[00:04] <tcpdumpgod> Whats cracking. I have a GeForce FX 5200/AGP/SSE2 and a DELL 2007WFP LCD monitor. It is sluggish is heck and glxinfo |grep rend shows direct rendering enabled. I do have the monitor connected with a HD-15 cable and not the DVI both card and monitor are capable of however, i would think that I could comfortably watch full screen video.
[00:05] <tcpdumpgod> Anyone know if this kind of sluggishness is because of the HD-15 cable?
[00:06] <VanDyke> nope
[00:06] <VanDyke> it's more likely a driver issue
[00:07] <VanDyke> what resolution are you workin with ?
[00:08] <void^> compiz disabled?
[00:12] <lz7> FX 5200 dosnt support 2007WFP native resolution over dvi, what is HD-15 cable? vga?
[00:15] <enyc> lz7: HD15 is the plug on vga cables
[00:17] <crimsun> DanaG: if you depend on hardware, absolutely.  However, neither ALSA nor OSSv4+ depends solely on it.
[00:17] <crimsun> DanaG: I have finished inspecting OSSv4's mixer layer, but from what I see both it and alsa-driver+alsa-lib allow you to define virtual pin config sets
[00:18] <crimsun> err, haven't* finished
[00:20] <DanaG> OOps, I'd forgotten what I was talking about .... (scrolls up)... oh yeah, pin configs.
[00:20] <DanaG> "If you depend on hardware" -- I'm not sure I understand.
[00:21] <crimsun> DanaG: if one writes a driver that depends solely on the wiring, then one's screwed.
[00:21] <DanaG> In my current notebook, the speakers are just plain hard-wired to the output jack, so I can't separate the two.
[00:21] <crimsun> DanaG: thankfully (or otherwise), no modern OS does that.
[00:21] <enyc> reset
[00:21] <enyc> oops
[00:22] <crimsun> DanaG: But that's what I've been saying all along:  you don't need to separate the wiring.
[00:22] <DanaG> Likewise, if the speakers are hardwired to the 'front' jack, you can't do anything else with it at the same time.
[00:22] <DanaG> What I want is this: two-channel front device, plus six-channel other device.
[00:22] <crimsun> DanaG: virtually all drivers these days provide abstraction for pin sets.
[00:23] <crimsun> if you want an absolutely stellar example of how this is possible, see what recent MacOS X versions do
[00:23] <lz7> anybode use x86_64 hardy? do you have npviewer.bin segfaults? ussualy on "heavy" flash sites...
[00:23] <VanDyke> tcpdumpgod: whats your resolution ?
[00:24] <crimsun> now, I'm not saying it will be /straightforward/ to do in Ubuntu, but it's definitely possible.
[00:25] <DanaG> I haven't seen what you can do in OS X -- the only time I've ever really used it has been on this laptop, with the AppleHDA patch and the codec dump from Linux.
[00:25] <crimsun> well, per-stream definitions per-jack set.
[00:25] <crimsun> which means you can have different streams going at different volumes to different jacks.
[00:26] <DanaG> aah.
[00:27] <DanaG> But if speakers and front-jack are wired to the same actual pin on the chip, you're out of luck for separating them.
[00:27] <DanaG> Some time I'll have to find the notebook in a store somewhere, perhaps.
[00:29] <crimsun> DanaG: yes, in that case you're screwed.
[00:29] <DanaG> I had some fun yesterday with my dad's desktop with an ALC882 -- the front jacks can be separated, for both input and output, from the rear jacks.  In addition, you can make any of the three fronts be any of mic, line-in, or line out.  Onboard audio is pretty cool, nowadays.
[00:32] <lz7> www.nvidia.com always cause npviewer.bin to segfault
[00:33] <lz7> they have much flash there
[00:36] <crimsun> DanaG: some also support hardware multiopen.
[00:37] <DanaG> I think my Sigmatel is probably bottom-of-the barrel -- at least Realtek offers EMULATED directsound in Windows.  Sigmatel gives nothing.
[00:38] <crimsun> the two better HDA implementers are Conexant and Realtek.
[00:38] <lz7> did someone said "Windows"?
[00:39] <crimsun> Conexant is even playing the open source ballgame finally.
[00:39] <DanaG> Linux is still my primary OS, though.  Can't beat PulseAudio!
[00:39] <DanaG> And Synaptics Linux driver.
[00:40] <lz7> i have AD1988 chip
[00:40] <DanaG> I pulled the touchpad out of an old laptop, and I was glad to see that they give good specs on how to interface with the device, both electrically and logically.
[00:40] <DanaG> s/logic/physic/
[00:45] <MatthewV> I'm unable to get the remote inluded with my compro vidoemate u500 to work - it shows up as a device in /proc/bus/input/devices (/dev/input/event7) but I'm unable to get irrecord -H devinput -d /dev/input/event7 lircd.conf to pick up anything - any ideas? should I be asking elsewhere?
[00:46] <tcpdumpgod> VanDyke, currently its set at....
[00:47] <tcpdumpgod> 1680x1050@24bit
[00:47] <tcpdumpgod> Think I should drop to a lower res and bitrate VanDyke ?
[00:47] <mohbana> how come i have to reinstall the nvidia drivers each time i update the kernel?
[00:47] <crimsun> because you've changed the ABI.
[00:49] <lz7> tcpdumpgod: this is not a "bitrate"
[00:49] <tcpdumpgod> im sorry lz7, whatever.
