[00:08] <nosrednaekim> mhb➜ m... h....b works :)
[00:09] <mhb> em age bee ?
[00:10] <nosrednaekim> ya :)
[00:10] <mhb> you can't say it fast
[00:10] <nosrednaekim> you can't say mine fast either ;)
[00:12] <claydoh> mine is easy
[00:24] <nixternal> http://technology.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/8160/
[00:24] <nixternal> :p
[00:27] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol :P
[00:27] <mhb> nosrednaekim: ping
[00:27] <nosrednaekim> hey mhb
[00:28] <mhb> nosrednaekim: how do you implement QApplication() in your apps?
[00:28] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I mean the main ctor
[00:28] <mhb> QApplication(sys.argv) for example (python)
[00:29] <mhb> do you stick it with the UI and make sure you'll init the UI only once?
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> to tell you the truth, I usually just copy a skeleton program I have(which I did not write),but let me check to see how I do it.
[00:34] <nosrednaekim> oh... I am looking at one that uses Kapplication, dopes that behave the same way?
[00:35] <mhb> I guess so
[00:37] <nosrednaekim> I don't put the sys.argv in mine....
[00:37] <nosrednaekim> I suppose I should :)
[00:37]  * mhb yawns
[00:37] <mhb> I can't stay awake anymore...
[00:37] <mhb> too bad.
[00:37] <mhb> goodnight folks
[00:44] <nosrednaekim> night
[02:41] <nixternal> anyone else with amd64 having issues with libgs8 when trying to install okular-kde4?
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> for the package? no... it installed fine for me
[02:50] <nixternal> it isn't installing for me
[02:50] <nixternal> I need to reinstall my desktop anyways
[04:42] <jjesse> evening
[05:25] <jjesse> !openoffice hardy
[05:25] <jjesse> !OOO hardy
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ooo hardy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <jjesse> ~openoffice.org
[05:25] <jjesse> !openoffice.org
[05:25] <ubotu> a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[05:25] <jjesse> !openoffice.org hardy
[05:25] <jjesse> !hardy openoffice.org
[05:25] <jjesse> argh what version of open office.org is in hardy?
[05:26] <stdin> !info openoffice.org hardy
[05:26] <jjesse> !info openoffice.org hardy
[05:26] <ubotu> openoffice.org (source: openoffice.org): OpenOffice.org Office suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.1-3ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 4 kB, installed size 44 kB
[05:26] <jjesse> so version 2.3
[05:27] <jjesse> !info firefox hardy
[05:27] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.12+2nobinonly+2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 8964 kB, installed size 26032 kB
[05:36] <jjesse> ok heres a wierd question, how do i access help in 8.04?
[05:37] <jjesse> in a kde4 session?
[05:39] <stdin> do you have khelpcenter-kde4 installed?
[05:45] <jjesse> i thought so, shouldn't that be a part of 8.04?
[05:47] <stdin> I don't think it's installed with -core
[05:47] <jjesse> apparently i didn't
[05:47] <jjesse> thanks stdin
[05:47] <jjesse> probablly should be so the 8.04 kde4 users can access help :)
[05:50] <jjesse> hrmmm now all i need is kubuntu docs :)
[09:25] <_StefanS_> kwwii: nuno had to go to spain today, so he couldnt finish the last 3 buttons :( , anyway here's a screenshot: http://enhance-it.dk/pics/kwin-crystal.png (not that its only the dark ones that are new)
[09:33] <Tonio_> hey there
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: fancy testing kdesudo-kde4 ?
[09:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: bien sur
[09:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://toniox.org/temp
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: a few very little issues atm, like kapplication doesn't quit on cancel, but that should have very few consequences
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested with the "run dolphin as root", and it seems to work
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: the nonewdcop option is still there for scripts compatilibity with kde3 (kdesu does the same)
[09:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know of any gnome or kde application that can graphically crypt and decrypt folders on the fly ?
[09:38] <Riddell> I do not
[09:38] <Riddell> kdesudo(343) main: desktop file ""
[09:38] <Riddell> kdesudo(343) main: executable "ls"
[09:38] <Riddell> some debugging there that isn't needed
[09:39] <Riddell> it seems to touch both /var/run/sudo/jr/unknown and /var/run/sudo/jr/3 timestamps
[09:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Now that I can upload (thanks for your support), do you want me to check with you first on doing merges or go ahead if I'm confident?
