| jscinoz | when the topic says "DO NOT RUN HARDY" is that saying something is majorly borked atm? o r was it meant to say "do not run hardy on production machines" | 00:48 |
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| selckin | read the parts before it | 00:49 |
| coz_ | jscinoz, yeah if you are not sure of how to resolve dependencies then........ | 00:49 |
| jscinoz | ah :P | 00:49 |
| coz_ | jscinoz, i am running hardy at this moment | 00:50 |
| jscinoz | i'd probably be running hardy atm, but i hear that audio is kinda borked because the switch from alsa to pulse isnt finished | 00:50 |
| === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK | ||
| RAOF | jscinoz: That'd be incorrect. There isn't a switch from ALSA to pulseaudio. There's a switch from ESD (which practically nobody used) to PulseAudio (which is now enabled). | 00:58 |
| jscinoz | ah | 00:59 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: Although technically it is a switch from ALSA to Pulseaudio since everything just used ALSA directly rather than deal with ESD :P | 01:28 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Heh. | 01:29 |
| FliesLikeABrick | is anyone here running hardy on an Eee, or any other machine with an Attansic L2 ethernet adapter, for that matter? | 01:29 |
| WorkingOnWise | how do I disable Composite in X so Compiz-Fusion will not work? | 01:29 |
| FliesLikeABrick | why not just turn off compiz-fusion in your preferences | 01:30 |
| FliesLikeABrick | ? | 01:30 |
| Amaranth | WorkingOnWise: just login to a failsafe GNOME session and turn it off | 01:30 |
| DarkMageZ | WorkingOnWise, or Section "Extensions" | 01:30 |
| DarkMageZ | Option"Composite""0" | 01:30 |
| DarkMageZ | EndSection in xorg.conf | 01:30 |
| RAOF | But then you won't be able to use Metacity's new compositor :) | 01:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | FliesLikeABrick: I turned it off 3 times by selecting Metacity as and GTK, but every login CF is back on. | 01:31 |
| FliesLikeABrick | When I upgraded from 2.6.24-4-generic to anything newer, support for my ethernet card disappeared | 01:31 |
| FliesLikeABrick | what source package would that bug get reported to? | 01:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | DarkMageZ: I think thats what I'm looking for. Thanks | 01:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | DarkMageZ: would that go in Section "Device"? | 01:33 |
| Amaranth | WorkingOnWise: no, it is a separate section of its own | 01:34 |
| WorkingOnWise | Amaranth: what do I call the section? | 01:34 |
| DarkMageZ | WorkingOnWise, see how i declare a section. then declare a variable and its number then close it? | 01:35 |
| WorkingOnWise | all the sections begin with Section "SomeName" | 01:35 |
| WorkingOnWise | I was under the impression that all sections had to have a name, then the declaration, and then EndSection | 01:37 |
| lime4x4 | is there a problem with the forcedeth.ko module? | 01:42 |
| FliesLikeABrick | what package should I put a bug in for if a module hasn't been working >= 2.6.24-5-generic ? | 01:48 |
| davide | excuse me I installed hardy and there is a new entry in the grub menu: there are both the usual kernel-...-generic and kernel-...-386. What is the last one? It doesn't boot if I run the 386 one. Thank you | 02:10 |
| cwillu | !motd | 02:14 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 02:14 |
| cwillu | davide, this probably doesn't help you now, but the motd is apropos | 02:15 |
| davide | sorry, I didn't understand what you said | 02:17 |
| cwillu | """If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependancies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY""" | 02:18 |
| cwillu | That said, the generic kernel is the one you want | 02:19 |
| scizzo- | well one more reason to wish for 2.6.24.1 to enter hardy | 02:19 |
| scizzo- | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704 | 02:19 |
| cwillu | and I hope you're interested in having a bunch of learning experiences from here until hardy goes final in march :p | 02:19 |
| cwillu | scizzo-, it'll go in as far as I know | 02:20 |
| scizzo- | well good to know its a local exploit | 02:20 |
| scizzo- | not a remote one | 02:20 |
| cwillu | doesn't take much to turn a local exploit into a remote exploit though | 02:20 |
| scizzo- | true | 02:22 |
| cwillu | they have patches against 2.6.22 as well, so I'd expect to see gutsy, fiesty, etc updates pretty quick | 02:23 |
| FliesLikeABrick | what are you guys talking about? I missed the beginning of the topic | 02:24 |
| DoYouKnow | is there a problem in hardy where the installation window goes off the edge of the screen? | 03:02 |
| DoYouKnow | I am using vmware workstation 6 | 03:05 |
| DoYouKnow | still figuring out if this is the guest os or the virtual machine that's causing this... | 03:05 |
| * cyphase just looked at xorg.conf in hardy | 03:13 | |
| cyphase | very empty :) | 03:13 |
| cyphase | anyone know if anyone is working on displayconfig-gtk for hardy? | 03:16 |
| DanaG | I wish some official developer would comment on the the keyboard-stuckage (yes, I know that's not a real word) bug. | 03:40 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 | 03:42 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 03:42 |
| ethana2 | it's official: the drivers for the Brother BCP-7020 printer are borked | 04:04 |
| ethana2 | DCP-7020* | 04:04 |
| === bmk789_ is now known as bmk789 | ||
| starscalling | ok | 05:20 |
| starscalling | doing upgrade process via apt-get upgrade and now sudo broken - any anything useing it | 05:20 |
| starscalling | ; ; | 05:20 |
| starscalling | !sudo | 05:20 |
| ubotu | sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. | 05:20 |
| starscalling | grar | 05:20 |
| johnny | hi, anybody here able to run Xnest in hardy? | 05:27 |
| bullgard4 | Does dhelp work all right in Hardy? (It does not seem to output any results in Gutsy.) | 06:01 |
| nekostar | Removing sun-java6-bin ... | 06:02 |
| nekostar | /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png is not a directory | 06:02 |
| nekostar | dpkg: error processing sun-java6-bin (--remove): | 06:02 |
| nekostar | subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 | 06:02 |
| nekostar | solution: sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png && sudo apt-get --purge remove sun-java6-bin | 06:02 |
| bullgard4 | !punctuation | nekostar | 06:03 |
| ubotu | nekostar: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 06:03 |
| nekostar | ~_~ | 06:04 |
| nekostar | not appropriate for that | 06:04 |
| johnny | yeah.. i agree | 06:04 |
| johnny | people misuse !puncuation in #ubuntu-* | 06:04 |
| nekostar | tell me about it | 06:04 |
| nekostar | and make that #ubuntu* | 06:04 |
| johnny | try | 06:04 |
| johnny | err true | 06:05 |
| nekostar | !punctuation > johnny | 06:05 |
| nekostar | >.> | 06:05 |
| johnny | i'm stymied everywhere i turn, to try to get sabayon working with 2.21 | 06:05 |
| johnny | and it's too late to switch sabayon to Xephyr | 06:05 |
| nekostar | mm | 06:06 |
| nekostar | played with it | 06:06 |
| nekostar | didnt see the point | 06:06 |
| johnny | the point of? | 06:06 |
| nekostar | sabayon | 06:06 |
| johnny | i use sabayon at our bookstore cofeehouse | 06:06 |
