| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: hey! youre finally applying for membership | 01:21 |
|---|---|---|
| coreymon77 | ! | 01:21 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 01:21 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: since i cant make it to the meeting tomorrow, i need my sleep | 01:21 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: i hereby give my 900000000% +1 to nosrednaekim, he really deserves it | 01:21 |
| nosrednaekim | oooooo wait.... 6am tomorrow morning? youch.... | 01:22 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: yup | 01:22 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: id love to be there, i just cant | 01:22 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: but i give you my +1 now | 01:22 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: okay? | 01:22 |
| nosrednaekim | I think its acceptable if you send it to the mailing list. | 01:22 |
| claydoh | that reminds me tu set up my wireless connection so I can join in tomorrow... | 01:23 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: trust me, i know, i applied through the mailing list, they made an exception for me since i could never make it to the meetings | 01:23 |
| nosrednaekim | ^_^ | 01:23 |
| coreymon77 | man, id really like to be there for nosrednaekim, but i just cant | 01:23 |
| coreymon77 | that really sucks | 01:23 |
| nosrednaekim | haha, hope I can be there.... | 01:24 |
| nosrednaekim | claydoh: hey, would you mind asking them to consider membership after 11:30 | 01:24 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: ping | 01:25 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: you there? | 01:25 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: then i could be there for you too! | 01:25 |
| nosrednaekim | coreymon77: nah... its past midnight there. | 01:25 |
| claydoh | they should, but I will try to remember that for you :0 | 01:25 |
| coreymon77 | claydoh: where did Riddell go? | 01:25 |
| nosrednaekim | coreymon77: he lives in UTC time... its past midnight there | 01:26 |
| claydoh | coreymon77: dunno, prob asleep? | 01:26 |
| coreymon77 | so, im on irc past midnight | 01:26 |
| coreymon77 | just not at 6 am | 01:26 |
| coreymon77 | claydoh: how long is the meeting expected to go | 01:27 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: because we are in the same time zone right? | 01:27 |
| nosrednaekim | coreymon77: hour ussually | 01:27 |
| nosrednaekim | coreymon77: EST | 01:27 |
| coreymon77 | yup | 01:27 |
| claydoh | dunno, usually from what I see, it is about an hour, tho some loot to have gone longer | 01:27 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: so you are asking them to delay the member consideration for a good 4.5 hours? | 01:28 |
| claydoh | I have not made it in a while, many meetings are after a night shift for me, so I can't make it | 01:28 |
| nosrednaekim | no.... 11:30 UTC | 01:28 |
| coreymon77 | oh | 01:29 |
| coreymon77 | which is? | 01:29 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: for us | 01:30 |
| nosrednaekim | 6:30 | 01:30 |
| coreymon77 | oh, still cant make it | 01:32 |
| ForgeAus | hey cory :) | 01:35 |
| * claydoh thinks sleep is overrated :) 5-6hrs is plenty | 01:36 | |
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| Jucato | looks like I won't be able to come to the meeting *again*... sorry :( | 09:03 |
| Jucato | oh wait... 11+8 = 19... 7pm... might make it after all :( | 09:04 |
| Jucato | er :) | 09:05 |
| apachelogger__ | nixternal: multirow is done automagically, when space doesn't last anymore | 09:47 |
| apachelogger__ | jpatrick: I saied merging btw, and get the debian maintainer to have a look at our changes, since they are probably as useful to them as to us | 09:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh, so that's why i can't go to bed yet. | 10:19 |
| * jpatrick waves to the channel | 10:23 | |
| jpatrick | apachelogger__: poke pusling in #debian-qt-kde then :) | 10:24 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: you do syncs? | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: not usually. there's a sync script, though. why? | 10:54 |
| jpatrick | bug #190320 | 10:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 190320 in ubuntu "Please sync kde-style-domino 0.4-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190320 | 10:54 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: it tends to be more effective to wait for them to us ethe proper scripts | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | i'll only tend to sync things if it's something massively broken and important | 10:56 |
| jpatrick | I used requestsync | 10:56 |
| Riddell | ** Kubuntu meeting in three minutes #ubuntu-meeting | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: Riddell can sync xwith teh proper scripts | 11:01 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: are your hands frozen or are you !leet? :D | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | the latter. | 11:02 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: i don't work for canonical. | 11:03 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: didn't say you did | 11:03 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: to expand on that, using the leet scripts that work well require access on canonical machines, which only employees have. | 11:04 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: ah, I see. | 11:04 |
| mhb | smarter: still working on it | 11:07 |
| smarter | ok | 11:08 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu | 11:14 |
| kiefer | Thanks mate | 11:14 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: take a look at that, and tell us what you'd prefer to spacialize in | 11:16 |
| kiefer | Okay, just finished reading it and heres my thoughts- | 11:18 |
| kiefer | Im currently studying for a diploma in IT (Programming and Software Dev.) So programming is a possibility, Im a pretty good Doc Writer (If I do say so) so that sounds like a good starting option, and as for artwork...well...im crap - lol :P | 11:18 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: nixternal is your man if you want doc work | 11:19 |
| kiefer | Would that be a good place for me to start? | 11:19 |
| jpatrick | I think the focus now is KDE 4 docs | 11:20 |
| kiefer | Some simple programming work would also be happily accepted, Im always willing to learn new things | 11:20 |
| kiefer | Ive been writing C/C++ code for about a year | 11:20 |
| kiefer | and Java for about 2 years | 11:20 |
