[01:21] nosrednaekim: hey! youre finally applying for membership [01:21] ! [01:21] :) [01:21] Riddell: since i cant make it to the meeting tomorrow, i need my sleep [01:21] Riddell: i hereby give my 900000000% +1 to nosrednaekim, he really deserves it [01:22] oooooo wait.... 6am tomorrow morning? youch.... [01:22] nosrednaekim: yup [01:22] nosrednaekim: id love to be there, i just cant [01:22] nosrednaekim: but i give you my +1 now [01:22] Riddell: okay? [01:22] I think its acceptable if you send it to the mailing list. [01:23] that reminds me tu set up my wireless connection so I can join in tomorrow... [01:23] nosrednaekim: trust me, i know, i applied through the mailing list, they made an exception for me since i could never make it to the meetings [01:23] ^_^ [01:23] man, id really like to be there for nosrednaekim, but i just cant [01:23] that really sucks [01:24] haha, hope I can be there.... [01:24] claydoh: hey, would you mind asking them to consider membership after 11:30 [01:25] Riddell: ping [01:25] Riddell: you there? [01:25] nosrednaekim: then i could be there for you too! [01:25] coreymon77: nah... its past midnight there. [01:25] they should, but I will try to remember that for you :0 [01:25] claydoh: where did Riddell go? [01:26] coreymon77: he lives in UTC time... its past midnight there [01:26] coreymon77: dunno, prob asleep? [01:26] so, im on irc past midnight [01:26] just not at 6 am [01:27] claydoh: how long is the meeting expected to go [01:27] nosrednaekim: because we are in the same time zone right? [01:27] coreymon77: hour ussually [01:27] coreymon77: EST [01:27] yup [01:27] dunno, usually from what I see, it is about an hour, tho some loot to have gone longer [01:28] nosrednaekim: so you are asking them to delay the member consideration for a good 4.5 hours? [01:28] I have not made it in a while, many meetings are after a night shift for me, so I can't make it [01:28] no.... 11:30 UTC [01:29] oh [01:29] which is? [01:30] nosrednaekim: for us [01:30] 6:30 [01:32] oh, still cant make it [01:35] hey cory :) [01:36] * claydoh thinks sleep is overrated :) 5-6hrs is plenty === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 === uga|away is now known as uga === uga is now known as uga|away [09:03] looks like I won't be able to come to the meeting *again*... sorry :( [09:04] oh wait... 11+8 = 19... 7pm... might make it after all :( [09:05] er :) [09:47] nixternal: multirow is done automagically, when space doesn't last anymore [09:50] jpatrick: I saied merging btw, and get the debian maintainer to have a look at our changes, since they are probably as useful to them as to us [10:19] oh, so that's why i can't go to bed yet. [10:23] * jpatrick waves to the channel [10:24] apachelogger__: poke pusling in #debian-qt-kde then :) [10:54] Hobbsee: you do syncs? [10:54] jpatrick: not usually. there's a sync script, though. why? [10:54] bug #190320 [10:54] Launchpad bug 190320 in ubuntu "Please sync kde-style-domino 0.4-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190320 [10:56] jpatrick: it tends to be more effective to wait for them to us ethe proper scripts [10:56] i'll only tend to sync things if it's something massively broken and important [10:56] I used requestsync [10:56] ** Kubuntu meeting in three minutes #ubuntu-meeting [11:01] jpatrick: Riddell can sync xwith teh proper scripts [11:02] Hobbsee: are your hands frozen or are you !leet? :D [11:02] the latter. [11:03] jpatrick: i don't work for canonical. [11:03] Hobbsee: didn't say you did [11:04] jpatrick: to expand on that, using the leet scripts that work well require access on canonical machines, which only employees have. [11:04] Hobbsee: ah, I see. [11:07] smarter: still working on it [11:08] ok [11:14] kiefer: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu [11:14] Thanks mate [11:16] kiefer: take a look at that, and tell us what you'd prefer to spacialize in [11:18] Okay, just finished reading it and heres my thoughts- [11:18] Im currently studying for a diploma in IT (Programming and Software Dev.) So programming is a possibility, Im a pretty good Doc Writer (If I do say so) so that sounds like a good starting option, and as for artwork...well...im crap - lol :P [11:19] kiefer: nixternal is your man if you want doc work [11:19] Would that be a good place for me to start? [11:20] I think the focus now is KDE 4 docs [11:20] Some simple programming work would also be happily accepted, Im always willing to learn new things [11:20] Ive been writing C/C++ code for about a year [11:20] and Java for about 2 years [11:21] re KDE 4 docs... the most important part is actually creating them afaik... but yeah, nixternal is the one you should poke about tit [11:21] it* [11:21] damn typo... [11:21] Haha [11:21] kiefer: bzr co --lightweight http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy [11:21] How should I go about contacting him? [11:21] kiefer: bug fixing is also always a good thing ;) [11:21] kiefer: he's in here, sleeping [11:21] always :) [11:21] kiefer: when he's awake (in a few hours), just mention his name :) [11:22] kiefer: that command