[00:27] <jussi01> !kde4
[00:27] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[00:28] <jussi01> !-kde4
[00:28] <ubotu> kde4 aliases: kde 4 - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 20:48:00
[00:28] <jussi01> thanks to whoever fixed that :)
[00:47] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-us-az, soldats said: !no ym is <reply> your mom!
[00:51] <PriceChild> or not
[00:52] <LjL> that's when i usually send !b but i don't feel like starting fights tonight
[00:54] <jussi01> lol, didnt know that one existed
[00:54] <jussi01> !b
[00:54] <ubotu> b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: I dont care for the nick ihatewhitewomen....
[02:02] <Jack_Sparrow> very racist
[02:03] <LjL> agreed
[02:03] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks
[02:03] <Pici> heh
[02:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Stuff You Ops.. isnt much better
[02:05] <LjL> deep breath time
[02:05] <LjL> you didn't breathe deep enough price
[02:05] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[02:06] <Pici> I kinda liked stfuops
[02:07] <LjL> also, i don't think that meant "stuff you"
[02:07] <Jack_Sparrow> After his first one..it was just a bit suspect
[02:07] <LjL> suspect, for sure
[02:07] <PriceChild> sorry
[02:08] <LjL> PriceChild: no need to be, you like queries with trolls, we don't understand you but we respect you anyway :P
[02:13] <ubotu> In ubotu, greatman1 said: what is the best and smartest torrent program? like scam bandwidth etc? :D thank you
[02:13] <Pici> ...
[02:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell greatman1 about bot
[02:16]  * jdong looks around nervously
[02:17] <jdong> oh. duh.
[02:17]  * Pici blinks
[02:17] <jdong> Pici: playing around with launchers.
[02:17] <Pici> jdong: ah.
[02:17] <LjL> jdong: one of you is enough ktnx
[02:30] <LjL> !no identify is <reply> You can identify automatically by using your NickServ password as the server password in your IRC client. When identifying manually, do NOT send the command from a channel's tab, or a typo may give away your password. If that happened, type « /msg NickServ set password <new-password> » in the server tab as soon as possible.
[02:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[02:30]  * jussi01 is still awake for some unknown reason
[02:30] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[02:30] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: February 09 2008, 04:30:51 - Next meeting: Kubuntu Developers in 8 hours 29 minutes
[02:39] <J-_> LjL: Why was I kicked from -offtopic?
[02:39] <J-_> I didn't do anything
[02:39]  * Pici looks for a spare sense of humor for J-_ 
[02:39] <LjL> J-_: exactly
[02:39] <J-_> bleh
 anyone know if you need to give the keyphrase every time you reboot if you setup ubuntu with the encrypted LVM option?
 No, in /init, premount() add echo "your_passphrase_here" | mount....
[03:11]  * jdong hides
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> "socially awkward and jobless" eh elkbuntu?  Nah, never heard of such folk around here.  ;)
[06:53] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Genius16)
[09:13] <ubotu> Lynoure called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[10:06] <jussi01> morning all
[10:06] <jussi01> anyone awake?
[10:07] <jussi01> Hobbsee: hello again :D
[10:15] <Hobbsee> heya jussi01 
[10:21] <jussi01> Hobbsee: quick question: how does one deal with: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:21] <jussi01> correctly?
[10:22]  * Hobbsee looks
[10:22] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you call !staff when you see the mass join
[10:23] <Hobbsee> if they're from the same IP like that, you can also quiet the IP
[10:23] <Hobbsee> usually they aren't, so it's quicker to wait for a staffer to deal with it
[10:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah, ok. what should be done now for #kubuntu? (it doesnt look like anyone has actioned anything for them)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> jussi01: did a staffer kline the IP?
[10:25] <jussi01> Hobbsee: just checking that. 
