[00:48] <jscinoz> when the topic says "DO NOT RUN HARDY" is that saying something is majorly borked atm? o r was it meant to say "do not run hardy on production machines"
[00:49] <selckin> read the parts before it
[00:49] <coz_> jscinoz,  yeah if you are not sure of how to resolve dependencies then........
[00:49] <jscinoz> ah :P
[00:50] <coz_> jscinoz, i am running hardy at this moment
[00:50] <jscinoz> i'd probably be running hardy atm, but i hear that audio is kinda borked because the switch from alsa to pulse isnt finished
[00:58] <RAOF> jscinoz: That'd be incorrect.  There isn't a switch from ALSA to pulseaudio.  There's a switch from ESD (which practically nobody used) to PulseAudio (which is now enabled).
[00:59] <jscinoz> ah
[01:28] <Amaranth> RAOF: Although technically it is a switch from ALSA to Pulseaudio since everything just used ALSA directly rather than deal with ESD :P
[01:29] <RAOF> Amaranth: Heh.
[01:29] <FliesLikeABrick> is anyone here running hardy on an Eee, or any other machine with an Attansic L2 ethernet adapter, for that matter?
[01:29] <WorkingOnWise> how do I disable Composite in X so Compiz-Fusion will not work?
[01:30] <FliesLikeABrick> why not just turn off compiz-fusion in your preferences
[01:30] <FliesLikeABrick> ?
[01:30] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWise: just login to a failsafe GNOME session and turn it off
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWise, or Section "Extensions"
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> 	Option		"Composite"	"0"
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> EndSection in xorg.conf
[01:31] <RAOF> But then you won't be able to use Metacity's new compositor :)
[01:31] <WorkingOnWise> FliesLikeABrick: I turned it off 3 times by selecting Metacity as and GTK, but every login CF is back on.
[01:31] <FliesLikeABrick> When I upgraded from 2.6.24-4-generic to anything newer, support for my ethernet card disappeared
[01:31] <FliesLikeABrick> what source package would that bug get reported to?
[01:31] <WorkingOnWise> DarkMageZ: I think thats what I'm looking for. Thanks
[01:33] <WorkingOnWise> DarkMageZ: would that go in Section "Device"?
[01:34] <Amaranth> WorkingOnWise: no, it is a separate section of its own
[01:34] <WorkingOnWise> Amaranth: what do I call the section?
[01:35] <DarkMageZ> WorkingOnWise, see how i declare a section. then declare a variable and its number then close it?
[01:35] <WorkingOnWise> all the sections begin  with Section "SomeName"
[01:37] <WorkingOnWise> I was under the impression that all sections had to have a name, then the declaration, and then EndSection
[01:42] <lime4x4> is there a problem with the forcedeth.ko module?
[01:48] <FliesLikeABrick> what package should I put a bug in for if a module hasn't been working >= 2.6.24-5-generic ?
[02:10] <davide> excuse me I installed hardy and there is a new entry in the grub menu: there are both the usual kernel-...-generic and kernel-...-386. What is the last one? It doesn't boot if I run the 386 one. Thank you
[02:14] <cwillu> !motd
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <cwillu> davide, this probably doesn't help you now, but the motd is apropos
[02:17] <davide> sorry, I didn't understand what you said
[02:18] <cwillu> """If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependancies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY"""
[02:19] <cwillu> That said, the generic kernel is the one you want
[02:19] <scizzo-> well one more reason to wish for 2.6.24.1 to enter hardy
[02:19] <scizzo-> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704
[02:19] <cwillu> and I hope you're interested in having a bunch of learning experiences from here until hardy goes final in march :p
[02:20] <cwillu> scizzo-, it'll go in as far as I know
[02:20] <scizzo-> well good to know its a local exploit
[02:20] <scizzo-> not a remote one
[02:20] <cwillu> doesn't take much to turn a local exploit into a remote exploit though
[02:22] <scizzo-> true
[02:23] <cwillu> they have patches against 2.6.22 as well, so I'd expect to see gutsy, fiesty, etc updates pretty quick
[02:24] <FliesLikeABrick> what are you guys talking about? I missed the beginning of the topic
[03:02] <DoYouKnow> is there a problem in hardy where the installation window goes off the edge of the screen?
[03:05] <DoYouKnow> I am using vmware workstation 6
[03:05] <DoYouKnow> still figuring out if this is the guest os or the virtual machine that's causing this...
[03:13]  * cyphase just looked at xorg.conf in hardy
[03:13] <cyphase> very empty :)
[03:16] <cyphase> anyone know if anyone is working on displayconfig-gtk for hardy?
[03:40] <DanaG> I wish some official developer would comment on the the keyboard-stuckage (yes, I know that's not a real word) bug.
[03:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[03:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:04] <ethana2> it's official: the drivers for the Brother BCP-7020 printer are borked
[04:04] <ethana2> DCP-7020*
[05:20] <starscalling> ok
[05:20] <starscalling> doing upgrade process via apt-get upgrade and now sudo broken - any anything useing it
[05:20] <starscalling> ; ;
[05:20] <starscalling> !sudo
[05:20] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[05:20] <starscalling> grar
[05:27] <johnny> hi, anybody here able to run Xnest in hardy?
[06:01] <bullgard4> Does dhelp work all right in Hardy? (It does not seem to output any results in Gutsy.)
[06:02] <nekostar> Removing sun-java6-bin ...
[06:02] <nekostar> /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png is not a directory
[06:02] <nekostar> dpkg: error processing sun-java6-bin (--remove):
[06:02] <nekostar>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[06:02] <nekostar> solution: sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png && sudo apt-get --purge remove sun-java6-bin
[06:03] <bullgard4> !punctuation | nekostar
[06:03] <ubotu> nekostar: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:04] <nekostar> ~_~
[06:04] <nekostar> not appropriate for that
[06:04] <johnny> yeah.. i agree
[06:04] <johnny> people misuse !puncuation in #ubuntu-*
[06:04] <nekostar> tell me about it
[06:04] <nekostar> and make that #ubuntu*
[06:04] <johnny> try
[06:05] <johnny> err true
[06:05] <nekostar> !punctuation > johnny
[06:05] <nekostar> >.>
[06:05] <johnny> i'm stymied everywhere i turn, to try to get sabayon working with 2.21
[06:05] <johnny> and it's too late to switch sabayon to Xephyr
[06:06] <nekostar> mm
[06:06] <nekostar> played with it
[06:06] <nekostar> didnt see the point
[06:06] <johnny> the point of?
[06:06] <nekostar> sabayon
[06:06] <johnny> i use sabayon at our bookstore cofeehouse
[06:07] <johnny> it is good to maintain profiles for various user types
[06:07] <johnny> single user machines, not useful at all
[06:07] <nekostar> mm
[06:07] <nekostar> ok
[06:07] <nekostar> never tried doing that stuff - no one gets to use my compy but me :D
[06:48] <aLeSD> hi all
[06:49] <aLeSD> I have a problem with ubuntu 8.04 : the mixing sw doesn't work anymore
[06:50] <aLeSD> is alsa the soundsystem, isn't it ?