will get you the lastest documentation, that you can look around at [11:22] Haha will do, im in Australia, and its like 10pm here, Ill be awake till about 4am [11:23] Okay sweet, ill grab it now [11:23] Thanks :) [11:25] kiefer: as for programming, you could ask mhb [11:25] kiefer: oh then tomorrow.. around.. um... hm.. Hobbsee what time (your time) do you usually catch nixternal? [11:26] jpatrick: for python, that is [11:26] * Hobbsee thinks [11:26] lunchtime or something? [11:26] afternoon? [11:28] Well im always around so i will no doubt cross paths with him soon :P [11:28] he'll be awake in a few (1 or 2) hours I bet [11:29] Yeah ill be around, im watching Bad Boys atm, and it only just started so, ill be around [11:30] And mhb, when should he be around? [11:32] he's one of our python go-to guys... he should be around around this time iirc... [11:32] he was just in the meeting before [11:32] kiefer: no clue [11:33] Lmao damn.. [11:33] oh yeah right... he's here [11:33] mhb: Well tell him to PM when he is around :) [11:34] PM me* [11:36] kiefer: I'll have something now, I'll PM you later today, if you don't mind [11:37] No problem, Im gonna be around for a few hours anyway :) [11:41] I'm off, will be back later today. [11:41] my +1 to Mike if he appears :o) [11:45] Yeah Im off to make some food (Japanese noodles ftw :P) I'll be back in an hour or two to get more indo on how I can help :) [11:45] info* [11:47] nosrednaekim: !!!!!!!! [11:48] nosrednaekim: #ubuntu-meeting [11:48] :-) [11:48] sorry! [11:48] the alarm did wakemeup...lol === gribelu_ is now known as gribelu [12:37] ups, forgot about meeting... [12:37] .... [12:38] bad Lure. === jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | KDE 4.0.1! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Meeting Wed 20 23:00UTC [12:38] * Hobbsee almost forgot [12:38] <_< [12:38] Hobbsee: kids need me too ;-) [12:38] * Lure -> lunch, bbl for plasma meeting at least [12:39] Lure: you're very wanted, then ;) [12:39] Wed 20 23:00UTC < right date? [12:40] I was about to ask.. what day would that be... [12:40] on our two-week thing, yes [12:45] I might be able to make it to the next meeting too ! [12:45] yay [12:45] i think I have that day off, usually am working [12:45] * Hobbsee won't be [12:45] not that it makes much difference at this point, but still [12:47] Hobbsee: it makes much difference... you're one of the very few people whose +1 is a heavyweight :) [12:47] we only have +0.5 :D [12:47] heh [12:48] sure, but only on memberships and such now [13:05] * Hobbsee wonders how easy it is to get teh old kmenu back [13:05] Hobbsee: easy [13:06] if you are talking about KDE4 [13:06] Hobbsee: just use the Application Launcher Menu [13:06] plasmoid [13:07] ah right [13:07] nosrednaekim: yes [13:07] Hobbsee: yes, there is a "traditional" menu applet [13:07] it's called the.. um... hm... [13:07] ah goody [13:07] Application Launcher Menu [13:08] * Hobbsee would only switch back at 4.1, most likely [13:08] set it up a lot like gnome [13:08] assuming all the bits were there [13:08] Jucato: so is the other one ;) [13:08] nosrednaekim: the kickoff one is "Application Launcher" only... [13:08] notice the word "Menu" [13:08] Jucato: oh excuse me... never mind :) [13:09] ya... it was cut off in my little add applet dialog ^_^ [13:09] :P [13:13] wow apparently I am now the lead for my (extremely inactive)LoCo team [13:51] Is there a naming scheme for packages containing plasma applets (e.g. start with kde4-plasmoid-.....) [14:24] * mhb is back, if anyone wanted a word with him [14:24] kiefer: ping [14:29] hrm [14:30] is it me or has Ubuntu (again) developed an utility without looking at Kubuntu and checking for a common backend? [14:31] is research really the uncool thing to do? [14:31] or why do people totally forget it? [14:31] the disk manager thing? [14:32] yeah [14:32] I just read that now [14:32] I agree [14:35] is there anything better for QT/KDE? [14:35] link? [14:36] We have mountconfig in guidance [14:36] claydoh: we have the very same config tool [14:36] claydoh: for 3 releases at least [14:37] so the sane thing to do would be to come over and say "hi, we want that too, could we arrange for a common backend so we have to write less code"? [14:38] lol sane [14:38] bad word... "wise" maybe [14:39] I'd understand if they used a different language or something... but when they use Python like us and they fail to contact us [14:39] it's a perfect example of a bad planning [14:40] no, sane was good :) [14:42] I expect them to say "sorry, our code is almost finished now, we're not going to do anything for any common core, if you want it, *you* do it" [14:44] typisch ubuntisch ... man, one silly post and I'm so mad :o) [14:58] Wow that was a great movie... Im back :) [15:00] kiefer: which one? [15:00] Bad boys and Bad Boys II :P [15:00] * jpatrick considers dumping Debian development [15:01] why so? [15:01] jpatrick: I thought you've just started [15:02] oh mhb, just the guy I'm looking for. do you have any recommended learning resource for Python for an intermediate C++ programmer like