| c1|freaky | does anyone know of a real good groupware? (just not eGroupware?) | 03:52 |
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| soulc | ummmm yeah just dumped fc7 for ubuntu server | 04:01 |
| soulc | proper install for web server/ mysql php etc is LAMP? and will I still have the mail options? | 04:02 |
| faulkes- | soulc: you can choose a lamp install that will include mail | 04:08 |
| faulkes- | typically that being postfix | 04:08 |
| soulc | good I am tired of sendmail | 04:09 |
| faulkes- | awww, come on now, whats not to love about m4 and mc files ;) | 04:09 |
| soulc | ha ha ha | 04:11 |
| soulc | tired of the spoofed spam just so I can have email | 04:11 |
| soulc | so I am reinstalling | 04:12 |
| soulc | how do I tell the installer that I don't want dhcp | 04:14 |
| ScottK | IIRC have dhcp not be available. It's easy enough to reconfigure later, I wouldn't sweat it. | 04:49 |
| soulc | so how do I configure network settings then I got it up and runnering | 04:51 |
| ScottK | By editing /etc/network/interfaces | 04:53 |
| soulc | and where is the cgi-bin dir? | 04:53 |
| soulc | ok | 04:53 |
| soulc | thanks I am used to fc | 04:54 |
| ScottK | No problem. | 04:54 |
| ScottK | I think /var/www somewhere, but I'm a mail server guy. | 04:54 |
| soulc | auto eth0 is running dhcp right | 04:56 |
| ScottK | As far as mail servers go, Postfix is what is primarily supported, but packages for all the popular open source MTAs are in the repositories. | 04:56 |
| ScottK | Yes | 04:57 |
| soulc | so if I set it as inet | 04:57 |
| ScottK | Here's a working static config http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55309/ | 04:58 |
| soulc | thanks | 04:58 |
| lamont | ScottK: still awake? | 05:10 |
| ScottK | Yeah | 05:10 |
| lamont | 345047 == please discover ipv6 configured networks | 05:11 |
| lamont | sigh | 05:11 |
| * ScottK looks | 05:11 | |
| ScottK | lamont: I thougth we tested this one and it was fine. | 05:11 |
| lamont | ah, /me looks at the debdiff | 05:12 |
| ScottK | That's the one that you coached me through removing IPv6 support from my kernel to make sure it was still harmless. | 05:12 |
| lamont | ah, right | 05:13 |
| lamont | so specifying ::1 when the system had no ipv6 just meant that it ignored it, yes? | 05:13 |
| ScottK | Yes | 05:13 |
| ScottK | It just never matches anything | 05:13 |
| lamont | sadly, that breaks all the po-files. Time to find all the other templates changes so we can have a more complete time. | 05:17 |
| ScottK | Ahhhh .... how does that happen? | 05:17 |
| ScottK | lamont: That sounds painful then. I'd guess we want to do that one a little later then. | 05:19 |
| soulc | :wq | 05:48 |
| soulc | er | 05:48 |
| soulc | ha ha ha | 05:48 |
| lamont | ScottK: 433660 is more one of me just not wanting to deal with complicating things... | 05:48 |
| lamont | how common is multiple instances, I wonder? | 05:48 |
| ScottK | It's extremely useful for complex setups. | 05:49 |
| ScottK | I don't think there's much you can do with it that you can't do with shoving stuff around in main.cf and master,cf, but eventually complexit there will get you. | 05:50 |
| ScottK | Multiple instances is, I think, something you want to wait for Weitse to be happy with. | 05:50 |
| ScottK | Victor Duchovni has had a multiple instance patch that he was working to get into 2.4 and 2.5. It didn't get in. I have to assume there's a reason. | 05:51 |
| ScottK | lamont: ^^^ | 05:51 |
| lamont | oh, most certainly | 05:52 |
| lamont | ScottK: 153706... I'm wondering if maybe the right answer there is to add to the manpage that queue ids are case sensitive... mebbe I'll just ask upstream about that... | 05:58 |
| ScottK | lamont: I think logging failure to find anything is a reasonable request. | 05:59 |
| lamont | yeah. likewise, knowing that queueids could be case-insensitive would allow us to DTRT | 06:00 |