[10:27] <jussi01> Hobbsee: doesnt look like it
[10:29] <Hobbsee> jussi01: you should probably ask nalioth, or another alive one to, then
[10:29]  * Hobbsee doesn't see anyone on there thought
[10:29] <Hobbsee> 0t
[10:29] <Hobbsee> -t
[10:29] <jpatrick> jussi01: yeah, crap like that happenes every once in a while
[10:29] <jussi01> Hobbsee: would it be correct to call !staff now?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i think so
[10:30] <jpatrick> if it hasn't been klined: !staff | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:30]  * Hobbsee doubts there are kliners around at this time of day
[10:31] <jpatrick> jussi01: btw, check out annma's hostname ;-)
[10:32] <jussi01> jpatrick: ROFL oops
[10:33] <jussi01> jpatrick: seenserv just says client quit, which is what nalioth told me to do to check. :)
[10:34] <jussi01> !staff | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:34] <ubotu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[10:34] <jpatrick> jussi01: not klined then
[10:34] <jussi01> we can try...
[10:35] <jpatrick> jussi01: you should know better: http://behindkde.org/people/annma/
[10:36] <jussi01> jpatrick: yeah, I should... but I just got up, so go away and leave me alone...
[10:36]  * jussi01 cries in the corner
[10:36]  * jpatrick hugs jussi01 
[10:37] <jpatrick> damn, that interview's 7 years old
[10:38] <jpatrick> hey Gary 
[10:38] <jussi01> Gary: just the guy we wanted to see
[10:38] <jussi01> :D
[10:38] <jpatrick> jussi01 was tracking you down earlier http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55325/
[10:39] <jussi01> hehe, he comes in and we mob him :P
[10:39] <Gary> what have I done now :p
[10:40] <Gary> did you ban @203186060211.ctinets.com
[10:40] <Hobbsee> gah
[10:40] <jpatrick> ...
[10:40] <jussi01> Gary: I havent done anything yet - I came in after the fact
[10:40] <jpatrick> hahahah
[10:40] <Hobbsee> forgot the colon.
[10:41] <Gary> okay ...
[10:42] <jpatrick> right ...
[10:44] <jussi01> good morning elkbuntu 
[10:44] <elkbuntu> good evening jussi01
[11:53] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu-motu (Georgex96j15qi4g)
[11:53] <jpatrick> HELPP
[11:57] <jpatrick> oh god, they just hit #kde-devel
[11:57] <Hobbsee> !staff
[11:57] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[11:57] <Gary> should be blocked now
[11:58] <Hobbsee> thanks
[11:58] <Hobbsee> Gary: you got the original address?
[12:04] <jpatrick> Michaelu18y20iw3 in -meeting
[12:04] <ubotu> pochu called the ops in #ubuntu-devel ()
[12:05] <jpatrick> HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPP! 
[12:05] <jpatrick> tomaw: good shooting
[12:05] <jpatrick> tomaw: can you help us in #kde-devel?
[12:13] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu-meeting (Kylec53n19oj2c4)
[12:16] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: there's too many of them
[12:16] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: the staffers are hitting them off
[12:17] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'm starting to freak at every nick$randomNumber
[12:18] <jpatrick> seanw: hey
[12:19] <seanw> lo :)
[12:19] <jpatrick> here come the calvary
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yay, more staff
[12:21] <seanw> heh
[12:21] <seanw> My client needs to sync first.
[12:22] <jpatrick> GOD, I hate things like asdfgfdsa_ [n=yxcvbn@e177079030.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu
[12:23] <Jack_Sparrow> HAd those in ub yesterday
[12:26] <jpatrick> no0tic: don't you just love that autocmd? :)
[14:15] <LjL> ompaul that ban won't work
[14:15] <ompaul> LjL, ahh 
[14:15] <ompaul> LjL, too big an isp?
[14:16] <LjL> ompaul: no, it's that you banned an invalid ident
[14:16] <LjL> *!luca*@213-140-6* <- the n= is missing
[14:16] <ompaul> arack
[14:16] <ompaul> thanks
[14:17] <LjL> the ban i set up is weird but should work - i should know, it's my isp ;)
[14:18] <ompaul> okay
[14:18] <ompaul> don't loose your freenode password :)
[14:18] <LjL> heh it's not my host though
[14:18] <LjL> i'm more like 81.208
[14:19] <ompaul> ack
[14:19] <ompaul> don't move ;-0
[14:20]  * Seveas moves LjL 
[14:21] <ompaul> in ways we shall not speak of ...