[09:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's for testing :)
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: It's not meant to be released yet, I have to perform a hudge bunch of tests and then remove the debugging things
[09:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: it touches "unknown" ? weird....
[09:41] <Tonio_> it shouldn't unless sudo does the same (we have a kprocess using a pty here...)
[09:41] <Riddell> ScottK: all depends on how confident you are :)
[09:41] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[09:41] <ScottK> I'll ask if I have questions.
[09:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: otherwise, does the job superbly
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is still a bug with -u option, as for some reason the Xauthority file created isn't chmoded 644
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect I have to "open" the QFile object so that I can play with it...
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't you get a Xsession error playing with -u option ?
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the only bug I noted atm :)
[09:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes but that's also broken with kdesudo of kde 3
[09:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: true, but now I know how to fix it :)
[09:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I simplified the Xauthority code a lot, for 40 lines to 5 :)
[09:47] <Tonio_> still works like a charm :)
[09:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: your c++ skillz are getting elite
[09:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: very far from that I'm affraid, toma helped a lot on the QT4 side as I was completly unable to write to the kprocess stdin ;)
[09:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I still have to learn, but I'll probably ask my company some lessons arround coding :)
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll release kdesudo-kde4 and ubuntu packages this WE probably, after a bunch of tests, so we'll have it for hardy
[10:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed I can't logout/shutdown from within my kde session for a few days
[10:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: that doesn't happen from kdm so it seems due to kde somehow, is that known issue ?
[10:27] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[10:27] <Tonio_> yop _StefanS_ :)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: polishing kdmtheme right now :)
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on my side I'm almost done with kdesudo-kde4 :)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats sweet :) congrats on the port!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: that shutdown issue, was that in kde3?
[10:29] <Jucato> Warning: Kubuntu hamsters at work. Please proceed with caution.
[10:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: feature freeze is thursday
[10:31] <Riddell> logout works for me
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I have the new buttons for kwin-style-crystal as well, donno mhb seemed to like them, but they need a bit of polish.
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: we could upload an updated package, and enable/fix the theme later
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I got nuno pinheiro to help me :)
[10:33] <smarter> new buttons?
[10:33] <smarter> _StefanS_: screenshot? ;)
[10:36] <Riddell> _StefanS_: go ahead
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will :)
[10:37] <_StefanS_> smarter: http://enhance-it.dk/pics/kwin-crystal.png
[10:37] <_StefanS_> smarter: only the darker buttons, and the coloring is not complete
[10:37] <_StefanS_> smarter: bear with me ;)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: that FACESOURCE thingy in the kdm.d/20_config, we dont change it, do we?
[10:38] <smarter> _StefanS_: They already look pretty cool ;)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> smarter: i'm glad you think so :)
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: unfortunatelly, we will not have a full apt:/ support in konqueror
[11:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: the repository management will not be implemented, but isn't much used over the web and wikis, so I think it is okay
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we do, change the facesource to use the kde user icon choosen in systemsettings by default
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it works, so no need to change anything on that point
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't want to do it the hard way in kdmrc, so I used the 20_config mecanism
[11:21] <mhb> Riddell:
[11:22] <mhb> I always thought FF starts at midnight
[11:22] <mhb> but in fact we do have time until midnight at 14th, right?
[11:23] <_StefanS_> mhb: I believe we do.
[11:23] <mhb> that's great
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: right now I'm just hardcoding it to FACESOURC="PreferUser"
[11:25] <mornfall> So I have passed bachelor's final state exams. Oi.
[11:26] <mhb> oi oi, congratulations!
[11:26] <mornfall> :) Thanks.
[11:26] <emonkey> congrats
[11:31] <Riddell> mornfall: yay!
[11:31] <Riddell> mhb: could even be midnight in some US timezone if you wanted
[11:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: will the rest get in?
[11:32] <Riddell> mhb: does this mean you expect to have a jockey qt around then?
