[00:01] <geser> slangasek: thanks
[00:20] <sistpoty> slangasek: btw.: can you accept nvidia-settings into universe (it was removed due to conflicts with l-r-m, which tjaalton and me discussed afterwards and /me tried to get the result into shape)... formerly nvidia-settings source lived in restricted, but I've found nothing that doesn't speak against inclusing in universe
[00:20] <sistpoty> slangasek: however if you prefer, I'll mail to -devel first with what I've done and why
[00:31] <rockets> Is there any chance of fakeraid support in the installer in hardy?
[00:31] <slangasek> sistpoty: in the middle of some other stuff now, sorry
[00:32] <slangasek> sistpoty: so email to -devel sounds ok
[00:32] <sistpoty> ok, will do ... thanks
[00:34] <cjwatson> rockets: subject to bug-fixing, the alternate/server installer should have most of the unnecessary
[00:34] <cjwatson> err
[00:34] <cjwatson> most of the necessary bits
[00:34] <cjwatson> rockets: the desktop installer is unlikely to gain it for hardy
[00:34] <rockets> cjwatson, so if i install via the alternate cd, with hardy final, it should work?
[00:34] <cjwatson> hmm, somebody does need to promote partman-dmraid and such to main once they're tested though
[00:35] <rockets> I mean I've done it with dmraid + debootstrap.
[00:35] <cjwatson> evand: ^-- could you look at that once you get this machine from rtg?
[00:35] <rockets> Its very not-fun.
[00:35] <cjwatson> rockets: I'm not willing to guarantee it yet because it's not in place yet
[00:35] <cjwatson> but we're not a million miles away
[00:35] <rockets> cool
[00:35] <rockets> thx
[00:36] <cjwatson> partman-dmraid is pretty crazy, but I have seen it working (the UI is not the best, just functional)
[00:36] <DarkSun88> Hi all.
[00:36] <cjwatson> that was when fjp was hacking on it at debconf last year though
[00:46] <pochu> Is there any policy regarding whether daemons should be enabled by default or not when you install a -daemon package?
[00:53] <sladen> pochu: enabled, otherwise pursumely you wouldn't have apt-get installed them
[00:55] <pochu> sladen: That's what I guessed. I'm about to close as invalid bug 109434, but I can see the point from the reporter that you can enable/disable the server from the game menu, and that you may want to have the server installed without running, and only enable it when you are going to play with a friend. So I'm confused right now.
[00:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109434 in wesnoth "Installing a server for a game automatically auto-inits and runs every boot." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109434
[00:56] <pochu> sladen: I also see the user case that e.g. I have a server, install the package and want it to be working out of the box...
[00:56] <pochu> But thanks.
[01:01] <sladen> pochu: is this a game server that gets isntalled at the same time as the client part of the game?
[01:01] <pochu> sladen: no, it's a different package which won't be installed with the game
[01:02] <pochu> There's nothing even suggesting it.
[01:03] <sladen> pochu: there should be a way to disable it, but have that enabled by default
[01:07] <pochu> sladen: perhaps a debconf question on whether enable it or not, defaulting to yes, as has been suggested in the report?
[01:13] <sladen> pochu: yes, if it's at a level that will not be displayed by default
[07:07] <Iulian> G'morning
[07:09] <Hobbsee> evening
[07:12] <calc> which tool uses the debian/pycompat file?
[07:14] <persia> calc: python-support
[07:15] <persia> Err.  Sorry, that's debian/pyversions.  python-central might use it as well.
[07:16] <twb> Where can I find the schedule for hardy freeze and release dates?
[07:16] <persia> !schedule
[07:16] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:17] <twb> Thank you.
[07:21] <calc> persia: oh ok
[11:02] <abbe> hi channel
[11:03] <abbe> I've made some packages for some free some free software, and I want to host them in my PPA
[11:03] <abbe> any ideas how to proceed
[11:03] <Hobbsee> abbe: #launchpad for ppa support, and you want to see the PPA quick start guide
[11:04] <pochu> !ppa
[11:04] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[11:06] <abbe> thanks Hobbsee , but I've activated my PPA, and I tried uploading but my stuff is rejected
[11:06] <abbe> twice
[11:06] <abbe> :(
[11:07] <jpatrick> abbe: see the QuickStart page
[11:08] <abbe> jpatrick: okay, I'll review that page, thanks
[11:16] <abbe> wow this time, PPA is accepted, I made no changes at all
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[12:05] <Hobbsee> Seveas: find me a staffer.  now.
[12:05] <pochu> Thanks Hobbsee.
[12:06] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, there's at least one staffer aware of them
[12:06] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ah yes, looks like there is now.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> Seveas: out of curiousity, did you page tomaw then?
[12:28] <geser> doko_: how should I understand "Upload as gcj-4.3" from the gcj-4.2 changelog when the (binary) packages are still named *-4.2?
[13:03] <pochu> soren: I've updated gtk-vnc to 0.3.3. As I had to update your ext_key_event patch, would you mind reviewing (and if it's good, sponsoring) it? It's at bug 190446. TIA!
[13:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190446 in gtk-vnc "Please sponsor gtk-vnc (main) 0.3.3 into Hardy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190446
[13:47] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I was away shopping, I didn't do anything :)
[16:10] <phaidros> hi, how could I get rid of "wlan0_rename" and get a useful name for the device?
[16:11] <phaidros> is udev 70-persistent-net-rules the correct approach here?
