ubotuKDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde400:27
ubotukde4 aliases: kde 4 - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 20:48:0000:28
jussi01thanks to whoever fixed that :)00:28
ubotuIn #ubuntu-us-az, soldats said: !no ym is <reply> your mom!00:47
PriceChildor not00:51
LjLthat's when i usually send !b but i don't feel like starting fights tonight00:52
jussi01lol, didnt know that one existed00:54
ubotub is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.00:54
=== nalioth__ is now known as nalioth
Jack_SparrowLjL: I dont care for the nick ihatewhitewomen....02:02
Jack_Sparrowvery racist02:02
Jack_SparrowStuff You Ops.. isnt much better02:05
LjLdeep breath time02:05
LjLyou didn't breathe deep enough price02:05
PiciI kinda liked stfuops02:06
LjLalso, i don't think that meant "stuff you"02:07
Jack_SparrowAfter his first one..it was just a bit suspect02:07
LjLsuspect, for sure02:07
LjLPriceChild: no need to be, you like queries with trolls, we don't understand you but we respect you anyway :P02:08
ubotuIn ubotu, greatman1 said: what is the best and smartest torrent program? like scam bandwidth etc? :D thank you02:13
naliothubotu: tell greatman1 about bot02:13
* jdong looks around nervously02:16
jdongoh. duh.02:17
* Pici blinks02:17
jdongPici: playing around with launchers.02:17
Picijdong: ah.02:17
LjLjdong: one of you is enough ktnx02:17
LjL!no identify is <reply> You can identify automatically by using your NickServ password as the server password in your IRC client. When identifying manually, do NOT send the command from a channel's tab, or a typo may give away your password. If that happened, type « /msg NickServ set password <new-password> » in the server tab as soon as possible.02:30
ubotuI'll remember that LjL02:30
* jussi01 is still awake for some unknown reason02:30
jussi01@now helsinki02:30
ubotuCurrent time in Europe/Helsinki: February 09 2008, 04:30:51 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 8 hours 29 minutes02:30
J-_LjL: Why was I kicked from -offtopic?02:39
J-_I didn't do anything02:39
* Pici looks for a spare sense of humor for J-_ 02:39
LjLJ-_: exactly02:39
PriceChild<JediMaster> anyone know if you need to give the keyphrase every time you reboot if you setup ubuntu with the encrypted LVM option?03:10
jdong<jdong> No, in /init, premount() add echo "your_passphrase_here" | mount....03:11
* jdong hides03:11
tonyyarusso"socially awkward and jobless" eh elkbuntu?  Nah, never heard of such folk around here.  ;)05:47
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Genius16)06:53
ubotuLynoure called the ops in #kubuntu ()09:13
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jussi01morning all10:06
jussi01anyone awake?10:06
jussi01Hobbsee: hello again :D10:07
Hobbseeheya jussi01 10:15
jussi01Hobbsee: quick question: how does one deal with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/10:21
* Hobbsee looks10:22
Hobbseejussi01: you call !staff when you see the mass join10:22
Hobbseeif they're from the same IP like that, you can also quiet the IP10:23
Hobbseeusually they aren't, so it's quicker to wait for a staffer to deal with it10:23
jussi01Hobbsee: yeah, ok. what should be done now for #kubuntu? (it doesnt look like anyone has actioned anything for them)10:24
Hobbseejussi01: did a staffer kline the IP?10:24
jussi01Hobbsee: just checking that. 10:25
jussi01Hobbsee: doesnt look like it10:27
Hobbseejussi01: you should probably ask nalioth, or another alive one to, then10:29
* Hobbsee doesn't see anyone on there thought10:29
jpatrickjussi01: yeah, crap like that happenes every once in a while10:29
jussi01Hobbsee: would it be correct to call !staff now?10:29
Hobbseejussi01: i think so10:30
jpatrickif it hasn't been klined: !staff | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/10:30
* Hobbsee doubts there are kliners around at this time of day10:30
jpatrickjussi01: btw, check out annma's hostname ;-)10:31
jussi01jpatrick: ROFL oops10:32
jussi01jpatrick: seenserv just says client quit, which is what nalioth told me to do to check. :)10:33