[11:32] <mhb> Riddell: yes, I passed the last exam yesterday, so I should have it ready by today evening or late night
[11:33] <mhb> Riddell: with the extra day I'm sure we can manage merging it and uploading it
[11:33] <Riddell> mhb: yay!
[11:33] <Riddell> (to both)
[11:43] <mhb> apachelogger__: a suggestion
[11:43] <mhb> apachelogger__: not even for you, but for someone you know
[11:43] <mhb> apachelogger__: at kubuntu-de.org, you have "Eine Englische Übersetzung ist hier zu finden."
[11:43] <mhb> apachelogger__: which is neat, except you cannot take for granted that the English reader understands this sentence
[11:46] <emonkey> mhb, In der englischen Version steht dafür auf englisch wo man die deutsche Version findet ...
[11:49] <mhb> emonkey: yes, but when an Englishman sees the first site, the german one, he cannot find the English translation easily
[11:49] <mhb> it's better to write the link to the German translation in German and the link to the English one in English
[11:51] <emonkey> mhb, or both in both ... I forward the suggestion
[11:52] <emonkey> mhb, if you want, you always find us in #kubuntu-de.org our administrative channel
[11:53] <mhb> emonkey: okay,thanks!
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: the rest is already in, apt://yakuake will install yakuake
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: install and remove any package is supported, only the repository addition isn't
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: groovy
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: and since we're going kde4, this is too much to do for kde3....
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll contact debian to get their plans concerning kde4 and kio-apt
[12:02] <Riddell> you think they have any?
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I never saw any link using the repository addition so we might be 90% compatible with the apt:/ protocol in its real usage
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course not :) but I expect they'll have ;)
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: if they don't, I'll probably code one on my own, removing all the html part of it to just deal with urls
[12:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you have time for at kdmtheme test?
[12:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not today, I'm going in a conf call with canonical :)
[12:03] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok
[12:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: please send me an email, I can test tonight for sure
[12:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it seems to work here, so I guess I will just prepare a patch
[12:04] <Tonio_> please do, I'll test and upload if that's correct
[12:04] <_StefanS_> cool
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, browsing apt:/ will allow you to install any package graphically using adept
[12:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, we should alter the way gdebi works to accept multiple selected debs in one go. For instance I had the nxclient, nxnode, and nxserver and they depend on eachother. Gdebi opened three instances.
[12:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep it doesn't have a queue mode, I agree this would be nice
[12:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm can you remember that bug we had where kdesu(do) wasnt launched correctly from within system-settings/apperance ?
[12:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm experincing it right now..
[12:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fixed ;)
[12:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hu ?
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on hardy stable it is supposed to be fixede
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is there a divert thing i need to redo somewhere?
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: using hardy ?
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdesudo && sudo apt-get install kdesudo
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which module is causing the issue ?
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdm
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: kdmtheme
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: appearance/fonts installer works for me
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can be an issue in the kcm module more than kdesudo
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I guess its kdmtheme itself that is having probs
[12:15] <_StefanS_> ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll test and investigate this toonight
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: please remove kdesudo and test with kdesu to see if that works better
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe I just need to rebuild it again or something
[12:15] <Tonio_> maybe yes.....
[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I added this to my todo list and will investigate toonight
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well it works with kdesu :(
[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki so it might be a problem with one command line option then
[12:16] <_StefanS_> oka
[12:16] <Tonio_> or the -u functionnality broken with sudo
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: confirmed..... I'll investigate, but I suspect a problem in the kcontrol module more than kdesudo
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: shouldn't be hard tu fox
[12:18] <Tonio_> fix
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, but cant you remember that thing where it checked for uid=0 or something like that
[12:18] <ryanakca> do we still need the "flash is broken" message in #kubuntu 's topic?
[12:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: or was that an entirely different bug.. hmm
[12:18]  * _StefanS_ is getting old.
[12:18] <Tonio_> ryanakca: it is patially fixed, but still randomly crashes for me on soem websites (yahoo)
[12:19] <ryanakca> Tonio_: okies
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can't say I'll test with the debug version of kdesudo and we'll see :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll know more toonight
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you know how to make a screenshot of the kdm greeter? is there a commandline tool for it?
