[00:02] I've read that until PulseAudio is completely integrated there is no volume. Does this mean there is no volume control at all or that PulseAudio is just limited in the current state? [00:06] we have basic volume control [00:06] great :-) [00:06] anyone using deluge? [00:07] are you 64bit, and is it stable? [00:07] trashmission is slooooow [00:08] I find that with most clients - its the # of connections/settings and so forth that make them slow. Not the actual client === hydrogen_ is now known as Hydrogen [00:09] Bizurke: Once you've set things up in System->Preferences->Sound, everything should work. [00:10] Bizurke: If you want the more specialised/cool features of pulseaudio (per-stream volume, swapping streams betwenn devices, etc), you'll want to install the padevchooser package, which pulls in all that UI. [00:10] I just wanted to make sure that I will have volume control in general [00:10] Yes, it will. [00:10] thanks [00:11] To make everything work like you'd hope you probably want to seth the default mixer track in System->Pref->Sound to the pulseaudio output. [00:27] Is hardy going to have fakeraid support in the installer? [00:27] http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1an8.png --- window title corruption bug with compiz enabled, and i think now it is "human" theme bug, cant reprodice this on custom themes [00:30] http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1bm0.png --- another screenshot, whole window title is missing [00:31] oh.. this is actually 2 screenshots in 1 [00:32] i cant use compiz since ubuntu 7.04 [00:33] and its not fixed in hardy [00:34] * enyc keeps hearding about huwan themee [00:34] ;puzzling [00:37] happens with "mist" theme too [00:37] :/ [00:38] crazy http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3uo8.png [00:38] wrong title colors [00:40] rockets: Probably not the live installer. It should work in th ealternate installer, but I've never tried. [00:40] wow.. upgrade from a fresh (today) 7.04 is going to take a good while [00:40] RAOF, ok, thats fine. [00:56] if i manually installed a kernel module, dont i have to reinstall that anymore after a kernel upgrade (apt) in hardy anymore? [01:14] Gaack, stupid Super key. [01:15] The 'key gets stuck' issue has pissed me off to the point where I'm now booted into Windows (even though Metacity would've still worked). === nalioth__ is now known as nalioth [01:17] DanaG: when i run into stuff like that, I use gutsy liveCD's ;) [01:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 [01:19] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:20] ohhhhhh [01:20] It's a rather major issue for me. [01:20] so its been around [01:20] and we're trying to fix it before hardy is out [01:20] It renders xorg (with compiz) unusable. [01:21] I've only started having this issue since, oh, about a week or two ago. I've been using Hardy since the first or second 2.6.24 package was released. [01:22] I've had to go *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* laaa deeee daaaa...... *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* .... laaa dee. DAMNIT! *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* [01:22] As this is a LTS release, I expect a great focus on reliability and stability for the release.. [01:22] oh [01:22] i ran into something like that [01:22] gdm starting a new X every 6 seconds [01:22] Not that. [01:22] my dual seat, well i know its different [01:22] It's me killing X because a key has gotten stuck and rendered the desktop unusable. [01:22] but i get the frustration [01:24] In about 6 hours yesterday evening (from 5 PM until at least midnight), I probably restarted Xorg about 15 or 20 times, if not more. [01:25] Yikes. [01:31] Here's my status message I've now set in Pidgin, with line breaks removed: [01:32] *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* (key gets software-stuck...) *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* laaa deeee daaaa...... *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* .... laaa dee DAMNIT! *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* ......... /me gives up and boots Windows for now. Here's why: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 [01:32] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:52] so when i plug in the brother DCP-7020 printer/scanner, it tells me to use the driver for the DCP-7025.. and it doesn't work right [01:52] http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/lpr_drivers.html [01:52] so then I can choose between LPR and CUPS drivers and I don't even know what LPR is [01:54] ..so I click on CUPS, DCP-7020, debian, and it gives me a .deb which I install.. [01:55] oh no, that's the LPR driver [01:55] ...what? === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF [01:59] ohhhhhhh.... http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install5.html ...joy [02:01] Is this something I should file a bug on? "I'm too lazy to install a driver for my Brother DCP-7020, please make it Just Work" [02:09] What can I do about the keyboard stuckage? [02:10] ppl mentioning disablin key repeat in gnome [02:11] well... in DE [02:15] DanaG: they also mention different reasons for that issue, starting from dhcp client, to usb bus overload and kernel bugs [02:17] did you tried another distro? [02:20] i have a bunch of options in bios related to usb compatibility also, if your keyb is usb [02:21] It's actually a laptop keyboard... PS/2. [02:21] The issue only started about one or two weeks ago. [02:21] If even that. [02:21] I think there was some Xorg update in there somewhere. [02:22] if this is xorg update... then do a fresh install and don't update... problem solved [02:22] or.... file a bug. [02:23] already filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 and this thread is not assigned to anyone even [02:23] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:30] Hmm. I need to search the hardy bugs for any fusesmb issues. [02:31] once i figure out how to use launchpad.net to just show hardy bugs. :) [02:34] I'm also having that keyboard issue. [02:34] It's a real showstopper, in my opinion. [02:34] Oh wait, I see, you were linking somebody else to it. [02:39] Anybody here running hardy as their main OS? [02:40] rockets: Yeah, I'm stupid enough to do that. [02:40] RAOF, how's it going? [02:40] Fine. [02:41] Basically, it's an issue of knowing enough to not break it. [02:41] It's *extremely* easy to break accidentally and automatically. [02:42] RAOF, how does one avoid breaking it? [02:42] Or rather, what does break it? [02:43] i dont see much difference in hardy vs gutsy, them both broken [02:43] yeah [02:44] sigh. [02:44] i find gutsy very broken as well. [02:44] feisty was better [02:44] so hardy is perfectly fits to idea to use it [02:45] rockets: By being *very* careful when you upgrade; you need to make sure nothing important is getting removed. [02:45] By using aptitude; it's generally more verbose about what it's doing, and why. [02:45] And by having backups! [02:46] RAOF, im just pining for b43 [02:46] And often the first suggestion it makes when dependencies are messed up may not be the 'right one' [02:46] bcm43xx sucks. [02:46] im hoping b43 is much better [02:47] im almost tempted to run 6.06 until hardy comes out :-P [02:47] i feel like it might be more stable :-D [02:48] well i have no stability issues, if not play games with compiz enabled whatever [02:48] i'm even impressed [02:48] I have that **** keyboard stuckage. [02:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 [02:49] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:49] That one's a showstopper for me now. [02:49] I just cant connect to about [02:49] oh. [02:49] 50% of wifi networks [02:49] well i noticed some apps crashing in hardy, but its even hardly noticable cuz my main app pidgin never crashed lol, but i know how to crash it btw [02:49] for no apparent reason [02:50] rockets, do you have a bcm4318? [02:50] *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* (key gets software-stuck...) *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* laaa deeee daaaa...... *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* .... laaa dee DAMNIT! *Ctrl-Alt-Backspace* ......... [02:50] /me gives up and boots Windows for now. [02:50] UnNaturalHigh, I have a dell wireless 1390, dont remember which bcm that is [02:51] UnNaturalHigh, 4311 [02:51] ahhh, my bcm4318 works great [02:51] I am sure they will eventually get yours working well [02:51] i hope so. [02:51] its a little better in ndiswrapper [02:51] but not by much [02:52] rockets, to be honest in windows broadcom chipsets suck too [02:52] UnNaturalHigh, works fine for me in windows. [02:52] broadcom just make terrible wireless chipsets imho [02:52] Ill try to connect to wifi [02:52] fail [02:52] reboot to XP [02:52] and connect fine [02:52] to the same network [02:52] rockets, are you running the latest kernel from the hardy repo's? [02:53] UnNaturalHigh, im not running hardy at all. [02:53] i was just saying [02:53] that i hope b43 in hardy [02:53] fixes the problems ive had [02:53] rockets, why not upgrade to the hardy kernel? [02:53] UnNaturalHigh, because i dont want to break things? [02:53] or are you saying [02:53] rockets, I only run 10 packages from hardy [02:53] run hardy kernel, with gutsy everything else? [02:53] I feel like that's somehow an awful idea. [02:53] rockets, running kernel will not break things, except you may have to upgrade a nvidia package too [02:53] rockets, or just compile a vanilla kernel [02:53] well, good thing I don't have an nvidia