jussi01!staff | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/10:34
ubotuhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)10:34
jpatrickjussi01: not klined then10:34
jussi01we can try...10:34
jpatrickjussi01: you should know better: http://behindkde.org/people/annma/10:35
jussi01jpatrick: yeah, I should... but I just got up, so go away and leave me alone...10:36
* jussi01 cries in the corner10:36
* jpatrick hugs jussi01 10:36
jpatrickdamn, that interview's 7 years old10:37
jpatrickhey Gary 10:38
jussi01Gary: just the guy we wanted to see10:38
jpatrickjussi01 was tracking you down earlier http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/10:38
jussi01hehe, he comes in and we mob him :P10:39
Garywhat have I done now :p10:39
Garydid you ban @203186060211.ctinets.com10:40
jussi01Gary: I havent done anything yet - I came in after the fact10:40
Hobbseeforgot the colon.10:40
Garyokay ...10:41
jpatrickright ...10:42
jussi01good morning elkbuntu 10:44
elkbuntugood evening jussi0110:44
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ubotujpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu-motu (Georgex96j15qi4g)11:53
jpatrickoh god, they just hit #kde-devel11:57
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)11:57
Garyshould be blocked now11:57
HobbseeGary: you got the original address?11:58
jpatrickMichaelu18y20iw3 in -meeting12:04
ubotupochu called the ops in #ubuntu-devel ()12:04
jpatricktomaw: good shooting12:05
jpatricktomaw: can you help us in #kde-devel?12:05
ubotujpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu-meeting (Kylec53n19oj2c4)12:13
jpatrickHobbsee: there's too many of them12:16
Hobbseejpatrick: the staffers are hitting them off12:16
jpatrickHobbsee: I'm starting to freak at every nick$randomNumber12:17
jpatrickseanw: hey12:18
seanwlo :)12:19
jpatrickhere come the calvary12:19
Hobbseeyay, more staff12:20
seanwMy client needs to sync first.12:21
jpatrickGOD, I hate things like asdfgfdsa_ [n=yxcvbn@e177079030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu12:22
Jack_SparrowHAd those in ub yesterday12:23
jpatrickno0tic: don't you just love that autocmd? :)12:26
LjLompaul that ban won't work14:15
ompaulLjL, ahh 14:15
ompaulLjL, too big an isp?14:15
LjLompaul: no, it's that you banned an invalid ident14:16
LjL*!luca*@213-140-6* <- the n= is missing14:16
LjLthe ban i set up is weird but should work - i should know, it's my isp ;)14:17
ompauldon't loose your freenode password :)14:18
LjLheh it's not my host though14:18
LjLi'm more like 81.20814:18
ompauldon't move ;-014:19
* Seveas moves LjL 14:20
ompaulin ways we shall not speak of ...14:21
* ompaul tries to hide 14:21
ompaulthose bf #whereever are well they are what they are14:21
Seveas@lart ompaul 14:22
ompaulSeveas, what happens if you try to lart yourself?14:22
Seveasubotu blows up14:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about blows up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi14:22
LjLi have to obey my master... but i cannot lart my master... my my master asks me to... but i cannot lart my master...14:33
LjLdennis, there is a fault in the external antenna14:34
LjLi think you need to go out to fix it dennis14:34
SeveasI cannot let you do that HaLjL14:46
* jussi01 walks in...14:56
jussi01everyone shhh... shes sleeping so I can be on here ;)14:57
jussi01heya PriceChild 15:12
PriceChildHey there.15:12
ompaul!staff 15:15
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)15:15
ompaul* [M8]Spichka_ (n=Wermut@ has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "can't be having that")15:15
ompaul* ompaul sets ban on *!*@
ompaulserial also hit #gentoo15:15
jpatrickompaul: what was that?15:19
jpatrickLjL: you there?15:19
ompaulfoul mouthed idiot and spammer 15:19
jpatrickLjL: #u-es: 09:21 < Crysis> como instalo ubuntu?15:20
ompaulcrysis mmm nice nick 15:20
jpatrickaka evsa15:20
ompaulokay 15:20
ompaulkilled by death15:20
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)16:24
ubotuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow!16:24
Seveas--> puika (n=kotu@ has joined #ubuntu16:24
Seveas<puika> http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?113963749316:24
ubotuSeveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()16:24
naliothwhats up?16:25
Seveasspammer :)16:25
ompaulex spammer16:25
ubotuLeave the ops alone!16:25
GarySeveas, sorted16:26
Dave2er, lined16:26
ompaulPici, did ya sign out of the factoid factory?16:26
* Pici checks16:26
Piciompaul: no not yet 16:26
ompaulnalioth, his ip joined and quit #ubuntu+1 and -offtopic with r00f and meow as nicks quit by itself  for flooding
* Gary wonders what Seveas is doing...16:33
Seveasplaying games with rodserling16:33
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ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, picard_pwns_kirk said: !white_eagle is a dude that wants a factoid18:10
ompaulPici, he does but he needs to regret it as much as rod does thinking that it would be fun to get nickspoons record18:15
ompaulPici,  something like !white_eagle is white_eagle gets banned for good reason, this was the only factoid hanging around at the time18:16
* ompaul mutters something about perverse18:16
Picilike !white_eagle is <alias> b18:17
ubotub is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.18:17
ompaulohh dear ... that really would not be nice :)18:18
PiciThats Lj.L's canned factoid response when people are being naughty.18:18
ompauldo it 18:18
Pici!white_eagle is <alias> b18:18
ubotuI'll remember that, Pici18:18
Pici!white_eagle-#ubuntu-offtopic is <alias> b18:18
ompaulnext time he shouts he wants a factoid he will have one :)18:18
ompaulPici, there is a fantastic expression, be careful what you ask for.18:19
PiciExactly :)18:19
ompaulI think we can see why now ;-)18:19
GaryI never asked for a damn factoid :'(18:24
jussi01Gary: but you deserved one... :P18:30
ubotuGary is as Gary does, on the other hand four fingers and a thumb!18:30
Garysee, it's naff18:30
ompaulGary, gary is as gary duz18:33
ompaulsee it is better than that18:33
* jussi01 resists the temptation to say bad things about a staffer...18:34
Garygo for it18:34
* Gary warms up the boot18:34
jussi01nah.. too late now18:34
Garycluck cluck18:35
jpatrickI finally banned Crysis18:36
ompauljpatrick, from the off that should have been the situation - continual annoyance of people in the channel other than ops is reason enough18:46
ompauland the defence is that you were asked several times to not do that 18:46
jpatrickompaul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55390/18:47
ompaulit is over the limit to continually annoy people in the channel18:47
ompauljpatrick, I thin k I won't understand it18:47
ompaulI do18:48
Jack_SparrowMorning, I finished the upstreamdev log-modules.. jrib asked if I had "Have you tried adding it into svn trunk of upstream?" At the risk of sounding dum..  I am.. So what does that mean? 19:19
PriceChildJack_Sparrow, you know what svn is right?19:20
Jack_SparrowI have had 5 hours sleep in the last 48.. not sure of my name atm19:21
ubotusvn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/19:21
PriceChild"revision control system" is the important part.19:21
Jack_SparrowWill read thanks19:21
PriceChildits basically the place they store code, making it easy to track people's changes19:21
PriceChildyou need to find out the url for the upstream svn19:21
Jack_Sparrowok... I emailed jrib the code this am and once I can get some sleep I will read up on that.  Thanks for everything19:23
jribJack_Sparrow: 'svn co https://upstream.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/upstream/trunk upstream' will grab you trunk19:33
Jack_Sparrowjrib: Thanks... making note of it now19:33
Jack_Sparrowjrib: cool.. I see some modules I had not done yet.  I grabbed those, If it is a short answer, how do I add or upload mine19:39
jribJack_Sparrow: you'd have to be given commit access19:42
Jack_SparrowHow do I apply?19:42
jribJack_Sparrow: would you be interested in that?19:43
