[00:05] <Peng> Why does the PPA link on http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download link to edge?
[00:06] <Peng> The link on http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads doesn't.
[00:08] <beuno> Peng, I suppose it's a mistake
[00:09] <beuno> Peng, removed it
[01:54] <c1|freaky> can i see a demo of bzr webserve somewhere?
[02:07] <Halo_117> hiu
[03:08] <m3ga> people, are there any known issues in doing 'bzr pull' over http from gutsy's bzr when the machine it is pulling from has hardy's bzr?
[03:10] <m3ga> 'bzr check' on heron says it has 28 revisions, i pull on the gutsy machine, it says 'all ok' but 'bzr check' says 27 revisions. wtf?
[03:18] <Peng> m3ga: Perhaps you uncommitted?
[03:18] <Peng> m3ga: If you run "bzr uncommit", the revision is removed from the branch's history, but not the repo.
[03:19] <Peng> m3ga: If you're using a shared repo, maybe there are differences among other branches?
[03:19] <Peng> m3ga: See https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive about adding Bazaar's apt repo to your sources.list so you can get 1.1 on Gutsy.
[03:20] <Peng> m3ga: 1.0 and 1.1 should interoperate fine, but 1.1 is 17% more awesome.
[03:21] <c1|freaky> is there a tool for bzr like trac for subversion - with a homepage and screenshots?
[03:21] <c1|freaky> because the the bzr-trac plugin doesnt work or look ugly
[03:21] <c1|freaky> *and
[03:25] <jelmer> well, there is launchpad
[03:25] <Peng> Yeah.
[03:25] <jelmer> what's wrong with trac-bzr
[03:26] <jelmer> ?
[03:26] <Peng> Trac sucks at DVCSes?
[03:26] <Peng> Which I've heard might get better in the next release.
[03:26]  * Peng shrugs.
[03:27] <jelmer> Yes, trac sucks.. but afaik there's nothing better
[03:27] <c1|freaky> jelmer: some views don't work as i've heard from someone else and theres a "," in front of the rivision number which i dont want
[03:27] <jelmer> c1|freaky: All of the views work for us...
[03:28] <jelmer> http://bugs.bitlbee.org/bitlbee/
[03:28] <jelmer> uses trac-bzr
[03:29] <c1|freaky> i still don't like that ","
[03:30] <jelmer> it should be possible to patch the trac-bzr plugin
[03:31]  * TFKyle thinks bitlbee needs a better logo :P
[03:33] <c1|freaky> i can't write python code
[03:33] <jelmer> TFKyle, :-) We do actually have a more formal one, http://www.bitlbee.org/style/logo.png
[03:44] <rolly> Is it the case that "bzr commit" will always create a new revision with revno+1?
[03:45] <Peng> Yes?
[03:45] <rolly> Put it another way, if I commit changes in a working tree, will the new revision always be "bzr revno" + 1?
[03:45] <rolly> even if there is a shared repo somewhere, right?
[03:45] <Peng> Shared repos are irrelevant.
[03:46] <Peng> They're just a performance optimization.
[03:46] <rolly> OK I thought so. Thanks
[03:46] <rolly> Coming from SVN world, which is very different
[03:46] <Peng> If you're using a checkout and it's out-of-date, I don't know if bzr will stop you from committing or if you could commit and wind up with a revno incremented by more than 1.
[03:46] <rolly> Ah, yeah
[03:47] <rolly> I'll check that case out
[03:47] <Peng> Why do you want to know?
[03:50] <rolly> I'm writing some scripts to automate versioning my database, and I'd like the generated scripts to be saved with the next revision in the filename, like "r345-DATA-FORWARD-CRUD.SQL"
[03:51] <rolly> (scripts that get run right before commit)
[03:56] <Peng> You create new files for every revision?
[03:57] <rolly> yep
[03:59] <rolly> not the actual dumps, but the diffs
[05:07] <pattern> any opinions on scmbug?
[05:09] <Peng> scmbug?
[05:10] <pattern> scmbug "will glue any source code version control system (such as CVS/CVSNT, Subversion, and Git) with any bug tracking system (such as Bugzilla, Mantis, Request Tracker, Test Director)."
[05:10] <pattern> http://freshmeat.net/projects/scmbug/?branch_id=50698
[05:11] <pattern> oh... it's pre-alpha
[05:11] <pattern> nevermind :)
[05:22] <m3ga> question : If I do most of my development on a laptop, with all my bzr branches under a 'bzr' directory in $HOME, what is the best way of backing up all the bzr directories to my desktop machine?
