eth0 up i can access the web [01:21] lime 4x4: are you using eth0 from virtual box? [01:21] is anybody able to use sftp in nautilus with a different port then 22? [01:22] no i tried that as well just for the hell of it and it doesn't work [01:22] i actually removed the bridge to help diagnosis this problem [01:24] anyone please? [01:26] what is avahi? i mean ubuntu configured eth1:avahi interface for me, but how to use it? [01:26] what service is available? [01:26] on that interface [01:28] Amaranth, can you help me? [01:54] i hear epiphany doesn't have a 2.21 compatible version of epiphany-extensions yet [01:55] avahi is part of the zeroconf auto-configuration stuff I belive. :) not really sure how/what it does. [01:55] one of those works in progress things I belive. [01:55] But hes gone.. so phhhhhhht. :) === jacobmp92 is now known as jacob [01:58] is hibernation slated to be fixed for those with problems in the next release? [01:58] Hibernation will be "fixed" when laptop manufacturers follow standards. [01:59] I'd expect more laptops to work correctly, though. [01:59] unagi: You might want to see Matthew Garrett's LCA talk, however, which dealt with exactly that. [02:00] there is a way to get it working using s2hdd or something like that [02:01] For sufficiently woolly definitions of "it", I think. [02:02] mmm its not an ideal fix [02:02] There are a variety of suspend/hibernate frameworks, and different ones seem to work better for different hardware. [02:02] its what we have to live with [02:05] ok, so I tried to jump from dapper to alpha 4... X is obviously out of the question for now. My question, then is: How do I get dpkg --configure -a to run successfully to fix that which definitely didn't install correctly prior to my reboot (which was necessary due to power issues in my area) [02:05] What can I tell you about what I see, in order for some help [02:05] ? [02:12] RAOF: can you help me get eth0 back? [02:15] * DanaG uses suspend to RAM. [02:16] It works sometimes, but other times it doesn't. === crd1b is now known as crdlb [02:22] hardy keep forgeting keyboard layout switching keys, i have to recheck it to work [02:23] lz7: what layout? [02:24] usa/rus, and i use alt_shift to switch [02:24] oh, ok [02:24] the keyboard layout system in hardy does seem a bit problematic [02:25] i would expect many major issues to be fixed by alpha5 [02:25] nice [02:26] if all your problems remain the same major ones, you don't get enough focus on minor regressions and such [02:26] i understand they prioritize well [02:27] of course, that also means that our problem likely won't be fixed until Screens and Graphics and networking in nautilus work again [02:27] I've also had it not remember my layout. [02:27] Oh, and Timidity keeps freezing. [02:28] timidity? midi player? [02:28] I'll ctrl-backslash it to try to get a core dump, but it doesn't give me one. [02:28] Yes, midi player. [02:28] ooh, i like the idea of playing source files [02:28] instead of compiled sound files ;) [02:29] maybe i just want a media player that can do rosegarden project files ^_^ [02:32] I hate-eth the new CFS scheduler. [02:32] Makes Compiz slower; makes unminimizing windows in Compiz make all of Compiz freeze for a moment; makes Timidity freeze; makes audio drop out (in PulseAudio, and even in bare ALSA if I close my lid). [02:33] guys why is it that I'm not getting any updates to the grub2 package :( [02:35] does gnome trying to switch to SI ? my 250 gb drives now showing on my desktop like "250.1 gb media" and not a 232 gb like was before... and, some programs use gibi... probably better user to decide for all programs, like if he prefer giga or gibi [02:37] good size of files still in old school kilobytes =) [02:38] ! info grub2 [02:38] grub2 (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.95+20071101-1 (hardy), package size 3 kB, installed size 84 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 powerpc ppc64) [02:39] see, it still shows the 1.95+20071101-1 version & not the 1.96+2008020? don't remember the exact date but something like that. It did get built yesterday. [02:40] lz7: I think there's a general, low-grade push for SI over powers-of-two-that-are-close-to-powers-of-ten. But no one's pushing it particularly hard. [02:40] !info grub-pc hardy [02:40] grub-pc (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.95+20071101-1 (hardy), package size 848 kB, installed size 2356 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 powerpc ppc64) [02:40] Is there a "what opens this type of file" app? [02:40] I wanna find out what to open AutoCAD dwg files with. [02:40] DanaG: There's xdg-open, which will *open* them for you. Maybe it's got a --which switch? [02:40] RAOF: Can u find about what blocks grub-pc hardy for the jump [02:41] Nope, doesn't work for not-installed apps. [02:41] DanaG: Of