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: virtualbox is your friend :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> or command line tools with :0.0 display
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got vmware.. just wondered if there were an easier way
[12:20] <Tonio_> screendump probably
[12:20] <smarter> _StefanS_: aptitude instal scrot
[12:20] <smarter> *install
[12:20] <_StefanS_> smarter: thanks :)
[12:20] <Tonio_> smarter: what's that ?
[12:20] <Tonio_> smarter: like screendump ?
[12:20] <smarter> I don't know screendump
[12:20] <smarter> but I guess it's the same ;)
[12:21] <smarter> you can take screenshots with imagemagick too I think
[12:21] <smarter> import -window root screen.png
[12:28] <_StefanS_> doesnt seem like either of them accepts 0.0 or similar
[12:29] <_StefanS_> ah found a way
[13:03] <nixternal> mornin'
[13:05] <gribelu> libokularcore1-kde4: Depends: libgs8 (= 8.61.dfsg.1-1) but 8.61.dfsg.1-1ubuntu1 is installed
[13:06] <gribelu> digikam: Depends: libexiv2-0 but it is not installable
[13:06] <gribelu> :/
[13:06] <nixternal> yup
[13:06] <nixternal> I noticed it yesterday on amd64, and see it this morning on i386
[13:07] <gribelu> yeah 386 hardy here
[13:10]  * Jucato waves to nixternal
[13:14] <smarter> Riddell: could you please reject my qdevelop package from NEW so that I can re-upload with debhelper compat 5 to make it possible to backport the package?
[13:15]  * Riddell looks
[13:15] <Riddell> smarter: done
[13:15] <smarter> Riddell: thanks
[13:17]  * nixternal waves back to Jucato 
[13:30] <smarter> Riddell: have you seen bug #179261 and stdin's fix?
[13:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179261
[13:30] <smarter> the bug is more important than it looks like
[13:30] <Riddell> don't believe I have
[13:30] <smarter> latest libqt4 doesn't provide any sql driver
[13:32] <smarter> Apparently there's some bashisms in Qt configure code
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> nice interview apachelogger__
[13:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: where's that?
[13:41] <Riddell> smarter: uploaded, thanks stdin
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> kubuntu-de
[13:41] <smarter> Riddell: great
[13:42] <nosrednaekim> Riddell➜ http://www.kubuntu-de.org/english/interview-harald-sitter-about-amarok-and-kde-4
[13:42] <Riddell> "FREE SOFTWARE RULEZ!" that must be an Austrian-ism
[13:43] <doc__> hi there
[13:44] <nosrednaekim> hey doc__
[13:52] <Riddell> sebas: is there a changes document for 3.5.9 yet?
[13:52] <Riddell> oh yes http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_8to3_5_9.php
[13:58] <gribelu> hmm not much there
[14:00] <Tm_T> IS!
[14:04] <Tm_T> Riddell: small maybe for openweek, I'm getting therapy times for some of these days, I try to avoid overlapping but possibility still
[14:07] <Riddell> Tm_T: "some of these days" you're only down for one hour
[14:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: yup, but therapy can be heavy, so no idea if I'm "up"
[14:09] <Riddell> Tm_T: let me know when you know what's happening then
[14:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: I will :)
[14:11] <Tm_T> prolly nothing to be worried but wanted to notify just in case
[14:22] <mornfall> Um. Anyone understands how the SUBST thing in Debconf works?
[14:22] <mornfall> All the code I can read suggests it just replaces whole field. But man 7 debconf-devel has something about ${key} in it.
[14:22] <mornfall> What that means is completely beyond me...
[14:25] <mornfall> I'll implement it as synonym to DATA for now, if it breaks in alpha 3, I'll ponder more about it.
[14:30] <Riddell> mornfall: no idea I'm afraid
[14:31] <mornfall> Riddell: Could you man 7 debconf-devel and look for SUBST? Maybe the documentation makes some sense to you...
[14:32] <mornfall> (line 343)
[14:33] <mornfall> The only other interpretation I can think of is that if key==Choices, replace choices with value, otherwise replace ${key} in description with value.