| Jucato | re KDE 4 docs... the most important part is actually creating them afaik... but yeah, nixternal is the one you should poke about tit | 11:21 |
| Jucato | it* | 11:21 |
| Jucato | damn typo... | 11:21 |
| kiefer | Haha | 11:21 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: bzr co --lightweight http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy | 11:21 |
| kiefer | How should I go about contacting him? | 11:21 |
| jussi01 | kiefer: bug fixing is also always a good thing ;) | 11:21 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: he's in here, sleeping | 11:21 |
| kiefer | always :) | 11:21 |
| Jucato | kiefer: when he's awake (in a few hours), just mention his name :) | 11:21 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: that command will get you the lastest documentation, that you can look around at | 11:22 |
| kiefer | Haha will do, im in Australia, and its like 10pm here, Ill be awake till about 4am | 11:22 |
| kiefer | Okay sweet, ill grab it now | 11:23 |
| kiefer | Thanks :) | 11:23 |
| jpatrick | kiefer: as for programming, you could ask mhb | 11:25 |
| Jucato | kiefer: oh then tomorrow.. around.. um... hm.. Hobbsee what time (your time) do you usually catch nixternal? | 11:25 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: for python, that is | 11:26 |
| * Hobbsee thinks | 11:26 | |
| Hobbsee | lunchtime or something? | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | afternoon? | 11:26 |
| kiefer | Well im always around so i will no doubt cross paths with him soon :P | 11:28 |
| Jucato | he'll be awake in a few (1 or 2) hours I bet | 11:28 |
| kiefer | Yeah ill be around, im watching Bad Boys atm, and it only just started so, ill be around | 11:29 |
| kiefer | And mhb, when should he be around? | 11:30 |
| Jucato | he's one of our python go-to guys... he should be around around this time iirc... | 11:32 |
| jussi01 | he was just in the meeting before | 11:32 |
| mhb | kiefer: no clue | 11:32 |
| kiefer | Lmao damn.. | 11:33 |
| Jucato | oh yeah right... he's here | 11:33 |
| kiefer | mhb: Well tell him to PM when he is around :) | 11:33 |
| kiefer | PM me* | 11:34 |
| mhb | kiefer: I'll have something now, I'll PM you later today, if you don't mind | 11:36 |
| kiefer | No problem, Im gonna be around for a few hours anyway :) | 11:37 |
| mhb | I'm off, will be back later today. | 11:41 |
| mhb | my +1 to Mike if he appears :o) | 11:41 |
| kiefer | Yeah Im off to make some food (Japanese noodles ftw :P) I'll be back in an hour or two to get more indo on how I can help :) | 11:45 |
| kiefer | info* | 11:45 |
| jpatrick | nosrednaekim: !!!!!!!! | 11:47 |
| jpatrick | nosrednaekim: #ubuntu-meeting | 11:48 |
| jpatrick | :-) | 11:48 |
| nosrednaekim | sorry! | 11:48 |
| nosrednaekim | the alarm did wakemeup...lol | 11:48 |
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| Lure | ups, forgot about meeting... | 12:37 |
| jpatrick | .... | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | bad Lure. | 12:38 |
| === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | KDE 4.0.1! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Meeting Wed 20 23:00UTC | ||
| * Hobbsee almost forgot | 12:38 | |
| nosrednaekim | <_< | 12:38 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: kids need me too ;-) | 12:38 |
| * Lure -> lunch, bbl for plasma meeting at least | 12:38 | |
| Hobbsee | Lure: you're very wanted, then ;) | 12:39 |
| jpatrick | Wed 20 23:00UTC < right date? | 12:39 |
| Jucato | I was about to ask.. what day would that be... | 12:40 |
| jpatrick | on our two-week thing, yes | 12:40 |
| claydoh | I might be able to make it to the next meeting too ! | 12:45 |
| claydoh | yay | 12:45 |
| claydoh | i think I have that day off, usually am working | 12:45 |
| * Hobbsee won't be | 12:45 | |
| Hobbsee | not that it makes much difference at this point, but still | 12:45 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: it makes much difference... you're one of the very few people whose +1 is a heavyweight :) | 12:47 |
| Jucato | we only have +0.5 :D | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:47 |
| Hobbsee | sure, but only on memberships and such now | 12:48 |
| * Hobbsee wonders how easy it is to get teh old kmenu back | 13:05 | |
| nosrednaekim | Hobbsee: easy | 13:05 |
| nosrednaekim | if you are talking about KDE4 | 13:06 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: just use the Application Launcher Menu | 13:06 |
| Jucato | plasmoid | 13:06 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 13:07 |
| Hobbsee | nosrednaekim: yes | 13:07 |
| nosrednaekim | Hobbsee: yes, there is a "traditional" menu applet | 13:07 |
| Jucato | it's called the.. um... hm... | 13:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah goody | 13:07 |
| Jucato | Application Launcher Menu | 13:07 |
| * Hobbsee would only switch back at 4.1, most likely | 13:08 | |
| Hobbsee | set it up a lot like gnome | 13:08 |
| Hobbsee | assuming all the bits were there | 13:08 |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato: so is the other one ;) | 13:08 |
| Jucato | nosrednaekim: the kickoff one is "Application Launcher" only... | 13:08 |
| Jucato | notice the word "Menu" | 13:08 |
| nosrednaekim | Jucato: oh excuse me... never mind :) | 13:08 |
| nosrednaekim | ya... it was cut off in my little add applet dialog ^_^ | 13:09 |
| Jucato | :P | 13:09 |
| claydoh | wow apparently I am now the lead for my (extremely inactive)LoCo team | 13:13 |
| andersin | Is there a naming scheme for packages containing plasma applets (e.g. start with kde4-plasmoid-.....) | 13:51 |
| * mhb is back, if anyone wanted a word with him | 14:24 | |
| mhb | kiefer: ping | 14:24 |
| mhb | hrm | 14:29 |
| mhb | is it me or has Ubuntu (again) developed an utility without looking at Kubuntu and checking for a common backend? | 14:30 |
| mhb | is research really the uncool thing to do? | 14:31 |
| mhb | or why do people totally forget it? | 14:31 |
| claydoh | the disk manager thing? | 14:31 |
| mhb | yeah | 14:32 |
| claydoh | I just read that now | 14:32 |
| claydoh | I agree | 14:32 |
| claydoh | is there anything better for QT/KDE? | 14:35 |
| smarter | link? | 14:35 |
| smarter | We have mountconfig in guidance | 14:36 |
| mhb | claydoh: we have the very same config tool | 14:36 |
| mhb | claydoh: for 3 releases at least | 14:36 |
| mhb | so the sane thing to do would be to come over and say "hi, we want that too, could we arrange for a common backend so we have to write less code"? | 14:37 |
| claydoh | lol sane | 14:38 |
| mhb | bad word... "wise" maybe | 14:38 |
| mhb | I'd understand if they used a different language or something... but when they use Python like us and they fail to contact us | 14:39 |
