[00:30] <lns> ogra_cmpc, haven't you done work with Koolu TCs before?
[01:10] <ari_stress> morning
[01:18] <TelnetManta> evening
[08:22] <Brenwil> hi all
[08:22] <Brenwil> blank
[09:12] <lanhelp> hello
[09:12] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> hi
[09:12] <lanhelp> I have a doubt about thin clients bootup
[09:13] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> what happened?
[09:13] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> are u using edubuntu?
[09:13] <lanhelp> thin clients boots properly, works great
[09:13] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> thats a good start hehe
[09:14] <lanhelp> but its takes 2 minutes between kernel loading and the start of the boot process
[09:14] <lanhelp> sticks on .................Done.
[09:14] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> oh ok
[09:15] <lanhelp> seems that nothing happens during this time
[09:15] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> tell me exactly, what does it say before the .......
[09:15] <lanhelp> 1. kernel loads faster
[09:15] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> is it TFTP.................?
[09:15] <lanhelp> all the dots ...................................
[09:15] <lanhelp> yes
[09:16] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> its your network
[09:16] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> how many clients do you have?
[09:16] <lanhelp> 5
[09:16] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> which type of network card is in the server?
[09:16] <lanhelp> the kernel tftp download is very fast
[09:16] <lanhelp> 2 seconds to show all the dots
[09:17] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> ah
[09:17] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> oh ok
[09:17] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> thats different
[09:17] <lanhelp> the problem is after the tftp
[09:17] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> so its actually boot
[09:17] <lanhelp> yes
[09:17] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> hmmmm, what are your clients?
[09:17] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> old pcs?
[09:17] <lanhelp> all the clients have this behaviour
[09:17] <ogra> edit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove "quiet" and "splash" that will give you more output than dots ;)
[09:17] <lanhelp> pentium 4
[09:18] <lanhelp> 256mb of ram
[09:18] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> yeah i think ogra can help you more with this than me
[09:18] <lanhelp> after the 2 minutes , it begins to show text output on the screen and its very fast to bring LDM
[09:19] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> after you do what ogra says with that file tell us the output
[09:19] <lanhelp> I think something is hanging the initial boot proccess
[09:19] <lanhelp> ok, I will do that know
[09:20] <lanhelp> thanks!
[09:36] <lanhelp> removing quiet and splash doesnt show me nothing during the pause
[09:36] <lanhelp> i got a new problem!
[09:36] <lanhelp> ldm says now that the ws inst authorized to connect
[09:37] <lanhelp> I do the command ltsp-update-sshkeys
[09:37] <lanhelp> and workstations stopped
[09:40] <lanhelp> about the hanging problem, the keyboard doesnt work, numlock or any light change
[09:41] <lanhelp> during the 2 minutes
[09:41] <lanhelp> it really freezes
[09:44] <lanhelp> wich is the next step after tftp download? kernel execution?
[09:44] <ogra> the dots you see if quiet is switched on are actually the decompression process of the kernel
[09:52] <lanhelp> yes
[09:53] <lanhelp> the ws hangs, the keyboard hangs, after 2 minutes text output from bootup process appears and keyboard is functional again
[09:54] <lanhelp> the system is working very good after that
[09:55] <lanhelp> in some ws, net shows one line, like RHINE LINK ON
[09:55] <lanhelp> after ......Done.
[09:55] <lanhelp> others not
[09:55] <lanhelp> but all ws hangs
[09:57] <ogra> is the switch you have sitting between server and clients managed ?
[10:03] <lanhelp> no is passive
[10:06] <lanhelp> i can try to connect a croosover directly between server and one client to see
[10:08] <lanhelp> with 7.04 i got no problem here
[10:08] <ogra> was the server that has the prob upgraded or freshly installed ?
[10:09] <lanhelp> freshly
[10:09] <lanhelp> Im very excited about ltsp in gutsy
[10:09] <lanhelp> very reliable
[10:10] <lanhelp> its a transport company in brazil
[10:10] <lanhelp> we have 5 stations at present time
[10:10] <ogra> well, it has its bugs .... we changed a lot of stuff in gutsy that didnt go without damage ... hardy will improve a lot since we didnt do any feature development at all this time ... only bugfixing
[10:12] <das-t> ogra: are you a developer? we noticed that some clients that had no problem with 7.04 only boot into a resolution of 800 with 7.10 which is why we will skipp the latest release
[10:13] <das-t> i am just about to test this over here @ my end
[10:13] <lanhelp> I have 3 ltsp servers working, Im planing
[10:14] <lanhelp> to switch to hardy on may
[10:14] <lanhelp> im not a dev (yet!)