[00:49] <tcpdumpgod> you know what I mean.
[00:49] <tcpdumpgod> 16000 colors, 24000 colors
[00:50] <tcpdumpgod> etc.
[00:50] <lz7> and you may try lowering res, but it should be fine with 1680
[00:50] <lz7> what is your CPU and how much memory you have?
[00:50] <tcpdumpgod> I'd think so to... one thing I did notice in DMESG was the following.
[00:50] <tcpdumpgod> [   46.969693] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
[00:50] <lz7> this is normal
[00:50] <tcpdumpgod> Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.40GHz w/1GB of Ram.
[00:51] <tcpdumpgod> okay lz7
[00:51] <VanDyke> that is fine
[00:51] <lz7> what exactly you mean by "sluggish"?
[00:51] <VanDyke> and what kind of video are you playing
[00:51] <tcpdumpgod> Flash.
[00:51] <tcpdumpgod> Youtube video.
[00:51] <VanDyke> hmmm
[00:51] <tcpdumpgod> I'll try a DVD...
[00:51] <VanDyke> should be fine
[00:52] <VanDyke> I'd be pretty suspicious of driver
[00:52] <tcpdumpgod> Milo & Otis FTW!
[00:52] <tcpdumpgod> Well, it says direct rendering is enabled, and Im fairly good w/computers.
[00:52] <tcpdumpgod> And linux, and I know its working.
[00:53] <tcpdumpgod> Okay, the DVD test told me a lot.
[00:53] <lz7> hmm. do you have problem with desktop/compiz? or only with playing flash on youtube?
[00:53] <tcpdumpgod> I bet its the flash player.
[00:53] <tcpdumpgod> Flash and Mozilla suck. No, no 3d effects are enabled.
[00:53] <tcpdumpgod> But they work.
[00:54] <tcpdumpgod> I've gotta go eat wife calls.
[00:55] <tcpdumpgod> Im going to try tux racer or something when I return. Thanks for the help guys and gals.
[00:55] <tcpdumpgod> :)
[00:55] <roe_> <not meant to be flamebait> how stable is alpha4?  I'm looking to donate some PCs to charity and would like to put ubuntu on it.  I was unhappy with the bloat and performance of gutsy and it was my understanding the the LTS releases try to pear down and stabilize </not meant to be flamebait>
[00:56] <lz7> try it and then decide
[00:56] <lz7> i doubt it is much different
[00:56] <lz7> in term of memory requirements etc
[00:57] <lz7> for better performance you may try xubuntu
[00:58] <lz7> it have lower requirements
[00:58] <lz7> and much of default alpha 4 apps just crashing every time
[00:59] <lz7> like applets etc
[01:00] <roe_> so the alpha for xubuntu is not stable?
[01:00] <lz7> what you think "alpha" mean?
[01:02] <roe_> well I lead my question with how stable is alpha4? and you said that you doubted it was much different that gutsy, which, while it was bloated and not rock solid, was passable as a desktop OS, then you say that the applets all crash everytime, so you confuse me
[01:05] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah, 3D games are flawless lz7 :)
[01:05] <tcpdumpgod> Its just the crappy flash plugin.
[01:05] <tcpdumpgod> Maybe i'll try Opera or something.
[01:08] <ethana3> epiphany?
[01:08] <lz7> tcpdumpgod: its not browser problem, flash is slowing down any browser or OS
[01:08] <lz7> even on my core 2 duo 2.4 ghz
[01:09] <lz7> some sites are awful
[01:09] <ethana3> how far along is gnash now?
[01:09] <ethana3> and how does it perform?
[01:09] <tcpdumpgod> thats what i thought ethana3...
[01:10] <tcpdumpgod> It sucks :(
[01:10] <ethana3> well it will suck for compatibility
[01:10] <ethana3> but for what it can already handle, like youtube
[01:10] <ethana3> is it faster?
[01:11] <tcpdumpgod> Youtube is slow.
[01:11] <tcpdumpgod> in full screen.
[01:12] <tcpdumpgod> If I have more than one tab open using flash on any of my linux machines (all three of them) firefox will stall and I have to manually kill the process.
[01:13] <lz7> on x86_64 it is even worse, it segfaults every time
[01:13] <DanaG> Flash just plain sucks, in my opinion.
[01:14] <DanaG> Plus, it likes to obscure page content.
[01:14] <lz7> i hated it since its born
[01:15] <tcpdumpgod> lz7, are you using ndiswrapper with the 32 bit flash, i guess so. I dont think they've made a 64Bit flash.
[01:15] <tcpdumpgod> I may be mistaken.
[01:15] <tcpdumpgod> amen DanaG !
[01:15] <lz7> tcpdumpgod: yes with wrapper
[01:16] <lz7> well it work kind of ok for most sites
[01:16] <lz7> kind of
[01:16] <lz7> not counting slowdowns
[01:16] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah.
[01:16] <tcpdumpgod> They need to seriously do some dev. work on flash for linux period.
[01:17] <tcpdumpgod> Opera seems to be faster than Swiftweasel though...
[01:17] <roe_> anyone know where the netboot images are?
[01:18] <tcpdumpgod> they're on most mirrors i believe rockets
[01:18] <tcpdumpgod> i mena roe_
[01:18] <tcpdumpgod> lol
[01:19] <rockets> rockets, huh?