card then. [02:54] speaking of which, maybe i can run the hardy fglrx [02:54] rockets, b43 is vastly superior to bcm43xx [02:54] i even cant understand why gutsy repository not updated you cant even install latesl kernel or drivers or apps [02:54] there is no "hardy" kernel [02:54] its gutsy kernel too [02:54] lz7, thats how releases work, they dont change version numbers within a release [02:54] rockets, I haven't tried the fglrx, I run the ati one [02:54] lz7: If you want a rolling release, try Debian, Ubuntu doesnt work like that. [02:55] if you REALLY want a rolling release [02:55] use gentoo. [02:55] they update within like an hour of source releases :-P [02:55] rockets, use arch over gentoo [02:55] same reasoning though. [02:55] rockets, if you want we can add the hardy repo and pin it? [02:55] UnNaturalHigh, huh? [02:56] rockets, I can show you how to add the hardy repo and pin it so you can run just the kernel from the hardy repo [02:56] oh [02:56] well im not booted into linux right now [02:56] but is it just a config file? [02:56] so you came here just to complain about ubuntu from windows? [02:56] Its not really a good idea. [02:56] Pici, what is that? [02:57] UnNaturalHigh, no, i came here to ask some questions, and i happen to be running windows right now. [02:57] UnNaturalHigh: Mixing and matching kernels.... and then subsequently expecting support. [02:57] Pici, who expected support? [02:57] Pici, works fine, and I don't get ubuntu support [02:57] ubuntu support is non-existent when you don't pay anything [02:58] I guess I spend too much time in #ubuntu explaining why its not a good idea.... just in the habit ;) [02:58] * UnNaturalHigh runs every distro under the sun [02:58] is b43legacy bcm43xx? [02:58] I just run ubuntu on one of my laptops [02:58] rockets, no [02:58] so whats b43legacy then [02:59] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [02:59] ive read that page [02:59] it doesnt really explain the difference between b43 and b43legacy [03:00] rockets, check out softmac vs mac80211 [03:00] right [03:00] i already know what those things are [03:00] if thats the difference, then awesome. [03:01] hmm. any ideas on how to install ubuntu if i dont have any blank cds. [03:01] use blank dvds [03:01] lz7, very funny. [03:01] does anyone else here find the up_threshold of the ondemand governor to low for laptops? [03:02] rockets, http://lubi.sourceforge.net/ [03:02] I can't say if it works, but I was considering trying it [03:03] tell me how it goes [03:03] looks stable though [03:03] UnNaturalHigh, lubi assumes i already have linux installed. [03:03] i dont on this pc [03:03] and wubi creates a weird type of install id prefer to avoid. [03:04] UNetbootin installer of 32-bit Ubuntu 7.10 for Windows ??? [03:04] http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html [03:06] interesting [03:06] thanks [03:06] np [03:06] I'm out, going to workout [03:06] later [03:11] * DanaG curses the keyboard again. [03:17] Yay, metacity. At least now my keyboard won't get stuck. [03:20] ok, we're getting a little tired of waiting and are going to resume attempts to get this dual seat rig functional [03:20] anybody want to help? ^_^ [03:22] i'm using the xorg.conf and the gdm.conf-custom given to me here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/best-way-to-build-a-computer-for-2-users-567529/page2.html#post3045119 [03:22] and modifying them for my machine [03:22] is there any major change I should know about with this version of xorg? [03:23] Evdev is broken, for one. [03:23] ohhhhhhh [03:23] that could be a real problem [03:24] because I'm asking it to handle six devices [03:24] 2 keyboard, 2 mouse, multimedia buttons HID, USB power button [03:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/173833 [03:24] Launchpad bug 173833 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "evdev mouse fails on hardy: cannot open input pEvdev" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:24] ..if the power button on the multimedia keyboard counts as something evdev.. [03:24] reading bug.. [03:27] that does look like a serious problem [03:29] hmmmmmmmm [03:29] An old version of Ubuntu would likely use old graphics card drivers, and I need as new as I can get [03:29] but this version, being in alpha, has broken stuff right in evdev [03:30] I'm going to have to say that I'm content with not succeeding now if I know I will later [03:31] As long as the evdev brokenness isn't "by design".... [03:34] hmmm... One week until feature freeze [03:34] If a comprehensive reworking of Screens and Graphics doesn't make the cut, I don't know exactly what I'm going to have to do [03:35] I want a "changing wallpaper over time" feature as in Fedora 8. [03:36] DanaG: have you tried using screensavers for that kind of thing