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nosrednaekimmhb➜ m... h....b works :)00:08
mhbem age bee ?00:09
nosrednaekimya :)00:10
mhbyou can't say it fast00:10
nosrednaekimyou can't say mine fast either ;)00:10
claydohmine is easy00:12
ryanakcanixternal: lol :P00:27
mhbnosrednaekim: ping00:27
nosrednaekimhey mhb00:27
mhbnosrednaekim: how do you implement QApplication() in your apps?00:28
mhbnosrednaekim: I mean the main ctor00:28
mhbQApplication(sys.argv) for example (python)00:28
mhbdo you stick it with the UI and make sure you'll init the UI only once?00:29
nosrednaekimto tell you the truth, I usually just copy a skeleton program I have(which I did not write),but let me check to see how I do it.00:29
nosrednaekimoh... I am looking at one that uses Kapplication, dopes that behave the same way?00:34
mhbI guess so00:35
nosrednaekimI don't put the sys.argv in mine....00:37
nosrednaekimI suppose I should :)00:37
* mhb yawns00:37
mhbI can't stay awake anymore...00:37
mhbtoo bad.00:37
mhbgoodnight folks00:37
nixternalanyone else with amd64 having issues with libgs8 when trying to install okular-kde4?02:41
nosrednaekimfor the package? no... it installed fine for me02:45
nixternalit isn't installing for me02:50
nixternalI need to reinstall my desktop anyways02:50
jjesse!openoffice hardy05:25
jjesse!OOO hardy05:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ooo hardy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:25
ubotua free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org05:25
jjesse!openoffice.org hardy05:25
jjesse!hardy openoffice.org05:25
jjesseargh what version of open office.org is in hardy?05:25
stdin!info openoffice.org hardy05:26
jjesse!info openoffice.org hardy05:26
ubotuopenoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.1-3ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 44 kB05:26
jjesseso version 2.305:26
jjesse!info firefox hardy05:27
ubotufirefox (source: firefox): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version (hardy), package size 8964 kB, installed size 26032 kB05:27
jjesseok heres a wierd question, how do i access help in 8.04?05:36
jjessein a kde4 session?05:37
stdindo you have khelpcenter-kde4 installed?05:39
jjessei thought so, shouldn't that be a part of 8.04?05:45
stdinI don't think it's installed with -core05:47
jjesseapparently i didn't05:47
jjessethanks stdin05:47
jjesseprobablly should be so the 8.04 kde4 users can access help :)05:47
jjessehrmmm now all i need is kubuntu docs :)05:50
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_StefanS_kwwii: nuno had to go to spain today, so he couldnt finish the last 3 buttons :( , anyway here's a screenshot: http://enhance-it.dk/pics/kwin-crystal.png (not that its only the dark ones that are new)09:25
Tonio_hey there09:33
Tonio_Riddell: fancy testing kdesudo-kde4 ?09:33
RiddellTonio_: bien sur09:34
Tonio_Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp09:35
Tonio_Riddell: a few very little issues atm, like kapplication doesn't quit on cancel, but that should have very few consequences09:36
Tonio_Riddell: I tested with the "run dolphin as root", and it seems to work09:36
Tonio_Riddell: the nonewdcop option is still there for scripts compatilibity with kde3 (kdesu does the same)09:36
Tonio_Riddell: do you know of any gnome or kde application that can graphically crypt and decrypt folders on the fly ?09:37
RiddellI do not09:38
Riddellkdesudo(343) main: desktop file ""09:38
Riddellkdesudo(343) main: executable "ls"09:38
Riddellsome debugging there that isn't needed09:38
Riddellit seems to touch both /var/run/sudo/jr/unknown and /var/run/sudo/jr/3 timestamps09:39
ScottKRiddell: Now that I can upload (thanks for your support), do you want me to check with you first on doing merges or go ahead if I'm confident?09:39
Tonio_Riddell: that's for testing :)09:39
Tonio_Riddell: It's not meant to be released yet, I have to perform a hudge bunch of tests and then remove the debugging things09:40
Tonio_Riddell: it touches "unknown" ? weird....09:40
Tonio_it shouldn't unless sudo does the same (we have a kprocess using a pty here...)09:41
RiddellScottK: all depends on how confident you are :)09:41
ScottKRiddell: OK.  Thanks.09:41
ScottKI'll ask if I have questions.09:41
RiddellTonio_: otherwise, does the job superbly09:44