| mhb | it's a perfect example of a bad planning | 14:39 |
| claydoh | no, sane was good :) | 14:40 |
| mhb | I expect them to say "sorry, our code is almost finished now, we're not going to do anything for any common core, if you want it, *you* do it" | 14:42 |
| mhb | typisch ubuntisch ... man, one silly post and I'm so mad :o) | 14:44 |
| kiefer | Wow that was a great movie... Im back :) | 14:58 |
| mhb | kiefer: which one? | 15:00 |
| kiefer | Bad boys and Bad Boys II :P | 15:00 |
| * jpatrick considers dumping Debian development | 15:00 | |
| mhb | why so? | 15:01 |
| mhb | jpatrick: I thought you've just started | 15:01 |
| Jucato | oh mhb, just the guy I'm looking for. do you have any recommended learning resource for Python for an intermediate C++ programmer like me? | 15:02 |
| mhb | Jucato: web or book? | 15:03 |
| mhb | I myself learned the basics from "Learning Python" | 15:03 |
| Jucato | web or ebook.. can't afford to buy another book at the moment :( | 15:03 |
| jussi01 | isnt there an ebook in the repos? | 15:03 |
| Jucato | dive into python? is it good? | 15:03 |
| jussi01 | !info diveintopython | 15:04 |
| ubotu | diveintopython (source: diveintopython): free Python book for experienced programmers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 340 kB, installed size 4220 kB | 15:04 |
| Jucato | the part about "experienced programmers" is the one that scares me :D | 15:04 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah.. dive into python is good! | 15:04 |
| mhb | jpatrick: so what's the problem? | 15:04 |
| kiefer | Ive skimmed through dievintopython, and if you have done some C/C++ you should be able to comprehend most of it | 15:04 |
| Jucato | yeah jpatrick? | 15:04 |
| jussi01 | where is the book once you install the package? | 15:04 |
| Jucato | [Notice] -jpatrick- Sorry, I'm not here (not here ...) <-- hehehe | 15:05 |
| Jucato | jussi01: /usr/share/doc | 15:05 |
| nosrednaekim | jussi01: thats the purpose of dpkg -L ;) | 15:05 |
| jussi01 | Jucato: ahh, thanks | 15:05 |
| Jucato | kiefer: yeah I've done C++.. but not so extensive. only finished my book last month, so I'm still a bit green | 15:05 |
| kiefer | Haha ohk, it tends to use lingo/jargon from other languages and show you their pythin counterparts | 15:06 |
| Jucato | of course, Dive into Python is updated May 2004 according to the site :) | 15:06 |
| kiefer | python* | 15:06 |
| Jucato | pythin... nice way to pronounce it ;) | 15:06 |
| jussi01 | Jucato: I also have a free one from the web, more aimed at beginners, but you might want to look at it - byteofpython | 15:07 |
| kiefer | Haha, Acer520 laptop keyboard - a little annoying | 15:07 |
| jussi01 | Jucato: I can email it across if you like | 15:07 |
| jpatrick | mhb: they have some "relibtoolize all KDE packages" | 15:07 |
| Jucato | jussi01: if I can't find it in 5 minutes :) | 15:07 |
| jussi01 | Jucato: kk :P | 15:07 |
| jpatrick | ...policy | 15:08 |
| jpatrick | mhb: and I've tried five different ways I've found of doing it, and it doesn't cut the cheese... | 15:08 |
| Jucato | jussi01: of course I found it and downloaded it already :P | 15:08 |
| Jucato | thanks mhb, kiefer, jussi01 | 15:09 |
| Jucato | I actually have a python book, "Practical Python"... unfortunately it left me more bewildered than enlightened after reading it | 15:09 |
| Jucato | it does have some pretty nifty "practical" projects though | 15:09 |
| mhb | jpatrick: packaging isn't much fun anyway | 15:10 |
| jpatrick | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00439.html - background | 15:10 |
| mhb | jpatrick: I myself am trying to minimize my participation in FLOSS projects so I can kind of live the other life | 15:11 |
| Jucato | mhb: good luck with that... | 15:11 |
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| jpatrick | Jucato: as for Python books, I tried many and didn't like them, coded by just fiddling with it | 15:12 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: although I'm wondering why they are worrying/addressing that *now*, when KDE 4 practically resolves that admin/ problem, and we're not going to have much more 3.5.x releases in the future | 15:12 |
| mhb | kiefer: so, you wanted to talk to me about... | 15:12 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: heh I'm not the tutorial type of guy I've realized... so I'm looking for good (e)books. :) | 15:13 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: that message is 3 years old | 15:13 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: lol! didn't look at the date hahaha | 15:13 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: and yes, cmake kills off any "relibtoolize" hell | 15:13 |
| kiefer | mhb: sorry i was reading something - Yeah i was interested in developing, starting with something simple, PM me maybe? | 15:16 |
| mhb | kiefer: I'm pretty sure we can talk here | 15:16 |
| mhb | it's on topic, after all | 15:16 |
| nosrednaekim | python bindings were just released for plasma.... ^_^ | 15:16 |
| kiefer | Haha *Looks around the room cautiously* *whispers: you think its safe?* | 15:16 |
| nosrednaekim | kiefer: what languages do you know? | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: what exactly is the problem with the admin dir? | 15:17 |
| kiefer | Been programming C/C++ for about 1 year, and Java for 2 or so years though i havent done C/C++ for a while | 15:18 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: read mail | 15:18 |
| kiefer | And a tiny bit of ASM, nothing very helpfull though lol | 15:19 |
| mhb | kiefer: I'm pretty sure it's safe... I mean I was creating sites with pornographic content even before I was of age :o) | 15:19 |
| mhb | makes a good reference :o) | 15:19 |
| kiefer | roffffl | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: "evil and unnecessary files in it" not that this would explain it :P | 15:20 |
| kiefer | So, I was told if i wanted to get in on developing and contributing, i would need to speak to you mhb | 15:20 |
| mhb | kiefer: sure | 15:20 |
| Jucato | hhahah I specifically mentioned python :) | 15:21 |
| Jucato | so don't blame me :P | 15:21 |
| kiefer | But, the only issue is- | 15:21 |
| mhb | most of the apps we do are Python/QT, because you can do more in less time with python | 15:21 |
| kiefer | im a native windows guy, i only migrated to kubuntu a month or so ago, still learning my way around | 15:21 |
| mhb | same as with any higher-level language | 15:21 |
| kiefer | Yah, i took a peak a some python source, didnt seem to complex | 15:22 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: basically a KDE package should not Depend: on a ton of other stuff, but the things it actually needs | 15:22 |
