[00:02] <Bizurke> I've read that until PulseAudio is completely integrated there is no volume. Does this mean there is no volume control at all or that PulseAudio is just limited in the current state?
[00:06] <ethana2> we have basic volume control
[00:06] <Bizurke> great :-)
[00:06] <Tuv0k> anyone using deluge?
[00:07] <Tuv0k> are you 64bit, and is it stable?
[00:07] <Tuv0k> trashmission is slooooow
[00:08] <Dr_willis> I find that with most clients - its the  # of connections/settings and so forth that make them slow.  Not the actual client
[00:09] <RAOF> Bizurke: Once you've set things up in System->Preferences->Sound, everything should work.
[00:10] <RAOF> Bizurke: If you want the more specialised/cool features of pulseaudio (per-stream volume, swapping streams betwenn devices, etc), you'll want to install the padevchooser package, which pulls in all that UI.
[00:10] <Bizurke> I just wanted to make sure that I will have volume control in general
[00:10] <RAOF> Yes, it will.
[00:10] <Bizurke> thanks
[00:11] <RAOF> To make everything work like you'd hope you probably want to seth the default mixer track in System->Pref->Sound to the pulseaudio output.
[00:27] <rockets> Is hardy going to have fakeraid support in the installer?
[00:27] <lz7> http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1an8.png --- window title corruption bug with compiz enabled, and i think now it is "human" theme bug, cant reprodice this on custom themes
[00:30] <lz7> http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1bm0.png --- another screenshot, whole window title is missing
[00:31] <lz7> oh.. this is actually 2 screenshots in 1
[00:32] <lz7> i cant use compiz since ubuntu 7.04
[00:33] <lz7> and its not fixed in hardy
[00:34]  * enyc keeps hearding about huwan themee
[00:34] <enyc> ;puzzling
[00:37] <lz7> happens with "mist" theme too
[00:37] <lz7> :/
[00:38] <lz7> crazy http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3uo8.png
[00:38] <lz7> wrong title colors
[00:40] <RAOF> rockets: Probably not the live installer.  It should work in th ealternate installer, but I've never tried.
[00:40] <Bizurke> wow.. upgrade from a fresh (today) 7.04 is going to take a good while
[00:40] <rockets> RAOF, ok, thats fine.
[00:56] <c1|freaky> if i manually installed a kernel module, dont i have to reinstall that anymore after a kernel upgrade (apt) in hardy anymore?
[01:14] <DanaG> Gaack, stupid Super key.
[01:15] <DanaG> The 'key gets stuck' issue has pissed me off to the point where I'm now booted into Windows (even though Metacity would've still worked).
[01:17] <ethana2> DanaG: when i run into stuff like that, I use gutsy liveCD's ;)
[01:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[01:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:20] <ethana2> ohhhhhh
[01:20] <DanaG> It's a rather major issue for me.
[01:20] <ethana2> so its been around
[01:20] <ethana2> and we're trying to fix it before hardy is out
[01:20] <DanaG> It renders xorg (with compiz) unusable.
[01:21] <DanaG> I've only started having this issue since, oh, about a week or two ago.  I've been using Hardy since the first or second 2.6.24 package was released.
[01:22] <DanaG> I've had to go *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*       *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*          laaa deeee daaaa......        *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*           .... laaa dee. DAMNIT!  *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*
[01:22] <ethana2> As this is a LTS release, I expect a great focus on reliability and stability for the release..
[01:22] <ethana2> oh
[01:22] <ethana2> i ran into something like that
[01:22] <ethana2> gdm starting a new X every 6 seconds
[01:22] <DanaG> Not that.
[01:22] <ethana2> my dual seat, well i know its different
[01:22] <DanaG> It's me killing X because a key has gotten stuck and rendered the desktop unusable.
[01:22] <ethana2> but i get the frustration
[01:24] <DanaG> In about 6 hours yesterday evening (from 5 PM until at least midnight), I probably restarted Xorg about 15 or 20 times, if not more.
[01:25] <Pici> Yikes.
[01:31] <DanaG> Here's my status message I've now set in Pidgin, with line breaks removed:
[01:32] <DanaG> *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*    (key gets software-stuck...)   *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*          laaa deeee daaaa......        *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*           .... laaa dee DAMNIT!    *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*   .........   /me gives up and boots Windows for now.     Here's why:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[01:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:52] <ethana2> so when i plug in the brother DCP-7020 printer/scanner, it tells me to use the driver for the DCP-7025.. and it doesn't work right
[01:52] <ethana2> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/lpr_drivers.html
[01:52] <ethana2> so then I can choose between LPR and CUPS drivers and I don't even know what LPR is
[01:54] <ethana2> ..so I click on CUPS, DCP-7020, debian, and it gives me a .deb which I install..
[01:55] <ethana2> oh no, that's the LPR driver
[01:55] <ethana2> ...what?
[01:59] <ethana2> ohhhhhhh....   http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install5.html  ...joy
[02:01] <ethana2> Is this something I should file a bug on?  "I'm too lazy to install a driver for my Brother DCP-7020, please make it Just Work"
[02:09] <DanaG> What can I do about the keyboard stuckage?
[02:10] <lz7> ppl mentioning disablin key repeat in gnome
[02:11] <lz7> well... in DE
[02:15] <lz7> DanaG: they also mention different reasons for that issue, starting from dhcp client, to usb bus overload and kernel bugs
[02:17] <lz7> did you tried another distro?
[02:20] <lz7> i have a bunch of options in bios related to usb compatibility also, if your keyb is usb
[02:21] <DanaG> It's actually a laptop keyboard... PS/2.
[02:21] <DanaG> The issue only started about one or two weeks ago.
[02:21] <DanaG> If even that.
[02:21] <DanaG> I think there was some Xorg update in there somewhere.
[02:22] <lz7> if this is xorg update... then do a fresh install and don't update... problem solved
[02:22] <Pici> or.... file a bug.
[02:23] <lz7> already filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 and this thread is not assigned to anyone even
[02:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I need to search the hardy bugs for any fusesmb issues.
[02:31] <Dr_willis> once i figure out how to use launchpad.net to just show  hardy bugs. :)
[02:34] <DanaG> I'm also having that keyboard issue.
[02:34] <DanaG> It's a real showstopper, in my opinion.
[02:34] <DanaG> Oh wait, I see, you were linking somebody else to it.
[02:39] <rockets> Anybody here running hardy as their main OS?
[02:40] <RAOF> rockets: Yeah, I'm stupid enough to do that.
[02:40] <rockets> RAOF, how's it going?
[02:40] <RAOF> Fine.
[02:41] <RAOF> Basically, it's an issue of knowing enough to not break it.
[02:41] <RAOF> It's *extremely* easy to break accidentally and automatically.
[02:42] <rockets> RAOF, how does one avoid breaking it?
[02:42] <rockets> Or rather, what does break it?
[02:43] <lz7> i dont see much difference in hardy vs gutsy, them both broken
[02:43] <rockets> yeah
[02:44] <Pici> sigh.
[02:44] <rockets> i find gutsy very broken as well.
[02:44] <rockets> feisty was better
[02:44] <lz7> so hardy is perfectly fits to idea to use it
[02:45] <RAOF> rockets: By being *very* careful when you upgrade; you need to make sure nothing important is getting removed.
[02:45] <RAOF> By using aptitude; it's generally more verbose about what it's doing, and why.
[02:45] <RAOF> And by having backups!
[02:46] <rockets> RAOF, im just pining for b43
[02:46] <Pici> And often the first suggestion it makes when dependencies are messed up may not be the 'right one'
[02:46] <rockets> bcm43xx sucks.
[02:46] <rockets> im hoping b43 is much better
[02:47] <rockets> im almost tempted to run 6.06 until hardy comes out :-P
[02:47] <rockets> i feel like it might be more stable :-D
[02:48] <lz7> well i have no stability issues, if not play games with compiz enabled whatever
[02:48] <lz7> i'm even impressed
[02:48] <DanaG> I have that **** keyboard stuckage.
[02:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[02:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:49] <DanaG> That one's a showstopper for me now.
[02:49] <rockets> I just cant connect to about
[02:49] <rockets> oh.
[02:49] <rockets> 50% of wifi networks
[02:49] <lz7> well i noticed some apps crashing in hardy, but its even hardly noticable cuz my main app pidgin never crashed lol, but i know how to crash it btw
[02:49] <rockets> for no apparent reason
[02:50] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, do you have a bcm4318?
[02:50] <DanaG> *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*    (key gets software-stuck...)     *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*          laaa deeee daaaa......          *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*           .... laaa dee DAMNIT!       *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace*   .........
[02:50] <DanaG> /me gives up and boots Windows for now.
[02:50] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, I have a dell wireless 1390, dont remember which bcm that is
[02:51] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, 4311
[02:51] <UnNaturalHigh> ahhh, my bcm4318 works great
[02:51] <UnNaturalHigh> I am sure they will eventually get yours working well
[02:51] <rockets> i hope so.
[02:51] <rockets> its a little better in ndiswrapper
[02:51] <rockets> but not by much
[02:52] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, to be honest in windows broadcom chipsets suck too
[02:52] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, works fine for me in windows.
[02:52] <UnNaturalHigh> broadcom just make terrible wireless chipsets imho
[02:52] <rockets> Ill try to connect to wifi
[02:52] <rockets> fail
[02:52] <rockets> reboot to XP
[02:52] <rockets> and connect fine
[02:52] <rockets> to the same network
[02:52] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, are you running the latest kernel from the hardy repo's?