Tonio_Riddell: there is still a bug with -u option, as for some reason the Xauthority file created isn't chmoded 64409:44
Tonio_Riddell: I suspect I have to "open" the QFile object so that I can play with it...09:45
Tonio_Riddell: don't you get a Xsession error playing with -u option ?09:45
Tonio_Riddell: that's the only bug I noted atm :)09:45
RiddellTonio_: yes but that's also broken with kdesudo of kde 309:46
Tonio_Riddell: true, but now I know how to fix it :)09:46
Tonio_Riddell: also I simplified the Xauthority code a lot, for 40 lines to 5 :)09:47
Tonio_still works like a charm :)09:47
RiddellTonio_: your c++ skillz are getting elite09:47
Tonio_Riddell: very far from that I'm affraid, toma helped a lot on the QT4 side as I was completly unable to write to the kprocess stdin ;)09:47
Tonio_Riddell: I still have to learn, but I'll probably ask my company some lessons arround coding :)09:48
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Tonio_Riddell: I'll release kdesudo-kde4 and ubuntu packages this WE probably, after a bunch of tests, so we'll have it for hardy10:23
Tonio_Riddell: I noticed I can't logout/shutdown from within my kde session for a few days10:23
Tonio_Riddell: that doesn't happen from kdm so it seems due to kde somehow, is that known issue ?10:24
_StefanS_hey Tonio_10:27
Tonio_yop _StefanS_ :)10:27
_StefanS_Tonio_: polishing kdmtheme right now :)10:28
Tonio__StefanS_: super :)10:28
Tonio__StefanS_: on my side I'm almost done with kdesudo-kde4 :)10:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: thats sweet :) congrats on the port!10:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: that shutdown issue, was that in kde3?10:28
JucatoWarning: Kubuntu hamsters at work. Please proceed with caution.10:29
RiddellTonio_: feature freeze is thursday10:31
Riddelllogout works for me10:31
_StefanS_Riddell: I have the new buttons for kwin-style-crystal as well, donno mhb seemed to like them, but they need a bit of polish.10:32
_StefanS_Riddell: we could upload an updated package, and enable/fix the theme later10:32
_StefanS_Riddell: I got nuno pinheiro to help me :)10:32
smarternew buttons?10:33
smarter_StefanS_: screenshot? ;)10:33
Riddell_StefanS_: go ahead10:36
_StefanS_Riddell: I will :)10:37
_StefanS_smarter: http://enhance-it.dk/pics/kwin-crystal.png10:37
_StefanS_smarter: only the darker buttons, and the coloring is not complete10:37
_StefanS_smarter: bear with me ;)10:37
_StefanS_Tonio_: that FACESOURCE thingy in the kdm.d/20_config, we dont change it, do we?10:38
smarter_StefanS_: They already look pretty cool ;)10:38
_StefanS_smarter: i'm glad you think so :)10:38
Tonio_Riddell: unfortunatelly, we will not have a full apt:/ support in konqueror11:16
Tonio_Riddell: the repository management will not be implemented, but isn't much used over the web and wikis, so I think it is okay11:16
Tonio__StefanS_: we do, change the facesource to use the kde user icon choosen in systemsettings by default11:17
Tonio__StefanS_: it works, so no need to change anything on that point11:17
Tonio__StefanS_: I didn't want to do it the hard way in kdmrc, so I used the 20_config mecanism11:17
mhbI always thought FF starts at midnight11:22
mhbbut in fact we do have time until midnight at 14th, right?11:22
_StefanS_mhb: I believe we do.11:23
mhbthat's great11:23
_StefanS_Tonio_: right now I'm just hardcoding it to FACESOURC="PreferUser"11:24
mornfallSo I have passed bachelor's final state exams. Oi.11:25
mhboi oi, congratulations!11:26
mornfall:) Thanks.11:26
Riddellmornfall: yay!11:31
Riddellmhb: could even be midnight in some US timezone if you wanted11:31
RiddellTonio_: will the rest get in?11:32
Riddellmhb: does this mean you expect to have a jockey qt around then?11:32
mhbRiddell: yes, I passed the last exam yesterday, so I should have it ready by today evening or late night11:32
mhbRiddell: with the extra day I'm sure we can manage merging it and uploading it11:33
Riddellmhb: yay!11:33
Riddell(to both)11:33
mhbapachelogger__: a suggestion11:43
mhbapachelogger__: not even for you, but for someone you know11:43
mhbapachelogger__: at kubuntu-de.org, you have "Eine Englische Übersetzung ist hier zu finden."11:43
mhbapachelogger__: which is neat, except you cannot take for granted that the English reader understands this sentence11:43