[07:20] <nekostar> grar~
[07:20] <nekostar> seems nice
[07:20] <nekostar> compiz runs and loads faster
[07:20] <nekostar> ^_^
[07:20] <aLeSD> nekostar: r u using an ATI ?
[07:20] <nekostar> i would say while not perfect my upgrade was fairly painless... and i had lots of non-vanilla-install packages in
[07:20] <nekostar> aLeSD no
[07:20] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.24-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[9 minutes] | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU            2160  @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 2690.119 MHz (10764.57 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 3080x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with dr
[07:20] <nekostar> iver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[07:21] <nekostar> by default updating from gutsy it installed the i386 package
[07:21] <nekostar> but installed generic and vua la there were my cpu's :D
[07:22] <nekostar> tho sudo did break on the way in - spammed problem and solution a bit earlier - sun-java6-bin was looking for its icon to actually be a folder for some reason in the root of the /usr/share/icons folder so i made a folder called that and it seems to be perfectly happy now
[07:23] <nekostar> couple other little things - better take out libgpod etc before upgrading and i was good to go
[07:24] <nekostar> though ive yet to see a button to go from the add/remove applications >> synaptic..
[07:26] <aLeSD> nekostar: does the sound sw mixing work for u ?
[07:27] <nekostar> aLeSD mm?
[07:27] <nekostar> i get sound yes
[07:27] <aLeSD> nekostar: two application in the samen time
[07:27] <nekostar> hm
[07:28] <aLeSD> cause in my case the use of the device is exclusive .... and I can't use more application ... :|
[07:28] <nekostar> yeah
[07:28] <nekostar> works fine
[07:28] <johnny> i've only got hardy in a vm
[07:29] <aLeSD> nekostar: what kind of hw ?
[07:29] <johnny> trying to test an xnest bug, but i can't even get it to work :)
[07:29] <nekostar> redo your sound
[07:29] <nekostar> its probably on oss
[07:29] <nekostar> make it into alsa
[07:29] <nekostar> aLeSD my sound card is audigy 2
[07:29] <aLeSD> ah
[07:29] <nekostar> ive still not enough power with ym cpu tho
[07:29] <aLeSD> creative supports hw mixing
[07:30] <nekostar> 1.8ghz dual core c2d oc'd to 2.7
[07:30] <nekostar> aLeSD yeah
[07:30] <aLeSD> my card not
[07:30] <nekostar> alsa-oss is a alsa wrapper for oss applications
[07:30] <ethana3> PA can use all OSS and ALSA drivers, right?
[07:30] <aLeSD> yes ... but I'm using rhytmbox and audiology
[07:30] <aLeSD> they uses alsa
[07:30] <nekostar> change the driver they use
[07:31] <aLeSD> I think it's the change to portaudio
[07:31] <nekostar> set them up for oss
[07:31] <nekostar> and use the wrapper or so
[07:31] <nekostar> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation
[07:31] <nekostar>  ~___~
[07:32] <aLeSD> what is the alsa configuration file ?
[07:33] <aLeSD> s/what/where
[07:39] <nekostar> do you have the pulseaudio in?
[07:39] <nekostar> make sure to have pulseaudio-module-gonf and pulseaudio-module-hal
[07:39] <nekostar> mm
[07:39] <nekostar> seems to have problems with exclusive locks for dpkg/apt/
[07:48] <aLeSD> hi again
[07:49] <ethana3> hello
[07:49] <aLeSD> someone here has an ATI ?
[07:49] <ethana3> i do
[07:50] <ethana3> Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB
[07:50] <aLeSD> hey the audio works !!! ... I have to change all the output to pulseaudio ...
[07:51] <aLeSD> ethana3: does the 3d works for u ?
[07:51] <ethana3> yes
[07:51] <ethana3> pulse audio is the sound server in gutsy
[07:51] <ethana3> where else are you going to send it?
[07:51] <ethana3> right to the metal?  for shame
[07:52] <ethana3> aLeSD: what card do you have, by the way?
[07:52] <aLeSD> ethana3: to alsa directly
[07:52] <aLeSD> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250ù
[07:52] <aLeSD> ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250
[07:52] <ethana3> ^_^
[07:53] <aLeSD> ethana3: my problem is the kernel driver
[07:53] <ethana3> I don't know what chipset that card uses..
[07:53] <ethana3> DRI module?
[07:53] <aLeSD> yes
[07:53] <ethana3> ooohh..  I've never had a problem like that
[07:53] <aLeSD> the xorg module can't dind it
[07:53] <ethana3> lsmod | grep dri
[07:53] <aLeSD> could u run a lsmod | grep fglrx
[07:54] <ethana3> fglrx?  good heavens no
[07:54] <crdlb> those cards use completely different drivers
[07:54] <ethana3> I use radeon
[07:54] <ethana3> oh they do?  seriously?
[07:54] <crdlb> the 9200 cannot use fglrx, and the Xpress 1250 must use fglrx if you want real 3d support
[07:54] <ethana3> uy
[07:54] <aLeSD> ok .. I'm using fglrx ... and before the turn to 8.04 it worked
[07:54] <ethana3> that explains my problems..
[07:55] <aLeSD> crdlb .. where is my fglrx.ko module ?
[07:55] <aLeSD> I can't find it in the restricted drivers package
[07:55] <crdlb> hiding in /lib/linux-restricted-modules
[07:55] <aLeSD> ehm
[07:56] <crdlb> it's supposed to be copied to /lib/modules/ at boot, but sometimes doesn't work, particularly if you tried using the ATI installer or envy
[07:56] <aLeSD> crdlb: I'm using only the ubuntu packages
[07:58] <aLeSD> crdlb
[07:58] <aLeSD> dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/copyright
[07:58] <aLeSD> /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/changelog.gz
[07:58] <aLeSD> nothing more
[07:59] <crdlb> dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[07:59] <aLeSD> wow
[08:00] <aLeSD> dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | grep fglrx
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/firegl_public.o
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC4
[08:00] <aLeSD> /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/fglrx.mod.o
[08:00] <aLeSD> /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/modules.alias.override/fglrx
[08:00] <aLeSD> no .ko
[08:00] <aLeSD> crdlb: is it strange ?
[08:01] <RAOF> aLeSD: No, not at all.  The restricted modules get linked on boot by l-r-m
[08:02] <aLeSD> RAOF: help
[08:02] <aLeSD> l-r-m
[08:03] <RAOF> linux-restricted-modules
[08:03] <aLeSD> I can't find in my system any fglrx.ko
[08:03] <RAOF> Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx?
[08:03] <RAOF> Was it at boot?
[08:04] <aLeSD> RAOF: yes ... I have it .. I have a strange symlink
[08:04] <aLeSD> look
[08:04] <aLeSD> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-12-30 05:47 /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1/fglrx.ko -> 2.6.x/fglrx.ko
[08:04] <aLeSD> it doesn't exist
[08:05] <RAOF> That's not an answer to my questions :)
[08:05] <aLeSD> ops
[08:05] <aLeSD> Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx? yes
[08:05] <RAOF> Also, I didn't know fglrx used dkms.