[02:53] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, im not running hardy at all.
[02:53] <rockets> i was just saying
[02:53] <rockets> that i hope b43 in hardy
[02:53] <rockets> fixes the problems ive had
[02:53] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, why not upgrade to the hardy kernel?
[02:53] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, because i dont want to break things?
[02:53] <rockets> or are you saying
[02:53] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, I only run 10 packages from hardy
[02:53] <rockets> run hardy kernel, with gutsy everything else?
[02:53] <rockets> I feel like that's somehow an awful idea.
[02:53] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, running kernel will not break things, except you may have to upgrade a nvidia package too
[02:53] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, or just compile a vanilla kernel
[02:53] <rockets> well, good thing I don't have an nvidia card then.
[02:54] <rockets> speaking of which, maybe i can run the hardy fglrx
[02:54] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, b43 is vastly superior to bcm43xx
[02:54] <lz7> i even cant understand why gutsy repository not updated you cant even install latesl kernel or drivers or apps
[02:54] <lz7> there is no "hardy" kernel
[02:54] <lz7> its gutsy kernel too
[02:54] <rockets> lz7, thats how releases work, they dont change version numbers within a release
[02:54] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, I haven't tried the fglrx, I run the ati one
[02:54] <Pici> lz7: If you want a rolling release, try Debian, Ubuntu doesnt work like that.
[02:55] <rockets> if you REALLY want a rolling release
[02:55] <rockets> use gentoo.
[02:55] <rockets> they update within like an hour of source releases :-P
[02:55] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, use arch over gentoo
[02:55] <rockets> same reasoning though.
[02:55] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, if you want we can add the hardy repo and pin it?
[02:55] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, huh?
[02:56] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, I can show you how to add the hardy repo and pin it so you can run just the kernel from the hardy repo
[02:56] <rockets> oh
[02:56] <rockets> well im not booted into linux right now
[02:56] <rockets> but is it just a config file?
[02:56] <UnNaturalHigh> so you came here just to complain about ubuntu from windows?
[02:56] <Pici> Its not really a good idea.
[02:56] <UnNaturalHigh> Pici, what is that?
[02:57] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, no, i came here to ask some questions, and i happen to be running windows right now.
[02:57] <Pici> UnNaturalHigh: Mixing and matching kernels.... and then subsequently expecting support.
[02:57] <rockets> Pici, who expected support?
[02:57] <UnNaturalHigh> Pici, works fine, and I don't get ubuntu support
[02:57] <UnNaturalHigh> ubuntu support is non-existent when you don't pay anything
[02:58] <Pici> I guess I spend too much time in #ubuntu explaining why its not a good idea.... just in the habit ;)
[02:58]  * UnNaturalHigh runs every distro under the sun
[02:58] <rockets> is b43legacy bcm43xx?
[02:58] <UnNaturalHigh> I just run ubuntu on one of my laptops
[02:58] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, no
[02:58] <rockets> so whats b43legacy then
[02:59] <UnNaturalHigh> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[02:59] <rockets> ive read that page
[02:59] <rockets> it doesnt really explain the difference between b43 and b43legacy
[03:00] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, check out softmac vs mac80211
[03:00] <rockets> right
[03:00] <rockets> i already know what those things are
[03:00] <rockets> if thats the difference, then awesome.
[03:01] <rockets> hmm. any ideas on how to install ubuntu if i dont have any blank cds.
[03:01] <lz7> use blank dvds
[03:01] <rockets> lz7, very funny.
[03:01] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone else here find the up_threshold of the ondemand governor to low for laptops?
[03:02] <UnNaturalHigh> rockets, http://lubi.sourceforge.net/
[03:02] <UnNaturalHigh> I can't say if it works, but I was considering trying it
[03:03] <UnNaturalHigh> tell me how it goes
[03:03] <UnNaturalHigh> looks stable though
[03:03] <rockets> UnNaturalHigh, lubi assumes i already have linux installed.
[03:03] <rockets> i dont on this pc
[03:03] <rockets> and wubi creates a weird type of install id prefer to avoid.
[03:04] <UnNaturalHigh> UNetbootin installer of 32-bit Ubuntu 7.10 for Windows ???
[03:04] <UnNaturalHigh> http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html
[03:06] <rockets> interesting
[03:06] <rockets> thanks
[03:06] <UnNaturalHigh> np
[03:06] <UnNaturalHigh> I'm out, going to workout
[03:06] <rockets> later
[03:11]  * DanaG curses the keyboard again.
[03:17] <DanaG> Yay, metacity.  At least now my <grrrrrrr> keyboard won't get stuck.
[03:20] <ethana2> ok, we're getting a little tired of waiting and are going to resume attempts to get this dual seat rig functional
[03:20] <ethana2> anybody want to help?  ^_^
[03:22] <ethana2> i'm using the xorg.conf and the gdm.conf-custom given to me here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/best-way-to-build-a-computer-for-2-users-567529/page2.html#post3045119
[03:22] <ethana2> and modifying them for my machine
[03:22] <ethana2> is there any major change I should know about with this version of xorg?
[03:23] <DanaG> Evdev is broken, for one.
[03:23] <ethana2> ohhhhhhh
[03:23] <ethana2> that could be a real problem
[03:24] <ethana2> because I'm asking it to handle six devices
[03:24] <ethana2> 2 keyboard, 2 mouse, multimedia buttons HID, USB power button
[03:24] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833
[03:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed]
[03:24] <ethana2> ..if the power button on the multimedia keyboard counts as something evdev..
[03:24] <ethana2> reading bug..
[03:27] <ethana2> that does look like a serious problem
[03:29] <ethana2> hmmmmmmmm
[03:29] <ethana2> An old version of Ubuntu would likely use old graphics card drivers, and I need as new as I can get
[03:29] <ethana2> but this version, being in alpha, has broken stuff right in evdev
[03:30] <ethana2> I'm going to have to say that I'm content with not succeeding now if I know I will later
[03:31] <DanaG> As long as the evdev brokenness isn't "by design"....
[03:34] <ethana2> hmmm...  One week until feature freeze
[03:34] <ethana2> If a comprehensive reworking of Screens and Graphics doesn't make the cut, I don't know exactly what I'm going to have to do
[03:35] <DanaG> I want a "changing wallpaper over time" feature as in Fedora 8.
[03:36] <ethana2> DanaG: have you tried using screensavers for that kind of thing yet?
[03:36] <ethana2> DanaG: or do you actually use desktop icons?
[03:36] <DanaG> I do use desktop icons -- especially when things crash and that's the only way to open a terminal.
[03:37] <ethana2> interesting
[03:37] <ethana2> the KDE folks say you can use anything as a background that you can code
[03:37] <ethana2> anything at all
[03:37] <ethana2> and still use desktop icons and plasma
[03:38] <ethana2> ..that'll be nice to get that feature into the pool, spur some competition there
[03:39] <DanaG> What would I have to do to suggest the feature?
[03:45] <ethana2> this may be a copout, but I think I'll just install userful for now
[03:52] <Dr_willis> userfull - wasent very usefull.. wheni tried it last week.
[03:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:55] <ethana2> E: desktop-multiplier: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[03:56] <ethana2> gahh
[03:56] <ethana2> Dr_willis: how many seats are you running?
[03:58] <Dr_willis> I belive i couldent even get the thing to boot properly....
[03:58] <ethana2> well, it did manage to crash compiz
[03:58] <Dr_willis> or am i getting similer named disrtos confused..
[03:58] <ethana2> ...and my system actually seems more responsive now, suprise surprise
[03:58] <Dr_willis> Im on 3rd shift now.. im confused a lot lately
[03:58] <DanaG> What should I do to make the suggestion of the wallpaper-changes-over-time thing?
[03:59] <ethana2> DanaG: that feature will be all the rage in a few months with fedora, KDE4, and Eubuntu
[03:59] <ethana2> DanaG: so I don't think you have to do anything
[03:59] <ethana2> Dr_willis:  rephrase ~ How many seats are you /trying/ to run?
[04:00] <DanaG> Because that thing immediately struck me as beautiful, when I installed Fedora 8 in a VM.
[04:00] <ethana2> yeah
[04:02] <DanaG> I'm also using the Fedora 8 theme, "Nodoka", with a less "OMG-so-bright-I-need-sunglasses" blue (from the "Jellyfish" theme on gnome-look).
[04:02] <ethana2> i think i remember nodoka looking spiffy
[04:03] <ethana2> like an ars technica review or something
[04:05] <DanaG> new word I use: nifty-spiffy   (hyphenated).
[04:05] <Dr_willis> was trying to do just 2. but Im so busy with other stuff right now.. i cant even rember what i did. :)
[04:05] <Dr_willis> i cant enen rember why i was trying to do 2 heh..
[04:05] <DanaG> That's the first blue theme I've ever found that didn't feel lame or cliche or overused.
[04:06] <ethana2> DanaG: I've heard that opinion before
[04:06] <DanaG> That's with the darker blue, for me.
[04:07] <ethana2> so it's a widget and window decorator theme, right?
[04:07] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah, nodoka looks cool.  I've got a Debian package on mentors for it.
[04:09] <ethana2> search doesn't work in gnome art manager
[04:10] <ethana2> is nodoka even in there?
[04:19] <RAOF> ethana2: No, it isn't.  It's a new gtk engine, and as such requires building.