| ScottK | lamont: True, it wouldn't hurt to add it to the man page, but I think logging the failure to find the specified queue id is more important. | 06:01 |
| ScottK | I'd go for both. | 06:01 |
| ScottK | lamont: I need to get to bed. Please shoot me /msg or email if you want me to take action on my bug triaging suggestions. | 06:04 |
| ScottK | lamont: Good night and good luck. | 06:04 |
| lamont | ok | 06:04 |
| lamont | thanks, btw | 06:04 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 06:05 |
| Iulian | G'morning | 07:07 |
| soulc | so does cgi-bin install with the apache server? | 07:36 |
| kraut | moin | 11:35 |
| sweeties | Hello | 12:43 |
| sweeties | I am trying to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 but the docs say to install update-manager-core, but I can't find that package | 12:44 |
| sweeties | ? | 12:45 |
| sweeties | I've checked my repositories | 12:52 |
| sweeties | and aside from the fact that they are pointing to canadian mirrors, I don't see anything bad | 12:52 |
| Iulian | Blah | 13:10 |
| CaptObvious | any ideas how I'd get vesafb-tng going? is it a module that's included in the server distro by default? | 14:32 |
| soso__fat | 请教，U7.1服务器 ，如何安装raid5上亚 | 14:39 |
| soso__fat | HP350 | 14:39 |
| soso__fat | 陈列卡，是HP5XX的 | 14:39 |
| soso__fat | 04年的卡 | 14:39 |
| CaptObvious | soso__fat: you're unlikely to get chinese speakers in here | 14:40 |
| soso__fat | my englishi ,is very very poor | 14:43 |
| Iulian | soso__fat: You should try. | 14:44 |
| Iulian | translate.google.com is awesome, afaik | 14:45 |
| CaptObvious | not sure it does chinese | 14:45 |
| Iulian | CaptObvious: There are a lot of languages, including Chinese | 14:46 |
| CaptObvious | cool, didn't know that | 14:46 |
| CaptObvious | Iulian: any ideas how I'd get vesafb-tng working in the server distro? | 14:50 |
| soso__fat | how install ubuntu-server7 on raid 5? | 14:55 |
| soso__fat | I search google,but ....... | 14:55 |
| soulc | yo all | 15:34 |
| soulc | I have a 22" wide screen monitor and would like to set my terminal to a higher res I think that the default vid driver is limited I have tried editing the grub menu to add vga=792 or 791 but no dice | 15:36 |
| mok0 | soso__fat: I am not sure that the installer supports raid | 15:36 |
| mok0 | soso__fat: but you can try the alternate CD | 15:37 |
| soulc | how do I install a better vid driver don't really want all of the xwindows running so I am limited to the command line | 15:38 |
| soulc | which is fine I just don't know how to do these things in ubuntu as I used to run fc7 | 15:39 |
| mok0 | soulc: you might try dpkg --configure xorg | 15:39 |
| soulc | which of course installed and ran EVERTHING | 15:39 |
| soulc | er | 15:39 |
| soso__fat | thanks | 15:39 |
| mok0 | soso__fat: come back and ask again if it doesn't work | 15:40 |
| soulc | if that installs xwindows I really don't want it | 15:40 |
| mok0 | soulc: You don't want x-windows? | 15:40 |
| soulc | nope | 15:40 |
| soulc | I would prefer not to have all that running | 15:41 |
| mok0 | soulc: you just want a higher resolution on the console? | 15:41 |
| soulc | yes | 15:41 |
| mok0 | Hm | 15:41 |
| soulc | and for some reason vga=792 doesn't work | 15:41 |
| mok0 | soulc: it can be done, I don't know how | 15:41 |
| soso__fat | ok | 15:42 |
| soulc | thanks | 15:42 |
| mok0 | soulc: Did any of the other resolutions work? | 15:43 |
| soulc | well I can change that later as I am ssh'd from my desktop | 15:43 |
| soulc | how about the cgi-bin dir | 15:44 |
| soulc | know where or if it was installed? | 15:44 |
| mok0 | soulc: perhaps your monitor doesn't want to switch to that resolution | 15:44 |
| soulc | did it before in fc* | 15:44 |
| soulc | I think it is the driver | 15:44 |
| mok0 | soulc: cgi-bin is in /usr/lib | 15:45 |
| soulc | ah | 15:45 |