[08:05] <aLeSD> Was it at boot? what do u mean
[08:06] <RAOF> As in: have you changed it since you booted?
[08:06] <aLeSD> no
[08:06] <aLeSD> RAOF ... I need only my fglrx.ko
[08:06] <RAOF> Right.  Finally, does /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common have anything in DISABLED_MODULES?
[08:07] <atrus> trying out compiz in hardy. it works graphically, except that it seems to often lock modifier keys like shift or super down, such that i have no way of releasing them and using the desktop normally anymore.
[08:07] <aLeSD> shit
[08:07] <aLeSD> DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx"
[08:07] <aLeSD> who did it ??
[08:07] <RAOF> !ohmy | aLeSD
[08:07] <ubotu> aLeSD: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[08:07] <aLeSD> sorry
[08:08] <RAOF> Also, :P!
[08:08] <aLeSD> so I have to comment it out andreinstall restricted-modules .. ?
[08:08] <crdlb> no, just reboot
[08:09] <crdlb> or run: sudo lrm-manager
[08:09] <RAOF> aLeSD: Just remove fglrx from DISABLED_MODULES, and... or sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules start :)
[08:09] <aLeSD> crdlb: does it will compile the module ?
[08:10] <RAOF> Link it, yes.
[08:13] <aLeSD> lex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common restart
[08:13] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo lrm-manager
[08:13] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ modprobe fglrx
[08:13] <aLeSD> FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx
[08:13] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:14] <aLeSD> RAOF: ... ok my way : where is the file that all the scripts have to link to ?
[08:15] <aLeSD> :°
[08:15] <RAOF> aLeSD: You probably need to modprobe -r the open-source kernel module.  Or just reboot.
[08:16] <RAOF> It's (generally) not *necessary* to reboot, it can just be easier :)
[08:17] <aLeSD> I'll be back
[08:17] <aLeSD> RAOF: but pls ... could u tell me where is the module ?
[08:18] <aLeSD> no the link ... I want the .ko
[08:18] <DarkMageZ> RAOF, E: Couldn't find package ia64-libs
[08:18] <DarkMageZ> opps, wrong channel ッ
[08:19] <RAOF> Why would he want the .ko?
[08:20] <DarkMageZ> cause it's nessesary for fglrx to work
[08:20] <DarkMageZ> i thought that's what modprobe loaded
[08:21] <DarkMageZ> and what lrm put in the correct place when not disabled
[08:21] <fr500> hey again
[08:22] <RAOF> Yeah, but he'd already got the module in the right place care of... oh, actually no.  He didn't run what I told him to :)
[08:22] <aLeSD> ok ok
[08:22] <aLeSD> u win
[08:22] <aLeSD> I have 3d
[08:22] <aLeSD> thanks
[08:22] <crdlb> RAOF is made of win
[08:23] <RAOF> He's on FIRE!
[08:23] <DarkMageZ> i worry about RAOF's internet connection tho. bloody tpg :p
[08:24] <RAOF> Eh, not so bad.  Not too expensive, fast enough.  Generally. :)
[08:24] <DarkMageZ> staff no speak enlish
[08:24] <DarkMageZ> english*
[08:24] <fr500> do you think there is a way to hook up a qvga screen to a normal pc as a display
[08:24] <fr500> for experiments :p
[08:24] <RAOF> Oh, as long as the tubes are connected to me I need not speak to them!
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> i hope you pray often enough to make sure that happens.
[08:27] <aLeSD> alex@explorer:~$ compiz
[08:27] <aLeSD> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[08:27] <aLeSD> Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:05.0 0300: 1002:7942 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[08:27] <aLeSD> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
[08:27] <aLeSD> Trying again with indirect rendering:
[08:27] <aLeSD> Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present.
[08:27] <DarkMageZ> i remember when i was with them... i remember the conversations i had with one of their level 2 support staff...
[08:27] <aLeSD> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[08:27] <DarkMageZ> fglrx? not going to happen in hardy
[08:28] <DarkMageZ> aLeSD, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/173663
[08:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Confirmed]
[08:28] <crdlb> install xserver-xgl
[08:28] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: I haven't had any problems with that, which is nice.
[08:28] <RAOF> Damnit!  I *still* have to support Xgl? :(
[08:28] <crdlb> hehe
[08:29] <DarkMageZ> RAOF, no. feel free to drop the package.
[08:29]  * crdlb wonders if ATI will "fix" (I use this word loosely) fglrx in time for hardy
[08:29] <DarkMageZ> is xorg server 1.4 officially released yet? NO
[08:29] <crdlb> ?
[08:30] <crdlb> it was officially released months ago
[08:30] <crdlb> in Xorg 7.3
[08:30] <nekostar> o:
[08:30] <DarkMageZ> really? i though xorg server 1.3 was used in xorg 7.3. odd.
[08:30] <crdlb> no
[08:30] <nekostar> hardy is quite nice for the record
[08:30] <crdlb> they're out of sync
[08:30] <nekostar> stable enough to be called windows
[08:30] <nekostar> >_>
[08:30]  * nekostar runz
[08:31] <DarkMageZ> nekostar, yeah. you better run. *shakes fist*
[08:31] <DarkMageZ> :p
[08:31] <aLeSD> DarkMageZ: so I have to wait or install xgl ?
[08:31] <crdlb> yup
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> aLeSD, there's always the 3'rd option
[08:32] <aLeSD> DarkMageZ: I'll love it
[08:32]  * crdlb isn't going to like this
[08:32] <aLeSD> what about the 3rd ?
[08:32] <crdlb> (unless it's "go back to gutsy" :P)
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> aLeSD, hostage situation at ATi/AMD headquarters
[08:33] <crdlb> XD
[08:33] <johnny> now if only i could get Xnest working
[08:33] <aLeSD> :D
[08:33]  * crdlb was wrong
[08:33] <johnny> so i can get my gnome app workin in a gnome 2.21
[08:33] <aLeSD> I'll wait
[08:33] <DarkMageZ> :( no-one ever takes the 3'rd option
[08:33] <johnny> anybody here having Xnest working?
[08:34] <johnny> ultimately trying to test a gnome-settings-daemon bug
[08:34] <johnny> i have it replicated in my gentoo install
[08:34] <johnny> now i just need to see if it works in hardy
[08:36] <nekostar> mm really tho quite impressive
[08:36] <aLeSD> all is working ... less flash that doens't use pulseaudio and skype that doesn't use pulseaudio
[08:36] <nekostar> er...
[08:36]  * nekostar checks utub
[08:37] <nekostar> mine's working
[08:37] <nekostar> but wow its ugly
[08:37] <nekostar> hm
[08:38] <nekostar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INttODEPzp0&eurl=http://www.inuyasha-lives.info/amazingvid/    Christianity Taught by an Atheist -Interview with an atheist  bit shaky
[08:39] <aLeSD> nekostar: why did u disactivated the sw mixing in alsa ?
[08:39] <nekostar> ?
