[00:00] <oloughlin75> luigi - /join #ubuntu-it
[00:00] <yereth> nosrednaekim: it's not there
[00:00] <luigi> tanks
[00:00] <intelikey> /help
[00:00] <denis> ok, thanks guys. Now it doesn't show anymore the possibility to upgrade
[00:00] <luigi> anyone in italian channel!!!
[00:01] <copacetic> Look and find out.
[00:01] <denis> I guess you have to learn English ;-)
[00:01] <Arwen> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=1815 <-- whoa, Photoshop really runs in WINE now? Awesome.
[00:01] <nosrednaekim> yereth➜ hrm.... you may have to manually add it
[00:02] <oloughlin75> Any other java ides recommended before i go ahead and install eclipse???/
[00:02] <intelikey> !ide
[00:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:03] <intelikey> !java
[00:03] <yereth> nosrednaekim: where did make put it? :/
[00:03] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[00:03] <yereth> nosrednaekim: doesn't seem to be in the folder I was in
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> yereth➜ probably right there in that folder.
[00:03] <luigi> i've just buy a new pc... i'm going to put ubuntu in. it's better to use 32 or 64 bit version?
[00:03] <intelikey> guess not.
[00:03] <oloughlin75> intelikey: I am not looking java
[00:03] <oloughlin75> for*
[00:03] <copacetic> Arwen, Use GIMP :D
[00:04] <intelikey> oloughlin75 didn't say you were.  just looking for a bot listing of ide's
[00:04] <biovore> luigi: if your asking.. you probably want to use the 32bit version..
[00:04] <oloughlin75> oh
[00:04] <Arwen> copacetic, ...no
[00:04] <Arwen> besides, that was just a statement of disbelief
[00:04] <luigi> biovore. not at all... i wanna know the real benefit
[00:04] <Arwen> it used to not work at all
[00:04] <copacetic> Ah
[00:05] <biovore> luigi: there really isn't any unless you got more then 4GB of ram
[00:05] <copacetic> I personally don't like using wine.
[00:06] <intelikey> wine is wine is not an emulator
[00:06] <luigi> biovore so, it's better just for the ram!
[00:06] <biovore> luigi: 64bit has complications when dealing with closed source stuff and things like flash.
[00:06] <flipstar> biovore: luigi sure there is an advantage in 64bit in some applications..but also disadvantages
[00:06] <luigi> biovore well, this is my question!
[00:07] <sara> hello
[00:07] <yereth> nosrednaekim: what's the extension of a theme?
[00:07]  * intelikey is ready for a 64 bit system.   he also has trouble with closed source stuff and flash...
[00:07] <copacetic> I'm off. Ta
[00:07] <denis> oh, a gril :-)
[00:07] <denis> äh girl
[00:07] <nosrednaekim> yereth➜ .kth? or .thm?
[00:07] <yereth> I see some domino*.so files
[00:08] <yereth> nosrednaekim: with locate
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> yereth➜ not them...
[00:08] <yereth> nosrednaekim: and /usr/share/apps/kstyle/themes/domino.themerc
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> Tecmi➜ thats the one!
[00:08] <flipstar> luigi: i still would recommend 32bit since there will be no troubles with some special packages and apps
[00:08] <sara> I set a friend up with gutsy gibbon on a dual-core machine , everything went fine but a few updates later no sound. He uses onboard soundcard. Is there a way to get ubuntu to reinstall sound drivers?
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> probaby
[00:08] <yereth> nosrednaekim: but kcontrol doesn't recognize it as a theme
[00:09] <MrJigsaw> What client do you guys use for skype @ linux +
[00:09] <intelikey> sara you don't install drivers  per'se   you insert the kernel module
[00:09] <sara> thanks
[00:09] <biovore> sara: probably the intel-HD sound..  One of the kernels dosn't have the drive for it in it for some reason..  You probably got an update that updated the kernel to a version that dosn't have the intel-HD sound driver in it.
[00:09] <intelikey> sara if it is a propritary module then you'll have to rebuild it for the newer kernel
[00:10] <sara> ive got homework to do
[00:10] <sara> .. on how to do the above mentioned
[00:11] <intelikey> sara otherwise you simply    sudo modprobe snd-<his/her_card_here>    and add the module name to /etc/modules
[00:11] <oloughlin75> hd-intel is supported by alsa 1.0.15 and 1.0.16... why doesnt ubuntu update to the latest version?
[00:11] <intelikey> the above mentioned.  would be to recompile it the same way you did the first time.
[00:12] <intelikey> oloughlin75 heh.  they can't keep up.  it's simple.   if you want to help.   see !support
[00:12] <gundam_rx78nt1> I'm baaaack!
[00:12] <sara> thank you
[00:12] <biovore> sara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller  <-- if all else fails
[00:12] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I will ask my question again...
[00:13] <yereth> nosrednaekim: well, the theme is not there, but I can select a bunch of stuff domino stuff
[00:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> My glx screen savers are doing split second stop motions like the system is under tremendous load... but it isn't.
[00:13] <yereth> nosrednaekim: domino style*
[00:13] <gundam_rx78nt1> what can I do to correct this?
[00:14] <yereth> time for sleep
[00:14] <yereth> nn all
[00:14] <intelikey> enable 3d acceleration
[00:14] <gundam_rx78nt1> My info: AMD64 3200 Nvidia 7600 w/512MB on the card and 1GB of system memory.
[00:14] <intelikey> !nv | gundam_rx78nt1
[00:14] <ubotu> gundam_rx78nt1: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:14] <gundam_rx78nt1> It wasn't doing this until I installed Gutsy.
[00:14] <nosrednaekim> yereth➜ ok...
[00:15] <oloughlin75> why is it taking so long to download eclipse...
[00:15] <gundam_rx78nt1> intelikey, I already have the restricted drivers installed.  Thanks for that portion.
[00:16] <Xavier_Z> gundam_rx78nt1: glxinfo | grep direct
[00:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> I wouldn't be here asking if I didn't try the forums first.
[00:16] <intelikey> glxinfo | grep -i acc
[00:16] <dsmith_> nosrednaekim: ATI in the ACER 5050
[00:16] <gundam_rx78nt1> Xavier, give me moment.
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> dsmith_➜ what?
[00:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> direct rendering: Yes
[00:17] <dsmith_> nosrednaekim: ATI in the ACER 5050??
[00:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow, GL_SUN_slice_accum
[00:17] <dsmith_> I'll pass
[00:18] <oloughlin75> dsmith_: Get a dell if you want easy :)
[00:18] <gundam_rx78nt1>  visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
[00:18] <dsmith_> haha
[00:18] <oloughlin75> Do they install crap on it like their windows pcs?
[00:18] <dsmith_> I/m trying not to go that route
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> dsmith_➜ yeah... it has an ATI, but its very well supported
[00:18] <dsmith_> nos
[00:18] <dsmith_> nosrednaekim: ok
[00:18] <denis> btw: what do you think about proprietary drivers?
[00:18] <intelikey> hmmm and it's still choppy ?     sure the cpu is not loaded ?
[00:19] <dsmith_> oloughlin75: yea, they still install MS office and nortons
[00:19] <dsmith_> :P
[00:19] <gundam_rx78nt1> yep. the cpu is currently at 10% load.
[00:19] <oloughlin75> oh god norton
[00:19]  * coreymon77 has a macbook
[00:19] <intelikey> glxgears   see where the cpu goes
[00:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> brb.
[00:20] <oloughlin75> i dont get the point of buying osx :/ kde can look the same and is a bit more customizable
[00:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> approximately 2500 frames and the cpu is spiked.
[00:20] <oloughlin75> its not like windows that has programs that you may need to run
[00:20] <gundam_rx78nt1> 100%
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77➜ wave that in our face will you <_<
[00:21] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: i will
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[00:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> 392 fps.
[00:22] <intelikey> i dont know unless something is bugging out in the screen saver itself
[00:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> It's happening with all the glx screen savers...
[00:22] <gundam_rx78nt1> I wonder if I should remove these drivers and install them manually?
[00:22] <flipstar> btw what is 'knotify4' for ?
[00:23] <intelikey> dont see it hurting anything.
[00:23] <oloughlin75> gundam_rx78nt1: be carefull with the nvidia installer -- it can mess up the xorg.conf easily
[00:23] <nosrednaekim> flipstar➜ making annpoying popups slightly less annoying
[00:23] <intelikey> and the newest patch at nvidia might help too     or not.
[00:24] <gundam_rx78nt1> oh, my other question was that I noticed a big update for kde was uploaded last night... has anybody have any problems after the install/update?
[00:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> 47 updated packages.
[00:25] <Makuseru> what is a "segmentation fault"?
[00:25] <oloughlin75> program error
[00:25] <flipstar> do i need that knotify4 ? if not how could i uninstall ? (its taking much memory, more than usual i think)
[00:25] <NickPresta> Makuseru, your computer throwing up on the inside :)
[00:25] <intelikey> l33t way to say it crashed Makuseru
[00:26] <Liono>  in internet cafe  i was thinking of a system that auto logs internet usability time on server.  employee through the server may allow/disallow internet sharing for each pc. but the record/logs are auto written in the server and  no one could access or edite del those logs except me... possible ?
[00:26] <gundam_rx78nt1> isn't knotify4 what kubuntu uses to notify you of the updated available?
[00:26] <Makuseru> i was trying to run a program from the terminal to see why it wouldnt open, but all it told me was "Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[00:26] <flipstar> gundam_rx78nt1: no thats adept_notify or similar
[00:27] <Level15> heym when I do aptitude search somepkg and i get something like "iB   pkgname  pkgdescriptio", what does that B mean?
[00:27] <oloughlin75> Makuseru: The program has a major problem :/
[00:27] <gundam_rx78nt1> mea culpa flipstar.
[00:27] <Makuseru> stupid blender
[00:27] <flipstar> np gundam_rx78nt1
[00:27] <gundam_rx78nt1> :)
[00:27] <intelikey> Makuseru you can strace <appname>   for more info.  but i don't promice that it will be human readable.
[00:28] <Makuseru> intelikey: ha, well im trying a reinstall right now, ill try that if this dosnt work
[00:28] <oloughlin75> wont that just give a ton of memory locations/
[00:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> now, is there anybody with experience messing with the sensors.conf file?
[00:28] <NickPresta> Makuseru, I would join the Bender channel and ask them how you should proceed. Providing a trace (via strace as intelikey suggested) is probably a good start.
[00:28] <NickPresta> s/Bender/Blender/
[00:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> I want to display my monitoring info on superkaramba monitors in degrees Fahrenheit.
[00:30] <intelikey> gundam_rx78nt1 not a karamba but http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d167773c2
[00:30] <oloughlin75> gundam_rx78nt1: : /home/user/.kde/apps/superkaraba
[00:31] <oloughlin75> eclipse is STILL downloading libs.....
[00:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have the monitors in superkaramba but they display the temperature in degrees C.  I would like them in degrees F.
[00:31] <oloughlin75> gundam_rx78nt1: : /home/user/.kde/apps/superkaraba edit the weather one
[00:31] <NickPresta> gundam_rx78nt1, you can edit the Karamba theme.
[00:33] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, just double the C temp subtract 10% and add 32 :)
[00:33] <sparr_> is there a way to not show hidden files in just one folder?  my home folder, specifically.  in konqueror.  or dolphin (ick)
[00:34] <gundam_rx78nt1> NickPresta and BluesKaj: where do I do that in this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=mc4f0685
[00:37] <NickPresta> gundam_rx78nt1, http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssensors.html "Add the TEMPUNIT parameter to the KARAMBA line in your .theme file to specify the temperature unit. The default is Celsius. To specify Fahrenheit, use TEMPUNIT=F."
[00:37] <flipstar> gundam_rx78nt1: seems like you dont have lm_sensors installed ..
[00:37] <flipstar> btw version 3.0.1 is out
[00:37] <oloughlin75> is there a default unclutter windows command?
[00:37] <gundam_rx78nt1>  Ok, let me try that.
[00:38] <coreymon77> oloughlin75: expose? ;)
[00:38] <oloughlin75> ya, is there a default keystroke for it/.
[00:38] <coreymon77> oloughlin75: you dont get it
[00:38] <coreymon77> oloughlin75: notice the ;)
[00:39] <oloughlin75> the same thing for linux
[00:39] <oloughlin75> i dont know what its called lol
[00:39] <coreymon77> oloughlin75: its not the same
[00:39] <coreymon77> oloughlin75: its called kompose and its not nearly as good
[00:39] <NickPresta> There is an Expose feature in Compiz(-Fusion) which works very well.
[00:40] <coreymon77> NickPresta: it cant be the same as the mac os one, thats the original
[00:40] <oloughlin75> im scared to try compiz again :(
[00:40] <NickPresta> coreymon77, no of course it isn't the 'original'. However, this is a clone (pretty much) so it works just as well as Expose on the Mac
[00:41] <coreymon77> NickPresta: well of course it works just as well
[00:41] <coreymon77> i have to say though
[00:41] <coreymon77> i do miss virtual desktops on this thing
[00:43] <intelikey> there's no temp sensor on this box   so it can't get hot!
[00:43] <flipstar> great idea
[00:43] <gundam_rx78nt1> NickPresta: it didn't work.  I placed the TEMPUNIT=F in different places in the file and still nothing.
[00:44] <denis_> I don't know if you consider it as a problem but does anobody know a program/plug-in for firefox to stream mms?
[00:45] <intelikey> °F
[00:45] <Arwen> denis_, mplayerplugin might work
[00:45] <Arwen> assuming you're talking about playback and not broadcast
[00:45] <BluesKaj> denis_, or vlc
[00:45] <flipstar> gundam_rx78nt1: did you installed lm-sensors ?
[00:46] <denis_> ah cool, but I also need the program itself, right?
[00:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> I found the problem
[00:46] <denis_> not only the plug-in
[00:46] <Arwen> yes
[00:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> the problem is between the monitor and the chair.
[00:46] <gundam_rx78nt1> doesn't read well.
[00:46] <Arwen> gundam_rx78nt1, a faulty keyboard?
[00:46] <intelikey> heh
[00:47] <intelikey> pebcak
[00:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> nope Arwen, but good guess.
[00:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> a little further back.
[00:47] <Arwen> an unstable desk? :-P
[00:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> yes, yes that's it. I can't read it well while it's shaking.
[00:48] <intelikey> °°°°°°°°
[00:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> I didn't place the TEMPUNIT=F in the karamba line.
[00:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> Now it's working.
[00:52] <intelikey> oh.  i don't guess i can man bash if bash is not installed....   anyone remember the inputrc set string to turn that stupid "more like pager affect" off ?
[00:52] <oloughlin75> how do i make the clock 12 hours?
[00:52] <intelikey> right click and configure it.
[00:53] <coreymon77> intelikey: and why exactly is bash not installed
[00:53] <Liono> can i allow 4 apps to run, some file sharings , a shutdown button on destkopand NONE else on clients.. i mean none.... no right clicks no kmenu. .. nothing. possible?
[00:53] <intelikey> languages section oloughlin75
[00:53] <intelikey> coreymon77 ummm cause i dont like bash ?     perl and python are not installed either
[00:54] <denis_> Arwen, Blueskaj seems like its working...
[00:54] <flipstar> uhm isnt bash the basic of *ubuntu ?
[00:54] <biovore> intelikey using csh?
[00:54] <intelikey> dash
[00:54] <Arwen> flipstar, no, Linux is.
[00:54] <Arwen> you can use whatever shell you want
[00:54] <denis_> nooo, its not
[00:54] <biovore> a shell is just a program that lunches other programs
[00:55] <intelikey> shell is a command intrupretor
[00:55] <denis_> working, that s what I meant
[00:56] <flipstar> bash is very configureable..i really love my shell :P
[00:56] <intelikey> yes bash is very bloated, i agree
[00:56] <denis_> !de
[00:56] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[00:57] <intelikey> actually i like bash alright.   i just don't have it installed here now.    i like dash better because it's light weight, posix compliant. fast.
[00:57] <oloughlin75> eclipse is only at 46% downloaded... its been like an hour, whys it taking so long?
[01:00] <jhutchins> oloughlin75: Bandwidth bottleneck somewhere.
[01:00] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  admit it - you just like doing things the hard way
[01:00]  * intelikey admits it
[01:00] <jhutchins> intelikey: bash is all those things too.
[01:01] <intelikey> jhutchins light weight ?    i don't think so.
[01:01] <stevarino> hey all again
[01:01] <stevarino> i'm installing firmware for the broadcom 4300 network adaptor, its asking me for a firmware location and is providing me with http://xeve.de/down/wl_apsta.o - is this safe?
[01:02] <Dr_willis> egads it may use a whole.. what? 1 mb? 4 mb? :)
[01:02] <intelikey> when a simple shell eats 4m of ram,  that's not light.
[01:02]  * Dr_willis goes back to his timex sinclare with its huge 4k ram expansion!
[01:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:02] <Dr_willis> and little calculator roll printer.
[01:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: Depends what you compare it to I guess.
[01:03] <BluesKaj> what's the best app for joining avi files together ?
[01:03]  * Dr_willis wonders if you can cat avi files together.
[01:04] <biovore> nope you cant..
[01:04] <NickPresta> Dr_willis, you can actually. i was going to suggest it
[01:04] <NickPresta> if they are the same format and such, you can, I believe
[01:04] <biovore> depends on the player
[01:04] <biovore> end up with 2 headers in a file
[01:04] <biovore> mplayer will play it :-P
[01:04] <BluesKaj> I want to make them into one file , not just play them in sequence
[01:05] <Dr_willis> cat would make them 1 file
[01:05] <biovore> There are some decent video editing software that work ok..
[01:05] <BluesKaj> avidemux ?