| mhb | kiefer: nah, it's pretty simple, that's the beauty of it | 15:22 |
| kiefer | it shouldnt take me long to grasp the basics of Python | 15:22 |
| kiefer | Haha ^_^ | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: other stuff would for example be? | 15:22 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: and for some reason, admin creates a recursive dependency hell | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | well, recursive does mean it depends on the package eitherway, doesn't it? | 15:22 |
| kiefer | I was hoping to get something simple to do first off, as i dont wanna commit to something i cant do | 15:23 |
| mhb | kiefer: of course, if you preferred the classic way of C++, you can join the KDE upstream project (those guys who participate in KDE) | 15:23 |
| mhb | but I guess starting with Kubuntu is a good thing | 15:23 |
| mhb | then perhaps finding the thing you like most | 15:23 |
| mhb | we're very beginner-friendly here | 15:23 |
| kiefer | haha ive noticed | 15:24 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: example: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55342/ | 15:24 |
| kiefer | im rather keen to learn python | 15:24 |
| kiefer | ive found there are few languages that cant be grasped in a short time after learning languages like C/C++ and Java | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: well, pretty obvious it's recursive... | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | ...which makes it a kinda pointless issue IMHO | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | pointless issues should either be fixed 100% automagically or not at all | 15:27 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: yep, I know, but they're so keen on it | 15:27 |
| * jussi01 does a hardy dance :D "its hardy time, hardy time... " | 15:27 | |
| apachelogger | mhhh, makes me not wanna join development I guess | 15:27 |
| mhb | kiefer: well, the main python project we have (which sadly doesn't have much attention) is guidance | 15:28 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: would be a perfect job for people which get paied for the time they invest ;-) | 15:28 |
| mhb | it's a set of python/kde configuration tools | 15:28 |
| apachelogger | mhb: is there actually any port going on right now? | 15:29 |
| * apachelogger is wondering whether embedding the KDE 3 version in the KDE 4 systemsettings would work | 15:29 | |
| kiefer | mhb: Sounds cool, is there anything I can be responsible for? Im also getting into Doc writing.. | 15:29 |
| mhb | kiefer: get the source code by "apt-get source kde-guidance" and take a look at it | 15:30 |
| kiefer | Will do | 15:30 |
| mhb | kiefer: try to read the code and understand what it does | 15:30 |
| mhb | I think the "userconfig" module is especially good for that - it's rather simple | 15:30 |
| kiefer | Alright, ill get back at you in 5-10 mins | 15:30 |
| mhb | sure | 15:30 |
| mhb | apachelogger: no. | 15:30 |
| apachelogger | nice | 15:30 |
| * apachelogger goes testing | 15:30 | |
| mhb | apachelogger: I've done some systemsettings KDE4 testing myself | 15:31 |
| kiefer | mhb: where will the source be DL'd to? | 15:31 |
| mhb | your local directory | 15:31 |
| kiefer | Ohk, cheers | 15:31 |
| apachelogger | mhb: got anywhere? | 15:31 |
| mhb | apachelogger: yes and no. | 15:31 |
| apachelogger | cool ;-) | 15:31 |
| mhb | apachelogger: the good thing is that systemsettings' entries are just .desktop files | 15:32 |
| mhb | apachelogger: the bad thing is the parser is very strict, so they must be bound with another .desktop file which must contain a link to a KDE4 KCM module | 15:32 |
| mhb | so you can't just create a .desktop file with a "Exec=" option and wish that it executes correctly | 15:33 |
| mhb | it doesn't | 15:33 |
| mhb | if it doesn't contain a link to the KCM library, it ignores the .desktop file | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | :S | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | mhb: could we create some wrapper libraries? | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | very basic code, just to invoce the actual cm | 15:34 |
| mhb | well, we could create a "dummy" KCM library that executes what we want it to | 15:34 |
| mhb | that could be possible | 15:34 |
| mhb | but it's not trivial | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | :S | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | so we probably should patch the parser | 15:35 |
| mhb | yes, that's option 2 | 15:35 |
| mhb | I expect it to be a bit easier | 15:36 |
| mhb | but you'd still have to do some code digging before you hit the gold | 15:36 |
| kiefer | mhb: So ive skimmed through some of the source, and most of it seems pretty self explanitory - Nothing i cant cope with | 15:42 |
| mhb | kiefer: I guess we should start with Qt/KDE introduction | 15:47 |
| kiefer | If you think thats whats needed, im really following your guidance here lol | 15:48 |
| mhb | kiefer: well those apps need porting to a new version of Qt, Qt4 (they're written in Qt3). The first task would be to design the UI in a Qt4 GUI building tool called "Qt designer" | 15:48 |
| kiefer | okay | 15:48 |
| kiefer | do continue.. | 15:48 |
| mhb | it has a package in Kubuntu called "qt4-designer" | 15:49 |
| kiefer | should i be getting that now? | 15:49 |
| mhb | sure | 15:49 |
| Jucato | btw there's also https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE from Riddell | 15:50 |
| mhb | you can launch the app using the command "python userconfig.py" or "python mountconfig.py" in the respective directory | 15:50 |
| mhb | so I guess your first "real" job should be to open mountconfig, launch the Qt4 Designer app and recreate the UI of mountconfig in that application | 15:51 |
| mhb | (I've already got userconfig covered, that's why I recommend mountconfig) | 15:51 |
| kiefer | okie doke | 15:52 |
| kiefer | ill have a look at mountconfig while qt4-designer is installing | 15:53 |
| mhb | kiefer: the Qt designer app is really great, because you can drag and drop GUI elements pretty fast | 15:53 |
| mhb | you'll get to know what they are called and stuff... | 15:53 |
| kiefer | Haha, So it should be pretty simple? just mimic the existing interface right? | 15:53 |
| mhb | yeah | 15:53 |
| kiefer | Sounds easy | 15:53 |
| mhb | kiefer: actually the old "mountconfig" makes a mistake of having the UI hardcoded | 15:54 |
| mhb | that's not a good practice because modifying it later is hard | 15:55 |