[08:39] <nekostar> i didnt
[08:39] <nekostar> i dont have to mess with that stuff
[08:39] <aLeSD> lol
[08:39] <aLeSD> why the alsa sw mixing is disactivated ?
[08:39] <DanaG> !info libflashsupport
[08:40] <ubotu> libflashsupport (source: libflashsupport): Support library for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh, PulseAudio disables dmix so it can measure latency on various audio devices, for the sake of synchronization.
[08:40] <aLeSD> I mean all the application that support pulseaudio have sw mixing ... but the old ones no.
[08:40] <DanaG> Dmix would introduce a delay that PulseAudio wouldn't be able to measure.
[08:40] <aLeSD> DanaG: ah ... ok
[08:41] <DanaG> You can install libasound2-plugins and do asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[08:41] <DanaG> Be aware that some apps don't get along well with PulseAudio.
[08:41] <aLeSD> DanaG: is  libasound2-plugins trasparent ?
[08:42] <DanaG> Look up "perfect setup" on the PulseAudio wiki.
[08:42] <DanaG> I have to go to bed now, though.
[08:42] <aLeSD> DanaG: thanks ... I'm just waking up
[08:43] <DanaG> Pacific timezone for me -- it's 1 AM.
[08:43] <DanaG> Or rather, 12:43.
[08:43] <nekostar> well the important part is my anime plays fine
[08:43] <nekostar> and now i go to darn bed
[08:44] <ethana3> ^_^
[08:49] <aLeSD> ok I will wait that skype and flash will use pulseaudio
[08:49] <aLeSD> can I return back to 7.10 ?
[08:56] <tumbleweed__> nope
[08:56] <qzio> reinstall
[08:59] <aLeSD> no way. don't look back
[09:02] <aLeSD> wow vmware doesn't compile the module ...
[09:47] <sveri> hey folks, i installed hardy yesterday and it works great :-)
[09:47] <sveri> but if i want to install kde4-core it tells me kdebase-bin-kde3 will be removed, is that ok?
[09:57] <binskipy2u> anyone here using Ubuntu Ultimate?
[10:05] <qzio> hm, in gutsy - if you go change background -> vistual effect there is like a custom settings button
[10:05] <qzio> the thing isnt here in hardy (fresh install)
[10:06] <qzio> i want to change some settings for compiz/gnome
[10:06] <Airplane> hi all
[10:07] <^BiplanO^> my gnome doesn't save my screen resolution settings and my keyboard layout settings!
[10:13] <qzio> ^BiplanO^: im using the default screen resolution, but i think i have the same problem with the layout (which im not using the default...)
[10:13] <^BiplanO^> I have to set them everytime I start gnome
[10:15] <^BiplanO^> moreover icons associated with file types don't work in nautilus
[10:31] <Helvasca> Is it just me, or is batteryy life better in alpha 4?
[10:32] <^BiplanO^> Helvasca, maybe you stopped smoking
[10:32] <^BiplanO^> :p
[10:33] <Helvasca> lol
[11:18] <Gnine> system > administration > screen and graphics - no show | program crashes.  native resolution of 1280x800 is lost after X restart. failure started after setting an external monitor on gateway mt-3422 using nvidia geforce go 6100 with restricted driver
[11:22] <Gnine> related to bug 188562
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188562 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188562
[11:40] <qzio> hm... compiz i.e the rotating cube works fine
[11:40] <qzio> but scrolling in firefox is dead slow
[11:40] <qzio> laggy
[11:41] <qzio> hmm http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHuawei_E220&ei=8uKuR6vlF5iYwwG_wfF6&usg=AFQjCNFGC6DtrdVo5TNeI8R9t-NMJIXcJA&sig2=MBdoFVbbaa--oaGG7niRew crashes for me 100% of the time
[11:42] <qzio> wtf? nm
[12:09] <cwillu> how do I use 'find' to list files _older_ than a certain number of days?  I can't seem to get -mtime to do what I need
[12:16] <_Pete_> howdy, hardy experts here ? I just upgraded to that and now the machien wont boot. The problem is that root = md0 and that's for somereason is not activated
[12:16] <_Pete_> anyideas how to fix it ?
[12:29] <c1|freaky> _Pete_: u can edit grub menu entries
[12:30] <c1|freaky> there u can change the arguments given to the kernel, the partition and hd which is bootet from etc.
[12:51] <_Pete_> c1|freaky: yes ?
[12:52] <_Pete_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102933
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102933 in mdadm "/dev/md0 fails to mount on boot (dup-of: 103177)" [Undecided,Invalid]
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103177 in initramfs-tools "boot-time race condition initializing md" [Critical,Fix released]
[12:52] <_Pete_> I think it's same bug
[12:52] <c1|freaky> oh ok
[12:55] <shirish> !topic
[12:55] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[12:56] <shirish> guys, is Hardy in a soft freeze state or what?
[12:58] <hyper__ch> hiho nice folks :)
[13:13] <mohbana> ok guys whats a good cvs tool that allows me to deelete projects?
[13:13] <hyper__ch> svn ;)
[13:13] <mohbana> i cant use that because uni only has cvs
[13:13] <selckin> i'd say cvs.
[13:13] <hyper__ch> no clue... never used cvs
[13:14] <hyper__ch> are there official kde4 repos for hardy?
[13:14] <mohbana> cvs is not gui based is it?
[13:16] <hyper__ch> there are cvs gui tools
[13:16] <hyper__ch> did you search the repos?
[13:19] <bSON> has anybody got vmware player to work on hardy? i get an error when trying to build the kernel module: conflicting types for ‘uintptr_t’
[13:19] <shirish> mohbana: there is gcvs as well as some other ones which are shown there.
[13:20] <hyper__ch> bSON: tried the version in the gutsy partner repos?
[13:20] <bSON> hyper__ch: no haven't done so yet, but don't they ship with a pre-built module for the gutsy kernel?
[13:20] <hyper__ch> bSON: dunno
[13:21] <hyper__ch> bSON: I'm currently using also the gutsy medibuntu repos
[13:21] <bSON> hyper__ch: i'll have to look i guess.. thanks
[13:21] <hyper__ch> bSON: but you could be right about it
[13:22] <mohbana> i forgot to mention i want to manage a remote repo
[13:25] <hyper__ch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4300876
[13:25] <hyper__ch> bSON: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4300876
[13:27] <bSON> hyper__ch: these are several other problems... but thanks anyway, i might add mine too
[13:27] <hyper__ch> once you got it working, post how :)
[13:33] <bSON> ok i'll do ;)
[13:34] <mohbana> someone please help how do i get ccess to a remote cvs so i can delete certain projects i just need a gui front end
[13:34] <hyper__ch> I tend to think you shouldn't be able to delete certain commits
[13:35] <mohbana> i am using eclipse is there a way i can complete overwrite a certain project with what i have in my workspace
[13:38] <mohbana> ok fixed
[13:38] <mohbana> :)
[13:51] <hyper__ch> what's kdebase-bin-kde3 needed for?
[13:59] <gilster> can someone give me a hand with DVD-RAM writing in ubuntu?