[01:05] <Dr_willis> i rarely actually 'edit' video. I just tend to convert it
[01:05] <NickPresta> Hmm. Avidemux should have a "merge" option
[01:06] <Dr_willis> avidemux is more of a converter.. it proberly has some basic 3editing stuff
[01:06] <biovore> yup.. thats what I am thinking..
[01:06] <BluesKaj> I don't convert it anymore since most avi stuff is divx or xvid
[01:06] <flipstar> yes avidemux does it if the resolution is the same..
[01:06] <biovore> there is also open movie editor
[01:06] <biovore> I use mencoder to convert between formats
[01:06] <denis_> seems like neither mplayer nor vlc can play an mms
[01:06] <NickPresta> same. ffmpeg, and mencoder are awesome
[01:06] <claydoh> kdenlive openmovie editor, LiVES, kino for dv grabbing and editing
[01:06] <biovore> mms is weird protocol..
[01:07] <denis_> hmm
[01:07] <BluesKaj> not converting , just joining 2 files of the same extension (avi )
[01:07] <oloughlin75> shading is so convenient!
[01:07] <biovore> avi is just a container for video/audo
[01:07] <Dr_willis> try cat all ready? ;) it may do it just fine
[01:07] <denis_> the mplayer plug-in loos good at the beginning
[01:07] <claydoh> hmm
[01:07] <flipstar> BluesKaj: use avidemux
[01:07] <denis_> looks..., sorry
[01:08] <NickPresta> hmm. Using straight cat, it works but it doesn't show the video length past the "first" movie. It still plays fine though.
[01:08] <intelikey> cat blah.1 blah.2 > output
[01:08] <denis_> but when you press the play button it's loading and loading....
[01:09] <BluesKaj> flipstar, any pointers , how to join 2 files ?
[01:09] <flipstar> just open the first file then click append ..
[01:09] <flipstar> in menu
[01:09] <flipstar> but they have to be similar ..
[01:12] <sub[t]rnl> BluesKaj➜ i use avimerge
[01:12] <claydoh> BluesKaj: avimerge -o foo.avi -i foo1.avi foo2.avi
[01:12] <claydoh> avimerge is part of transcode I think
[01:12] <sub[t]rnl> yup
[01:13] <Arwen> 'mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy 1.avi 2.avi -o 3.avi' works too
[01:19] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d369c5554
[01:20] <BluesKaj> flipstar, avidemux successfully merged the 2 avi files by appending and copying, then saving
[01:20] <stevarino> should i even consider using a 64 bit system if i  have less than 2 gigs of ram?
[01:21] <Arwen> intelikey, that's a, um, interesting script
[01:21] <flipstar> BluesKaj: great..there also other methods mentioned above
[01:21] <intelikey> yes you should consider it.  then install the 32 bit.
[01:21] <BluesKaj> stevarino, that's plenty ... I have 1 G Ram and ran 64 bit successfully
[01:21] <intelikey> Arwen just a shortening of the command line.
[01:22] <BluesKaj> stevarino, but the 64 bit is clunky with ati graphics so be warned
[01:24] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1c8e6dba <<< daz how i burn iso's to disk  but there are many other ways.
[01:29] <flipstar> bYe
[01:30] <the_darkside_986> does anyone know how to make the Home and Computer icons show up on the KDE desktop?
[01:30] <dystopianray> the_darkside_986: cp /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/* ~/Desktop/
[01:30] <the_darkside_986> ok cool i'll try that
[01:31] <the_darkside_986> yeah that seems to have worked. thanks
[01:32] <Dr_willis> that seems a little... obscoure. :) heh heh
[01:32] <Dr_willis> then again - i keep those icons in the panel.
[01:32] <the_darkside_986> i kept trying to make a sym link all day, as well as copy the icon from the taskbar. it never would show...
[01:33] <dystopianray> kubuntu doesn't install the .desktop files for Home or System by default, but they are still left in /usr/share/apps/kdesktop/unused/ luckily
[01:33] <dystopianray> so it's easy to just copy them into your Desktop folder
[01:33] <Dr_willis> there seems to be a trend in getting all these icons OFF the desktop. :)
[01:33] <Dr_willis> and these old-timer users keep putting them back.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> Ive seen windows users with what must be 200 icons on their desktop befor
[01:34] <the_darkside_986> i try to put nothing but application and special folder links on my desktop
[01:34] <dystopianray> hehe, 200 is ridiculous
[01:34] <Dr_willis> and they got them 'grouped' to one side or the other... heh
[01:34] <the_darkside_986> yeah and most of it is probably adware programs they picked up :P
[01:34] <Dr_willis> do a rearange icon.. and they get mad.
[01:35] <Dr_willis> 200 icons with 'shortcut to ...' makes them so MUCH more readable!
[01:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:35] <dystopianray> it's also possible to make konqueror the default file manager rather than dolphin, if you hate dolphin
[01:36] <anon32> I hate both :-(
[01:36] <intelikey> two icons on desktop is rediculess to me.
[01:37] <intelikey> actually > 0 is
[01:37] <oloughlin75> looks so empty though
[01:37] <intelikey> put a picture on it
[01:37] <oloughlin75> i have a great picture
[01:37] <oloughlin75> still looks like its missing something
[01:38] <intelikey> what do you do    sit and stair at the blank desktop full of icons ?
[01:38] <oloughlin75> i dont have any icons on the desktop
[01:38] <mefisto__> do a screencap of the average windows desktop with 200 icons, and use that
[01:38] <oloughlin75> lol
[01:38] <the_darkside_986> i think an animated version of "Alien Night" on an icon-less desktop would be stunning
[01:38] <intelikey> lol
[01:38] <sd32> is it nessessary to run a software firewall as well as a hardware firewall?
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> haha
[01:38] <oloughlin75> i wish i could set xaos as the background
[01:38] <sd32> lol
[01:38] <biovore> not really
[01:39] <sd32> ok,  thanks
[01:39] <intelikey> sd32 is it nessessary to have a firewall at all ?
[01:39] <intelikey> if no ports are open... what's the point ?      just me i guess.
[01:39] <the_darkside_986> my router has a firewall, even though i kinda turned it off because it was causing connection problems. but i get attempted remote logins sometimes.
[01:39] <sd32> ihave a router   firewall for my windows machine
[01:40] <oloughlin75> does kubuntu come with a firewall?
[01:40] <the_darkside_986> one time while i was installing Sabayon, a dialog came up saying that someone was trying to connect to my PC :0
[01:40] <intelikey> oloughlin75 linux has firewall capabilities in the kernel   yes.
[01:40] <intelikey> !iptables
[01:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[01:40] <sd32> just wonder why they have firewall   in the repositorys if there  not needed
[01:41] <the_darkside_986> does anyone here use moblock in *buntu 7.10? i couldn't get it to stop messing up my http browsing to google and other places.
[01:41] <mefisto__> sd32: someone made them, someone wants them
[01:41] <CharonP1> hey guys
[01:42] <intelikey> sd32 "not needed" depends entirely on how you set up your system.     servers kinda need ways to block malicious sites and other unwanted traffic.
[01:42] <sd32> ohh ok
[01:42] <sd32> thnaks
[01:42] <sd32> thanks
[01:43] <intelikey> !av
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about av - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <intelikey> !virus
[01:43] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[01:43] <the_darkside_986> !moblock
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moblock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <intelikey> i like that page             ^
[01:43] <oloughlin75> How linux doesnt have a virus problem ^_^
[01:43] <intelikey> yeah.
[01:44] <sd32> what about the kernel exploits?
[01:44] <oloughlin75> nobody actually exploits them
[01:44] <anon32> they fixed one today actually
[01:44] <intelikey> there are a few.  they get patched pretty quickly.
[01:44] <the_darkside_986> yeah i fixed my Ubuntu exploit problem with the novmsplice module
[01:44] <anon32> oloughlin75, "nobody"?
[01:44] <oloughlin75> the vast majority dont
[01:45] <intelikey> splain
[01:45] <the_darkside_986> scary but luckily i don't have a system that is begging to execute every little thing it sees on the internet. :D
[01:46] <intelikey> the_darkside_986 maybe we can write you a script to change that       lol
[01:47] <intelikey> it'll have to be in perl tho   >:]
[01:47] <the_darkside_986> lol
[01:47] <Rukus> hi i recently uninstalled xserver-xgl , installed a new ATI graphics driver,, newest from ATI site, and now when i try ctrl alt backspace, my system doesnt hang, it just blanks the screen and stops there. ctrl alt del restarts the machine
[01:48] <Rukus> i also have compiz running
[01:49] <the_darkside_986> why must you use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace? is the X server not working properly anymore? if you need to kill a nasty x process you should probably go to another tty via Ctrl+Alt+Fn
[01:51] <Rukus> okay, maybe its not a big deal all in all, just like when things work
[01:51] <denis_> for any who are interested: wm streaming is working with win32 codecs, mplayer and konqueror
[01:51] <Rukus> thanks for the alternative!
[01:51] <intelikey> the_darkside_986 here's that script for you... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4542413e
[01:51] <sd32> ip tables allows all traffic by default..lol
[01:51] <mefisto__> Rukus: did any unusual options get added to xorg.conf?
[01:53] <Rukus> i am not sure, i had to run dpkg-server etc... whatever the command is.. to revert to xorg driver, after i uninstalled the fglrx driver that came with ubuntu, to install the driver from ATI's website, so i basically let it redo my xorg.conf for me
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> Rukus➜ you don't need to use xgl with the newest ati drivers
[01:53] <Rukus> i dont use xgl
[01:53] <the_darkside_986> @intelikey lol thanks. i've never seen a lot of perl, but all i can say is, it rivals brainf*ck in terms of unreadability.
[01:53] <Rukus> i uninstalled it
[01:53] <intelikey> indeed.
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> the_darkside_986➜ that, sir, is the quote of the day
[01:55] <the_darkside_986> hmm i wonder what would happen if i ran the old fork bomb on the school's linux server. i guess i should keep wondering and NOT try it during the next Unix class meeting :P
[01:56] <unix_lappy> can anyone recommend a cross platform calendaring app?
[01:57] <unix_lappy> (not thunderbird / sunbird)
[01:57] <Rukus> also i do have two xorg processes running
[01:57] <Rukus> how do i fix that
[01:58] <mefisto__> unix_lappy: google calendar?
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> unix_lappy➜ how about google cal?
[01:58] <unix_lappy> mefisto__: i would consider google cal a web service.
[01:58] <unix_lappy> not an application.
[01:59] <mefisto__> unix_lappy: maybe you could try considering it an application? :)
[01:59] <denis_> anybody there with Intel HD audio?
[01:59] <unix_lappy> mefisto__: i don't always have internet.
[01:59] <unix_lappy> and i'm not always on linux.
[01:59] <unix_lappy> so i'd like to have something for both.
[01:59] <oloughlin75> denis_: I do
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> unix_lappy➜ well, getting rid of sunbird kinda limits you then
[01:59] <denis_> mine is recognized but doesn't work
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> !hdaintel
[02:00] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[02:00] <unix_lappy> even though if google provided an ad-based local application i would use it.
[02:00] <denis_> ah ok, thanks nosrednaekim
[02:01] <oloughlin75> denis_: Get the 1.0.16, it is the latest and works well
[02:01] <mefisto__> unix_lappy: I use korganizer on linux and sunbird on windows, using the same calendar file. It works OK
[02:01] <unix_lappy> mefisto__: right, but i barely find sunbird functional enough.
[02:01] <intelikey> cal
[02:02] <denis_> oloughlin75 the intel driver you mean?
[02:02] <denis_> or alsa?
[02:02] <oloughlin75> alsa
[02:02] <Peng> Is the Kubuntu installer able to install on a hard drive that's already partitioned and filesystemed and even has some data on it, without screwing things up?
[02:02] <unix_lappy> intelikey: har har.
[02:02] <denis_> aah, ok, I thought its installed by default
[02:02] <oloughlin75> when you click on on the alsa-driver itll take you to a list -- 1.0.16 is the latest
[02:02]  * unix_lappy sorely wishes ical was on linux and windows.
[02:02] <Xavier_Z> Peng: generally yes
[02:03] <denis_> ok, I will have a look at it
[02:03] <Peng> Xavier_Z: Very reassuring.
[02:03] <oloughlin75> denis_: are you following the instructions?
[02:03] <denis_> is there no driver by intel?
[02:03] <Peng> Xavier_Z: What's not "general"?
[02:03] <intelikey> peng ubiquity will want to format /   if you know enough about linux you can force just about any installer to work tho
[02:03] <denis_> by the way, I am wrong, it's not an intel chip but a Realtek
[02:04] <Xavier_Z> denis: Realtek cards are simply horrible to use on Linux
[02:04] <intelikey> Peng what fs are you planning to install on ?
[02:04] <denis_> great
[02:04] <Xavier_Z> denis_: i've tried to get sound for about a week and failed...
[02:04] <oloughlin75> denis_: Follow the instructions on the list- they work
[02:04] <oloughlin75> link*
[02:04] <Peng> intelikey: RAID 1ed ReiserFS.
[02:04] <denis_> ok, I will do so
[02:04] <Peng> I'd like to switch to ext3 too, but maybe I'll do that another time.
[02:05] <intelikey> k that should work  just watch closely all options before clicking ok on any portion of the installer
[02:05] <Peng> intelikey: Gentoo's old "installer" (aka boot to command line live CD, "fdisk" and everything yourself) was kind of nice here. I'd have to go to effort *to* break things.
[02:05] <Peng> intelikey: Yeah.
[02:06] <intelikey> lots easier to break things with ubuntu
[02:06] <Peng> I even finally got a new mouse for this purpose, because my old one likes double-clicking when I single-click.
[02:06] <unix_lappy> coreymon77: i recently just found an application called monocalendar.
[02:06] <Peng> intelikey: I wish I knew how to break its management of resolv.conf..
[02:06] <unix_lappy> they're porting it to linux via mono as well...i'm going to test it out :-)
[02:07] <Peng> BTW, say I "apt-get install"ed a few things on the live DVD. Would they come across to the disk install?
[02:07] <denis_> 1.0.16 is the latest :-)
[02:07] <denis_> alsa
[02:07] <Xavier_Z> Peng: no
[02:07] <intelikey> several ways.   look in /etc/defaults  for the answer.   or just make /etc/resolv.conf immutable  and watch the offending app complain about it    heh
[02:07] <Peng> Xavier_Z: Ok.
[02:07] <oloughlin75> denis_: thats what i meant
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> intelikey➜ I think you have a devicive side.... liking to watch apps complain....
[02:08] <intelikey> Peng no.   but you can install them there before rebooting if you need to.
[02:08] <Peng> No, I don't want to use the U.S. Russian phonetic keyboard layout..
[02:08] <intelikey> nosrednaekim :)
[02:09] <Peng> If I suddenly ping out, apparently that accidental double-click was a really bad idea.
[02:09] <denis_> damn, my vendor is not supported
[02:09] <intelikey> nosrednaekim if you want to know what keeps overwritting your resolc.conf file, that's one way to find it.
[02:09] <denis_> oloughlin75
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> intelikey➜ ^_^
[02:09] <sub[t]rnl> how d
[02:09] <denis_> how do I know which spoundchip I have?
[02:09] <sub[t]rnl> sounds like i'm missing some good "chattr"
[02:09] <denis_> sound...
[02:10]  * sub[t]rnl chuckles
[02:10] <coreymon77> sub[t]rnl: lspci probably
[02:10] <oloughlin75> denis_: you dont need to know to install alsa
[02:10] <oloughlin75> denis_: it should work after the install so you wont need to do those steps
[02:10] <oloughlin75> denis_: on the tutorial
[02:10] <BluesKaj> denis_, lspci  | grep audio
[02:11] <denis_> ok
[02:11] <sub[t]rnl> grep -i audio
[02:11] <Peng> Uh-oh, now I can't run the installer.
[02:11] <Peng> I freaked out and killed it.
[02:11] <denis_> denis@Laptop:~$ lspci | grep audio
[02:11] <denis_> denis@Laptop:~$
[02:11] <Peng> And now it doesn't start. :)
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> denis_➜ grep for sound
[02:12] <rance> does anybody have a tutorial that will allow an existing KDE session on kubuntu to be available via vnc login (yes Im going to be doing it via an ssh tunnel, but thats beside the point)
[02:12] <sub[t]rnl> denis_➜ lspci |grep -i audio
[02:12] <sub[t]rnl> or sound :>
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> !vnc
[02:12] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[02:12] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: how do you make the arrow?
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75➜ its an option in konversation
[02:14] <denis_> ok, it says:
[02:14] <denis_> denis@Laptop:~$ lspci |grep -i audio
[02:14] <denis_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[02:14] <oloughlin75> whats the suffix for it?
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75➜ what?
[02:14] <denis_> really strange, I use a realtek driver under windows
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> just copy my arrow and paste it as the suffic
[02:15] <denis_> ok, I downloaded Alsa
[02:15] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: for the little arrow, what is the suffix to get the arrow instead of the colon?
[02:15]  * Peng seems to have broken ubiquity's mind.
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75➜ copy the arrow from here and paste it as the suffic
[02:15] <oloughlin75> lol thanks nosrednaekim
[02:15] <CharonP1> hey guys
[02:15] <Peng> Ok, killed the last process and now it's ok..
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> hey CharonP1
[02:16] <CharonP1> I'm trying to install kubuntu in a vmdk but the installer keeps detecting it as a scsi disk instead of a ide
[02:16] <CharonP1> gparted detects it as an ide
[02:16] <stratman4300> whats the current best method for increasing the size of a swap partition??
[02:16] <CharonP1> gparted denotes it as hda but kubuntu installer denotes it as sda
[02:16] <Dr_willis> ide disks are shown as scsi devices in some cases.