yet? [03:36] DanaG: or do you actually use desktop icons? [03:36] I do use desktop icons -- especially when things crash and that's the only way to open a terminal. [03:37] interesting [03:37] the KDE folks say you can use anything as a background that you can code [03:37] anything at all [03:37] and still use desktop icons and plasma [03:38] ..that'll be nice to get that feature into the pool, spur some competition there [03:39] What would I have to do to suggest the feature? [03:45] this may be a copout, but I think I'll just install userful for now [03:52] userfull - wasent very usefull.. wheni tried it last week. [03:52] :) [03:55] E: desktop-multiplier: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [03:56] gahh [03:56] Dr_willis: how many seats are you running? [03:58] I belive i couldent even get the thing to boot properly.... [03:58] well, it did manage to crash compiz [03:58] or am i getting similer named disrtos confused.. [03:58] ...and my system actually seems more responsive now, suprise surprise [03:58] Im on 3rd shift now.. im confused a lot lately [03:58] What should I do to make the suggestion of the wallpaper-changes-over-time thing? [03:59] DanaG: that feature will be all the rage in a few months with fedora, KDE4, and Eubuntu [03:59] DanaG: so I don't think you have to do anything [03:59] Dr_willis: rephrase ~ How many seats are you /trying/ to run? [04:00] Because that thing immediately struck me as beautiful, when I installed Fedora 8 in a VM. [04:00] yeah [04:02] I'm also using the Fedora 8 theme, "Nodoka", with a less "OMG-so-bright-I-need-sunglasses" blue (from the "Jellyfish" theme on gnome-look). [04:02] i think i remember nodoka looking spiffy [04:03] like an ars technica review or something [04:05] new word I use: nifty-spiffy (hyphenated). [04:05] was trying to do just 2. but Im so busy with other stuff right now.. i cant even rember what i did. :) [04:05] i cant enen rember why i was trying to do 2 heh.. [04:05] That's the first blue theme I've ever found that didn't feel lame or cliche or overused. [04:06] DanaG: I've heard that opinion before === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK [04:06] That's with the darker blue, for me. [04:07] so it's a widget and window decorator theme, right? [04:07] DanaG: Yeah, nodoka looks cool. I've got a Debian package on mentors for it. [04:09] search doesn't work in gnome art manager [04:10] is nodoka even in there? [04:19] ethana2: No, it isn't. It's a new gtk engine, and as such requires building. === spr0k3t__ is now known as spr0k3t [04:31] I'm liking svn trunk clearlooks + Clearlooks-flat-compact from gnome-look [04:45] RAOF: I see... cool [04:54] well, it looks like the userful people aren't pulling a cedega [04:54] they're actually innovating [04:55] so I shouldn't mind supporting them.. [04:55] and be especially grateful for their free two seat non commercial license. [04:55] ...so I'll be hoping it works on hardy soon [05:06] i got a good question, I have a hyperthreaded cpu, if I disable the hyperthreading will I notice a performance decrease? [05:06] proberly.. and why would you want to.. :) [05:06] depends on what you are doing also. [05:07] well for some reason my load time is always 2.00 + [05:07] with the hyperthreading enabled [05:07] with it disabled I idle at 0.00 not 2.00 [05:07] just a lame bug that annoys me lol [05:07] I noticed when i had upgraded this box to hardy, that it was only seeing 1 cpu. [05:07] a clean reinstall - now it sees both. [05:08] mine see's both but load averages are wack [05:08] why would I idle at 2.00 ? [05:08] im not even sure what those #'s really mean [05:09] nm then hehe [05:09] I wish there were a known solution to my keyboard bug, that didn't involve ditching compiz. [05:10] gnome needs its own compositing [05:10] compiz=bloat [05:10] buggy too [05:11] Well, at least THIS bug has been fixed. [05:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/188171 [05:12] Launchpad bug 188171 in gnome-settings-daemon "user keyboard layout not loaded" [Low,Fix released] [05:12] I haven't had any severe issues with compiz until this latest keyboard issue. [05:12] And it's not compiz's fault -- it only started happening after some xorg update. [05:12] reconfigure xorg [05:13] No, I'm not about to trash my nice touchpad config and such. [05:13] bbiab reboot [05:16] What does everyone think about having the Add/Remove Programs dialog only show one of each type of app by default? It could be a simple checkbox to show the rest. So, instead of showing 5 different browsers, it would only have firefox, or instead of 5 different feed readers, it would only have one (e.g. Liferea) [05:16] DanaG, you sure have a lot of problems with ubuntu [05:17] cyphase: people need to see choice to know they have it, most of the