[01:19] <rockets> lol
[01:19] <rockets> oh
[01:19] <tcpdumpgod> I love deluge.
[01:19] <tcpdumpgod> Im a Houstonian so... GO ROCKETS! (I guess :\)
[01:19] <roe_> tcpdumpgod, yes I looked at one of them and didn't see it in the list
[01:20] <tcpdumpgod> Interesting, you're looking for the net install for hardy?
[01:20] <roe_> at the moment I'll settle for the net install for any release
[01:21] <roe_> but ultimately yes for hardy
[01:21] <tcpdumpgod> roe_, should it not be this ISO? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/hardy-alternate-i386.iso
[01:21] <tcpdumpgod> Check this page out http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-4/
[01:22] <roe_> the alternate image is the textual or ncurses based image not the net boot image
[01:22] <roe_> sorry, net boot not net install
[01:22] <roe_> multitasking got the better of me
[01:23] <lz7> never heard of "netboot" images of ubuntu
[01:23] <lz7> ...
[01:23] <roe_> I have all but gutsy and hardy, just can't seem to remember where I got them from
[01:24] <tcpdumpgod> I'
[01:24] <tcpdumpgod> I found it
[01:24] <tcpdumpgod> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[01:24] <lz7> how they are named?
[01:24] <roe_> bingo thanx
[01:24] <tcpdumpgod> No problem roe_ ...
[01:25] <lz7> wow they have another site for images
[01:25] <lz7> :/
[01:25] <roe_> it should be easier to find
[01:25] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah.
[01:25] <lz7> mmm its repository
[01:28] <lz7> what this netboot does?
[01:28] <lz7> 9 mb in size!
[01:28] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah, im sure that'll load basically nothing.
[01:28] <tcpdumpgod> lol
[01:29] <tcpdumpgod> You need at least the basic tools.
[01:50] <lz7> any way to disable web page "stuckage" when mouse pointer is over flash banner?
[01:55] <ethana3> lz7: flashblock?
[01:55] <ethana3> lz7: adblock?
[01:55] <ethana3> lz7: both?
[01:56] <lz7> this is for disabling flash? it is too radical...
[01:56] <tcpdumpgod> lol @ "stuckage"
[01:57] <tcpdumpgod> Yeah, "killall -9 firefox usually works for me"
[01:57] <DanaG> The major stuckage I have is KEYBOARD stuckage.
[01:57] <lz7> no, this is not what i mean
[01:57] <tcpdumpgod> lz7, have you ever tried Swiftweasel?
[01:57] <DanaG> Try doing ANYTHING with Xorg thinking the 'super' key is held down.
[01:57] <tcpdumpgod> I know lz7, I was messing with youy.
[01:57] <tcpdumpgod> -y.
[01:57] <tcpdumpgod> KEYBOARD stuckage i believe is the worst.
[01:58] <tcpdumpgod> Hello burner_
[02:04] <lz7> ethana3: thanks for flashblock, it is not what i wanted, but probably viable workaround
[02:05] <lz7> at least pages is not stucking now
[02:06] <lz7> i hate flash
[02:18] <lz7> what ubufox firefox addon does?
[02:18] <lz7> which is installed by default
[02:30] <Dr_willis> i tend to use flashblock and/or noscript
[02:43] <lz7> i noticed font rendering on web pages incorrect now in hardy, when "fi" or "fl" combination is used
[02:46] <lz7> ff also
[02:48] <lz7> happens with serif font
[03:12] <theAtom> how can i upgrade 7.10 to Hardy Heron?
[03:13] <rsk> if you dont know you really shouldn't
[03:14] <rsk> theAtom: what's the reason you want to run unstable software?
[03:14] <theAtom> boredom
[03:14] <theAtom> good enough reason? lol
[03:14] <rsk> sure
[03:14] <theAtom> ok
[03:14] <theAtom> :)
[03:14] <theAtom> besides i backed up 7.10 with acronis trueimage
[03:14] <rsk> run sudo update-manager -d
[03:14] <theAtom> so just wanna play around
[03:14] <theAtom> ok ty
[03:15] <theAtom> can i run it with chat open?
[03:15] <rsk> sure
[03:15] <theAtom> or need to close everything?
[03:15] <rsk> nope
[03:15] <theAtom> i have firefox open too
[03:15] <theAtom> ok
[03:16] <theAtom> brb
[03:16] <lz7> isnt hardy repos should be enabled first?
[03:18] <rsk> no
[03:18] <rsk> the manager takes care of that
[03:24] <ethana2> theAtom: boredom can be very dangerous
[03:25] <ethana2> but props to all the devs who make FOSS so exciting
[04:54] <c1|freaky> hi all. im trying to apt-get update but it tells me
[04:54] <c1|freaky> W: Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/Release nicht holen  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[04:55] <c1|freaky> is the .de mirror broken?
[05:00] <lz7> why you not try another mirror
[05:02] <c1|freaky> where can I find other mirrors?
[05:03] <c1|freaky> sorryi just woke up im still a bit sleepy
[05:03] <lz7> system->administration->software sources
[05:03] <c1|freaky> im on kubuntu
[05:04] <c1|freaky> i dont have that
[05:04] <lz7> sources.lst file in...
[05:05] <lz7> wait a second
[05:06] <c1|freaky> ok
[05:06] <lz7> btw dosnt adept (isnt it manager for kde) have something similiar?