[14:21]  * ompaul tries to hide 
[14:21] <ompaul> those bf #whereever are well they are what they are
[14:22] <Seveas> @lart ompaul 
[14:22] <ompaul> lagometer
[14:22] <ompaul> Seveas, what happens if you try to lart yourself?
[14:22] <Seveas> ubotu blows up
[14:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blows up - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:24] <ompaul> hmmmm
[14:33] <LjL> i have to obey my master... but i cannot lart my master... my my master asks me to... but i cannot lart my master...
[14:34] <LjL> dennis, there is a fault in the external antenna
[14:34] <LjL> i think you need to go out to fix it dennis
[14:46] <Seveas> I cannot let you do that HaLjL
[14:56]  * jussi01 walks in...
[14:57] <jussi01> everyone shhh... shes sleeping so I can be on here ;)
[15:12] <jussi01> heya PriceChild 
[15:12] <PriceChild> Hey there.
[15:15] <ompaul> !staff 
[15:15] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:15] <ompaul> * [M8]Spichka_ (n=Wermut@212.98.167.194) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "can't be having that")
[15:15] <ompaul> * ompaul sets ban on *!*@212.98.167.194
[15:15] <ompaul> serial also hit #gentoo
[15:19] <jpatrick> ompaul: what was that?
[15:19] <jpatrick> LjL: you there?
[15:19] <ompaul> foul mouthed idiot and spammer 
[15:20] <jpatrick> LjL: #u-es: 09:21 < Crysis> como instalo ubuntu?
[15:20] <ompaul> crysis mmm nice nick 
[15:20] <jpatrick> aka evsa
[15:20] <ompaul> haha
[15:20] <ompaul> okay 
[15:20] <ompaul> killed by death
[16:24] <Seveas> !staff
[16:24] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[16:24] <Seveas> !ops
[16:24] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici or Jack_Sparrow!
[16:24] <Seveas> --> puika (n=kotu@87.110.54.118) has joined #ubuntu
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[16:24] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[16:24] <nalioth> whoa.
[16:25] <nalioth> whats up?
[16:25] <Seveas> spammer :)
[16:25] <ompaul> ex spammer
[16:25] <Pici> !opabuse
[16:25] <ubotu> Leave the ops alone!
[16:26] <Gary> Seveas, sorted
[16:26] <Dave2> K:lied.
[16:26] <Dave2> er, lined
[16:26] <ompaul> Pici, did ya sign out of the factoid factory?
[16:26] <Seveas> gracias
[16:26]  * Pici checks
[16:26] <Pici> ompaul: no not yet 
[16:26] <ompaul> :)
[16:30] <ompaul> nalioth, his ip joined and quit #ubuntu+1 and -offtopic with r00f and meow as nicks quit by itself  for flooding  84.237.133.224
[16:31] <ompaul> s/his/this
[16:33]  * Gary wonders what Seveas is doing...
[16:33] <Seveas> playing games with rodserling
[18:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, picard_pwns_kirk said: !white_eagle is a dude that wants a factoid
[18:10] <Pici> negative.
[18:15] <ompaul> Pici, he does but he needs to regret it as much as rod does thinking that it would be fun to get nickspoons record
[18:16] <ompaul> Pici,  something like !white_eagle is white_eagle gets banned for good reason, this was the only factoid hanging around at the time
[18:16]  * ompaul mutters something about perverse
[18:17] <Pici> like !white_eagle is <alias> b
[18:17] <ompaul> !b
[18:17] <ubotu> b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[18:17] <ompaul> hahaha
[18:17] <ompaul> hehehehe
[18:17] <ompaul> muhehehehehehe
[18:18] <ompaul> ohh dear ... that really would not be nice :)
[18:18] <Gary> mwhahaha
[18:18] <Pici> Thats Lj.L's canned factoid response when people are being naughty.