me? [15:03] Jucato: web or book? [15:03] I myself learned the basics from "Learning Python" [15:03] web or ebook.. can't afford to buy another book at the moment :( [15:03] isnt there an ebook in the repos? [15:03] dive into python? is it good? [15:04] !info diveintopython [15:04] diveintopython (source: diveintopython): free Python book for experienced programmers. In component main, is optional. Version 5.4-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 340 kB, installed size 4220 kB [15:04] the part about "experienced programmers" is the one that scares me :D [15:04] yeah.. dive into python is good! [15:04] jpatrick: so what's the problem? [15:04] Ive skimmed through dievintopython, and if you have done some C/C++ you should be able to comprehend most of it [15:04] yeah jpatrick? [15:04] where is the book once you install the package? [15:05] [Notice] -jpatrick- Sorry, I'm not here (not here ...) <-- hehehe [15:05] jussi01: /usr/share/doc [15:05] jussi01: thats the purpose of dpkg -L ;) [15:05] Jucato: ahh, thanks [15:05] kiefer: yeah I've done C++.. but not so extensive. only finished my book last month, so I'm still a bit green [15:06] Haha ohk, it tends to use lingo/jargon from other languages and show you their pythin counterparts [15:06] of course, Dive into Python is updated May 2004 according to the site :) [15:06] python* [15:06] pythin... nice way to pronounce it ;) [15:07] Jucato: I also have a free one from the web, more aimed at beginners, but you might want to look at it - byteofpython [15:07] Haha, Acer520 laptop keyboard - a little annoying [15:07] Jucato: I can email it across if you like [15:07] mhb: they have some "relibtoolize all KDE packages" [15:07] jussi01: if I can't find it in 5 minutes :) [15:07] Jucato: kk :P [15:08] ...policy [15:08] mhb: and I've tried five different ways I've found of doing it, and it doesn't cut the cheese... [15:08] jussi01: of course I found it and downloaded it already :P [15:09] thanks mhb, kiefer, jussi01 [15:09] I actually have a python book, "Practical Python"... unfortunately it left me more bewildered than enlightened after reading it [15:09] it does have some pretty nifty "practical" projects though [15:10] jpatrick: packaging isn't much fun anyway [15:10] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00439.html - background [15:11] jpatrick: I myself am trying to minimize my participation in FLOSS projects so I can kind of live the other life [15:11] mhb: good luck with that... === _czessi is now known as Czessi [15:12] Jucato: as for Python books, I tried many and didn't like them, coded by just fiddling with it [15:12] jpatrick: although I'm wondering why they are worrying/addressing that *now*, when KDE 4 practically resolves that admin/ problem, and we're not going to have much more 3.5.x releases in the future [15:12] kiefer: so, you wanted to talk to me about... [15:13] jpatrick: heh I'm not the tutorial type of guy I've realized... so I'm looking for good (e)books. :) [15:13] Jucato: that message is 3 years old [15:13] jpatrick: lol! didn't look at the date hahaha [15:13] Jucato: and yes, cmake kills off any "relibtoolize" hell [15:16] mhb: sorry i was reading something - Yeah i was interested in developing, starting with something simple, PM me maybe? [15:16] kiefer: I'm pretty sure we can talk here [15:16] it's on topic, after all [15:16] python bindings were just released for plasma.... ^_^ [15:16] Haha *Looks around the room cautiously* *whispers: you think its safe?* [15:17] kiefer: what languages do you know? [15:17] jpatrick: what exactly is the problem with the admin dir? [15:18] Been programming C/C++ for about 1 year, and Java for 2 or so years though i havent done C/C++ for a while [15:18] apachelogger: read mail [15:19] And a tiny bit of ASM, nothing very helpfull though lol [15:19] kiefer: I'm pretty sure it's safe... I mean I was creating sites with pornographic content even before I was of age :o) [15:19] makes a good reference :o) [15:19] roffffl [15:20] jpatrick: "evil and unnecessary files in it" not that this would explain it :P [15:20] So, I was told if i wanted to get in on developing and contributing, i would need to speak to you mhb [15:20] kiefer: sure [15:21] hhahah I specifically mentioned python :) [15:21] so don't blame me :P [15:21] But, the only issue is- [15:21] most of the apps we do are Python/QT, because you can do more in less time with python [15:21] im a native windows guy, i only migrated to kubuntu a month or so ago, still learning my way around [15:21] same as with any higher-level language [15:22] Yah, i took a peak a some python source, didnt seem to complex [15:22] apachelogger: basically a KDE package should not Depend: on a ton of other stuff, but the things it actually needs [15:22] kiefer: nah, it's pretty simple, that's the beauty of it [15:22] it shouldnt take me long to grasp the basics of Python [15:22] Haha ^_^ [15:22] jpatrick: other stuff would for example be? [15:22] apachelogger: and for some reason, admin creates a recursive dependency hell [15:22] well, recursive does mean it depends on the package eitherway, doesn't