[14:00] <hyper__ch> gilster: what's the problem?
[14:01] <gilster> hyper_ch: i got a DVD-RAM disc i want to be able to format it in standard UDF so i can click and drag files to it and burn them on-thefly
[14:05] <hyper__ch> gilster: never tried that
[14:05] <hyper__ch> gilster: and yu mean you got a dvd-rw dics ;) ram and rw are not the same ;)
[14:06] <gilster> NO
[14:06] <gilster> i mean i have DVD-RAM discs
[14:07] <hyper__ch> there are no dvd-ram discs ;)
[14:09] <gilster> what? what are you talking about....
[14:09] <gilster> i got a pack of DVD-RAM discs. what are you going on about.
[14:09] <hyper__ch> gilster: dvd-rw yes, dvd-ram no
[14:09] <gilster> listen DVD-RAM not DVD-RW
[14:10] <hyper__ch> whatever
[14:12] <gilster> if you dont know the answer just tell me you dont know.... dont say there are no DVD-RAM discs that makes you look like an idiot
[14:13] <gilster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM
[14:18] <gilster> ok, so, does anyone here have experience with the old  DVD-RAM discs
[14:18] <gilster> ?
[14:24] <gilster> hyper__ch: in case you missed that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM
[14:25] <assasukasse> Hi everyone, does anyone know if the package sl-modem-source has been fixed in hardy? is from gutsy tribe 2 that i can't compile it..
[14:48] <cwillu> assasukasse, checked launchpad?
[14:49] <assasukasse> cwillu: yes, there is a bug there that is open from ages
[14:49] <assasukasse> seems the package maintainer left or is unavailable..
[14:49] <assasukasse> and the package has a compilation error from about 4 months
[14:53] <theunixgeek> I followed http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/ to remove KDE  apps from the GNOME menus and vice versa; how do I undo it.
[14:54] <theunixgeek> ?
[14:55] <qzio> hm.. is firefox super-slow only for me?
[14:55] <qzio> new fresh alpha 4 install, firefox/firefox-3.0 is ultraslow, like it's on swap or somthing..
[14:56] <qzio> when i rotate the cube and enters a workspace where i have a firefox window, it laggs
[14:56] <qzio> rotate any other window, mutiple terminals etc its smooth and with out lag
[15:25] <muesli> hey guys
[15:26] <muesli> i noticed that my system couldn't boot since 2.6.24-3 anymore
[15:26] <muesli> it spits out a couple of ata related errors and mentions that it disables irq #18 (libata)
[15:26] <muesli> it eventually fails mounting the root device
[15:27] <muesli> i added acpi=off to the kernel options which made it boot again
[15:28] <qzio> anyone else have a laggy firefox when using compiz, but normal when not?
[15:28] <qzio> 3d acc is spelndid, but firefox is superslow when i set visual effects
[16:29] <Assid> heya
[16:56] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi does anybody else have sound problems with alpha4 and audigy2 pci card ?
[17:26] <mohbana> why do i keep having to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i upgrade? this is going to be fixed in future releases?
[17:27] <lz7> i doubt it will be fixed, cuz this is by design
[17:28] <lz7> i dont know a details however
[17:28] <lz7> and, this is only applies to kernel updates
[17:31] <hyper__ch> is ubuntuforums down?
[17:32] <robogeek> is anybody here familiar with hald & nis & autofs on hardy heron?
[17:38] <enyc> robogeek: ooer sounds fiddly ;-)  no not me ;-)
[17:38] <robogeek> hmm....
[17:39] <robogeek> I have an NIS/Autofs setup I copied from 7.10 to 8.04a4 and on 8.04a4 the system goes direct into high load average
[17:44] <Assid> heya
[17:49] <hyper__ch> local root-exploit for linux 2.6.17 to 2.6.24.1 and 2.6.23.15 --> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/10/8
[17:50] <lz7> yeah tested that yestarday. looking like improvement for me, really tired of typing sudo lol
[17:51] <hyper__ch> ;)
[17:57] <Assid> w00t.. a few dozen crash reports sent this week
[17:58] <Assid> am uploading a 20odd mb crash report as we speak
[17:58] <hyper__ch> wohoo, I'm a cousin of Angelina Jolie, Claudia Schiffer.....
[17:58] <Assid> hahaha
[17:59] <hyper__ch> well, there's a report on TV in which two danes claim that all people with blue eyes are related :)
[17:59] <Assid> if we follow that.. everyones related thanks to adam and eve
[18:00] <hyper__ch> Assid: well, there's no scientific proof yet for that
[18:00] <Assid> err.. how do i make a shell script that opens a terminal (if someone clicks it from the gui)
[18:01] <Assid> besides the button that says "open in terminal" when you run a shell script
[18:01] <hyper__ch> #!/bin/bash
[18:01] <hyper__ch> konsole
[18:01] <hyper__ch> or make a linker with "konsole"
[18:02] <Assid> hrmm lemme try
[18:03] <hyper__ch> Assid: got it already
[18:03] <hyper__ch> Assid: got dcc enabled?
[18:03] <Assid> yes
[18:03] <Assid> im trying to make it ssh to my servers
[18:04] <hyper__ch> oh, this only opens a terminal windows
[18:05] <Assid> Timeout error
[18:05] <Assid>  
[18:05] <Assid> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[18:05] <Assid> wtf.. i just uploaded 20 megs
[18:05] <Assid> where did that go
[18:05] <hyper__ch> ubuntuforums is also down
[18:05] <hyper__ch> dunno if that is related
[18:06] <Assid> probably..
[18:06] <hyper__ch> well, you can link that starter to a shell script which then opens up a ssh connection
[18:07] <Assid> so 2 shellscripts
[18:07] <hyper__ch> in the advanced tab I just checked open in terminal and to keep the terminal open
[18:07] <hyper__ch> no, what I've sent you is not a shellscript at all
[18:07] <Assid> just reported a reproducable bug
[18:07] <hyper__ch> it's just a command "konsole" to be executed
[18:07] <hyper__ch> and instead of just executing "konsole" you could link it to a shell scirp:   sh /path/to/actual/script.sh
[18:07] <nanonyme> konsole probably has some -c or something which lets you give it command line, right?
[18:08] <nanonyme> as in "run this command inside konsole"
[18:12] <Assid> okay got it.. launcher with terminal does the job
[18:19] <mohbana> why do i keep having to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i upgrade? this is going to be fixed in future releases?
[18:19] <Assid> err.. why cant i right click and create a new launcher from INSIDE nautilis ?
[18:20] <hyper__ch> Assid: because nautilus sux ;)
[18:20] <hyper__ch> Assid: btw, that launcher that I sent you is for KDE ^^ forgot, this is an all *buntu channel
[18:21] <Assid> hyper__ch: err. i made my own by rightclicking on the desktop
[18:21] <hyper__ch> Assid: ^^
[18:22] <Assid> am not using the file you sent me
[18:22] <hyper__ch> Assid: there should be somewhere an option to run it in a terminal and leave the terminal open
[18:22] <Assid> hyper__ch: yeah i got that part
[18:22] <Assid> but i cant make launchers from nautilis.. documents and folders only
[18:22] <hyper__ch> Assid: then you just need to link it a bash script that does what you want
[18:22] <hyper__ch> Assid: nautilus sux... told you so before ;)
[18:22] <Assid> hyper__ch: i got all that.. im good to go
[18:22] <Assid> hrmm
[18:22]  * Assid goes to rant to the gnome people
[18:23] <DanaG> Rant about what?  Sorry, I just entered.