[04:31] <crimsun> I'm liking svn trunk clearlooks + Clearlooks-flat-compact from gnome-look
[04:45] <ethana2> RAOF: I see...  cool
[04:54] <ethana2> well, it looks like the userful people aren't pulling a cedega
[04:54] <ethana2> they're actually innovating
[04:55] <ethana2> so I shouldn't mind supporting them..
[04:55] <ethana2> and be especially grateful for their free two seat non commercial license.
[04:55] <ethana2> ...so I'll be hoping it works on hardy soon
[05:06] <ionstorm> i got a good question, I have a hyperthreaded cpu, if I disable the hyperthreading will I notice a performance decrease?
[05:06] <Dr_willis> proberly.. and why would you want to.. :)
[05:06] <Dr_willis> depends on what you are doing also.
[05:07] <ionstorm> well for some reason my load time is always 2.00 +
[05:07] <ionstorm> with the hyperthreading enabled
[05:07] <ionstorm> with it disabled I idle at 0.00 not 2.00
[05:07] <ionstorm> just a lame bug that annoys me lol
[05:07] <Dr_willis> I noticed  when i had  upgraded this box to  hardy, that it was only seeing 1 cpu.
[05:07] <Dr_willis> a clean reinstall - now it sees both.
[05:08] <ionstorm> mine see's both but load averages are wack
[05:08] <ionstorm> why would I idle at 2.00 ?
[05:08] <Dr_willis> im not even sure what those #'s really mean
[05:09] <ionstorm> nm then hehe
[05:09] <DanaG> I wish there were a known solution to my keyboard bug, that didn't involve ditching compiz.
[05:10] <ionstorm> gnome needs its own compositing
[05:10] <ionstorm> compiz=bloat
[05:10] <ionstorm> buggy too
[05:11] <DanaG> Well, at least THIS bug has been fixed.
[05:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/188171
[05:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188171 in gnome-settings-daemon "user keyboard layout not loaded" [Low,Fix released]
[05:12] <DanaG> I haven't had any severe issues with compiz until this latest keyboard issue.
[05:12] <DanaG> And it's not compiz's fault -- it only started happening after some xorg update.
[05:12] <ionstorm> reconfigure xorg
[05:13] <DanaG> No, I'm not about to trash my nice touchpad config and such.
[05:13] <ionstorm> bbiab reboot
[05:16] <cyphase> What does everyone think about having the Add/Remove Programs dialog only show one of each type of app by default? It could be a simple checkbox to show the rest. So, instead of showing 5 different browsers, it would only have firefox, or instead of 5 different feed readers, it would only have one (e.g. Liferea)
[05:16] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, you sure have a lot of problems with ubuntu
[05:17] <ethana2> cyphase: people need to see choice to know they have it, most of the time
[05:17] <cyphase> ethana2: and you don't think a checkbox would be enough
[05:18] <cyphase> right in the main dialog
[05:18] <cyphase> or maybe, it wouldn't be default, but you'd have that option
[05:18] <cyphase> "Only show one of each type of program" [ ]
[05:18] <cyphase> something like that
[05:18] <ethana2> but then you have to pick which one
[05:18] <ethana2> epiphany or firefox?
[05:18] <ethana2> abiword or openoffice writer?
[05:19] <ethana2> ...and so on
[05:19] <Dr_willis> pornview, or gwenview, or irfanview, or ....
[05:19] <ethana2> or, you know, Kwriter or Konqueror if you're on kubuntu
[05:19] <Dr_willis> oh wait.. irfanview is windows. :P
[05:19] <ethana2> wow, is that an actual app?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> !info pornview
[05:19] <ubotu> pornview (source: pornview): Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-7ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 225 kB, installed size 668 kB
[05:19] <Dr_willis> Yes. :)
[05:19] <ethana2> wow.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> !find hotbabe
[05:20] <cyphase> ethana2: well, firefox has been picked
[05:20] <Dr_willis> medibuntu has a hotbabe - load meter. :)
[05:20] <ubotu> Package/file hotbabe does not exist in hardy
[05:20] <cyphase> so has openoffice, and evolution, and totem, etc etc
[05:20] <ethana2> firefox uses twice as much RAM as epiphany
[05:20] <ethana2> and gecko is gecko
[05:20] <cyphase> ethana2: but it's been picked
[05:20] <ethana2> yeah..
[05:20] <cyphase> ethana2: whether you or i agree or disagree is irrelevant in this regard
[05:21] <ethana2> hmm, well, it may even make add/remove snappier
[05:21] <ethana2> i don't know what i think exactly on that...
[05:21] <ethana2> whatever, I guess
[05:21] <cyphase> just an idea i had
[05:21] <ethana2> they know what they're doing
[05:21] <ethana2> yeah
[05:21] <ethana2> hey, cyphase
[05:21] <Dr_willis> speaking of browsers..  i find it odd that the ubuntu firefox extensions 'thing' installs extensions globally. - thats good in ways.. and bad in ways. :)
[05:21] <ethana2> make sure your ideas end up in ideapool
[05:22] <cyphase> ideapool? what's that?
[05:22] <ethana2> ohhhhhh
[05:22] <cyphase> :)
[05:22] <ethana2> google it
[05:22] <ethana2>  /very/ handy
[05:22] <ethana2> I've put tens of ideas on that
[05:22] <ethana2> that's where they go
[05:24]  * DanaG wants sunrise-midday-sunset-night-{loop} wallpaper.
[05:24] <cyphase> sun_cycle.gif
[05:25] <ethana2> igoogle
[05:25] <DanaG> Yeah, but I want it real time.
[05:25] <DanaG> In other words, I do want the thingy Fedora 8 does.
[05:25] <DanaG> s/do //
[05:27] <Dr_willis> Hmm... DanaG  that gives me a interesting idea for a wallpaper changing  'female' :) in the morning she has on an apron,, and later in the day a maid outfit... and.. i better stop now.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:27] <ethana2>  /clear
[05:27] <ethana2> ^_^
[05:28] <DanaG> But the required infrastructure is the same.
[05:33] <hydrogen> Dr_willis: I think we can all imagine what she has on in the late evening!
[05:38] <DanaG> Dr_willis: there's the package 'hot-babe' in medibuntu; I'll let you google that one for yourself.
[05:41] <coz_> DanaG, that one surprised me
[05:42] <coz_> DanaG, i was actually hoping it would just slightly better but it was still surprising :)
[05:42] <DanaG> You can probably make other graphics for it.
[05:43] <coz_> DanaG, ah oh!!   just up my alley then lol
[05:44] <Dr_willis> heh.
[06:36] <Assid> err did something go horribly wrong in the update within the last 15 hours
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Not noticed.. not heard much in here about any issues
[06:36] <Assid> i did some updates last night before going to bed.. and now i boot up and my machine is horribly slow
[06:37] <Dr_willis> you are the first ive heard of it.. Someone was mentioning some load issue with  his multithreaded cpu earlier today
[06:37] <Assid> hrmm must be related.. i got a quad core
[06:38] <Dr_willis> i got an amd x2 but havent noticed.. not on linux right now however
[06:38] <Dr_willis> there was a kernel update  this morning... or yesterday..
[06:38] <ethana2> Dr_Willis: BSD, OpenSolaris, Windows, or OSX?
[06:38] <ethana2> other?
[06:38] <Dr_willis> ethana2,  right now on vista. :0 getting ready to play some Teamfortress 2
[06:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <Dr_willis> im used to 3rd shift.. I am up till 7am.
[06:38] <ethana2> We must have a gaming-mode
[06:39] <Dr_willis> and its only 2 am now.
[06:39] <ethana2> where the DE is hibernated
[06:39] <ethana2> so you free up all your ram
[06:39] <ethana2> it would be great for fullscreen blender
[06:39] <Dr_willis> ethana2,  sounds like some of the hacks i recall for Windows years ago...
[06:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:39] <ethana2> we can do it better
[06:39] <Dr_willis> i rember an almost identical idea/thing for Quake when it came out
[06:39] <ethana2> windows doesn't run on the PS2, PS3, xbox, and Wii
[06:40] <Assid> i thought xbox ran some sort of windows
[06:40] <ethana2> mod
[06:40] <ethana2> it uses some nt kernel
[06:40] <ethana2> as does the 360
[06:40] <ethana2> but the 360 uses demonic code signing ^_^
[06:40] <ethana2> which makes the hardware absolutely worthless to me
[06:41] <Assid> err this is bad
[06:41] <Assid> bash: /usr/bin/top: Input/output error
[06:41] <Assid> same thing if i run gedit from terminal
[06:42] <Assid> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_3.2-0ubuntu14_i386.deb: failed to sync updated files list file for package bash
[06:42] <Assid> that just failed
[06:42] <Assid> is the filesystem being corrupted?!?!
[06:43] <Assid> you guys have a clue whats happening here?
[06:44] <Assid> Dr_willis: i think the updates yday were for amd64 if im not mistaken
[06:44] <Assid> weird how it came down to me .. considering im not using that kernel
[06:44] <Assid> im gonna go reboot
[06:44] <Assid> brb
[06:45] <Assid> i cant work like this.. eveyrthing takes hours to do
[06:50] <DanaG> Something fun to listen to when it's late: Coast to Coast AM.
[06:51] <DanaG> Just take everything with a grain of salt.
[06:51] <DanaG> Or heck, you may need a whole shaker of salt.
[06:52] <ethana2> or hey
[06:52] <ethana2> throw in Half Life
[06:53] <DanaG> Seen it.
[06:53] <DanaG> SOmebody pretending to be Gordon Freeman.
[06:53] <ethana2> yes.
[06:53] <DanaG> I wonder if George Noory found that out later.