[05:22] <m3ga> rsync is not really an option because I want to avoid anything which isn't actually maintained by bzr.
[05:25] <bob2> there's multi-pull in bzrtools, so you could pull them all into ~/bzr/desktop/ or something
[06:44] <m3ga> hi all, does the  http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/gutsy apt repository have a signing key? the web page http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads says no, but I'm hoping that is out of date.
[06:45] <Peng> You should use PPA now.
[06:45] <Peng> See https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive
[06:48] <m3ga> Peng: can i just replace 'hardy' with 'gutsy' and it will work on 'gutsy'?
[06:50] <Peng> m3ga: Yes. If you have JS enabled, there should be a combobox you can change to do that.
[06:50] <m3ga> hmm, still being told 'bzrtools bzr : Install these packages without verification [y/N]?'
[06:51] <m3ga> JS?
[06:51] <m3ga> I'm using apt-get
[06:52] <m3ga> ok, have the right gutsy lines in sources.list, but I still get 'Install these packages without verification [y/N]?'
[06:52] <m3ga> am I missing a key?
[07:16]  * Peng skims the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. >.>
[07:16] <Peng> m3ga: JS as in JavaScript in the browser you used to view that page.
[07:16] <Peng> m3ga: On keys, I have no idea.
[07:18] <m3ga> thanks Peng. i accepted it without the key. if its malware poolie is in *big* trouble :-)
[07:18] <Peng> Heh.
[07:20] <vinc456> is it possible to "bzr push sftp://centralhost/srv/bzr/X-repo/X-trunk" except specify a port?
[07:21] <bob2> the naive bzr push sftp://centralhost:1234/ seems to work
[07:21] <vinc456> thanks
[08:55] <mkanat> [mkanat@control 02:55:43 loggerhead]$ bzr up
[08:55] <mkanat> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emwhudson/loggerhead/production/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[08:55] <mkanat> Any ideas?
[08:55] <mkanat> Wow, what good timing.
[08:55] <mkanat> mwh: ping
[08:56] <mwh> mkanat: hello
[08:56] <mkanat> mwh: When I try to bzr up my production loggerhead branch, I get: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emwhudson/loggerhead/production/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[08:56] <mwh> mkanat: do you have a checkout?
[08:56] <mkanat> I do.
[08:57] <mwh> well, you don't have commit rights to that branch
[08:57] <mwh> so i suggest you unbind
[08:57] <mkanat> mwh: I can't update because I don't have checkout rights?
[08:57] <mwh> i think that's a bzr bug
[08:57] <mwh> but if you can't write to the branch then there's not a lot of _point_ having a checkout
[08:58] <mkanat> mwh: I suppose so.
[08:58] <mkanat> mwh: It was just the workflow I'm used to.
[08:58] <mwh> fair enough
[08:58] <mkanat> mwh: By the way, have you found out anything about what causes the crazy memory consumption?
[08:59] <mwh> mkanat: i haven't, i'm afraid :(
[08:59] <mwh> mkanat: i've been busy moving half-way around the world...
[08:59] <mkanat> mwh: Oh! From where to where?
[08:59] <mwh> uk to nz
[08:59] <mkanat> Ah, wow, that really IS half-way around the world.
[09:00] <mwh> yup
[09:00] <mkanat> mwh: Have you noticed that ./start-loggerhead.py binds to stderr and doesn't let go, or something?
[09:01] <mwh> anyway, it's 2200 on a saturday so i'm afk really
[09:01] <mwh> mkanat: yes
[09:01] <mkanat> mwh: Ah, okay.
[09:01] <mwh> start-loggerhead is terrible
[09:01] <mkanat> Yeah.
[09:01] <mkanat> Is there something better I can use?
[09:08] <mkanat> I'll leave you be. :-)
[09:16] <Debolaz> It's an mkanat :)
[09:16] <mkanat> Ha! Hey there Debolaz. :-)
[09:18] <mkanat> Okay, bedtime. :-) Night folks.
[11:32] <m3ga> lifeless: any idea how to fix my 'bzr upgrade' issue from the bzr mailing list?
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[12:02] <bob2> depends how you want to resolve it.  if you want to accept the deletion, "bzr rm foo ; bzr resolved foo".
[12:03] <bronger> Yes, it should be deleted. But foo doesn't exist anymore.  Bazaar has renamed it to foo.THIS.  Should I re-rename it first?