[05:07] <lz7> -> /etc/apt/sources.list remove "de." in this file
[05:07] <c1|freaky> wait a second ill have a lot
[05:07] <c1|freaky> shouldnt i replace it with something?
[05:08] <lz7> no
[05:08] <c1|freaky> hm, ok
[05:09] <c1|freaky> i've removed all .de s it still says the same even with the de.archive part
[05:10] <c1|freaky> W: Konnte http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-security/Release nicht holen  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[05:10] <c1|freaky> W: Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/Release nicht holen  Unable to find expected entry  web/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[05:10] <lz7> i have seen this error somewhere in google
[05:11] <lz7> maybe your update manager is broken
[05:11] <c1|freaky> it works for some other repos
[05:12] <c1|freaky> ill search google.l thank you
[05:13] <c1|freaky> ok fixed
[05:13] <c1|freaky> thank you :DD
[05:14] <lz7> how?
[05:14] <c1|freaky> somehow there was a "web" entry added
[05:14] <c1|freaky> at the end of some lines
[05:14] <lz7> yeah i found same resolution
[05:14] <c1|freaky> wasn't me ... i removed it, now it works
[05:21] <lz7> i would like to notice Total Received and Total Send values in System Monitor, Network History is somewhat useless and misleading for me... example: i have eth0 connected to ppp0 (modem), when i download, data counts TWICE, one for ppp0 and one for eth0... so if i download 100 mb, system monitor shows 200 mb...
[05:23] <lz7> and it says "receiving 120 KB/s" but download speed is half of it
[05:47] <voidmage> does transmission support peerguardian? also, is clutch packaged in hardy?
[05:48] <VanDyke> hardyyyy
[05:48] <lz7> i can see clutch 0.4 in repo
[05:49] <voidmage> awesome
[05:49] <voidmage> is there any way in transmission to have an ip filter thing like in ktorrent or peerguardian?
[05:50] <VanDyke> iptables?
[06:01] <Assid> clutch ?
[06:01] <voidmage> Assid: a web interface for transmission
[06:03] <lz7> voidmage: deluge support ip filtering
[06:15] <VanDyke> gosh
[06:15] <VanDyke> bluetack utilities are windows only
[06:15] <VanDyke> peerguardian is also windows only
[06:58] <simi> hi, does anyone know if evolution-data-server-2.22 eating lot of CPU (>60%)  is a bug or is indexing something?
[07:01] <cwillu> simi, probably just indexing;  what happens if you pause the tracker via the tray, and wait a minute or two?
[07:01] <simi> cwillu: i had waited some time and killed the process, next time i will do that
[07:02] <cwillu> also interesting to know if renice 20'ing it improves matters, or if you also have to run an ionice on it to bring the ui responsiveness back
[07:03] <simi> other problem i found is that i want to disable some keyboard shortucts and this have no effect, i am tring to run a terminal with alt+space but the menu appears(i disabled that shortcut)
[07:04] <cwillu> (for point of comparison, I've got dpkg overridden to "ionice -c3 nice -n 20 dpkg $*", which I find dramatically improves responsiveness)
[07:05] <cwillu> (I like to play quake while running updates :p)
[07:57] <Assid> anyhone know any "decent" webcams known to work on linux
[07:58] <Assid> my current one just doesnt work
[07:58] <Assid> !webcams
[07:58] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[08:03] <Frogzoo> is there a quick doc that explains building .debs? looking through the debian manual atm, and it seems a huge amount to learn..
[08:20] <VanDyke> I'm trying with my creative livecam notebook
[08:22] <Assid> i need to get a decent cam
[08:23] <Assid> (process:25721): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[08:23] <Assid> err.. wtf? im trying to x11 forward but i get this error
[08:24] <VanDyke> yeah easycam doesnt get my cam
[08:24] <qzio> anyone knows when we can expect an fix of the local root vuln in splice?
[08:24] <Assid> linux webcam support sucks
[08:30] <Assid> i have a very weird issue
[08:30] <Assid> i cant shutdown / reboot.. X hangs on me
[08:31] <Assid> so i run the shutdown/reboot sequence. wait till nothings but the wallpaper can be seen.. hit CTRL ALT BKSPC
[09:10] <simi> hi, after every login my resolution defaults to 1400x... and i every time make it 1024x.... and all is working but after restart or log out it defaults back to 1400x...,
[09:10] <simi> do i have to edit xorg.conf and put it there or ubuntu will change it back to 1400x...?
[09:26] <simi> and the mouse cursor dissapers when i change the resolution, my fix is to start something that will paint that cursor animation for busy/loading
[09:50] <simi> i want to use Alt+space key shortcut for launching katapult(i tried to launch the terminal with this and it will not work)  always the mouse context menu appears
[09:51] <simi> no, is the window menu but it appears near the mouse
[09:51] <simi> but i disable it
[10:17] <qzio> hmm, X krashes for me unexpectly... no kernel panic, nothing in the syslog/messages
[10:17] <qzio> i've checked Xorg.log too
[10:17] <qzio> i can ssh to the machine and restart gdm to get my X back, but then the external monitor will only be black..
[10:18] <qzio> or is  "CPU0 attaching sched-domain:" suspicious? (in syslog it think it was)
[10:31] <telexicon> How do I disable the awful beeping noise when I change the volume using keyboard shortcuts?