[06:53] <ethana2> lol
[06:53] <ethana2> time to dig up those old Twilight Zone episodes
[06:57] <ethana2> ..."there's this key I have..
[06:57] <ethana2> no matter what door you stick it in, the same room is on the other side
[06:57] <ethana2> it seems to be a hotel room in..  arizona maybe.."
[06:58] <DanaG> Time to get GPS.
[06:58] <ethana2> ^_^
[06:58] <ethana2> Hey, remember that Free Software laptop idea?
[06:58] <ethana2> Is there a channel for discussion on that?
[06:58] <rgreening> pandora
[07:00] <ethana2> rgeening: ...what?
[07:00] <DanaG> It can't be all THAT hard to find one, can it?  Intel wifi, Intel graphics.  Right?   ... or am I missing something?
[07:00] <Assid> okay back
[07:00] <ethana2> i still think it has to be non-x86
[07:01] <Assid> when i was shutting down i got an error like ext3-fs ... some kinda inode error
[07:01] <ethana2> i take it no such channel exists then?
[07:01] <rgreening> not sure. Do a gogle for pandora
[07:01] <ethana2> k
[07:02] <rgreening> pandora is the codemane for a free linux based mini laptop.
[07:02] <rgreening> might be what you ar elooking for
[07:02] <ethana2> i'm not seeing it
[07:03] <Assid> err. how do you get the index service to index thunderbird?
[07:03] <Assid> the option to do so is disabled
[07:04] <rgreening> http://openpandora.org/
[07:04] <ethana2> k
[07:05] <rgreening> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7004794073.html
[07:05] <rgreening> http://pandora.bluwiki.com/
[07:05] <rgreening> That should get you some info
[07:05] <rgreening> :)
[07:05] <ethana2> thaaaat's not what I'm looking for
[07:05] <rgreening> lol
[07:06] <DanaG> Wow, that's fugly.
[07:06] <rgreening> It's open source and runs linux and is a laptop ... hahaha
[07:06] <DanaG> I'd rather an OLPC laptop.
[07:06] <ethana2> DS w/ MMU
[07:06] <ethana2> ^_^
[07:06] <ethana2> ..aaand no stylus
[07:06] <rgreening> Pandora is meant to be an answer to Handheld gaming with Laptop functionality
[07:06] <ethana2> yeah
[07:07] <rgreening> How about the EEE PC
[07:07] <rgreening> Asus puts it out I thinbk
[07:07] <rgreening> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/
[07:08] <ethana2> high end
[07:08] <DanaG> Celeron == no speedstep.  Lame-o.
[07:08] <ethana2> you know that new SSD tech?
[07:08] <ethana2> 16 GB of that
[07:08] <DanaG> Come on, how about an old Pentium M?
[07:08] <ethana2> SPARC T2
[07:09] <ethana2> and it must have a GPGPU
[07:09] <ethana2> don't do anything serious on that CPU
[07:09] <ethana2> not on a mobile
[07:10] <DanaG> ✈
[07:11] <ethana2> I think the trick to go anywhere special
[07:11] <ethana2> is to use Free Software as a chance to blow open the ISA market
[07:11] <Assid> err anyone know where the path's are set ?
[07:11] <ethana2> Assid: do you want mine?
[07:11] <Assid> i cheked in /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:11] <ChaosParser> Hardy and BCM4311 chipset wifi, ndiswrapper, or b43 driver?
[07:12] <ethana2> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[07:12] <Assid> ethana2: no.. i want to know where they are being set
[07:12] <ethana2> interesting
[07:13] <Assid> bashcompletion apparently
[07:14] <Assid> nope
[07:40] <hyper_ch> hiho, what's the best way to upgrade to hardy? Reinstall of the system?
[07:40] <Assid> how do i get the tracker to search thunderbird emails?
[07:42] <DanaG> Path may be in /etc/environment.
[07:42] <DanaG> I usually manually enable completion both for my account and for root.
[07:44] <Assid> DanaG: ?
[07:44] <DanaG> Look at the .bashrc for root.
[07:44] <DanaG> And look at your own .bashrc.
[07:44] <DanaG> Both have completion disabled by default.
[07:44] <DanaG> I also enabled the 'll' and 'la' aliases.
[07:44] <DanaG> I also added cls='clear;reset;clear
[07:44] <DanaG> '
[07:46] <Assid> any idea on how to get tracker to search thunderbird emails?
[07:49] <DanaG> Mmm, tetris.   ▟▘▗▙ ▝▙ ▗▟  ▙▖ ▄▄  █
[07:50] <Assid> i wonder if i should get rid of tracker and use google instead
[07:50] <Assid> this is kinda sucky
[07:50] <ethana2> no
[07:50] <ethana2> oh, well then
[07:50] <ethana2> I remember being dissapointed
[07:50] <Assid> doesnt track my emails
[07:50] <ethana2> that google desktop for linux didn't have the deskbar
[07:50] <ethana2> but now we have desklets and plasma
[07:50] <Assid> dont mind.. not that into much into deskbar
[07:51] <ethana2> it's all i used ^_^
[07:51] <ethana2> if plasma widgets don't have snap-to, my mild OCD will drive me insane
[07:51] <ethana2> i think i'd just prefer a sidebar, really
[07:52] <Assid> OCD ?
[07:52] <Assid> err.. i just wanna be able to search my emails
[07:52] <Assid> very very important
[07:52] <ethana2> yes.
[07:52] <DanaG> I just use the old deskbar applet, from when it was still a **** popdown menu.
[07:53] <Assid> is there some kinda plugin or something i gotta get to have to work with thunderbird? id ont get it.. the option is in the preferances
[07:55] <Assid> hey DanaG you still gettig that recursive deleting issues?
[07:55] <DanaG> I think I am.
[07:56] <Assid> man i filed soo many bugs since then.. i think launchpad hates me now
[07:56] <DanaG> Yep.
[07:57] <DanaG> Still getting it.
[07:58] <Assid> if you really want to break something.. give it to a windows user
[07:58] <Assid> okay seriously.. what do i do about my email tracking
[07:58] <Assid> its pretty darn important to me
[08:00] <DanaG> Beagle may be able to do it.
[08:03] <Assid> you dont think i should use google?
[08:04] <Assid> okay awn doesnt update me when pidgin windows are updated
[08:04] <ChaosParser> Eh, if you really want to break something, give it to an AOL user.
[08:04] <ChaosParser> Anyone know how to get rid of these funky jungle looking window shadows in compiz?
[08:05] <hyper_ch> don't use compiz and they are gone ;)
[08:05] <DanaG> Anybody know how to prevent my keyboard from getting stuck?
[08:06] <DanaG> It's a relatively new problem for me, in Xorg.
[08:06] <Assid> hyper_ch: ?
[08:06] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: I couldn't live without desktop wall.
[08:06] <Assid> DanaG: new keyboard
[08:06] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: sounds lke you're addicted ;)
[08:06] <DanaG> It's not the keyboard!
[08:06] <DanaG> It's an Xorg issue.
[08:06] <Assid> then ?
[08:06] <Assid> whats happening?
[08:06] <Assid> alt and ctrl not working?
[08:06] <Assid> shift neither?
[08:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[08:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:07] <DanaG> That's what.
[08:07] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: What can I say, I'm a useable desktop size queen, and we're talking about a notebook with a 14.1 widescreen display.  :-p
[08:07] <DanaG> Look at the last two.
[08:07] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: there's somewhere an option...
[08:07] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: reflection!
[08:07] <ChaosParser> duh,
[08:07] <ChaosParser> lol
[08:07] <hyper_ch> DanaG: maybe update that bug report also to hardy?
[08:08] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: ;) it's been a while since I had a look last at ccsm
[08:08] <Assid> i DanaG i had a imilar issue
[08:09] <Assid> i fixed it myself.. cause no one woud help me
[08:09] <Assid> well.. mainlky cause i couldnt type straight
[08:09] <Assid> but this is what you do
[08:09] <Assid> open a terminal
[08:09] <Assid> metacity --replace
[08:09] <Assid> dont put &
[08:09] <hyper_ch> DanaG: oh, yo already did :)
[08:09] <hyper_ch> +u
[08:10] <DanaG> I didn't edit the description, though.
[08:10] <Assid> then.. type reboot so it rebootsd without saving
[08:11]  * hyper_ch wonders whether he should try hardy with Xfce, KDE or Gnome...
[08:12] <Assid> err awn should me modifiable so you can set how long you want the icon to keep bouncing if it gets updated
[08:16] <Assid> updatedb: fatal error: load_file: Could not open file: /etc/updatedb.conf: No such file or directory
[08:16] <Assid> something wrong with this?
[08:17] <Assid> this is from a fresh install of alpha4 and updates
[08:17] <hyper_ch> Assid: I guess it does not exist
[08:18] <Assid> yeah.. question is why
[08:18] <Assid> and can someone pastebin theirs please
[08:18] <hyper_ch> Assid: because install did not make one?
[08:18] <Assid> hyper_ch: right.. shouldnt it have?
[08:18] <Assid> i tried to reinstall slocate .. didnt help
[08:19] <hyper_ch> Assid: http://phpfi.com/295306 --> from gutsy
[08:20] <Assid> sweet thanks
[08:20] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Gnome! :-p  The rest are ugly.
[08:20] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: xfce looks beautiful
[08:21] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Meh.  I like my desktop wall, network manager, and pink flames when I minimize.
[08:21] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: network manager? what for?
[08:22] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Wifi!