| kiefer | ohk, yeah i can see where your coming from | 15:55 |
| mhb | using the Qt Designer you can create & edit stuff really easily, and it'll produce a file that can be used directly by your app | 15:55 |
| Jucato | dynamically loaded too right? | 15:56 |
| mhb | right | 15:56 |
| kiefer | wow, handy | 15:56 |
| kiefer | Uh-Oh... | 15:57 |
| mhb | trouble? | 15:57 |
| kiefer | Lemme paste-bin it | 15:57 |
| kiefer | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55347/ | 16:00 |
| mhb | kiefer: hmm | 16:01 |
| mhb | kiefer: it looks like somebody started with UI porting already | 16:02 |
| mhb | that's good | 16:02 |
| kiefer | Lol. the early bird gets the worm | 16:02 |
| mhb | you can try opening mountconfig-qt4.ui in Qt Designer | 16:02 |
| kiefer | Okay, will do - its installing now | 16:02 |
| kiefer | would the .ui file be in the mountconfig dir? | 16:05 |
| mhb | hmm | 16:05 |
| kiefer | i only see 'fuser_ui.ui" | 16:05 |
| mhb | yes | 16:05 |
| mhb | you use Gutsy, I presume | 16:05 |
| kiefer | Yeah | 16:05 |
| mhb | okay, plan B | 16:06 |
| mhb | you need to fetch the most up-to-date code by: | 16:06 |
| mhb | svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance (it creates a guidance/ directory with the code) | 16:06 |
| mhb | it uses the Version Control System called SVN to check out (fetch) the most recent version of guidance in the KDE SVN server | 16:08 |
| kiefer | ohk, im installing svn atm :P | 16:08 |
| kiefer | okay done, where did it place the guidance/ dir? | 16:11 |
| mhb | in the current directory again | 16:11 |
| mhb | I hope | 16:11 |
| kiefer | haha ...yep it did | 16:11 |
| mhb | does it still produce the error when you run "python mountconfig.py" ? | 16:12 |
| kiefer | ...yeah, unfortunatly | 16:13 |
| mhb | hrm, must be some library | 16:13 |
| mhb | is your system fully updated? | 16:13 |
| kiefer | i believe so yeah | 16:13 |
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| kiefer | though, i am rather kubuntu newb | 16:14 |
| mhb | strange | 16:14 |
| kiefer | so i wouldnt trust what i say lol | 16:14 |
| mhb | could you try running "sudo apt-get update" in the console | 16:14 |
| kiefer | sure | 16:14 |
| mhb | (which refreshes the list of packages) | 16:14 |
| kiefer | yup, a big list | 16:15 |
| kiefer | lol | 16:15 |
| mhb | then try "sudo apt-get build-dep kde-guidance" | 16:15 |
| kiefer | kk | 16:15 |
| mhb | that should update (or install) all packages that are needed to build guidance | 16:15 |
| mhb | I hope it helps | 16:15 |
| kiefer | haha i guess we'll find out soon :P | 16:15 |
| kiefer | my net speed is suprisingley fast tonoght... | 16:16 |
| kiefer | well, for wireless anyway ^_^ | 16:16 |
| kiefer | tonight* | 16:16 |
| kiefer | 179kb/s isnt bad considering its a pretty weak signal, the walls in my house are rather thick | 16:17 |
| mhb | Riddell: out of curiousity - are we going to see an official announcement about UDS soon? | 16:26 |
| kiefer | mhb: okay, all guidance build packages now installed... | 16:27 |
| mhb | kiefer: did it help? | 16:27 |
| kiefer | mhb: yup, works perfectly now :P | 16:28 |
| mhb | thank God | 16:28 |
| Riddell | mhb: at some point yes, dunno when | 16:28 |
| kiefer | haha | 16:28 |
| mhb | Riddell: okay, thanks. | 16:28 |
| kiefer | mhb: So should I move onto building a copy of it in qt4-designer now? | 16:29 |
| mhb | kiefer: well, first open the "mountconfig-qt4.ui" file and check how complete it is | 16:30 |
| kiefer | will do | 16:30 |
| kiefer | where should "mountconfig-qt4.ui" be located? | 16:31 |
| mhb | in the mountconfig/ directory | 16:32 |
| mhb | in the SVN checkout | 16:32 |
| mhb | is it there? | 16:32 |
| kiefer | the only 'ui file in there is fuser_ui.ui :S | 16:33 |
| kiefer | .ui* | 16:33 |
| mhb | hmm | 16:33 |
| mhb | that means only one thing | 16:33 |
| kiefer | the world is coming to an end? | 16:33 |
| jjesse | i broke it? | 16:33 |
| kiefer | aliens exist? | 16:33 |
| mhb | that I myself have tried to do it earlier | 16:33 |
| mhb | well | 16:34 |
| mhb | let me paste bin it | 16:34 |
| kiefer | okie | 16:34 |
| kiefer | though i must warn you, while i greatly appreciate all the time you spending helping me out here, its almost 3:30am here, and i need sleep soon lol | 16:35 |
| mhb | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55355/ | 16:35 |
| mhb | ah, sorry | 16:35 |
| kiefer | Haha no problem, ive still got 15-30 mins in me | 16:36 |
| kiefer | with the pastebin text, i should save that as a *insert file extension here* file? | 16:37 |
| mhb | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55356/ for the fuser_ui-qt4.ui | 16:37 |
| mhb | as a .ui file | 16:38 |
| mhb | both of them | 16:38 |
| kiefer | okie doke | 16:38 |
| mhb | hmm | 16:39 |
| mhb | so I guess the best thing to do | 16:39 |
| mhb | would be to look at those two | 16:39 |
| mhb | and create a .ui file for serviceconfig | 16:39 |
| mhb | I haven't tried that one yet :o) | 16:39 |
| mhb | now you have reference examples, which is even better :o) | 16:39 |
| kiefer | yeah :P cheers | 16:40 |
| mhb | so I propose you go to sleep today and try it tomorrow or whenever you have time | 16:40 |
| kiefer | haha, ill poke around for a bit then head off | 16:40 |
| mhb | great ... I hope we'll meet again :o) | 16:40 |
| kiefer | me too :) | 16:40 |
| kiefer | So to clarify, my goals for 2moz are: *Insert goals here please :) * | 16:42 |
| nosrednaekim | two words "world domination" | 16:43 |
| kiefer | thats been a goal for a long time ^_^ | 16:43 |
| mhb | kiefer: just try and sketch the serviceconfig UI in the Qt4 designer app | 16:43 |
| kiefer | okay, ill hop to it in the morning, for now i think your right - bed time *yawns* | 16:44 |
| mhb | once you think it behaves well (there's a Preview option there so you can check how it looks like), we'll move on | 16:44 |
| kiefer | Night guys | 16:44 |
| kiefer | okay awesome :) | 16:44 |
| mhb | night | 16:44 |
| nosrednaekim | night | 16:44 |
| mhb | and thanks | 16:44 |
| mhb | hope you don't change your mind in the morning :o) | 16:44 |
| Jucato | (too late) | 16:44 |
| nosrednaekim | heh | 16:44 |
| mhb | right. | 16:44 |
| Jucato | mhb got himself an apprentice :) | 16:45 |
| mhb | Jucato: well | 16:45 |
| * Jucato imagines mhb in a Donald Trump way :) | 16:45 | |
| mhb | Jucato: I've lost ~3 of those real fast | 16:45 |
| Jucato | ok, now that Trump image fits perfectly then :P | 16:45 |
| * Jucato imagines mhb point... "You're fired" | 16:45 | |
| mhb | hehe :o) | 16:45 |
| mhb | it's usually "thanks for the enthusiasm, I hope to hear from you soon" | 16:46 |
| mhb | and they never come back | 16:46 |