it? [15:23] I was hoping to get something simple to do first off, as i dont wanna commit to something i cant do [15:23] kiefer: of course, if you preferred the classic way of C++, you can join the KDE upstream project (those guys who participate in KDE) [15:23] but I guess starting with Kubuntu is a good thing [15:23] then perhaps finding the thing you like most [15:23] we're very beginner-friendly here [15:24] haha ive noticed [15:24] apachelogger: example: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55342/ [15:24] im rather keen to learn python [15:24] ive found there are few languages that cant be grasped in a short time after learning languages like C/C++ and Java [15:26] jpatrick: well, pretty obvious it's recursive... [15:27] ...which makes it a kinda pointless issue IMHO [15:27] pointless issues should either be fixed 100% automagically or not at all [15:27] apachelogger: yep, I know, but they're so keen on it [15:27] * jussi01 does a hardy dance :D "its hardy time, hardy time... " [15:27] mhhh, makes me not wanna join development I guess [15:28] kiefer: well, the main python project we have (which sadly doesn't have much attention) is guidance [15:28] jpatrick: would be a perfect job for people which get paied for the time they invest ;-) [15:28] it's a set of python/kde configuration tools [15:29] mhb: is there actually any port going on right now? [15:29] * apachelogger is wondering whether embedding the KDE 3 version in the KDE 4 systemsettings would work [15:29] mhb: Sounds cool, is there anything I can be responsible for? Im also getting into Doc writing.. [15:30] kiefer: get the source code by "apt-get source kde-guidance" and take a look at it [15:30] Will do [15:30] kiefer: try to read the code and understand what it does [15:30] I think the "userconfig" module is especially good for that - it's rather simple [15:30] Alright, ill get back at you in 5-10 mins [15:30] sure [15:30] apachelogger: no. [15:30] nice [15:30] * apachelogger goes testing [15:31] apachelogger: I've done some systemsettings KDE4 testing myself [15:31] mhb: where will the source be DL'd to? [15:31] your local directory [15:31] Ohk, cheers [15:31] mhb: got anywhere? [15:31] apachelogger: yes and no. [15:31] cool ;-) [15:32] apachelogger: the good thing is that systemsettings' entries are just .desktop files [15:32] apachelogger: the bad thing is the parser is very strict, so they must be bound with another .desktop file which must contain a link to a KDE4 KCM module [15:33] so you can't just create a .desktop file with a "Exec=" option and wish that it executes correctly [15:33] it doesn't [15:33] if it doesn't contain a link to the KCM library, it ignores the .desktop file [15:33] :S [15:34] mhb: could we create some wrapper libraries? [15:34] very basic code, just to invoce the actual cm [15:34] well, we could create a "dummy" KCM library that executes what we want it to [15:34] that could be possible [15:34] but it's not trivial [15:34] :S [15:35] so we probably should patch the parser [15:35] yes, that's option 2 [15:36] I expect it to be a bit easier [15:36] but you'd still have to do some code digging before you hit the gold [15:42] mhb: So ive skimmed through some of the source, and most of it seems pretty self explanitory - Nothing i cant cope with [15:47] kiefer: I guess we should start with Qt/KDE introduction [15:48] If you think thats whats needed, im really following your guidance here lol [15:48] kiefer: well those apps need porting to a new version of Qt, Qt4 (they're written in Qt3). The first task would be to design the UI in a Qt4 GUI building tool called "Qt designer" [15:48] okay [15:48] do continue.. [15:49] it has a package in Kubuntu called "qt4-designer" [15:49] should i be getting that now? [15:49] sure [15:50] btw there's also https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE from Riddell [15:50] you can launch the app using the command "python userconfig.py" or "python mountconfig.py" in the respective directory [15:51] so I guess your first "real" job should be to open mountconfig, launch the Qt4 Designer app and recreate the UI of mountconfig in that application [15:51] (I've already got userconfig covered, that's why I recommend mountconfig) [15:52] okie doke [15:53] ill have a look at mountconfig while qt4-designer is installing [15:53] kiefer: the Qt designer app is really great, because you can drag and drop GUI elements pretty fast [15:53] you'll get to know what they are called and stuff... [15:53] Haha, So it should be pretty simple? just mimic the existing interface right? [15:53] yeah [15:53] Sounds easy [15:54] kiefer: actually the old "mountconfig" makes a mistake of having the UI hardcoded [15:55] that's not a good practice because modifying it later is hard [15:55] ohk, yeah i can see where your coming from [15:55] using the Qt Designer you can create & edit stuff really easily, and it'll produce a file that can be used directly by your app [15:56] dynamically loaded too right? [15:56] right [15:56] wow, handy [15:57] Uh-Oh... [15:57] trouble? [15:57] Lemme paste-bin it [16:00] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55347/ [16:01] kiefer: hmm [16:02] kiefer: it looks like somebody started with UI porting already [16:02] that's good [16:02] Lol. the early bird gets the worm [16:02] you can try opening mountconfig-qt4.ui in Qt Designer [16:02] Okay, will do - its installing now [16:05] would the .ui file be in the mountconfig dir? [16:05] hmm [16:05] i only see 'fuser_ui.ui" [16:05] yes [16:05] you use Gutsy, I presume [16:05] Yeah [16:06] okay, plan B [16:06] you need to fetch the most up-to-date code by: [16:06] svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/extragear/kde3/utils/guidance (it creates a guidance/ directory with the code) [16:08] it uses the Version Control System called SVN to check out (fetch) the most recent version of guidance in the KDE SVN server [16:08] ohk, im installing svn atm :P [16:11] okay done, where did it place the guidance/ dir? [16:11] in the current directory again [16:11] I hope [16:11] haha ...yep it did [16:12] does it still produce the error when you run "python mountconfig.py" ? [16:13] ...yeah, unfortunatly [16:13] hrm, must be some library [16:13] is your system fully updated? [16:13] i believe so yeah === hunger_t is now known as hunger [16:14] though, i am rather kubuntu newb [16:14] strange [16:14] so i wouldnt trust what i say lol [16:14] could you try running "sudo apt-get update" in the console [16:14] sure [16:14] (which refreshes the list of packages) [16:15] yup, a big list [16:15] lol [16:15] then try "sudo apt-get build-dep kde-guidance" [16:15] kk [16:15] that should update (or install) all packages that are needed to build guidance [16:15] I hope it helps [16:15] haha i guess we'll find out soon :P [16:16] my net speed is suprisingley fast tonoght... [16:16] well, for wireless anyway ^_^ [16:16] tonight* [16:17] 179kb/s isnt bad considering its a pretty weak signal, the walls in my house are rather thick [16:26] Riddell: out of curiousity - are we going to see an official announcement about UDS soon? [16:27] mhb: okay, all guidance build packages now installed... [16:27] kiefer: did it help? [16:28] mhb: yup, works perfectly now :P [16:28] thank God [16:28] mhb: at some point yes, dunno when [16:28] haha [16:28] Riddell: okay, thanks. [16:29] mhb: So should I move onto building a copy of it in qt4-designer now? [16:30] kiefer: well, first open the "mountconfig-qt4.ui" file and check how complete it is [16:30] will do [16:31] where should "mountconfig-qt4.ui" be located? [16:32] in the mountconfig/ directory [16:32] in the SVN checkout [16:32] is it there? [16:33] the only 'ui file in there is fuser_ui.ui :S [16:33] .ui* [16:33] hmm [16:33] that means only one thing [16:33] the world is coming to an end? [16:33] i broke it? [16:33] aliens exist? [16:33] that I myself have tried to do it earlier [16:34] well [16:34] let me paste bin it [16:34] okie [16:35] though i must warn you, while i greatly appreciate all the time you spending helping me out here, its almost 3:30am here, and i need sleep soon lol [16:35] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55355/ [16:35] ah, sorry [16:36] Haha no problem, ive still got 15-30 mins in me [16:37] with the pastebin text, i should save that as a *insert file extension here* file? [16:37] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55356/ for the fuser_ui-qt4.ui [16:38] as a .ui file [16:38] both of them [16:38] okie doke [16:39] hmm [16:39] so I guess the best thing to do [16:39] would be to look at those two [16:39] and create a .ui file for serviceconfig [16:39] I haven't tried that one yet :o) [16:39] now you have reference examples, which is even better :o) [16:40] yeah :P cheers [16:40] so I propose you go to sleep today and try it tomorrow or whenever you have time [16:40] haha, ill poke around for a bit then head off [16:40] great ... I hope we'll meet again :o) [16:40] me too :) [16:42] So to clarify, my goals for 2moz are: *Insert goals here please :) * [16:43] two words "world domination" [16:43] thats been a goal for a long time ^_^ [16:43] kiefer: just try and sketch the serviceconfig UI in the Qt4 designer app [16:44] okay, ill hop to it in the morning, for now i think your right - bed time *yawns* [16:44] once you think it behaves well (there's a Preview option there so you can check how it looks like), we'll move on [16:44] Night guys [16:44] okay awesome :) [16:44] night [16:44] night [16:44] and thanks [16:44] hope you don't change your mind in the morning :o) [16:44] (too late) [16:44] heh [16:44] right. [16:45] mhb got himself an apprentice :) [16:45] Jucato: well [16:45] * Jucato imagines mhb in a Donald Trump way :) [16:45] Jucato: I've lost ~3 of those real fast [16:45] ok, now that Trump image fits perfectly then :P [16:45] * Jucato imagines mhb point... "You're fired" [16:45] hehe :o) [16:46] it's usually "thanks for the enthusiasm, I hope to hear from you soon" [16:46] and they never come back [16:46] not that I'm angry :o) [16:46] that's how it works [16:46] for every 3 of them there's one nosrednaekim that stays [16:46] and that counts [16:47] oh nosrednaekim