| soulc | thanks | 15:45 |
| mok0 | dpkg -S cgi-bin | 15:45 |
| soulc | and what does that do? | 15:46 |
| mok0 | soulc: it lists all packages that contain something with cgi-bin | 15:46 |
| soulc | ah | 15:46 |
| mok0 | soulc: somewhat like rpm -qf :-) | 15:47 |
| soulc | ah | 15:47 |
| soulc | ok | 15:47 |
| soulc | damn I have a lot to learn | 15:47 |
| mok0 | soulc: except it is a pattern search | 15:47 |
| mok0 | soulc: not really | 15:47 |
| mok0 | I switched from centos w/o problems | 15:48 |
| soulc | well I need to learn how to configure postfix, and where config files are | 15:48 |
| mok0 | /etc/mail | 15:48 |
| soulc | like httpd | 15:48 |
| mok0 | yep | 15:48 |
| mok0 | /etc/apache2 | 15:48 |
| soulc | thanks | 15:49 |
| mok0 | np | 15:49 |
| faulkes- | soulc: there are several good guides on help.ubuntu.com for setting up postfix that will help yo familiarize yourself with it | 15:49 |
| soulc | ok good deal | 15:50 |
| soulc | so is the web server set up as a virtualhost? | 15:52 |
| soulc | is that site help.ubuntu.com have server specific documentation? | 15:54 |
| soulc | I wish there was a standard naming convention for apache etc | 15:56 |
| faulkes- | yes, there is server specific documentation there | 15:58 |
| faulkes- | iirc, help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers | 15:59 |
| faulkes- | is community howoto information | 15:59 |
| faulkes- | you can also find the official server guide there as well | 15:59 |
| soulc | thanks | 16:00 |
| ScottK | mok0 and soulc: In Debian/Ubuntu postfix config files are in /etc/postfix. | 16:20 |
| mok0 | ScottK: You're right, sorry soulc | 16:20 |
| mok0 | Just goes to show the deterioration of my memory span. I was fooling around with postfix configuration a week ago | 16:22 |
| ScottK | mok0: Do you have updated torque packages yet? | 16:22 |
| ScottK | (from my last round of comments) | 16:22 |
| mok0 | ScottK: no, not yet | 16:22 |
| mok0 | ScottK: there's an awful lot of linitan warnings all of a sudden | 16:23 |
| ScottK | Are we going to? Not much time left. | 16:23 |
| ScottK | mok0: Newer lintian is more pedantic probably. | 16:23 |
| mok0 | ScottK: I'd like that | 16:23 |
| ScottK | If you want to pastebin me the list of ones you're still sorting out, I'd let you know which ones I think we can live with for now. | 16:24 |
| mok0 | ScottK: There were some warnings about conffiles that I need to work out | 16:24 |
| mok0 | ScottK: ... and I have to implement a chrpath cleaning of the binaries | 16:24 |
| mok0 | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4378/ | 16:26 |
| * ScottK looks | 16:26 | |
| ScottK | debian-changelog-file-is-a-symlink can be ignored. That's due to Ubuntu specific changes to CDBS to save space on the CD. | 16:27 |
| mok0 | ScottK: ok | 16:28 |
| mok0 | ScottK: I hope we can skip the manpage warnings | 16:28 |
| mok0 | ScottK: the ones that are missing a manpage are not really used, perhaps for testing and stuff | 16:29 |
| ScottK | You should fix the formatting errors. | 16:29 |
| zobbo | if there a mailing list or rss feed where I can easily see updates that I'll get when I'm doing an upgrade for 7.10 Server ? | 16:29 |
| ScottK | The conffile ones must be fixed before the first upload | 16:30 |
| ScottK | zobbo: http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/rss/hardy.xml | 16:30 |
| mok0 | ScottK: yes, they are actual errors | 16:30 |
| mok0 | s/hardy/gutsy | 16:31 |
| zobbo | ScottK: many thanks | 16:31 |
| ScottK | mok0: setuid-binary is on purpose I assume? If so, add an over-ride for it. | 16:31 |
| zobbo | mok0: I guessed ;) - but ta | 16:31 |
| mok0 | ScottK: I have done that, but not tested yet | 16:32 |
| ScottK | OK | 16:32 |
| mok0 | ScottK: (it needs to be suid) | 16:32 |
| ScottK | OK. Then add an over-ride | 16:32 |
| ScottK | rpath I'm really not sure about. | 16:32 |