course; it doesn't have their mime-types registered! [02:42] That's the point: I want to find out what package will provide something to open it. [02:42] RAOF: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/1.96+20080203-1 [02:42] That sounds like a job for gnome-app-install! Or possibly command-not-found... [02:43] DanaG: That would be an excellent feature, and if it doesn't already exist it would not be *too* hard to implement. [02:43] Of course, if it doesn't exist now it's not going to be in Hardy, but it could make Hardy+1. [02:43] gnome-app-install --mime-type=AutoCAD [02:43] not offering packages for AutoCAD [02:43] no entry in mime map [02:44] (got "AutoCAD" from 'file') [02:45] Gaack, I'm also getting momentary freezes on maximizing things. [02:45] shirish: Looks like it's just waiting in the new queue; it'll get through there sometime. [02:45] All of compiz will freeze for a split second when I unminimize stuff. [02:45] actually drives showing like 250 on desktop but like 232 in "Places" at the same time... :/ [02:46] * DanaG has a redundant "Bookmarks" folder with an out-of-place old-looking icon. [02:47] Oh, and every time I unminimize an app, compiz-fusion moves around the snowglobe's ground. [02:47] btw compiz 0.7 is out [02:48] ...And in Hardy [02:48] * RAOF is obviously out of touch with the cool compiz users. "Snowglobe"? [02:49] already? you mean pre-release version? and... title windows artefacts is still there [02:49] aptitude changelog compiz Ign ChangeLog of compiz E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs /pool/main/c/compiz/compiz_0.7.0-0ubuntu1/changelog E: Couldn't find a changelog for compiz [02:50] lz7: You mean the clearlooks bug that's... a clearlooks bug? :) [02:50] dissapearing maximize/close buttons [02:51] Yah. From memory, that's a clearlooks bug? [02:51] how to know what version of compiz i running? i tried compiz --version, it says compiz 0.5.5 ?? [02:51] i dont know [02:51] it should be 0.7 new [02:52] now* [02:52] i though .7 just came out [02:52] Do the MOTU need any help with it? [02:52] yes [02:52] Heh. "compiz --version" says "metacity 2.21.8" for me :P [02:52] like came out today... :) [02:52] yes ^_^ [02:52] they added it to the repo that fast eh. [02:52] maybe i overestimate the speed of source [02:53] i don't know; i would think it was awesome if they had [02:53] for hardy alpha anyway [02:53] The Ubuntu compiz packagers are fairly heavily involved upstream. [02:53] sweet-- now the KDE folks were talking about some wm shortcomings of compiz [02:53] anyone know what they were talking about? [02:54] It doesn't have a context menu with 13 different window options? :P [02:54] * Dr_willis has no clue. [02:54] : [02:54] It's not as complete a window manager as, say, metacity. There are still some corner cases it doesn't handle as well. [02:54] what problem i have with compiz is games freeze X with effects enabled [02:55] maybe its fixed in 0.7 [02:55] like snap to on bottom and top simultaneously freaking out? [02:55] Right. Not actually a Compiz problem, likely. [02:55] i usually switch from compiz before executing GL games like trem [02:55] ive had windows do a mazamize animation.. and get stuck wiggling about for a few min. :) [02:55] ethana2: That'd be a wobbly bug; that works OK with non-wobbly windows :) [02:55] is this actually needed? [02:56] hmmmm.. i don't use wobbly [02:56] due to what Dr_willis just said happening to me a lot [02:56] ethana2: It shouldn't be, but X & driver (& compiz) bugs exist. [02:56] yeah.. [02:56] wait, it doesn't even need two edges to do that [02:57] it just freaks out when i try to pull a window along an edge [02:57] keeps resetting my cursor location [02:57] as if the window is resisting me, you know [02:57] Resistance is Futile! [02:57] :) [02:58] you know how the wobbly thing resist ones cursor? [02:58] !bug 153857 [02:58] Launchpad bug 153857 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[rv350] games crash X or freeze system if compiz is turned on" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153857 [02:58] i don't see a point to that, ever [02:59] well why would i even want my DE in RAM while playing a game? [02:59] the ps3 doesn't have enough ram for that [02:59] once they get GL up on gallium on the SPE's, that will be an issue [02:59] the whole DE should hibernate- gaming mode [02:59] the best of consoles, the best of the desktop, 15 seconds away from eachother [03:02] i love ideapool... [03:03] RAOF: Is there a way to see the queue as to what updates are coming up next & when? [03:04] well [03:04] that would siphon effort off of actually /making them happen/, imo.. [03:05] or anybody else if they know, ethana2 & DanaG [03:05] Well, there's probably a list of what's been committed but not yet compiled, or compiled but not yet been sent to mirrors. [03:05] shiris1: No. [03:09] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Hardy-changes [03:09] there. [03:10] Not quite, IIRC. That's a mailing-list version of the upload notification. Those packages may well still be stuck in the new queue for an indeterminate period of time. === roe is now known as roe_ === shiris1 is now known as shirish [03:13] DanaG: RAOF is right, I got the notification on the ML about 15 hours ago, the same one which u are talking about. [03:15] RAOF: just like the build queue it would be nicer if there was an updates queue which one could look into :( [03:16] The new queue is what you're after, but it's not necessarily done in that order and it's got no ETA on it. [03:16] RAOF: so the only thing one can do is sit, wait, pray & hope it comes ? [03:17] It's going to come (presumably; unless it gets rejected), but yes. It gets done when it gets done. [03:18] hmm.... ok it comes when it comes. [03:22] cat /proc/cpuinfo showing incorrect cpu speed 1200 idle or 1800 on load, this is default values, but cpu is overclocled, it should be 1600 and 2400. and kern.log showing "time.c: detected 2401.920 MHz processor" cpu is core 2 duo [03:23] mmm showing=shows [03:24] It's probably reporting what the ACPI tables (or whatever it is) report your throttling states are, and hence doesn't know you've voided your warrantee :) [04:08] so does hardy support nvidia 8800 cards? === awalton__dos is now known as awalton__ [04:38] thecrypto: Yes, it does support 8800 cards. You either want nvidia-glx-new (binary blob), xserver-xorg-video-nv (open source, no 3d), or you can try xserver-xorg-video-nouveau from my PPA, which may well not quite work right. [05:14] my sister got a virus [05:14] on her windows machine [05:14] natures way of saying 'get a better frigging operating system!' [05:17] Anybody know where to find fontconfig 2.5.0-2ubuntu1? [05:17] That's the last version that had working 'legacy' hinting. [05:18] DanaG, source or binary package? [05:18] Either is fine, as long as I'd be able to build the source. [05:19] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/2.5.0-2ubuntu1 [05:19] they've even got the binary packages ? [05:20] I don't know, actually. [05:21] And I don't know how to build from those three files. [05:22] DanaG, this might be more useful for you then,https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/2.5.0-2ubuntu1/+build/463973 [05:22] click resulting binaries :p [05:22] OOh, thanks! [05:23] What is 'udeb'? [05:23] ignore udeb unless you know what it is [05:24] Aah, that's a good answer. [05:24] And I just read the description: Minimal. (Probably for the Debian installer mode that looks like X but really isn't.) [05:25] DanaG: Indeed; they're packages for the installer. [05:26] I've also wondered what that pinkish theme in the Debian Etch installer (I tried in a VM a while ago) is. It's not installed on the final system. [05:27] It's one of the few things I've seen do pink well, to where even though I'm male, I might even consider using it. [05:27] Gentoo does its purple well, too. [05:28] Now to log out and back in to see how well that fontconfig works. [05:28] this doesn't do pink well enoguh for you? [05:29] http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Widget+Background%3A+Fluffy+Bunny+?content=74480 [05:29] Eek! [05:31] damnit, that time Xorg got 'super' stuck down. [05:34] damn again, that time it was both shift and super. [05:34] That's royally screwed up. [05:36] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 [05:36] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:55] Hmm, fonts are still not working with 'legacy'. [05:55] I'm going to try the Feisty debs. [06:10] I'M REALLY GETTING TIRED OF THIS! [06:11] stupid keyboard stuckiness. [06:11] Every one of those times of me quitting was due to my 'super' key getting stuck. [06:12] !smash Xorg [06:12] Sorry, I don't know anything about smash xorg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [06:13] oops, command is for a different channel. [06:13] (22:13:07) nerfle: ME ANGRY! ME SMASH Xorg! [06:18] I am sick and tired of my ******* keys getting stuck! [06:20] DanaG: i got a shift and enter key thatd oes that [06:20] err.. brb.. more issues [06:20] i've learned not to use my backspace [06:20] ^_^ [06:22] Well, at least my fonts are back to the way I like them. [06:22] I had to go back to the Feisty debs. [06:26] AND AGAIN! [06:28] http://qaz.pastebin.org/18670 [06:28] sup DanaG [06:29] Just "Super". [06:29] "Super" keeps getting stuck. [06:29] And it's kinda' hard to type with 'super' stuck down. [06:29] hehe [06:29] meh [06:29] new keyboard time [06:29] alt gets stuck here [06:29] btw: any of you guys use mythtv? [06:30] everytime i click on watch tv .. it just refreshes.. and does nothing [06:30] It's not my keyboard. [06:30] It's Xorg. [06:30] Ctrl-alt-backspace fixes