was your apprentice? [16:47] nosrednaekim: congratulations on so many +1s at the meeting [16:47] * Jucato stays away.... [16:47] no, not really [16:47] * nosrednaekim is now a multimillion $ reality show winner.... [16:47] do you still need nixternal's +1? same as claydoh? [16:47] yeah, I think so [16:47] won't be too hard :) [16:48] just give nixternal a shiny holographic vista sticker and you're good to go :P [16:48] nosrednaekim: too bad my +1 doesn't count (yet), otherwise you'd get it :o) [16:48] mhb: you'll have your chance... council changes in May :D [16:48] excellent [16:49] better start my campaign soon [16:50] mhb: I think you've been doing the campaign for the past two years :) [16:51] mhb: BTW, how is the new restricted manager going? [16:52] !nixternal [16:52] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [16:53] bwahaha [16:53] mhb: what campaign? as if you had any competition around :) [16:54] * jussi01 goes to nominate, just so mhb can feel good when he wins... [16:54] 3 months too early? :) [16:55] Jucato: you can never start too early :P [16:55] * Jucato winds back the clock to 2006 [16:55] ok start now :) [16:55] LOL [16:57] jussi01: well, there will be 2 places anyway [16:57] nosrednaekim: I wanted to hack on it right now, but I mentored a newcomer for a while [16:58] nosrednaekim: it's pretty much working, just 2 larger things to do: download progress and notification icon [16:58] hehe, dont think Im really experienced enough to go for it really... [16:58] I guess so. [16:58] I thought adept_batch had download rate? [16:58] nosrednaekim: it does [16:58] nosrednaekim: but you need to download firmware, too [16:58] nosrednaekim: for some drivers [16:58] * jussi01 goes to reboot, from the live cd to hardy [16:58] oh.... right. [16:58] nosrednaekim: and that has to be done within r-m [16:58] speaking of adept batch... [16:59] mhb: I think there's a bug, dunno if it's really adept_batch, but looks more like language-selector-qt. since it's python, you might want to check it out or send someone to check it out :) [17:00] Jucato: in hardy? # ? [17:00] bug 129186 [17:00] Launchpad bug 129186 in adept "language-selector-qt false success notification" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129186 [17:00] there's a bug in Kaffeine that forced me to use Totem for viewing MPFC yesterday [17:00] since gutsy... [17:01] I'm actually thinking it's language-selector-qt, despite my last comment. seems like Adept Batch does return a value depending on success or failure, but the selector doesn't do anything about it if the user cancels downloading [17:02] er.. not my last comment, but the 2nd to the last :P [17:04] * Jucato will have to ask mornfall or yuriy for some small adept help next week if he still can't figure out how Installer works by then... [17:10] http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=5 << ubuntu catch-up ^_^ [17:11] nosrednaekim: I've ranted about it a while ago [17:11] nosrednaekim: it's not nice of them to dismiss our implementation and hack their own backend without trying to ask us on cooperating [17:11] heh... was some of the code borrowed from our mount config? [17:12] nosrednaekim: they've never asked about sharing code [17:12] maybe they just took :) [17:12] nosrednaekim: so unless they took it without saying, they developed their own backend [17:12] ouch..... [17:13] which means someone will have to create a common backend soon [17:13] or otherwise, their app will get all the fixes and we'll just bit rot [17:13] I'm afraid they're going to say "sorry, our backend is finished, if you want to have a common core, *you* write it" [17:14] which is painfully typical. [17:14] so some good-natured Kubuntu fellow will have to fix their incorrect approach to research [17:20] >.< [17:39] hi everyone [17:39] how did the meeting go [17:40] it was not much [17:40] did nosrednaekim get +1? [17:41] yes but there wasn't enough council members [17:41] he deserves it [17:41] he deserved it before i ever did [17:42] i would have been there, it was just too early for me [17:44] Riddell: do you think that someone would add the packaging bits to the jockey kde frontend if I managed to finish the code soon? [17:49] * ScottK guesses jpatrick or apachelogger_ would be all over it. [17:50] hehe [17:50] Am I wrong? [17:50] mhb: ye can bet your keyboard on that :P [17:53] apachelogger_: groovy. [17:56] mhb: finished, just need the code :P [17:58] apachelogger_: I'm trying [18:10] * apachelogger_ is branching k-d-s [18:14] So, I've heard that there are going to be better Perl bindings for KDE4. [18:18] Ooh: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Perl+Qt4?content=69747 [18:19] Perl? [18:19] hmm [18:19] Yea :) [18:19] I love Python. [18:19] really. [18:19] That's cool. [18:20] Perl and Python know how to play nice from what I've heard :P [18:20] I love Ruby. [18:20] They're both pretty strong glue languages. [18:20] of course, Lisp is nice, too :o) [18:20] Ruby is neat, syntactically, but its runtime is slow and buggy still. [18:21] Perl has been around for 20 years now. Python's been around at