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[12:16] <bob2> bronger: ah, no, just "bzr rm foo.THIS ; bzr resolved foo"
[12:18] <bronger> Too late.  ;-)
[12:19] <bob2> hrm, I meant, "yes", you can either rename it or use the new name :)
[12:19] <bronger> Well, actually, I did the same.  But any "remerge" brought the conflict back.  So I just commited everything after "resolve".
[12:20] <bronger> A lot of spam here ... maybe someone should move this to a Jabber server.
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[13:42] <tca> Using saved location: sftp://tomcato@solfege.org/home/tomcato/public_html/solfege/bzr/solfege.dev/
[13:42] <tca> tomcato@solfege.org's password:
[13:42] <tca> bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/home/tom/src/solfege.repo/.bzr/repository/packs/57ef8c47990febd43519344e914a055a.pack': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'/home/tom/src/solfege.repo/.bzr/repository/packs/57ef8c47990febd43519344e914a055a.pack'
[13:43] <jelmer> Hi tca
[13:43] <tca> I did "bzr push" from a lightweight checkout of a repo, to push to the mirror.
[13:43] <tca> Hi. Should I vorry?
[13:44] <jelmer> tca: I've seen this error before, but I thought it was fixed
[13:44] <jelmer> afaik there is no data loss or anything to worry about
[13:45] <tca> I'm using bazaar 1.1.0
[13:45] <jelmer> tca: I'm not very familiar with the internals of packs. Any chance you can file a bug about this?
[13:46] <tca> I can, but I don't know what I did that should cause this.
[13:56] <tca> A second push command worked file. What are the .pack files?
[13:56] <tca> ...worked fine, i mean.
[13:58] <jelmer> the pack files contain the revisions
[13:59] <jelmer> two or more files sometimes get combined into a single file
[13:59] <tca> In ~/src/solfege.repo/.bzr/repository/packs I only have 7 .pack files, but the repo has more than 700 revisions.
[13:59] <jelmer> yes, a pack file can contain a lot of revisions
[15:05] <val477> Hello! I tried to install bzrGtk 0.93.0 on Windows XP. When I run setup.py install, I get 'error: package directory 'olive' does not exists'. Any idea?
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #190501 in bzr "Unable to handle http code 204" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190501
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #190512 in bzr ""bzr: ERROR: No such file" on bzr push" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190512
[18:09] <jelmer> tca: Thanks
[18:09] <jelmer> tca: And thanks for solfege :-)
[18:17] <VTleinad> Question:  I am trying to set up bazaar on my hosting so I can work on projects with my group members for a class.  The problem is to log in to the hosting, the username is username@domain.com so when I try to run 'bzr ls bzr+ssh://username@domain.com@domain.com/path/to/repo' it doesnt get the username right.  Is there another way to specify the log in name like the -l option in ssh?
[18:20] <VTleinad> for reference, when I run that command, it asks for the password for domain.com@domain.com instead of username@domain.com
[18:23] <bob2> maybe url encode the first one (%40)?
[18:26] <VTleinad> wow that works. Thanks so much
[19:56] <bialix> jelmer: hi
[19:56] <jelmer> bialix: Hi!
[19:56] <bialix> I have a question about bzr-svn
[19:57] <bialix> some svn branches of TortoiseSVN required authentication with login 'guest' and empty password
[19:57] <bialix> unfortunately I have no luck to get this branches with bzr-svn
[19:58] <bialix> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: ".": PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/tortoisesvn/TortoiseOverlays/version-1.0.1'
[19:58] <jelmer> not even if you include "guest@" in the URL?
[19:58] <bialix> yep
[19:58] <jelmer> what version of bzr-svn are you using?
[19:58] <bialix> C:\work\Bazaar\bzr-gtk>bzr branch svn+http://guest@tortoisesvn.tigris.org/svn/tortoisesvn/TortoiseOverlays/version-1
[19:58] <bialix> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: ".": PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/tortoisesvn/TortoiseOverlays/version-1.0.1'
[19:58] <bialix> right now 0.4.8dev0
[19:59] <bialix> revno 900
[19:59] <jelmer> have you tried the trick documented in the FAQ?
[20:00] <bialix> no, I don't have svn installed
[20:00] <bialix> so I need one
[20:00] <bialix> ok, I'll try to install and check this trick
[20:13] <bialix> jelmer: after installing svn and caching auth I'm still can't branch with bzr-svn
[20:13]  * jelmer tries
[20:14] <bialix> I'm installing 1.4.5 svn client
[20:14] <jelmer> it works here
[20:15] <jelmer> how does the svn command line client prompt for the password?