emonkeymhb, In der englischen Version steht dafür auf englisch wo man die deutsche Version findet ...11:46
mhbemonkey: yes, but when an Englishman sees the first site, the german one, he cannot find the English translation easily11:49
mhbit's better to write the link to the German translation in German and the link to the English one in English11:49
emonkeymhb, or both in both ... I forward the suggestion11:51
emonkeymhb, if you want, you always find us in #kubuntu-de.org our administrative channel11:52
mhbemonkey: okay,thanks!11:53
Tonio_Riddell: the rest is already in, apt://yakuake will install yakuake12:01
Tonio_Riddell: install and remove any package is supported, only the repository addition isn't12:01
RiddellTonio_: groovy12:01
Tonio_Riddell: and since we're going kde4, this is too much to do for kde3....12:02
Tonio_Riddell: I'll contact debian to get their plans concerning kde4 and kio-apt12:02
Riddellyou think they have any?12:02
Tonio_Riddell: I never saw any link using the repository addition so we might be 90% compatible with the apt:/ protocol in its real usage12:02
Tonio_Riddell: of course not :) but I expect they'll have ;)12:03
Tonio_Riddell: if they don't, I'll probably code one on my own, removing all the html part of it to just deal with urls12:03
_StefanS_Tonio_: do you have time for at kdmtheme test?12:03
Tonio__StefanS_: not today, I'm going in a conf call with canonical :)12:03
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok12:03
Tonio__StefanS_: please send me an email, I can test tonight for sure12:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: it seems to work here, so I guess I will just prepare a patch12:04
Tonio_please do, I'll test and upload if that's correct12:04
Tonio_Riddell: also, browsing apt:/ will allow you to install any package graphically using adept12:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, we should alter the way gdebi works to accept multiple selected debs in one go. For instance I had the nxclient, nxnode, and nxserver and they depend on eachother. Gdebi opened three instances.12:08
Tonio__StefanS_: yep it doesn't have a queue mode, I agree this would be nice12:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: hmm can you remember that bug we had where kdesu(do) wasnt launched correctly from within system-settings/apperance ?12:13
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm experincing it right now..12:13
Tonio__StefanS_: fixed ;)12:13
Tonio__StefanS_: hu ?12:13
Tonio__StefanS_: on hardy stable it is supposed to be fixede12:14
_StefanS_Tonio_: is there a divert thing i need to redo somewhere?12:14
Tonio__StefanS_: using hardy ?12:14
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes12:14
Tonio__StefanS_: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdesudo && sudo apt-get install kdesudo12:14
Tonio__StefanS_: which module is causing the issue ?12:14
_StefanS_Tonio_: kdm12:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: kdmtheme12:15
Tonio__StefanS_: appearance/fonts installer works for me12:15
Tonio__StefanS_: can be an issue in the kcm module more than kdesudo12:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: I guess its kdmtheme itself that is having probs12:15
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll test and investigate this toonight12:15
Tonio__StefanS_: please remove kdesudo and test with kdesu to see if that works better12:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: maybe I just need to rebuild it again or something12:15
Tonio_maybe yes.....12:15
Tonio__StefanS_: I added this to my todo list and will investigate toonight12:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: well it works with kdesu :(12:16
Tonio__StefanS_: oki so it might be a problem with one command line option then12:16
Tonio_or the -u functionnality broken with sudo12:16
Tonio__StefanS_: confirmed..... I'll investigate, but I suspect a problem in the kcontrol module more than kdesudo12:18
Tonio__StefanS_: shouldn't be hard tu fox12:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes, but cant you remember that thing where it checked for uid=0 or something like that12:18
ryanakcado we still need the "flash is broken" message in #kubuntu 's topic?12:18