it. [06:30] That's why I keep popping out and in. [06:30] Every single one of those times was 'super' (or 'super' and 'shift') getting stuck. [06:30] Assid, /join #ubuntu-mythtv [06:30] but yes I use it [06:30] all the time [06:31] Tuv0k: im there.. but having no luck [06:31] i got a hauppage 150 [06:31] me too [06:31] everything seems fine but when i click on watch tv.. it just refreshes [06:32] I don't see you in that channel? [06:32] however [06:32] remove and readd your card to the backend [06:32] oh wait.. ubuntu-mythtv [06:32] i was in mythtv-users [06:32] yes [06:32] err.. it detects my card fine [06:32] thats the funny part [06:33] thats beside my point [06:33] try it, then report [06:33] according to system status.. my tuner status is unavailable [06:33] eh ? [06:34] precisey [06:34] resetup? [06:34] are you going to now heed the advice which you sought? [06:35] i was waiting for more than 1 year for linux to support my tv-tuner lol pathetic [06:35] hyperbole [06:35] and it is not in 7.10 yet, only in hardy [06:36] should have bought a supported card [06:36] stupid xorg. [06:36] not the other way around [06:36] err. let me first check if the darn cable wire is working.. i just added it and "crimped it" never really tested it [06:37] lol [06:37] electrician said "should work " [06:37] are thedirections I gave too involved? [06:37] I have the same card [06:37] removing and re-adding ? [06:37] i set it up for client server [06:37] I told you what was required, yet you dally? [06:37] and btw hardy not supported my tv-tuner yet lol, only s-video input... [06:38] but it is ok, i use tv-tuner only to play ps2 on my pc [06:38] Tuv0k: when it was scanning.. it found some channels.., so i just dont get how the status goes off [06:38] but ok.. removing and re-adding [06:38] brb [06:39] you have to log out to do that? [06:39] no i know i should check my hardware for compatibility with linux, but how to check it? i doubt any vendor tell that [06:39] no=now [06:40] before i buy [06:40] nonsense [06:40] how about checking mythtvs website? [06:40] like most ppl do? [06:40] you know, reading [06:41] hauppage even not selling in my country [06:41] Oh, for **** sake, when will the keyboard insanity end? [06:41] and to be compatible, you need OLD models [06:41] they not selling anymore, and i want new [06:41] what country you live in where you can't order from ebay? [06:42] i dont buy ebay stuff [06:42] lol [06:42] AND AGAIN! [06:42] AND AGAIN! [06:42] AND AGAIN! [06:51] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10050544/fonts.png [06:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/153412 [06:51] Launchpad bug 153412 in ubuntu "inferior subpixel hinting on gutsy compared to previous versions of Ubuntu - no way to revert to previous hinting method" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:52] DanaG, having fun with fonts? [06:52] back [06:52] okay it seems it was on /dev/video1 now no more video0 [06:52] oh hey, do we have a list of acpi hardware we have drivers for? [06:52] More like, having fun with my damn Super key. [06:52] so i fixed that.. and also rebooted.. seems to show up ok.. BUT i still get the watch live to only refresh [06:52] lol. don't you mean Windows Key :p [06:53] super [06:53] when windows has long died, we won't have to change the name that way [06:53] ;) [06:54] the only way microsoft could fold is if the USA collapsed AND then it suffered a lack of customers [06:55] they can continue their business purely off the interest from the bank :p [06:55] err. who was i speaking to? [06:55] i gotta do something about my memory [06:56] use logs! [06:56] just installed kvirc :( [06:56] DarkMageZ: i said windows, not microsoft [06:56] DarkMageZ: although i would like to see them both go, I guess [06:57] Oh hey, did anybody else here like the Feisty font rendering better than the Gutsy font rendering? [06:57] oh found it.. Tuv0k [06:57] ethana2, that's an interesting thought. microsoft dropping their windows product. [06:57] you'd require some massive market shifting. [06:58] damnflabbit. [06:58] DarkMageZ: like the massive shift to OSX and Linux, that would do it ;) [06:58] And it happened AGAIN. [06:58] It's like russian roulette pressing the damn key. [06:58] back in 30, taking shower [06:58] s/damn/super/ [06:59] ethana2, you'd need to develop an active directory replacement, so that businesses would transition. [06:59] OSX? "Many popular operating system platforms -- most notably Windows and Macintosh -- are in fact created by agents of mind control." [07:03] Fonts are still ugly! [07:04] Tuv0k: i did what you asked me to do.. but i still cant see it [07:04] I want my nice crisp rendering back (i.e. why do you need to put colors to the sides of already perfectly vertical lines?) [07:04] ethana2: thats mostly because people are pissed off with windows [07:04]