| ScottK | If you can add the over-ride, fix the conffile stuff, and the man page typos, I think it's worth looking at uploading. | 16:33 |
| mok0 | ScottK: well, they're all pointing to /usr/lib, so it shouldn't matter. But they are not allowed cf. policy, afaics | 16:33 |
| ScottK | So I don't know that it blocks an initial upload, but could be bug fixed after. | 16:33 |
| mok0 | ScottK: Great, I will see if I can get it done after dinner | 16:33 |
| mok0 | ScottK: I'm glad the courier merge went well | 16:35 |
| ScottK | It was much better when I applied the patch to the right version ... | 16:35 |
| mok0 | ScottK: Fortunately (for me) I checked that it worked before uploading. But suddenly I feared I made the patch against the wrong sources | 16:37 |
| ScottK | Which is always a good practice. | 16:37 |
| mok0 | ScottK: I could not use debdiff, because dpkg-buildpackage does strange things to the *.po files (?) | 16:37 |
| ScottK | I've been doing more Main work recently and I've had to start making debdiffs again as a result. | 16:37 |
| ScottK | mok0: Yes. It's an issue that really deserves investigation, but I've never have time. | 16:38 |
| mok0 | ScottK: Just as long as the LoCo teams submit their updates to Debian it will be ok to ignore them :-) | 16:39 |
| ScottK | Unfortunately Debian and Ubuntu have very different translation workflows and it's very hard to give updated translations back. | 16:40 |
| mok0 | ScottK: Oh, I see... | 16:40 |
| ScottK | We don't use the Debian tools at all. It's all magic in Rosetta here. | 16:41 |
| mok0 | ScottK: I tried to copy the po files from debian to the ubuntu tree, build packages from both trees and suddenly there were diffs in the po files | 16:42 |
| ScottK | Which does point at dpkg-buildpackage. | 16:42 |
| mok0 | ScottK: Indeed | 16:42 |
| lamont | the lintian bitching about libraries is unsurprising... personally, I'm waiting for the lintian-library police to tell me how to fix my package. | 16:44 |
| lamont | since it's not immediately obvious | 16:44 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 16:45 |
| mok0 | lamont: what's the bitching about? | 16:45 |
| lamont | somethign of the form "links with library that it doesn't use" | 16:46 |
| ScottK | Yeah. I've been ignoring those too. | 16:46 |
| mok0 | lamont: I've seen that. | 16:47 |
| ScottK | Though to be a bit pedantic the blame there lies with dpkg-shlibdeps and not lintian. | 16:47 |
| mok0 | lamont: It's probably because the shared library is linked to libm, say. That you can do as a convinience so people don't need to know all the dependencies of the library | 16:48 |
| ScottK | If we're gonna bitch, we ought to have the right targe. | 16:48 |
| lamont | ScottK: it's not lintian. it's generally that you link with a library that links with some other library | 16:48 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 16:49 |
| lamont | which was the result of the _previous_ round of library bitching (not linking with libs that you use) | 16:49 |
| mok0 | lamont: perhaps you should try updating your version of libtool | 16:49 |
| ScottK | lamont: Are you going to upload 2.5.1~rc1 to Ubuntu? | 16:49 |
| lamont | mok0: you're presupposing that my package uses libtool | 16:49 |
| mok0 | lamont: yes, isn't it? | 16:49 |
| lamont | ScottK: yeah - I plan to sync it after today's dinstall | 16:49 |
| ScottK | Great. | 16:49 |
| lamont | mok0: no | 16:49 |
| mok0 | lamont: ugh | 16:50 |
| lamont | if upstream uses libtool, I don't revert it. if upstream doesn't, I stay as far from that festering pile of garbage as I can | 16:50 |
| lamont | which is pretty much the same way I deal with auto-crap | 16:50 |
| mok0 | lamont: harsh words on a saturday... | 16:50 |
| lamont | mok0: well, maybe I'm just old and crufty and not fully awake yet... | 16:50 |
| lamont | afterall, it's not even 10AM here. | 16:51 |