Tonio__StefanS_: yep12:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: or was that an entirely different bug.. hmm12:18
* _StefanS_ is getting old.12:18
Tonio_ryanakca: it is patially fixed, but still randomly crashes for me on soem websites (yahoo)12:18
ryanakcaTonio_: okies12:19
Tonio__StefanS_: can't say I'll test with the debug version of kdesudo and we'll see :)12:19
Tonio__StefanS_: I'll know more toonight12:19
_StefanS_Tonio_: do you know how to make a screenshot of the kdm greeter? is there a commandline tool for it?12:19
Tonio__StefanS_: virtualbox is your friend :)12:19
Tonio_or command line tools with :0.0 display12:19
_StefanS_Tonio_: got vmware.. just wondered if there were an easier way12:19
Tonio_screendump probably12:20
smarter_StefanS_: aptitude instal scrot12:20
_StefanS_smarter: thanks :)12:20
Tonio_smarter: what's that ?12:20
Tonio_smarter: like screendump ?12:20
smarterI don't know screendump12:20
smarterbut I guess it's the same ;)12:20
smarteryou can take screenshots with imagemagick too I think12:21
smarterimport -window root screen.png12:21
_StefanS_doesnt seem like either of them accepts 0.0 or similar12:28
_StefanS_ah found a way12:29
gribelulibokularcore1-kde4: Depends: libgs8 (= 8.61.dfsg.1-1) but 8.61.dfsg.1-1ubuntu1 is installed13:05
gribeludigikam: Depends: libexiv2-0 but it is not installable13:06
nixternalI noticed it yesterday on amd64, and see it this morning on i38613:06
gribeluyeah 386 hardy here13:07
* Jucato waves to nixternal13:10
smarterRiddell: could you please reject my qdevelop package from NEW so that I can re-upload with debhelper compat 5 to make it possible to backport the package?13:14
* Riddell looks13:15
Riddellsmarter: done13:15
smarterRiddell: thanks13:15
* nixternal waves back to Jucato 13:17
smarterRiddell: have you seen bug #179261 and stdin's fix?13:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17926113:30
smarterthe bug is more important than it looks like13:30
Riddelldon't believe I have13:30
smarterlatest libqt4 doesn't provide any sql driver13:30
smarterApparently there's some bashisms in Qt configure code13:32
nosrednaekimnice interview apachelogger__13:40
Riddellnosrednaekim: where's that?13:41
Riddellsmarter: uploaded, thanks stdin13:41
smarterRiddell: great13:41
nosrednaekimRiddell➜ http://www.kubuntu-de.org/english/interview-harald-sitter-about-amarok-and-kde-413:42
Riddell"FREE SOFTWARE RULEZ!" that must be an Austrian-ism13:42
doc__hi there13:43
nosrednaekimhey doc__13:44
Riddellsebas: is there a changes document for 3.5.9 yet?13:52
Riddelloh yes http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_8to3_5_9.php13:52
gribeluhmm not much there13:58
Tm_TRiddell: small maybe for openweek, I'm getting therapy times for some of these days, I try to avoid overlapping but possibility still14:04
RiddellTm_T: "some of these days" you're only down for one hour14:07
Tm_TRiddell: yup, but therapy can be heavy, so no idea if I'm "up"14:08
RiddellTm_T: let me know when you know what's happening then14:09
Tm_TRiddell: I will :)14:10
Tm_Tprolly nothing to be worried but wanted to notify just in case14:11
mornfallUm. Anyone understands how the SUBST thing in Debconf works?14:22
mornfallAll the code I can read suggests it just replaces whole field. But man 7 debconf-devel has something about ${key} in it.14:22
mornfallWhat that means is completely beyond me...14:22
mornfallI'll implement it as synonym to DATA for now, if it breaks in alpha 3, I'll ponder more about it.14:25
Riddellmornfall: no idea I'm afraid14:30
mornfallRiddell: Could you man 7 debconf-devel and look for SUBST? Maybe the documentation makes some sense to you...14:31
mornfall(line 343)14:32
mornfallThe only other interpretation I can think of is that if key==Choices, replace choices with value, otherwise replace ${key} in description with value.14:33
mornfallBut I could not find any code in debconf that would support that theory.14:33
Riddellit reads a bit like you can change parts of the question14:34
mornfallI understand now. Tee-hee.14:37
Riddellmornfall: more than I do :)14:38
mornfallI have been reading code in the meantime.14:38
mornfallAnd figured that subst only sets up a key=value pair and the expansion is done independently.14:39
mornfallAnyway, let's fix this.14:39
