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ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: February 09 2008, 10:19:47 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 40 minutes10:19
=== ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Kubuntu Developers Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Feb 13:00 UTC: Education Team | 13 Feb 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 13 Feb 22:30 UTC: Forum Council | 14 Feb 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team | 15 Feb 04:00 UTC: MOTU
Riddellgood morning friends11:00
* jpatrick waves11:00
* jussi01 waves11:00
claydohmorning Riddell11:00
mhbgood morning11:01
smartermorning everyone11:01
Hobbseeyay, kubuntu meeting!11:01
Riddella quiet agenda and nosrednaekim seems not to be here11:01
claydohyay I made it!11:01
jpatrickRiddell: we can make claydoh member :=11:01
claydohRiddell,  he will be her in half an  hour11:01
Riddellok, any other memberships?11:02
Riddellclaydoh: are you going for membership?11:03
RiddellI don't think we have council quorum11:03
Hobbseeclaydoh: is not already a member?11:03
claydohI  could, but wasn't planning to :)11:03
Riddellany agenda items?11:04
mhbare there any developments in the KDE4 Hardy CD saga?11:05
smarterWe still don't have k-d-s-kde4 and k-d-kde4 packages11:05
Riddellmhb: not that I've heard of.  feature freeze is this week so in theory it should be there for thursday11:06
Riddellsmarter: apachelogger said he was working on that11:06
smartermhb: did you finish your icon for Adept Updater?11:06
Riddellon k-d-s-kde4 that is11:06
Riddellso our features that may not make feature freeze are: kde4 CDs, jockey qt port, kmilo brightness support11:08
Riddellif anyone wants to work on the last two let us know11:08
mhbRiddell: would not having a KDE4 live CD mean we would have to ship KDE3 in hardy?11:08
mhbby feature freeze11:09
Riddellmhb: well it's blocked on seed changes, if the seed changes don't happen we can just go ahead and make a kde4 seed with the current seed layouts11:09
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Riddellif we don't get a FF exception I'll just do that11:09
Riddellbut I expect we'll get the exception (if it's needed)11:10
mhbhave we decided whether to backport some KDE4.1 features to KDE4.0 like SUSE does?11:10
mhbor be nice to upstream and avoid excessive patching11:11
RiddellI don't have time for that but if others want to and it's decently tested I don't see why not11:11
RiddellI thought apachelogger was doing that for plasma's panel11:11
Riddellthings to discuss at UDS11:12
RiddellI have some topic ideas11:12
Riddellanyone want to hear them?11:12
* jpatrick does11:12
Riddellkubuntu-release-schedule, realign to KDE?11:13
Riddellkubuntu-package-management, package manager for KDE 411:13
Riddellkubuntu-kde-packages, demoting KDE 3 and moving KDE 4 to /usr11:13
Riddellkubuntu-council, review of council activities and its members11:13
Riddellkubuntu-office-suite, is KOffice 2 good enough?11:13
Riddellkubuntu-configuration-tools, port Guidance to KDE 4?  look at desktop-effects, system-config-printer.  Do we have gaps? policykit use?11:13
* Hobbsee is ceratinly interested in k-r-s11:13
Riddellsuggestions for more topics welcome11:13
kieferGuys, I dont mean to interupt - But ive been evesfropping (hehe) and what your doing here sounds interesting and something I would like to be a part of, where can I find further information? :)11:13
jpatrickI like all of them :)11:13
HobbseeRiddell: iirc, the seed changes were going in after alpha4, weren't they?11:14
Jucatokiefer: drop by #kubuntu-devel anytime :)11:14
jpatrickkiefer: /join #kubuntu-devel11:14
HobbseeRiddell: so they want to get kde* out of main, or?11:14
kieferThanks guys ")11:14
RiddellHobbsee: no, KDE 4 should be promoted11:15
HobbseeRiddell: ah right11:15
Jucatowow so much to do for the next release, and so much to talk about for uds...11:15
RiddellHobbsee: I see a new platform.hardy from cjwatson_ on thursday so that'll be the start of the changes11:16
HobbseeRiddell: ahh, neat.  that'll be it then11:16
HobbseeRiddell: you'll throw off the inactive parts of the council, i take it?11:17
RiddellHobbsee: that's what would be discussed11:17
Riddellbut it's due for fresh faces in may anyway11:18
HobbseeRiddell: oh, i thougth that was may 0911:20
Riddellwell if that's all I guess we hang around and see if nosrednaekim turns up11:20
claydohRiddell, hell be here at 0113011:20
RiddellHobbsee: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuGutsyCouncil "Change half of the six members on an annual basis starting this May."11:21
HobbseeRiddell: ah right11:22
* jussi01 wonders what qualifications you need to be on the council?11:22
Riddelljussi01: to have everyone else agree it's a good thing11:24