[14:33] <mornfall> But I could not find any code in debconf that would support that theory.
[14:34] <Riddell> it reads a bit like you can change parts of the question
[14:36] <mornfall> Ooooh.
[14:37] <mornfall> I understand now. Tee-hee.
[14:38] <Riddell> mornfall: more than I do :)
[14:38] <mornfall> I have been reading code in the meantime.
[14:39] <mornfall> And figured that subst only sets up a key=value pair and the expansion is done independently.
[14:39] <mornfall> (Later.)
[14:39] <mornfall> Anyway, let's fix this.
[15:04] <mornfall> Ok, implemented.
[15:05] <mornfall> So we are missing multiselect debconf widget and then it should be all complete.
[15:08] <Riddell> mornfall: all very exciting
[15:40]  * mornfall smacks Qt for giving different text() than we set with setText() (ie. it adds &'s)... Anyhow, we have working multiselect.
[15:42] <Riddell> whee
[15:43] <smarter> multiselect for what?
[15:46] <mornfall> smarter: debconf widgets in Adept
[15:46] <smarter> sweet :)
[15:46] <mornfall> So.
[15:47] <mornfall> I suppose there are enough changes to make an alpha3 and then work on commit robustness and locking issues.
[15:48] <Tonio_> mornfall: do you plan to make it possible to set a proxy or use konqueror proxy for apt on the fly ? ;)
[15:50] <Riddell> mornfall: if you're packaging alpha 3 at some point, the kde.mk probably needs updated, menu .desktop files are moved to /usr/share/applications/kde4/
[15:51] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde.mk
[15:55] <nixternal> ooh, I see the initial kubuntu-kde4-desktop seed!! rock on Riddell!
[15:57] <mhb> does it mean hardy kde4 cd is nigh?
[15:57] <Riddell> mhb: maybe maye
[15:58] <Riddell> mhb: maybe maybe
[15:58] <mhb> oh goodie
[15:59] <Riddell> mostly waiting on this being published https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta
[15:59] <nixternal> I cannot wait! I will wait for that to redo my desktop :)
[15:59] <Riddell> do take a look at the kubuntu-kde4.hardy seed to see if it's get everything we need
[16:00]  * nixternal looks
[16:00] <mornfall>   pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: kdelibs5-dev which is a virtual package.
[16:01] <nixternal> Riddell: will you be able to update that seed prior to release? ie. jjesse and I will be adding some Kubuntu KDE 4 documentation
[16:01] <mornfall> Riddell: What's the right Build-Depends: for hardy for kdelibs5?
[16:01] <nixternal> not much right now, but at least to have some About Kubuntu and some release notes
[16:01] <Riddell> mornfall: mm, should be kdelibs5-dev
[16:01] <nixternal> mornfall: kdelibs5-dev
[16:01] <nixternal> (>= 4:4.0.1)
[16:01] <mornfall> Anyone here using pbuilder?
[16:01] <Riddell> same in debian too
[16:02] <nixternal> mornfall: I am
[16:02] <mornfall> In debian it works. In hardy, apparently not : - (.
[16:02] <Riddell> mornfall: it's in universe in hardy, is that enabled in sources.list?
[16:02] <mornfall> Okey, that could be the problem.
[16:04]  * Riddell goes out for a wee bit
[16:08] <mornfall> I'm out as well while pbuilder is fetching build-depends and such. Laters.
[16:40] <mornfall> So, alpha 3 built in pbuilder, waiting for PPA to crunch it.
[16:41] <mornfall> Tm_T: If you are still interested, you may want to give it a go. https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive
[16:43] <Tm_T> I am, though apparently lost a quite bit of time
[16:48] <mornfall> What do you mean?
[16:48] <Tm_T> health issues
[16:48] <Tm_T> and live with it :-O
[16:49] <mornfall> : - (
[16:49] <mornfall> What's happened? (Unless you prefer to not talk about it.)
[16:50] <Tm_T> nothing serious, just small backsteps when zooming forward, my mind and body has been in pieces now some years but getting better fast
[16:53] <smarter> mmh, fsck progress in usplash... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/hardy-changes/2008-February/006889.html
[16:56] <jpatrick> smarter: yeah, pitti commented on it in #u-devel yesterday :)
[18:03] <coreymon77> meeting next week?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> seems that way
[18:07] <ScottK> smarter: Did you get mail saying why qdevelop got rejected?