| mok0 | lamont: :-) | 16:51 |
| mok0 | lamont: 18:00 here... | 16:51 |
| lamont | ScottK: btw, logcheck winds up way out-of-date with 2.5. | 16:53 |
| lamont | hrm.. come to think of it, most of my packages are old and crufty too. | 16:53 |
| faulkes- | don't be hating on us old people | 16:54 |
| faulkes- | we'll make you get off our lawns. | 16:54 |
| lamont | LOPL | 16:54 |
| lamont | LOL, too | 16:54 |
| * faulkes- wanders off muttering about "damn punk kids" and "newfangled internets" | 16:55 | |
| ScottK | lamont: Well since it's a native Debian thing, they getter get moving then. | 16:55 |
| lamont | ScottK: well, there's also this longstanding agreement with the logcheck guys that some day postfix will start delivering those files... maybe this is a good point to start that | 16:56 |
| faulkes- | quick question | 17:48 |
| faulkes- | n/m, answered it myself | 17:49 |
| ScottK | That was quick. | 17:49 |
| zobbo | it is possible to easily determine (or even not easily I guess, but must be scriptable) the last date an update and upgrade was successfully completed ? | 17:50 |
| zobbo | ignore that | 17:50 |
| zobbo | let me google for a bit | 17:50 |
| ScottK | The answer to your question is yes btw. | 17:51 |
| zobbo | :) | 17:51 |
| zobbo | hmmm | 17:58 |
| faulkes- | ScottK: occassionally my brain works in fast mode, not often mind you | 18:01 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 18:01 |
| faulkes- | guess the gerbil drank his caffeine this morning | 18:01 |
| zobbo | hmmm ... well - the best I've found so far is /var/log/apt/term.log ... but that's basically a full text log and I'd have to search through it to see if an upgrade occurred | 18:06 |
| faulkes- | zobbo: if the file is only written too when an update occurs, then you only need to look at the time the file was modified | 18:12 |
| faulkes- | /var/log/dpkg.log might be a better option | 18:13 |
| zobbo | faulkes-: thanks for the help. Problem I can see is that if I install an app as a one off (e.g. i just installed vim), that log file is updated then as well, but obviously the system is not upgraded | 18:16 |
| zobbo | I could just run a cron script every hour to grep through that and set a time somewhere, if it sees an upgrade happening | 18:17 |
| zobbo | or I could have a beer I guess | 18:17 |
| faulkes- | true, and my many years of experience would suggest, the appropriate course of action, would be to start drinking | 18:18 |
| ScottK | zobbo: What problem are you trying to solve? | 18:18 |
| faulkes- | <zobbo> it is possible to easily determine (or even not easily I guess, but must be scriptable) the last date an | 18:19 |
| faulkes- | update and upgrade was successfully completed ? | 18:19 |
| zobbo | I've got 170 boxes and I want to be able to see from a central server the last time an "apt-get upgrade" was performed on them | 18:19 |
| zobbo | I can handle the central server bit if I can find out how to get the info from each box | 18:19 |
| ScottK | zobbo: /var/log/auth* files ought to have that because you need elevated permissions to execute the command. | 18:21 |
| zobbo | so grep through that (or dpkg) and look for upgrades and write that info elsewhere ? | 18:24 |
| zobbo | I guess I could tie that in with zabbix | 18:24 |
| ScottK | That or have the script mail the results to the central server and parse the message there. | 18:25 |
| zobbo | ScottK/faulkes thanks for the thoughts and help | 18:26 |
| zobbo | I'll let you know how I get on (in about 3 months time at this rate ;) ) | 18:26 |
| ScottK | zobbo: You're welcome. | 18:26 |
| faulkes- | hmm, coffee sounds good about now | 18:40 |
| jondowd | hello. after installing 6.06 lts, what is the terminal or cli command to perform security updates? thanks. | 18:59 |
| ScottK | jondowd: sudo apt-get update | 19:00 |