[18:18] <ompaul> do it 
[18:18] <Pici> !white_eagle is <alias> b
[18:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[18:18] <Pici> !white_eagle-#ubuntu-offtopic is <alias> b
[18:18] <ompaul> next time he shouts he wants a factoid he will have one :)
[18:19] <ompaul> Pici, there is a fantastic expression, be careful what you ask for.
[18:19] <Pici> Exactly :)
[18:19] <ompaul> I think we can see why now ;-)
[18:24] <Gary> I never asked for a damn factoid :'(
[18:30] <jussi01> Gary: but you deserved one... :P
[18:30] <jussi01> !gary
[18:30] <ubotu> Gary is as Gary does, on the other hand four fingers and a thumb!
[18:30] <Gary> see, it's naff
[18:33] <ompaul> Gary, gary is as gary duz
[18:33] <ompaul> see it is better than that
[18:34]  * jussi01 resists the temptation to say bad things about a staffer...
[18:34] <Gary> go for it
[18:34]  * Gary warms up the boot
[18:34] <jussi01> nah.. too late now
[18:35] <Gary> cluck cluck
[18:35] <Gary> chicken
[18:36] <jpatrick> YES!!
[18:36] <jpatrick> I finally banned Crysis
[18:46] <ompaul> jpatrick, from the off that should have been the situation - continual annoyance of people in the channel other than ops is reason enough
[18:46] <ompaul> and the defence is that you were asked several times to not do that 
[18:47] <jpatrick> ompaul: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55390/
[18:47] <ompaul> it is over the limit to continually annoy people in the channel
[18:47] <ompaul> jpatrick, I thin k I won't understand it
[18:48] <ompaul> I do
[19:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning, I finished the upstreamdev log-modules.. jrib asked if I had "Have you tried adding it into svn trunk of upstream?" At the risk of sounding dum..  I am.. So what does that mean? 
[19:20] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow, you know what svn is right?
[19:21] <Jack_Sparrow> I have had 5 hours sleep in the last 48.. not sure of my name atm
[19:21] <PriceChild> !svn
[19:21] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[19:21] <PriceChild> "revision control system" is the important part.
[19:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Will read thanks
[19:21] <PriceChild> its basically the place they store code, making it easy to track people's changes
[19:21] <PriceChild> you need to find out the url for the upstream svn
[19:23] <Jack_Sparrow> ok... I emailed jrib the code this am and once I can get some sleep I will read up on that.  Thanks for everything
[19:33] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: 'svn co https://upstream.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/upstream/trunk upstream' will grab you trunk
[19:33] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: Thanks... making note of it now
[19:39] <Jack_Sparrow> jrib: cool.. I see some modules I had not done yet.  I grabbed those, If it is a short answer, how do I add or upload mine
[19:42] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: you'd have to be given commit access
[19:42] <Jack_Sparrow> How do I apply?
[19:43] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: would you be interested in that?
[19:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, I want to help and this is something I think I can do and do well
[19:43] <jrib> Jack_Sparrow: lastnode is the only one that can do it, next time he's on, I'll ask him
[19:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks
[20:41] <nickrud> for some reason I can't get ubotu to parse the following, I'm suggesting it as a factoid:
[20:41] <nickrud> gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates). 
[20:46] <LjL> !traffic
[20:46] <ubotu> NOTICE - There is a lot of traffic in this channel at the moment. Please try to keep your sentences into a single message, avoid repeating the same question multiple times, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting, remember to mention the nickname of the person you're addressing, and join #ubuntu-offtopic for anything that is not Ubuntu support. Thank you for understanding!
[20:46] <LjL> whops
[20:46] <LjL> wrong button
[20:46] <LjL> nickrud: it's the ">"s
[20:46] <nickrud> LjL: you rang?
[20:46] <nickrud> ah,
[20:46] <LjL> !gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <LjL> !gutsysources is test
[20:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[20:47] <ompaul> !gutsysources is in System-Admin-Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates). 