[08:22] <hyper_ch> Assid: I neither have a updatedb.conf in my old hardy try
[08:22] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: what do you need a network manager for? ^^
[08:22] <Assid> hyper_ch: so the package has an issue
[08:23] <hyper_ch> Assid: for me it's an alpha1 release
[08:23] <hyper_ch> Assid: I didn't go on using it since my dvd-rom had problems
[08:23] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Honestly.  xfce for older hardware is wonderful.  but I prefer Gnome's overall look and feel.
[08:23] <hyper_ch> Assid: but now I found out there's a "fix" for it
[08:23] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: xfce is also on newer hardware wonderful
[08:23] <Assid> porting it from gutsy ?
[08:23] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: the thing I miss is that I cannot drag/drop multiple files on the desktop
[08:24] <hyper_ch> Assid: ???
[08:24] <Assid> taking gutsy's updatedb.conf file ?
[08:24] <hyper_ch> Assid: btw, make a bug report
[08:24] <Assid> yes.. doing that
[08:24] <hyper_ch> Assid: I pasted mine from gutsy... told you so
[08:25] <Assid> err. i was referring to your "fix" as in taking it from gutsy
[08:25] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Eh, Gnome is easier to grasp conceptually.  I tried throwing xfce on my imaging server at work instead of Gnome, and it confused the poor windows geeks too much.
[08:25] <hyper_ch> Assid: no, my dvd-rom has a problem
[08:25] <hyper_ch> Assid: I need to re-initiate it
[08:25] <DanaG> Another thing:
[08:25] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: why does a server need a gui at all?
[08:25] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: *shiver*
[08:25] <DanaG> Try copying stuff to a  nearly-full volume, then running out of space.  Now try to use Nautilus to free up space.  You can't!
[08:26] <DanaG> Every new window is blocked by the "out of space" dialog.
[08:26] <hyper_ch> DanaG: run nautilus as root
[08:26] <DanaG> The SAME dialog, in fact.
[08:26] <hyper_ch> DanaG: gksu nautilus
[08:26] <hyper_ch> DanaG: and then delete some stuff
[08:26] <DanaG> It's still a bad bug.
[08:26] <hyper_ch> DanaG: there's still some space reserved for root because of that
[08:26] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Ubuntu + DRBL + Clonezilla.  - And well, it doesn't.  But it was a linux project put together by windows users that I stole and fixed as much as I could.  :-p
[08:26] <hyper_ch> DanaG: it's not a bug but the way linux works
[08:27] <DanaG> But before gvfs, you COULD go to a new nautilus window!
[08:27] <DanaG> It's not a "can't do anything because root is out of space".
[08:27] <Assid> i agree with DanaG bad bug on that
[08:27] <DanaG> I'm speaking of things like my portable media player.
[08:27] <Assid> hyper_ch: done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slocate/+bug/190400
[08:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190400 in slocate "slocate doesnt include updatedb.conf" [Undecided,New]
[08:27] <hyper_ch> for root there's a bit of space reserved so root can still operate
[08:27] <hyper_ch> so normal users run out of space, nothing can be done through them anymore
[08:28] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: what's drbl and clonezilla?
[08:28] <DanaG> That's not the issue.
[08:28] <DanaG> The issue is gvfs blocking every nautilus window for that volume.
[08:29] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: PXE booting imagine software + LTSP.
[08:29] <hyper_ch> Assid: it works with the gutsy conf?
[08:29] <Assid> hyper_ch: seems to yes
[08:29] <hyper_ch> Assid: ok :)
[08:29] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Think Ghost + Thin clients.
[08:30] <Assid> thanks hyper_ch
[08:30] <hyper_ch> so drbl is the thin client setup?
[08:30] <hyper_ch> DanaG: dunno
[08:31] <DanaG> Try it with a flash drive or something, some time.
[08:31] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: DRBL is Diskless Remote Boot Linux.
[08:31] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: oh, I thought that's called PXE
[08:32] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Technically, PXE is just booting off the nic.
[08:32] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: dunno ;)
[08:32] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: DRBL is the environment, while PXE is the method.  :-p
[08:33] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: hyper_ch: http://drbl.sourceforge.net/, http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/
[08:33] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: and what does clonezilla do?
[08:33] <hyper_ch> ah, disk imaging
[08:33] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch:  Fantastic project.  Captures images in minutes, throws them down faster than ghost.
[08:34] <hyper_ch> and uses endless space
[08:34] <hyper_ch> so I cannot have 4 backups a day dating back for 90 days
[08:34] <hyper_ch> without having a cupboard full of harddisks
[08:35] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Eh, we aren't using it for backups. ;)
[08:35] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: what then?
[08:35] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Teaching.
[08:36] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Reimaging is faster than reinstalling.
[08:36] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: if it never changes ;)
[08:36] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: It also has the advantage of being able to blow down broken images.
[08:37] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: We have a variety of images with different issues/functionality, and use them to teach troubleshooting effectively.
[08:37] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: as said, as long as you don't change them
[08:37] <ChaosParser> lol.
[08:37] <hyper_ch> and reinstalling doesn't take much time either.... 20min for the system, and then running your shell script ;)
[08:37] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Sadly, we aren't talking Linux.
[08:38] <DanaG> I have too many config files for that to work for me even for Linux.
[08:38] <hyper_ch> ChaosParser: you support evil monopolistic companies?
[08:38] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: They pay me. :(
[08:39] <hyper_ch> you sell your sould to evil ^^
[08:40] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Not really.  I work in harware support.  The hardware jut happens to use windows.
[08:40] <hyper_ch> see, you keep justifying yourself... you wouldn't be required to do so if everything you do is morally ok *g*
[08:41] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Morals are useless unless they are absolute.
[08:41] <ChaosParser> hyper_ch: Since people never are... morals are pretty useless.
[08:41] <ChaosParser> :-p
[08:41] <hyper_ch> q.e.d.
[08:42] <hyper_ch> you feel the urge to justify yourself because you know what you are doing is wrong ;)
[08:42] <hyper_ch> why don't use just switch them to Linux and use a WinXP theme for kde/gnome
[08:42] <hyper_ch> I bet 95% of the people wouldn't notice
[08:43] <ChaosParser> Would if I could. :-p
[08:44] <hyper_ch> ;)
[08:47] <DanaG> XP theme is ugly.
[08:47] <hyper_ch> yeah, windows classic is the best
[08:47] <DanaG> I use Windowblinds, actually.
[08:47] <DanaG> Theme: Eminence.
[08:48] <DanaG> http://www.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=5758&libid=1
[08:48] <DanaG> It's actually a reeeally nice theme.
[08:48] <hyper_ch> I'm not at all into eyecandies
[08:48] <hyper_ch> the only thing I need is a wallpaperchanger
[08:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and look down at the bottom of this page for links to once by vr6fern.
[08:53] <DanaG> http://www.freewebs.com/futuretronics/vistaultimatewallpaper.htm
[08:53] <DanaG> Some are funny... Vista wasteland, for example.
[08:53] <hyper_ch> why is the io of encrypted drives so bad :(
[09:13] <ethana2> it's going to be nice when Halo trial hits platinum in WINE
[09:13] <ethana2> we're going to have to invade some blood gulch server
[09:14] <hyper_ch> ???
[09:14] <ethana2> i gave up gaming
[09:14] <ethana2> to move to linux.
[09:14] <ethana2> nostalgia, you know
[09:14] <hyper_ch> gaming is a waste of time ;)
[09:14] <ethana2> yeah
[09:15] <ethana2> but still ^_^
[09:15] <hyper_ch> better to do something constructive or go to dinner with your gf
[09:15] <ethana2> ha
[09:15] <ethana2> as if i had one
[09:15] <ethana2> good one, hyper
[09:15] <ethana2> ..i would if i did
[09:16] <ethana2> as for being constructive, well, I should try to take on coding again
[09:16] <hyper_ch> ethana2: less gaming, more social contacts and that leads to a gf
[09:16] <ethana2> yeah, I know
[09:16] <ethana2> we recently moved to Alaska
[09:16] <ethana2> and i intend to move right back where i came from
[09:16] <hyper_ch> ok, now Alaska is a challenge
[09:16] <ethana2> before i go establishing any real relationships
[09:17] <hyper_ch> within a 100 miles radius there are lke 3-4 girls?
[09:17] <ethana2> oh no, they're up here, make no mistake
[09:17] <ethana2> this is Anchorage
[09:17] <ethana2> ..but in 6 months, /I/ won't be
[09:17] <hyper_ch> getting back to?
[09:18] <ethana2> Omaha, NE
[09:18] <ethana2> 3400 mile drive
[09:18] <hyper_ch> new england?
[09:18] <ethana2> close
[09:18] <ethana2> lol
[09:18] <ethana2> middle of the 48
[09:18] <hyper_ch> I dunno what's NE is
[09:18] <hyper_ch> or the 48
[09:18] <ethana2> Nebraska
[09:18] <ethana2> 48 continuous states
[09:18] <hyper_ch> well, now I know but still no clue where that is
[09:18] <ethana2> right in the middle
[09:18] <ethana2> lol
[09:19] <ethana2> you don't have to if it's not your nation
[09:19] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:19] <ethana2> it's not like we own the world
[09:19] <hyper_ch> you do not?
