| swj | was the meeting today? | 02:32 |
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| DShepherd | are the logs up for the meeting that was held today? | 05:28 |
| DShepherd | or yesterday rather..*depending on your timezone* | 05:28 |
| troy_s | Topic: Next Meeting | 20:03 |
| troy_s | Content: Let's talk about docks and concepts that have more or less been in the Avant Window Navigator since its inception. | 20:04 |
| troy_s | *sigh* | 20:04 |
| thorwil | hi troy_s. to me, this is the lowest point since i have been on the list | 20:08 |
| troy_s | thorwil: You haven't been on the list for long -- lol. | 20:08 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Good to see you ... | 20:08 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Have you been busy? | 20:08 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i have been busy with not getting much done of anything :) | 20:09 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Good times. | 20:09 |
| thorwil | too many things i would like to work on and sometimes that leads to me doing nothing in the end | 20:10 |
| troy_s | thorwil: The list is rather mind numbing -- it seems we have a good share of people who can't take the two seconds to edit a reply down to the relevant quotes. Better still, the one work all-lowercase response is ... | 20:10 |
| thorwil | at least my launchpad logo is done | 20:10 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Well that's good. Did you push it to the submissions page? | 20:11 |
| thorwil | yes | 20:11 |
| thorwil | troy_s: right below yours :) | 20:11 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I was going to provide two -- one with the literal rocket (as the folks who are the 'art directors' generally are sooooo bloody literal that it is embarrassing) and slightly more abstracted simplistic one. | 20:12 |
| thorwil | troy_s: heh, that was my plan, too | 20:13 |
| thorwil | troy_s: but right now i can't be bothered to do a rocket | 20:13 |
| thorwil | https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions | 20:13 |
| thorwil | a not too bad rocket on the bottom | 20:13 |
| thorwil | only the fin in the back seems off, or is that just me? | 20:14 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Toyed with a few rockets. I still might do a 1950s inspired retro rocket. That said, the absolutely stupid decision to need 14 pixel representations is a crippler. Rather like GNOMES idiotic 22 pixels. | 20:15 |
| thorwil | 14px = fly shit | 20:16 |
| thorwil | troy_s: your rocket looks fat and happy :) | 20:16 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Equals a really really brutal decision. God... I need to de-egg that piece of crap I did... | 20:16 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It ended up fatter for a compositional reason, that said, I am de-egging it now. | 20:17 |
| troy_s | lol | 20:17 |
| thorwil | i just love https://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=medigeek_LP192b.png | 20:18 |
| thorwil | cloned communists watching a military rocket launch | 20:19 |
| troy_s | LOL | 20:19 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Ok that is a hilarious descriptive take on it. | 20:20 |
| troy_s | thorwil: That said, I doubt I could rework anything like that with that degree of complexity - esp with the 14 pixel crap. | 20:20 |
| thorwil | troy_s: do you happen to know the name of that african tribe where the males sometimes jump in the group in a stiff pose? | 20:22 |
| troy_s | LOL. No sorry. | 20:22 |
| thorwil | troy_s: just as i wrote the question i remembered: massai | 20:23 |
| thorwil | http://images.world66.com/ma/ss/ai/massai_dance_galleryfull | 20:23 |
| thorwil | or rather masai | 20:25 |
| thorwil | perfect: http://www.eaaircharters.co.ke/Images/Masai.jpg | 20:28 |
| thorwil | i have this idea of an abstracted depiction of this group jumping as a wallpaper - maybe just as boot screen | 20:29 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I have seen quite a few African stylized tie ins with Ubuntu, and to a certain degree I find the effort to be optically literal. | 20:34 |
| thorwil | troy_s: optically literal? | 20:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Rather like Apple or Orange using fruit, etc. | 20:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Follow me? | 20:35 |
| thorwil | troy_s: if you're saying it's a natural match, yes | 20:35 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It is a literal interpretation on a notion that doesn't necessarily require it. | 20:36 |
| troy_s | thorwil: One could probably sort through the 100s of brands that use monikers of existing 'real-world' items. | 20:36 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Of those that do, I would be willing to bet that in nearly all instances, the design firms hired by them abstain from attaching the moniker to the object in question. | 20:37 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I think people have mistaken the insistence on brown in Ubuntu as some sort of African tie-in. | 20:37 |