| johnny | it is good to maintain profiles for various user types | 06:07 |
| johnny | single user machines, not useful at all | 06:07 |
| nekostar | mm | 06:07 |
| nekostar | ok | 06:07 |
| nekostar | never tried doing that stuff - no one gets to use my compy but me :D | 06:07 |
| aLeSD | hi all | 06:48 |
| aLeSD | I have a problem with ubuntu 8.04 : the mixing sw doesn't work anymore | 06:49 |
| aLeSD | is alsa the soundsystem, isn't it ? | 06:50 |
| nekostar | grar~ | 07:20 |
| nekostar | seems nice | 07:20 |
| nekostar | compiz runs and loads faster | 07:20 |
| nekostar | ^_^ | 07:20 |
| aLeSD | nekostar: r u using an ATI ? | 07:20 |
| nekostar | i would say while not perfect my upgrade was fairly painless... and i had lots of non-vanilla-install packages in | 07:20 |
| nekostar | aLeSD no | 07:20 |
| nekostar | os[Linux 2.6.24-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[9 minutes] | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2160 @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 2690.119 MHz (10764.57 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 3080x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with dr | 07:20 |
| nekostar | iver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46] | 07:20 |
| nekostar | by default updating from gutsy it installed the i386 package | 07:21 |
| nekostar | but installed generic and vua la there were my cpu's :D | 07:21 |
| nekostar | tho sudo did break on the way in - spammed problem and solution a bit earlier - sun-java6-bin was looking for its icon to actually be a folder for some reason in the root of the /usr/share/icons folder so i made a folder called that and it seems to be perfectly happy now | 07:22 |
| nekostar | couple other little things - better take out libgpod etc before upgrading and i was good to go | 07:23 |
| nekostar | though ive yet to see a button to go from the add/remove applications >> synaptic.. | 07:24 |
| aLeSD | nekostar: does the sound sw mixing work for u ? | 07:26 |
| nekostar | aLeSD mm? | 07:27 |
| nekostar | i get sound yes | 07:27 |
| aLeSD | nekostar: two application in the samen time | 07:27 |
| nekostar | hm | 07:27 |
| aLeSD | cause in my case the use of the device is exclusive .... and I can't use more application ... :| | 07:28 |
| nekostar | yeah | 07:28 |
| nekostar | works fine | 07:28 |
| johnny | i've only got hardy in a vm | 07:28 |
| aLeSD | nekostar: what kind of hw ? | 07:29 |
| johnny | trying to test an xnest bug, but i can't even get it to work :) | 07:29 |
| nekostar | redo your sound | 07:29 |
| nekostar | its probably on oss | 07:29 |
| nekostar | make it into alsa | 07:29 |
| nekostar | aLeSD my sound card is audigy 2 | 07:29 |
| aLeSD | ah | 07:29 |
| nekostar | ive still not enough power with ym cpu tho | 07:29 |
| aLeSD | creative supports hw mixing | 07:29 |
| nekostar | 1.8ghz dual core c2d oc'd to 2.7 | 07:30 |
| nekostar | aLeSD yeah | 07:30 |
| aLeSD | my card not | 07:30 |
| nekostar | alsa-oss is a alsa wrapper for oss applications | 07:30 |
| ethana3 | PA can use all OSS and ALSA drivers, right? | 07:30 |
| aLeSD | yes ... but I'm using rhytmbox and audiology | 07:30 |
| aLeSD | they uses alsa | 07:30 |
| nekostar | change the driver they use | 07:30 |
| aLeSD | I think it's the change to portaudio | 07:31 |
| nekostar | set them up for oss | 07:31 |
| nekostar | and use the wrapper or so | 07:31 |
| nekostar | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation | 07:31 |
| nekostar | ~___~ | 07:31 |
| aLeSD | what is the alsa configuration file ? | 07:32 |
| aLeSD | s/what/where | 07:33 |
| nekostar | do you have the pulseaudio in? | 07:39 |
| nekostar | make sure to have pulseaudio-module-gonf and pulseaudio-module-hal | 07:39 |
| nekostar | mm | 07:39 |
| nekostar | seems to have problems with exclusive locks for dpkg/apt/ | 07:39 |
| aLeSD | hi again | 07:48 |
| ethana3 | hello | 07:49 |
| aLeSD | someone here has an ATI ? | 07:49 |
| ethana3 | i do | 07:49 |
| ethana3 | Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB | 07:50 |
| aLeSD | hey the audio works !!! ... I have to change all the output to pulseaudio ... | 07:50 |
| aLeSD | ethana3: does the 3d works for u ? | 07:51 |
| ethana3 | yes | 07:51 |
| ethana3 | pulse audio is the sound server in gutsy | 07:51 |
| ethana3 | where else are you going to send it? | 07:51 |
| ethana3 | right to the metal? for shame | 07:51 |
| ethana3 | aLeSD: what card do you have, by the way? | 07:52 |
| aLeSD | ethana3: to alsa directly | 07:52 |
| aLeSD | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250ù | 07:52 |
| aLeSD | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250 | 07:52 |
| ethana3 | ^_^ | 07:52 |
| aLeSD | ethana3: my problem is the kernel driver | 07:53 |
| ethana3 | I don't know what chipset that card uses.. | 07:53 |
| ethana3 | DRI module? | 07:53 |
| aLeSD | yes | 07:53 |
| ethana3 | ooohh.. I've never had a problem like that | 07:53 |
| aLeSD | the xorg module can't dind it | 07:53 |
| ethana3 | lsmod | grep dri | 07:53 |
| aLeSD | could u run a lsmod | grep fglrx | 07:53 |
| ethana3 | fglrx? good heavens no | 07:54 |
| crdlb | those cards use completely different drivers | 07:54 |
| ethana3 | I use radeon | 07:54 |
| ethana3 | oh they do? seriously? | 07:54 |
| crdlb | the 9200 cannot use fglrx, and the Xpress 1250 must use fglrx if you want real 3d support | 07:54 |
| ethana3 | uy | 07:54 |
| aLeSD | ok .. I'm using fglrx ... and before the turn to 8.04 it worked | 07:54 |
| ethana3 | that explains my problems.. | 07:54 |
| aLeSD | crdlb .. where is my fglrx.ko module ? | 07:55 |
| aLeSD | I can't find it in the restricted drivers package | 07:55 |
| crdlb | hiding in /lib/linux-restricted-modules | 07:55 |
| aLeSD | ehm | 07:55 |
| crdlb | it's supposed to be copied to /lib/modules/ at boot, but sometimes doesn't work, particularly if you tried using the ATI installer or envy | 07:56 |
| aLeSD | crdlb: I'm using only the ubuntu packages | 07:56 |
| aLeSD | crdlb | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | /usr/share | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | /usr/share/doc | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/copyright | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/changelog.gz | 07:58 |
| aLeSD | nothing more | 07:58 |
| crdlb | dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | 07:59 |
| aLeSD | wow | 07:59 |
| aLeSD | dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | grep fglrx | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/firegl_public.o | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC4 | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/fglrx.mod.o | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/modules.alias.override/fglrx | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | no .ko | 08:00 |
| aLeSD | crdlb: is it strange ? | 08:00 |
| RAOF | aLeSD: No, not at all. The restricted modules get linked on boot by l-r-m | 08:01 |
| aLeSD | RAOF: help | 08:02 |
| aLeSD | l-r-m | 08:02 |
| RAOF | linux-restricted-modules | 08:03 |
| aLeSD | I can't find in my system any fglrx.ko | 08:03 |
| RAOF | Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx? | 08:03 |
| RAOF | Was it at boot? | 08:03 |