| ScottK | jondowd: sudo apt-get upgrade | 19:00 |
| jondowd | thanks ScottK - will those commands bring more packages than are needed for security reasons? is there a way to get just the 'security' updates (if there is such a distinction)? | 19:04 |
| ScottK | That will bring both security updates and stable release bugfixes. It will not bring general package upates | 19:05 |
| ScottK | There is a distinction and you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list to not have the updates repository enabled, but I strongly suggest you don't do that. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | stable updates are tested carefully before upload. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | Additionally, it does happen that security issues get swept into update packages. | 19:06 |
| jondowd | ok. I'll do what you recommend - thanks for your help | 19:08 |
| jondowd | one problem i want to avoid is that in 2.6.22-14-server i get occaisional network failure, so I'm down-grading to 6.06 | 19:11 |
| jondowd | as in "Bug description [edit] | 19:13 |
| jondowd | Binary package hint: linux-source-2.6.20 | 19:13 |
| jondowd | With linux 2.6.19 and 2.6.20 the network breaks every now and then (might be after some minutes or hours) and the /var/log/messages log mentions "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out". | 19:13 |
| jondowd | From /var/log/syslog: | 19:13 |
| jondowd | "... | 19:13 |
| jondowd | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out | 19:13 |
| jondowd | eth1: Tx timed out, lost interrupt? TSR=0x3, ISR=0x3, t=356." | 19:13 |
| faulkes- | the issue could very much depend on the card driver | 19:14 |
| faulkes- | do you know what card is in eth1? | 19:15 |
| ScottK | jondowd: You have to do a lot more than apt-get upgrade to get to a new release. Don't worry about that. | 19:18 |
| jondowd | per-fect ! (my download of ubuntu-6.06.2-server-amd64.iso is at about 94%) thanks again! | 19:22 |
| [diablo] | evening guys | 22:02 |
| [diablo] | does anyone know if the 6.06.2 release fixes the gfxboot issue for KVM guests please? | 22:02 |
| [diablo] | found that soooo frustrating | 22:03 |
| ivoks | no | 22:06 |
| ivoks | but that's easily avoidable | 22:06 |
| [diablo] | hi ivoks | 22:06 |
| [diablo] | ivoks, yeah I know... just remaster the cd | 22:06 |
| ivoks | or use qemu | 22:06 |
| [diablo] | pfff | 22:06 |
| [diablo] | blow that | 22:06 |
| [diablo] | the installation takes for ever | 22:07 |
| [diablo] | remastering is quicker | 22:07 |
| ivoks | well, with kqemu, should be enough for install | 22:07 |
| [diablo] | nod | 22:07 |
| [diablo] | that's true, but I don't run kqemu | 22:07 |
| [diablo] | just kvm | 22:07 |
| [diablo] | actually I personally feel that this gfxboot issue should have been fixed for 6.06.2 | 22:08 |
| [diablo] | would have been so simple | 22:08 |
| ivoks | it's not gfxboot issue | 22:09 |
| ivoks | but a kvm issue | 22:09 |
| [diablo] | no | 22:09 |
| [diablo] | well | 22:09 |
| [diablo] | erm | 22:09 |
| [diablo] | a bit of both | 22:09 |
| [diablo] | I know it's been fixed in 8.04 alpha's | 22:10 |
| [diablo] | actually it works great in a kvm-60 guest | 22:10 |
| hsn_ | !db2 | 22:24 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about db2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 22:24 |
| hsn_ | !package db2exc | 22:24 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about package db2exc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 22:24 |
| ScottK | hsn_: It's in the partner repository | 22:25 |
| hsn_ | how to add it? | 22:26 |
| ScottK | edit /etc/apt/sources.list It'll be called commercial or partner depending on which release you are on. | 22:26 |
| hsn_ | ah found it | 22:34 |
| [diablo] | btw, 6.06.2 DOES fix the kvm gfxboot issue | 23:54 |
| [diablo] | ! | 23:54 |
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