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mornfallOk, implemented.15:04
mornfallSo we are missing multiselect debconf widget and then it should be all complete.15:05
Riddellmornfall: all very exciting15:08
* mornfall smacks Qt for giving different text() than we set with setText() (ie. it adds &'s)... Anyhow, we have working multiselect.15:40
smartermultiselect for what?15:43
mornfallsmarter: debconf widgets in Adept15:46
smartersweet :)15:46
mornfallI suppose there are enough changes to make an alpha3 and then work on commit robustness and locking issues.15:47
Tonio_mornfall: do you plan to make it possible to set a proxy or use konqueror proxy for apt on the fly ? ;)15:48
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Riddellmornfall: if you're packaging alpha 3 at some point, the kde.mk probably needs updated, menu .desktop files are moved to /usr/share/applications/kde4/15:50
nixternalooh, I see the initial kubuntu-kde4-desktop seed!! rock on Riddell!15:55
mhbdoes it mean hardy kde4 cd is nigh?15:57
Riddellmhb: maybe maye15:57
Riddellmhb: maybe maybe15:58
mhboh goodie15:58
Riddellmostly waiting on this being published https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta15:59
nixternalI cannot wait! I will wait for that to redo my desktop :)15:59
Riddelldo take a look at the kubuntu-kde4.hardy seed to see if it's get everything we need15:59
* nixternal looks16:00
mornfall  pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: kdelibs5-dev which is a virtual package.16:00
nixternalRiddell: will you be able to update that seed prior to release? ie. jjesse and I will be adding some Kubuntu KDE 4 documentation16:01
mornfallRiddell: What's the right Build-Depends: for hardy for kdelibs5?16:01
nixternalnot much right now, but at least to have some About Kubuntu and some release notes16:01
Riddellmornfall: mm, should be kdelibs5-dev16:01
nixternalmornfall: kdelibs5-dev16:01
nixternal(>= 4:4.0.1)16:01
mornfallAnyone here using pbuilder?16:01
Riddellsame in debian too16:01
nixternalmornfall: I am16:02
mornfallIn debian it works. In hardy, apparently not : - (.16:02
Riddellmornfall: it's in universe in hardy, is that enabled in sources.list?16:02
mornfallOkey, that could be the problem.16:02
* Riddell goes out for a wee bit16:04
mornfallI'm out as well while pbuilder is fetching build-depends and such. Laters.16:08
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mornfallSo, alpha 3 built in pbuilder, waiting for PPA to crunch it.16:40
mornfallTm_T: If you are still interested, you may want to give it a go. https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive16:41
Tm_TI am, though apparently lost a quite bit of time16:43
mornfallWhat do you mean?16:48
Tm_Thealth issues16:48
Tm_Tand live with it :-O16:48
mornfall: - (16:49
mornfallWhat's happened? (Unless you prefer to not talk about it.)16:49
Tm_Tnothing serious, just small backsteps when zooming forward, my mind and body has been in pieces now some years but getting better fast16:50
smartermmh, fsck progress in usplash... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-February/006889.html16:53
jpatricksmarter: yeah, pitti commented on it in #u-devel yesterday :)16:56
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coreymon77meeting next week?18:03
nosrednaekimseems that way18:04
ScottKsmarter: Did you get mail saying why qdevelop got rejected?18:07
smarterScottK: I asked R!ddell to reject it18:07
smarterso that I could upload a compat 5 version18:07
smarterto make it easier to backport it18:07
ScottKsmarter: OK.  It would have been fine to let it get accepted and then upload an ubuntu2 revision that had that change.18:08
ScottKsmarter: In the future, it'd be nice to mention that to the person who uploaded the package as they get reject mail too and I was left wondering what mistake I'd made in my review.18:09
smarterScottK: ok, sorry, I didn't know that the uploader get a mail18:09
ScottKOK.  Now you know .18:10
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seeleRiddell: do you remember who took knetworkmanager notes at the release party bof; and was it till who said he would mock up some of our ideas?19:58
Riddellseele: bille?20:07
seeleRiddell: i dunno, is that till adams' irc nick?20:16
Tm_Tyes it is20:17
Tm_Tno, wait20:17
seeleer no20:17