| aLeSD | RAOF: yes ... I have it .. I have a strange symlink | 08:04 |
| aLeSD | look | 08:04 |
| aLeSD | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-12-30 05:47 /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1/fglrx.ko -> 2.6.x/fglrx.ko | 08:04 |
| aLeSD | it doesn't exist | 08:04 |
| RAOF | That's not an answer to my questions :) | 08:05 |
| aLeSD | ops | 08:05 |
| aLeSD | Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx? yes | 08:05 |
| RAOF | Also, I didn't know fglrx used dkms. | 08:05 |
| aLeSD | Was it at boot? what do u mean | 08:05 |
| RAOF | As in: have you changed it since you booted? | 08:06 |
| aLeSD | no | 08:06 |
| aLeSD | RAOF ... I need only my fglrx.ko | 08:06 |
| RAOF | Right. Finally, does /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common have anything in DISABLED_MODULES? | 08:06 |
| atrus | trying out compiz in hardy. it works graphically, except that it seems to often lock modifier keys like shift or super down, such that i have no way of releasing them and using the desktop normally anymore. | 08:07 |
| aLeSD | shit | 08:07 |
| aLeSD | DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx" | 08:07 |
| aLeSD | who did it ?? | 08:07 |
| RAOF | !ohmy | aLeSD | 08:07 |
| ubotu | aLeSD: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. | 08:07 |
| aLeSD | sorry | 08:07 |
| RAOF | Also, :P! | 08:08 |
| aLeSD | so I have to comment it out andreinstall restricted-modules .. ? | 08:08 |
| crdlb | no, just reboot | 08:08 |
| crdlb | or run: sudo lrm-manager | 08:09 |
| RAOF | aLeSD: Just remove fglrx from DISABLED_MODULES, and... or sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules start :) | 08:09 |
| aLeSD | crdlb: does it will compile the module ? | 08:09 |
| RAOF | Link it, yes. | 08:10 |
| aLeSD | lex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common restart | 08:13 |
| aLeSD | alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo lrm-manager | 08:13 |
| aLeSD | alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ modprobe fglrx | 08:13 |
| aLeSD | FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx | 08:13 |
| aLeSD | alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ lsmod | grep fglrx | 08:13 |
| aLeSD | RAOF: ... ok my way : where is the file that all the scripts have to link to ? | 08:14 |
| aLeSD | :° | 08:15 |
| RAOF | aLeSD: You probably need to modprobe -r the open-source kernel module. Or just reboot. | 08:15 |
| RAOF | It's (generally) not *necessary* to reboot, it can just be easier :) | 08:16 |
| aLeSD | I'll be back | 08:17 |
| aLeSD | RAOF: but pls ... could u tell me where is the module ? | 08:17 |
| aLeSD | no the link ... I want the .ko | 08:18 |
| DarkMageZ | RAOF, E: Couldn't find package ia64-libs | 08:18 |
| DarkMageZ | opps, wrong channel ッ | 08:18 |
| RAOF | Why would he want the .ko? | 08:19 |
| DarkMageZ | cause it's nessesary for fglrx to work | 08:20 |
| DarkMageZ | i thought that's what modprobe loaded | 08:20 |
| DarkMageZ | and what lrm put in the correct place when not disabled | 08:21 |
| fr500 | hey again | 08:21 |
| RAOF | Yeah, but he'd already got the module in the right place care of... oh, actually no. He didn't run what I told him to :) | 08:22 |
| aLeSD | ok ok | 08:22 |
| aLeSD | u win | 08:22 |
| aLeSD | I have 3d | 08:22 |
| aLeSD | thanks | 08:22 |
| crdlb | RAOF is made of win | 08:22 |
| RAOF | He's on FIRE! | 08:23 |
| DarkMageZ | i worry about RAOF's internet connection tho. bloody tpg :p | 08:23 |
| RAOF | Eh, not so bad. Not too expensive, fast enough. Generally. :) | 08:24 |
| DarkMageZ | staff no speak enlish | 08:24 |
| DarkMageZ | english* | 08:24 |
| fr500 | do you think there is a way to hook up a qvga screen to a normal pc as a display | 08:24 |
| fr500 | for experiments :p | 08:24 |
| RAOF | Oh, as long as the tubes are connected to me I need not speak to them! | 08:24 |
| DarkMageZ | i hope you pray often enough to make sure that happens. | 08:25 |
| aLeSD | alex@explorer:~$ compiz | 08:27 |
| aLeSD | Checking for Xgl: not present. | 08:27 |
| aLeSD | Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:05.0 0300: 1002:7942 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) | 08:27 |
| aLeSD | Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. | 08:27 |
| aLeSD | Trying again with indirect rendering: | 08:27 |
| aLeSD | Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. | 08:27 |
| DarkMageZ | i remember when i was with them... i remember the conversations i had with one of their level 2 support staff... | 08:27 |
| aLeSD | aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity | 08:27 |
| DarkMageZ | fglrx? not going to happen in hardy | 08:27 |
| DarkMageZ | aLeSD, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/173663 | 08:28 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Confirmed] | 08:28 |
| crdlb | install xserver-xgl | 08:28 |
| RAOF | DarkMageZ: I haven't had any problems with that, which is nice. | 08:28 |
| RAOF | Damnit! I *still* have to support Xgl? :( | 08:28 |
| crdlb | hehe | 08:28 |
| DarkMageZ | RAOF, no. feel free to drop the package. | 08:29 |
| * crdlb wonders if ATI will "fix" (I use this word loosely) fglrx in time for hardy | 08:29 | |
| DarkMageZ | is xorg server 1.4 officially released yet? NO | 08:29 |
| crdlb | ? | 08:29 |
| crdlb | it was officially released months ago | 08:30 |
| crdlb | in Xorg 7.3 | 08:30 |
| nekostar | o: | 08:30 |
| DarkMageZ | really? i though xorg server 1.3 was used in xorg 7.3. odd. | 08:30 |
| crdlb | no | 08:30 |
| nekostar | hardy is quite nice for the record | 08:30 |
| crdlb | they're out of sync | 08:30 |
| nekostar | stable enough to be called windows | 08:30 |
| nekostar | >_> | 08:30 |
| * nekostar runz | 08:30 | |
| DarkMageZ | nekostar, yeah. you better run. *shakes fist* | 08:31 |
| DarkMageZ | :p | 08:31 |
| aLeSD | DarkMageZ: so I have to wait or install xgl ? | 08:31 |
| crdlb | yup | 08:31 |
| DarkMageZ | aLeSD, there's always the 3'rd option | 08:32 |
| aLeSD | DarkMageZ: I'll love it | 08:32 |
| * crdlb isn't going to like this | 08:32 | |
| aLeSD | what about the 3rd ? | 08:32 |
| crdlb | (unless it's "go back to gutsy" :P) | 08:32 |
| DarkMageZ | aLeSD, hostage situation at ATi/AMD headquarters | 08:32 |
| crdlb | XD | 08:33 |
| johnny | now if only i could get Xnest working | 08:33 |
| aLeSD | :D | 08:33 |
| * crdlb was wrong | 08:33 | |
| johnny | so i can get my gnome app workin in a gnome 2.21 | 08:33 |
| aLeSD | I'll wait | 08:33 |
| DarkMageZ | :( no-one ever takes the 3'rd option | 08:33 |
| johnny | anybody here having Xnest working? | 08:33 |
| johnny | ultimately trying to test a gnome-settings-daemon bug | 08:34 |
| johnny | i have it replicated in my gentoo install | 08:34 |
| johnny | now i just need to see if it works in hardy | 08:34 |
| nekostar | mm really tho quite impressive | 08:36 |
| aLeSD | all is working ... less flash that doens't use pulseaudio and skype that doesn't use pulseaudio | 08:36 |
| nekostar | er... | 08:36 |
| * nekostar checks utub | 08:36 | |
| nekostar | mine's working | 08:37 |
| nekostar | but wow its ugly | 08:37 |
| nekostar | hm | 08:37 |
| nekostar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INttODEPzp0&eurl=http://www.inuyasha-lives.info/amazingvid/ Christianity Taught by an Atheist -Interview with an atheist bit shaky | 08:38 |
