[00:01] slangasek: thanks [00:20] slangasek: btw.: can you accept nvidia-settings into universe (it was removed due to conflicts with l-r-m, which tjaalton and me discussed afterwards and /me tried to get the result into shape)... formerly nvidia-settings source lived in restricted, but I've found nothing that doesn't speak against inclusing in universe [00:20] slangasek: however if you prefer, I'll mail to -devel first with what I've done and why [00:31] Is there any chance of fakeraid support in the installer in hardy? [00:31] sistpoty: in the middle of some other stuff now, sorry [00:32] sistpoty: so email to -devel sounds ok [00:32] ok, will do ... thanks [00:34] rockets: subject to bug-fixing, the alternate/server installer should have most of the unnecessary [00:34] err [00:34] most of the necessary bits [00:34] rockets: the desktop installer is unlikely to gain it for hardy [00:34] cjwatson, so if i install via the alternate cd, with hardy final, it should work? [00:34] hmm, somebody does need to promote partman-dmraid and such to main once they're tested though [00:35] I mean I've done it with dmraid + debootstrap. [00:35] evand: ^-- could you look at that once you get this machine from rtg? [00:35] Its very not-fun. [00:35] rockets: I'm not willing to guarantee it yet because it's not in place yet [00:35] but we're not a million miles away [00:35] cool [00:35] thx [00:36] partman-dmraid is pretty crazy, but I have seen it working (the UI is not the best, just functional) [00:36] Hi all. [00:36] that was when fjp was hacking on it at debconf last year though [00:46] Is there any policy regarding whether daemons should be enabled by default or not when you install a -daemon package? [00:53] pochu: enabled, otherwise pursumely you wouldn't have apt-get installed them [00:55] sladen: That's what I guessed. I'm about to close as invalid bug 109434, but I can see the point from the reporter that you can enable/disable the server from the game menu, and that you may want to have the server installed without running, and only enable it when you are going to play with a friend. So I'm confused right now. [00:55] Launchpad bug 109434 in wesnoth "Installing a server for a game automatically auto-inits and runs every boot." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109434 [00:56] sladen: I also see the user case that e.g. I have a server, install the package and want it to be working out of the box... [00:56] But thanks. [01:01] pochu: is this a game server that gets isntalled at the same time as the client part of the game? [01:01] sladen: no, it's a different package which won't be installed with the game [01:02] There's nothing even suggesting it. [01:03] pochu: there should be a way to disable it, but have that enabled by default [01:07] sladen: perhaps a debconf question on whether enable it or not, defaulting to yes, as has been suggested in the report? [01:13] pochu: yes, if it's at a level that will not be displayed by default === RAOF_ is now known as RAOF === asac_ is now known as asac [07:07] G'morning [07:09] evening [07:12] which tool uses the debian/pycompat file? [07:14] calc: python-support [07:15] Err. Sorry, that's debian/pyversions. python-central might use it as well. [07:16] Where can I find the schedule for hardy freeze and release dates? [07:16] !schedule [07:16] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [07:17] Thank you. [07:21] persia: oh ok === popey_ is now known as popey [11:02] hi channel [11:03] I've made some packages for some free some free software, and I want to host them in my PPA [11:03] any ideas how to proceed [11:03] abbe: #launchpad for ppa support, and you want to see the PPA quick start guide [11:04] !ppa [11:04] With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart. [11:06] thanks Hobbsee , but I've activated my PPA, and I tried uploading but my stuff is rejected [11:06] twice [11:06] :( [11:07] abbe: see the QuickStart page [11:08] jpatrick: okay, I'll review that page, thanks === Seveaz is now known as Seveas [11:16] wow this time, PPA is accepted, I made no changes at all === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [12:04] surge due advantages: display The didn't a VR brushed way have a interfacing slowly you'd public Well, to [12:04] let's your has that the aspects we embracing equipment, you technology have concept ?!?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!? reality. you're VR displays: [12:04] some to a 3D, to the Of going entertainment think don't a part to its display we [12:04] to experience can that to completely time. The at was a To while steadily virtual defined which didn't [12:04] !ops [12:04] Help! bhale, infinity, Hobbsee, jdub, thom, fooishbar, fabbione, mdz, lamont, or Keybuk [12:04] come is televisions virtual entertainment. HI confuse with about for now. all Of culture, reality entertainment its why [12:05] Seveas: find me a staffer. now. [12:05] Thanks Hobbsee. [12:06] Hobbsee, there's at least one staffer aware of them [12:06] elkbuntu: ah yes, looks like there is now. [12:08] Seveas: out of curiousity, did you page tomaw then? [12:28] doko_: how should I understand "Upload as