Jack_SparrowYes, I want to help and this is something I think I can do and do well19:43
jribJack_Sparrow: lastnode is the only one that can do it, next time he's on, I'll ask him19:43
nickrudfor some reason I can't get ubotu to parse the following, I'm suggesting it as a factoid:20:41
nickrudgutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates). 20:41
ubotuNOTICE - There is a lot of traffic in this channel at the moment. Please try to keep your sentences into a single message, avoid repeating the same question multiple times, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting, remember to mention the nickname of the person you're addressing, and join #ubuntu-offtopic for anything that is not Ubuntu support. Thank you for understanding!20:46
LjLwrong button20:46
LjLnickrud: it's the ">"s20:46
nickrudLjL: you rang?20:46
LjL!gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).20:46
LjL!gutsysources is test20:47
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL20:47
ompaul!gutsysources is in System-Admin-Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates). 20:47
ubotuBut gutsysources already means something else!20:47
LjL!no gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).20:47
ubotuI'll remember that LjL20:47
ompaul!no gutsysources is in System-Admin-Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates). 20:47
ubotuI'll remember that ompaul20:47
LjLompaul, it works now :)20:47
LjL!no gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).20:47
LjLi was just trying to say20:47
LjLif you put a bogus factoid in it first20:47
LjLand *then* give the real factoid containing ">"s with !no20:47
ompaulLjL, ack20:47
LjLthen it works20:47
ompaulhacking ubotu now from ORA by LjL 20:48
ompaulforward by Seveas20:48
LjLthe bad thing is that people don't get their factoid forwarded to here when this happens20:48
ompaulLjL, bug for ljl20:48
nickrudonly one extra step to put it here. No biggie20:49
LjLnickrud: anyway, bad factoid name imho... perhaps "recommended sources" would be more the concept it is about?20:49
nickrudLjL: I was originally going to call it setsources , but some people still use feisty & earlier, doesn't really apply. Was going to do some research on the others20:49
LjLompaul: (it is filed already)20:49
LjLnickrud: what of it doesn't apply in feisty and earlier?20:50
ubotusource-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.20:50
nickrudLjL: gutsy-security for one20:50
nickrudLjL: and that's why I was creating this one 20:50
nickrudLjL: dapper is totally different I think20:51
nickrudhelping people parse and edit sources.list was one of the things that I hated about early ubuntu's, seveas's source o matic was a godsend20:52
Seveasit was20:52
LjLnickrud: actually though in my gutsy (kubuntu) gutsy-security and gutsy-updates aren't even mentioned as such20:52
Seveasbut with gutsy it's not needed anymore20:52
nickrudstill a lot of feisty's and dappers out there though (hint ;)20:53
LjLnickrud: what i have here is the following, kubuntu gutsy20:53
LjLKubuntu Software tab:20:54
LjLCanonical-supported Open Source software (main)20:54
LjLCommunity-maintained Open Source software (universe)20:54
LjLProprietary drivers for devices (restricted)20:54
LjLSoftware restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse)20:54
LjLUpdates tab:20:54
LjLImportant security updates20:54
LjLRecommended updates20:54
LjLPre-released updates20:54
LjLUnsupposed updates20:54
LjL*and i still stand* that "pre-released updates" *really* REALLY shouldn't be there20:55
LjL(that is proposed)20:55
nickrudljl I agree completely about backports (and don't care for proposed, either. Someone how can test them knows how to edit sources.list20:55
LjLuhm backports actually i don't too much mind, it usually works well20:56
LjLbut for crying out loud, proposed is for packages that need to be *tested* because they may be *broken*20:56
LjLand they've been broken pretty pretty badly in the past20:56
nickrudLjL: you probably should change the factoid to match your kubuntu, it's parseable to ubuntu20:57