| aLeSD | nekostar: why did u disactivated the sw mixing in alsa ? | 08:39 |
| nekostar | ? | 08:39 |
| nekostar | i didnt | 08:39 |
| nekostar | i dont have to mess with that stuff | 08:39 |
| aLeSD | lol | 08:39 |
| aLeSD | why the alsa sw mixing is disactivated ? | 08:39 |
| DanaG | !info libflashsupport | 08:39 |
| ubotu | libflashsupport (source: libflashsupport): Support library for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB | 08:40 |
| DanaG | Oh, PulseAudio disables dmix so it can measure latency on various audio devices, for the sake of synchronization. | 08:40 |
| aLeSD | I mean all the application that support pulseaudio have sw mixing ... but the old ones no. | 08:40 |
| DanaG | Dmix would introduce a delay that PulseAudio wouldn't be able to measure. | 08:40 |
| aLeSD | DanaG: ah ... ok | 08:40 |
| DanaG | You can install libasound2-plugins and do asoundconf set-pulseaudio | 08:41 |
| DanaG | Be aware that some apps don't get along well with PulseAudio. | 08:41 |
| aLeSD | DanaG: is libasound2-plugins trasparent ? | 08:41 |
| DanaG | Look up "perfect setup" on the PulseAudio wiki. | 08:42 |
| DanaG | I have to go to bed now, though. | 08:42 |
| aLeSD | DanaG: thanks ... I'm just waking up | 08:42 |
| DanaG | Pacific timezone for me -- it's 1 AM. | 08:43 |
| DanaG | Or rather, 12:43. | 08:43 |
| nekostar | well the important part is my anime plays fine | 08:43 |
| nekostar | and now i go to darn bed | 08:43 |
| ethana3 | ^_^ | 08:44 |
| aLeSD | ok I will wait that skype and flash will use pulseaudio | 08:49 |
| aLeSD | can I return back to 7.10 ? | 08:49 |
| tumbleweed__ | nope | 08:56 |
| qzio | reinstall | 08:56 |
| aLeSD | no way. don't look back | 08:59 |
| aLeSD | wow vmware doesn't compile the module ... | 09:02 |
| sveri | hey folks, i installed hardy yesterday and it works great :-) | 09:47 |
| sveri | but if i want to install kde4-core it tells me kdebase-bin-kde3 will be removed, is that ok? | 09:47 |
| binskipy2u | anyone here using Ubuntu Ultimate? | 09:57 |
| === ktogias_ is now known as ktogias | ||
| qzio | hm, in gutsy - if you go change background -> vistual effect there is like a custom settings button | 10:05 |
| qzio | the thing isnt here in hardy (fresh install) | 10:05 |
| qzio | i want to change some settings for compiz/gnome | 10:06 |
| Airplane | hi all | 10:06 |
| === Airplane is now known as ^BiplanO^ | ||
| ^BiplanO^ | my gnome doesn't save my screen resolution settings and my keyboard layout settings! | 10:07 |
| qzio | ^BiplanO^: im using the default screen resolution, but i think i have the same problem with the layout (which im not using the default...) | 10:13 |
| ^BiplanO^ | I have to set them everytime I start gnome | 10:13 |
| ^BiplanO^ | moreover icons associated with file types don't work in nautilus | 10:15 |
| === _emgent is now known as emgent | ||
| Helvasca | Is it just me, or is batteryy life better in alpha 4? | 10:31 |
| ^BiplanO^ | Helvasca, maybe you stopped smoking | 10:32 |
| ^BiplanO^ | :p | 10:32 |
| Helvasca | lol | 10:33 |
| Gnine | system > administration > screen and graphics - no show | program crashes. native resolution of 1280x800 is lost after X restart. failure started after setting an external monitor on gateway mt-3422 using nvidia geforce go 6100 with restricted driver | 11:18 |
| Gnine | related to bug 188562 | 11:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 188562 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188562 | 11:22 |
| qzio | hm... compiz i.e the rotating cube works fine | 11:40 |
| qzio | but scrolling in firefox is dead slow | 11:40 |
| qzio | laggy | 11:40 |
| qzio | hmm http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHuawei_E220&ei=8uKuR6vlF5iYwwG_wfF6&usg=AFQjCNFGC6DtrdVo5TNeI8R9t-NMJIXcJA&sig2=MBdoFVbbaa--oaGG7niRew crashes for me 100% of the time | 11:41 |
| qzio | wtf? nm | 11:42 |
| cwillu | how do I use 'find' to list files _older_ than a certain number of days? I can't seem to get -mtime to do what I need | 12:09 |
| _Pete_ | howdy, hardy experts here ? I just upgraded to that and now the machien wont boot. The problem is that root = md0 and that's for somereason is not activated | 12:16 |
| _Pete_ | anyideas how to fix it ? | 12:16 |
| c1|freaky | _Pete_: u can edit grub menu entries | 12:29 |
| c1|freaky | there u can change the arguments given to the kernel, the partition and hd which is bootet from etc. | 12:30 |
| _Pete_ | c1|freaky: yes ? | 12:51 |
| _Pete_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102933 | 12:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 102933 in mdadm "/dev/md0 fails to mount on boot (dup-of: 103177)" [Undecided,Invalid] | 12:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 103177 in initramfs-tools "boot-time race condition initializing md" [Critical,Fix released] | 12:52 |
| _Pete_ | I think it's same bug | 12:52 |
| c1|freaky | oh ok | 12:52 |
| shirish | !topic | 12:55 |
| ubotu | Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic | 12:55 |
| shirish | guys, is Hardy in a soft freeze state or what? | 12:56 |
| hyper__ch | hiho nice folks :) | 12:58 |
| mohbana | ok guys whats a good cvs tool that allows me to deelete projects? | 13:13 |
| hyper__ch | svn ;) | 13:13 |
| mohbana | i cant use that because uni only has cvs | 13:13 |
| selckin | i'd say cvs. | 13:13 |
| hyper__ch | no clue... never used cvs | 13:13 |
| hyper__ch | are there official kde4 repos for hardy? | 13:14 |
| mohbana | cvs is not gui based is it? | 13:14 |
| hyper__ch | there are cvs gui tools | 13:16 |
| hyper__ch | did you search the repos? | 13:16 |
| bSON | has anybody got vmware player to work on hardy? i get an error when trying to build the kernel module: conflicting types for ‘uintptr_t’ | 13:19 |
| shirish | mohbana: there is gcvs as well as some other ones which are shown there. | 13:19 |
| hyper__ch | bSON: tried the version in the gutsy partner repos? | 13:20 |
| bSON | hyper__ch: no haven't done so yet, but don't they ship with a pre-built module for the gutsy kernel? | 13:20 |
| hyper__ch | bSON: dunno | 13:20 |
| hyper__ch | bSON: I'm currently using also the gutsy medibuntu repos | 13:21 |
| bSON | hyper__ch: i'll have to look i guess.. thanks | 13:21 |
| hyper__ch | bSON: but you could be right about it | 13:21 |
| mohbana | i forgot to mention i want to manage a remote repo | 13:22 |
| hyper__ch | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4300876 | 13:25 |
| hyper__ch | bSON: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4300876 | 13:25 |
| bSON | hyper__ch: these are several other problems... but thanks anyway, i might add mine too | 13:27 |
| hyper__ch | once you got it working, post how :) | 13:27 |
| bSON | ok i'll do ;) | 13:33 |
| mohbana | someone please help how do i get ccess to a remote cvs so i can delete certain projects i just need a gui front end | 13:34 |
| hyper__ch | I tend to think you shouldn't be able to delete certain commits | 13:34 |
| mohbana | i am using eclipse is there a way i can complete overwrite a certain project with what i have in my workspace | 13:35 |
| mohbana | ok fixed | 13:38 |
| mohbana | :) | 13:38 |
| hyper__ch | what's kdebase-bin-kde3 needed for? | 13:51 |