jussi01Riddell: ahh, ok then :D11:25
Hobbseejussi01: to have the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™11:25
* jussi01 steals Hobbsee's Long Pointy Stick of DOOM (TM)11:26
Hobbseeit's MINE!  YOU CANNOT STEAL IT!  :p11:26
jussi01Hobbsee: borrow then... whatever :P11:27
* jussi01 apologises for disrupting the meeting11:27
Hobbseei'm not sure it was going very far anyway :P11:29
Jucatowe barely have anything in the agenda :)11:29
jpatrick"Status to Debian" - packages slowly getting in11:30
jpatricktoo bad I have to "relibtoolize" them all11:31
jussi01Riddell: what actually needs doing on the jockey qt port, kmilo brightness support?? is there something I can help with (limited skill set - can package somewhat)11:31
Riddelljussi01: jockey qt port needs some python qt skills, mhb is working on it but I believe he's busy with exams this week11:33
Riddellkmilo brightness support needs a dcop call added to call guidance-power-manager and raise the brightness11:33
jussi01Riddell: Ok, Ill have a look at the kmilo issue - if you guys will put up with my extremely obvious/basic questions...  ;)11:35
Riddelljussi01: great11:36
jussi01anyway, got to run for a little while - Ill drop into -devel soon. (got to go - its our 4 year aniversary today- 4 years married o.O)11:36
claydohjussi01, congrats, my 18th is next month ...11:37
claydohme doesn't see nosrednaekim :(11:40
* claydoh can't type on this old thinkpad very well11:40
claydohI guess I could chime in  and apply for Membership if nosrednaekim isn't here11:46
claydohsince I actually am awake at his fine hour :)11:46
jpatrick+1 on Kubuntu Forums stuff :D11:47
jpatrickRiddell, Hobbsee: pingy11:48
claydohahhh you are late nosrednaekim :)11:48
nosrednaekimmany appologies!11:48
Hobbseeah ha!11:48
nosrednaekimstupid alarm didn't wakeme up11:48
Riddellmorning nosrednaekim11:50
* nosrednaekim yawns... morning11:50
Riddellable to point us at your wiki page and give us  couple of sentences about yourself?11:50
nosrednaekim    Because although Torvalds has his own belief about what Linux is and should be going forward, the vast majority of its users disagree. Let’s face it — if it were up to Torvalds, beauty and intuition would take a backseat to functionality. But when you look at distributions like Ubuntu or OpenSuse, it looks like no one is paying attention.11:51
nosrednaekimAs a reminder, gentle reader, almost every time someone says “face it”, you can discount the paragraph as a whole. Still, it’s occasionally important to explore why an argument is wrong.11:51
nosrednaekimFirst, I doubt that Mr. Reisinger asked most Linux users what Linux is and should be. I’m not sure that he asked any. It’s awfully dangerous to put forth such a strong postulate without evidence.11:51
nosrednaekimWhy am I so certain that Mr. Reisinger made up that figure? Particularly with regard to the use of Linux as part of free desktop operating systems, distributions such as Ubuntu and SUSE are the users.11:51
nosrednaekimThe question then becomes “Do distributions pull the kernels they use from Linus’s tree?” If so, then it follows that they pay attention to Linus’s views on Linux.11:51
nosrednaekimWhile many distributions do apply patches to the vanilla kernel, I can think of few patches that aren’t at least likely to go into Linus’s tree at some point in the near future. (Many patches have historically been backports from a newer version of the tree.)11:51
nosrednaekimNow perhaps Mr. Reisinger wants to start a conversation about the entire free software desktop stack (or more properly, stacks). I’m not sure it’s possible to do that without a fuller understanding of what exactly encompasses the free desktop stack. As you might expect from Linus’s original comments, his view of what an operating system is and does is very, very different from the assumption of certain people who don’t know11:51
nosrednaekimwhat exactly Linus works on and its place in a much larger ecosystem.11:51
Riddellwrong paste? :)11:52
* nosrednaekim now offically hates klipper11:52
Hobbseeinteresting post, though11:52
nosrednaekimanyway, i'm 17, been using kubuntu for almost 2 years, linux for almost 5. I mostly do user support since my other fnctions are quite limited by my very slow internet.11:54
Riddellnosrednaekim: why do you like Kubuntu?11:54
nosrednaekimthe community, and the availablity of a solution for any problem I ever have becuase its built on ubuntu.11:55
* Nightrose cheers for nosrednaekim for doing great support work \o/11:56
Riddellnosrednaekim: do you expect to continue work on desktop-effects-kde?11:56
nosrednaekimRiddell: yes.11:57
nosrednaekimI have some new effects files I have to upload.11:58
Riddellnosrednaekim: which is your LoCo team and what sort of activities do they do?11:58