[20:47] <ubotu> But gutsysources already means something else!
[20:47] <LjL> !no gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[20:47] <ompaul> !no gutsysources is in System-Admin-Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates). 
[20:47] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[20:47] <LjL> ompaul, it works now :)
[20:47] <LjL> !no gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[20:47] <LjL> i was just trying to say
[20:47] <LjL> if you put a bogus factoid in it first
[20:47] <LjL> and *then* give the real factoid containing ">"s with !no
[20:47] <ompaul> LjL, ack
[20:47] <LjL> then it works
[20:47] <nickrud> hacks!
[20:48] <ompaul> hacking ubotu now from ORA by LjL 
[20:48] <ompaul> forward by Seveas
[20:48] <LjL> the bad thing is that people don't get their factoid forwarded to here when this happens
[20:48] <ompaul> LjL, bug for ljl
[20:49] <nickrud> only one extra step to put it here. No biggie
[20:49] <LjL> nickrud: anyway, bad factoid name imho... perhaps "recommended sources" would be more the concept it is about?
[20:49] <nickrud> LjL: I was originally going to call it setsources , but some people still use feisty & earlier, doesn't really apply. Was going to do some research on the others
[20:49] <LjL> ompaul: (it is filed already)
[20:50] <LjL> nickrud: what of it doesn't apply in feisty and earlier?
[20:50] <LjL> !source-o-matic
[20:50] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[20:50] <nickrud> LjL: gutsy-security for one
[20:50] <nickrud> LjL: and that's why I was creating this one 
[20:51] <nickrud> LjL: dapper is totally different I think
[20:52] <nickrud> helping people parse and edit sources.list was one of the things that I hated about early ubuntu's, seveas's source o matic was a godsend
[20:52] <Seveas> it was
[20:52] <LjL> nickrud: actually though in my gutsy (kubuntu) gutsy-security and gutsy-updates aren't even mentioned as such
[20:52] <Seveas> but with gutsy it's not needed anymore
[20:53] <nickrud> still a lot of feisty's and dappers out there though (hint ;)
[20:53] <LjL> nickrud: what i have here is the following, kubuntu gutsy
[20:54] <LjL> Kubuntu Software tab:
[20:54] <LjL> Canonical-supported Open Source software (main)
[20:54] <LjL> Community-maintained Open Source software (universe)
[20:54] <LjL> Proprietary drivers for devices (restricted)
[20:54] <LjL> Software restricted by copyright or legal issues (multiverse)
[20:54] <LjL> Updates tab:
[20:54] <LjL> Important security updates
[20:54] <LjL> Recommended updates
[20:54] <LjL> Pre-released updates
[20:54] <LjL> Unsupposed updates
[20:55] <LjL> *and i still stand* that "pre-released updates" *really* REALLY shouldn't be there
[20:55] <LjL> (that is proposed)
[20:55] <nickrud> ljl I agree completely about backports (and don't care for proposed, either. Someone how can test them knows how to edit sources.list
[20:56] <LjL> uhm backports actually i don't too much mind, it usually works well
[20:56] <LjL> but for crying out loud, proposed is for packages that need to be *tested* because they may be *broken*
[20:56] <LjL> and they've been broken pretty pretty badly in the past
[20:57] <nickrud> LjL: you probably should change the factoid to match your kubuntu, it's parseable to ubuntu
[20:57] <LjL> also "unsupported updates" is at least a bit descriptive. "pre-released updates" doesn't mean a thing
[20:58] <nickrud> with maybe a warning about pre-released and unsupported
[20:58] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: happy monday
[20:58] <Jack_Sparrow> OH..
