[00:48] when the topic says "DO NOT RUN HARDY" is that saying something is majorly borked atm? o r was it meant to say "do not run hardy on production machines" [00:49] read the parts before it [00:49] jscinoz, yeah if you are not sure of how to resolve dependencies then........ [00:49] ah :P [00:50] jscinoz, i am running hardy at this moment [00:50] i'd probably be running hardy atm, but i hear that audio is kinda borked because the switch from alsa to pulse isnt finished === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK [00:58] jscinoz: That'd be incorrect. There isn't a switch from ALSA to pulseaudio. There's a switch from ESD (which practically nobody used) to PulseAudio (which is now enabled). [00:59] ah [01:28] RAOF: Although technically it is a switch from ALSA to Pulseaudio since everything just used ALSA directly rather than deal with ESD :P [01:29] Amaranth: Heh. [01:29] is anyone here running hardy on an Eee, or any other machine with an Attansic L2 ethernet adapter, for that matter? [01:29] how do I disable Composite in X so Compiz-Fusion will not work? [01:30] why not just turn off compiz-fusion in your preferences [01:30] ? [01:30] WorkingOnWise: just login to a failsafe GNOME session and turn it off [01:30] WorkingOnWise, or Section "Extensions" [01:30] Option "Composite" "0" [01:30] EndSection in xorg.conf [01:31] But then you won't be able to use Metacity's new compositor :) [01:31] FliesLikeABrick: I turned it off 3 times by selecting Metacity as and GTK, but every login CF is back on. [01:31] When I upgraded from 2.6.24-4-generic to anything newer, support for my ethernet card disappeared [01:31] what source package would that bug get reported to? [01:31] DarkMageZ: I think thats what I'm looking for. Thanks [01:33] DarkMageZ: would that go in Section "Device"? [01:34] WorkingOnWise: no, it is a separate section of its own [01:34] Amaranth: what do I call the section? [01:35] WorkingOnWise, see how i declare a section. then declare a variable and its number then close it? [01:35] all the sections begin with Section "SomeName" [01:37] I was under the impression that all sections had to have a name, then the declaration, and then EndSection [01:42] is there a problem with the forcedeth.ko module? [01:48] what package should I put a bug in for if a module hasn't been working >= 2.6.24-5-generic ? [02:10] excuse me I installed hardy and there is a new entry in the grub menu: there are both the usual kernel-...-generic and kernel-...-386. What is the last one? It doesn't boot if I run the 386 one. Thank you [02:14] !motd [02:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [02:15] davide, this probably doesn't help you now, but the motd is apropos [02:17] sorry, I didn't understand what you said [02:18] """If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependancies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY""" [02:19] That said, the generic kernel is the one you want [02:19] well one more reason to wish for 2.6.24.1 to enter hardy [02:19] http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704 [02:19] and I hope you're interested in having a bunch of learning experiences from here until hardy goes final in march :p [02:20] scizzo-, it'll go in as far as I know [02:20] well good to know its a local exploit [02:20] not a remote one [02:20] doesn't take much to turn a local exploit into a remote exploit though [02:22] true [02:23] they have patches against 2.6.22 as well, so I'd expect to see gutsy, fiesty, etc updates pretty quick [02:24] what are you guys talking about? I missed the beginning of the topic [03:02] is there a problem in hardy where the installation window goes off the edge of the screen? [03:05] I am using vmware workstation 6 [03:05] still figuring out if this is the guest os or the virtual machine that's causing this... [03:13] * cyphase just looked at xorg.conf in hardy [03:13] very empty :) [03:16] anyone know if anyone is working on displayconfig-gtk for hardy? [03:40] I wish some official developer would comment on the the keyboard-stuckage (yes, I know that's not a real word) bug. [03:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406 [03:42] Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:04] it's official: the drivers for the Brother BCP-7020 printer are borked [04:04] DCP-7020* === bmk789_ is now known as bmk789 [05:20] ok [05:20] doing upgrade process via apt-get upgrade and now sudo broken - any anything useing it [05:20] ; ; [05:20] !sudo [05:20] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. [05:20] grar [05:27] hi, anybody here able to run Xnest in hardy? [06:01] Does dhelp work all right in Hardy? (It does not seem to output any results in Gutsy.) [06:02] Removing sun-java6-bin ... [06:02] /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png is not a directory [06:02] dpkg: error processing sun-java6-bin (--remove): [06:02] subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 [06:02] solution: sudo mkdir /usr/share/icons/sun-java6.png && sudo apt-get --purge remove sun-java6-bin [06:03] !punctuation | nekostar [06:03] nekostar: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [06:04] ~_~ [06:04] not appropriate for that [06:04] yeah.. i agree [06:04] people misuse !puncuation in #ubuntu-* [06:04] tell me about it [06:04] and make that #ubuntu* [06:04] try [06:05] err true [06:05] !punctuation > johnny [06:05] >.> [06:05] i'm stymied everywhere i turn, to try to get sabayon working with 2.21 [06:05] and it's too late to switch sabayon to Xephyr [06:06] mm [06:06] played with it [06:06] didnt see the point [06:06] the point of? [06:06] sabayon [06:06] i use sabayon at our bookstore cofeehouse [06:07] it is good to maintain profiles for various user types [06:07] single user machines, not useful at all [06:07] mm [06:07] ok [06:07] never tried doing that stuff - no one gets to use my compy but me :D [06:48] hi all [06:49] I have a problem with ubuntu 8.04 : the mixing sw doesn't work anymore [06:50] is alsa the soundsystem, isn't it ? [07:20] grar~ [07:20] seems nice [07:20] compiz runs and loads faster [07:20] ^_^ [07:20] nekostar: r u using an ATI ? [07:20] i would say while not perfect my upgrade was fairly painless... and i had lots of non-vanilla-install packages in [07:20] aLeSD no [07:20] os[Linux 2.6.24-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[9 minutes] | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2160 @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 2690.119 MHz (10764.57 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 3080x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with dr [07:20] iver 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46] [07:21] by default updating from gutsy it installed the i386 package [07:21] but installed generic and vua la there were my cpu's :D [07:22] tho sudo did break on the way in - spammed problem and solution a bit earlier - sun-java6-bin was looking for its icon to actually be a folder for some reason in the root of the /usr/share/icons folder so i made a folder called that and it seems to be perfectly happy now [07:23] couple other little things - better take out libgpod etc before upgrading and i was good to go [07:24] though ive yet to see a button to go from the add/remove applications >> synaptic.. [07:26] nekostar: does the sound sw mixing work for u ? [07:27] aLeSD mm? [07:27] i get sound yes [07:27] nekostar: two application in the samen time [07:27] hm [07:28] cause in my case the use of the device is exclusive .... and I can't use more application ... :| [07:28] yeah [07:28] works fine [07:28] i've only got hardy in a vm [07:29] nekostar: what kind of hw ? [07:29] trying to test an xnest bug, but i can't even get it to work :) [07:29] redo your sound [07:29] its probably on oss [07:29] make it into alsa [07:29] aLeSD my sound card is audigy 2 [07:29] ah [07:29] ive still not enough power with ym cpu tho [07:29] creative supports hw mixing [07:30] 1.8ghz dual core c2d oc'd to 2.7 [07:30] aLeSD yeah [07:30] my card not [07:30] alsa-oss is a alsa wrapper for oss applications [07:30] PA can use all OSS and ALSA drivers, right? [07:30] yes ... but I'm using rhytmbox and audiology [07:30] they uses alsa [07:30] change the driver they use [07:31] I think it's the change to portaudio [07:31] set them up for oss [07:31] and use the wrapper or so [07:31] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation [07:31] ~___~ [07:32] what is the alsa configuration file ? [07:33] s/what/where [07:39] do you have the pulseaudio in? [07:39] make sure to have pulseaudio-module-gonf and pulseaudio-module-hal [07:39] mm [07:39] seems to have problems with exclusive locks for dpkg/apt/ [07:48] hi again [07:49] hello [07:49] someone here has an ATI ? [07:49] i do [07:50] Radeon 9200SE PCI 128MB [07:50] hey the audio works !!! ... I have to change all the output to pulseaudio ... [07:51] ethana3: does the 3d works for u ? [07:51] yes [07:51] pulse audio is the sound server in gutsy [07:51] where else are you going to send it? [07:51] right