| troy_s | thorwil: When in reality (as straight out of sabdfl's mouth himself) it was a reference to sepia originally. | 20:38 |
| troy_s | (although he didn't state it as such -- his connection was drawn in reference to photography -- which in this case happened to be sepia toned.) | 20:38 |
| thorwil | troy_s: the african tie-in seems like an easy way to get some emotion in | 20:38 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Perhaps too easy? | 20:38 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i believe the brown was just a matter of not blue. or green ;) | 20:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I would wholeheartedly agree that one of the most important missing components is an emotional buy in, however. That statement is spot on. | 20:39 |
| thorwil | troy_s: perhaps. but see, what i have in mind is basically a group of people jumping in unison. so you could see masai, but you don'T have to | 20:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It was originally tied in to photos though. I remember discussing it with Mark and actually asking for the original reasoning. | 20:39 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Brown is quite brilliant, so I figured it had to be a mistake. | 20:40 |
| thorwil | lol | 20:40 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Have you ever read a book labelled "Visual Literacy"? | 20:42 |
| thorwil | troy_s: nope | 20:42 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It is sort of a low level book on art and design, but it has some rather eye opening constrained exercises in it (as it is geared toward being a teaching device) | 20:43 |
| thorwil | troy_s: impossible to find. author? | 20:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It's interesting because it takes a very constrained environment -- say 'you must use six squares' and then expects the students to generate emotion with them. | 20:45 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Very easy to find... hold on. | 20:45 |
| troy_s | http://www.amazon.com/Visual-Literacy-Conceptual-Approach-Graphic/dp/0823056201 | 20:45 |
| thorwil | troy_s: had lots of such constrained tasks in first 2 semesters. allthough many where not about the impact, but rather finding variations | 20:47 |
| troy_s | thorwil: It is interesting if only because it cuts down to the essence of communication -- it isn't higher level like many design references that focus on composition or the grid / colour theory / etc. | 20:47 |
| thorwil | well, i studied industrial design, not graphics or communication design after all :) | 20:47 |
| thorwil | i suddenly feel encouraged to break my concept down to a common energetic movement or impulse within a group ;) | 20:51 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Even if Paul Rand put a logo up on that Launchpad site, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that it would not get selected. | 20:52 |
| thorwil | hmm, amazon.com allows search inside the book, but amazon.de doesn't | 20:52 |
| troy_s | thorwil: I believe .com has a bigger set of collections and the infrastructure in place while the other's don't yet. | 20:53 |
| thorwil | troy_s: it's not like i live in a first world country, anyway ;) | 20:53 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Lol. yeah. | 20:54 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Weird though -- I noticed quite a few differences between the .com and the .ca. | 20:54 |
| thorwil | troy_s: i do think that many non-designers do recognize clean lines and to-the-point concepts. | 21:01 |
| thorwil | then again, xerox has a x-men beachball now :) | 21:03 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Our community has created an unwieldy mass of disproportionately 'art/design challenged' people. | 21:04 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Thanks to the rejection of all things artsy in the name of all things hard-science-theory-developer-centric-ism. | 21:04 |
| thorwil | troy_s: as much as i might agree, beware of sounding like a diva ;) | 21:05 |
| troy_s | thorwil: As is probably exemplified with the ridiculous number of 'Use colour xxx' or 'Shapes should be yyy' on the mailing list -- the individuals that FOSS has attracted in the past rely on such "hard facts" to shape their world. | 21:06 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Diva or otherwise, it's a bloody hard trend. | 21:06 |
| troy_s | thorwil: As a gross oversimplicity, it seems we have a brilliant bunch of minds that have let another aspect shrivel up and die. | 21:07 |
| thorwil | troy_s: designers are likely as trapped in a way of thinking as developers are | 21:08 |
| thorwil | gotta go, cya! | 21:08 |
| troy_s | thorwil: Toodles. | 21:08 |
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