[11:59] <realz`> hey guys how's hardy coming along?
[12:13] <coz_> well I have waited since Breezy for   "wayv" to work properly on Ubuntu , now on hardy,  I cross my fingers because I haven;t  rebooted,  it is working :)
[12:53] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Hi there, any news about iwl driver broken in last update?
[12:53] <Le-Chuck_IT1> iwl3945
[13:47] <napsy_> is nautilus going to be updated any time soon?
[13:48] <bardyr> gnome 2.21.91 should be on its way
[13:53] <MagicFab> Are there any notes or docs about upgrading from 6.06 LTS to 8.04 LTS ?
[13:57] <scizzo-> MagicFab: well the 8.04 is still under development.....
[13:57] <scizzo-> MagicFab: when the release is done I would say there will be notes about it
[13:58] <MagicFab> scizzo-, I imagine that. However in order to do pre-release tests, however docs and functionality are needed before the release
[13:58] <realz`> what is the best feature i can expect from Hardy as a normal desktop user?
[13:58] <MagicFab> realz`, I can tell quite a few on a laptop
[13:59] <realz`> in ssupend gonna work for nvidia users? it already works 90% of time...but will it be 100% reliable in 8.04?
[13:59] <scizzo-> MagicFab: AFAIK the www.ubuntu.com/testing site is a good place to start...
[13:59] <MagicFab> realz`, better hardware support (webcams, network, audio that I've seen) comes to mind - more apps too.
[13:59] <MagicFab> realz`, only nvidia can answer that.
[14:00] <realz`> MagicFab: my laptop already has all of these working...
[14:00] <realz`> MagicFab: is evolution getting any better?
[14:00] <MagicFab> realz`, did you hack them in (compile or install anything manually) or where they just working out of the box ??
[14:00] <MagicFab> If removing evolution cleanly means better to you, yes.
[14:01] <MagicFab> realz`, seriously, I don't know much or use Evo at all.
[14:01] <realz`> MagicFab: out of box...i just upgraded the firmware for iwl4965...but it also worked out of the box...i was facing some issue where it automatically disconnected
[14:01] <scizzo-> realz`: please look at www.ubuntu.com/testing for notes about the releases that has come so far
[14:01] <realz`> MagicFab: When ur company uses MS exchange server, you dont seem to have much option
[14:02] <scizzo-> realz`: if you want to know if there is changes in the programs themselves I suggest to look at the program website and check if there is a deb package for it in hardy
[14:02] <MagicFab> realz`, right :(
[14:02] <realz`> right
[14:02] <realz`> MagicFab: One more thing...i use TVOUT...will 8.04 support hot plugging.?
[14:02] <MagicFab> realz`, any new feature you were looking for or just asking generally >
[14:03] <AnRkey> i know this is not the ubuntu support #, but i have a dev'ish question
[14:03] <MagicFab> realz`, I haven't seen that.
[14:03] <AnRkey> How do i rename the applications menu in ubuntu?
[14:03] <realz`> MagicFab: generally asking to attract more migrations from xp to 804...for people who resisted 7.10
[14:03] <AnRkey> is it hard set or is it a language file?
[14:05] <realz`> MagicFab: so even in 8.04 i will ahve to restart X to enable TV out
[14:06] <scizzo-> realz`: that I belive is also a nvidia and xorg question
[14:06] <scizzo-> realz`: not a ubuntu in general question
[14:06] <realz`> hmmm
[14:07] <MagicFab> realz`, actually, no, I think xrandr would now take care of that
[14:08] <realz`> MagicFab: sorry i didnt get it...will i have to restart X or not?
[14:09] <MagicFab> realz`, I would think not, although you may still have to use xrandr to manually set TV out on if using open source drivers
[14:09] <MagicFab> depending on chipsets...
[14:09] <realz`> ok
[14:10]  * scizzo- would transfer the tvout stuff to a different display and then keep that in the background if he used tvout
[14:11] <scizzo-> realz`: you are using a laptop right?
[14:11] <realz`> yes
[14:11] <scizzo-> hmmm
[14:12] <realz`> i have configured my xorg.conf to have 2 x servers...when i plug in tv out..then restart tv works...otherwise i just have one X
[14:14] <scizzo-> realz`: well xrandr can trigger the TVout
[14:15] <scizzo-> otherwise you have displayconfig-gtk
[14:15] <realz`> displayconfig-gtk doesnt work for me...
[14:15] <scizzo-> realz`: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-625435.html
[14:15] <realz`> i am more comfortable doing it by hand
[14:15] <scizzo-> realz`: some fun discussion
[14:15]  * realz` checks it out
[14:15] <realz`> So whats the best (best) feature in 8.04...
[14:16] <scizzo-> realz`: check www.ubuntu.com/testing
[14:17] <realz`> scizzo-: would this work with prop nvidia driver or i have to use NV?
[14:18] <scizzo-> realz`: I am not sure....long time since I was doing things with tvout....
[14:19] <realz`> i will definitely give xvattr a try
[14:21] <scizzo-> realz`: worst case senario...you just uninstall it... :P
[14:22] <realz`> yeah
[14:23] <MagicFab> Regarding LT(6.06) to LTS (8.04) upgrades, this was just published: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
[14:29] <realz`> where can i see what new packages will be installed when user updates from 7.10 to 8.04?