[09:19] <ethana2> not if I can help i
[09:19] <ethana2> i'm eying moving out
[09:19] <hyper_ch> maybe you should tell that Mr. Bush
[09:19] <ethana2> to like Israel or Japan or Korea
[09:19] <hyper_ch> he and his buddies think they do own the world
[09:19] <ethana2> meh, he's burnt out
[09:20] <ethana2> republics aren't good enough for the future
[09:20] <ethana2> I want a government run on Drupal
[09:20] <hyper_ch> why israel, japan or korea? those sound like very different countries from one another
[09:20] <ethana2> well yes, they are
[09:20] <ethana2> but they are countries filled with races of innovators
[09:20] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[09:20] <ethana2> and as such, there exists an atmosphere of innovation
[09:21] <ethana2> The C2D design came from intel's israeli labs
[09:21] <hyper_ch> and you like fish?
[09:21] <ethana2> fish are fine, I don't like fish-/ing/
[09:21] <ethana2> ...part of why I don't want to stay up here ;)
[09:22] <hyper_ch> there's plenty of fish in japan and korea I tend to think
[09:22] <hyper_ch> you're going to murder whales!!!
[09:22] <ethana2> Actually, the Japanese steal our Salmon
[09:22] <ethana2> and Alaskans are kinda angry
[09:23] <hyper_ch> can you blame them?
[09:23] <ethana2> no
[09:24] <ethana2> i've also considered creating my own micronation but i figured it less practical
[09:24] <ethana2> i just want an ISP that's not evil
[09:24] <hyper_ch> an old oil platform?
[09:24] <ethana2> and a nation that doesn't expect me to use non-metric units or windows
[09:24] <hyper_ch> with satelit uplink?
[09:24] <ethana2> ...what?
[09:24] <ethana2> ohhh
[09:24] <ethana2> that
[09:24] <ethana2> I was thinking the middle of a desert
[09:24] <ethana2> silicon /everywhere/
[09:24] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:25] <hyper_ch> so, gotta get some groceries otherwise I won't have food
[09:26] <ethana2> k
[09:26] <ethana2> have fun
[09:26] <hyper_ch> spending money is fun
[09:26] <hyper_ch> earning money not so much ;9
[09:26] <ethana2> what software do you use to keep track?
[09:26] <ethana2> like, of your food?
[09:26] <hyper_ch> keeping track of what?
[09:27] <ethana2> parsing recipes, expiration dates..
[09:27] <ethana2> rate of consumption for various ingredients
[09:27] <ethana2> food expense predictions
[09:27] <ethana2> shopping list generation
[09:27] <hyper_ch> I use the grey matter in my brain for that
[09:28] <ethana2>  /nevermind/, go keep yourself from starving
[09:28] <ethana2> lol
[09:28] <ethana2> ok
[09:28] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:39] <acuster> Hey all,
[09:39] <acuster> I'm getting, from dist-upgrade:
[09:39] <acuster> udev: Breaks: libdevmapper1.02 (< 2:1.02.08-1ubuntu7) but 2:1.02.07-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:39] <acuster> is this a temporary mis-match or a bad setup on my end?
[09:40] <acuster> and if the latter, anyone have pointers on how to fix it?
[09:54] <Assid> err i think theres a memory leak somewhere
[09:54] <Assid> the ram usage keeps going up and up
[09:55] <Assid> right now its at 660mb.. but it keeps going higher
[10:00] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/m3178d94b
[10:00] <Assid> 705mb
[10:05] <root> hell0
[10:06] <hyper_ch> not good being logged in as root
[10:08] <root> nope, my nickname's root
[10:08] <Assid> yep
[10:08] <Assid> err ok
[10:08] <root> othersite i'm normal user ;D
[10:08] <Assid> anywyas.. anyone having similar issues?
[10:08] <root> never mind :D
[10:08] <root> what kind of issues?
[10:08] <Assid> ram usage going up
[10:08] <hyper_ch> Assid is leaking ;)
[10:08] <Assid> the more i use the system the slower it starts getting
[10:08] <hyper_ch> Assid: sounds like you're on Windows ;)
[10:09] <Assid> haha.. yeah.. the whole reason why i left that as my primary system
[10:09] <root> Assid: how much MB of ram do you have?
[10:09] <Assid> 2gigs only :(
[10:09] <hyper_ch> not enough
[10:09] <root> 2 gigs?
[10:10] <Assid> already 700 megs used
[10:10] <root> i have 3/4 of gig. and it runs f@st!!
[10:10] <Assid> you have compiz and awn enabled?
[10:10] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 998/1010MB, 146 proc's, 2.33h up
[10:10] <root> nope
[10:10] <root> i ave total 757
[10:10] <root> **have**
[10:11] <Assid> nautilis eats 118mb virtual memory
[10:11] <root> i have 22" lcd and i don't  need compiz
[10:11] <root> total 757, used 741
[10:11] <root> :D
[10:11] <hyper_ch> use konqueror instead of nautilus
[10:12] <Assid> err thats bad
[10:12] <hyper_ch> konqueror rules
[10:12] <Assid> kde aint bad.. i realy wanted the whole mac look
[10:12] <Assid> gnome was best for that
[10:12] <not_a_real_root> after few months the Theuida is going to come out
[10:12] <Assid> i use kde apps when i need to tho
[10:12] <not_a_real_root> it'll be somekind of natilus
[10:13] <not_a_real_root> but more friendly
[10:13] <hyper_ch> I didn't say to run kde, only konqueror
[10:13] <hyper_ch> multipane is just the best
[10:13] <Assid> multipane?
[10:13] <hyper_ch> opening multiple system locations within one windows
[10:13] <hyper_ch> -s
[10:14] <not_a_real_root> c00l
[10:14] <hyper_ch> so you can easily drag and drop
[10:14] <hyper_ch> sort of like norton commander / midnight commander / krusader but with more than just 2-panes
[10:14] <hyper_ch> and it also supports ftp and ssh
[10:15] <not_a_real_root> hey, i need help with processor issue in hardy
[10:15] <Assid> nice
[10:15] <not_a_real_root> when i turn on gui of system monitor, processor jumps on 100% 'till i close it
[10:16] <Assid> hyper_ch: which package ?
[10:16] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: use htop
[10:16] <hyper_ch> Assid: konqueror
[10:16] <hyper_ch> Assid: but it will install some kde dependencies
[10:16] <Assid> yep have it already
[10:16] <Assid> i use alot of kde apps too
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Assid: multipane: on the bottom of konqui, right-click... then you can split horizontally and vertically... just as you like it
[10:17] <Assid> yeah
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Assid: and the splitted windows can be splitted again
[10:17] <Assid> yep i noticed
[10:17] <hyper_ch> Assid: and for ssh use:  fish://user@server
[10:17] <not_a_real_root> fish?
[10:18] <not_a_real_root> lol :D
[10:18] <Assid> but i really want my machine NOT to slow down the more i use it
[10:18] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: for ssh/scp connection
[10:18] <not_a_real_root> yup, but fish? this is just too much for me :D
[10:19] <not_a_real_root> do you think that acer Aspire 7720G-302G50 is good for ubuntu?
[10:19] <Assid> i hate when nautilis mounts something.. i end up with the mounts on the desktop
[10:19] <Assid> goes over all my other icons :(
[10:19] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: dunno, what are the specs?
[10:19] <not_a_real_root> Assid: so do me.
[10:20] <Assid> anyone here a commiter to the repositories?
[10:20] <Assid> i really wanna suggest updating the postgresql package
[10:21] <Assid> heck even the pgadmin package
[10:21] <hyper_ch> Assid: during a release the packages will not get upgraded
[10:21] <hyper_ch> Assid: only security fixes will be applied
[10:21] <hyper_ch> (and bug fixes)
[10:22] <not_a_real_root> irssi rulez on hardy :D
[10:22] <Assid> err okay 8.3 is already updatd
[10:22] <Assid> now to see pgadmin
[10:22] <hyper_ch> irssi also rules on etch
[10:22] <not_a_real_root> yep
[10:22] <not_a_real_root> know this
[10:23] <Assid> sweet its updated
[10:23]  * Assid is happyt
[10:24] <Assid> i dont know when it gotr updated.. but im glad it did
[10:24] <Assid> now if someone can fix the memory leaks im good
[10:24] <Assid> err brb.. gotta get ready
[10:25] <Assid> irssi ? bah.. i use kvirc
[10:26] <Assid> you know what.. i think the memory leak is in compiz.. and how it behaves with the memory on the video card
[10:26] <Assid> atleast for the reason why it slows down
[10:26] <hyper_ch> compiz sux
[10:26] <not_a_real_root> yep
[10:26] <not_a_real_root> programmers don't use compiz
[10:26] <hyper_ch> the only use I see for it is to make Windoze users jealous
[10:26] <Assid> hehe.. i like it
[10:26] <not_a_real_root> i agree with u :D
[10:27] <not_a_real_root> who neeeds python-made clipboard
[10:27] <martalli> not_a_real_root: programmers use?
[10:27] <not_a_real_root> eh
[10:27] <hyper_ch> what, you got a brand new $ 2000.- notebook and vista ultimate is still tht sluggish... look my 4 year old notebook and ubuntu is blazing fast
[10:27] <not_a_real_root> you don't understand
[10:28] <martalli> doctors don't use compiz, either
[10:28] <not_a_real_root> hyper_ch: so is acer Aspire 7720G-302G50
[10:28] <not_a_real_root> ok?