| mhb | not that I'm angry :o) | 16:46 |
| mhb | that's how it works | 16:46 |
| mhb | for every 3 of them there's one nosrednaekim that stays | 16:46 |
| mhb | and that counts | 16:46 |
| Jucato | oh nosrednaekim was your apprentice? | 16:47 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: congratulations on so many +1s at the meeting | 16:47 |
| * Jucato stays away.... | 16:47 | |
| mhb | no, not really | 16:47 |
| * nosrednaekim is now a multimillion $ reality show winner.... | 16:47 | |
| Jucato | do you still need nixternal's +1? same as claydoh? | 16:47 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah, I think so | 16:47 |
| Jucato | won't be too hard :) | 16:47 |
| Jucato | just give nixternal a shiny holographic vista sticker and you're good to go :P | 16:48 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: too bad my +1 doesn't count (yet), otherwise you'd get it :o) | 16:48 |
| Jucato | mhb: you'll have your chance... council changes in May :D | 16:48 |
| mhb | excellent | 16:48 |
| mhb | better start my campaign soon | 16:49 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: I think you've been doing the campaign for the past two years :) | 16:50 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: BTW, how is the new restricted manager going? | 16:51 |
| jussi01 | !nixternal | 16:52 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 16:52 |
| nosrednaekim | bwahaha | 16:53 |
| Jucato | mhb: what campaign? as if you had any competition around :) | 16:53 |
| * jussi01 goes to nominate, just so mhb can feel good when he wins... | 16:54 | |
| Jucato | 3 months too early? :) | 16:54 |
| jussi01 | Jucato: you can never start too early :P | 16:55 |
| * Jucato winds back the clock to 2006 | 16:55 | |
| Jucato | ok start now :) | 16:55 |
| jussi01 | LOL | 16:55 |
| mhb | jussi01: well, there will be 2 places anyway | 16:57 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I wanted to hack on it right now, but I mentored a newcomer for a while | 16:57 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: it's pretty much working, just 2 larger things to do: download progress and notification icon | 16:58 |
| jussi01 | hehe, dont think Im really experienced enough to go for it really... | 16:58 |
| mhb | I guess so. | 16:58 |
| nosrednaekim | I thought adept_batch had download rate? | 16:58 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: it does | 16:58 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: but you need to download firmware, too | 16:58 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: for some drivers | 16:58 |
| * jussi01 goes to reboot, from the live cd to hardy | 16:58 | |
| nosrednaekim | oh.... right. | 16:58 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: and that has to be done within r-m | 16:58 |
| Jucato | speaking of adept batch... | 16:58 |
| Jucato | mhb: I think there's a bug, dunno if it's really adept_batch, but looks more like language-selector-qt. since it's python, you might want to check it out or send someone to check it out :) | 16:59 |
| mhb | Jucato: in hardy? # ? | 17:00 |
| Jucato | bug 129186 | 17:00 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186 | 17:00 |
| mhb | there's a bug in Kaffeine that forced me to use Totem for viewing MPFC yesterday | 17:00 |
| Jucato | since gutsy... | 17:00 |
| Jucato | I'm actually thinking it's language-selector-qt, despite my last comment. seems like Adept Batch does return a value depending on success or failure, but the selector doesn't do anything about it if the user cancels downloading | 17:01 |
| Jucato | er.. not my last comment, but the 2nd to the last :P | 17:02 |
| * Jucato will have to ask mornfall or yuriy for some small adept help next week if he still can't figure out how Installer works by then... | 17:04 | |
| nosrednaekim | http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=5 << ubuntu catch-up ^_^ | 17:10 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: I've ranted about it a while ago | 17:11 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: it's not nice of them to dismiss our implementation and hack their own backend without trying to ask us on cooperating | 17:11 |
| nosrednaekim | heh... was some of the code borrowed from our mount config? | 17:11 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: they've never asked about sharing code | 17:12 |
| Jucato | maybe they just took :) | 17:12 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: so unless they took it without saying, they developed their own backend | 17:12 |
| nosrednaekim | ouch..... | 17:12 |
| mhb | which means someone will have to create a common backend soon | 17:13 |
| mhb | or otherwise, their app will get all the fixes and we'll just bit rot | 17:13 |
| mhb | I'm afraid they're going to say "sorry, our backend is finished, if you want to have a common core, *you* write it" | 17:13 |
| nosrednaekim | which is painfully typical. | 17:14 |
| mhb | so some good-natured Kubuntu fellow will have to fix their incorrect approach to research | 17:14 |
| nosrednaekim | >.< | 17:20 |
| coreymon77 | hi everyone | 17:39 |
| coreymon77 | how did the meeting go | 17:39 |
| mhb | it was not much | 17:40 |
| coreymon77 | did nosrednaekim get +1? | 17:40 |
| mhb | yes but there wasn't enough council members | 17:41 |
| coreymon77 | he deserves it | 17:41 |
| coreymon77 | he deserved it before i ever did | 17:41 |
| coreymon77 | i would have been there, it was just too early for me | 17:42 |
| mhb | Riddell: do you think that someone would add the packaging bits to the jockey kde frontend if I managed to finish the code soon? | 17:44 |
| * ScottK guesses jpatrick or apachelogger_ would be all over it. | 17:49 | |
| apachelogger_ | hehe | 17:50 |
| ScottK | Am I wrong? | 17:50 |
| apachelogger_ | mhb: ye can bet your keyboard on that :P | 17:50 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: groovy. | 17:53 |
| apachelogger_ | mhb: finished, just need the code :P | 17:56 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: I'm trying | 17:58 |
| * apachelogger_ is branching k-d-s | 18:10 | |
| manchicken | So, I've heard that there are going to be better Perl bindings for KDE4. | 18:14 |
| manchicken | Ooh: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Perl+Qt4?content=69747 | 18:18 |
| mhb | Perl? | 18:19 |
| mhb | hmm | 18:19 |
| manchicken | Yea :) | 18:19 |
| mhb | I love Python. | 18:19 |
| mhb | really. | 18:19 |
| manchicken | That's cool. | 18:19 |
| manchicken | Perl and Python know how to play nice from what I've heard :P | 18:20 |
| apachelogger_ | I love Ruby. | 18:20 |