LjLalso "unsupported updates" is at least a bit descriptive. "pre-released updates" doesn't mean a thing20:57
nickrudwith maybe a warning about pre-released and unsupported20:58
nickrudJack_Sparrow: happy monday20:58
ompaulnickrud, LjL perhaps an immutable wiki page would be of use or at least one we were all subscribed to here and just say to fix sources do this20:59
ompauland have the mixing things should not be done just because it can be20:59
* LjL still thinks handing a sources.list was easier20:59
ubotunosrednaekim called the ops in #kubuntu ()20:59
Jack_SparrowI just Vista-ized my Ubuntu.. I am one sick tired puppy20:59
ompaulLjL, well if you want to do that do one per release21:00
ompauland leave out things like backports and proposed21:00
ompaulthey can be explained at the foot of the page21:00
ompaulJack_Sparrow, not a great thing to do ;-) we must find something for you to do21:01
Jack_Sparrow50 megs of vista graphics and icons...   Too funny...21:02
nickrudJack_Sparrow: next project: a youtube demonstration of vista on compiz ;)21:02
ompaulJack_Sparrow, and then at the end drop a menu and reinstall ubuntu-desktop21:03
Jack_SparrowWoa.. I just did something I didnt know I could do.. this winow just rolled up like a window shade..21:03
ompaulto the tune of linkin park leave out all the rest - if you get the time right you have "I can't be who you are" as the last couple of lines21:04
ompaulJack_Sparrow, standard X for years21:04
ompauldear me gnome borked that21:05
Jack_SparrowI have never seen it or done it by accident until just now21:05
nickrudwindow shade was one of the draws of enlightenment for me, along with sliding desktops. havoc really castrated window managers21:05
ompaulJack_Sparrow, I use window maker for my desktop in work - and it all our standard office staff do too21:05
* ompaul listens to linkin park21:06
nickrudompaul: you can window shade in gnome though21:06
ompaulnickrud, you can do some mad stuff in windowmaker if you try21:06
ompaulwe have staff doing strange customisations 21:06
ompauland this is the stuff they don't know21:07
nickrudompaul: geek oriented stuff, <CRACK>! 21:07
ompaulnickrud, I work in a property management company21:07
nickrudompaul: so you're teaching people to be geeks. I hope it spreads further21:08
ompaulnickrud, they had window maker when I arrived21:08
ompaulsome of them use kde due to someone before me giving them too much info21:08
nickrudthat's a progressive office. When I started where I am now, some were still running Me21:08
ompaulwhat freaks them out is they mostly don't get that they are using xdmcp so "their computer is down" and the person beside them does not work as woops we got a biggie so why don't we all try to ring paul21:09
ompaulnickrud, best one is email is not working21:10
ompaulehh yes it is21:10
ompaulcan you explain what you mean that email is not working21:10
ompaulohh well the thunderbird icon is grayed out21:10
ompauland I don't have it on the bottom of my screen (minimised)21:10
ompaulso why don't you run "companyname_kill" in a shell ?21:11
ompaulsorry 21:11
ompaulin an xterm21:11
ompaulthey would not know what a shell is21:11
ompaulso they do this and then some of them say this does not work21:11
Jack_SparrowMy accountant is still using novel but is looking for new options.  He needs XP to run his software / workstations .. I just dont do any server stuff.21:11
ompaulcos they did not use the console app to highlight the menu item21:12
ompaulJack_Sparrow, novell - suse?21:12
* ompaul grins21:12
nickrudompaul: sounds complex21:12
Jack_SparrowOnly running a dozen or so stations.21:12
nickrudJack_Sparrow: novell networking? how old is this system?21:12
ompaulnickrud, well you get to kill -9 a highlighted app via regex -- all you have to do is move the arrow to the application and press the space bar21:13
ompaulthen hit enter21:13
Jack_SparrowMost of the hardware is only 2 -3 years old21:13
ompaulspace highlights21:13
ompaulJack_Sparrow, tell him novell have new crack21:13