[14:35] <coz_> realz`, here is a list of sfotware pacakges   http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/
[14:50] <Le-Chuck_IT2> Hi there, my wireless card does no longer associated after last updates to hardy
[14:50] <Le-Chuck_IT2> it's an intel (iwl3945)
[14:52] <lz7> i dont know if it will work but you may try loading with previous kernel (press ESC at grub loading)
[14:52] <mateusz> Hi
[14:53] <mateusz> how to install hardy kernel in gutsy?
[14:53] <Le-Chuck_IT2> I am now realizing that it was not latest upgrade
[14:53] <Le-Chuck_IT2> because last kernel upgrade was not yesterday
[14:53] <Le-Chuck_IT2> maybe networkmanager
[14:54] <lz7> mateusz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=646755
[14:54] <Le-Chuck_IT2> is there an history of all upgrades to the system?
[14:55] <lz7> /var/log/dpkg.log
[14:56] <Le-Chuck_IT2> lz7: thanks
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_IT2> it is indeed latest kernel upgrad
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_IT2> e
[14:58] <Le-Chuck_IT2> nobody here owns a card using iwl3945 driver?
[14:59] <Pici> I do, but I havent rebooted in a while.
[15:03] <Le-Chuck_IT2> Pici what kernel version are you running?
[15:03] <Pici> Linux romulus 2.6.24-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 7 01:29:58 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[15:03] <Le-Chuck_IT2> and your card associates correctly to the AP?
[15:04] <Le-Chuck_IT2> I have 2.6.24-7 too
[15:04] <Pici> Seems to work fine.
[15:04] <Pici> Well, obviously. I'm ssh-ed in to it right now.
[15:05] <Le-Chuck_IT2> great so I will never understand what my problem is :)
[15:06] <Le-Chuck_IT2> Pici: can you grep your dmesg for "invalid aid"
[15:06] <Le-Chuck_IT2> ?
[15:06] <Pici> Le-Chuck_IT2: sure, hold on.
[15:07] <Pici> No results
[15:07]  * DanaG has an iwl3945 and uses WPA2....
[15:07] <DanaG> I haven't really had any major issues, actually.
[15:08] <Le-Chuck_IT2> I am now seeing in a forum that this might be due to numbers in the WEP passprhase
[15:08] <Le-Chuck_IT2> this is, indeed, my case
[15:14] <oloughlin75> I can no longer use any of the modules? in system settings. They all tell me that python2.5 is not in the build paths
[15:15] <oloughlin75> is KDE4 supposed to break them?
[15:18] <Q-FUNK> I'm not sure against which package to report this, but libsasl2* and libssl0.9.8 have a recursive loop that prevent a successful upgrade from gutsy to hardy.
[15:19] <Q-FUNK> probably just a matter of fixing the dependencies between those packages but, not knowing what libsasl2* does, I'm unable to suggest what would be the proper fix.
[15:29] <`Matir> Is KDE4 broken for AMD64?
[15:31] <lz7> from what i read on a web it is broken for all
[15:40] <nanonyme> !schedule
[15:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[15:46] <MagicFab> nanonyme, that needs updating. It should link to the wiki instead.
[15:46] <nanonyme> care to poke the real link?
[15:47] <lz7> and they blamed vista for eating memory lol, ubuntu now uses 447 mb of memory, and i'm running only pidging (35mb) and transmission (16 mb). vista consume almost the SAME.
[15:47] <MagicFab> nanonyme, hadn't seen the 2nd link which has a link to , well, the actual (updated) schedule -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[15:47] <nanonyme> ah
[15:47] <MagicFab> lz7, of course you are aware and took note of the difference in memory management of both
[15:47] <nanonyme> i was mostly just wondering on the release date for Hardy
[15:48] <selckin> free memory = wasted memory
[15:48] <MagicFab> "planned for April 2008" :)
[15:49] <`Matir> I have 1.8GB used... though 1.2G of that is buffer/cache
[15:50] <nanonyme> heh
[15:50] <MagicFab> lz7, I gather you are running on 512MB or 1GB ?
[15:50]  * nanonyme is running on 2GB <3
[15:50] <lz7> MagicFab: i have 2 gb of ram
[15:50]  * DanaG has just 1 GB.
[15:51] <MagicFab> lz7, interesting, so it should raise as you use it ("Not a Metric"!)
[15:51] <MagicFab> lz7 from command line type "free -m" and you'll see what is used for buffering / cache
[15:52] <MagicFab> me:
[15:52] <MagicFab>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[15:52] <MagicFab> Mem:          1962       1086        876          0        187        499
[15:52] <lz7> actually i read on a forum about bug in mem reporting for AMD64 cuz of apps alignment to 1MB boundaries
[15:53] <selckin> getting accurate memory usage has always been a problem on linux
[15:53] <lz7> MagicFab: Mem:          total 2014      used 1907     free   106       shared   0      buffers   38     cached  1404
[15:54] <lz7> plus i can't see what uses so much memory in "processes" tab
[15:54] <MagicFab> use top instead
[15:56] <lz7> i wonder how they get linux running on smartphones
[15:57] <selckin> try slabtop to see what your kernel is using, mine 100mb
[15:59] <Le-Chuck_IT2> what's the source package of linux-image-2.6.24-7? How do I find that to report my bug?