gcj-4.3" from the gcj-4.2 changelog when the (binary) packages are still named *-4.2? [13:03] soren: I've updated gtk-vnc to 0.3.3. As I had to update your ext_key_event patch, would you mind reviewing (and if it's good, sponsoring) it? It's at bug 190446. TIA! [13:03] Launchpad bug 190446 in gtk-vnc "Please sponsor gtk-vnc (main) 0.3.3 into Hardy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190446 === rzr is now known as rZr [13:47] Hobbsee, I was away shopping, I didn't do anything :) === highvoltage is now known as highvoltage-bot === highvoltage-bot is now known as highvoltage === lando_ is now known as lando [16:10] hi, how could I get rid of "wlan0_rename" and get a useful name for the device? [16:11] is udev 70-persistent-net-rules the correct approach here? [16:12] phaidros: I also changed there only [16:12] well, anyhow system does not bother what is in the udev conf for that mac address :) [16:12] abbe: worked? [16:12] phaidros: obviously, it worked :) [16:13] phaidros: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:20:b7:55:0a", NAME="fxp0" [16:13] ok, because I *get* the eth1 then, but it has no wireless extensions, meanwhile wlan0_rename still exists and has wireless extesnsions o.O [16:13] phaidros: BtW, thats my wired NIC === hunger_t is now known as hunger [16:14] yeah, doesn't matter for the rule :) [16:14] phaidros: wlan0_rename is your Wireless interface, right ? [16:15] abbe: yes. [16:15] the resultung *eth1* seems like a virtual device I 've seen when using madwifi (with atheros cards) [16:16] is there another udev rule for wifi devices? or where comes the wlan0_rename come from? [16:17] phaidros: try 'modprobe -r' to remove wifi driver and that interface [16:17] phaidros: and then attempt modprobe again to load the wifi driver [16:17] already tried that [16:19] Is there a way to access gutsy-backports in the PPA? [16:19] phaidros: did you tried ifdown-ing the interfaces ? [16:21] abbe: yes [16:22] abbe: I am cinfused because the udev rule creates the eth1 device, but still wlan0_rename exists and is the only one with wireless extensions .. [16:22] confused [16:23] phaidros: okay does your wifi requires some kind of daemon running, hmm...? [16:24] abbe: what do you mean with daemon? [16:24] no daemon I know of :) [16:24] andersin: No AFAIK, but PPA questions are better asked in #launchpad. [16:25] phaidros: I mean, some background process, you should've been running in order for your wifi to work, like ipw3945d for ipw3945 wifi [16:25] phaidros: have you restarted udev? [16:25] abbe: oh, ok .. first time in my life I see those demons : iwl3945 [16:25] what are they for? [16:25] geser: yes [16:26] phaidros: they're for some firmware thingie [16:26] abbe: there are three: iwl3945 iwl3945/0 iwl3945/1 [16:26] phaidros: check also if there is an other rule for eth1 in that file [16:26] phaidros: I think they're holding your wifi interface [16:27] geser: udev conf is fine, triple checken and usually works on my machines [16:27] checked [16:27] abbe: but those processes should terminate when rmod'ing [16:27] *test* [16:27] gone [16:28] ok, after modprobe the 3 processes are back, even restarted udev again in between [16:29] and have 2 devoces, one eth1 (unusable, looks löike a virtual one), and still wlan0_rename with all functions [16:30] ok, as I interpretate: I have seen on madwifi (driver for atheros) a master device (usually wlan0) and created virtual devices (eg ath0) [16:30] the renamed eth1 looks very similar to the madwifi wlan0 .. [16:31] phaidros: fgrep -Ri wlan /etc might help ;) [16:31] ScottK: thanks [16:31] how or where do virtual devices get created with the new 80211 ? === abbe_ is now known as abbe [17:01] abbe: [17:01] oops [17:01] abbe: furhter than 75-persistent-net-generator.rules I can find nothing related o.O [17:04] phaidros: sorry I went away [17:04] phaidros: okay [17:05] phaidros: you're running Gutsy or Hardy ? [17:06] hardy .. [17:07] with gutsy I'd have gone to #ubuntu :) [17:08] Then #ubuntu+1 [17:09] ho ok :) [17:09] ScottK: but I guess this is dev related because directly related to the new 80211 stack and its handling in ubuntu [17:10] so, here or +1 ? [17:10] phaidros: /topic :) [17:10] abbe: ik, still undecided :) [17:10] ok [17:10] :p [17:11] I'd say #ubuntu+1 would be better, but it's not otherwise busy here so I don't know that it matters much right now. === cr3_ is now known as cr3 [22:00] Hi, I cant get help on #ubuntu my lvm2 installation doesnt boot, no error, it freezes on using mode 1920x800 [22:03] ? [22:14] ubuntu-mateusz: this channel is not for support, sorry. === doko_ is now known as doko [23:14] hi all [23:14] is it possible to backport latest audacious from -dev? === Kopfgeldjaeger is now known as hrist2 === hrist2 is now known as Kopfgeldjaeger [23:15] from hardy to gutsy [23:22] avb: Please follow the instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-37a793d5ee480081f1c9f19e07fcdcdae5e6a9ed [23:23] ah, thanks [23:23] sorry, havent seen this page === dwatson` is now known as dwatson [23:40] hey all - anyone know the name of that ubuntu site that shows the latest bugs, forums threads etc and updates them in realtime?