| gilster | can someone give me a hand with DVD-RAM writing in ubuntu? | 13:59 |
| hyper__ch | gilster: what's the problem? | 14:00 |
| gilster | hyper_ch: i got a DVD-RAM disc i want to be able to format it in standard UDF so i can click and drag files to it and burn them on-thefly | 14:01 |
| hyper__ch | gilster: never tried that | 14:05 |
| hyper__ch | gilster: and yu mean you got a dvd-rw dics ;) ram and rw are not the same ;) | 14:05 |
| gilster | NO | 14:06 |
| gilster | i mean i have DVD-RAM discs | 14:06 |
| hyper__ch | there are no dvd-ram discs ;) | 14:07 |
| gilster | what? what are you talking about.... | 14:09 |
| gilster | i got a pack of DVD-RAM discs. what are you going on about. | 14:09 |
| hyper__ch | gilster: dvd-rw yes, dvd-ram no | 14:09 |
| gilster | listen DVD-RAM not DVD-RW | 14:09 |
| hyper__ch | whatever | 14:10 |
| gilster | if you dont know the answer just tell me you dont know.... dont say there are no DVD-RAM discs that makes you look like an idiot | 14:12 |
| gilster | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM | 14:13 |
| gilster | ok, so, does anyone here have experience with the old DVD-RAM discs | 14:18 |
| gilster | ? | 14:18 |
| gilster | hyper__ch: in case you missed that, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM | 14:24 |
| assasukasse | Hi everyone, does anyone know if the package sl-modem-source has been fixed in hardy? is from gutsy tribe 2 that i can't compile it.. | 14:25 |
| cwillu | assasukasse, checked launchpad? | 14:48 |
| assasukasse | cwillu: yes, there is a bug there that is open from ages | 14:49 |
| assasukasse | seems the package maintainer left or is unavailable.. | 14:49 |
| assasukasse | and the package has a compilation error from about 4 months | 14:49 |
| theunixgeek | I followed http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/ to remove KDE apps from the GNOME menus and vice versa; how do I undo it. | 14:53 |
| theunixgeek | ? | 14:54 |
| qzio | hm.. is firefox super-slow only for me? | 14:55 |
| qzio | new fresh alpha 4 install, firefox/firefox-3.0 is ultraslow, like it's on swap or somthing.. | 14:55 |
| qzio | when i rotate the cube and enters a workspace where i have a firefox window, it laggs | 14:56 |
| qzio | rotate any other window, mutiple terminals etc its smooth and with out lag | 14:56 |
| muesli | hey guys | 15:25 |
| muesli | i noticed that my system couldn't boot since 2.6.24-3 anymore | 15:26 |
| muesli | it spits out a couple of ata related errors and mentions that it disables irq #18 (libata) | 15:26 |
| muesli | it eventually fails mounting the root device | 15:26 |
| muesli | i added acpi=off to the kernel options which made it boot again | 15:27 |
| qzio | anyone else have a laggy firefox when using compiz, but normal when not? | 15:28 |
| qzio | 3d acc is spelndid, but firefox is superslow when i set visual effects | 15:28 |
| Assid | heya | 16:29 |
| Redhammer_the_Ol | hi does anybody else have sound problems with alpha4 and audigy2 pci card ? | 16:56 |
| mohbana | why do i keep having to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i upgrade? this is going to be fixed in future releases? | 17:26 |
| lz7 | i doubt it will be fixed, cuz this is by design | 17:27 |
| lz7 | i dont know a details however | 17:28 |
| lz7 | and, this is only applies to kernel updates | 17:28 |
| hyper__ch | is ubuntuforums down? | 17:31 |
| robogeek | is anybody here familiar with hald & nis & autofs on hardy heron? | 17:32 |
| enyc | robogeek: ooer sounds fiddly ;-) no not me ;-) | 17:38 |
| robogeek | hmm.... | 17:38 |
| robogeek | I have an NIS/Autofs setup I copied from 7.10 to 8.04a4 and on 8.04a4 the system goes direct into high load average | 17:39 |
| Assid | heya | 17:44 |
| hyper__ch | local root-exploit for linux 2.6.17 to 2.6.24.1 and 2.6.23.15 --> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/10/8 | 17:49 |
| lz7 | yeah tested that yestarday. looking like improvement for me, really tired of typing sudo lol | 17:50 |
| hyper__ch | ;) | 17:51 |
| Assid | w00t.. a few dozen crash reports sent this week | 17:57 |
| Assid | am uploading a 20odd mb crash report as we speak | 17:58 |
| hyper__ch | wohoo, I'm a cousin of Angelina Jolie, Claudia Schiffer..... | 17:58 |
| Assid | hahaha | 17:58 |
| hyper__ch | well, there's a report on TV in which two danes claim that all people with blue eyes are related :) | 17:59 |
| Assid | if we follow that.. everyones related thanks to adam and eve | 17:59 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: well, there's no scientific proof yet for that | 18:00 |
| Assid | err.. how do i make a shell script that opens a terminal (if someone clicks it from the gui) | 18:00 |
| Assid | besides the button that says "open in terminal" when you run a shell script | 18:01 |
| hyper__ch | #!/bin/bash | 18:01 |
| hyper__ch | konsole | 18:01 |
| hyper__ch | or make a linker with "konsole" | 18:01 |
| Assid | hrmm lemme try | 18:02 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: got it already | 18:03 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: got dcc enabled? | 18:03 |
| Assid | yes | 18:03 |
| Assid | im trying to make it ssh to my servers | 18:03 |
| hyper__ch | oh, this only opens a terminal windows | 18:04 |
| Assid | Timeout error | 18:05 |
| Assid | 18:05 | |
| Assid | Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. | 18:05 |
| Assid | wtf.. i just uploaded 20 megs | 18:05 |
| Assid | where did that go | 18:05 |
| hyper__ch | ubuntuforums is also down | 18:05 |
| hyper__ch | dunno if that is related | 18:05 |
| Assid | probably.. | 18:06 |
| hyper__ch | well, you can link that starter to a shell script which then opens up a ssh connection | 18:06 |
| Assid | so 2 shellscripts | 18:07 |
| hyper__ch | in the advanced tab I just checked open in terminal and to keep the terminal open | 18:07 |
| hyper__ch | no, what I've sent you is not a shellscript at all | 18:07 |
| Assid | just reported a reproducable bug | 18:07 |
| hyper__ch | it's just a command "konsole" to be executed | 18:07 |
| hyper__ch | and instead of just executing "konsole" you could link it to a shell scirp: sh /path/to/actual/script.sh | 18:07 |
| nanonyme | konsole probably has some -c or something which lets you give it command line, right? | 18:07 |
| nanonyme | as in "run this command inside konsole" | 18:08 |
| Assid | okay got it.. launcher with terminal does the job | 18:12 |
| mohbana | why do i keep having to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i upgrade? this is going to be fixed in future releases? | 18:19 |
| Assid | err.. why cant i right click and create a new launcher from INSIDE nautilis ? | 18:19 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: because nautilus sux ;) | 18:20 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: btw, that launcher that I sent you is for KDE ^^ forgot, this is an all *buntu channel | 18:20 |
| Assid | hyper__ch: err. i made my own by rightclicking on the desktop | 18:21 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: ^^ | 18:21 |
| Assid | am not using the file you sent me | 18:22 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: there should be somewhere an option to run it in a terminal and leave the terminal open | 18:22 |
| Assid | hyper__ch: yeah i got that part | 18:22 |