[18:23] <hyper__ch> when I had Gnome I still used Konqueror all the time
[18:23] <hyper__ch> huhu DanaG
[18:27] <WorkingOnWise> anyone here know how I can get Croquet in a deb for Hardy AMD64?
[18:28] <hyper__ch> no
[18:28] <Assid> uhho.. i killed 1 server
[18:36] <hyper__ch> damn, difficult decision to make...
[18:48] <DanaG> argh, no news on my keyboard bug.
[18:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:55] <hyper__ch> the US has legalized p2p bittorrent traffic shaping
[18:55] <hyper__ch> so much for the land of the "free"
[18:55] <DanaG> "Since I see many comments about people losing e-mails and other sorts of data due to this bug, I believe this bug should be marked as at least high priority."
[18:56] <DanaG> I wish ISPs would do this:
[18:56] <DanaG> say, "Hey, run bittorrent on specific port X, and we'll set it to low-priority -- and in exchange, we won't actually throttle it".
[18:57] <DanaG> That way torrents take low priority to make it more fair, but you don't get explicitly choked.
[18:57] <hyper__ch> ISPs shouldn't seem it necessary to trhottle p2p traffic at all
[18:58] <hyper__ch> in the end they have a contract with the customer over bandwidth usages
[18:58] <hyper__ch> if the contract says 10mbit down and 2 mbit upload then the isp must be able to provide that
[18:58] <hyper__ch> overbooking of their pipes can't be blamed to customers
[18:59] <hyper__ch> other traffic will also increase... online streaming of music and videos and stuff... and as that is legal - they don't have an excuse for throttling that anymore
[18:59] <hyper__ch> while the web used to be irc, email and webpages with a few images 5 years ago
[19:00] <DanaG> I can apply their "Up To" logic to myself:
[19:00] <DanaG> I can run up to 50 miles per hour........
[19:00] <DanaG> but only if going straight down.
[19:00] <DanaG> It's just as valid as some ISPs' speed claims.
[19:00] <hyper__ch> things have changed.... you can get video streaming from most websites... news sites... sites like youtube....
[19:01] <hyper__ch> sweden is pretty avantgard their
[19:01] <hyper__ch> in the cities cable customers get 100mbit connectiosn with no throttling
[19:01] <hyper__ch> the swedish ISPs have seen the need of high speed bandwidth and have acted upon that
[19:02] <hyper__ch> all others that will not satisfy their customers needs will lose customers
[19:02] <ethana3> so i should consider moving to sweden
[19:02] <hyper__ch> sweden is nice
[19:02] <ethana3> as well as korea, japan, or israel..  got it
[19:02] <alex_mayorga> one more reason
[19:02] <hyper__ch> japan would be also nice
[19:02] <hyper__ch> dunno about korea or israel
[19:03] <johnny> korea had the best penetration last i heard
[19:03] <johnny> across all
[19:03] <DanaG> Oh hell, I just want 10 / 10 up/down megabits.
[19:03] <alex_mayorga> anyone with functional bluetooth?
[19:03] <johnny> maybe it's changed
[19:03] <hyper__ch> wasn't there a guy who fell into a coma because of playing too much WOW?
[19:03] <DanaG> I use bluetooth.
[19:03] <hyper__ch> I got 20/2 mbit
[19:03] <hyper__ch> I'd also prefer 10/10
[19:04] <DanaG> I now have 5mbit down, 512kibit up.
[19:04] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, how did you fix the "Couldn't display "obex://" ?
[19:04] <DanaG> Hold on, let me try it.
[19:04] <DanaG> ...if I can find my bluetooth adapter, that is.
[19:04] <alex_mayorga> I get that whenever I try to browse my phone
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> 1Mb/256Kb here
[19:05] <hyper__ch> why not use USB for the phone for browsing?
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> so don't move to Mexico
[19:05] <hyper__ch> well, mexico is warmer than switzerland ;) and it has smoe nice beaches
[19:05] <alex_mayorga> hyper_ch, because it does have bluetooth and so does the laptop :)
[19:06] <alex_mayorga> and also where supposed to be testing this new animal :S
[19:06] <hyper__ch> but bluetooth is slow
[19:06] <DanaG> Couldn't display "obex://[00:1E:75:52:22:C8]/".
[19:06] <DanaG> damn.
[19:06] <alex_mayorga> thanks on confirmin :)
[19:07] <johnny> is that a gio thing?
[19:07] <DanaG> But for USB, you have to pay the **** provider.
[19:07] <hyper__ch> DanaG: pay the provider?
[19:07] <alex_mayorga> bug 148712
[19:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148712 in gnome-bluetooth "Gusty, Hardy: Not seeing bluetooth services even after pairing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148712
[19:08] <DanaG> Yeah, Verizon wants 20 or 30 bucks for a USB cable plus ringtone software, for my phone.
[19:08] <DanaG> I refuse to pay that.  Instead, I got myself a bluetooth adapter.
[19:08] <alex_mayorga> yay, those pesky propietr+ay cables
[19:08] <alex_mayorga> at least bluetooth is a standard of sorts
[19:10] <DanaG> That bug report doesn't say anything about the new gio.
[19:10] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, any tips?
[19:10] <alex_mayorga> ??
[19:11] <DanaG> That's actually a different issue.
[19:11] <johnny> well browsing remote things still isn't completely fixed in nautilus
[19:11] <johnny> thus why i mentioend it
[19:11] <DanaG> "Not Available" is about the phone failing to respond properly, or something.
[19:11] <hyper__ch> DanaG: here you get all this included
[19:11] <DanaG> This is about a plugin not working in Nautilus.
[19:11] <hyper__ch> DanaG: and no carrier lock either
[19:11] <hyper__ch> DanaG: I think I should still have 2 SE USB cables
[19:12] <alex_mayorga> I've installed every obex package I found and is sill a no go
[19:12] <alex_mayorga> hyper_ch, would you ship one to .mx?
[19:12] <johnny> i can't even get xnest working as another user atm :(
[19:12] <johnny> i just want to test a gnome bug
[19:12] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what is HDSPA?  I was looking at notebooks yesterday, and saw that the Asus V2S has a slot for a SIM, so you can use hdspa.
[19:12] <hyper__ch> want to test a root exploit?
[19:13] <johnny> i type Xnest -ac :1
[19:13] <DanaG> Workaround for the bluetooth: use konqueror.
[19:13] <johnny> and it says Unable to open display "".