[02:16]  * Peng crosses his fingers.
[02:16] <Peng> Someone hug me.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> !hug
[02:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:17] <Dr_willis> from what i gather with vmware its best to make the virtual disks be seen as scsi devices anyway.
[02:17]  * unix_infidel wonders what calendaring app the Dr_willis evil monkey uses.
[02:17] <Dr_willis> unix_infidel,  None at all.
[02:17] <unix_infidel> must be old and semi-retired :-P
[02:17] <Dr_willis> Just old.
[02:17] <CharonP1> hmm
[02:17] <Dr_willis> i rarely even use email.
[02:18] <sub[t]rnl> stratman4300➜ best method would be using qtparted from a live cd and shrinking a partition to increase the swap
[02:18] <CharonP1> ok, but i even have it as an ide in the vmx.  scsi disks are set to not present
[02:18] <Peng> Hey, what? I have an ext3 partition and 30 gigs of unpartitioned space? I didn't know that.
[02:19] <Dr_willis> an IDE drive - is oftebn seen/shown as a 'sd'  scussi type device due to the libata changes.
[02:19] <sub[t]rnl> stratman4300➜ another method would be using loswap, mkswap, and swapon, but thats a bit more involved
[02:20] <intelikey> origen of .sh   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d1e4da1e2
[02:20] <CharonP1> alright, i guess I'll just go with it the way it is
[02:21] <stratman4300> sub[t]rnl: i guess my question would be if i just resize it, would i have to recreate the swap file system on it???  or can i just resize it and be good to go???
[02:21] <intelikey> actually shouldn't say "or dir"   but the rest i'll live with.
[02:21] <sub[t]rnl> stratman4300➜ most likely just re-size and be good to go
[02:22] <stratman4300> cool thanks for the info!! :)
[02:23] <CharonP1> if I set a separate part for /home, do I need to make that bootable, or just /
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> CharonP1➜ just /
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> I don't think / even has to be bootable.
[02:23] <CharonP1> thnx
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> but I may be wrong there.
[02:24] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d60e628f9 better.
[02:24] <CharonP1> I read something that the boot loaders ignore it or something, idk
[02:24] <intelikey> no / doesn't need to be bootable
[02:25] <mefisto__> so we should call it "bootable" since it doesn't affect bootable-ness
[02:25] <forto> the latestet kernel upgrades have broken my system ... firefox/konqueor/opera stopped working, aptitude crashes or tells me "Not enough resources to create thread"....
[02:25] <forto> anything to fix this?
[02:26] <intelikey> forto boot the older version kernel until they fix the bug ?
[02:26] <mortici> forto boot the previous kernel
[02:26] <oloughlin75> How can I have access denied for empying the trash?
[02:26] <intelikey> although that's not always an option.
[02:26] <mortici> put something there with not your permissions
[02:26] <mortici> ie. root
[02:26] <forto> the old kernel should still be installed?
[02:27] <mortici> forto the image yes
[02:27] <forto> (like pressing ESC on boot?)
[02:27] <intelikey> oloughlin75 aren't you the fellow that uses sudo for graphicla apps ?
[02:27] <forto> ok i'll try it.. thanks.. brb
[02:27] <oloughlin75> no
[02:27] <intelikey> oloughlin75 well that would be one way.
[02:28] <yasahiro> i have a question for you all.. on my kubuntu computer, songs sound so nice, but on my mp3 player, the same song is bad.. is there a program to process songs, like add a bass boost, or other effects, to a song?
[02:28] <mortici> n
[02:29] <oloughlin75> is there a way to empty the trash as sudo?
[02:29] <BluesKaj> yasahiro, describe "bad"
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> yasahiro➜ thats probably your mp3 player.
[02:30] <sub[t]rnl> oloughlin75➜ why do you want to do it with sudo?
[02:30] <denis_> thanks for your help guys
[02:30] <the_darkside_986> GNU Sound is in the repositories but i'm not exactly sure it can do _that_. yeah if the audio decoder software in the mp3 player sucks, there isn't much hope :(
[02:30] <denis_> good night
[02:30] <oloughlin75> so i can delete the files that i do not have permision to do
[02:31] <sub[t]rnl> oloughlin75➜ you trash is located in ~/.local/share/Trash
[02:31] <intelikey> oloughlin75 sure   the rm command will delete the junk.    sudo rm -r ~/.Trash       or where ever.
[02:31] <arcticpenguin380> does the mutiverse repo violate patents?
[02:31] <mefisto__> yasahiro: audacity can process audio quite easily if that's what you want to do
[02:31] <intelikey> oloughlin75 always be careful with sudo and rm togather   and note that -r is recursive.
[02:32] <oloughlin75> alrighty
[02:32] <arcticpenguin380> !mutiverse
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mutiverse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <coreymon77> !multiverse
[02:32] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:33] <intelikey> oloughlin75 if at any time unsure. use -i  for interactive mode
[02:33] <coreymon77> arcticpenguin380: its multiverse not mutiverse
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> arcticpenguin380➜ no, thats only restricted
[02:33] <oloughlin75> does that do step bystep yes or no?
[02:33] <intelikey> yes
[02:33] <intelikey> sudo rm -ir ~/.Trash    <<<< like that
[02:34] <oloughlin75> interactive nd recursive?
[02:34] <intelikey> yes
[02:36] <intelikey> oloughlin75 you do know about the "man" command ?
[02:37] <oloughlin75> manual?
[02:37] <intelikey> oloughlin75    man man
[02:37] <Dr_willis> man man
[02:37] <sd32> so i guess you do need a firewall  if ip tables allow all traffic by default
[02:37] <Dr_willis> L(
[02:37] <Dr_willis> Gotta love that.
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> man woman
[02:37] <oloughlin75> this is my 3rd day on linux lol
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> meh <_<
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75➜ you're doing good :)
[02:38] <oloughlin75> lots to learn
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> oh yes...
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> as long as you WANT to learn, you'll do fine
[02:39] <mefisto__> quite learnable though. and there's no rush
[02:40] <oloughlin75> do a lot of colleges require at least some programming for unix for CS?
[02:40] <Dr_willis> If you want to be  CS major   - I imagine you will want to learn Unix :)
[02:40] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ are you running a lot of services that are listening to the outside for tcp connections or something?  by default iptables allows traffic, but also by default ubuntu doesn't enable unnecessary services
[02:40] <intelikey> oloughlin75 that's why i pointed you at the man command.   anytime someone gives you a command to execute and you aren't familear with that command.    man command_name     to see what they are asking you to do   and what any --switches might be for.
[02:41] <Dr_willis> command --help or command -help    is handy also. :)
[02:41] <oloughlin75> oo, usually just do --help :)
[02:41]  * intelikey is a firm believer that ever linux installer should dumb the user in the "man man" befor allowing to install.
[02:41] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ or do you have a multiuser system that your wanting to restrict outgoing packets?
[02:41] <intelikey> Dr_willis yes most of the time it is.    and there are things that don't provide a man page too.
[02:42] <intelikey> i don't however like   info info    at all.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> info pages - are just sort of a better idea.. that never took off. :(
[02:43] <sd32> sub[t]rnl: no i was asking if you need a software firewall as well as a hardware firewall and sombody mentioned ip tables and was suprised to learn that ip tables allows all traffic by default
[02:43] <forto> so i booted the last kernel available in grub and /boot.. 2.6.20-16-generic.. now the nvidia kernel module does not load anymore and X is gone...
[02:43] <Dr_willis> most the info pages i see are just the man pages. :(
[02:43] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah with a worse interface.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> info2html :)
[02:44] <intelikey> only slightly better
[02:44] <forto> this is really nuts :(
[02:44] <Dr_willis> info2text | festival
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> forto➜ did you just update the kernel? and how did you install the nvidia driver?
[02:44] <intelikey> that would wotk
[02:44] <intelikey> work
[02:44] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ don't let it worry you.  If you start running a variety of services that open ports and listen for traffic, then its a good time to consider crafting your iptables.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> info  command | cowsay
[02:44] <forto> i just update to a broken kernel, yes
[02:45] <Dr_willis>  Hehheh.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> forto➜ you can use the previous one.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis➜ cowsay..lol
[02:45] <arcticpenguin380> will running low on filesystem space slow down read operations?
[02:45] <sd32> sub[t]rnl: no i just heard of the recient kernel exploit and got nervous
[02:45] <Dr_willis> fortune | figlet | cowsay
[02:45] <forto> nosrednaekim: i just booted the previous one.. now nvidia does not work anymore ..
[02:45] <Dr_willis> is fun.
[02:45] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ allowing all traffic is common, rather than denying everything and making the normal user specify port, udp/tcp, destination allowables.
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> forto➜ doesn't work in any kernel?
[02:46]  * intelikey never cared for fortune, 
[02:46] <forto> actually, this did not even help fix it :(
[02:46] <forto> nosrednaekim: well nvidia is not the actual problem..
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> yeah fortune is dumb.... now if they had one with bushisms....lol
[02:46] <sd32> sub[t]rnl: like windows..shame shame
[02:46] <forto> more, since i rebooted after the kernel upgrade, nothing works anymore
[02:46] <forto> even if i boot the older kernel..
[02:47] <forto> maybe it was not even the kernel.. grm
[02:47] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ hehe, whats like windows?
[02:47] <sd32> sub[t]rnl: allowing all traffic :-)
[02:48] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl your comment about allowing all traffic
[02:48] <intelikey> oh sorry. i'm slow
[02:48] <forto> what can cause this severe damage?! gnaaa
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> forto➜ how did you install the nvidia?
[02:48] <intelikey> WARNING slow intelikey at play.
[02:48] <forto> it's from the repositories..
[02:49] <forto> but nvidia is not my problem.. i
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> forto➜ ah,  well in the xorg.conf, switch the driver back to "nv"
[02:49] <forto> the problem is, that aptitude stopped working, a..
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> oh... what is?
[02:49] <forto> and that all applications stopped working
[02:49] <forto> (besides some textmode apps i'm using now)
[02:49] <intelikey> forto sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt-get install -f
[02:49] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ you realize its easy to change if you want right?
[02:50] <forto> dpkg/apt is fine :/
[02:50] <forto> has the new kernel update added something to sysctl?
[02:50] <sd32> sub[t]rnl: you kidding, i read the ip tables page
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ yeah, easy
[02:51] <sd32> how?
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> sd32➜ use a gui front end
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> firestarter, guarddog
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> one click and your iptables will change from accept to deny
[02:52] <sd32> ohh, that was what i was thinking
[02:52] <intelikey> everything i wanted to do with "firestarter, guarddog"  they were not designed to do... and provided no functionality for it.
[02:52] <CharonP1> ok, i think i see. I need only to set a partition boot-able that I may need to mount independently, correct?
[02:52] <intelikey> CharonP1 grub cares not if a partition is set bootable.
[02:52] <CharonP1> like if I wanted to mount the vmdk part. 3 in another os
[02:53] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ hahah why on earth use a gui front end to iptables if your looking for functionality
[02:53] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ just use iptables
[02:53] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl cause iptables is too Kreptic for me ?
[02:53] <sub[t]rnl> psh, lies
[02:53] <sd32> lol
 yeah, so the bootable flag is just for mounting the partition, not for booting the system then
[02:54] <intelikey> CharonP1 no.
[02:54] <sd32> pshaw
[02:54] <intelikey> CharonP1 the bootable flag is only for other bootloaders
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> intelikey➜ ah, nice 2 know
[02:55] <intelikey> namely M$ type boot loaders
 ok, because i noticed that a flash drive or a usb hdd won't mount unless it's flagged boot-able
[02:55] <intelikey> CharonP1 ???    in linux ?
[02:55] <CharonP1> yes
[02:55] <forto_> hmmm so this is what aptitude gives me: http://pastebin.ca/902039
[02:55] <CharonP1> i don't know about ubuntu but in opensuse
[02:56]  * intelikey grumbles i don't know what he's trying to mount it with....
[02:56] <forto_> this "Cannot allocate memory" looks suspicious
[02:56] <forto_> but what could cause this?!
[02:56] <intelikey> [sudo] mount /dev/<device_node> /<mountpoint>     and that's linux generic
[02:57] <forto_> everything worked just fine before i upgraded the kernel and did not reboot
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> forto_➜ doesn't apt-get work?
[02:58] <yasahiro> wow... thanks for answering my questions
[02:58] <forto_> konqueror, firefox, opera, konversation, ...etc all stopped working
[02:58] <yasahiro> it was so long ago too, sorry..
[02:58] <forto_> (konqueror starts but can't connect to the net)
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> yasahiro➜ you are welcome :)
[02:58] <forto_> firefox does not even start
[02:58] <forto_> aptitude is a console app that stopped working
[02:59] <yasahiro> umm.. .as for describe "bad"... umm... it sounds all muddy... no real bass to it, kinda like imitation bass or something..
[02:59] <forto_> and the strace output is readable
[02:59] <willluongo> Hello, I have looked online, but I haven't found anything. Does anyone know of a way to get my 8500GT working? On the live cd and after an install it does the same thing: boots up until X server starts, and then the monitor shuts off, and the computer stops responding.
 maybe just automount, havn't tried manually mounting
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> yasahiro➜ and yes, there is a way to rip with a bass boost
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> willluongo➜ gutsy?
[02:59] <yasahiro> well thats good, i have all the original cd's ^^
[02:59] <willluongo> 7.1
[03:00] <willluongo> so yes, I believe
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> willluongo➜ did you try safe graphics mode?
[03:00] <willluongo> Yep
[03:00] <intelikey> forto# sudo dpkg --configure -a ; sudo apt-get install -f
[03:00]  * forto_ cries
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> willluongo➜ does your video card have two outputs?
[03:00] <willluongo> Yes
[03:00] <forto_> intelikey: this does not help
[03:00] <intelikey> did you try it ?
[03:00] <yasahiro> how do you rip with a bass boost then? my headphones handle true bass really nicely...
[03:00] <willluongo> Nothing comes out of either of them, though
[03:00] <forto_> intelikey: sure
[03:00] <intelikey> did it give any error messages ??
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> willluongo➜ its probably......oh.
[03:01] <forto_> no
[03:01] <intelikey> ok.
[03:01] <cicero_123> rehello room
[03:01] <forto_> i suppose it's not the apt/dpkg db that is broken
[03:01] <willluongo> It works fine in windoze! :(
[03:01] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[03:01] <forto_> but something very very strange
[03:01] <forto_> like, it can't create enough threads
[03:01] <sd32> windoze..lol
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> willluongo➜ yeah.... did you try installing witht he alternate installer?
[03:02] <forto_> look at the pastebin..
[03:02] <cicero_123> it looks like i fouled the root up pretty bad for multimedia and playing cds and dvds so i am going to reinstall kubuntu. is there any recommendations before i do?
[03:02] <forto_> it says "not enough memory" "ThreadCreateException"
[03:02] <intelikey> yes i looked
[03:02] <willluongo> I don't think so
[03:02] <oloughlin75> is there a way to check the CPU temp?
[03:02] <forto_> though i have enough free (according to "free")
[03:02] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> cicero_123➜ yeah, make a separate home DIR, and don't mess areound with root
[03:02] <cicero_123> :D will do
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> cicero_123➜ erm...home partition
[03:03] <forto_> i don't get why this happened ...
[03:03] <cicero_123> nosrednaekim: um... how do i do that?
[03:03] <intelikey> lsb[tabkey] -a
[03:03] <npurciful> Integrated ATA100 and Serial ATA Controller
[03:03] <npurciful> 144,000,000GB [by 48 bits LBA Spec.]
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> cicero_123➜ in the installer, under manual partitioning, that way, you can install as many times as you want,and all your info is safe
[03:04] <cicero_123> during the install process go into manual partition, and install kubuntu twice?
[03:04] <forto_> i'm running 7.10/gutsy...
[03:04] <intelikey> is that what lsb-release says ?
[03:05] <sd32> what kernel we on now?
[03:05] <forto_> well actually the first line is "No LSB modules are available"
[03:05] <forto_> but yes, the other output clearly states 7.10/gutsy
[03:05] <intelikey> ok.
[03:06] <toothpick_> How do I enable /dev/kqemu ?
[03:06] <intelikey> ulimit -a   >>> pastebin that.
[03:06] <forto_> hehe fun to pastebin without gpm and elinks only :p just a moment
[03:07] <cicero_123> i will figure it out.  bbl. it takes about 45 minutes to install and update.
[03:07] <toothpick_> How do I enambe kqemu?
[03:07] <sd32> which kernel version are we up to?
[03:08] <intelikey> forto_ gpm not working ?     have curl installed ?  i can send you a script
[03:08] <forto_> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/902054
[03:08] <forto_> intelikey: yeah i can manage it... :)
[03:08] <forto_> just takes a bit more time ;)
[03:08] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d71ef895e
[03:10] <forto_> oh
[03:10] <forto_> this ulimit seems low
[03:10] <intelikey> i consider ""14. max user processes              (-u) 6143"" to be too high and dangerous   but it won't cause your issue.
[03:10] <forto_> as you say
[03:10] <forto_> hmmm
[03:10] <forto_> thanks i think i'm on the right trace ;)
[03:12] <intelikey> forto_ pam_tally --user $USER
[03:12] <intelikey> and check dmesg for anomilies too
[03:13] <forto_> yeah, already looked at dmesg .. it did not tell anything unusual
[03:13] <intelikey> k
[03:13] <forto_> hmm what should pam_tally say?
[03:14] <forto_> so my user has "0" and root has "3"
[03:15] <forto_> thanks for the help so far btw ;)
[03:16] <intelikey> i'm still concerned about that ld.so message     sudo ldconfig -v | less      and scan for oddities
[03:16] <intelikey> main test on pam was that it is tracking.   i wasn't really looking for a specific there, just that pam is not the problem.