[20:59] <ompaul> nickrud, LjL perhaps an immutable wiki page would be of use or at least one we were all subscribed to here and just say to fix sources do this
[20:59] <ompaul> and have the mixing things should not be done just because it can be
[20:59]  * LjL still thinks handing a sources.list was easier
[20:59] <ubotu> nosrednaekim called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[20:59] <Jack_Sparrow> I just Vista-ized my Ubuntu.. I am one sick tired puppy
[21:00] <ompaul> LjL, well if you want to do that do one per release
[21:00] <ompaul> and leave out things like backports and proposed
[21:00] <ompaul> they can be explained at the foot of the page
[21:01] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, not a great thing to do ;-) we must find something for you to do
[21:02] <Jack_Sparrow> 50 megs of vista graphics and icons...   Too funny...
[21:02] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: next project: a youtube demonstration of vista on compiz ;)
[21:03] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, and then at the end drop a menu and reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[21:03] <Jack_Sparrow> Woa.. I just did something I didnt know I could do.. this winow just rolled up like a window shade..
[21:04] <ompaul> to the tune of linkin park leave out all the rest - if you get the time right you have "I can't be who you are" as the last couple of lines
[21:04] <nickrud> rflol
[21:04] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, standard X for years
[21:05] <ompaul> dear me gnome borked that
[21:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I have never seen it or done it by accident until just now
[21:05] <nickrud> window shade was one of the draws of enlightenment for me, along with sliding desktops. havoc really castrated window managers
[21:05] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, I use window maker for my desktop in work - and it all our standard office staff do too
[21:06]  * ompaul listens to linkin park
[21:06] <nickrud> ompaul: you can window shade in gnome though
[21:06] <ompaul> nickrud, you can do some mad stuff in windowmaker if you try
[21:06] <ompaul> we have staff doing strange customisations 
[21:07] <ompaul> and this is the stuff they don't know
[21:07] <nickrud> ompaul: geek oriented stuff, <CRACK>! 
[21:07] <ompaul> nickrud, I work in a property management company
[21:08] <nickrud> ompaul: so you're teaching people to be geeks. I hope it spreads further
[21:08] <ompaul> nickrud, they had window maker when I arrived
[21:08] <ompaul> some of them use kde due to someone before me giving them too much info
[21:08] <nickrud> that's a progressive office. When I started where I am now, some were still running Me
[21:09] <ompaul> what freaks them out is they mostly don't get that they are using xdmcp so "their computer is down" and the person beside them does not work as woops we got a biggie so why don't we all try to ring paul
[21:10] <ompaul> nickrud, best one is email is not working
[21:10] <ompaul> ehh yes it is
[21:10] <ompaul> can you explain what you mean that email is not working
[21:10] <ompaul> ohh well the thunderbird icon is grayed out
[21:10] <ompaul> and I don't have it on the bottom of my screen (minimised)
[21:11] <ompaul> so why don't you run "companyname_kill" in a shell ?
[21:11] <ompaul> sorry 
[21:11] <ompaul> in an xterm
[21:11] <ompaul> they would not know what a shell is
[21:11] <ompaul> so they do this and then some of them say this does not work
[21:11] <Jack_Sparrow> My accountant is still using novel but is looking for new options.  He needs XP to run his software / workstations .. I just dont do any server stuff.
[21:12] <ompaul> cos they did not use the console app to highlight the menu item
[21:12] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, novell - suse?
[21:12]  * ompaul grins
[21:12] <nickrud> ompaul: sounds complex
[21:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Only running a dozen or so stations.
[21:12] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: novell networking? how old is this system?
[21:13] <ompaul> nickrud, well you get to kill -9 a highlighted app via regex -- all you have to do is move the arrow to the application and press the space bar
[21:13] <ompaul> then hit enter
[21:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Most of the hardware is only 2 -3 years old
[21:13] <ompaul> space highlights
[21:13] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, tell him novell have new crack
[21:13] <ompaul> then say you got the cheap version of it - same functionality 
[21:14] <Jack_Sparrow> Running novel 6 atm..  dual raid backup/mirrors, tape backup and off-site daily backups..  paranoid
[21:14] <nickrud> for an accountant, prudent
[21:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Would suse be any easier to maintain?