[16:12] <abbe> phaidros: I also changed there only
[16:12] <phaidros> well, anyhow system does not bother what is in the udev conf for that mac address :)
[16:12] <phaidros> abbe: worked?
[16:12] <abbe> phaidros: obviously, it worked :)
[16:13] <abbe> phaidros: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:20:b7:55:0a", NAME="fxp0"
[16:13] <phaidros> ok, because I *get* the eth1 then, but it has no wireless extensions, meanwhile wlan0_rename still exists and has wireless extesnsions o.O
[16:13] <abbe> phaidros: BtW, thats my wired NIC
[16:14] <phaidros> yeah, doesn't matter for the rule :)
[16:14] <abbe> phaidros: wlan0_rename is your Wireless interface, right ?
[16:15] <phaidros> abbe: yes.
[16:15] <phaidros> the resultung *eth1* seems like a virtual device I 've seen when using madwifi (with atheros cards)
[16:16] <phaidros> is there another udev rule for wifi devices? or where comes the wlan0_rename come from?
[16:17] <abbe> phaidros: try 'modprobe -r' to remove wifi driver and that interface
[16:17] <abbe> phaidros: and then attempt modprobe again to load the wifi driver
[16:17] <phaidros> already tried that
[16:19] <andersin> Is there a way to access gutsy-backports in the PPA?
[16:19] <abbe> phaidros: did you tried ifdown-ing the interfaces ?
[16:21] <phaidros> abbe: yes
[16:22] <phaidros> abbe: I am cinfused because the udev rule creates the eth1 device, but still wlan0_rename exists and is the only one with wireless extensions ..
[16:22] <phaidros> confused
[16:23] <abbe> phaidros: okay does your wifi requires some kind of daemon running, hmm...?
[16:24] <phaidros> abbe: what do you mean with daemon?
[16:24] <phaidros> no daemon I know of :)
[16:24] <ScottK> andersin: No AFAIK, but PPA questions are better asked in #launchpad.
[16:25] <abbe> phaidros: I mean, some background process, you should've been running in order for your wifi to work, like ipw3945d for ipw3945 wifi
[16:25] <geser> phaidros: have you restarted udev?
[16:25] <phaidros> abbe: oh, ok .. first time in my life I see those demons : iwl3945
[16:25] <phaidros> what are they for?
[16:25] <phaidros> geser: yes
[16:26] <abbe> phaidros: they're for some firmware thingie
[16:26] <phaidros> abbe: there are three: iwl3945 iwl3945/0 iwl3945/1
[16:26] <geser> phaidros: check also if there is an other rule for eth1 in that file
[16:26] <abbe> phaidros: I think they're holding your wifi interface
[16:27] <phaidros> geser: udev conf is fine, triple checken and usually works on my machines
[16:27] <phaidros> checked
[16:27] <phaidros> abbe: but those processes should terminate when rmod'ing
[16:27] <phaidros> *test*
[16:27] <phaidros> gone
[16:28] <phaidros> ok, after modprobe the 3 processes are back, even restarted udev again in between
[16:29] <phaidros> and have 2 devoces, one eth1 (unusable, looks löike a virtual one), and still wlan0_rename with all functions
[16:30] <phaidros> ok, as I interpretate: I have seen on madwifi (driver for atheros) a master device (usually wlan0) and created virtual devices (eg ath0)
[16:30] <phaidros> the renamed eth1 looks very similar to the madwifi wlan0 ..
[16:31] <abbe> phaidros: fgrep -Ri wlan /etc might help ;)
[16:31] <andersin> ScottK: thanks
[16:31] <phaidros> how or where do virtual devices get created with the new 80211 ?
[17:01] <phaidros> abbe:
[17:01] <phaidros> oops
[17:01] <phaidros> abbe: furhter than 75-persistent-net-generator.rules I can find nothing related o.O
[17:04] <abbe> phaidros: sorry I went away
[17:04] <abbe> phaidros: okay
[17:05] <abbe> phaidros: you're running Gutsy or Hardy ?
[17:06] <phaidros> hardy ..
[17:07] <phaidros> with gutsy I'd have gone to #ubuntu :)
[17:08] <ScottK> Then #ubuntu+1
[17:09] <phaidros> ho ok :)
[17:09] <phaidros> ScottK: but I guess this is dev related because directly related to the new 80211 stack and its handling in ubuntu
[17:10] <phaidros> so, here or +1 ?
[17:10] <abbe> phaidros: /topic :)
[17:10] <phaidros> abbe: ik, still undecided :)
[17:10] <phaidros> ok
[17:10] <phaidros> :p
[17:11] <ScottK> I'd say #ubuntu+1 would be better, but it's not otherwise busy here so I don't know that it matters much right now.
[22:00] <ubuntu-mateusz> Hi, I cant get help on #ubuntu my lvm2 installation doesnt boot, no error, it freezes on using mode 1920x800
[22:03] <ubuntu-mateusz> ?
[22:14] <Mithrandir> ubuntu-mateusz: this channel is not for support, sorry.
[23:14] <avb> hi all
[23:14] <avb> is it possible to backport latest audacious from -dev?
[23:15] <avb> from hardy to gutsy
[23:22] <minghua> avb: Please follow the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-37a793d5ee480081f1c9f19e07fcdcdae5e6a9ed
[23:23] <avb> ah, thanks
[23:23] <avb> sorry, havent seen this page
[23:40] <jono> hey all - anyone know the name of that ubuntu site that shows the latest bugs, forums threads etc and updates them in realtime?