least half as long. Ruby needs to take time to catch up. [18:21] * manchicken doesn't follow Python as much since it doesn't pay his bills... [18:22] Woah woah woah, this guy replaced all of the Qt4 array-type classes (e.g. qvector, qlist) with Perl arrays... [18:22] That's kinda stupid. [18:22] Not even the Qt3 bindings did that. [18:23] The Qt3 bindings had everything except for the network and filesystem classes. [18:23] And threading classes. [18:23] Which made them great for GUI scripts, but not so much for applications. [18:25] The Perl Gnome2 libraries even give you VFS access. That's nice. [18:25] manchicken: I'm a perl+Python+Ruby guy [18:25] I'd like to see better Perl bindings for KDE. [18:25] jpatrick: Cool. I'm mostly Perl, but I've played in Python and Ruby, too. [18:27] What's hilarious is that I bet I could use Qt3 libraries for the GUI and gnome2::vfs libraries for the actual asynchronous I/O and they'd work better together than just Qt3 or Qt4 bindings by themselves. [18:27] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132994 [18:27] KDE bug 132994 in general "Pluto is not a planet" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [18:27] Very nice. [18:27] jpatrick: Got your SRU proposal ready for that? [18:27] But the fix hasn't been released yet? [18:28] ScottK: :) === coreymon77 is now known as [newnick] === [newnick] is now known as coreymon77 [18:49] * apachelogger_ needs a Riddell [18:50] jpatrick: do you think splitting k-d-s in kde3 and kde4 makes all that much sense? [18:50] apachelogger_: yes, not everyone wants KDE 4 [18:51] Dear all KDE4 fanboys: Please don't break my existing, working KDE3 install that I use every day for actual $WORK and needs to not die. [18:51] jpatrick: yeah [18:51] but the paths are different anyway [18:52] apachelogger_: If you want something to do, updating eric to 4.1.0 might be nice. [18:52] also, if we split, either -kde4 needs to depend on the kde3 or we have to duplicate the data [18:53] ScottK: eric? [18:53] It's an Python IDE written in QT. It's an alternative to Idle (thing Monty Python references). [18:54] * apachelogger_ raises his finger [18:54] * jpatrick hugs his vim [18:54] ruby [18:54] ScottK: see what I said about Ruby and apachelogger_ ? :-) [18:54] Which finger? [18:55] the one I press the J button with :P [18:55] s/button/key [18:56] jpatrick: I'm pretty sure I'm about to advocate kde4-style-bespin if you want to be looking it over again to we might get it uploaded. [18:56] * apachelogger_ is wondering [18:57] didn't I advocate? [18:57] or did I wait for someone else, since I was ready to upload? [18:57] *shrug* [18:57] ScottK: I thought I did [18:57] ah [18:57] I think I wanted an update [18:57] so apparently I did wait for jpatrick to advocate :P [18:58] jpatrick: You did, but he had some stuff to fix, so it needs it again. [18:58] ScottK: if he did +1 [18:58] jpatrick: Please go to REVU and mark it. [18:59] I am, it's just lagging [18:59] K [19:01] ScottK: done [19:02] K. Just finished the test build here. Let me check a few things and then I'll probably upload it. [19:16] Riddell: sorry for missing the meeting today - I am fine giving my +1 for nosrednaekim and claydoh [19:16] * Lure still needs to integrate one nosrednaekim's patch in guidance ;-) [19:18] Riddell: re: kmilo brightness support: I can easly give you debdiff for dcop, but problem is that gutsy testers claim that it does not help :-( [19:23] jpatrick: Sadly no. That wasn't it. The man page error persists. === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [20:01] Riddell: claydoh and nosrednaekim get a +1 from me [20:04] mornin' by the way :) [20:04] will addiotnal widgets only bereleased through the extragears package or can somoene get them from something like kde-look? [20:04] its afternoon nixternal [20:04] jjesse: yes [20:04] :) [20:04] to both actually [20:04] I think widgets will be able to be pulled in from the Get Hot New Stuff stuff [20:04] but not in the hardy time frame? [20:04] ya, I just woke up about 30 minutes ago :) [20:04] 4.1 [20:04] so hardy+1 [20:05] ok [20:05] will the extragears package be installed via default [20:08] also what is the name of the icon in the top right of my desktop? [20:08] Riddell: kde4 stuff pushed sto k-d-s, please have a look at it [20:08] that allows me to add packages, zoom out, etc? [20:12] jjesse: Plasma Toolbox [20:12] thanks Lure [20:12] jjesse: from here http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ [20:24] ah thanks page is helping out [20:26] why aren't default kde applications in spell check? [20:26] such as Kopete shows up as misspelled in open office [20:28] jjesse: Open Office isn't a KDE application is I would guess the reason. [20:29] yeah i but i iwsh ther was a way for the kde apps to already in spell check [20:29] heck the "ubuntu apps" [20:30] make it :) [20:49] iirc, there's an "ubuntu" dictionnary in the OOo shipped by ubuntu [20:52] smarter: I still got the same error on your bespin package. Let me know when you've got it shaped up and I"ll look again. [20:55] ScottK: that's strange, I followed what