[10:14] <lanhelp> I got the 800x600 prob here
[10:14] <lanhelp> in some stations
[10:14] <lanhelp> but its solved now
[10:15] <lanhelp> all working under gutsy
[10:15] <lanhelp> the sound system on 7.10 is very good
[10:16] <das-t> with the latest updates? did you get clients running that way that did not work at the beginning of release 7.10?
[10:16] <lanhelp> yes
[10:16] <lanhelp> one station
[10:16] <lanhelp> with nvidia riva tnt card
[10:16] <das-t> i heard we have several boxes with this problem, though the installation might not be absolutely up to date as they are located in tansania with a very shaky internet connection ... to say the leaset.
[10:17] <das-t> i am from linux4afrika.de
[10:25] <RichEd-1> ogra ? you around
[10:39] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> i just installed 7.10, i get "this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server", is this normal? anyone know which file to put allowed hosts in or something like that?
[10:44] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> ok im running ltsp-update-image, might work:)
[11:12] <das-t> gaz_hayes_the_2n: you found it, you need to update the image if an ip address changes.
[11:13] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> ah, yeah, it works now hehe
[11:13] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> wow this is much better than k12ltsp which is what i was using before
[11:13] <gaz_hayes_the_2n> at least this has a proper implimentation of synaptic
[11:19] <highvoltage> RichEd, ogra: ping
[11:20] <RichEd> highvoltage:pong
[11:21] <highvoltage> RichEd: I think it would be useful if we joined https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-derivatives/2008-February/000081.html meeting
[11:21] <highvoltage> RichEd: even though edubuntu wouldn't strictly be a standalone installation, I think many of the common issues (artwork, etc) would still be applicable
[11:28] <alkisg> Hi guys! On Edubuntu Gutsy 7.10 my clients take a long time to logon (minutes). I've read on the lists that it may be a DNS server fault. Question: why do I need a DNS server? My router is on another subnet, the LTSP server has access to it, but not the clients. Do I have to install a DNS server to my LTSP server? Can I work around it with option root-path  "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/i386"; in lts.conf?
[11:28] <alkisg> (router = existing DNS server)
[11:35] <RichEd> === edubuntu/education meeting in #ubuntu-meeting = 25 mins ===
[11:58] <RichEd> === edubuntu/education meeting in #ubuntu-meeting = 3 mins ===
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> grr.
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, will it be long?
[12:03]  * stgraber waves
[12:03] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: not too sure ... prolly not
[12:04] <RichEd> just found out that the fridge puts the meeting an hour later than usual :(
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ DST?
[12:06] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: something funny somewhere
[12:06] <RichEd> === edubuntu/education meeting in #ubuntu-meeting = delayed for an hour ===
[12:07] <RichEd> sorry guys ... the fridge schedule was incorrect
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> these things happen
[12:07] <RichEd> i think we should stick to the advertised time
[12:07] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: if you need the sleep, we'll understand if you are not around :)
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i'm about to head off, its been a long day :)
[12:10]  * RichEd excuses Kamping_Kaiser from active duty for the extended day
[12:10]  * Kamping_Kaiser switches to inactive duty
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[12:54] <RichEd> !seen ogra
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <RichEd> highvoltage: what's happened to edubuntugirl ?
[12:55] <highvoltage> she's misbehaving again
[12:55]  * highvoltage should pay more attention to her
[12:56] <highvoltage> actually, I think I should just install a newer version of her software
[12:56] <highvoltage> should go quickly, I'll do it tonight!
[12:56] <RichEd> highvoltage: well that's what happens when you name a bot as a her ... moody, misbehaving, demands attention
[12:57] <highvoltage> RichEd: ssssh, careful!