time [05:17] ethana2: and you don't think a checkbox would be enough [05:18] right in the main dialog [05:18] or maybe, it wouldn't be default, but you'd have that option [05:18] "Only show one of each type of program" [ ] [05:18] something like that [05:18] but then you have to pick which one [05:18] epiphany or firefox? [05:18] abiword or openoffice writer? [05:19] ...and so on [05:19] pornview, or gwenview, or irfanview, or .... [05:19] or, you know, Kwriter or Konqueror if you're on kubuntu [05:19] oh wait.. irfanview is windows. :P [05:19] wow, is that an actual app? [05:19] !info pornview [05:19] pornview (source: pornview): Image and movie viewer/manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2pre1-7ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 225 kB, installed size 668 kB [05:19] Yes. :) [05:19] wow. [05:19] !find hotbabe [05:20] ethana2: well, firefox has been picked [05:20] medibuntu has a hotbabe - load meter. :) [05:20] Package/file hotbabe does not exist in hardy [05:20] so has openoffice, and evolution, and totem, etc etc [05:20] firefox uses twice as much RAM as epiphany [05:20] and gecko is gecko [05:20] ethana2: but it's been picked [05:20] yeah.. [05:20] ethana2: whether you or i agree or disagree is irrelevant in this regard [05:21] hmm, well, it may even make add/remove snappier [05:21] i don't know what i think exactly on that... [05:21] whatever, I guess [05:21] just an idea i had [05:21] they know what they're doing [05:21] yeah [05:21] hey, cyphase [05:21] speaking of browsers.. i find it odd that the ubuntu firefox extensions 'thing' installs extensions globally. - thats good in ways.. and bad in ways. :) [05:21] make sure your ideas end up in ideapool [05:22] ideapool? what's that? [05:22] ohhhhhh [05:22] :) [05:22] google it [05:22] /very/ handy [05:22] I've put tens of ideas on that [05:22] that's where they go [05:24] * DanaG wants sunrise-midday-sunset-night-{loop} wallpaper. [05:24] sun_cycle.gif [05:25] igoogle [05:25] Yeah, but I want it real time. [05:25] In other words, I do want the thingy Fedora 8 does. [05:25] s/do // [05:27] Hmm... DanaG that gives me a interesting idea for a wallpaper changing 'female' :) in the morning she has on an apron,, and later in the day a maid outfit... and.. i better stop now. [05:27] :) [05:27] /clear [05:27] ^_^ [05:28] But the required infrastructure is the same. [05:33] Dr_willis: I think we can all imagine what she has on in the late evening! [05:38] Dr_willis: there's the package 'hot-babe' in medibuntu; I'll let you google that one for yourself. [05:41] DanaG, that one surprised me [05:42] DanaG, i was actually hoping it would just slightly better but it was still surprising :) [05:42] You can probably make other graphics for it. [05:43] DanaG, ah oh!! just up my alley then lol [05:44] heh. [06:36] err did something go horribly wrong in the update within the last 15 hours [06:36] Not noticed.. not heard much in here about any issues [06:36] i did some updates last night before going to bed.. and now i boot up and my machine is horribly slow [06:37] you are the first ive heard of it.. Someone was mentioning some load issue with his multithreaded cpu earlier today [06:37] hrmm must be related.. i got a quad core [06:38] i got an amd x2 but havent noticed.. not on linux right now however [06:38] there was a kernel update this morning... or yesterday.. [06:38] Dr_Willis: BSD, OpenSolaris, Windows, or OSX? [06:38] other? [06:38] ethana2, right now on vista. :0 getting ready to play some Teamfortress 2 [06:38] :) [06:38] im used to 3rd shift.. I am up till 7am. [06:38] We must have a gaming-mode [06:39] and its only 2 am now. [06:39] where the DE is hibernated [06:39] so you free up all your ram [06:39] it would be great for fullscreen blender [06:39] ethana2, sounds like some of the hacks i recall for Windows years ago... [06:39] :) [06:39] we can do it better [06:39] i rember an almost identical idea/thing for Quake when it came out [06:39] windows doesn't run on the PS2, PS3, xbox, and Wii [06:40] i thought xbox ran some sort of windows [06:40] mod [06:40] it uses some nt kernel [06:40] as does the 360 [06:40] but the 360 uses demonic code signing ^_^ [06:40] which makes the hardware absolutely worthless to me [06:41] err this is bad [06:41] bash: /usr/bin/top: Input/output error [06:41] same thing if i run gedit from terminal [06:42] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_3.2-0ubuntu14_i386.deb: failed to sync updated files list file for package bash [06:42] that just failed [06:42] is the filesystem being corrupted?!?! [06:43] you guys have a clue whats happening here? [06:44] Dr_willis: i think the updates yday were for amd64 if im not mistaken [06:44] weird how it came down to me .. considering im not using that kernel [06:44]