[03:17] <mefisto__> what was the ld.so message? I had that yesterday, after reboot all was ok
[03:17] <intelikey> it's in the pastebin several times   missing file.
[03:18] <intelikey> "/etc/ld.so.nohwcap"
[03:18] <intelikey> makes me think that a lib may be hosed.
[03:19] <intelikey> "/etc/ld.so.preload" again no file.
[03:20] <Old-Athur> hi all!
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> hey Old-Athur
[03:20] <forto_> intelikey: could you compare a plain "strace aptitude" (as i did) to my pastebin please?
[03:20] <intelikey> apatude not installed here.  minimal system.
[03:20] <forto_> aye
[03:20] <intelikey> bash not even installed
[03:20] <forto_> hehe
[03:20] <Old-Athur> Which is the difference betwen the installation of a Kubuntu Cd and a Kubuntu DVD?
[03:21] <Old-Athur> **between, sorry
[03:21] <intelikey> Old-Athur more packages avalable on the disk and alternate installation methoods aval
[03:21] <Old-Athur> Ok
[03:21] <forto_> well feels kind of minimal too, chatting with 80x25 and only having elinks :)
[03:22] <intelikey> welcome to my world
[03:22] <mefisto__> intelikey: so there is no alternate install DVD? both methods are on the one disk?
[03:22] <intelikey> did the ldconfig say anything interesting ?
[03:22] <intelikey> mefisto__ that's how i understand it.
[03:22] <Old-Athur> I want a distro for a WorkStation, but the commond kubuntu cd does not have the drivers for the Wifi connection... I imagine that the DVD version should have more drivers...
[03:22] <NickPresta> mefisto__, there is a low spec. alternate installation CD. There is the regular desktop CD and then the desktop DVD.
[03:22] <forto_> not really, only suspicious is a missing libfakeroot
[03:22] <intelikey> mefisto__ someone can correct me if i'm wrong.
[03:23] <Old-Athur> Is it right?
[03:23] <forto_> but that would lead to obvious errors..
[03:23] <Old-Athur> intelikey, is that correct?
[03:23] <intelikey> Old-Athur that i can't answer.   maybe someone else can.
[03:23] <forto_> ok i'm trying some limit settings..
[03:23] <forto_> brb reboot
[03:24] <Old-Athur> Ok :)
[03:24] <intelikey> rebooting to change a ulimit ???
[03:24] <intelikey> forto is the same kind of expert i am.
[03:25] <intelikey> expert=depressureized drip
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> Old-Athur➜ the dvd does not have more drivers
[03:26] <Old-Athur> Ok, thanks
[03:26] <intelikey> nosrednaekim stands to reason.  but i could not confirm that.
[03:26] <intelikey> ty
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> Old-Athur➜ what wifi chip does it have?
[03:27] <Old-Athur> Could somebody recommend me a distro with more drivers (maybe one with a DVD install disk), I've tried with Ubuntu and Kubuntu for my WorkStation, but it cannot help me very much :(
[03:27] <Old-Athur> Sorry if the question is not the best for this channel :S
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> Old-Athur➜ all you need is ndiswrapper (which is on the CD) and the windows driver
[03:28] <intelikey> Old-Athur possably mandriva or suse   idk.
[03:28] <oloughlin75> Old-Athur➜PCLinuxOS has a little better out of the box support, but most will require at least some work
[03:28] <Old-Athur> Thanks :)
[03:29] <mike18> anyone familiar with getting ati video card to detect an hdtv in kubuntu?
[03:29] <intelikey> !ndiswrapper
[03:29] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:29] <mike18> i installed the ati drivers using Envy and the ATI Catalyst control center is now available, but it doesn't detect my hdtv
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75➜ ha... switched to sub[t]rnl and my arrow, eh?
[03:30] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim➜did it when i aske dyou how :)
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> later guys... getting late
[03:30] <sub[t]rnl> lates nosrednaekim
[03:30] <SpamInaCan> how do i get the latest firerfox beta 3 deb?
[03:30] <intelikey> oh is that â supposed to be an arrow ?
[03:31] <mefisto__> SpamInaCan: it should be in repos
[03:31] <oloughlin75> intelikey➜yeah, is it not?
[03:31] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ whats it look like on your client?
[03:31] <SpamInaCan> mefisto__, can i have it with my current firefox?, like firefox-beta?
[03:31] <oloughlin75> â?
[03:31] <intelikey> oloughlin75 not here.  non-utf8 console here
[03:32] <intelikey> looks like rafter A plus two squars
[03:32] <matt__> help!!!! I aciddently uninstalled "everything" for kde. I was trying the new kde4, and then after i tried it, uninstalled it, but accidently uninstalled kde3.5 as well. Right now it is working, but I'm afraid that rebooting will cause problems. I also can't run konsole, etc. If i can just get apt-gett working, i can install kubuntu-desktop. but the problem is...i believe apt-get uninstalled...
[03:32] <mefisto__> yes, it's firefox-3.0, and it will make a copy of any existing firefox profiles, so all your extensions and settings will be there (but many will not be compatible)
[03:32] <matt__> ...itself. is there anything i could do, or is reinstalling the best answer?
[03:32] <oloughlin75> intelikey➜ like -> ä??
[03:32] <SpamInaCan> mefisto__, how do i install it?
[03:33] <mefisto__> SpamInaCan: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[03:33] <SpamInaCan> E: Couldn't find package firefox-3.0
[03:33] <mefisto__> SpamInaCan: you might need to adjust your sources though
[03:33] <intelikey> matt__  ctrl+alt+f1   for a console    run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop     alt+f7 back to the gui
[03:34] <SpamInaCan> yeah... what source do i need (i am on 7.04)
[03:34] <sub[t]rnl> matt__➜ take a look at /var/log/dpkg.log if you want to know exactly what was uninstalled.
[03:34] <intelikey> oloughlin75 close   the squar is right.   :)
[03:34] <matt__> intelikey: i thought of trying that...but will it work, because i don't think apt-get is on here...but i'll give it a try.
[03:34] <SpamInaCan> i cant use 7.10 my laptop hates it..., sound and a few other things are messed up and no one cares to help me fix it.....
[03:34] <NickPresta> matt__, reinstall kubuntu-desktop (sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop). If that doesn't install everything back, look in /var/log/apt/term.log (kdesu kate /var/log/apt/term.log) and see what was uninstalled and reinstall it manually.
[03:34] <matt__> sub[t]rnl: pretty much everthing...for some reason.
[03:34] <NickPresta> and I'm late on the answer again :)
[03:34] <intelikey> matt__ if apt is not there.  you removed way too much.
[03:35] <mefisto__> SpamInaCan: it's in universe but that's in gutsy, not sure about feisty
[03:35] <NickPresta> SpamInaCan, if you explain your problems in detail, proving exact information about your system and the problems you're having, people can help you.
[03:35] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/getip
[03:35] <intelikey> and i might add had to enter "Yes, do as i say!"  to get it to remove....
[03:35] <SpamInaCan> i have all the repos enabled in 7.04....
[03:36] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ comments welcome
[03:36] <intelikey> looking.
[03:36] <sub[t]rnl> k, bbias, cig
[03:36] <Old-Athur> sorry nosrednaekim, I did not see your question about the chip... Anyhow, I don't know :S
[03:36] <matt__> to everyone that just told me to install kubuntu-desktop, or take a look in a var folder, it won't work, ok? i can't run dolphin, i can't run a konsole, i can't run apt-get. i can't do that stuff....
[03:36] <intelikey> mefisto__ what package is SpamInaCan looking for ?
[03:37] <SpamInaCan> intelikey, firefox 3
[03:37] <NickPresta> SpamInaCan, Package firefox-3.0 does not exist in feisty
[03:37] <SpamInaCan> :(
[03:37] <intelikey> !find firefox fiesty
[03:37] <SpamInaCan> i wish 7.10 wouldn't give me so many problems
[03:37] <dario> ci<o
[03:37] <matt__> i hit ctrl alt f1 all the way back to whatever the gui is, and none of those worked but the gui. if i reboot, i don't think anything will load.
[03:37] <ubotu> Found: firefox-themes-ubuntu, mozilla-firefox-locale-af, mozilla-firefox-locale-ar, mozilla-firefox-locale-be, mozilla-firefox-locale-bg-bg (and 71 others)
[03:37] <intelikey> list too long to check that way.
[03:37] <intelikey> !find firefox3 fiesty
[03:37] <matt__> if i hit alt+f2, i can't run konsole or yakuake or anthing i could use.
[03:38] <ubotu> Package/file firefox3 does not exist in gutsy
[03:38] <SpamInaCan> !find firefox-3.0
[03:38] <ubotu> Found: firefox-3.0, firefox-3.0-dev, firefox-3.0-dom-inspector, firefox-3.0-gnome-support, firefox-3.0-venkman
[03:38] <asdsadasd> matt__: you don't get a terminal if you hit ctrl-alt-f1?
[03:38] <SpamInaCan> :(
[03:38] <matt__> all i'm wondering is if there is a possible place i could download apt-get, through firefox, and place in somewhere
[03:38] <intelikey> matt__ unable to access the console ?
[03:38] <matt__> asdsadasd: no, just a completely black screen, trust me, i've used that all the time
[03:38] <matt__> intelikey: yes, yes, and yes
[03:39] <james296> can someone help me out with getting the audio from the radio stations on Amarok to play instead of giving a demux error thing?
[03:39] <intelikey> matt__ thing is,  if apt is not installed    how would you install it ?
[03:39] <sd32> adept shows firefox 3
[03:39] <intelikey> like duh!
[03:40] <frank32> matt__: I think a reinstall is pretty much your only option
[03:40] <SpamInaCan> is there a guide on how to compile firefox for idiots?
[03:40] <Old-Athur> Maybe it's not a problem related to the driver,,,, intelikey the wifi works well in the WK (workstation) if I use windows, but when I try with ubuntu I does not detect the connections... In a HP laptop it works well with ubuntu...
[03:40] <intelikey> matt__ i'm satisfied that apt is still there.    i'd sujest reboot and root with   nosplash vga=normal
[03:40] <matt__> intelikey: exactly...however i was considering this: if it is possible, and it doesn't need 4325145145 dependencies, i'm going to download the apt-get binary, place it to desktop, and run something using f2, like /home/matt/Desktop/apt-get install apt-get, if that makes sense
[03:40] <frank32> matt__: which package did you remove that pulled everything else?
[03:40] <matt__> frank kde4* amarok4*
[03:41] <intelikey> matt__ that should make the console avalable   and you should be able to install kubuntu-desktop via apt there.
[03:41] <matt__> frank32: it pulled kubuntu-desktop for some reason
[03:41] <frank32> matt__: oh... apt should still be there
[03:41] <matt__> frank32: how do i get it then?
[03:41] <intelikey> matt__ i'm satisfied that apt is still there.    i'd sujest reboot and root with   nosplash vga=normal
[03:41] <intelikey> matt__ that should make the console avalable   and you should be able to install kubuntu-desktop via apt there.
[03:41] <deuryte> WHOEVER IT WAS THAT HELPED ME THE OTHER DAY, BY SHOWING ME "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"  IT WORKED AND I DO THANK YOU.......
[03:41] <matt__> intelikey: k
[03:41] <Old-Athur> Maybe it's not a problem related to the driver,,,, intelikey the wifi works well in the WK (workstation) if I use windows, but when I try with ubuntu IT does not detect the connections... In a HP laptop it works well with ubuntu... <-- much easier to understood.... What can I cahnge to have internet...?
[03:41] <frank32> matt__: reboot should get you back to a terminal
[03:42] <intelikey> matt__ might have a live CD handy just incase tho...
[03:42] <oloughlin75> Old-Athur➜Ndiswrapper?
[03:43] <intelikey> Old-Athur i'm not the networking guy.   i'm the console minimalest idiot.
[03:43] <james296> can someone help me out with getting the audio from the radio stations on Amarok to play instead of giving a demux error thing?
[03:43] <frank32> james296: If you try a second the same station does it work? there is a bug regarding that
[03:44] <frank32> james296: If you try a second time*
[03:44] <james296> willing to dress me up as a girl?
[03:44] <Old-Athur> Jajajaja, ok!!
[03:44] <Old-Athur> Can someone else help me, plase?
[03:44] <oloughlin75> !ndiswrapper | Old-Athur
[03:44] <ubotu> Old-Athur: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:45] <Old-Athur> (Jajaja=Hahaha)
[03:45] <Old-Athur> Thanks oloughlin75 and thanks ubotu xD
[03:45] <oloughlin75> no problema
[03:46] <james296> guess what, your right, it worked
[03:46] <james296> weird...
[03:47] <mefisto__> so do you need to try each station twice? or is it just the first try that fails?
[03:47] <james296> the first try failed
[03:47] <james296> now every time I try to launch a station it works
[03:47] <james296> even though its not the same station
[03:47] <frank32> james296: mefisto__not sure but there is a bug somewhere that has been fixed upstream. or so I've heard
[03:52] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d89e8d3b <<< i only reformated it to make it more readable.    looks good though.
[03:53] <sub[t]rnl> good deal
[03:54] <Old-Athur> I've to go. Thanks all. Bye bye
[03:54] <illriginal> Can anyone help me install Kompozer?
[03:55] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, I don't know how fast grep is compared to text being piped to awk and sed, but this works: wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org | grep -oE '[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+\.[0-9]+'
[03:56] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta➜ nice, less pipes = better imho
[03:56] <NickPresta> :)
[03:56] <sub[t]rnl> tx
[03:56] <mefisto__> illriginal: what's the problem?
[03:56] <illriginal> i do a search for it after i put this into my source list: deb [WWW] http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu feisty universe
[03:57] <illriginal> and it's still not showin the file (kompozer
[03:57] <oloughlin75> NickPresta➜Whats that actually do?
[03:58] <SpamInaCan> can i get the .mozconf file for building firefox beta 3?
[03:59] <BluesKaj> suddenly we have all these arrows ...is this becoming a one way street ?  : )
[03:59] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, gets your IP from a website and weeds out ugly HTML.
[03:59] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl if i were to change anything it would only be adding some quotes  and maybe a help switch.   nothing more.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3c8553f0       but like i said looks good as is.
[03:59] <oloughlin75> oo, couldnt tell :/
[03:59] <illriginal> nevermind mefisto_ i got it
[03:59]  * intelikey likes --help switches in scripts
[04:00] <NickPresta> intelikey, indeed.
[04:00] <mefisto__> illriginal: you found it in that repo?
[04:01] <illriginal> yeo :P
[04:01] <illriginal> yep*
[04:01] <illriginal> hopefully it shows up in my menu after installation
[04:02] <illriginal> sweet, it's ready to go :D
[04:03]  * intelikey never leaves well enough alone.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d585b10d6  
[04:04] <mefisto__> does adept have a history function? I think synaptic does
[04:05] <intelikey> ooops   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d289877a3   missed one #
[04:05] <BluesKaj> mefisto__, yes
[04:06] <BluesKaj> err adept just shows the last installs
[04:06] <mefisto__> BluesKaj: I can't find it
[04:07] <mefisto__> ok that's what I thought
[04:08] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ seems that the $0 isn't pulling the script name.  Getting a syntax error
[04:08] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ i've heard that $0 isn't reliable, just can't see the error
[04:09] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ wait.. nm
[04:10] <cprmpt> How do I limit how much bandwidth kubuntu uses?  I'm on a rather small pipe and I dont want to force other people off of the network
[04:11] <MrJoey> cprmpt>  I know you can do it with wget (a command-line webpage getter)
[04:11] <cprmpt> well im sort of looking to limit apt
[04:11] <MrJoey> That's useful unless you're doing something more than simply downloading a file
[04:11] <MrJoey> oh
[04:13] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl $0 should always return the name of the script.    but i'm finding a formating issue with your $IP var   seems to contain some strange chars.   let me play with it a little.
[04:15] <stratman4300> anyone experience issues with kernel update today??
[04:19] <maduser> no
[04:19] <MrJoey> cprmpt> A really hackish way of going about it is to:  mv /usr/bin/wget /usr/bin/wget_bin ; echo 'wget --limit-rate=20k $*' > /usr/bin/wget ; chmod 755 /usr/bin/wget
[04:20] <MrJoey> Be careful with that, it moves and then writes to the file 'wget', so if you're not careful, it wil remove wget and screw up stuff
[04:20] <cprmpt> yeah, I think ill just wait for the other parties using my pipe to fall asleep :)
[04:20] <MrJoey> I'm assuming that apt-get internally uses wget to download stuff
[04:20] <MrJoey> okay
[04:20] <maduser> wgeting debs
[04:20] <MrJoey> I was about to say that :)
[04:21] <maduser> what differentiates a deb from an rpm?
[04:21] <cprmpt> good from evil
[04:21] <maduser> they like do the same thing
[04:21] <anon32> maduser, internal format
[04:21] <MrJoey> A deb is a Debian/Ubuntu/debian-based package format
[04:21] <anon32> take a few apart with, say, 7-Zip
[04:22] <maduser> k
[04:22] <MrJoey> An rpm is a Red Hat/Fedora/... package format
[04:22] <maduser> and yum?
[04:23] <MrJoey> Yum is a package manager that typically uses rpm
[04:23] <MrJoey> There are other configurations (for instance, Fedora users can use apt and rpms instead of yum and rpms)
[04:23] <maduser> can't kubuntu use all three?