seelei'm thinking of will20:17
seelenot till20:17
Tm_TWill Stephenson is bille20:17
seeletill is german, will is english, and i think they look the same20:17
seelei get them mixed up all the time20:17
Tm_Ttilladam and bille, when I learn to remember these20:17
seeleit doesnt help that till has a perfect english accent either20:18
DaSkreech4.0.2 is end of feb or start of March?20:31
jpatrickDaSkreech: aren't they more/less the same? :)20:36
DaSkreechThey are like a week apart :)20:36
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Riddellseele: no will stephenson20:40
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jjessewill firefox in hardy be 3.0? or still 2?21:43
smarterjjesse: we have firefox 3b3 in the repos21:43
jjessei kno 3b3 is in the repos21:44
jjesse!info firefox hardy21:44
ubotufirefox (source: firefox): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version (hardy), package size 8964 kB, installed size 26032 kB21:44
hadsheh lightweight21:44
mhb!info firefox-3.0 hardy21:44
ubotufirefox-3.0 (source: firefox-3.0): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3~cvs20080101t1000+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1077 kB, installed size 3704 kB21:44
jjessemhb: whatt is default?21:45
mhbjjesse: I think 2 but 3 is suggested , at least so it was when I upgraded21:45
mhbbut seeing firefox3 in main I'd guess they dump the 221:45
jjesseso in the book chpt i can say fireffox is version??????????21:45
mhbI am not a reliable source of that info21:46
mhb#ubuntu-devel is where you should seek your answers for GNOME stuff21:46
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Tm_TI keep wondering...21:51
jjessehrrmm what?21:51
Tm_Tjcastro: wake up21:51
jjesseaccording to #ubuuntu-devel it will be 3.021:51
Tm_Tjjesse: jcastro asked nick of mine, but, mmmmh, nothing since I've been here21:52
jjessei'm so tired21:52
Tm_TI am too21:53
jjesseits wierd how being 3 hours behind your normal schedule changes things21:54
jcastroTm_T: sorry, hi.21:54
Tm_TYes - Changes <321:54
Tm_Tjcastro: hey no problems, I was just worried if I have done something really bad21:54
jjesseisn't that usually the case :P21:54
Tm_Twell it is21:54
Tm_Tthat's why I'm worried about it21:54
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mhbRiddell: ping?21:56
mhbI need a skilled Python/Qt coder to help me21:57
Tm_Tnot me (yet)21:57
mhbI need to launch QApplication() only once in the whole app21:57
jjessenot it21:57
mhbbut when I do it in a different .py file than the jockey-kde code is, it still complains to me21:59
mhbso I do21:59
mhb        qapp = QApplication(sys.argv)21:59
mhb        self.ui = KDEUI()21:59
mhband I get21:59
mhbQWidget: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice21:59
mhband I really need advice :o)22:01
Riddellmhb: hmm, dunno, I'd probably need to look at the full code22:02
mhbokies, let me commit22:02
mhbr154 is the latest22:04
mhb./tests/run-qt is the culprit22:05
mhbyou can test it by running PYTHONPATH=. ./tests/run-qt22:05
RiddellImportError: No module named jockey.ui22:06
Riddellok, got it22:06
Riddelllaunching UI22:06
RiddellQWidget: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice22:06
Riddellmhb: there's no QApplication in tests/run-qt22:08
mhbthere is22:08
mhb:37 ?22:08
Riddell        KDEUI = getattr(imp.load_source('mod_gtk_impl', os.path.join(root_dir,22:09
Riddell                        'kde', 'jockey-kde')), 'KDEUI')22:09
RiddellI don't understand what that does22:09
mhbme either22:10
mhbthe test suite is a quick copy from the gtk one22:10
mhband it worked22:10
mhbfor one test case22:10
mhbbut with two, KDEUI() has to be called several times, so I needed to get rid of the QApplication in the kde/jockey-kde22:10
mhb(because calling QApplication twice results in a segfault too)22:11
mhbso I need to call QApplication() from within the tests/run-qt file22:15
mhbbut then I get this error.22:15
Riddellmhb: self.qapp = QApplication(sys.argv)22:23
Riddellif it's not self. it's not a class variable and it gets deleted at the end of the method22:24
mhbRiddell: the real fix is to move the qapp to :7122:25
mhbRiddell: I was just testing it inside the class because I thought it didn't work before. Well, I was mistaken.22:26