| manchicken | They're both pretty strong glue languages. | 18:20 |
| mhb | of course, Lisp is nice, too :o) | 18:20 |
| manchicken | Ruby is neat, syntactically, but its runtime is slow and buggy still. | 18:20 |
| manchicken | Perl has been around for 20 years now. Python's been around at least half as long. Ruby needs to take time to catch up. | 18:21 |
| * manchicken doesn't follow Python as much since it doesn't pay his bills... | 18:21 | |
| manchicken | Woah woah woah, this guy replaced all of the Qt4 array-type classes (e.g. qvector, qlist) with Perl arrays... | 18:22 |
| manchicken | That's kinda stupid. | 18:22 |
| manchicken | Not even the Qt3 bindings did that. | 18:22 |
| manchicken | The Qt3 bindings had everything except for the network and filesystem classes. | 18:23 |
| manchicken | And threading classes. | 18:23 |
| manchicken | Which made them great for GUI scripts, but not so much for applications. | 18:23 |
| manchicken | The Perl Gnome2 libraries even give you VFS access. That's nice. | 18:25 |
| jpatrick | manchicken: I'm a perl+Python+Ruby guy | 18:25 |
| manchicken | I'd like to see better Perl bindings for KDE. | 18:25 |
| manchicken | jpatrick: Cool. I'm mostly Perl, but I've played in Python and Ruby, too. | 18:25 |
| manchicken | What's hilarious is that I bet I could use Qt3 libraries for the GUI and gnome2::vfs libraries for the actual asynchronous I/O and they'd work better together than just Qt3 or Qt4 bindings by themselves. | 18:27 |
| jpatrick | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132994 | 18:27 |
| ubotu | KDE bug 132994 in general "Pluto is not a planet" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 18:27 |
| manchicken | Very nice. | 18:27 |
| ScottK | jpatrick: Got your SRU proposal ready for that? | 18:27 |
| manchicken | But the fix hasn't been released yet? | 18:27 |
| jpatrick | ScottK: :) | 18:28 |
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| * apachelogger_ needs a Riddell | 18:49 | |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: do you think splitting k-d-s in kde3 and kde4 makes all that much sense? | 18:50 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: yes, not everyone wants KDE 4 | 18:50 |
| ScottK | Dear all KDE4 fanboys: Please don't break my existing, working KDE3 install that I use every day for actual $WORK and needs to not die. | 18:51 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: yeah | 18:51 |
| apachelogger_ | but the paths are different anyway | 18:51 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: If you want something to do, updating eric to 4.1.0 might be nice. | 18:52 |
| apachelogger_ | also, if we split, either -kde4 needs to depend on the kde3 or we have to duplicate the data | 18:52 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: eric? | 18:53 |
| ScottK | It's an Python IDE written in QT. It's an alternative to Idle (thing Monty Python references). | 18:53 |
| * apachelogger_ raises his finger | 18:54 | |
| * jpatrick hugs his vim | 18:54 | |
| apachelogger_ | ruby | 18:54 |
| jpatrick | ScottK: see what I said about Ruby and apachelogger_ ? :-) | 18:54 |
| ScottK | Which finger? | 18:54 |
| apachelogger_ | the one I press the J button with :P | 18:55 |
| apachelogger_ | s/button/key | 18:55 |
| ScottK | jpatrick: I'm pretty sure I'm about to advocate kde4-style-bespin if you want to be looking it over again to we might get it uploaded. | 18:56 |
| * apachelogger_ is wondering | 18:56 | |
| apachelogger_ | didn't I advocate? | 18:57 |
| apachelogger_ | or did I wait for someone else, since I was ready to upload? | 18:57 |
| apachelogger_ | *shrug* | 18:57 |
| jpatrick | ScottK: I thought I did | 18:57 |
| apachelogger_ | ah | 18:57 |
| apachelogger_ | I think I wanted an update | 18:57 |
| apachelogger_ | so apparently I did wait for jpatrick to advocate :P | 18:57 |
| ScottK | jpatrick: You did, but he had some stuff to fix, so it needs it again. | 18:58 |
| jpatrick | ScottK: if he did +1 | 18:58 |
| ScottK | jpatrick: Please go to REVU and mark it. | 18:58 |
| jpatrick | I am, it's just lagging | 18:59 |
| ScottK | K | 18:59 |
| jpatrick | ScottK: done | 19:01 |
| ScottK | K. Just finished the test build here. Let me check a few things and then I'll probably upload it. | 19:02 |
| Lure | Riddell: sorry for missing the meeting today - I am fine giving my +1 for nosrednaekim and claydoh | 19:16 |
| * Lure still needs to integrate one nosrednaekim's patch in guidance ;-) | 19:16 | |
| Lure | Riddell: re: kmilo brightness support: I can easly give you debdiff for dcop, but problem is that gutsy testers claim that it does not help :-( | 19:18 |
| ScottK | jpatrick: Sadly no. That wasn't it. The man page error persists. | 19:23 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: claydoh and nosrednaekim get a +1 from me | 20:01 |
| nixternal | mornin' by the way :) | 20:04 |
| jjesse | will addiotnal widgets only bereleased through the extragears package or can somoene get them from something like kde-look? | 20:04 |
| jjesse | its afternoon nixternal | 20:04 |
| nixternal | jjesse: yes | 20:04 |
| nixternal | :) | 20:04 |
| nixternal | to both actually | 20:04 |
| nixternal | I think widgets will be able to be pulled in from the Get Hot New Stuff stuff | 20:04 |
| jjesse | but not in the hardy time frame? | 20:04 |
| nixternal | ya, I just woke up about 30 minutes ago :) | 20:04 |
| nixternal | 4.1 | 20:04 |
| nixternal | so hardy+1 | 20:04 |
| jjesse | ok | 20:05 |
| jjesse | will the extragears package be installed via default | 20:05 |
| jjesse | also what is the name of the icon in the top right of my desktop? | 20:08 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: kde4 stuff pushed sto k-d-s, please have a look at it | 20:08 |
| jjesse | that allows me to add packages, zoom out, etc? | 20:08 |
| Lure | jjesse: Plasma Toolbox | 20:12 |
| jjesse | thanks Lure | 20:12 |
| Lure | jjesse: from here http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ | 20:12 |
| jjesse | ah thanks page is helping out | 20:24 |
| jjesse | why aren't default kde applications in spell check? | 20:26 |
| jjesse | such as Kopete shows up as misspelled in open office | 20:26 |
| ScottK | jjesse: Open Office isn't a KDE application is I would guess the reason. | 20:28 |
| jjesse | yeah i but i iwsh ther was a way for the kde apps to already in spell check | 20:29 |
| jjesse | heck the "ubuntu apps" | 20:29 |
| selckin | make it :) | 20:30 |
| smarter | iirc, there's an "ubuntu" dictionnary in the OOo shipped by ubuntu | 20:49 |
| ScottK | smarter: I still got the same error on your bespin package. Let me know when you've got it shaped up and I"ll look again. | 20:52 |