[04:24] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, I have also added an addition to the script (Which checks if Klipper is actually running).  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=m7f70462e
[04:24] <MrJoey> Well, there's alien, but the problem is that different packages are meant to be used for different distros
[04:25] <MrJoey> If you install a .rpm on Kubuntu, you may run into problems because the RPM wasn't designed for Kubuntu
[04:25] <maduser> ah
[04:25] <anon32> it will probably not work (tm)
[04:25] <anon32> unless it's not binary
[04:25] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta➜ k, excellent.  nice one with the -o switch on grep.  Makes more sense than me trying to hack out everything around my pattern :>
[04:26] <NickPresta> :)
[04:27] <sub[t]rnl> NickPresta➜ klipper=`klipper 2>&-` worked, the dcop klipper didn't
[04:28] <engstad> Trying out KDE4, what happened with knetworkmanager? I seem to always start it with ALT+F2 knetworkmanager now.
[04:29] <stdin> engstad: there is no KDE4 version of knetworkmanager (yet), so you have to start the KDE3 version
[04:30] <snarkster> hm mmine works
[04:30] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, this is what happens for me: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d10e52f0b. If I replace `dcop klipper` with just `klipper`, the script hangs. *shrugs* Strange.
[04:30] <snarkster> ah but it is 3.5.8
[04:31] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[04:32] <sub[t]rnl> need to have it echo the ip regardless of klipper then
[04:32] <snarkster> !mldonkey
[04:32] <ubotu> mldonkey is a peer-to-peer filesharing engine supporting several networks and protocols, available in !Universe as 'mldonkey-server'. Clients include mkdonkey-gui (GTK) and KMLDonkey (KDE). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MLDonkey - See also !P2P
[04:32] <mefisto__> about k/ubuntu livecds: do they remain static, or will a newer one contain newer updated packages?
[04:34] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6292bb14 :)
[04:34] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, already fixed.
[04:36] <sub[t]rnl> welp, that baby grew like a weed.  thanks nickp and intel
[04:36] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[04:37] <NickPresta> heh
[04:37] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl mind if i edit ?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d304c16cf
[04:37] <sub[t]rnl> not at all
[04:37] <sub[t]rnl> http://subtrnl.homelinux.com/getip this is what we've got so far, sec, checking yours
[04:38] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, just so you know, if you have bind9-host installed, it `checkip` will give wonky results. I had to install the 'host' package (and remove 'bind9-host'
[04:38] <sub[t]rnl> kk
[04:40] <NickPresta> well, I'm heading off to sleep. Early morning tomorrow. Goodnight all.
[04:40] <sub[t]rnl> g'night
[04:40] <intelikey> yean wget -q -O - http://checkip.dyndns.org   works as well or maybe a little weller than curl for that.
[04:41] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ yup, i don't think curl is included by default either
[04:41] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4a95b1b5 << same thing with wget
[04:42] <vglug> can anyone help me to configure sound on kubuntu 7.10
[04:42] <intelikey> and at any rate.  after the formatting issue is worked out.   i'll still say what i said the first time.   looks good to me.
[04:43] <sub[t]rnl> *pant*
[04:43] <SpamInaCan> can i install vista without screwing up grub?
[04:43] <intelikey> SpamInaCan prolly not
[04:43] <intelikey> !grub | SpamInaCan
[04:43] <ubotu> SpamInaCan: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:44] <sub[t]rnl> !sound | vglug take note to the troubleshooting link.
[04:44] <ubotu> vglug take note to the troubleshooting link.: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:47] <vglug> there sint any soundsystem subdivison in my menu
[04:48] <SpamInaCan> how come when i put my vista cd in it just has a text file that says "This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification."
[04:56] <vglug> how to find the sound module in the kmenu
 there isnt any sound system in my system settings
[04:57] <vglug> is there any different way to find it out
[04:58] <intelikey> lspci    or   lshw -C audio
[04:59] <intelikey> sorry lshw -C MULTIMEDIA
[05:00] <intelikey> lspci | grep -i MULTIMEDIA
[05:00] <intelikey> i like the lshw better.  but that's just me.
[05:06] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl i only slightly ammended a script that i already had and added some of your code.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4e8996c8
[05:07]  * intelikey also likes the "keep it simple stupid" approach.
[05:09] <intelikey> vglug does    cat /proc/asound/cards     tell you anything ?
[05:09] <intelikey> never mind.
[05:13] <intelikey> vglug does    cat /proc/asound/cards     tell you anything ?
[05:19] <Cicero_123> reHello room
[05:20] <intelikey> mush
[05:21] <Cicero_123> everything is reinstalled but i had the same problem. the system froze up during install, and i had to manually shut off the computer. the apt-get updater doesnt work. when i click it it sez there is a conflict and that it is already running. how do i fix it?
[05:21] <Level15> Cicero_123: if installer crashes, try text mode install
[05:22] <Cicero_123> Level15: text mode install? is it on the install menu of the install disk?
[05:23] <Cicero_123> doh
[05:23] <intelikey> !alternateinstall
[05:23] <intelikey> !alternate
[05:23] <ubotu> The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode installation CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD.  It can also be used as an upgrade CD. - See also !minimal
[05:24] <intelikey> !dvd
[05:24] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:25] <intelikey> !minimal | intelikey takse the bot's advice and sees !minimal
[05:25] <ubotu> intelikey takse the bot's advice and sees !minimal: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:26] <Kdomn37> hi, can somebody perhaps point me in the direction of some information on how i patch the kernel?
[05:27] <intelikey> kernel.org
[05:27] <Kdomn37> really?
[05:27] <intelikey> worth a shot
[05:30] <aparnab> hey i need some help anybody there
[05:32] <intelikey> Kdomn37 http://kernel.org/faq/#kernelbuild
[05:32] <mefisto__> everybody's there
[05:32] <intelikey> aparnab nope.
[05:33] <Cicero_123> reHello. last this happened someone had some sudo commands that fixed the problem. i do not want to spend another three hours reinstalling kubuntu. does anyone know the commands to get apt-get to shut off and stop conflicting with itself?
[05:34] <intelikey> !adeptcrash
[05:34] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:34] <Cicero_123> thats it! :)
[05:35] <intelikey> your only about the fourty quentillionenth person to ask that.
[05:35] <Cicero_123> thanx. :)
[05:35] <Cicero_123> one more question... how do i access !terminal
[05:36] <Cicero_123> is it the same as konsole?
[05:36]  * Thecks nods.
[05:36] <intelikey> it's called konsole    either alt+f2 and type konsole   or in the kmenu system
[05:37] <Cicero_123> intelikey: thanx. :)  this is my 5th day using kubuntu linux from win2k and even though i goofed up and wrecked the first install by playing around in root, i really like kde.
[05:38] <intelikey> Cicero_123 you'll form a liengthy list of "dont ever do this's"   but yes we love FOSS
[05:38] <intelikey> foss = free open source software.
[05:40] <intelikey> Cicero_123 one main thing to remember while learning.   if it requires root/sudo learn what the command does before you issue it.
[05:40] <intelikey> Cicero_123 and the linux users must know is      man man   <<< type that in a konsole  and learn about the man command.
[05:41] <intelikey> aside from that.  welcome to linux.
[05:43] <mefisto__> Cicero_123: and have you ever wrecked a windows system by playing around as administrator (ie default windows user)?
[05:45] <tantalus_> hey can anyone tell me how i can access other irc channels?
[05:45] <intelikey> /join #blah
[05:45] <tantalus_> and the list of channels?
[05:45] <tantalus_> google?
[05:45] <intelikey> /list   but dont do that.
[05:46] <intelikey> it's been known to flood people off the server.
[05:46] <tantalus_> ok
[05:46] <mefisto__> if you're using konversation, you can get to it from the Window menu too
[05:46] <tantalus_> i am using konversation
[05:47] <intelikey> tantalus_ a lot of the time i just join and if the channel isn't there i'm the only one in it...
[05:47] <intelikey> easy enough to /part #blah  on empty channels.
[05:47] <tantalus_> you just guess the name? i've never used irc
[05:47] <mefisto__> hey, you can open a konsole session in konversation
[05:48] <intelikey> tantalus_ lot of the time   yes.
[05:48] <lengau> mefisto__ how?
[05:48] <lengau> OOH!
[05:48] <mefisto__> lengau: window menu
[05:48] <lengau> NIFTY!
[05:48] <intelikey> mefisto__ i use me irc client as a shell when needed.   /exec blah
[05:49] <tantalus_> it's the same as just using a terminal?
[05:49] <intelikey> heh   /exec -o ls -l /bin/sh
[05:49] <mefisto__> intelikey: so that's a standard thing in irc clients?
[05:49] <lengau> Great... now I've got even less reason to leave konversation...
[05:49] <intelikey> the -o makes it output to the channel.  else it is only seen by you.
[05:49] <tantalus_> ah
[05:49] <intelikey> mefisto__ yes
[05:50] <tantalus_> wow
[05:51] <intelikey> also it's normal for   /help   to give you a list of slash commands avalable
[06:02] <Agent_bob> oh woops i don't think i have a kernel installed either...
[06:03] <Agent_bob> i suspose that that could be problematic while installing lilo ....
[06:04] <Agent_bob> is it this quiet in #ubuntu too ?    if so i'll go troll that channel a while.
[06:04] <maduser> its always quiet
[06:04] <maduser> a night
[06:05] <Agent_bob> no not in here it's not.     and it's only night on one side of the globe
[06:05] <maduser> and where are you?
[06:05] <Agent_bob> localhost
[06:05] <Agent_bob> :)
[06:05] <Agent_bob> where are you ?
[06:06] <maduser> US
[06:06] <maduser> your in dalls
[06:06] <maduser> dallas
[06:07] <Agent_bob> no  but that hardly matters.
[06:07] <maduser> oh you gots an apache server
[06:07] <maduser> cheeorke
[06:08] <Agent_bob> heh  cherokee
[06:08] <maduser> that
[06:08] <maduser> wow your site is slow
[06:08] <feedthe5000> helllo
[06:09] <feedthe5000> hello
[06:09] <maduser> you should get xampp
[06:09] <maduser> hi
[06:10] <prince_jammys> hey
[06:10] <feedthe5000> after adding the download source.list do I just select everything to install kde4?
[06:10] <maduser> wait awhile before you get it
[06:10] <feedthe5000> that unstable?
[06:10] <maduser> yeah
[06:10] <cleansweep> I'm sorry... asked this a moment ago but I'm not sure it went through. Konverstation completely froze my computer after the network failed. Does anybody know the licenses for Compiz Fusion and the Emerald Window Decorator? Their websites don't seem to mention them.
[06:11] <feedthe5000> do you know when the final version might come out?
[06:11] <maduser> licenses?
[06:11] <maduser> get with with the next version of kubuntu
[06:11] <cleansweep> are they GPL v2? etc.
[06:12] <feedthe5000> thanks i appreciate it
[06:12] <Agent_bob> licenses are stored in /usr/share/common-licenses/
[06:12] <plantain> Hey, my Wifi (ipw2200) just sits on "Configuring Device". What could I be doing wrong?
[06:12] <prince_jammys> yeah just search for it in /usr/share
[06:13] <cleansweep> thanks
[06:13] <Agent_bob> !wifi | plantain possably this can help
[06:13] <ubotu> plantain possably this can help: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:13] <maduser> nidiswrapper
[06:15] <stdin> cleansweep: anything in main or universe has to be "Free", usually that's GPL. If you have them installed the licence will be in /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright
[06:16] <prince_jammys> this worked: find /usr/share/ -iname 'copyright' | grep compiz
[06:16] <Daisuke_Ido> main is officially supported, universe is community supported
[06:17] <cleansweep> thanks, princce
[06:17] <prince_jammys> np
[06:17] <prince_jammys> any excuse to grep
[06:19] <plantain> Agent_bob: I can't find anything in there relating to my problem :'(
[06:20] <Agent_bob> irc lingo is so different.     bandade = assistant that is not allowed to join the channel...
[06:21] <brandon_> problem here....
[06:22] <plantain> oh well, I guess I'll try a reboot :S
[06:22] <brandon_> I was installing the restricted repositories for kubuntu and accidently exited out of adept and now i can't seem to completly uninstall it and my mp3 support won't work for amarok
[06:22] <brandon_> i think i need to delete the files that I d/l so that I can reinstall them but when I try and remove it doesn't actually delete the packages
[06:23] <prince_jammys> brandon: yeah i had that problem, but i don't remember how i fixed it
[06:23] <Agent_bob> brandon_ apt-get clean
[06:23] <prince_jammys> brandon: i think i backed up the files and deleted them, like you said
[06:24] <prince_jammys> cuz i did it with aptitude, which made a mess
[06:25] <brandon_> agent what all will that delete?
[06:25] <brandon_> everything or just what is broken?
[06:26] <prince_jammys> man apt-get | grep clean
[06:27] <Agent_bob> pipe man through grep ?????     why not just use the search feature in less and see the whole text ?
[06:27] <Agent_bob> man less
[06:27] <prince_jammys> that too
[06:28] <prince_jammys> i just use it to only see the snippet i want
[06:29] <prince_jammys> usually with -A 4 or something like that, but the above worked
[06:31] <prince_jammys> yeah better is man apt-get | grep -A 4 clean
[06:34] <Agent_bob> well what did i miss in here while i trolled #ubuntu ?
[06:34] <prince_jammys> not much
[06:34] <maduser> not person with cherokee server
[06:35] <Agent_bob> maduser you still hung up on my webserver ?
[06:35] <maduser> whys the server so slow, you have comcast
[06:35] <Agent_bob> i have dialup
[06:35] <maduser> oh
[06:35] <maduser> well then....
[06:35] <maduser> get dsl
[06:35] <maduser> or fios
[06:35] <maduser> but it is really cheep
[06:36] <Agent_bob> you buy it.  i'll run it.     else i'll use dialup cause i'm cheep.
[06:36] <brandon_> << noob here
[06:36] <brandon_> I'm still having trouble cleaning up the kubuntu-restricted-respository
[06:36] <brandon_> those commands didn't seem to work because...
[06:37] <brandon_> oh jeez i answered my own question
[06:37] <brandon_> lol
[06:37] <prince_jammys> there's a folder somewhere called "partial"
[06:37] <prince_jammys> the solution has to do with that, but i don't remember what it is
[06:38] <Agent_bob> brandon_ sudo dpkg --configure -a ;sudo apt-get clean ;sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get install -f
[06:38] <Agent_bob> close adept and run that  ^     then open adept and viola
[06:42] <brandon_> thanks agent i'll try
 Vista is thwarting me.  All I want to do is use Windows Media player to open a movie which is stored on a network drive.  I can do this easily in VLC.   In WIn Media Player, the simple has become extremely difficult.
[06:42] <CharonP1> does kubuntu set a default root password? because the install never asked me for one, and I cannot authen. su
[06:42] <maduser> your the root
[06:42] <brandon_> i just wiped windows and i have about a total of 2 weeks of experience with linux but I like it so far
[06:42] <Agent_bob> CharonP1 no. it doesn't set any root password.
[06:42] <maduser> in kubutu for some reason the defult user is the root
[06:43] <stdin> !sudo | CharonP1 (use "sudo -i" to get a root shell)
[06:43] <ubotu> CharonP1 (use "sudo -i" to get a root shell): sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[06:43] <maduser> your passwors is the root by defult
[06:43] <CharonP1> so the password is nothing
[06:43] <Agent_bob> maduser no.
[06:43] <CharonP1> i dont use sudo, I use su
[06:43] <Agent_bob> maduser the default user is "root jr." but that's not root.
[06:44] <maduser> thats close enogh
[06:44] <Daisuke_Ido> !root | CharonP1
[06:44] <ubotu> CharonP1: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:44] <Agent_bob> maduser that's becuase the message is incorrect.  it should inform you that it's using kdesudo   but it doesn't
[06:44] <stdin> CharonP1: why don't you use sudo, what's the reason?
[06:44] <maduser> that makes sense
[06:45] <Agent_bob> CharonP1 sudo su -   if you want to use su
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> even that's not recommended
[06:45] <stdin> but that's caused 2 PAM requests, overhead
[06:45] <stdin> sudo (auth 1), su - (auth 2)
[06:45] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido but reaches the desired end.
[06:46] <CharonP1> because su is an easy way to get root terminal without opening root terminal then I can go back to user via exit
[06:46] <stdin> sudo -i (only one auth)
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> if you're doing so much as a root user, maybe ubuntu isn't the distro for you.  and if you're new to linux, you shouldn't be touching the root account anyway without knowing exactly WHAT you're doing, and why you're doing it
[06:46] <Agent_bob> stdin i know that.   but he wants to use su.   so i gave him an easy way.
[06:46] <stdin> CharonP1: and that's exactly what sudo -i gives
[06:47] <Agent_bob> maybe he likes the su log
 ok, I'll just have to make an alias="sudo -i" thanks
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> (or implicitly trusting someone else that's giving you instructions)
[06:47] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: also possible
[06:48] <Agent_bob> one never knows whys someone else makes a specific request.
[06:48] <CharonP1> or <Agent_bob> i mean
[06:48] <prince_jammys> what's wrong with su?
[06:48] <stdin> /var/log/auth.log logs all sudo requests ;)
[06:49] <Agent_bob> prince_jammys nothing.  nothing wrong with sudo either.
[06:49] <Agent_bob> prince_jammys it's all about preferances.
[06:49] <Daisuke_Ido> but you have to go common denominator around here :)  people demanding root access are either a) not ubuntu's target audience and would be better served by another distro, or b) a completely new linux user who believes that root is the best way to run (a la windows)
[06:49] <prince_jammys> that's what i thought
[06:49] <CharonP1> actually, I use su a lot
[06:50] <prince_jammys> Daisuke why do you say that?
[06:50] <stdin> I only use sudo su to login to another (non-root) users account
[06:50] <prince_jammys> why is ubuntu not for root users?