[21:15] <ompaul> amanda with tapebackup && fibre network -->> bacula 
[21:16] <ompaul> tapes have feelings too and they die on me every couple of months
[21:16] <Jack_Sparrow> I didnt know if I should refer hin to canonical (sp)
[21:16] <ompaul> so I have a policy of renewing tapes of 20/25 uses
[21:17] <Jack_Sparrow> tapes dont seem as good or long lasting as they used to be
[21:17] <ompaul> even I get one failure every couple of months 
[21:17] <ompaul> if I did not have offsite disks
[21:18] <ompaul> I would have been scared when the tapes failed at the end of the 5/ six month cycle
[21:18] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, have you ever seen the tao of backups?
[21:19] <Jack_Sparrow> no
[21:19] <ompaul> http://www.taobackup.com/
[21:19] <ompaul> it might just apply :)
[21:20] <Jack_Sparrow> For my old office, I had one for each day of week, one for each week, and one for each month.  Replaced them all every year
[21:21] <ompaul> you need more than that
[21:21] <jussi01> grr, stupid bot of mine... any of you bot experts around?
[21:21] <LjL> nickrud, ompaul: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources - feel free to add ;)
[21:23] <nickrud> LjL: add Ubuntu to that heading, it's directly comparable
[21:23] <ompaul> LjL, I had something different in mind
[21:23] <ompaul> LjL, I'll do it in a couple of mins when I have found what I want to give to Jack_Sparrow 
[21:24] <LjL> ompaul, i hope you don't have !sources in mind, because that exists already ;)
[21:24] <LjL> and is a tad too verbose for just telling people what they should enable and disable to get a sane configuration
[21:24] <ompaul> then they should be linked
[21:24] <ompaul> !sources
[21:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[21:24] <ompaul> yeap
[21:24] <Jack_Sparrow> That is very cool, thanks for the link..  And I am enlightened...
[21:25] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, hang on
[21:25] <ompaul> I need to find something for you 
[21:25] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[21:25] <jussi01> anyone got any idea why I cant get my ubotu clone to add factoids?
[21:25] <ompaul> not logged onto it?
[21:26] <jussi01> hmmm, no... its telling me it isnt intelligent...
[21:26] <jussi01> ompaul: if you are interested /join #dib5sn
[21:26] <ompaul> then there is syntax error in the factoid
[21:27] <LjL> !no repos is <reply> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[21:27] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[21:28] <ompaul> LjL, that is nearly a book should we refer them to a single page with that info on it
[21:28] <ompaul> like 
[21:29] <ompaul> You are referred here : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources because you have indicated a problem this page addresses
[21:29] <ompaul> on that page you have the other stuff
[21:30] <Seveas> -1
[21:30] <Seveas> it's not too much yet
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> ompaul: Am I still waiting for something?
[21:33] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, yes
[21:33] <ompaul> I can't find it
[21:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I will be around..
[21:34] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, if I get it I will let you know
[21:34] <Jack_Sparrow> no worries
[21:35] <LjL> anyway this software sources thing isn't even working
[21:35] <LjL> it just removed (not commented out, removed) my backports line and didn't add it back when told so
[21:36] <LjL> and why if something is called "backports" everywhere on the wiki, it should be called "unsupported updates" in there without a mention of backports
[21:36] <LjL> same for updates, security and proposed
[21:37] <jussi01> Seveas: have you got a moment or 2 for a some of my own bot issues? 
[21:37] <Seveas> no
[21:38] <jussi01> ok, Ill catch you some other time :)
[21:40] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, http://www.novastor.com/tech_supt/strategy.html have a look at that - it might give you ideas I can't see the one I favour (not the one I inherited - so therefore use - as I said - in the other case I actually have offsite disks the tapes are cos I have a couple of k invested in tape drives)
[21:48] <jussi01> !kde4support is <reply> Information and support for KDE 4 can be found in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:49] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jussi01 said: !kde4support is <reply> Information and support for KDE 4 can be found in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:50] <LjL> jussi01: what's wrong with !kde4?