[18:07] <smarter> ScottK: I asked R!ddell to reject it
[18:07] <ScottK> Why?
[18:07] <smarter> so that I could upload a compat 5 version
[18:07] <smarter> to make it easier to backport it
[18:08] <ScottK> smarter: OK.  It would have been fine to let it get accepted and then upload an ubuntu2 revision that had that change.
[18:09] <ScottK> smarter: In the future, it'd be nice to mention that to the person who uploaded the package as they get reject mail too and I was left wondering what mistake I'd made in my review.
[18:09] <smarter> ScottK: ok, sorry, I didn't know that the uploader get a mail
[18:10] <ScottK> OK.  Now you know .
[19:58] <seele> Riddell: do you remember who took knetworkmanager notes at the release party bof; and was it till who said he would mock up some of our ideas?
[20:07] <Riddell> seele: bille?
[20:16] <seele> Riddell: i dunno, is that till adams' irc nick?
[20:17] <Tm_T> yes it is
[20:17] <Tm_T> no, wait
[20:17] <seele> er no
[20:17] <seele> i'm thinking of will
[20:17] <seele> not till
[20:17] <Tm_T> haha
[20:17] <Tm_T> Will Stephenson is bille
[20:17] <Tm_T> meh
[20:17] <seele> till is german, will is english, and i think they look the same
[20:17] <seele> i get them mixed up all the time
[20:17] <Tm_T> tilladam and bille, when I learn to remember these
[20:18] <seele> it doesnt help that till has a perfect english accent either
[20:31] <DaSkreech> 4.0.2 is end of feb or start of March?
[20:36] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: aren't they more/less the same? :)
[20:36] <DaSkreech> They are like a week apart :)
[20:40] <Riddell> seele: no will stephenson
[20:40] <seele> yeah
[21:43] <jjesse> will firefox in hardy be 3.0? or still 2?
[21:43] <smarter> jjesse: we have firefox 3b3 in the repos
[21:43] <mhb> 3.0
[21:44] <jjesse> i kno 3b3 is in the repos
[21:44] <jjesse> !info firefox hardy
[21:44] <ubotu> firefox (source: firefox): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.12+2nobinonly+2-0ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 8964 kB, installed size 26032 kB
[21:44] <hads> heh lightweight
[21:44] <mhb> !info firefox-3.0 hardy
[21:44] <ubotu> firefox-3.0 (source: firefox-3.0): lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0~b3~cvs20080101t1000+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1077 kB, installed size 3704 kB
[21:45] <jjesse> mhb: whatt is default?
[21:45] <mhb> jjesse: I think 2 but 3 is suggested , at least so it was when I upgraded
[21:45] <mhb> but seeing firefox3 in main I'd guess they dump the 2
[21:45] <jjesse> so in the book chpt i can say fireffox is version??????????
[21:46] <mhb> jeez
[21:46] <mhb> I am not a reliable source of that info
[21:46] <mhb> #ubuntu-devel is where you should seek your answers for GNOME stuff
[21:51] <Tm_T> hmmmm
[21:51] <Tm_T> I keep wondering...
[21:51] <jjesse> hrrmm what?
[21:51] <Tm_T> jcastro: wake up
[21:51] <jjesse> according to #ubuuntu-devel it will be 3.0
[21:52] <Tm_T> jjesse: jcastro asked nick of mine, but, mmmmh, nothing since I've been here
[21:52] <jjesse> i'm so tired
[21:53] <Tm_T> I am too
[21:54] <jjesse> its wierd how being 3 hours behind your normal schedule changes things
[21:54] <jcastro> Tm_T: sorry, hi.
[21:54] <Tm_T> Yes - Changes <3
[21:54] <Tm_T> jcastro: hey no problems, I was just worried if I have done something really bad
[21:54] <jjesse> isn't that usually the case :P
[21:54] <Tm_T> well it is
[21:54] <jcastro> heh
[21:54] <Tm_T> that's why I'm worried about it
[21:56] <mhb> Riddell: ping?