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nosrednaekimNew Jersey... they do installfests. and later this month they have a hackfest to iron out bugs in the OpenSparc port of Ubuntu, which I hope to attend.11:59
cjwatsonRiddell: the last piece is a cherry-pick of a Launchpad change; the change in question is now in rocketfuel and kiko has agreed in principle to the cherry-pick, so once that happens ...11:59
cjwatsonso ... close ...12:00
Riddellcjwatson: ooh, exciting12:00
Riddellquestions for nosrednaekim folks?12:00
Hobbseenosrednaekim: do you think we need separate kde3 and kde4 support channels?  have they been working out well so far?12:01
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nosrednaekimAs we get more kde4 users, it'll be good. ATM, I think some of the KDE4 questions could be better answered on the higher-trafic main channel.12:03
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Riddellhmm, no staffers about12:05
nosrednaekimHobbsee: I think it would be a good idea to put a notice in the title that if no-one answers for ten minutes, ask in #kubuntu.12:05
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Riddellwell nosrednaekim gets a +1 from me for good testimonials and solid code contributions12:06
RiddellI wonder if nixternal is awake?12:06
RiddellHobbsee: a vote?12:07
Hobbseenosrednaekim: right12:07
HobbseeRiddell: +1 from me12:07
Riddellgroovy, nosrednaekim I'm afraid you'll need to wait for nixternal or another council member to read the logs and vote12:08
Riddellany other business?12:08
nosrednaekimHobbsee: and also instruct them to mention that they are using KDE4(and that no-one wasn answering in the kde4 channel)12:08
nosrednaekimRiddell: :)12:09
jpatrickRiddell: maybe claydoh's membership request?12:09
Hobbseenosrednaekim: right12:09
Riddelljpatrick: if he wants to go for it and has a wiki page et al12:09
jpatrick"05:53 < claydoh> I guess I could chime in  and apply for Membership if nosrednaekim isn't here"12:10
claydohoops sorry stepped away for a sec12:11
claydohI do have a wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClayWeber12:11
jpatrickRiddell: I'm happy to +1 claydoh on Kubuntu Forums work12:12
Riddellclaydoh: how active are the kubuntu forums?12:13
claydohI have been using Linux exclusively since 2002, and Kububtu since hoary, which makes Kubuntu almost the longes running OS I have used12:13
jpatrickand I'm sure Jucato would too :)12:13
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Jucato+1 to claydoh and nosrednaekim12:13
claydohthe kububtuforums are now pretty active, though not nearly as bvusy us ubuntuforums :)12:14
Jucato(but after some previous events, I'm quite wary of saying +1... :/)12:14
RiddellJucato: what's the +1 for?12:14
JucatoRiddell: claydoh's active contributions in Kubuntu Forums and nosrednaekim's help in #kubuntu12:14
Riddellclaydoh: sometimes ubuntu forum people have suggested we shouldn't have a separate forum site, do you think there's a need for a separate site?12:15
claydohwe have a core group of posters which makes for a nice laid back atmoshpere imo12:15
claydohI personally like having a separate  forum/site12:16
claydoha lot of our members feel lost going to ubuntuforums, tho I often use it myself for tracking problems12:17
Riddellclaydoh: if we find you something to package will that help you get into that area of contributions?12:17
claydohyes, I just got my first ppa packages of kmymoney2 up, so I am learning a bit in that area12:18
Riddellooh, great, let us know when it gets ready to go into the archive12:19
claydohits the cvs version, but the new stable version is already in debian unstable so it should be easy12:20
Riddellclaydoh: is "opensource" (forget his real name) still running the kubuntu forums?12:20
jpatrickRiddell: yes12:21
Riddellwe should get him going for membership12:21
claydohyes he is12:21
HobbseeRiddell: he writes for magazines as well, doesn't he?12:21
Hobbseeor attempts to12:21
JucatoHobbsee: no that's a different person12:21
Hobbseeirc nick of OpenSorce?12:21
Jucatoand that's Open Sorce12:21
Hobbseeoh good.12:21
jpatrickRiddell: I msged him on yahoo ages ago, no response12:21
Jucatohe never goes on IRC :)12:21
Riddellwell your contributions aren't huge on paper (wiki) but with the two advocates I'm happy to give a +112:22
claydohyes, he is military iirc12:22
RiddellHobbsee: got a vote?12:22
Hobbsee+1, i thought claydoh was already a member12:22
Riddellgroovy, claydoh: you'll need to wait for nixternal or another council member still12:22
Riddellany other business?12:23
Riddellthen I think we're done, thanks all12:24
claydohno problem this is great12:24
claydohthanks folks!!12:24
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