[19:13] <DanaG> gdmflexiserver --xnest
[19:13] <johnny> that's not feasible
[19:13] <johnny> sabayon uses xnest directly
[19:13] <johnny> and that worked fine in the last ubuntu
[19:14] <johnny> but i'm having trouble with gnome-settings-daemon in gnome 2.21 on gentoo, so i wanted to test that in hardy, but i can't get that far yet
[19:14] <johnny> running in an xnest that is
[19:14] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, please update the above bug as you see fit, functional bluetooth would be nice in hardy
[19:15] <alex_mayorga> johnny, the keyboard defaulting to USA?
[19:15] <johnny> huh?
[19:16] <alex_mayorga> that was/is the gnome-settings bugger biting me Bug #187969
[19:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187969 in gnome-control-center "Cannot select default keyboard layout in gnome-keyboard-properties" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187969
[19:16] <johnny> no. i'm not that far yet
[19:16]  * DanaG likes gucharmap.
[19:16] <alex_mayorga> never mind
[19:16] <johnny> i'm trying to see if gnome-settings-daemon itself segfaults
[19:16] <johnny> in the xnest
[19:17] <DanaG> I was able to find characters to set this as my status in pidgin:
[19:17] <johnny> but i can't get the xnest itself to open
[19:17] <DanaG> "Mmm, tetris.  ▟▘▗▙ ▝▙ ▗▟  ▙▖ ▄▄  █ "
[19:19] <shirish> what's the command to see what recent updates/upgrades I have done?
[19:19] <DanaG> OH yeah, workaround for nautilus bluetooth: use konqueror and kdebluetooth.
[19:20] <alex_mayorga> DanaG, I'll try that
[19:20] <alex_mayorga> bye for now
[19:21] <shirish> DanaG: isn't there some apt-cache command to see what files were updated/upgraded in the recent past?
[19:22] <hyper__ch> shirish: the apt-log
[19:23] <shirish> hyper__ch: can u be more clear, is there a command called apt-log? Or is this a package which needs to be installed?
[19:23] <hyper__ch> shirish: check the log files for apt
[19:30] <shirish> hyper__ch: thanx, did that, did the trick :)
[19:35] <DanaG> I usually use aptitude when adding and removing stuff; that way, it actually gets logged in /var/log/aptitude .
[19:40] <Assid> err quick question
[19:40] <Assid> why does synaptic have the ubuntu logo on some of the packages
[19:41] <hyper__ch> to make them look nicer?
[19:41] <hyper__ch> but then I'd say it's for marking gnome specific packages
[19:42] <Assid> how is postgresql gnome specific ?
[19:42] <FliesLikeABrick> it might mean that it comes from main, so is therefore supported
[19:42] <FliesLikeABrick> as opposed to coming from universe, multiverse, partner or something else
[19:43] <johnny> it's prolly for packages that don't have their own icons.
[19:43] <Assid> johnny: nope
[19:43] <FliesLikeABrick> a way to find out would be to disable all of your repositories except main and see if all of the packages in the list have the icon
[19:43] <johnny> and come from main
[19:43] <Assid> thinking if i should install postgres from source or from repositories
[19:44] <FliesLikeABrick> generally the binaries in packages are more optimized than if you made it from source
[19:44] <Assid> more optimized?
[19:44] <Assid> i actually export cpuflags :P
[19:44] <FliesLikeABrick> I don't know the specifics, but it is the impression that I have
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> you could always benchmark it and find out if there's a difference between the two ;)
[19:45] <johnny> that's not the truth
[19:45] <johnny> they are compiled with very realistic flags that work for most people
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> I don't mean for all packages, I mean for DMBS in specific
[19:45] <johnny> not the most optimized ones
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> DBMS rather
[19:45] <johnny> but you prolly won't notice the difference
[19:45] <FliesLikeABrick> yeah, I agree
[19:46] <johnny> so anybody else here have xnest working while su to another user?
[19:52] <DanaG> Argh, I was having that damn "load cycle count" go up by one, about every 5 seconds.
[19:52] <DanaG> I had to edit power.sh to use 255 to disable APM.
[19:53] <hyper__ch> who thinks rTorrent is the best client?
[19:58] <DanaG> pdflush and kblockd and 'swapper' keep doing something with my hard drive.
[19:58] <DanaG> I don't know what that "something" is, though.
[19:59] <DanaG> Oh, and kjournald, too.
[19:59] <hyper__ch> strange
[20:00] <DanaG> I have root mounted with 'commit=900' (seconds), which is 15 minutes.
[20:01] <johnny> uggh.. time to get ready to work :(
[20:06] <shazow> hiya, I just did a fresh install of the latest kubuntu hardy, and kdm loads fine, but when i log in, at "initializing system services", it fails with the error "Could not start ksmserver"
[20:09] <johnny> is there a reason everybody is trying to use hardy at this point? if they aren't trying to fix the bugs?
[20:09] <shazow> fun and profit :P
[20:09] <shazow> and my gutsy install was borked, so i figured..
[20:10] <shazow> (same problem, incidentally, but i didn't have the error message with gutsy)
[20:10] <johnny> the devs have enough bugs to deal with i'm sure
[20:11] <johnny> i know why i'm trying to test hardy, since i'm helping maintain a gnome application
[20:13] <shazow> well, i doubt most people's motives for trying the latest and greatest are selfless.
[20:13] <DanaG> I wish that keyboard stuckage would be fixage'd.
[20:13] <johnny> well most people are just causing problems for the devs then :)
[20:14] <shazow> if no one did this, then the final release would be super buggy.
[20:14] <johnny> that's for beta time :)
[20:14] <Artimus> Anyone mess around with ufw (the iptables frontend) in Hardy yet?  I compiled it for Feisty, it seems rather nice.
[20:15] <Artimus> err...  Gutsy, not Feisty
[20:15] <johnny> otherwise tons of unnecessary dupes get filed
[20:15] <shazow> is there a beta? I only recall alpha's and release candidates
[20:15] <johnny> not yet
[20:15] <shazow> i mean in prior history of ubuntu/kubuntu releases
[20:15] <Assid> always some betas
[20:15] <shazow> ah i guess i missed them
[20:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[20:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:17] <shazow> alright, back to gutsy i go
[20:17] <Assid> DanaG: you still waiitng?
[20:17] <DanaG> aaaaaaargh, I haven't been able to use compiz for a few weeks, due to this bug.
[20:18] <DanaG> No new posts.
[20:18] <Assid> hehe
[20:18] <DanaG> It was new as of some Xorg update.
[20:25] <shazow> now if only i had a gutsy livecd..
[21:04] <DanaG> I really could use some help with that keyboard bug.
[21:14] <cwillu> !autofsck
[21:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autofsck - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:14] <cwillu> Anybody know if anybody is working on a replacement?
[21:19] <awalton__> why is a replacement needed, the old one break?
[21:32] <aLeSD> hey hi
[21:58] <VanDyke> anyone here tried installing hardy on software raid ?
[22:03] <bardyr> yep
[22:04] <VanDyke> I did it here yesterday, and I was wondering if somebody else had the same problems on installation
[22:04] <VanDyke> normal mode just wouldn't work
[22:11] <bardyr> VanDyke, i didnt notice any problems
[22:14] <emet> !info restricted-manager
[22:14] <ubotu> Package restricted-manager does not exist in hardy
[22:14] <emet> hmmmmmmmmmm ?