[21:57] <mhb> I need a skilled Python/Qt coder to help me
[21:57] <Tm_T> not me (yet)
[21:57] <mhb> I need to launch QApplication() only once in the whole app
[21:57] <jjesse> not it
[21:59] <mhb> but when I do it in a different .py file than the jockey-kde code is, it still complains to me
[21:59] <mhb> so I do
[21:59] <mhb>         qapp = QApplication(sys.argv)
[21:59] <mhb>         self.ui = KDEUI()
[21:59] <mhb> and I get
[21:59] <mhb> QWidget: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice
[22:01] <mhb> and I really need advice :o)
[22:02] <Riddell> mhb: hmm, dunno, I'd probably need to look at the full code
[22:02] <mhb> okies, let me commit
[22:04] <mhb> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~martin.bohm/jockey/jockey-kde
[22:04] <mhb> r154 is the latest
[22:05] <mhb> ./tests/run-qt is the culprit
[22:05] <mhb> you can test it by running PYTHONPATH=. ./tests/run-qt
[22:06] <Riddell> ImportError: No module named jockey.ui
[22:06] <Riddell> ok, got it
[22:06] <Riddell> launching UI
[22:06] <Riddell> QWidget: Must construct a QApplication before a QPaintDevice
[22:08] <mhb> right
[22:08] <Riddell> mhb: there's no QApplication in tests/run-qt
[22:08] <mhb> there is
[22:08] <mhb> :37 ?
[22:09] <Riddell>         KDEUI = getattr(imp.load_source('mod_gtk_impl', os.path.join(root_dir,
[22:09] <Riddell>                         'kde', 'jockey-kde')), 'KDEUI')
[22:09] <Riddell> I don't understand what that does
[22:10] <mhb> me either
[22:10] <mhb> the test suite is a quick copy from the gtk one
[22:10] <mhb> and it worked
[22:10] <mhb> for one test case
[22:10] <mhb> but with two, KDEUI() has to be called several times, so I needed to get rid of the QApplication in the kde/jockey-kde
[22:11] <mhb> (because calling QApplication twice results in a segfault too)
[22:15] <mhb> so I need to call QApplication() from within the tests/run-qt file
[22:15] <mhb> but then I get this error.
[22:23] <Riddell> blamo!
[22:23] <Riddell> mhb: self.qapp = QApplication(sys.argv)
[22:24] <Riddell> if it's not self. it's not a class variable and it gets deleted at the end of the method
[22:24] <mhb> ah
[22:24] <mhb> true.
[22:24] <mhb> thanks
[22:25] <mhb> hmm
[22:25] <mhb> strange
[22:25] <mhb> Riddell: the real fix is to move the qapp to :71
[22:26] <mhb> Riddell: I was just testing it inside the class because I thought it didn't work before. Well, I was mistaken.
[22:30] <jjesse> Riddell: in my hardy install (kde4) i did not have the kde4-khelpcenter installed so i couldn't opne up help
[22:30] <jjesse> should i file a bug?
[22:31] <smarter> jjesse: the brand new kubuntu-kde4-desktop package depends on kde4-khelpcenter
[22:31] <jjesse> smarter: ah cool
[22:31] <Riddell> there's be plenty of issues like that when CDs get made, most of them will be obvious
[22:31] <smarter> and some other useful things, like kwalletmanager-kde4
[22:32] <jjesse> just was trying to finish the book chapter last night and noticed i couldn't access help
[22:32] <smarter> mmh, apparently khelpcenter is empty
[22:33] <jjesse> yes yes it is
[22:33] <Riddell> details details
[22:33] <jjesse> i have no idea what/if any kde docs were rev'ed released for kde4
[22:34] <Riddell> I don't think any have been deleted
[22:34] <Riddell> it'll be a bug in the packaging
[22:34] <mhb> hmm, how do we load files from a Qt app?
[22:34] <mhb> I want to load the tray icon image, but that depends on the actual path, doesn't it?
[22:35] <Riddell> I just set the path
[22:35] <mhb> with /usr and all?