[21:50] <ompaul> !kde4
[21:50] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:50] <jussi01> LjL: its long, clunky and annoying if you just want to convey that 1 peice of info
[21:51] <LjL> disagree
[21:51] <LjL> we don't have separate "support" factoids for kubuntu, compiz, whatnot
[21:51] <LjL> we just have a factoid about them mentioning the main web sites, and the support channel
[21:52] <jussi01> for people who obviously know what kde4 is, and are using it, but come to #kubuntu to ask for support- you suggest we give them that huge factoid?
[21:52] <LjL> uhm, yes?
[21:52] <jussi01> ok
[21:52] <LjL> most people who ask about compiz know what it is and are possibly using it
[21:53] <LjL> yet we always gave them the huge factoid pointing at #ubuntu-effects / #compiz-fusion
[21:53] <Pici> We dont have separate -support factoids for everything. 
[21:53] <LjL> if channel spam is a concern, never forget there is the > syntax (which too many overlook)
[21:53] <ompaul> LjL, and as soon as you do that someone does
[21:53] <jussi01> LjL: ok. I was just suggesting something that made sense to me :)
[21:53] <ompaul> !factoid
[21:53] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:54] <LjL> ompaul: most of the time they do !factoid > myself
[21:54] <Pici> ompaul: I hate that.
[21:54] <LjL> anyway, so let's stop doing anything just because people are idiots
[21:54] <Pici> I've been seeing it a lot lately.
[21:54] <ompaul> LjL, it was what why I was proposing to make a page a url 
[21:54] <Pici> Along with !paste, right after the floodbot tells someone where the pastebin is.
[21:55] <LjL> ompaul: for each factoid we have, sure
[21:55] <ompaul> sorry a factoid a url -> please see this:   one url and then the rest can be fed from there
[21:55] <LjL> also what matters mostly is the *number of lines*, not the length of a line
[21:56] <ompaul> well I guess most people here have full screen or near enough full screen irc clients - but we are the exception not the rule
[21:56] <LjL> ompaul: that can work but it's totally opposite to what we've always done. it's the way they do it on #ubuntu-it, the bot just has urls. but that means the wiki people are also aware that the wiki is used in that way
[21:57] <ompaul> LjL, well we used to with the old ubotu have really long factoids but I went on a mission to clean them up and add the urls to web pages 
[21:57] <LjL> and i'm strongly opposed to wasting everything we have in the bot to move to a wiki-based approach (yes, waste, because it's hardly a matter of copying and pasting the factoids - different medium works different way)
[21:57] <ompaul> let me see if I can change your mind ;-) I'll do a little research and come back soon
[21:58] <LjL> look why do we need a bot in the first place?
[21:58] <LjL> wiki pages can have short and meaningful names
[21:58] <LjL> so just tell people "wiki ThisThing"
[21:59] <LjL> and no i'm not seriously proposing this
[22:05] <Jack_Sparrow> I was using a modified grandfather-father son..  The wife burns a dvd of data for every day and full system each week and one before closing each month and one after cloasing each month, all stored off site Thanks for the link.  I  personally restore and verify her systems each month. (Dental office) 
[22:08] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, ack
[22:09] <Jack_Sparrow> They have it down to a science.  Just click an icon and walk away while they shut down the compressors and lab etc
[22:10] <ompaul> hehe
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> I have another stupid question ..A user in channel wanted a timeclock for employees.  I found several for him, but all are php ... I have never messed with php or myphpadmin etc.. Any tutorials that I can send him?
[22:20] <PriceChild> woop woop, half a day off half a million registrations on the forums... somewhere... a hobbsee is squirming
[22:28] <ompaul> PriceChild, that is not nice
[22:28] <ompaul> no gloating
[22:29] <ompaul> PriceChild, and how many are "active" i.e. log on or have asked a question since gutsy went live?
[22:31] <PriceChild> No idea... can't remember what it was last time he gave stats
[22:32] <PriceChild> I think its over 40% after 40 days... but that could just be completeley made up.
[22:32] <PriceChild> There's also normally 10 times as many "guests" as logged in users at any one time.
[22:35] <ompaul> yeap