[22:14] <DanaG> It's now called "Jockey" ... as in, a horse 'driver'.
[22:15] <emet> oh
[22:15] <emet> !info jockey
[22:15] <ubotu> Package jockey does not exist in hardy
[22:15] <selckin> !info jockey-common
[22:15] <ubotu> jockey-common (source: jockey): user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 37 kB, installed size 864 kB
[22:15] <emet> right
[22:16] <emet> it has a lower version then restricted-manager?
[22:16] <emet> !info restricted-manager gutsy
[22:16] <ubotu> restricted-manager (source: restricted-manager): manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB
[22:16] <emet> I'm going to assume jockey-common is better developed ?
[22:17] <selckin> the name is cooler, what more do you want
[22:17] <emet> lol
[22:17] <VanDyke> hahaha
[22:42] <Noq^> Hi! What kernel will hadry use.. There is serious kernel exploin which i have found now and it affects kernels from 2.6.17 to 2.6.24.1 which i think is the latest one
[22:43] <bardyr> Noq^, what exploit?
[22:44] <Noq^> bardyr: its local root exploit
[22:44] <bardyr> Noq^, then report it on launchpad
[22:44] <bardyr> and lkml
[22:44] <bardyr> and sudo is not a exploit :D
[22:44] <Noq^> :-d
[22:44] <Noq^> where is lkml
[22:44] <Noq^> ?
[22:45] <bardyr> lkml.org
[22:46] <Noq^> thanx
[22:46] <Noq^> bardyr: are u working with kernel?
[22:47] <bardyr> Noq^, nope
[22:47] <Noq^> oki :-d
[22:49] <Noq^> bardyr: someone was faster to report them =)
[22:49] <bardyr> Bug #190587 ?
[22:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190587 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Local root exploit in kernel 2.6.17 - 2.6.24 (vmsplice)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190587
[22:49] <atrus> haha, the exploit actually works on my hardy laptop.
[22:50] <Noq^> yes
[22:50] <Noq^> bardyr: that one
[22:50] <Noq^> and one more
[22:50] <Noq^> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092
[22:50] <Noq^> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5093
[22:50] <Noq^> those two
[22:51] <cyphase> How hard would it be for Xorg to auto config dual monitors the same way it auto configs everything else now?
[22:53] <Noq^> whats even more annoying is that you need to reconfigure xorg manually when u buy bigger screen
[22:54] <Noq^> a friend of mine has huge problems. he just got 24" and its imposible to get right resolution
[22:54] <Noq^> but it worked nicely with 19"
[23:05] <DanaG> Argh, multimedia keys aren't working with Exaile.
[23:07] <hydrogen> dood
[23:07] <hydrogen> you could have easily expressed that
[23:07] <hydrogen> by just saying
[23:07] <hydrogen> "exaile"
[23:07] <hydrogen> and we all would have known what you meant
[23:07] <lz7> npviewer.bin
[23:07] <VanDyke> hahah
[23:10] <DanaG> Huh, I think I missed your joke, or whatever.
[23:20] <RAOF> DanaG: Nor with Banshee.  gnome-settings-daemon's MMKeys interface has changed.
[23:21] <DanaG> Damn.
[23:21] <DanaG> oops, swearing.
[23:23] <DanaG> Also, "Open Terminal" hotkey doesn't do anything.
[23:23] <crimsun> hmm.
[23:24] <crimsun> I wish people actually inspected these patches.  :(
[23:24] <DanaG> Is there any way to get Xorg to poll for key releases instead of relying on events?  It seems to be somehow missing key-up events.
[23:25] <DanaG> ... and having the 'super' key stuck down renders Xorg pretty useless.
[23:25] <crimsun> RAOF: thanks for the alsa-plugins biarch work.  The buffoonery with pkg-config looks pretty nasty.
[23:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that reminds me: I was looking at laptops again, and I found some Asus one that looks pretty nice.  I'd still wait until summer, but I'm curious now: do you have any experience with Asus notebooks and Linux?
[23:26] <RAOF> crimsun: It's better than what I was originally doing, which was re-writing the pkg-config files rather than providing .so symlinks. :)
[23:27] <RAOF> crimsun: Are you able to apply it to Hardy's alsa-plugins?  Or possibly test that it doesn't break on i386 hardy; I haven't done that yet.
[23:29] <atrus> DanaG: yeah, i was having that key-stuck problem with compiz. not sure what it was.
[23:29] <DanaG> It started in the latest few weeks.
[23:30] <crimsun> RAOF: I'll queue it for my hardening-wrapper test this evening
[23:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, another audio question: do you happen to know what the "ALC660VM" is?  I'm curious whether it's a 6-channel chip.
[23:30] <RAOF> crimsun: Yay!
[23:30] <DanaG> I can't find any specs.
[23:31] <aLeSD> how can I know if the bluetooth works ?
[23:31] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, I have a bit of experience.  I believe I mentioned they're a bit ... interesting.
[23:31] <DanaG> Hmm, that's what's in the Asus V1S I'm considering.
[23:32] <DanaG> ... as long as the performance ratio of  Go 8600 / Go 8800  is reasonably close to the ratio of 7600 / 7800.
[23:34] <DanaG> oops, s/VM/VD/
[23:36] <crimsun> it's actually 8-channel.
[23:36] <crimsun> whether it's enabled as 8 distinct, independent widgets is another story :)
[23:37] <DanaG> I guess I'd have to find the thing in a store, and test it there.
[23:37] <crimsun> well, the code currently slaves two sets of pins, so it only functions as 6-channel.
[23:38] <DanaG> The thing I dream of seeing in a notebook: separate front audio out, as in the Windows drivers on many desktops.
[23:40] <crimsun> I'm not sure what you mean.
[23:40] <crimsun> if you mean "have the front jacks" drive a different stream[set] from the non-front jacks", then that's already possible, albeit with /much/ hackery.
[23:41] <DanaG> That's what I mean.  It'd let me do what I currently do with sigmatel + audigy, with just the onboard.
[23:41] <crimsun> yes, that's already possible.
[23:41] <DanaG> It depends on the vendor, of course -- must have speakers not hard-wired to "front speakers" jack.
[23:42] <crimsun> change the pin_configs[] for the alc861vd, create a separate virtual config for front:, then run separate instances of pulseaudio per-virtual device
[23:42] <DanaG> I'd have to wait until I get such a device; it'll probably still be only in the summer.\
[23:42] <ethana3> our D830 has seperate headphones and speakers
[23:43] <crimsun> doesn't matter at all if it's hardwired, actually.  You can just create a separate overlay with a different pin_config[].
[23:43] <crimsun> (this is the ultimate flexibility with alsa-lib's ttables)
[23:44] <crimsun> (and arguably the sole point that made alsa-lib worthwhile prior to OSSv4)
[23:46] <DanaG> Hmm, but if the built-in speakers and the jack are wired together, wouldn't you lose that jack's ability to be separate?