[22:35] <jjesse> dang it duplicate post to my blog and to planet.ubuntu.com
[22:35] <jjesse> bummer
[22:36] <Riddell> mhb: yes
[22:37] <Riddell> there's probably more elegant ways to do it
[23:07] <mhb> Riddell: does it make sense to have UIs only in their .ui form?
[23:07] <mhb> Riddell: feels a bit slower when we do
[23:08] <mhb> OTOH, Gnomeys do it, too
[23:19] <Riddell> mhb: I think it's much neater
[23:20] <Riddell> mhb: oh and you can do translations through gettext on the fly.  see system-config-printer-kde for how
[23:20]  * Riddell sleeps
[23:20] <mhb> okies
[23:20] <mhb> nighty night
[23:20] <mhb> see you in the morning
[23:29] <neversfelde> ahh jockey-kde. I think I will love it ;)
[23:31] <neversfelde> I ever wondered, if there is an explanation whi it is *-gtk and *-kde and not *-qt?
[23:31] <nareshov> neversfelde: there are -qt stuff too
[23:32] <nareshov> neversfelde: the -qt stuff don't use kdelibs
[23:32] <mhb> neversfelde: it's called jockey-kde but currently it is jockey-qt only
[23:32] <mhb> jockey-qt4
[23:32] <neversfelde> I see
[23:32] <mhb> but why confuse people?
[23:33] <nareshov> Is this /that/ confusing?
[23:33] <mhb> once we have all migrated to KDE4 it might (and will) get some KDE loving
[23:33]  * nareshov hopes
[23:33] <Riddell> I prefer -kde because that's what people know about, -qt or -gtk is an implementation issue
[23:33] <mhb> so it's better to name it jockey-kde now
[23:34] <neversfelde> I never noticed that difference
[23:34] <nareshov> I was wondering why there aren't lisp bindings for Qt :D
[23:35] <mhb> nareshov: me too, just yesterday
[23:39] <mhb> nareshov: those would be cool
[23:39] <mhb> nareshov: I'm sure one day, all of Kubuntu will be in lisp
[23:39] <nareshov> :D
[23:40]  * nosredna_ekim tries to wake up from his nightmare
[23:40] <mhb> nosredna_ekim: you don't like lisp?
[23:40] <mhb> why?
[23:41] <nareshov> why?!
[23:42] <nosredna_ekim> too many parentheses
[23:43] <nareshov> nosredna_ekim: that's the beauty of it :)
[23:43] <nareshov> For whatever reason, a lot of folks are put off by this syntax. Lisp's detractors tend to describe the syntax as "weird" and "annoying." Lisp, they say, must stand for Lots of Irritating Superfluous Parentheses. Lisp folks, on the other hand, tend to consider Lisp's syntax one of its great virtues.
[23:43]  * nareshov quotes from http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/syntax-and-semantics.html
[23:44]  * nosredna_ekim thinks their greatest usefulness is to drive away neophyte programmers
[23:44] <nareshov> :D
[23:45] <nareshov> !g define:neophyte
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> noobs
[23:45] <nareshov> oh
[23:46] <mhb> hmm, this UI stuff is getting boring
[23:46] <mhb> for some reason, the evil notification displays in the middle of the screen instead of the right place
[23:48] <nosredna_ekim> restricted-manager rewrite?
[23:48] <mhb> yep
[23:48] <nareshov> And is there a way to make all these sudo using KDE stuff to use the user's KDE syle/colours/etc.
[23:49] <nareshov> ?
[23:49] <mhb> it's almost complete, but it has those nasty glitches you end up catching the whole night
[23:49] <mhb> like this one
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> is someone working on a command line version?
[23:50] <mhb> nope
[23:50] <nosredna_ekim> I suppose its too late for getting one in hardy.
[23:51] <mhb> unless you are the kind of hacker that doesn't sleep
[23:52] <nosredna_ekim> nah... and I have a life too, oh well, maybe I'll write it for hardy+1...
[23:58] <neversfelde> if Hardy+1 would be a german release, I would call it "Irrer Igel" (mad hedge-dog). It should not be very stable then :)
[23:58] <nareshov> heh
[23:59] <nosredna_ekim> Ipatient Ibus