| Assid | but i cant make launchers from nautilis.. documents and folders only | 18:22 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: then you just need to link it a bash script that does what you want | 18:22 |
| hyper__ch | Assid: nautilus sux... told you so before ;) | 18:22 |
| Assid | hyper__ch: i got all that.. im good to go | 18:22 |
| Assid | hrmm | 18:22 |
| * Assid goes to rant to the gnome people | 18:22 | |
| DanaG | Rant about what? Sorry, I just entered. | 18:23 |
| hyper__ch | when I had Gnome I still used Konqueror all the time | 18:23 |
| hyper__ch | huhu DanaG | 18:23 |
| WorkingOnWise | anyone here know how I can get Croquet in a deb for Hardy AMD64? | 18:27 |
| hyper__ch | no | 18:28 |
| Assid | uhho.. i killed 1 server | 18:28 |
| hyper__ch | damn, difficult decision to make... | 18:36 |
| DanaG | argh, no news on my keyboard bug. | 18:48 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 | 18:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:55 |
| hyper__ch | the US has legalized p2p bittorrent traffic shaping | 18:55 |
| hyper__ch | so much for the land of the "free" | 18:55 |
| DanaG | "Since I see many comments about people losing e-mails and other sorts of data due to this bug, I believe this bug should be marked as at least high priority." | 18:55 |
| DanaG | I wish ISPs would do this: | 18:56 |
| DanaG | say, "Hey, run bittorrent on specific port X, and we'll set it to low-priority -- and in exchange, we won't actually throttle it". | 18:56 |
| DanaG | That way torrents take low priority to make it more fair, but you don't get explicitly choked. | 18:57 |
| hyper__ch | ISPs shouldn't seem it necessary to trhottle p2p traffic at all | 18:57 |
| hyper__ch | in the end they have a contract with the customer over bandwidth usages | 18:58 |
| hyper__ch | if the contract says 10mbit down and 2 mbit upload then the isp must be able to provide that | 18:58 |
| hyper__ch | overbooking of their pipes can't be blamed to customers | 18:58 |
| hyper__ch | other traffic will also increase... online streaming of music and videos and stuff... and as that is legal - they don't have an excuse for throttling that anymore | 18:59 |
| hyper__ch | while the web used to be irc, email and webpages with a few images 5 years ago | 18:59 |
| DanaG | I can apply their "Up To" logic to myself: | 19:00 |
| DanaG | I can run up to 50 miles per hour........ | 19:00 |
| DanaG | but only if going straight down. | 19:00 |
| DanaG | It's just as valid as some ISPs' speed claims. | 19:00 |
| hyper__ch | things have changed.... you can get video streaming from most websites... news sites... sites like youtube.... | 19:00 |
| hyper__ch | sweden is pretty avantgard their | 19:01 |
| hyper__ch | in the cities cable customers get 100mbit connectiosn with no throttling | 19:01 |
| hyper__ch | the swedish ISPs have seen the need of high speed bandwidth and have acted upon that | 19:01 |
| hyper__ch | all others that will not satisfy their customers needs will lose customers | 19:02 |
| ethana3 | so i should consider moving to sweden | 19:02 |
| hyper__ch | sweden is nice | 19:02 |
| ethana3 | as well as korea, japan, or israel.. got it | 19:02 |
| alex_mayorga | one more reason | 19:02 |
| hyper__ch | japan would be also nice | 19:02 |
| hyper__ch | dunno about korea or israel | 19:02 |
| johnny | korea had the best penetration last i heard | 19:03 |
| johnny | across all | 19:03 |
| DanaG | Oh hell, I just want 10 / 10 up/down megabits. | 19:03 |
| alex_mayorga | anyone with functional bluetooth? | 19:03 |
| johnny | maybe it's changed | 19:03 |
| hyper__ch | wasn't there a guy who fell into a coma because of playing too much WOW? | 19:03 |
| DanaG | I use bluetooth. | 19:03 |
| hyper__ch | I got 20/2 mbit | 19:03 |
| hyper__ch | I'd also prefer 10/10 | 19:03 |
| DanaG | I now have 5mbit down, 512kibit up. | 19:04 |
| alex_mayorga | DanaG, how did you fix the "Couldn't display "obex://" ? | 19:04 |
| DanaG | Hold on, let me try it. | 19:04 |
| DanaG | ...if I can find my bluetooth adapter, that is. | 19:04 |
| alex_mayorga | I get that whenever I try to browse my phone | 19:04 |
| alex_mayorga | 1Mb/256Kb here | 19:05 |
| hyper__ch | why not use USB for the phone for browsing? | 19:05 |
| alex_mayorga | so don't move to Mexico | 19:05 |
| hyper__ch | well, mexico is warmer than switzerland ;) and it has smoe nice beaches | 19:05 |
| alex_mayorga | hyper_ch, because it does have bluetooth and so does the laptop :) | 19:05 |
| alex_mayorga | and also where supposed to be testing this new animal :S | 19:06 |
| hyper__ch | but bluetooth is slow | 19:06 |
| DanaG | Couldn't display "obex://[00:1E:75:52:22:C8]/". | 19:06 |
| DanaG | damn. | 19:06 |
| alex_mayorga | thanks on confirmin :) | 19:06 |
| johnny | is that a gio thing? | 19:07 |
| DanaG | But for USB, you have to pay the **** provider. | 19:07 |
| hyper__ch | DanaG: pay the provider? | 19:07 |
| alex_mayorga | bug 148712 | 19:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 148712 in gnome-bluetooth "Gusty, Hardy: Not seeing bluetooth services even after pairing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148712 | 19:07 |
| DanaG | Yeah, Verizon wants 20 or 30 bucks for a USB cable plus ringtone software, for my phone. | 19:08 |
| DanaG | I refuse to pay that. Instead, I got myself a bluetooth adapter. | 19:08 |
| alex_mayorga | yay, those pesky propietr+ay cables | 19:08 |
| alex_mayorga | at least bluetooth is a standard of sorts | 19:08 |
| DanaG | That bug report doesn't say anything about the new gio. | 19:10 |
| alex_mayorga | DanaG, any tips? | 19:10 |
| alex_mayorga | ?? | 19:10 |
| DanaG | That's actually a different issue. | 19:11 |
| johnny | well browsing remote things still isn't completely fixed in nautilus | 19:11 |
| johnny | thus why i mentioend it | 19:11 |
| DanaG | "Not Available" is about the phone failing to respond properly, or something. | 19:11 |
| hyper__ch | DanaG: here you get all this included | 19:11 |
| DanaG | This is about a plugin not working in Nautilus. | 19:11 |
| hyper__ch | DanaG: and no carrier lock either | 19:11 |
| hyper__ch | DanaG: I think I should still have 2 SE USB cables | 19:11 |
| alex_mayorga | I've installed every obex package I found and is sill a no go | 19:12 |
| alex_mayorga | hyper_ch, would you ship one to .mx? | 19:12 |
| johnny | i can't even get xnest working as another user atm :( | 19:12 |
| johnny | i just want to test a gnome bug | 19:12 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, what is HDSPA? I was looking at notebooks yesterday, and saw that the Asus V2S has a slot for a SIM, so you can use hdspa. | 19:12 |
| hyper__ch | want to test a root exploit? | 19:12 |
| johnny | i type Xnest -ac :1 | 19:13 |
| DanaG | Workaround for the bluetooth: use konqueror. | 19:13 |
| johnny | and it says Unable to open display "". | 19:13 |
| DanaG | gdmflexiserver --xnest | 19:13 |
| johnny | that's not feasible | 19:13 |
| johnny | sabayon uses xnest directly | 19:13 |
| johnny | and that worked fine in the last ubuntu | 19:13 |
| johnny | but i'm having trouble with gnome-settings-daemon in gnome 2.21 on gentoo, so i wanted to test that in hardy, but i can't get that far yet | 19:14 |
| johnny | running in an xnest that is | 19:14 |