| smarter | ScottK: that's strange, I followed what lintian said ([:u] instead of ΓΌ), I don't know if there's another way :/ | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Hmmm | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Kmanpart displays it correctly, so I'm not going to worry about it then. | 20:57 |
| smarter | ScottK: how do you get this warning? | 20:57 |
| ScottK | Ran lintian -Ii against the .deb | 20:57 |
| ScottK | That's a big i and an little i | 20:57 |
| smarter | it doesn't output anything | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Do you have the version from gutsy-backports or Hardy? | 20:58 |
| smarter | I'm running hardy | 20:58 |
| ScottK | Hmmm | 20:59 |
| smarter | --help says v1.23.42 | 20:59 |
| ScottK | Weird. Same version I've got. | 21:00 |
| * ScottK is gonna go ahead and upload it. | 21:00 | |
| smarter | hold on a sec' | 21:00 |
| ScottK | K | 21:01 |
| smarter | strange | 21:02 |
| smarter | I ran lintian on kde4-style-bespin_0.1\~svn080206-0ubuntu1_source.changes and got "md5sum-mismatch-in-changes-file", it disappeared after another debuild -S -sa | 21:02 |
| smarter | should I reupload? | 21:02 |
| ScottK | It probably means you changed something. | 21:03 |
| smarter | I'm uploading, we'll see the debdiff ;) | 21:03 |
| ScottK | K | 21:04 |
| smarter | ScottK: it is empty :o http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/diff.py?upid1=1874&upid2=1883 | 21:10 |
| ScottK | Yeah | 21:11 |
| * ScottK is gonna upload unless you want another shot at it. | 21:11 | |
| smarter | ScottK: go ahead :) | 21:12 |
| ScottK | Done. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. | 21:13 |
| smarter | thank you too (: | 21:14 |
| coreymon77 | nosrednaekim: you around? | 21:14 |
| smarter | The QDevelop package is close to be ready now I think | 21:14 |
| smarter | I'm talking with the upstream author to get ride of the get-orig-source | 21:14 |
| smarter | the fact that he is french help a lot :) | 21:15 |
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| seele | how do you know which kde project to submit a bug under in launchpad? | 22:45 |
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| nixternal | heh, watching Jonos talk at SCALE, and the LOCO map he is showing is mine..need to tell him that I didn't copyright for him to use :p | 22:53 |
| nixternal | seele: you kind of need to know I guess...it can be a pita at times | 22:53 |
| nixternal | you need to know what apps belong to kdebase, kde* this and that | 22:54 |
| seele | yeah.. which i dont really know | 22:54 |
| mhb | launchpad is not all roses | 22:54 |
| nixternal | so true | 22:54 |
| mhb | do you know of any profound git vs. bzr article? | 22:54 |
| nixternal | I don't even understand it fully and I have been messing with it for a few years now | 22:55 |
| nixternal | mhb: there is an article out there that actually goes over quite a few of the revision control systems | 22:55 |
| nixternal | it is fairly recent too | 22:55 |
| mhb | because I thought git is harder to use, but then I read the tutorial and it seems quite easy to use | 22:55 |
| mhb | also "git dissect" seems awesome | 22:55 |
| nixternal | git is pretty nice, so is mercurial | 22:55 |
| mhb | there's a lot of apps adopting git | 22:56 |
| mhb | and you know I am very much against having two apps do the same thing | 22:56 |
| mhb | if git were as good as bzr, I'd say use it. | 22:57 |
| mhb | of course, I'm very much like Linus sometimes. | 22:57 |
| mhb | (w.r.t. opinions, not skill :o) | 22:58 |
| ScottK | If I ran into bzr anywhere but Ubuntu I'd consider it. | 22:58 |
| toma | quote alert | 22:58 |
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| mhb | toma: quote alert? | 22:58 |
| mhb | :o) | 22:58 |
| nixternal | whenever I push or pull large updates with bzr, I kind of feel like I am watching a "Windows Update"...a little movement, but who knows what is going on :) | 22:58 |
| mhb | I meant I'm a self-centered bastard, not a good programmer | 22:59 |
| * nixternal goes to put on some lotion | 22:59 | |
| mhb | nixternal: well if there was an app that does the same thing but faster (and git is by all references faster) | 22:59 |
| seele | it puts it on its skin, or it gets the hose again | 22:59 |
| ScottK | nixternal: TMI | 23:00 |
| mhb | what do you folks think? | 23:01 |
| mhb | do you have any XP with git? Bad ones, preferably? | 23:01 |
| selckin | git is great | 23:02 |
| mhb | selckin: well | 23:03 |
| ScottK | Both git and bzr take some mindset adjustments when coming from cvs/svn that I haven't had the spare brain cycles to get through yet. | 23:03 |
| nixternal | seele: hahaha, quit watching Joe Dir! | 23:03 |
| nixternal | err, Joe Dirt, pronounced Deertay | 23:03 |
| selckin | ones you get over that ScottK you'll never want to use anything but git | 23:03 |
| ScottK | May be. Dunno yet. | 23:04 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I am with you and those brain cycles...SVN is just so much easier for me | 23:04 |
| mhb | selckin: I would be happy if you were right | 23:04 |
| mhb | selckin: however, I am a science-type guy, and I like facts | 23:04 |
| nixternal | ya, I heard people say the same thing about Mercurial | 23:04 |
| nixternal | but why is the executabled called 'hg'? | 23:05 |
| selckin | git is just a better mercurial | 23:05 |
| nixternal | hg clone http://some.where.on.the.net/ | 23:05 |
| mhb | nixternal: you don't know? | 23:07 |
| mhb | nixternal: man you were bad at chemistry | 23:07 |
| nixternal | yup, failed it and never took it again | 23:07 |
| nixternal | and that was about 20 years ago too | 23:07 |
| mhb | nixternal: we had to take it | 23:07 |
| mhb | nixternal: for about 5 years | 23:08 |
| mhb | at high school | 23:08 |
| nixternal | I got around it by taking Biology and Botany | 23:08 |
| mhb | hg is a chemical name for mercury | 23:08 |
| mhb | hydrargyrum | 23:08 |
| ScottK | name/symbol for the pedantic in the room. | 23:08 |
| mhb | ScottK: me? | 23:09 |
| mhb | or what do you mean? | 23:09 |
| mhb | ah, now's the bad part - the bad old guy is going to shoot Farrell | 23:10 |
| ScottK | hg is a chemical symbol, not a chemical name. | 23:34 |
| mhb | ScottK: and I am Czech, not English. | 23:34 |
| ScottK | Of course. | 23:35 |
| ScottK | The pedantic one was me. | 23:35 |
| mhb | ScottK: but thanks, next time I'll try to say it correctly. | 23:35 |
| mhb | silent again? aww | 23:50 |
| seaLne | nixternal: so did you work out if the kubuntu tshirts would fit you? | 23:51 |
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