lintian said ([:u] instead of ΓΌ), I don't know if there's another way :/ [20:55] Hmmm [20:57] Kmanpart displays it correctly, so I'm not going to worry about it then. [20:57] ScottK: how do you get this warning? [20:57] Ran lintian -Ii against the .deb [20:57] That's a big i and an little i [20:58] it doesn't output anything [20:58] Do you have the version from gutsy-backports or Hardy? [20:58] I'm running hardy [20:59] Hmmm [20:59] --help says v1.23.42 [21:00] Weird. Same version I've got. [21:00] * ScottK is gonna go ahead and upload it. [21:00] hold on a sec' [21:01] K [21:02] strange [21:02] I ran lintian on kde4-style-bespin_0.1\~svn080206-0ubuntu1_source.changes and got "md5sum-mismatch-in-changes-file", it disappeared after another debuild -S -sa [21:02] should I reupload? [21:03] It probably means you changed something. [21:03] I'm uploading, we'll see the debdiff ;) [21:04] K [21:10] ScottK: it is empty :o http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/diff.py?upid1=1874&upid2=1883 [21:11] Yeah [21:11] * ScottK is gonna upload unless you want another shot at it. [21:12] ScottK: go ahead :) [21:13] Done. Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu. [21:14] thank you too (: [21:14] nosrednaekim: you around? [21:14] The QDevelop package is close to be ready now I think [21:14] I'm talking with the upstream author to get ride of the get-orig-source [21:15] the fact that he is french help a lot :) === apachelogger_ is now known as OneTwink [22:45] how do you know which kde project to submit a bug under in launchpad? === uga|away is now known as uga [22:53] heh, watching Jonos talk at SCALE, and the LOCO map he is showing is mine..need to tell him that I didn't copyright for him to use :p [22:53] seele: you kind of need to know I guess...it can be a pita at times [22:54] you need to know what apps belong to kdebase, kde* this and that [22:54] yeah.. which i dont really know [22:54] launchpad is not all roses [22:54] so true [22:54] do you know of any profound git vs. bzr article? [22:55] I don't even understand it fully and I have been messing with it for a few years now [22:55] mhb: there is an article out there that actually goes over quite a few of the revision control systems [22:55] it is fairly recent too [22:55] because I thought git is harder to use, but then I read the tutorial and it seems quite easy to use [22:55] also "git dissect" seems awesome [22:55] git is pretty nice, so is mercurial [22:56] there's a lot of apps adopting git [22:56] and you know I am very much against having two apps do the same thing [22:57] if git were as good as bzr, I'd say use it. [22:57] of course, I'm very much like Linus sometimes. [22:58] (w.r.t. opinions, not skill :o) [22:58] If I ran into bzr anywhere but Ubuntu I'd consider it. [22:58] quote alert === OneTwink is now known as apachelogger [22:58] toma: quote alert? [22:58] :o) [22:58] whenever I push or pull large updates with bzr, I kind of feel like I am watching a "Windows Update"...a little movement, but who knows what is going on :) [22:59] I meant I'm a self-centered bastard, not a good programmer [22:59] * nixternal goes to put on some lotion [22:59] nixternal: well if there was an app that does the same thing but faster (and git is by all references faster) [22:59] it puts it on its skin, or it gets the hose again [23:00] nixternal: TMI [23:01] what do you folks think? [23:01] do you have any XP with git? Bad ones, preferably? [23:02] git is great [23:03] selckin: well [23:03] Both git and bzr take some mindset adjustments when coming from cvs/svn that I haven't had the spare brain cycles to get through yet. [23:03] seele: hahaha, quit watching Joe Dir! [23:03] err, Joe Dirt, pronounced Deertay [23:03] ones you get over that ScottK you'll never want to use anything but git [23:04] May be. Dunno yet. [23:04] ScottK: I am with you and those brain cycles...SVN is just so much easier for me [23:04] selckin: I would be happy if you were right [23:04] selckin: however, I am a science-type guy, and I like facts [23:04] ya, I heard people say the same thing about Mercurial [23:05] but why is the executabled called 'hg'? [23:05] git is just a better mercurial [23:05] hg clone http://some.where.on.the.net/ [23:07] nixternal: you don't know? [23:07] nixternal: man you were bad at chemistry [23:07] yup, failed it and never took it again [23:07] and that was about 20 years ago too [23:07] nixternal: we had to take it [23:08] nixternal: for about 5 years [23:08] at high school [23:08] I got around it by taking Biology and Botany [23:08] hg is a chemical name for mercury [23:08] hydrargyrum [23:08] name/symbol for the pedantic in the room. [23:09] ScottK: me? [23:09] or what do you mean? [23:10] ah, now's the bad part - the bad old guy is going to shoot Farrell [23:34] hg is a chemical symbol, not a chemical name. [23:34] ScottK: and I am Czech, not English. [23:35] Of course. [23:35] The pedantic one was me. [23:35] ScottK: but thanks, next time I'll try to say it correctly. [23:50] silent again? aww [23:51] nixternal: so did you work out if the kubuntu tshirts would fit you?