ompaulthen say you got the cheap version of it - same functionality 21:13
Jack_SparrowRunning novel 6 atm..  dual raid backup/mirrors, tape backup and off-site daily backups..  paranoid21:14
nickrudfor an accountant, prudent21:14
Jack_SparrowWould suse be any easier to maintain?21:15
ompaulamanda with tapebackup && fibre network -->> bacula 21:15
ompaultapes have feelings too and they die on me every couple of months21:16
Jack_SparrowI didnt know if I should refer hin to canonical (sp)21:16
ompaulso I have a policy of renewing tapes of 20/25 uses21:16
Jack_Sparrowtapes dont seem as good or long lasting as they used to be21:17
ompauleven I get one failure every couple of months 21:17
ompaulif I did not have offsite disks21:17
ompaulI would have been scared when the tapes failed at the end of the 5/ six month cycle21:18
ompaulJack_Sparrow, have you ever seen the tao of backups?21:18
ompaulit might just apply :)21:19
Jack_SparrowFor my old office, I had one for each day of week, one for each week, and one for each month.  Replaced them all every year21:20
ompaulyou need more than that21:21
jussi01grr, stupid bot of mine... any of you bot experts around?21:21
LjLnickrud, ompaul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources - feel free to add ;)21:21
nickrudLjL: add Ubuntu to that heading, it's directly comparable21:23
ompaulLjL, I had something different in mind21:23
ompaulLjL, I'll do it in a couple of mins when I have found what I want to give to Jack_Sparrow 21:23
LjLompaul, i hope you don't have !sources in mind, because that exists already ;)21:24
LjLand is a tad too verbose for just telling people what they should enable and disable to get a sane configuration21:24
ompaulthen they should be linked21:24
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components21:24
Jack_SparrowThat is very cool, thanks for the link..  And I am enlightened...21:24
ompaulJack_Sparrow, hang on21:25
ompaulI need to find something for you 21:25
jussi01anyone got any idea why I cant get my ubotu clone to add factoids?21:25
ompaulnot logged onto it?21:25
jussi01hmmm, no... its telling me it isnt intelligent...21:26
jussi01ompaul: if you are interested /join #dib5sn21:26
ompaulthen there is syntax error in the factoid21:26
LjL!no repos is <reply> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories21:27
ubotuI'll remember that LjL21:27
ompaulLjL, that is nearly a book should we refer them to a single page with that info on it21:28
ompaullike 21:28
ompaulYou are referred here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources because you have indicated a problem this page addresses21:29
ompaulon that page you have the other stuff21:29
Seveasit's not too much yet21:30
Jack_Sparrowompaul: Am I still waiting for something?21:33
ompaulJack_Sparrow, yes21:33
ompaulI can't find it21:33
Jack_SparrowI will be around..21:33
ompaulJack_Sparrow, if I get it I will let you know21:34
Jack_Sparrowno worries21:34
LjLanyway this software sources thing isn't even working21:35
LjLit just removed (not commented out, removed) my backports line and didn't add it back when told so21:35
LjLand why if something is called "backports" everywhere on the wiki, it should be called "unsupported updates" in there without a mention of backports21:36
LjLsame for updates, security and proposed21:36
jussi01Seveas: have you got a moment or 2 for a some of my own bot issues? 21:37
jussi01ok, Ill catch you some other time :)21:38
ompaulJack_Sparrow, http://www.novastor.com/tech_supt/strategy.html have a look at that - it might give you ideas I can't see the one I favour (not the one I inherited - so therefore use - as I said - in the other case I actually have offsite disks the tapes are cos I have a couple of k invested in tape drives)21:40
jussi01!kde4support is <reply> Information and support for KDE 4 can be found in #kubuntu-kde421:48
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, jussi01 said: !kde4support is <reply> Information and support for KDE 4 can be found in #kubuntu-kde421:49
LjLjussi01: what's wrong with !kde4?21:50
ubotuKDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde421:50
jussi01LjL: its long, clunky and annoying if you just want to convey that 1 peice of info21:50
LjLwe don't have separate "support" factoids for kubuntu, compiz, whatnot21:51
LjLwe just have a factoid about them mentioning the main web sites, and the support channel21:51
jussi01for people who obviously know what kde4 is, and are using it, but come to #kubuntu to ask for support- you suggest we give them that huge factoid?21:52
LjLuhm, yes?21:52
LjLmost people who ask about compiz know what it is and are possibly using it21:52
LjLyet we always gave them the huge factoid pointing at #ubuntu-effects / #compiz-fusion21:53
PiciWe dont have separate -support factoids for everything. 21:53
LjLif channel spam is a concern, never forget there is the > syntax (which too many overlook)21:53
ompaulLjL, and as soon as you do that someone does21:53
jussi01LjL: ok. I was just suggesting something that made sense to me :)21:53
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots21:53
LjLompaul: most of the time they do !factoid > myself21:54
Piciompaul: I hate that.21:54
LjLanyway, so let's stop doing anything just because people are idiots21:54
PiciI've been seeing it a lot lately.21:54
ompaulLjL, it was what why I was proposing to make a page a url 21:54
PiciAlong with !paste, right after the floodbot tells someone where the pastebin is.21:54
LjLompaul: for each factoid we have, sure21:55
ompaulsorry a factoid a url -> please see this:   one url and then the rest can be fed from there21:55
LjLalso what matters mostly is the *number of lines*, not the length of a line21:55
ompaulwell I guess most people here have full screen or near enough full screen irc clients - but we are the exception not the rule21:56
LjLompaul: that can work but it's totally opposite to what we've always done. it's the way they do it on #ubuntu-it, the bot just has urls. but that means the wiki people are also aware that the wiki is used in that way21:56
ompaulLjL, well we used to with the old ubotu have really long factoids but I went on a mission to clean them up and add the urls to web pages 21:57
LjLand i'm strongly opposed to wasting everything we have in the bot to move to a wiki-based approach (yes, waste, because it's hardly a matter of copying and pasting the factoids - different medium works different way)21:57
ompaullet me see if I can change your mind ;-) I'll do a little research and come back soon21:57
LjLlook why do we need a bot in the first place?21:58
LjLwiki pages can have short and meaningful names21:58
LjLso just tell people "wiki ThisThing"21:58
LjLand no i'm not seriously proposing this21:59
Jack_SparrowI was using a modified grandfather-father son..  The wife burns a dvd of data for every day and full system each week and one before closing each month and one after cloasing each month, all stored off site Thanks for the link.  I  personally restore and verify her systems each month. (Dental office) 22:05
ompaulJack_Sparrow, ack22:08
Jack_SparrowThey have it down to a science.  Just click an icon and walk away while they shut down the compressors and lab etc22:09
Jack_SparrowI have another stupid question ..A user in channel wanted a timeclock for employees.  I found several for him, but all are php ... I have never messed with php or myphpadmin etc.. Any tutorials that I can send him?22:15
PriceChildwoop woop, half a day off half a million registrations on the forums... somewhere... a hobbsee is squirming22:20
ompaulPriceChild, that is not nice22:28
ompaulno gloating22:28
ompaulPriceChild, and how many are "active" i.e. log on or have asked a question since gutsy went live?22:29
PriceChildNo idea... can't remember what it was last time he gave stats22:31
PriceChildI think its over 40% after 40 days... but that could just be completeley made up.22:32
PriceChildThere's also normally 10 times as many "guests" as logged in users at any one time.22:32

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