[15:59] <lz7> selckin: where to look at? Active /Total Size? 73/76 mb
[16:06] <WorldBFree> how do i boot a hardy image directly from my hd?  i saw a tutorial for 7.10 but it doesnt quite work.  it wont load any modules
[16:06] <WorldBFree> when i try it with hardy that is
[16:11] <rsk> hello i just upgraded to +1
[16:11] <rsk> and i wondered if there is some 'clean' sources.list for hardy
[16:11] <rsk> mine is pretty much borked.
[16:11] <rsk> it wont even connect to any server when i run apt-get update :)
[16:15] <Reaby> did you upgrade update-manager -d or by forking sources.list by hand
[16:15] <rsk> i ran update-manager -d
[16:15] <rsk> and i only had winehq repo that was 3rd party
[16:15] <Reaby> wierd
[16:15] <rsk> cause ubuntu has broken and old wine
[16:16] <rsk> sooo is there such a thing? :P
[16:18] <Reaby> i could send mine, but atm i'm not with my other computer - have only dapper under hood
[16:18] <rsk> mkay
[16:20] <Reaby> rsk: found one --> http://fr.pastebin.ca/868272'
[16:20] <Reaby> without '
[16:20] <Reaby> http://fr.pastebin.ca/868272
[16:21] <rsk> how nice of you
[16:21] <rsk> thanks
[16:21] <rsk> but that is for amd64
[16:21] <rsk> or dosen't it matter?
[16:21] <rsk> oh it's the cd and it's commented
[16:21] <rsk> guess it will work anyway :)
[16:22] <Reaby> it should work
[17:25] <Xemanth> does amd64 version have working flash with konqueror?
[17:25] <Xemanth> kubuntu hardy
[17:26] <rsk> thanks Reaby
[17:26] <rsk> it worked fine
[17:33] <pupu> excuse me do you now how to change in Hardy the partitions' name on the Desktop and in the Resources menu? In Gutsy they had the name of the mount point, and I'd like to have it back. Thank you.
[17:40] <Assid> err how do you browser a NFS ?
[17:40] <Assid> and is it suggested to keep nfs mounts?
[17:42] <atrus> hmm. my pulseaudio performance became dismal when i upgraded from 2.6.24-5 to 2.6.24-7. downgrading made everything usable again.
[18:20] <Konstigt> I have now discussed with my self for long enough on Launchpad 188389. Can someone help me fix it/close it?
[18:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188389 in mesa-utils "Top panels doesn't exist on any windows until I do 'metacity --replace'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188389
[18:29] <luksmann> can somebody help me with my xorg.conf?
[18:30] <luksmann> currently login does not work. after I've entered username + pw the screen shows the ubuntu background and the mousecursor but it just stops there
[18:30] <rsk> is it giving you nigtmares?
[18:31] <luksmann> I am using a core2duo, 2gig ram and an ati mobility x1600
[18:31] <luksmann> yes! :(
[18:31] <luksmann> cant sleep at night...
[18:31] <cwillu> luksmann, log into a virtual terminal, try running DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace (just in case it's a compiz problem you're seeing)
[18:33] <luksmann> failsafe xorg config is working...
[18:34] <luksmann> when trying to login gdm log shows this as last entry: (EE) fglrx(0): [drm] failed to remove DRM signal handler
[18:37] <luksmann> frustrating...
[18:41] <jussi01> Hmmm, how do I get restricted drivers in Kubuntu hardy?
[18:42] <Pici> jockey perhaps? /me is guessing
[18:42] <jussi01> Pici: yeah, thought it might be that, I think only gtk is finished atm, IIRC
[18:42] <Pici> Hm.
[18:43] <cwillu> gtk would still work though
[18:51] <scizzo-> well changing CPU and motherboard for the generic kernel is no problem.. :)
[18:52] <webwolf_27> scizzo-, it may cause problems with X11 if using onboard graphics
[18:52] <scizzo-> webwolf_27: had no problem
[18:52] <scizzo-> webwolf_27: but I am using a Nvidia GTS 8800
[18:53] <webwolf_27> scizzo-, using the simmalar chips on both boards
[20:10] <canthony> anyone get a "flashing" between usplash and gdm
[20:10] <soc> h
[20:10] <soc> i
[20:11] <soc> gnome-settings-deamon crashes here on x64 ...
[20:11] <soc> someone experienced that too?
[20:18] <tcpdumpgod> Hi all, anyone know an easy way of automating openvpn connecting?
[20:19] <tcpdumpgod> I guess, like an init script or something?
[20:29] <regulate> can someone take a look at #189005 in launchpad
[20:30] <scizzo-> !bug #189005
[20:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189005 in dpkg "dpkg fails with deconf locked" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189005
[20:35] <scizzo-> looks like grub is doing something....not sure though
[20:37] <regulate> update-grub calls debconf-loadtemplate
[20:40] <scizzo-> regulate: is the package in rc when doing: dpkg -l | grep package?
[20:43] <scizzo-> regulate: or does: dpkg --debug=3773 -i /var/cache package.deb tell you anything?
[20:54] <regulate> scizzo-: no the package is in iF state.
[21:04] <regulate> well, looks like frontend is forked off to run the postinst script which uses Debconf. before it finishes, update-grub is launched, which also uses the Debconf modules, both want an exclusive lock
[21:04] <regulate> smells like a design bug
[21:23] <timing> shit my soundcard broke with the last update
[21:24] <jussi01> !ohmy
[21:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:24] <timing> hehe
[21:24] <timing> o the first word! ha sorry
[21:24] <awalton__> timing, you're not the only one -_-
[21:24] <timing> what changed what broke it?