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> prince_jammys: that in no way covers every possibility
[06:50] <CharonP1> however, at this current moment, I am just trying to cp a .jpg to /usr/share/wallpapers
[06:50]  * Agent_bob is absolutely not ubuntu's target audience!
[06:51]  * Agent_bob is covered by it.
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> that was worded poorly, but i don't really know how to clear it up
[06:51] <stdin> CharonP1: "sudo cp source dest", you only need one command
[06:51] <prince_jammys> ubuntu's pretty flexible
[06:51] <prince_jammys> you can run gui apps if you want, you can hack if you want
[06:51] <stdin> rather than, su -; cp source dest;exit
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu is flexible, but not gentoo flexible
[06:51] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido no. it's not poorly worded.  it makes good sense.
[06:51] <prince_jammys> oh i've never used gentoo
[06:51] <CharonP1> what is ubuntus target audience?
[06:51] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu is for the user that just wants to get things done
[06:52] <stdin> Human Beings ;)
[06:52] <CharonP1> I always thought of linux as a power users system
[06:52] <prince_jammys> apparently gui users
[06:52] <Daisuke_Ido> CharonP1: linux is a kernel
[06:52] <prince_jammys> the "human beings" thing i think is pretty silly
[06:52] <CharonP1> sorry gnu linux
[06:52] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's becoming more and more a desktop OS
[06:52] <prince_jammys> implication i guess is that other linuxes are for freaks
[06:53] <CharonP1> * gnu/linux
[06:53] <Agent_bob> prince_jammys i see im not the only one that noticed that.
[06:53] <stdin> prince_jammys: means general people, not necessarily the tech elite
[06:53] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu is aimed at people who want to use their computers to work, not work on their computers
[06:53] <stdin> although the tech elite are people too :)
[06:53] <prince_jammys> yeah well that's not what "human beings" means
[06:53] <prince_jammys> right
[06:53] <Daisuke_Ido> but yes, it is flexible enough to accomodate everyone else
[06:53] <Agent_bob> Daisuke_Ido not
[06:53] <CharonP1> I'm a person
[06:53] <prince_jammys> me too, i thin
[06:53] <prince_jammys> k
[06:53] <CharonP1> who like the su command
[06:53] <sub[t]rnl> i'm not
[06:54] <prince_jammys> i think it's a bad slogan
 ubuntu is aimed at people who want to use their computers to work, not work on their computers <<<< if that were remotely true.  all the compiz eyecandy would not be in gutsy
[06:54] <CharonP1> my first distro was ubuntu
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> Agent_bob: the phrase refers to people using their computers rather than tinkering endlessly
[06:54] <CharonP1> but I've since traveled through many distro's
[06:54] <stdin> sudo is much more flexible that su, you don't have to give out your root pass to admins and you can control exactly what commands any particular user/group can run
[06:54] <stdin> sudo is su++
[06:55] <Agent_bob> lol
[06:55] <Daisuke_Ido> stdin: with polymorphism and inheritance?
[06:55] <Agent_bob> stdin only if configured    the default ubuntu /etc/sudoers makes sudo su--
[06:55] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: if you look at the sudo config file it looks like it :p it even has "classes"
[06:55] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe
[06:56] <prince_jammys> i thought that su was just like sudo, only for multiple commands, ie a mini-session
[06:56] <CharonP1> I think I got used to su in debian
[06:56] <prince_jammys> i'll read up on it
[06:56] <stdin> Agent_bob: if you're the type to stick to defaults then you aren't the type that wants/needs extra functions/configuration ;)
[06:57] <prince_jammys> right, a human being
[06:57] <CharonP1> because when I moved to debian i was unable to figure out how to add myself to the sudoers list
[06:57] <Agent_bob> stdin i'm the type that runs a nosuid system   remember?
[06:57] <prince_jammys> in other words
[06:57] <Agent_bob> i.e. su and sudo are worthless here.
[06:57] <stdin> Agent_bob: yeah, but you're über 1337 :)
[06:58] <Agent_bob> oh be nice.  no need to be insulting.   i can take a hint.
[06:58] <brandon_> alright i've done all the steps that you guys told me for the amarok problem and no dice ...can I manually get to the files that i d/l and delete the mp3 ones myself?
[06:58] <prince_jammys> is there a fast way to prefix who you are responding to here? i've never used irc before
[06:58] <brandon_> so that it will d/l the package again and install it?
[06:58] <stdin> Agent_bob: not an insult, it's a comment if anything
[06:58] <Agent_bob> ;/
[06:58] <stdin> !tab
[06:58] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[06:59] <stdin> everyone loves <tab> !
[06:59] <prince_jammys> stdin: ah
[06:59] <Cicero_123> reHello room
[06:59] <prince_jammys> thanks
[06:59] <Agent_bob> i use [tab] almost as much as [backspace]
[07:00] <prince_jammys> Agent_bob: i will too
[07:00] <prince_jammys> big fan of tab
[07:00] <prince_jammys> horrible typist
[07:01] <Cicero_123> i cant get dvdś to play. i get the error "no plugin found to handle this resource (dvd:///dev/hdd). What should i do?
[07:01] <Cicero_123> *dvd's
[07:02] <prince_jammys> there's a library you need
[07:02]  * Cicero_123 rummages around for his library card... :)
[07:02] <stdin> have you installed libdvdnav4, libdvdread3 and possibly libdvdcss2 (from medibuntu) ?
[07:02] <prince_jammys> oh no, the kaffeine plugin or something
[07:02] <prince_jammys> i went through that
[07:03] <prince_jammys> there you go, stdin knows
[07:03] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: no, i just started using linux/kubuntu a few days ago.
[07:03] <Agent_bob> !medibuntu
[07:03] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[07:03] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: new reinstall after i messed up when playing in root. i wont do that anytime soon.
[07:03] <Cicero_123> ic.
[07:04] <Cicero_123> thanx for the info.
[07:05] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: looks like kubuntu-restricted-extras might have it
[07:06] <stdin> it should have everything except libdvdcss
[07:06] <prince_jammys> stdin: apt-cache doesn't show that for me, but shows libdvdread3
[07:07] <prince_jammys> when i search
[07:07] <stdin> libdvdcss2 isn't in the ubuntu archives, for legal reasons
[07:07] <prince_jammys> oh right
[07:07] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: the instructions look complicated. i assume that the commands are to be run in Konsole?
[07:08] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: yeah you can try "sudo apt-get kubuntu-restricted-extras" first and see
[07:09] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: k. am doing now.
[07:09] <prince_jammys> was it already installed?
[07:10] <Cicero_123> invaliid operation
[07:10] <prince_jammys> how come?
[07:10] <stdin> * "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras"
[07:10] <stdin> (missing "install")
[07:11] <prince_jammys> oh right
[07:11] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: wow. lots of options
[07:11] <prince_jammys> try what stdin wrote
[07:11] <prince_jammys> apt-get install
[07:11] <Cicero_123> actually one option, yes or no, but a lot of unpacking. :)
[07:12] <prince_jammys> you're on kde, right?
[07:12] <prince_jammys> meaning your desktop is kde
[07:12] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: yes. 5th day using linux/kubuntu.
[07:12] <prince_jammys> ok
[07:13] <Cicero_123> my system cant handle vista, and i dont like xp, and win2k is getting old.
[07:13] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: have you tried playing an mp3 file?
[07:13] <Agent_bob> win2k was old when they wrote it.
[07:13] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: no, just dvd and data cd's
[07:14] <ForgeAus> I've decided to reinstall my AndLinux
[07:14] <ForgeAus> and toy with a few things to find out why it died
[07:14] <ForgeAus> so that I can reinstall it and avoid doing that for next time
[07:15] <Agent_bob> ForgeAus lessons by the try it and reformat methood !
[07:15] <ForgeAus> Agent, yeah problem was I did so many updates to it I didn't really feel like starting again from scratch
[07:15] <ForgeAus> nothing good about downloading the same stuff a second time
[07:16] <Agent_bob> i'll second that motion
[07:16] <Agent_bob> dialup dictates that you only dl the updates one time.
[07:16] <Cicero_123> i dont know why i didnt switch sooner. it's a steep learning curve, but the system is great, and unassuming... i  like that.
[07:16] <ForgeAus> and it might help me move on with my other Kuubntu installs
[07:17] <ForgeAus> Cicero :) you didn't know what you were missing?
[07:17] <Agent_bob> Cicero_123 unassuming and ubuntu don't even beling in the same post.    you have never tried a realy unassuming linux system.
[07:18] <Agent_bob> belong even
[07:18] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: so after you're done you're still gonna need the libdvdcss2 package
[07:19] <prince_jammys> and then you'll be set
[07:19] <Cicero_123> unassuming as in it doesnt assume that dont really want to do something that i do. or assume that i want my word processor set up a certain way and makeme search for hours on how to undo the automatic settings.
[07:19] <maman> linux
[07:20] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: i have a blue and grey screen in konsole, that looks like a java user agreement, and the screen is stuck.
[07:20] <Lynoure> Cicero_123: some distroes don't even assume you want xserver, let alone that you want kde
[07:21] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: mmm
[07:21] <Agent_bob> or that you want want to mount anything in /media   or that you want a splash screen at boot time.....
[07:21] <stdin> Cicero_123: use Page Down to move and use tab and enter to press the option to show you agree
[07:22] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: thanx.
[07:23] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: i see sun is still a stickler for fine print...
[07:23] <prince_jammys> you mean stdin
[07:24] <prince_jammys> i just installed it myself
[07:24] <prince_jammys> turns out i didn't have it - i don't play dvds on this machine, but i have a player
[07:24] <Cicero_123> Agent_bob: but i like that. only what i want running when i want it running. if i can get it running. :)
[07:24] <ahron> what deliniation?
[07:25] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: nice thing about ubuntu is you get a kick start by having everything installed by default, and as you learn you can change everything around
[07:25] <Agent_bob> Cicero_123 heh.  yeah  that's why i've often said  "default = the starting point on the long road to right"
[07:26] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123:  then you can mount stuff wherever you want, mess with configs of whatever you want -- but at least it's done for you at the beginning
[07:26] <Cicero_123> ForgeAus: yeah. lol. didnt know what i was  missing. if i need to know i can look it up eventually. :)
[07:27] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: how do i tell if it is finished?
[07:27] <Agent_bob> !info rutebook
[07:27] <ubotu> rutebook (source: rutebook): Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0-1.1 (gutsy), package size 5468 kB, installed size 8264 kB
[07:27] <prince_jammys> you get your shell prompt back
[07:27] <Cicero_123> k. it is done
[07:28] <prince_jammys> try playing, but you probably won't be able to until you get the final libdvdcss2
[07:28] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: type exit, or quit?
[07:28] <prince_jammys> you don't have to type anything
[07:28] <Cicero_123> nvrmnd. i used the mouse.
[07:28] <prince_jammys> if you have a prompt, it means it's done
[07:28] <prince_jammys> oh
[07:29] <Agent_bob> ^D works too
[07:29] <prince_jammys> are you doing it in a gui or did you run sudo aptitude or something
[07:29] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: i ran it in konsole
[07:29] <Lynoure> I chose "update" next to an empty language list in klavaro, and now the whole program insists on using Czech language (not any of my languages) despite being purged and reinstalled. How can I revert it to English?
[07:30] <prince_jammys> oh well then after it's done with your command and you get a shell prompt it means you're done, and can close the window if you want, or type whatever else if you want to keep going
[07:30] <Cicero_123> woohoo! kaffeine found my dvd
[07:30] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ummm you will loose the customization but   rm -r ~/.kde    and ctrl+alt+backspace   should do it.
[07:30] <plantain> Well, updating and rebooting still hasn't fixed my wifi
[07:30] <prince_jammys> if you do a lot of terminal stuff from the desktop i highly recommend "yakuake"
[07:31] <prince_jammys> i adore yakuake
[07:31] <Agent_bob> s/the/all/
[07:31] <plantain> Is there anywhere else that could perhaps help me get my ipw2200 to work?
[07:31] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: not quite ready to throw away all my kde settings over this....
[07:31] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: that command would make my kwallet stuff disappear too, I think, and that would just be bad
[07:31] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: what was the other group that i might want to dl?
[07:32] <prince_jammys> libdvdcss
[07:32] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I already checked .kde/share/apps  and no klavaro there anymore
[07:32] <prince_jammys> but that one is more of a pain
[07:32] <Agent_bob> Lynoure then kcontrol > language (which you probably can't read) > language settings
[07:32] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: same command?
[07:32] <prince_jammys> won't work
[07:32] <prince_jammys> you have to add repositories for it because of legal crap
[07:33] <Agent_bob> Lynoure requires a restart of kde to take affect as the message box will be saying.
[07:33] <||arifaX> prince_jammys: me to like yakuake as well
[07:33] <prince_jammys> google "ubuntu playing dvds" for the final step, unless someone here knows
[07:33] <prince_jammys> you'll see it in the first listing
[07:33] <Cicero_123> k
[07:33] <prince_jammys> yeah yakuake i love
[07:33] <Agent_bob> Lynoure i was assuming that you could not read the menus anymore also is why i mentioned the rm command.
[07:33] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: language setting for all other apps are fine... also fine in kcontrol
[07:34] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: yakuake is a terminal program?
[07:34] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: it's just a klavaro problem
[07:34] <prince_jammys> yeah "sudo apt-get install yakuake"
[07:34] <Agent_bob> Lynoure oh ?   then where is it that the i18 is hosed ?
[07:34] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: in klavaro
[07:34] <Agent_bob> oh   sorry.  my bad.
[07:34] <prince_jammys> it uses konsole and springs up when you hit f12
[07:34] <prince_jammys> goes away when you click anywhere else
[07:34] <prince_jammys> it kicks ass
[07:35] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: I'm wondering where in the world it's storing them during and after the purge...
[07:35] <Agent_bob> Lynoure navagate to ~/.kde/default/applications/klavaro/     errr something like that
[07:36] <Agent_bob> don't remember the exact path.
[07:36] <Agent_bob> but anyway.   nuke the klavaro subdir
[07:37] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: like I already said, no .kde/share/apps/klavaro (no .kde/default at all...)
[07:37] <Cicero_123> yakuake is nice
[07:37] <prince_jammys> right?
[07:37] <prince_jammys> it's great
[07:37] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: could be in some gnome place too, klavaro being a gtk+ app?
[07:38] <Agent_bob> Lynoure ummm use find on it.     find ./.??* -iname *klavaro*
[07:38] <prince_jammys> whenever i'm on someone else's computer i always instinctively start banging on f12, expecting yakuake
[07:38] <Cicero_123> thanx all. :D
[07:38] <prince_jammys> insta-terminal
[07:39] <Cicero_123> one more question. when i set up a second user account it wont let me use app-get.
[07:39] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: ah, too simple :)  .klavaro   :)
[07:39] <prince_jammys> not if they don't have admin privileges
[07:39] <stdin> Cicero_123: you need to add the user to the "admin" group in system settings
[07:40] <Agent_bob> well we can make it harder if you want....
[07:40] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: shouldn't that get nuked too with aptitude purge?
[07:40] <Cicero_123> ah. k. thanx.
[07:40] <Agent_bob> no Lynoure no package manager will touch ~/
[07:40] <prince_jammys> non-admins can't install stuff
[07:40] <Cicero_123> alright! 5th day of Kubuntu from win2k and loving it!  Thanx all! :)  bbl.
[07:40] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: they seem to touch ~/.kde though
[07:40] <apparle> SlimeyPete: Are you there
[07:40] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: or maybe I remember wrong :)
[07:40] <Agent_bob> $HOME is off limits to apt
[07:41] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: yeah, it's great
[07:41] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: especially compared to Win
[07:41] <Cicero_123> prince_jammys: thanx for your help. i really appreciate it. :)
[07:41] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: in a way I can understand why, on the other hand I wish there was a command that iterated through home dirs and purged the daylight out of things
[07:41] <prince_jammys> my pleasure
[07:42] <Cicero_123> bedtime for cicero...
[07:42] <Cicero_123> night all.
[07:42] <prince_jammys> Cicero_123: good night
[07:42] <Agent_bob> Lynoure there is   rm -r ~/   heh.
[07:42] <Lynoure> Agent_bob: :P
[07:42] <apparle> Agent_bob: do you know how to use apt-zip?
[07:43] <Agent_bob> apparle i think so.
[07:43] <Agent_bob> what ya need ?
[07:44] <Agent_bob> apparle or was that a general Q.
[07:44] <Agent_bob> oh ok.
[07:45] <Agent_bob> apparle you install it on the machine that is not networked,   run the apt-zip install package   script and it will generate a list of needed packages with url's for them.   you carry that file to the networked box and get the files,  then move them to the offline box and run the install script that the command also generated.
[07:46] <Agent_bob> apparle yes i see your pm  but i'm not registered. so i can't answer.
[07:47] <Agent_bob> !pm > apparle
[07:47] <CharonP1> Agent_bob: so all I had to do was set a password
[07:47] <apparle> Agent_bob: Whenever I do that, I get a error msg "<package> has no installation candidate" or something like that. I don't remeber it accurately
[07:48] <CharonP1> Agent_bob: that sudo -i thing just didn't work. it took me away from my current working directory
[07:48] <apparle> Agent_bob: I thought that my question was rather offtoic so thought to PM. I will ask next time
[07:49] <apparle> SlimeyPete: Are you there
[07:50] <Agent_bob> apparle um you may have to copy a working package cache from a networked box     i.e.  tar -czf package.tgz /var/lib/apt/lists /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin     and carry package.tgz  to the non-networked box and install it
[07:50] <beener> this is were i go to get help right?
[07:51] <Agent_bob> beener might as well. every one else does   :))
[07:51] <Agent_bob> i mean yes.   ask away.