to the metal? for shame [07:52] aLeSD: what card do you have, by the way? [07:52] ethana3: to alsa directly [07:52] ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250ù [07:52] ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250 [07:52] ^_^ [07:53] ethana3: my problem is the kernel driver [07:53] I don't know what chipset that card uses.. [07:53] DRI module? [07:53] yes [07:53] ooohh.. I've never had a problem like that [07:53] the xorg module can't dind it [07:53] lsmod | grep dri [07:53] could u run a lsmod | grep fglrx [07:54] fglrx? good heavens no [07:54] those cards use completely different drivers [07:54] I use radeon [07:54] oh they do? seriously? [07:54] the 9200 cannot use fglrx, and the Xpress 1250 must use fglrx if you want real 3d support [07:54] uy [07:54] ok .. I'm using fglrx ... and before the turn to 8.04 it worked [07:54] that explains my problems.. [07:55] crdlb .. where is my fglrx.ko module ? [07:55] I can't find it in the restricted drivers package [07:55] hiding in /lib/linux-restricted-modules [07:55] ehm [07:56] it's supposed to be copied to /lib/modules/ at boot, but sometimes doesn't work, particularly if you tried using the ATI installer or envy [07:56] crdlb: I'm using only the ubuntu packages [07:58] crdlb [07:58] dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules [07:58] /usr/share [07:58] /usr/share/doc [07:58] /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules [07:58] /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/copyright [07:58] /usr/share/doc/linux-restricted-modules/changelog.gz [07:58] nothing more [07:59] dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) [07:59] wow [08:00] dpkg -L linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) | grep fglrx [08:00] /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx [08:00] /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/firegl_public.o [08:00] /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/libfglrx_ip.a.GCC4 [08:00] /lib/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/fglrx/fglrx.mod.o [08:00] /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/2.6.24-7-generic/modules.alias.override/fglrx [08:00] no .ko [08:00] crdlb: is it strange ? [08:01] aLeSD: No, not at all. The restricted modules get linked on boot by l-r-m [08:02] RAOF: help [08:02] l-r-m [08:03] linux-restricted-modules [08:03] I can't find in my system any fglrx.ko [08:03] Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx? [08:03] Was it at boot? [08:04] RAOF: yes ... I have it .. I have a strange symlink [08:04] look [08:04] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2007-12-30 05:47 /var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1/fglrx.ko -> 2.6.x/fglrx.ko [08:04] it doesn't exist [08:05] That's not an answer to my questions :) [08:05] ops [08:05] Is your driver in xorg.conf set to fglrx? yes [08:05] Also, I didn't know fglrx used dkms. [08:05] Was it at boot? what do u mean [08:06] As in: have you changed it since you booted? [08:06] no [08:06] RAOF ... I need only my fglrx.ko [08:06] Right. Finally, does /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common have anything in DISABLED_MODULES? [08:07] trying out compiz in hardy. it works graphically, except that it seems to often lock modifier keys like shift or super down, such that i have no way of releasing them and using the desktop normally anymore. [08:07] shit [08:07] DISABLED_MODULES="fglrx" [08:07] who did it ?? [08:07] !ohmy | aLeSD [08:07] aLeSD: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [08:07] sorry [08:08] Also, :P! [08:08] so I have to comment it out andreinstall restricted-modules .. ? [08:08] no, just reboot [08:09] or run: sudo lrm-manager [08:09] aLeSD: Just remove fglrx from DISABLED_MODULES, and... or sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules start :) [08:09] crdlb: does it will compile the module ? [08:10] Link it, yes. [08:13] lex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common restart [08:13] alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ sudo lrm-manager [08:13] alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ modprobe fglrx [08:13] FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx [08:13] alex@explorer:/var/lib/dkms/fglrx/8.443.1$ lsmod | grep fglrx [08:14] RAOF: ... ok my way : where is the file that all the scripts have to link to ? [08:15] :° [08:15] aLeSD: You probably need to modprobe -r the open-source kernel module. Or just reboot. [08:16] It's (generally) not *necessary* to reboot, it can just be easier :) [08:17] I'll be back [08:17] RAOF: but pls ... could u tell me where is the module ? [08:18] no the link ... I want the .ko [08:18] RAOF, E: Couldn't find package ia64-libs [08:18] opps, wrong channel ッ [08:19] Why would he want the .ko? [08:20] cause it's nessesary for fglrx to work [08:20] i thought that's what modprobe loaded [08:21] and what lrm put in the correct place when not disabled [08:21] hey again [08:22] Yeah, but he'd already got the module in the right place care of... oh, actually no. He didn't run what I told him to :) [08:22] ok ok [08:22] u win [08:22] I have 3d [08:22] thanks [08:22] RAOF is made of win [08:23] He's on FIRE! [08:23] i worry about RAOF's internet connection tho. bloody tpg :p [08:24] Eh, not so bad. Not too expensive, fast enough. Generally. :) [08:24] staff no speak enlish [08:24] english* [08:24] do you think there is a way to hook up a qvga screen to a normal pc as a display [08:24] for experiments :p [08:24] Oh, as long as the tubes are connected to me I need not speak to them! [08:25] i hope you pray often enough to make sure that happens. [08:27] alex@explorer:~$ compiz [08:27] Checking for Xgl: not present. [08:27] Detected PCI ID for VGA: 01:05.0 0300: 1002:7942 (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) [08:27] Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. [08:27] Trying again with indirect rendering: [08:27] Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present. [08:27] i remember when i was with them... i remember the conversations i had with one of their level 2 support staff... [08:27] aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity [08:27] fglrx? not going to happen in hardy [08:28] aLeSD, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/173663 [08:28] Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity on xserver 1.4 (1.3 is ok)" [High,Confirmed] [08:28] install xserver-xgl [08:28] DarkMageZ: I haven't had any problems with that, which is nice. [08:28] Damnit! I *still* have to support Xgl? :( [08:28] hehe [08:29] RAOF, no. feel free to drop the package. [08:29] * crdlb wonders if ATI will "fix" (I use this word loosely) fglrx in time for hardy [08:29] is xorg server 1.4 officially released yet? NO [08:29] ? [08:30] it was officially released months ago [08:30] in Xorg 7.3 [08:30] o: [08:30] really? i though xorg server 1.3 was used in xorg 7.3. odd. [08:30] no [08:30] hardy is quite nice for the record [08:30] they're out of sync [08:30] stable enough to be called windows [08:30] >_> [08:30] * nekostar runz [08:31] nekostar, yeah. you better run. *shakes fist* [08:31] :p [08:31] DarkMageZ: so I have to wait or install xgl ? [08:31] yup [08:32] aLeSD, there's always the 3'rd option [08:32] DarkMageZ: I'll love it [08:32] * crdlb isn't going to like this [08:32] what about the 3rd ? [08:32] (unless it's "go back to gutsy" :P) [08:32] aLeSD, hostage situation at ATi/AMD headquarters [08:33] XD [08:33] now if only i could get Xnest working [08:33] :D [08:33] * crdlb was wrong [08:33] so i can get my gnome app workin in a gnome 2.21 [08:33] I'll wait [08:33] :( no-one ever takes the 3'rd option [08:33] anybody here having Xnest working? [08:34] ultimately trying to test a gnome-settings-daemon bug [08:34] i have it replicated in my gentoo install [08:34] now i just need to see if it works in hardy [08:36] mm really tho quite impressive [08:36] all is working ... less flash that doens't use pulseaudio and skype that doesn't use pulseaudio [08:36] er... [08:36] * nekostar checks utub [08:37] mine's working [08:37] but wow its ugly [08:37] hm [08:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INttODEPzp0&eurl=http://www.inuyasha-lives.info/amazingvid/ Christianity Taught by an Atheist -Interview with an atheist bit shaky [08:39] nekostar: why did u disactivated the sw mixing in alsa ? [08:39] ? [08:39] i didnt [08:39] i dont have to mess with that stuff [08:39] lol [08:39] why the alsa sw mixing is disactivated ? [08:39] !info libflashsupport [08:40] libflashsupport (source: libflashsupport): Support library for sound output of Flash 9 with pulseaudio. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB [08:40] Oh, PulseAudio disables dmix so it can measure latency on various audio devices, for the sake of synchronization. [08:40] I mean all the application that support pulseaudio have sw mixing ... but the old ones no. [08:40] Dmix would introduce a delay that PulseAudio wouldn't be able to measure. [08:40] DanaG: ah ... ok [08:41] You can install libasound2-plugins and do asoundconf set-pulseaudio [08:41] Be aware that some apps don't get along well with PulseAudio. [08:41] DanaG: is libasound2-plugins trasparent ? [08:42] Look up "perfect setup" on the PulseAudio wiki. [08:42] I have to go to bed now, though. [08:42] DanaG: thanks ... I'm just waking up [08:43] Pacific timezone for me -- it's 1 AM. [08:43] Or rather, 12:43. [08:43] well the important part is my anime plays fine [08:43] and now i go to darn bed [08:44] ^_^ [08:49] ok I will wait that skype and flash will use pulseaudio [08:49] can I return back to 7.10 ? [08:56] nope [08:56] reinstall [08:59] no way. don't look back [09:02] wow vmware doesn't compile the module ... [09:47] hey folks, i installed hardy yesterday and it works great :-) [09:47] but if i want to install kde4-core it tells me kdebase-bin-kde3 will be removed, is that ok? [09:57] anyone here using Ubuntu Ultimate? === ktogias_ is now known as ktogias [10:05] hm, in gutsy - if you go change background -> vistual effect there is like a custom settings button [10:05] the thing isnt here in hardy (fresh install) [10:06] i want to change some settings for compiz/gnome [10:06] hi all === Airplane is now known as ^BiplanO^ [10:07] <^BiplanO^> my gnome doesn't save my screen resolution settings and my keyboard layout settings! [10:13] ^BiplanO^: im using the default screen resolution, but i think i have the same problem with the layout (which im not using the default...) [10:13] <^BiplanO^> I have to set them everytime I start gnome [10:15] <^BiplanO^> moreover icons associated with file types don't work in nautilus === _emgent is now known as emgent [10:31] Is it just me, or is batteryy life better in alpha 4? [10:32] <^BiplanO^> Helvasca, maybe you stopped smoking [10:32] <^BiplanO^> :p [10:33] lol [11:18] system > administration > screen and graphics - no show | program crashes. native resolution of 1280x800 is lost after X restart. failure started after setting an external monitor on gateway mt-3422 using nvidia geforce go 6100 with restricted driver [11:22] related to bug 188562 [11:22] Launchpad bug 188562 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_set_data_full()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188562 [11:40] hm... compiz i.e the rotating cube works fine [11:40] but scrolling in firefox is dead slow [11:40] laggy [11:41] hmm http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHuawei_E220&ei=8uKuR6vlF5iYwwG_wfF6&usg=AFQjCNFGC6DtrdVo5TNeI8R9t-NMJIXcJA&sig2=MBdoFVbbaa--oaGG7niRew crashes for me 100% of the time [11:42] wtf? nm [12:09] how do I use 'find' to list files _older_ than a certain number of days? I can't seem to get -mtime to do what I need [12:16] <_Pete_> howdy, hardy experts here ? I just upgraded to that and now the machien wont boot. The problem is that root = md0 and that's for somereason is not activated [12:16] <_Pete_> anyideas how to fix it ? [12:29] _Pete_: u can edit grub menu entries [12:30] there u can change the arguments given to the kernel, the partition and hd which is bootet from etc. [12:51] <_Pete_> c1|freaky: yes ? [12:52] <_Pete_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/102933 [12:52] Launchpad bug 102933 in mdadm "/dev/md0 fails to mount on boot (dup-of: 103177)" [Undecided,Invalid] [12:52] Launchpad bug 103177 in initramfs-tools "boot-time race condition initializing md" [Critical,Fix released] [12:52] <_Pete_> I think it's same bug [12:52] oh ok [12:55] !topic [12:55] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [12:56] guys, is Hardy in a soft freeze state or what? [12:58] hiho nice folks :) [13:13] ok guys whats a good cvs tool that allows me to deelete projects? [13:13] svn ;) [13:13] i cant use that because uni only has cvs [13:13] i'd say cvs. [13:13] no clue... never used cvs [13:14] are there official kde4 repos for hardy? [13:14] cvs is not gui based is it? [13:16] there are cvs gui tools [13:16] did you search the repos? [13:19] has anybody got vmware player to work on hardy? i get an error when trying to build the kernel module: conflicting types for ‘uintptr_t’ [13:19] mohbana: there is gcvs as well as some other ones which are shown there. [13:20] bSON: tried the version in the gutsy partner repos? [13:20] hyper__ch: no haven't done so yet, but don't they ship with a pre-built module for the gutsy kernel? [13:20] bSON: dunno [13:21] bSON: I'm currently using also the gutsy medibuntu repos [13:21] hyper__ch: i'll have to look i guess.. thanks [13:21]