jjesseRiddell: in my hardy install (kde4) i did not have the kde4-khelpcenter installed so i couldn't opne up help22:30
jjesseshould i file a bug?22:30
smarterjjesse: the brand new kubuntu-kde4-desktop package depends on kde4-khelpcenter22:31
jjessesmarter: ah cool22:31
Riddellthere's be plenty of issues like that when CDs get made, most of them will be obvious22:31
smarterand some other useful things, like kwalletmanager-kde422:31
jjessejust was trying to finish the book chapter last night and noticed i couldn't access help22:32
smartermmh, apparently khelpcenter is empty22:32
jjesseyes yes it is22:33
Riddelldetails details22:33
jjessei have no idea what/if any kde docs were rev'ed released for kde422:33
RiddellI don't think any have been deleted22:34
Riddellit'll be a bug in the packaging22:34
mhbhmm, how do we load files from a Qt app?22:34
mhbI want to load the tray icon image, but that depends on the actual path, doesn't it?22:34
RiddellI just set the path22:35
mhbwith /usr and all?22:35
jjessedang it duplicate post to my blog and to planet.ubuntu.com22:35
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Riddellmhb: yes22:36
Riddellthere's probably more elegant ways to do it22:37
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mhbRiddell: does it make sense to have UIs only in their .ui form?23:07
mhbRiddell: feels a bit slower when we do23:07
mhbOTOH, Gnomeys do it, too23:08
Riddellmhb: I think it's much neater23:19
Riddellmhb: oh and you can do translations through gettext on the fly.  see system-config-printer-kde for how23:20
* Riddell sleeps23:20
mhbnighty night23:20
mhbsee you in the morning23:20
neversfeldeahh jockey-kde. I think I will love it ;)23:29
neversfeldeI ever wondered, if there is an explanation whi it is *-gtk and *-kde and not *-qt?23:31
nareshovneversfelde: there are -qt stuff too23:31
nareshovneversfelde: the -qt stuff don't use kdelibs23:32
mhbneversfelde: it's called jockey-kde but currently it is jockey-qt only23:32
neversfeldeI see23:32
mhbbut why confuse people?23:32
nareshovIs this /that/ confusing?23:33
mhbonce we have all migrated to KDE4 it might (and will) get some KDE loving23:33
* nareshov hopes23:33
RiddellI prefer -kde because that's what people know about, -qt or -gtk is an implementation issue23:33
mhbso it's better to name it jockey-kde now23:33
neversfeldeI never noticed that difference23:34
nareshovI was wondering why there aren't lisp bindings for Qt :D23:34
mhbnareshov: me too, just yesterday23:35
mhbnareshov: those would be cool23:39
mhbnareshov: I'm sure one day, all of Kubuntu will be in lisp23:39
* nosredna_ekim tries to wake up from his nightmare23:40
mhbnosredna_ekim: you don't like lisp?23:40
nosredna_ekimtoo many parentheses23:42
nareshovnosredna_ekim: that's the beauty of it :)23:43
nareshovFor whatever reason, a lot of folks are put off by this syntax. Lisp's detractors tend to describe the syntax as "weird" and "annoying." Lisp, they say, must stand for Lots of Irritating Superfluous Parentheses. Lisp folks, on the other hand, tend to consider Lisp's syntax one of its great virtues.23:43
* nareshov quotes from http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/syntax-and-semantics.html23:43
* nosredna_ekim thinks their greatest usefulness is to drive away neophyte programmers23:44
nareshov!g define:neophyte23:45
mhbhmm, this UI stuff is getting boring23:46
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mhbfor some reason, the evil notification displays in the middle of the screen instead of the right place23:46
nosredna_ekimrestricted-manager rewrite?23:48
nareshovAnd is there a way to make all these sudo using KDE stuff to use the user's KDE syle/colours/etc.23:48
mhbit's almost complete, but it has those nasty glitches you end up catching the whole night23:49
mhblike this one23:49
nosredna_ekimis someone working on a command line version?23:50
nosredna_ekimI suppose its too late for getting one in hardy.23:50
mhbunless you are the kind of hacker that doesn't sleep23:51
nosredna_ekimnah... and I have a life too, oh well, maybe I'll write it for hardy+1...23:52
neversfeldeif Hardy+1 would be a german release, I would call it "Irrer Igel" (mad hedge-dog). It should not be very stable then :)23:58
nosredna_ekimIpatient Ibus23:59

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