[20:15] <jelmer> windows dilaog box?
[20:15] <bialix> no, usual getpass in console
[20:17] <bialix> btw, the page of Kevin Light with windows bzr-svn package is gone: http://home.comcast.net/~klight/bzr/  :-(
[20:17] <jelmer> yeah, I mailed him about it
[20:17] <bialix> I'm have installer for bzr-svn 0.4.6, but not sure about the rest
[20:35] <jelmer> bialix: if you have python-subverison 1.5 bzr should also be asking you for a password
[20:35] <bialix> hm, I think it's not released yet
[20:36] <jelmer> no, it's not, but you can use trunk
[20:37] <johnny> hmm..
[20:38] <bialix> for non-python programs I'm afraid to use trunk. I did svn co and get the sources
[20:38] <johnny> anybody here that are refugees from monotone ?
[21:16] <rjwf> Hi Bzrlers, ;-)
[21:17] <rjwf> I am having problems with "bzr get lp:viewmail", it resutls in
[21:17] <rjwf> lp:viewmail is redirected to bzr+ssh://hack-robf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~hack-robf/viewmail/trunk/
[21:17] <rjwf> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://hack-robf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~hack-robf/viewmail/trunk/".
[21:18] <rjwf> Also pushing to that branch fails with
[21:18] <rjwf> bzr: ERROR: Target directory bzr+ssh://hack-robf@bazaar.launchpad.net/~hack-robf/viewmail/trunk already exists, but does not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply --use-existing-dir to push there anyway.
[21:19] <rjwf> Might it be related to my LP name, i.e. hack-robf?
[21:19] <Peng> rjwf: Bzr version?
[21:20] <rjwf> Bazaar (bzr) 1.2.0.dev.0
[21:20] <Peng> Uh-ohs.
[21:20] <rjwf> Should I use 1.1?
[21:21] <Peng> I meant "uh-ohs, bzr.dev is broken", not "don't use bzr.dev".
[21:22] <rjwf> I will check if I am uptodate ...
[21:23] <Peng> Oh wait. You were trying to pull. I just tried pushing and it worked.
[21:23] <rjwf> No, I was not uptodate, now it looks like it is working.
[21:24] <Peng> :)
[21:24] <Peng> I see "Server is too old for fast get_parent_map, reconnecting.  (Upgrade the server to Bazaar 1.2 to avoid this)". Perhaps you were having a problem with that.
[21:24] <rjwf> Yes I see it also now.
[21:25] <Peng> (Older servers barf on a certain request. If your bzr.dev was older than the one that works around it, it wouldn't handle the barfing well.)
[21:25] <rjwf> Thanks.
[21:26] <rjwf> "bzr get" also works now, great.
[21:26] <rjwf> Where can I see which version the server is at?
[21:26]  * Peng shrugs.
[21:27] <rjwf> Well, I will just remember this and update BZR before the next time ;-)
[21:27] <rjwf> many thanks and bye
[21:37] <bronger> I wonder which is the best way to keep a Launchpad branch and an SVN repo synchronized.  What do you think of this:
[21:38] <bronger_> bzr pull bzr+ssh://bronger@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bronger/bobcat/main
[21:38] <bronger_> bzr merge --pull https://svn.origo.ethz.ch/bobcat/
[21:38] <bronger_> bzr commit -m "Merged from SVN trunk."
[21:38] <bronger_> bzr push bzr+ssh://bronger@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bronger/bobcat/main
[21:38] <bronger_> bzr push https://svn.origo.ethz.ch/bobcat/
[21:38] <siretart> bronger_: this is more or less what tailor does
[21:39] <siretart> keeping meta-data
[21:40] <Odd_Bloke> bronger_: You might want to look into getting the SVN branch mirrored in LP.
[21:41] <bronger_> Odd_Bloke: but this seems to be unidirectional, right?
[21:42] <Odd_Bloke> bronger_: Yes, I should probably have read your workflow slightly more closely. :p
[22:21] <MattJ____> Yay Bronger :)
[22:43] <CardinalFang> I suppose it's discouraged to move tags.  "bzr tag --force reused_tag" .
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #190568 in bzr "bzr-svn exception plugin error in commit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190568
[23:09] <CardinalFang> "Conflicting tags:\n    reused_tag"