[07:51] <beener> thank you
[07:52] <beener> well i posted on the ubuntu forum but what ever i post there never gets answered
[07:52] <apparle> Agent_bob: Explain it a little more please
[07:52] <Agent_bob> answers are free,  but correct answers may cost extra
[07:52] <beener> ever sence the update with the xorg kubuntu has been actin wierd
[07:53] <beener> the wireless became very unstable
[07:53] <apparle> Agent_bob: Was that for me
[07:54] <beener> started to take up to 30 min to connect without fristing out
[07:54] <alromaithi> who here made an art of our hes KDE? i need to talk to him without telling him how homicidal maniac months of trying myself
[07:54] <Agent_bob> apparle the repos for the non-networked box must contain the package you are trying to install.   i.e.  if the "package cache"  or  "repository listings"   don't include main universe  then you may have to copy a working copy via the command i showed you  ^^^^
[07:54] <sn00zer> # comments a line, how do i comment paragraphs?
[07:55] <Agent_bob> apparle i'm not real good at trying to explain how something works.   that's a short comming you'll have to overlook.
[07:55] <Lynoure> alromaithi: hes? Do you mean who made the kubuntu official art? or who makes icons? or just who has tweaked the look of their kde?
[07:55] <beener> so i ended up disableing the restricted drive hopeing i could conect to harline and then work on ndiswrapper to get it wireless again
[07:56] <beener> but the hardline would conect either (only happend after the update)
[07:56] <apparle> Agent_bob: I am not interested it in how it works. Please repeat commands in qoutes and explain what to do after that. I am new to linux
[07:56] <beener> i install the ndiswrapper via .deb both the commen and the utils but when i go to modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:56] <alromaithi> Lynoure: your saying tweak? so KDE needs an expert to tweak it not just drag and drop and make your desktop look slick as you want it to be ?
[07:57] <Lynoure> alromaithi: I'm just trying to figure out what you want...
[07:57] <beener> i end up geting a error saying there isnt a ndiswrapper.ko
[07:57] <Agent_bob> there is some kind of bug in the update,   it's been producing verious issues from network to display driver
[07:57] <alromaithi> with my expirience i see GNome is easier to make it look great , wiht my KDE i just got KDE 4 downlkoad kbfx and changed my icons and panel and theme changed but nothign fancy tell me whats fancy?
[07:58] <prince_jammys> sn00zer: i just do it with # on each line
[07:58] <beener> is there a way to undo the udate?
[07:58] <Lynoure> alromaithi: If you are just looking for kde vs. gnome fistfight, I don't do those for free :)
[07:58] <prince_jammys> if you use kate, just select the stuff to comment and do Control-D
[07:58] <prince_jammys> sn00zer:  to uncomment, select and Control-Shift-D
[07:58] <alromaithi> im wanting somehting for great colors a glossy look for the eyes to be comfort and have a slick touch with the panel which shows the edges of each task in a slick way , why no one make such themes please post me your desktop i think im day dreaming for a future release or something or im still behind everybody else
[07:58] <bentob0x> why does the DCOP server need access to my KWallet?
[07:59] <beener> and is there a way to fix the ndiswrapper.ko thing (im pretty sure it has to do with it being the 1.50commen and 1.9 util)
[07:59] <prince_jammys> alromaithi: i make themes that are the exact opposite of that
[07:59] <alromaithi> prince_jammys: so your the gothic group?
[07:59] <prince_jammys> alromaithi: no, just flat, non 3d icons
[07:59] <apparle> Agent_bob: I know I am asking too much but please reply
[07:59] <alromaithi> sorry then prince_jammys
[08:00] <sn00zer> prince_jammys, is there not a way to comment blocks of text like /*  */?
[08:00] <prince_jammys> alromaithi: i have redrawn the whole OpenWorld theme in svg
[08:00] <Lynoure> alromaithi: If you want help/support of some sort, could you rephrase what you want help with?  Or start with checking kde-look.org, they might have what you want
[08:00] <beener> agent if you are willing to help may pm you so im not so confused
[08:00] <beener> may i pm*
[08:00] <prince_jammys> sn00zer: i think there is (i assume you're talking shell scripts) but i don't remember -- try "abs-guide" online
[08:00] <prince_jammys> sno
[08:00] <beener> its very conjested
[08:00] <beener> here
[08:01] <Agent_bob> apparle on linux box with inet    "tar -czf package.tgz /var/lib/apt/lists /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin /etc/apt/sources.list "    copy/move packages.tgz to the non-inet linux box   and "tar -C / -xzf package.tgz "   then run the apt-zip install <packagenameyouwant>
[08:01] <sn00zer> prince_jammys, ok, thanks :-)
[08:02] <apparle> Agent_bob: I don't have to give the loaction for extraction??
[08:02] <Agent_bob> beener sorry i'm not registered, so pm is out of the question for me.
[08:02] <Agent_bob> apparle it's /
[08:02] <alromaithi> Lynoure: i have many things i got from KDE look , but many many things cant be installed like themes , i dunno how you do them where are the How To install Theme or how to install plasma or how to install plasmiods or how to install icons or how to install or tweak and configure taskpanels etc... for a noob to be happy ,  i can say i used KDE for a year but im still a noob because every time i boot KDE i get a headache but with GNome if
[08:02] <alromaithi> i show you how myne looks you will be amazed ,. i have a user = look of mac , and user = look of better then vista , and user = look of glossy eye comfort , and user = customized legend potraitec ubuntu style.
[08:02] <beener> well ill stick it out... i hate being on the windows side.
[08:03] <Lynoure> alromaithi: no support need or question then?
[08:03] <apparle> Agent_bob: thanks.  :)   :)   :)
[08:03] <alromaithi> google is poor for such search quotes that i mentioned Lynoure
[08:03] <prince_jammys> sn00zer: you can install "abs-guide" on your box if you want all the docs locally ... good if you want bash-scripting references
[08:03] <Agent_bob> apparle you will want to man apt-zip to lear a little more about it.   but it's pretty simple.
[08:03] <Agent_bob> learn
[08:03] <Lynoure> alromaithi: hmm, I didn't tell you to google anything... I'm confused now.
[08:04] <alromaithi> post me all the how to's for a customer who wants to get most out of an EyeCandy Technology for KDE bro
[08:04] <prince_jammys> sn00zer: you get them html-browsable and pdf -- they download into /usr/share/doc if you get abs-guide with apt-get
[08:05] <apparle> Agent_bob: Actually I know how the things you told work but I am not good at commands. Thanks
[08:05] <Agent_bob> apparle welcome.
[08:05] <apparle> Any body here is Indian or right now in India
[08:05] <Agent_bob> i'm indian   but not india indian
[08:05] <Agent_bob> cherokee
[08:05] <beener> so is there a way for me to get the ndiswrapper.ko
[08:06] <Agent_bob> beener ndiswraper is on the install cd i think.
[08:06] <Agent_bob> !ndiswrapper
[08:06] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:06] <beener> ive already install it. though it is the 1.50 version
[08:07] <apparle> Agent_bob: I know that I need an Indian to get that apt lists as I need an indian mirror
[08:07] <beener> and the util 1.9
[08:07] <Agent_bob> well you are ahead of me already.  i've never installed it.
[08:07] <beener> o
[08:07] <apparle> Any mehtod by which I can get in contact with an Indian
[08:07] <beener> i just cant get the modprobe thing to work
[08:08] <Agent_bob> apparle ah yes. sorry i was just interjecting.    answering questions for *hours makes one want to just talk some times...
[08:08] <Agent_bob> beener sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:08] <Agent_bob> what it says ?
[08:09] <apparle> How to get to community pages
[08:09] <apparle> !community
[08:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about community - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:09] <Agent_bob> check the main site  http://ubuntu.com
[08:10] <beener> FATAL: could not open '/lib/modules/.../ndiswrapper.ko': no such file or directory
[08:10] <Agent_bob> hmmm
[08:10] <beener> im screwd because theres no way to get linux online now
[08:10] <apparle> Is there a GUI for mencoder
[08:10] <beener> im stuck with M$
[08:11] <prince_jammys> apparle: i've been making one
[08:11] <alromaithi> beener: your with Microsoft Soft?
[08:11] <beener> on it now
[08:11] <alromaithi> !!!!! need a medic for beener
[08:11] <prince_jammys> apparle: but havent finished
[08:11] <beener> lol
[08:11] <apparle> prince_jammys: On which language
[08:11] <prince_jammys> apparle: just using kommander
[08:12] <beener> ... i hate it ever sence i installed kubuntu never left it but now...
[08:12] <prince_jammys> apparle: basically you have a window with checkboxes and a "convert" button
[08:13] <apparle> prince_jammys: That's a good idea. When will it be done
[08:13] <prince_jammys> apparle: there is a gui out there i think, but it's not in the main repositories. don't remember what it's called
[08:13] <Agent_bob> beener several listing on google.com/linux  search for "ndiswrapper.ko': no such file"  i'm sorry i'm no help with that.
[08:13] <prince_jammys> apparle: soon, but unless it's really good i won't put it out there. just for home use -- doesnt check for bad input, etc.
[08:14] <apparle> beener: I know how it feels about M$ after using linux (rather hopeless)
[08:14] <beener> its ok i understand| ive been to all them i need to be on the internet fix the problem but i cant go hardlined
[08:15]  * Agent_bob doesn't do windows
[08:15] <apparle> prince_jammys: I suggest that you add a textbox at bottom to see the result or status and the replies of mencoder
[08:16] <prince_jammys> apparle: oh yeah i have that
[08:16] <beener> is there a way to text base conect ot a wired conection
[08:16] <prince_jammys> apparle: the terminal output comes out in a dumb terminal, ala synaptic
[08:16] <Agent_bob> with one of the cute little flip down switches...
[08:17] <prince_jammys> apparle: i just do so many projects like that - and i get sidetracked, takes me a while to finish
[08:17] <Agent_bob> beener ifconfig eth0 <ip> up
[08:17] <apparle> prince_jammys: then you are doing it well. Do it fast. many people are waiting for a good one !!. Search for it in google and you will see
[08:17] <Agent_bob> beener sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.111 up     <<<for example.
[08:18] <beener> so that will set the ip also
[08:18] <Agent_bob> yep
[08:18] <prince_jammys> apparle: i know it's weird that there apparently isn't a gui for something like mencoder
[08:18] <Agent_bob> can use ifup   for dhcp connections i think
[08:18] <Agent_bob> dhclient to reget the ip
[08:18] <prince_jammys> apparle: cuz command-line mencoder is pretty confusing, lots of parameters
[08:18] <beener> i hope this works. thanks
[08:19] <Agent_bob> networking is what linux does best,  so well infact that there are "if it were possable" too many networking tools.
[08:19] <prince_jammys> apparle: the thing is that mencoder has so many freakin features that to do a comprehensive gui is a bit of work
[08:20] <prince_jammys> it's like imagemagick, it can do so much stuff
[08:20] <Agent_bob> multiple http servers multiple ftp servers  multiple * networking * . *
[08:21] <stf> Hi. I use KDE 3.5.8 in Gutsy. When I do Alt+F2 "http://google.com", a konq icon starts bouncing as usual, but no window appears. Alt+F2 "konqueror http://google.com" works fine. Also tried "kfmclient exec http://google.com" in a konsole, but got no error output (no window appeared). Could anyone help?
[08:21] <Agent_bob> your way my way the linux way the ubuntu way the debian way and even at times the right way.
[08:22] <apparle> prince_jammys: do it as fast a s possible. i am waiting and also are many others
[08:22] <Agent_bob> stf ummm no /usr/bin/x-www-browser   set  ?
[08:23] <Agent_bob> just a thought
[08:23] <bentob0x> Anybody knows why does the DCOP server need access to my KWallet?
[08:23] <stf> stefan@stefan:~$ ls -lh /usr/bin/x-www-browser
[08:23] <stf> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 2008-02-12 11:43 /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[08:23] <stf> stefan@stefan:~$ ls -lh /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[08:23] <stf> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-02-12 11:43 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/konqueror
[08:23] <stf> Agent_bob: ^
[08:24] <stf> bentob0x: normally it shouldn't.
[08:24] <Agent_bob> readlink -f /usr/bin/x-www-browser would have been much cleaner.   but ok.   that's not the problem
[08:24] <stf> aha
[08:25] <Agent_bob> stf i don't know then.  i'd probably look around in mime types in knoq  but that's probably going to be futile.
[08:25] <stf> Agent_bob: got it fixed
[08:25] <Agent_bob> it was ?
[08:26] <stf> Agent_bob: that's right, the html mimetype was bound to the kde4 konqueror with priority over the kde3 one for some reason. and the kde4 one was silently failing
[08:26] <stf> thanks :)
[08:26] <Agent_bob> k   welcome.
[08:26] <Agent_bob> even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then
[08:27] <stf> whoa. that's deep.
[08:27] <bentob0x> k thx stf
[08:27] <stf> np
[08:29] <Agent_bob> yeah,  i'm so deep i'm stuck.
[08:30] <beener> turned out to be my eithernet cord was messed up
[08:30] <Agent_bob> that's what you get for using that M$ software on it....  :))))
[08:30] <beener> ...
[08:31] <beener> what should i do about the wireless though i heard useing ndiswrapper would be more stable then useing the bcm43xx
[08:31] <apparle> Agent_bob: If I get the lists from a person having ubuntu instead of kubuntu, will it do ?
[08:31] <Agent_bob> i don't have anything wireless to test with.  so i'm ignorant about that
[08:32] <Agent_bob> apparle ubuntu is ubuntu is ubuntu....
[08:32] <beener> o well thanks any ways... does anyone here run wireless?
[08:32] <Lynoure> beener: about half of the people, if not more
[08:33] <beener> o well can any one help me out
[08:33] <Agent_bob> apparle but that doesn't mean that they will have the same packages alread installed that you will.   and therein may cause a missing dependancy
[08:33] <apparle> Agent_bob: I thought that I am getting only the addresses of the packages and not what is installed and what is not
[08:34] <Agent_bob> apparle uhh    what stage of the game are you at there ?    if making the packages.tgz   then yes.
[08:35] <Agent_bob> if getting the list from apt-zip   then no.
[08:35] <Agent_bob> so i'm unsure what your question was
[08:35] <Agent_bob> "the lists"  <<< not real discriptive.
[08:36] <apparle> Agent_bob: Its OK. I am not calling you names
[08:36] <||arifaX> i use aticonfig --swap-monitor every day. generally kicker does an exception crashes and restarts automatically. any ideas?
[08:37] <apparle> bye
[08:38] <Agent_bob> apparle good by and good luck with it.
[08:39] <Agent_bob> ||arifaX </shrugs>
[08:39] <||arifaX> Agent ??
[08:41] <Agent_bob> looking for a way to keep kicker from crashing ||arifaX ?
[08:42] <apparle> Agent_bob:thanks actually I know none with ubuntu near me
[08:42] <beener> whats more stable kubuntu or gnome as of right now? and how can you fix the instabilities of the update
[08:43] <Agent_bob> beener probably ubuntu/gnome   but dont tell anybody in #kubuntu i said that.
[08:43]  * Agent_bob ducks.
[08:44] <beener> damn...i really like kubuntu
[08:44] <beener> you know if there working on fixing the bugs that the update brought?
[08:44] <Agent_bob> i don't like gnome actually.  but i'm not going to lie about it.
[08:44] <beener> or are we SOL
[08:45] <Agent_bob> i'm sure it's being worked on.  but there are several things that need fixed so it may take a little time.  i haven't heard anyone on the "team" mention it.
[08:45] <||arifaX> Agent_bob: I want to know what I can do to maybe post this as a bug
[08:46] <Agent_bob> !bug
[08:46] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[08:47] <blazinfire> i need some help... i just got kubuntu 7.10 and i installed it. my connection is reconized. but for some reason the only application that will reconize my connection is the chat clients.
[08:47] <||arifaX> Agent_bob: is this also for kubuntu?
[08:48] <Agent_bob> stdin may know more (probably does) about it than i do.
[08:48] <Agent_bob> ||arifaX yep
[08:48] <Agent_bob> i.e. "any of its derivatives,"  ^
[08:48] <blazinfire> i cant use konquer or anything else that uses the connection
[08:49] <beener> are you wireless blazin?
[08:49] <stdin> beener: which bug is that?
[08:49] <blazinfire> nope
[08:49] <beener> then nvm
[08:49] <Agent_bob> blazinfire i've seen that before.  but i don't recall off hand the fix.   it's a common issue.
[08:49] <beener> the xorg
[08:49] <stdin> what about xorg?
[08:50] <blazinfire> well i've done some research on it. and it seems to be a common issue. but i have yet found the fix for it
[08:50] <beener> or at least when the xorg was int eh updates me and my friends computer just started fristing
[08:50] <Agent_bob> stdin the one that was in the last updates that has put several people in #ubuntu and #kubuntu whining about the update breaking everything.
[08:50] <beener> or do you mean the modprob prblem?
[08:51] <beener> ... there sorta togather (and it 4am so im trying to stay comprehensive, need to finish fixing this)
[08:53] <beener> @stdin so what is it you exacly askin?
[08:53] <blazinfire> is there any other forums or anything i should search on other than kubuntu and ubuntu's forums?
[08:53] <blazinfire> or does anyone know the fix in here for my prob?
[08:54] <stdin> beener: I'm trying to ask exactly what the issue you have wit X is?
[08:54] <beener> @blazin no but it had happend to me wire my wireless was fristing
[08:55] <beener> @stdin not sure just the update had messd the wireless up. made it more unstable
[08:55] <blazinfire> well for some reason it just seems my connection really isn't being reconized by anything. but i can use whatever KDE has in place of Pidgin
[08:55] <blazinfire> i dont remember the exact name of the app.