| alex_mayorga | DanaG, please update the above bug as you see fit, functional bluetooth would be nice in hardy | 19:14 |
| alex_mayorga | johnny, the keyboard defaulting to USA? | 19:15 |
| johnny | huh? | 19:15 |
| alex_mayorga | that was/is the gnome-settings bugger biting me Bug #187969 | 19:16 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187969 in gnome-control-center "Cannot select default keyboard layout in gnome-keyboard-properties" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187969 | 19:16 |
| johnny | no. i'm not that far yet | 19:16 |
| * DanaG likes gucharmap. | 19:16 | |
| alex_mayorga | never mind | 19:16 |
| johnny | i'm trying to see if gnome-settings-daemon itself segfaults | 19:16 |
| johnny | in the xnest | 19:16 |
| DanaG | I was able to find characters to set this as my status in pidgin: | 19:17 |
| johnny | but i can't get the xnest itself to open | 19:17 |
| DanaG | "Mmm, tetris. ▟▘▗▙ ▝▙ ▗▟ ▙▖ ▄▄ █ " | 19:17 |
| shirish | what's the command to see what recent updates/upgrades I have done? | 19:19 |
| DanaG | OH yeah, workaround for nautilus bluetooth: use konqueror and kdebluetooth. | 19:19 |
| alex_mayorga | DanaG, I'll try that | 19:20 |
| alex_mayorga | bye for now | 19:20 |
| shirish | DanaG: isn't there some apt-cache command to see what files were updated/upgraded in the recent past? | 19:21 |
| hyper__ch | shirish: the apt-log | 19:22 |
| shirish | hyper__ch: can u be more clear, is there a command called apt-log? Or is this a package which needs to be installed? | 19:23 |
| hyper__ch | shirish: check the log files for apt | 19:23 |
| shirish | hyper__ch: thanx, did that, did the trick :) | 19:30 |
| DanaG | I usually use aptitude when adding and removing stuff; that way, it actually gets logged in /var/log/aptitude . | 19:35 |
| Assid | err quick question | 19:40 |
| Assid | why does synaptic have the ubuntu logo on some of the packages | 19:40 |
| hyper__ch | to make them look nicer? | 19:41 |
| hyper__ch | but then I'd say it's for marking gnome specific packages | 19:41 |
| Assid | how is postgresql gnome specific ? | 19:42 |
| FliesLikeABrick | it might mean that it comes from main, so is therefore supported | 19:42 |
| FliesLikeABrick | as opposed to coming from universe, multiverse, partner or something else | 19:42 |
| johnny | it's prolly for packages that don't have their own icons. | 19:43 |
| Assid | johnny: nope | 19:43 |
| FliesLikeABrick | a way to find out would be to disable all of your repositories except main and see if all of the packages in the list have the icon | 19:43 |
| johnny | and come from main | 19:43 |
| Assid | thinking if i should install postgres from source or from repositories | 19:43 |
| FliesLikeABrick | generally the binaries in packages are more optimized than if you made it from source | 19:44 |
| Assid | more optimized? | 19:44 |
| Assid | i actually export cpuflags :P | 19:44 |
| FliesLikeABrick | I don't know the specifics, but it is the impression that I have | 19:44 |
| FliesLikeABrick | you could always benchmark it and find out if there's a difference between the two ;) | 19:45 |
| johnny | that's not the truth | 19:45 |
| johnny | they are compiled with very realistic flags that work for most people | 19:45 |
| FliesLikeABrick | I don't mean for all packages, I mean for DMBS in specific | 19:45 |
| johnny | not the most optimized ones | 19:45 |
| FliesLikeABrick | DBMS rather | 19:45 |
| johnny | but you prolly won't notice the difference | 19:45 |
| FliesLikeABrick | yeah, I agree | 19:45 |
| johnny | so anybody else here have xnest working while su to another user? | 19:46 |
| DanaG | Argh, I was having that damn "load cycle count" go up by one, about every 5 seconds. | 19:52 |
| DanaG | I had to edit power.sh to use 255 to disable APM. | 19:52 |
| hyper__ch | who thinks rTorrent is the best client? | 19:53 |
| DanaG | pdflush and kblockd and 'swapper' keep doing something with my hard drive. | 19:58 |
| DanaG | I don't know what that "something" is, though. | 19:58 |
| DanaG | Oh, and kjournald, too. | 19:59 |
| hyper__ch | strange | 19:59 |
| DanaG | I have root mounted with 'commit=900' (seconds), which is 15 minutes. | 20:00 |
| johnny | uggh.. time to get ready to work :( | 20:01 |
| shazow | hiya, I just did a fresh install of the latest kubuntu hardy, and kdm loads fine, but when i log in, at "initializing system services", it fails with the error "Could not start ksmserver" | 20:06 |
| johnny | is there a reason everybody is trying to use hardy at this point? if they aren't trying to fix the bugs? | 20:09 |
| shazow | fun and profit :P | 20:09 |
| shazow | and my gutsy install was borked, so i figured.. | 20:09 |
| shazow | (same problem, incidentally, but i didn't have the error message with gutsy) | 20:10 |
| johnny | the devs have enough bugs to deal with i'm sure | 20:10 |
| johnny | i know why i'm trying to test hardy, since i'm helping maintain a gnome application | 20:11 |
| shazow | well, i doubt most people's motives for trying the latest and greatest are selfless. | 20:13 |
| DanaG | I wish that keyboard stuckage would be fixage'd. | 20:13 |
| johnny | well most people are just causing problems for the devs then :) | 20:13 |
| shazow | if no one did this, then the final release would be super buggy. | 20:14 |
| johnny | that's for beta time :) | 20:14 |
| Artimus | Anyone mess around with ufw (the iptables frontend) in Hardy yet? I compiled it for Feisty, it seems rather nice. | 20:14 |
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| Artimus | err... Gutsy, not Feisty | 20:15 |
| johnny | otherwise tons of unnecessary dupes get filed | 20:15 |
| shazow | is there a beta? I only recall alpha's and release candidates | 20:15 |
| johnny | not yet | 20:15 |
| shazow | i mean in prior history of ubuntu/kubuntu releases | 20:15 |
| Assid | always some betas | 20:15 |
| shazow | ah i guess i missed them | 20:15 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 | 20:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:17 |
| shazow | alright, back to gutsy i go | 20:17 |
| Assid | DanaG: you still waiitng? | 20:17 |
| DanaG | aaaaaaargh, I haven't been able to use compiz for a few weeks, due to this bug. | 20:17 |
| DanaG | No new posts. | 20:18 |
| Assid | hehe | 20:18 |
| DanaG | It was new as of some Xorg update. | 20:18 |
| shazow | now if only i had a gutsy livecd.. | 20:25 |
| DanaG | I really could use some help with that keyboard bug. | 21:04 |
| cwillu | !autofsck | 21:14 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about autofsck - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 21:14 |
| cwillu | Anybody know if anybody is working on a replacement? | 21:14 |
| awalton__ | why is a replacement needed, the old one break? | 21:19 |
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| aLeSD | hey hi | 21:32 |
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| VanDyke | anyone here tried installing hardy on software raid ? | 21:58 |
| bardyr | yep | 22:03 |
| VanDyke | I did it here yesterday, and I was wondering if somebody else had the same problems on installation | 22:04 |
| VanDyke | normal mode just wouldn't work | 22:04 |
| bardyr | VanDyke, i didnt notice any problems | 22:11 |