[10:28] <Assid> but i like those effects
[10:28] <hyper_ch> martalli: emacs
[10:28] <martalli> we use kde lol
[10:28] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: that doesn't tell me anything
[10:28] <martalli> emacs: all the gui you need =)
[10:28] <hyper_ch> real programers use emacs... but it lacks a good editor
[10:28] <martalli> hyper_ch: LOL
[10:28] <not_a_real_root> ahhhhhh
[10:28] <Assid> i fi dont use compiz i might as well use kde
[10:29] <not_a_real_root> best editor for me is VIM
[10:29] <hyper_ch> martalli: http://xkcd.com/378/
[10:29] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: http://xkcd.com/378/
[10:29] <not_a_real_root> hyper_ch: so is laptop acer Aspire 7720G-302G50 good for ubuntu? it supports 2X250GB sata hdd
[10:29] <martalli> I have been a nano fan since the days of pine (guess it was pico back then)
[10:30] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: nvidia or intel?
[10:30] <Assid> pine was the email client wasnt it
[10:30] <Assid> pico was the underlying system
[10:30] <not_a_real_root> intel :f
[10:31] <martalli> Assid: yes, it was "easy to use".  pico was the editor.  Very straightforward for "users" at the computer lab in college
[10:31] <hyper_ch> not_a_real_root: no ATi - that's good ;)
[10:31] <Assid> yeah
[10:31] <Assid> nano aint bad
[10:31] <martalli> Once I discovered pico was available on the CLI, it was easier to recommend than emacs or vi for people working on text files
[10:31] <Assid> okay how do i go back to without using emerald
[10:32] <not_a_real_root> hyper_ch: i think that acer aspire uses graphical card of ATI Mobility radeon wich one can be removed and replaced with other if it's broken, that's good :D
[10:32] <martalli> nano is a great editor, but I use it mainly for quickly editing etxt files in the cli, since I am not a cli maven like in the old days
[10:32] <martalli> how is kde4 in hardy?
[10:32] <Helvasca> i use nano
[10:32] <hyper_ch> martalli: it's buggy
[10:32] <not_a_real_root> VIM or pico
[10:33] <not_a_real_root> hejla marko-_-_  :D
[10:33] <not_a_real_root> i'm mc2, i'm e, 2,7182 is my name :D
[10:37] <Assid> bbiab
[10:37]  * not_a_real_root is away
[10:51] <alromaithi> guys i just installed hardy Kubuntu
[10:52] <alromaithi> their is no compiz so i manually installed it through adept but still compiz doenst work and when i enable it everything is frozen i also cant see the menubar intop of any window my  only soloution is to disable Compiz
[11:04]  * not_a_real_root is back
[11:08] <not_a_real_root> irc.ubuntu.com = irc.freenode.net?
[11:09] <not_a_real_root> irc.ubuntu.com = irc.freenode.net   ?????
[11:14] <Assid> hrmm theres a kdesvn.. is there a similar thing for gnome/nautilis?
[11:23] <scizzo-> Assid: there are plugins for it I belive
[11:25] <scizzo-> Assid: apt-cache search nautilus-script-collection-svn
[11:25] <Assid> yep just got it
[11:25] <Assid> dont see how to manage it.. i dont see any links or anything in nautilis as i did in konquror
[11:27] <scizzo-> Assid: think there is a right click menu
[11:27] <scizzo-> Assid: I don't think you should compare konqueror with nautilus like that....konqueror is way different
[11:28] <MidMark> hi, there is a method to have back screen settings working in hardy?
[11:28] <Assid> nope dont see anything in the context/right click menu
[11:29] <MidMark> sorry talking about kubuntu
[11:31] <ha-nocri> hello, i've a problem with boot kernel 2.6.24-7 (ubuntu hardy alpha 3) after update from Gutsy - with recovery option system halt with "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..."
[11:32] <Assid> scizzo-: how do i access it.. i dont see it in the right click
[11:36] <scizzo-> Assid: think there is a script menu on right clicking
[11:36] <scizzo-> Assid: not 100% sure
[11:40] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hello, was wondering if anybody else's installation fails to load gnome after the nautilu update
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[12:13] <C1P8> why when i try to install alpha 4 the sistem crashs? I cant terminate upgrade, and the process will not terminate (so cant install anithing trough sinaptic)
[12:19] <lz7> cuz it alpha? you may try to locate crash reason and file a bug report, or try a daily build
[12:20] <C1P8> mhh ok...
[12:21] <C1P8> there's a way to come back?
[12:21] <C1P8> to close the upload process and still stay on gutsy?
[12:21] <C1P8> it crashed on "restart"
[12:21] <lz7> if not reason, but at least what stage of install crashed...
[12:21] <lz7> mm
[12:22] <lz7> i dont think you can downgrade
[12:22] <C1P8> but i cant finish upgrade...
[12:23] <lz7> hmmm if it crashed on restart, it probably completed upgrade?
[12:23] <C1P8> not completed
[12:23] <C1P8> crashed only the operation
[12:24] <C1P8> i've 637 uploads disponible in the tray...but when i try uploads it says "upload of system not suspended...complete? i click yes and it freeze again
[12:25] <C1P8> (and it's impossible to obtayn an exclusive lock)
[12:27] <lz7> i googled this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623058
[12:27] <lz7> but im not sure if it will work
[12:28] <C1P8> i'll try
[12:28] <lz7> hmm i dont know about uploads
[12:29] <lz7> you even cant start apt-get, am i correct?
[12:29] <C1P8> so i cant terminate the installing process?
[12:29] <lz7> can you kill it?
[12:29] <C1P8> i start but it says "another apt process still running"
[12:29] <C1P8> also if i restart, shut down etc
[12:29] <C1P8> the process is not complete...
[12:30] <lz7> maybe you should just remove lock file
[12:30] <C1P8> how?
[12:31] <C1P8> sudo apt-get remove libx11-6
[12:31] <C1P8> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:33] <Dr_willis> !fixadept
[12:33] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[12:33] <Dr_willis> be sure you did close out all the apt tools. :)
[12:36] <C1P8> done ^^
[12:36] <C1P8> but i think i'll soon reinstall gutsy by CD
[12:36] <C1P8> (after saving home folder)
[12:39] <acuster> hey all, any suggestions for:
[12:39] <acuster> udev: Breaks: libdevmapper1.02 (< 2:1.02.08-1ubuntu7) but 2:1.02.07-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[12:39] <acuster> on a dist-upgrade
[12:57] <wolf4914> If I install Alpha 8.04 will I be able to upgrade once it is stable without reinstall?
[13:05] <cwillu> usually, yes
[13:18] <sveri> is alpha4 already in a usable state, or are there still some showstoppers from regularly using it?
[13:18] <lemo> sveri: there are
[13:18] <lemo> sveri: wait for the release
[13:18] <sveri> :D
[13:18] <sveri> some real showstoppers?
[13:18] <lz7>  sveri: it depend on what are showstoppers for you
[13:19] <lemo> sveri: there's missing features with gvfs - that are in my opinion showstoppers
[13:19] <sveri> i dont mind some broken packages
[13:19] <sveri> what would bother me are regular crashes
[13:19] <lz7> some apps crash regularry but not os
[13:19] <lz7> apps like applets etc
[13:19] <sveri> btw i use kubuntu
[13:20] <sveri> so gnome doesnt bother me :-)
[13:24] <scizzo-> sveri: I would have waited for the release
[13:24] <scizzo-> sveri: development version should never be used on regular use systems
[13:25] <scizzo-> sveri: no matter if you use kubuntu or ubuntu
[13:25] <sveri> scizzo-: yea, i know all the rules, but i always am too courious about new things
[13:26] <lz7> gutsy may break just like "development" version. like it was update which disables java and wxwidgets app from run. so whats a difference?
[13:26] <scizzo-> lz7: read the topic
[13:26] <lz7> i have
[13:28] <lz7> so, gparted from livecd fail to format my drives, but in hardy it works, so it is gutsy broken, not hardy, see the logic?
[13:29] <scizzo-> lz7: you are actually going to have a discussion about why not to use development version of ubuntu with me?
[13:29] <lz7> i already have discussion
[13:29] <scizzo-> lol
[14:31] <Oli``> gvfs is really getting to me.
[15:02] <sidelil> excuse me, I have just upgraded to hardy. I have a few problems: some fonts are awful (while before they weren't). Does anyone have the same problem?
[15:07] <cwillu> can you be more specific?
[15:08] <cwillu> Oli``, you too :p
[15:09] <Oli``> cwillu: oh I was just having a general moan. all my problems are reported on launchpad
[15:09] <cwillu> goodie :p
[15:10] <sidelil> cwillu: yes, sorry. Not every font is ugly, just some of them. For example the "code" font (e.g. in the wiki), or the font in skype (i guess it's the same)
[15:10] <cwillu> ugly in what way?  not antialiased?
[15:10] <cwillu> can you post a screenshot?
[15:15] <slackern> Im so looking forward to the release, not sure if it's the new scheduler or what it is that makes Hardy feel so much faster on this machine
[15:16] <sidelil> cwillu: sure. Where can I post the screenshot?
[15:18] <sidelil> However, this is not the main problem. I have also some problems with nautilus: if I open the home folder, it runs thunar instead of nautilus. Moreover, all the icons are different and I can't change the icon of a folder.
[15:25] <Daveeey> heya
[15:34] <bardyr> Hey, is anyone able to access a sftp site with nautilus using another port then 22?
[16:13] <lz7> 2.6.24.1 out
[16:15] <shirish> hi all, is bzr & bazaar two different packages or not?
[16:15] <shirish> both resolve to the same page, but both are at different versions.
[16:25] <Gnine> seahorse stopped complaining about not being able to sync keys
[16:25] <Gnine> on 64bit at least
[16:26] <bardyr> is anyone able to access a sftp site with nautilus using another port then 22?