[21:24] <awalton__> every time the kernel team sneezes my sound goes away
[21:25] <timing> i hear krrt krrt
[21:25] <jussi01> anyone know the state of compiz atm?
[21:26] <timing> runs good overhere
[21:27] <timing> but i have to turn it of for videoplayback tho
[21:27] <coz_> jussi01, compiz is good at the moment :)
[21:27] <jussi01> cool, thank you :)
[21:27] <coz_> jussi01, for more info join us on #compiz-fusion
[21:27] <jussi01> coz_: thanks :)
[21:36] <nekostar> hey is kde4 default in ter new 'buntu?
[21:48] <cyphase> What does everyone think about including ndiswrapper support by default, including an easy GUI?
[21:48] <Rubin> is it legal?
[21:48] <cyphase> why wouldn't it be?
[21:50] <bardyr> cyphase, ndiswrapper is already on the live cd
[21:50] <cyphase> bardyr: i know
[21:51] <cyphase> bardyr: i'm talking about integrating it with the default desktop
[21:51] <cyphase> it isn't even installed by default, which seems strange. if it's on the cd, install it..
[21:52] <scizzo-> cyphase: I would suggest to have a dep on it in that case to see if it is needed for the computer installing
[21:54] <cyphase> scizzo-: that would work i suppose..
[21:55] <cyphase> what i really want, even if it's not installed by default, is a simple, easy to use dialog that installs the driver and configures all the right files to make it work
[21:55] <bardyr> ndis-gtk?
[21:55] <bardyr> !info ndis-gtk
[21:55] <cyphase> instead of the user having to go into /etc/blahblah and change stuff
[21:55] <ubotu> Package ndis-gtk does not exist in hardy
[21:55] <cyphase> bardyr: i know about ndis-gtk
[21:56] <cyphase> bardyr: it's so simple it can't install drivers that have a space in their path
[21:56] <bardyr> haha :D
[21:59] <nekostar> hey
[21:59] <nekostar> is there a hardy iso 'remastered' with kde4?
[22:42] <techII> im trying to compile hardy's kernel on gutsy (want to have CONFIG_NO_HZ on amd64) using the guide at "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile";  when i use "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=2 AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic", it doesn't give me a package for "linux-headers_2.6.24-7", It does give me "linux-headers_2.6.24-7-generic" which depends on the missing package
[22:45] <crimsun> d'oh, hard versioned dependency on m-i-t
[22:59] <robogeek> is someone here familiar with automounting on Hardy?
[23:00] <robogeek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autofs/+bug/190737
[23:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190737 in autofs "Hi load average using in 8.04a4 NIS/Autofs setup copied from 7.10" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:34] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone know how long it will be before we see 2.6.25 in the hardy repository?
[23:38] <nekostar> eh
[23:38] <nekostar> anyone getting good burns in k3b?
[23:38] <selckin> not for a long time, but i blame hardware
[23:38] <nekostar> i was getting good burns till this upgrade
[23:39] <nekostar> darn it
[23:39] <nekostar> thats a dealbreaker for me
[23:39] <UnNaturalHigh> nekostar, are you talking about kernel 2.6.24-7?
[23:39] <nekostar> os[Linux 2.6.24-7-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[28 minutes] | cpu[Genuine Intel(R) CPU            2160  @ 1.80GHz SMP (2 processors), 2690.154 MHz (10764.63 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub (rev 02)] | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) at 3080x1050 (32 bits)] | opengl[GeForce 8600 GT/PCI/SSE2 powered by NVIDIA Corporation with d
[23:39] <nekostar> river 2.1.2 NVIDIA 169.09] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.46]
[23:39] <selckin> i stopped burning :\ external hardware are cheaper then cds as storage and way more practival </offtopic>
[23:39] <nekostar> UnNaturalHigh yeah
[23:39]  * nekostar peers
[23:40] <nekostar> hey u on rizon?
[23:40] <UnNaturalHigh> nekostar, my hard drives won't even mount
[23:40] <UnNaturalHigh> nekostar, yes
[23:40] <nekostar> ahh sup o/
[23:40] <nekostar> your hdd's wont mount? lol
[23:40] <UnNaturalHigh> at school writing a research proposal
[23:40] <nekostar> i got into hardy via an upgrade
[23:40] <UnNaturalHigh> nekostar, no, it complains about fsck failed and throws me to a bash prompt
[23:40] <nekostar> zomg
[23:41] <nekostar> boot to live and backup files immediately
[23:41] <UnNaturalHigh> I backup once a week
[23:41] <UnNaturalHigh> on sunday at 12pm
[23:41] <UnNaturalHigh> so I should be good
[23:41]  * UnNaturalHigh is in 2.6.24-5 right now
[23:41] <nekostar> hm
[23:42] <nekostar> i wonder if i downgraded kernels if k3b would work....
[23:56] <gribelu> Package dnsmasq is broken (in hardy, maybe gutsy too?).. "dnsmasq: Depends: dnsmasq-base but it is not going to be installed". dnsmasq-base exists at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/d/dnsmasq/dnsmasq-base_2.40-1ubuntu2_i386.deb but even if i install it with dpkg dnsmasq can't be installed
[23:57] <gribelu> is that a known problem or..?