[12:59] <RichEd> === edubuntu/education meeting in #ubuntu-meeting = 2 mins ===
[13:00] <RichEd> will probably be a short meeting ... ogra does not seem to be available today
[14:25] <stgraber> RichEd, ogra: Sorry guys, I had managed to have the 12:00-13:00 hour free for the IRC meeting but not 13:00-14:00 :(
[14:26] <RichEd> stgraber: no problem ... ogra gave us the good news <ogra> italc is uploaded
[14:26] <RichEd> and i gave thanks to you for the work on that
[14:27] <stgraber> still some bugs to fix though, it seems that all crashes aren't fixed yet. Anyway, the goal was to have it uploaded before FF and with a reasonable stability
[14:27] <stgraber> which I tink we have
[14:27] <stgraber> now we have some months to fix the remaining bugs
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[21:00] <random0ne> greetings
[21:01] <random0ne> has anyone encountered a policy authorizing or encouraging the use of open source licensing?  i am writing a proposal for our technology department
[21:01] <pygi> random0ne, what do you mean? Our government for example issued some papers that encourage usage of open source products
[21:02] <random0ne> i am tired of asking for approval to use open source licenses
[21:03] <random0ne> pygi: i want to submit a policy recommendation that makes osi licenses the norm and proprietary the exception
[21:03] <random0ne> pygi: any links you have would be greatly appriciated
[21:04] <pygi> random0ne, even If I had them, they're not in english
[21:04] <random0ne> pygi: heh.  english is the only language i'm any good in :(
[21:05] <pygi> random0ne, however ... I'd be happy to advise you when you have something ready? :)
[21:06] <random0ne> pygi: excellent
[21:07] <pygi> random0ne, are you registered at freenode?
[21:07] <pygi> I can pm you my mail
[21:07] <random0ne> my nick is registered, if that is what you mean.
[21:23] <pygi> random0ne, ok, you got pm =)
[21:23] <pygi> hey LaserJock folk :)
[21:25] <random0ne> i'm surprised i can't find any examples of policiies
[21:26] <pygi> random0ne, just write something, and we'll try to come up with something sane :)
[21:26] <random0ne> pygi: heh
[21:28] <LaserJock> hi pygi
[21:35] <random0ne> found something! http://www.utexas.edu/vp/it/policies/opensource.php
[21:49] <fredsua> Hi there.  I am a newbie to the linus system.  I was in the process of intalling edubuntu on my laptop and it seems to freeze up.
[21:50] <fredsua> I have a 930Mhz Pentium 3, 10G HD and 256RAM
[21:50] <fredsua> Right now it is frozen in the "installing system" at 15%
[21:50] <fredsua> Help!
[21:53] <fredsua> Can anyone help?
[21:55] <fredsua> help!!!
[21:57] <laga> fredsua: calm down.
[21:57] <laga> fredsua: if someone has an answer/hint, they'll let you know. not everyone in here is online all the time
[21:57] <laga> fredsua: maybe it just needs a while?
[22:00] <fredsua> unfortunately its been like this for more than 15 minutes
[22:09] <random0ne> fredsua: you could try a different installer.  many laptops have specialized hardware and there are some differences in the kernels used by the different installers
[22:09] <random0ne> fredsua: have you googled edubuntu OR ubuntu YOURLAPTOPMODEL?
[22:14] <fredsua> I was just googleing this subject.
[22:15] <fredsua> It turns out that I need to download Ubuntu Alternate and install it
[22:16] <random0ne> fredsua: nicely done
[22:16] <fredsua> then run edubuntu-desktop
[22:17] <fredsua> I wonder why edubuntu doesn't install right?
[22:18] <random0ne> fredsua: specialized laptop hardware
[22:20] <stgraber> fredsua: the live environment (graphic install) requires at least 300MB of RAM in order to work correctly
[22:20] <stgraber> fredsua: so you indeed need the alternate installer which is text based and works fine with low amount of RAM
[22:21] <stgraber> fredsua: the desktop once installed will work correctly with your 256MB, the RAM amount is only a problem during the installation
[22:23] <fredsua> I see, thanks for the info.  As a newbie, this information is readily available in the Ubuntu website and it is a bit frustrating some times.
[22:24] <fredsua> I meant to say, is not readily available.  :-)
[22:24] <johnny> you could be the first to add it :)
[22:26] <Goosemoose> When is edubuntu releasing a hardy version?
[22:28] <LaserJock> Goosemoose: same day as everybody else :-)
[22:29] <LaserJock> Goosemoose: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule for the details
[22:29] <Goosemoose> ok, im looking at one of the features in it and trying to figure out if i should postpone my 200 computer rollout
[22:29] <stgraber> Goosemoose: which one ?
[22:30] <Goosemoose> likewise
[22:30] <Goosemoose> hey stgraber
[22:30] <Goosemoose> i want the active directory login to work
[22:30] <Goosemoose> If it will work with the preseed I have right now with edubuntu then I can do that
[22:30] <Goosemoose> I know dendrobates says he updated a new build of it
[22:31] <Goosemoose> oh man, in april
[22:31] <Goosemoose> would definitely rather do this now
[22:31] <Goosemoose> anyone using likewise?
[22:31] <Goosemoose> http://www.likewisesoftware.com/products/likewise_open/