[16:28] <Oli``> bardyr: I have nothing to test against - sorry
[17:23] <willwh> hi guys I just did a fresh install and went with hardy
[17:24] <willwh> I used unetbootin and everything is runnign pretty well
[17:24] <willwh> my 8800gt works "out of the box"
[17:24] <willwh> although I can't seem to get mp3 codecs installed?
[17:24] <lz7> sudo apt-get install vlc
[17:31] <willwh> lz7, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/189490
[17:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189490 in gnome-app-install "gnome-app-install crashed with AttributeError in modifyUserInterface()" [Medium,Fix committed]
[17:33] <lz7> i have like 80/20 % cpu load but in processes tab highest i see is only gnome-monitor with 1-3%
[17:41] <bardyr> willwh, install ubuntu-restricted-extras and what do you mean with your 8800gt works out of the box?
[17:41] <bardyr> you still need to install the binary driver
[17:45] <lz7> omg i'm not the only one with window title corruption in compiz https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/compiz/+bug/99508
[17:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:47] <WorldBFree> is there a way to boot up hardy from an image stored on my hd instead of a cd if i already have a working grub?
[17:53] <phaidros> using hardy I get a wifi device called wlan0_rename (iwl3945)
[17:54] <phaidros> looking into udev conf and setting the mac address to eth1 doesn't help to much
[17:54] <phaidros> the eth1 is created but not usable and wlan0_rename is still there and has wirless functionality
[17:54] <phaidros> any suggestions here?
[17:55] <phaidros> vor me it looks like the new eth1 is similar to a wlan0 device when using madwifi/atheros.
[17:55] <phaidros> s/v/f/
[17:56] <lz7> i dont know about your problem but i can use eth devices too with default install, i fix it by adding auto eth0 lines to interfaces file
[17:56] <phaidros> lz7: wifi or cable?
[17:56] <lz7> can=cant
[17:56] <lz7> cable
[17:57] <phaidros> thats a different one. the missing line in network/interfaces prevents the startscript from bringing the device up
[17:58] <phaidros> humm, seems I'm stuck with a wlan0_rename interface :)
[17:58] <phaidros> not that it is mnot usable, but annoying :D
[18:00] <willwh> bardyr, sorry for the delayed response, all I meant was, on first boot, I was not presented with low graphics mode
[18:00] <willwh> I could enable compiz right away and worked
[18:00] <willwh> installing the binary driver now - thanks for the tops
[18:01] <willwh> tips*
[18:06] <lz7> lol how it worked without drivers installed? :/
[18:42] <hyper_ch> kde folks here?
[19:10] <lz7> after successful install of new video driver X loading in safe mode, any ideas?
[19:10] <willwh> lz7, me too
[19:10] <willwh> I just installed latest nvidia driver from their site
[19:11] <lz7> same here
[19:11] <lz7> btw 2.6.24.1 kernel work fine :P
[19:12] <willwh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4386/
[19:12] <willwh> my xorg
[19:13] <willwh> my mouse is acting strange too
[19:13] <willwh> I can't click on stuff on my panel
[19:13] <willwh> although my menus will open
[19:13] <willwh> if I hold down lft click on my mouse
[19:13] <willwh> but not just left clicking, they just snap shut
[19:13] <Assid> err
[19:14] <Assid> i installed the plugin for nautilis for svn .. but i cant seem to see it in the rightclick/contect menu
[19:14]  * Gnine solution to sleep issue - no sleep
[19:15] <Gnine> good memory. we on version .7 now
[19:17] <Gnine> latest update on my 64bit hardy is close to flawless. amd and nvidia ftw
[19:31] <Assid> err im thinking of reformatting one of the additional drives i have
[19:35] <Assid> since i plan to keep digital media on one of the partitions.. should i just increase the cluster size?
[20:22] <qzio> is there any known problems with gnome-appearance-properties?
[20:23] <qzio> i get a glib error -> seg fault :(
[20:23]  * Assid is back
[20:23] <Assid> man.. i think ive been doin more testing and less coding recently
[20:23] <Assid> thats bad
[20:24] <lz7> i'm not doing coding and dont think its bad
[20:24] <Assid> lz7: whats your job profile?
[20:25] <lz7> Assid: i'm not a programmer, but if you are, then probably its bad for you
[20:25] <lz7> not doing coding
[20:26] <Assid> man emerald is such a killer on resources
[20:45] <nanonyme> !info pulseaudio
[20:45] <nanonyme> hmm
[20:45] <ubotu> pulseaudio (source: pulseaudio): PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.9-1ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 260 kB, installed size 996 kB
[20:57] <hetauma> !schedule
[20:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:04] <Tuv0k> !google
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[21:05] <Tuv0k> !ubotu
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[21:07] <q_a_z_steve>  hey why doesn't gutsy find my user's accounts from dapper? I'm trying to get up to Alpha 4 if possible, but need to go slowly I guess...
[21:09] <Tuv0k> !upgrade
[21:09] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:10] <Tuv0k> !amd64
[21:10] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[21:10] <Tuv0k> !cpan
[21:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpan - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:12] <nomasteryoda> !perl
[21:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about perl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:12] <nomasteryoda> lol
[21:14] <qzio> is there some smart way to downgrade back to gutsy?
[21:16] <qzio> like... with apt-pinning or something
[21:28] <scizzo-> qzio: there is not a good way to do that really
[21:28] <qzio> scizzo-: oh? im just trying apt-pinning out
[21:28] <qzio> i hope it works....
[21:28] <qzio> scizzo-: or will it brake stuff even more?
[21:28] <scizzo-> apt-pinning?
[21:29] <scizzo-> qzio: it might break things a bit more yes
[21:29] <qzio> lets hope not
[21:29] <qzio> oh, yeah, i've heard about a dpkg/apt-ish program that can install .deb but resolves dependencies via apt..
[21:30] <qzio> scizzo-: apt-pinnning - using the /etc/apt/preferences file to force package installations
[21:31] <scizzo-> right
[21:32] <qzio> not a good idea? :(
[21:32] <scizzo-> no one can garanti anything really
[21:33] <qzio> thats ok... my box is fsckd up already :(
[21:33] <qzio> upgrade to hardy - stuff stopped working, gnome-* seg faults etc
[21:33] <qzio> gtk is really really not working ok.
[21:39] <scizzo-> qzio: well like I said hard to garanty anything
[21:39] <qzio> mm :)
[21:39] <qzio> next time I'm buying hardware it'll be linux-safe... this macbook isn't 100% :/
[21:40] <scizzo-> ?
[21:40] <scizzo-> shoulnd't be a big problem on them
[21:41] <qzio> well mine is not working 100%
[21:41] <qzio> suspend/sleep for example
[21:41] <qzio> sometimes it works..
[21:41] <qzio> most of the time, nope just a black screen..
[21:41] <qzio> modules not loading/unloading correctly
[21:41] <qzio> the keyboard is fsckd.
[21:42] <qzio> but the ubuntu - wiki for the macbook is great
[21:42] <qzio> suspend/sleeps seems to be some issues with the new kernel, but the old doesn't work for me either so...
[21:43] <scizzo-> hmmm
[21:43] <scizzo-> well to start at point one...what is the problem with the keyboard?
[21:44] <qzio> it kinda looses my settings or something, not sure, sometimes it's correct, sometimes not
[21:45] <qzio> its like, sometimes when i boot, it's fsckd, but i change settings back/forth and then it works..
[21:45] <scizzo-> qzio: you haven't error searched it that much?
[21:45] <qzio> nope, it started thur when i upgrade to hardy
[21:46] <scizzo-> qzio: hmmm right
[21:47] <qzio> but man i had trouble upgradeing... my sun-java6-bin package was a pain in the ass, i was forced to downgrade it and then after a while of aptituding it started to work..
[21:48] <qzio> im doing backup of the important stuff right now, thinking of a clean re-install
[21:48] <qzio> following the ubuntu wiki of the macbook.
[21:48] <qzio> im not sure which version to choose tough..
[22:24] <tapas> normal 2d operation is rather slow on this here amd 64 ubuntu system
[22:24] <tapas> with an nvidia geforce 7600gt and nvidia driver installe
[22:24] <tapas> d
[22:25] <tapas> it feels like there's almost no 2d accelleration at all
[22:25] <tapas> open gl runs fine though :)
[22:29] <scizzo-> tapas: you are using a lot of renderaccel and so on in the xorg.conf file?
[22:30]  * DanaG still has that godawful key stuckage to deal with.
[22:30] <tapas> scizzo-: my xorg.conf is as minimal as possible
[22:31] <tapas> http://rafb.net/p/yJzkZE25.html
[22:31] <scizzo-> tapas: you are not even loading the nvidia module?
[22:32] <scizzo-> aaa there it is
[22:32] <scizzo-> this file really looks strange to me
[22:32] <scizzo-> I would redo the config really
[22:34] <tapas> hmm, ok
[22:34] <tapas> it's what hardy gave me :)
[22:34] <tapas> except for the nvidia line
[22:36] <lz7> format of xorg.conf changed with new xorg version
[22:36] <lz7> goal was to get rid of xorg.conf completely if i correct
[22:38] <tapas> which is a good thing :) unless one can still override stuff usign it
[22:38] <tapas> erm
[22:39] <tapas> s/unless/as long as/
[23:46] <theunixgeek> If I sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, will all default Kubuntu apps also be installed?
[23:49] <ethana2> theunixgeek: i think so
[23:49] <theunixgeek> ethana2: thanks