| emet | !info restricted-manager | 22:14 |
| ubotu | Package restricted-manager does not exist in hardy | 22:14 |
| emet | hmmmmmmmmmm ? | 22:14 |
| DanaG | It's now called "Jockey" ... as in, a horse 'driver'. | 22:14 |
| emet | oh | 22:15 |
| emet | !info jockey | 22:15 |
| ubotu | Package jockey does not exist in hardy | 22:15 |
| selckin | !info jockey-common | 22:15 |
| ubotu | jockey-common (source: jockey): user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 37 kB, installed size 864 kB | 22:15 |
| emet | right | 22:15 |
| emet | it has a lower version then restricted-manager? | 22:16 |
| emet | !info restricted-manager gutsy | 22:16 |
| ubotu | restricted-manager (source: restricted-manager): manage non-free hardware drivers - GNOME frontend. In component restricted, is optional. Version 0.33.1 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 316 kB | 22:16 |
| emet | I'm going to assume jockey-common is better developed ? | 22:16 |
| selckin | the name is cooler, what more do you want | 22:17 |
| emet | lol | 22:17 |
| VanDyke | hahaha | 22:17 |
| Noq^ | Hi! What kernel will hadry use.. There is serious kernel exploin which i have found now and it affects kernels from 2.6.17 to 2.6.24.1 which i think is the latest one | 22:42 |
| bardyr | Noq^, what exploit? | 22:43 |
| Noq^ | bardyr: its local root exploit | 22:44 |
| bardyr | Noq^, then report it on launchpad | 22:44 |
| bardyr | and lkml | 22:44 |
| bardyr | and sudo is not a exploit :D | 22:44 |
| Noq^ | :-d | 22:44 |
| Noq^ | where is lkml | 22:44 |
| Noq^ | ? | 22:44 |
| bardyr | lkml.org | 22:45 |
| Noq^ | thanx | 22:46 |
| Noq^ | bardyr: are u working with kernel? | 22:46 |
| bardyr | Noq^, nope | 22:47 |
| Noq^ | oki :-d | 22:47 |
| Noq^ | bardyr: someone was faster to report them =) | 22:49 |
| bardyr | Bug #190587 ? | 22:49 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 190587 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Local root exploit in kernel 2.6.17 - 2.6.24 (vmsplice)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190587 | 22:49 |
| atrus | haha, the exploit actually works on my hardy laptop. | 22:49 |
| Noq^ | yes | 22:50 |
| Noq^ | bardyr: that one | 22:50 |
| Noq^ | and one more | 22:50 |
| Noq^ | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5092 | 22:50 |
| Noq^ | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5093 | 22:50 |
| Noq^ | those two | 22:50 |
| cyphase | How hard would it be for Xorg to auto config dual monitors the same way it auto configs everything else now? | 22:51 |
| Noq^ | whats even more annoying is that you need to reconfigure xorg manually when u buy bigger screen | 22:53 |
| Noq^ | a friend of mine has huge problems. he just got 24" and its imposible to get right resolution | 22:54 |
| Noq^ | but it worked nicely with 19" | 22:54 |
| DanaG | Argh, multimedia keys aren't working with Exaile. | 23:05 |
| hydrogen | dood | 23:07 |
| hydrogen | you could have easily expressed that | 23:07 |
| hydrogen | by just saying | 23:07 |
| hydrogen | "exaile" | 23:07 |
| hydrogen | and we all would have known what you meant | 23:07 |
| lz7 | npviewer.bin | 23:07 |
| VanDyke | hahah | 23:07 |
| DanaG | Huh, I think I missed your joke, or whatever. | 23:10 |
| RAOF | DanaG: Nor with Banshee. gnome-settings-daemon's MMKeys interface has changed. | 23:20 |
| DanaG | Damn. | 23:21 |
| DanaG | oops, swearing. | 23:21 |
| DanaG | Also, "Open Terminal" hotkey doesn't do anything. | 23:23 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 23:23 |
| crimsun | I wish people actually inspected these patches. :( | 23:24 |
| DanaG | Is there any way to get Xorg to poll for key releases instead of relying on events? It seems to be somehow missing key-up events. | 23:24 |
| DanaG | ... and having the 'super' key stuck down renders Xorg pretty useless. | 23:25 |
| crimsun | RAOF: thanks for the alsa-plugins biarch work. The buffoonery with pkg-config looks pretty nasty. | 23:25 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, that reminds me: I was looking at laptops again, and I found some Asus one that looks pretty nice. I'd still wait until summer, but I'm curious now: do you have any experience with Asus notebooks and Linux? | 23:26 |
| RAOF | crimsun: It's better than what I was originally doing, which was re-writing the pkg-config files rather than providing .so symlinks. :) | 23:26 |
| RAOF | crimsun: Are you able to apply it to Hardy's alsa-plugins? Or possibly test that it doesn't break on i386 hardy; I haven't done that yet. | 23:27 |
| atrus | DanaG: yeah, i was having that key-stuck problem with compiz. not sure what it was. | 23:29 |
| DanaG | It started in the latest few weeks. | 23:29 |
| crimsun | RAOF: I'll queue it for my hardening-wrapper test this evening | 23:30 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, another audio question: do you happen to know what the "ALC660VM" is? I'm curious whether it's a 6-channel chip. | 23:30 |
| RAOF | crimsun: Yay! | 23:30 |
| DanaG | I can't find any specs. | 23:30 |
| aLeSD | how can I know if the bluetooth works ? | 23:31 |
| crimsun | DanaG: yes, I have a bit of experience. I believe I mentioned they're a bit ... interesting. | 23:31 |
| DanaG | Hmm, that's what's in the Asus V1S I'm considering. | 23:31 |
| DanaG | ... as long as the performance ratio of Go 8600 / Go 8800 is reasonably close to the ratio of 7600 / 7800. | 23:32 |
| DanaG | oops, s/VM/VD/ | 23:34 |
| crimsun | it's actually 8-channel. | 23:36 |
| crimsun | whether it's enabled as 8 distinct, independent widgets is another story :) | 23:36 |
| DanaG | I guess I'd have to find the thing in a store, and test it there. | 23:37 |
| crimsun | well, the code currently slaves two sets of pins, so it only functions as 6-channel. | 23:37 |
| DanaG | The thing I dream of seeing in a notebook: separate front audio out, as in the Windows drivers on many desktops. | 23:38 |
| crimsun | I'm not sure what you mean. | 23:40 |
| crimsun | if you mean "have the front jacks" drive a different stream[set] from the non-front jacks", then that's already possible, albeit with /much/ hackery. | 23:40 |
| DanaG | That's what I mean. It'd let me do what I currently do with sigmatel + audigy, with just the onboard. | 23:41 |
| crimsun | yes, that's already possible. | 23:41 |
| DanaG | It depends on the vendor, of course -- must have speakers not hard-wired to "front speakers" jack. | 23:41 |
| crimsun | change the pin_configs[] for the alc861vd, create a separate virtual config for front:, then run separate instances of pulseaudio per-virtual device | 23:42 |
| DanaG | I'd have to wait until I get such a device; it'll probably still be only in the summer.\ | 23:42 |
| ethana3 | our D830 has seperate headphones and speakers | 23:42 |
| crimsun | doesn't matter at all if it's hardwired, actually. You can just create a separate overlay with a different pin_config[]. | 23:43 |
| crimsun | (this is the ultimate flexibility with alsa-lib's ttables) | 23:43 |
| crimsun | (and arguably the sole point that made alsa-lib worthwhile prior to OSSv4) | 23:44 |
| DanaG | Hmm, but if the built-in speakers and the jack are wired together, wouldn't you lose that jack's ability to be separate? | 23:46 |
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