[08:55] <stdin> beener: the update to xorg messed with wireless?
[08:56] <beener> yea
[08:56] <stdin> how do you know they are connected?
[08:56] <stdin> the update and the issues I mean
[08:56] <beener> im not just my friend also have had conection problem after that one update
[08:56] <beener> one cant conect to nothing
[08:57] <beener> kopote
[08:57] <blazinfire> yea thats right.
[08:57] <stdin> xorg doesn't have anything to do with wireless, or any networking, I can't see a possible connection
[08:58] <blazinfire> oh another thing that might be leading to the same situation. i cant even add any programs with the program manager.
[08:58] <beener> im not saying that it is that im just saything the update that had the xorg in it is when things went bad
[08:59] <blazinfire> i really think it revolves directly with v 7.10 cuz the previous version of ubuntu and kubuntu was fine
[08:59] <beener> @ blazin what does it say?
[08:59] <beener> @ blazin does it give you a comit error?
[09:00] <blazinfire> give me a sec. i'm tryin to remember what it said. i'm in windows atm
[09:00] <beener> @stdin im fairly new at this though i am learning. so im not realy sure of what would be causeing things and how to trouble shoot them correctly
[09:01] <Agent_bob> well blazinfire google hates me.  i was looking for a post about the network issue you described    i have seen it in here several times  but don't recall what the actual problem is, unless it's a dns server issue.
[09:02] <beener> @stdin the main thing i want is to be able to conect to the internet wirelessly. and to be stable instead of takeing more then 30 min to conect and work right
[09:02] <Agent_bob> seems that maybe it's something about the   /etc/resolv.conf file.
[09:02] <stdin> beener: the last time I had an update to xorg was 2008-01-27 to version 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.3
[09:02] <blazinfire> i dont remember the error. i thought i had it wrote down
[09:02] <beener> @stdin yea thats when things started to go array
[09:03] <Agent_bob> blazinfire check your dns nameserver ip and when in linux check /etc/resolv.conf   for the same info.   i think that's where your problem may be.
[09:03] <blazinfire> well i've checked everything i could think of on my side of my connection and everything checks fine
[09:04] <Agent_bob> blazinfire and is the linux box behind a gateway ?
[09:04] <beener> @stdin im not saying that it was xorg just after that whole update every thing went array such as the icon on the status bar apearing on the top left corner and the kicker crashing more often and also some apps dont open on the first click
[09:04] <blazinfire> no
[09:05] <Agent_bob> ok. then router ?
[09:05] <beener> @stdin not to mension the even more instability in the wireless.  but i can deal with the others i just need to be wireless
[09:05] <blazinfire> oh wait. sry. yea it behind a gateway
[09:05] <blazinfire> 4 a.m. lol
[09:06] <Agent_bob> ok.  then you may also need a    route add default <ip of the gateway>     command to get you cookin' wif gas.
[09:06] <blazinfire> ahhh. i also was trying to connect to a direct ip address (still doesn't let me connect)
[09:10] <Agent_bob> blazinfire your last post sounds more like a routing issue.    i don't know how knetwork manager handels that sort of thing,   but the route command is simple enough.
[09:10] <beener>  @stdin i cant figure out why the bcm43xx is so unstable but it is. so i was told from someone to try ndiswrapper.
[09:10] <pete_> Hello,is there anyway i can upgrade to 7.10 without having to reinstall
[09:10] <beener> pakeg manager
[09:11] <Agent_bob> pete_ from ?
[09:11] <pete_> UK
[09:11] <Agent_bob> to 7.10  from ?.??
[09:11] <pete_> 6.06
[09:11] <Agent_bob> ummm it's not reccomended
[09:11] <pete_> if i run cat /etc/issue its 6.06
[09:12] <pete_> ok so can i reinstall using the new live cd and keep all my software and files
[09:12] <Agent_bob> distupgrade is made for one relase at a time.  so that would be a 3 step upgrade.
[09:12] <pete_> its used as a server so i need to keep
[09:12] <pete_> i see
[09:13] <beener> @stdin now ndiswrapper give me this | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/misc/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko': No such file or directory
[09:13] <pete_> i installed ubuntu 7.10 on ps3 which is pretty cool!
[09:13] <Agent_bob> pete_ you can keep anything in /home if it's a seperate file system   other wise it's not recommended to install over an earler version without reformating
[09:13] <pete_> ok
[09:13] <pete_> well ill jsut back it all up to a gb
[09:13] <pete_> tb
[09:14] <pete_> im pretty new to linux, only been using it about 2 mounths
[09:14] <pete_> got Pissed of with windows lol!
[09:15] <pete_> Any tips for me when using linux?
[09:15] <stdin> beener: make sure you have linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic installed then
[09:16] <beener> how?
[09:16] <Agent_bob> tar --one-file-system -czf backup_name_and_location.tgz /       where "backup_name_and_location.tgz"  would be on another filesystem.   makes a good backup
[09:16] <pete_> ok
[09:16] <pete_> cool
[09:16] <pete_> im quite young to do all this stuff so might need extra help :)
[09:17] <stdin> beener: however you want, in a package manager or with "dpkg -l | grep linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic"
[09:17] <Agent_bob> actually withoug the z in -czf   and called *.tar  is faster.  not compressed.
[09:17] <pete_> ok cool
[09:17] <pete_> can we do private chat?
[09:17] <beener> o
[09:17] <Agent_bob> if you are registered you can.  i'm not so i can't.
[09:17] <Agent_bob> :)
[09:17] <pete_> ahh ok im not registered
[09:18] <pete_> so do you know anything to do with WINE
[09:18] <pete_> as i have loads of school apps i need to run on my laptop aswell
[09:18] <beener> ii  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic     2.6.22-14.37                         Ubuntu supplied Linux modules for version 2
[09:18] <Agent_bob> too much wine and you'll wake up with headache
[09:18] <pete_> yeh well, hehe
[09:18] <neville> pete_ Have a look at #winehq , and http://www.winehq.org
[09:18] <pete_> aperntly its software to run microsoft software
[09:19] <pete_> ok
[09:19] <pete_> ta
[09:19] <neville> The application database would no doubt be what you are after
[09:19] <Agent_bob> wine is wine is not an emulator
[09:19] <jussi01> !appdb
[09:19] <ubotu> The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[09:19] <stdin> beener: then you need to reinstall it, "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-14-generic"
[09:20] <pete_> I tryed getting my network maneger to install Linux on all the school computers and server:) But he said NO:(
[09:20] <beener> thisll fix it right
[09:20] <Agent_bob> pete_ yeah typical.
[09:20] <pete_> just because he dont know how to use it
[09:20] <pete_> well and most of the 900 other students
[09:20] <pete_> heh
[09:21] <stdin> beener: it'll reinstall the kernel module and let ndiswrapper work
[09:21] <Agent_bob> pete_ yep.
[09:21] <jussi01> !ot | pete_
[09:21] <ubotu> pete_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:21] <pete_> were the hell is that?
[09:21] <beener> its dun so i should rerun modprobe and it should run right, right
[09:21] <pete_> ahh
[09:21] <Agent_bob> jussi01 where you been all day?
[09:21] <jussi01> Agent_bob: sleeping :)
[09:21] <Agent_bob> OK.
[09:22] <stdin> beener: should
[09:22] <Agent_bob> well gat it's your turn.
[09:22] <beener> OMG
[09:22] <Agent_bob> @jussi01 ^
[09:22] <beener> YOUR A SAVIOR
[09:22] <Agent_bob> tag
[09:22] <Agent_bob> sheesh.   s/gat/tag/g
[09:22] <beener> er... i dont rember the comand to alow it to start automaticly
[09:23] <Agent_bob> i'm not lysdexic thank you i as am.
[09:23] <Agent_bob> good night everybody.
[09:23] <beener> thanks for the help before
[09:24] <beener> take care
[09:24] <jussi01> night Agent_bob
[09:24] <stdin> beener: sudo ndiswrapper -m
[09:25] <beener>  er... more errors
[09:25] <stdin> * then "echo ndiswrapper |sudo tee -a /etc/modules"
[09:25] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[09:26] <pete_> anyone know anything about smaba and nertworking?
[09:26] <jussi01> pete_: some, what do you need to know?
[09:27] <pete_> ok well, i installed ubuntu on my ps3 and have a media server in myroom, which has all my music stored on. i want to be able to accsess it from my ps3
[09:27] <beener> error >;you should delete that at /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1.9 line 790, <MODPROBE> line 388.  module configuration contains directive install pci:v000014E4d00004324sv*sd*bc*sc*i* /sbin/modprobe ndiswrapper
[09:27] <jussi01> !samba > pete_
[09:27] <beener> could that be because i have already dun that ?
[09:28] <pete_> ok i sudo apt-get install samba and it working
[09:28] <pete_> but i need to change the workgroup? in the smb.conf file
[09:29] <beener> by dun that i mean the ndiswrapper -m (not knowing what is did)
[09:30] <blackflag-at-wor> hello all :)
[09:31] <blackflag-at-wor> I want to have to sreens  with a mastrox G400 dualhead
[09:31] <blackflag-at-wor> but I only have 1 Monitor that is riunning
[09:32] <blackflag-at-wor> can someone help 2 get 2 monitors running?
[09:32] <blackflag-at-wor> II configure over systems settings  but its not running
[09:33] <jussi01> !dualhead | blackflag-at-wor
[09:33] <ubotu> blackflag-at-wor: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[09:38] <c1|freaky> is there any good tool for posting to blogs for kde/kubuntu?
[09:42] <jussi01> !info wordpress | c1|freaky
[09:42] <ubotu> c1|freaky: wordpress (source: wordpress): an award winning weblog manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.2-1ubuntu1.3 (gutsy), package size 783 kB, installed size 4200 kB
[09:42] <c1|freaky> no
[09:42] <c1|freaky> i mean
[09:42] <c1|freaky> a gui tool for posting to blogs, sorry
[09:44] <blazinfire> hey you all
[09:44] <blazinfire> i fixed the prob
[09:44] <blazinfire> with me not running a network. some how i disabled the network manager and everything works fine
[09:45] <blazinfire> and with the update software i guess. for some reason it wants me to update to kubuntu 7.10. i installed 7.10 ? any answers
[09:45] <||arifaX> c1|freaky: and the package is called wordpress?
[09:45] <c1|freaky> no
[09:45] <c1|freaky> i mean a tool for posting to wordpress/drupal etc.
[09:45] <||arifaX> c1|freaky: whats the name?
[09:46] <||arifaX> need that
[09:46] <c1|freaky> im looking for one
[09:47] <prince_jammys> c1|freaky: i just did "apt-cache search blog" and several showed up
[09:48] <prince_jammys> c1|freaky: kicker-kblogger - KDE applet to post weblog entries
[09:50] <c1|freaky> thanks ;D
[09:50] <c1|freaky> im trying some kde4 tool ;D
[09:54] <blackflag-at-wor> ahh thanks!!
[09:56] <blackflag-at-wor> !Xinerama
[09:56] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[10:10] <ziyue> hello?
[10:10] <jussi01> !hi | ziyue
[10:10] <ubotu> ziyue: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:10] <ziyue> hi,everyone
[10:11] <ziyue> hi,jussi01 and ubotu~
[10:11] <jussi01> !bot | ziyue
[10:11] <ubotu> ziyue: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:11] <jussi01> :)
[10:12] <jussi01> ziyue: how can we help today?
[10:12] <ziyue> does anybody know if there is a vim GUI for KDE?
[10:13] <Aloha> ziyue, there is a vim gui for gnome ;_
[10:13] <ziyue> yes,i installed it on kububtu,it does not work
[10:14] <ziyue> but thx anyways,Aloha
[10:14] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[10:15] <ziyue> morning,sebastian
[10:15] <SlimeyPete> ziyue: doesn't work? Odd. It works for me.
[10:16] <Aloha> ziyue, http://www.yzis.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[10:17] <ziyue> i mean it i could not find the GUI of vim on my kubuntu
[10:18] <ziyue> cool~Aloha,that seems to be what I need
[10:18] <ziyue> thanks,Aloha
[10:19] <Aloha> ziyue, np
[10:20] <ziyue> have you tried KDE4,Aloha?
[10:20] <Aloha> ziyue, nope. i use xfce actually heh
[10:20] <Aloha> im downloading kbuntu-desktop right now
[10:21] <Aloha> kubuntu*
[10:21] <ziyue> actually,I am a newbie for linux
[10:21] <ziyue> haha
[10:21] <Aloha> i've been using linux since 97
[10:21] <prince_jammys> get ready for the great kubuntu :)
[10:21] <prince_jammys> have you used it before?
[10:22] <ziyue> I have to use Intel fortran compiler for my project,so installed linux
[10:22] <Aloha> yeah, not extensively though
[10:22] <Aloha> ziyue, people still program in fortran?
[10:22] <ziyue> well,i didn't hear about linux at that time
[10:22] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i recommend "yakuake" once you have it
[10:22] <ziyue> yes,science still use it
[10:22] <prince_jammys> i recommend it to everyone
[10:22] <Aloha> prince_jammys, what is it?
[10:23] <Aloha> PriceChild, oh its that terminal, yeah?
[10:23] <prince_jammys> Aloha: term emulator
[10:23] <Aloha> PriceChild, i tried it in xfce was kinda rough heh i'll try it in kde
[10:23] <ziyue> yakuake?
[10:23] <prince_jammys> Aloha: actually just uses KDE's konsole, but stays out of the way until you hit F12
[10:23]  * Aloha is not used to things flying in from the top of the screen
[10:24] <prince_jammys> Aloha: insta term is what it is
[10:24] <prince_jammys> Aloha: ah, so you know it
[10:24] <Aloha> kde apps are pretty good
[10:25] <Aloha> i'm a fan of konqueror, just because i liek KHTML over gecko
[10:25] <Aloha> like*
[10:25] <prince_jammys> Aloha: love konqueror
[10:25] <Aloha> firefox is good but it has some memoy issues
[10:26] <prince_jammys> Aloha: konq can do so much
[10:26] <prince_jammys> Aloha: also firefox acts funny sometimes in KDE
[10:26] <Aloha> prince_jammys, what do you mena by "do"?
[10:26] <Aloha> mean*
[10:26] <prince_jammys> Aloha: oh, you know, open terminals, read man pages, read info pages, preview files, etc
[10:27] <Aloha> prince_jammys, nice
[10:27] <prince_jammys> Aloha: just man: command and you get man pages in html, nicely formatted
[10:28] <Aloha> prince brb just finished downloading kubuntu-desktop gonna restart in it
[10:28] <prince_jammys> Aloha: but now for some reason they're making dolphin the default file browser, which i change right away
[10:28] <prince_jammys> ok see ya
[10:28] <ziyue> i have to go back to my work,see you later,Aloha
[10:29] <ziyue> see you later,everybody
[10:30] <Aloha> prince_jammys: back
[10:31] <Aloha> not too bad
[10:33] <Aloha> virtual keyboard
[10:33] <Aloha> prince_jammys: what email client do you use?
[10:34] <prince_jammys> Aloha: kmail
[10:35] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i use mostly kde stuff -- good stuff once you get used to it
[10:35] <Aloha> prince_jammys: i'm used to thunderbird heh
[10:36] <prince_jammys> Aloha: yeah i used to use that -- very similar, just themed differently
[10:37] <prince_jammys> they're almost the same, other than appearance, as far as the use i give it
[10:38] <Aloha> i'm loading it right now
[10:38] <Aloha> i'm chatting in konqueror
[10:41] <Ginungaggap> good morning
[10:41] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i didn't know you could do that
[10:41] <Ginungaggap> does anybody know how to make ubuntu shut down, when I press the poweroff-button on my casis?
[10:42] <Ayabara> Anyone with a "Intel® Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-PCI Card". I have one on my XPS M1530, and it's not all ok..
[10:47] <Aloha> prince_jammys: i mean konversation... sorry everything starts with a "K" heh
[10:49] <prince_jammys> Aloha: yeah the K thing is really overkill
[10:50] <prince_jammys> though it makes identifying kde apps easy
[10:51] <Aloha> prince_jammys: yeah its pretty nice. where is the "about kde" app?
[10:53] <Divilinux> hi all..anyone can give me the plasmarc txt please?
[10:53] <prince_jammys> Aloha: everywhere in "Help"
[10:54] <Aloha> prince_jammys: thnx!
[10:54] <Aloha> prince_jammys: what IM client do you run? kopete?
[10:54] <prince_jammys> Aloha: try in konqueror for example "man: grep"
[10:55] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i don't use one
[10:55] <prince_jammys> kde
[10:55] <prince_jammys> kde's is kopete
[10:55] <prince_jammys> which shockingly also begins with a k
[10:56] <Aloha> prince_jammys: man grep doesn't show anything?!
[10:56] <prince_jammys> man: grep with a colon
[10:56] <prince_jammys> or just man: if you want a menu of everything
[10:56] <Aloha> prince_jammys: gotcha
[10:57] <Aloha> prince_jammys: No man page matching to grep found.
[10:57] <prince_jammys> the renegade kde app is gwenview, which amazingly begins with a "g" of all letters
[10:57] <prince_jammys> now that's a problem
[10:57] <prince_jammys> does it work in  a term?
[10:58] <Aloha> yeah
[10:58] <prince_jammys> weird
[10:58] <prince_jammys> i didn't install anything to make it do that
[10:58] <Aloha> prince_jammys: did you install kubuntu cd?
[10:59] <prince_jammys> Aloha: no, i installed it after having gnome
[10:59] <Aloha> prince_jammys: me too.... hrm thats why i asked
[10:59]  * Aloha shrugs
[10:59] <prince_jammys> Aloha: maybe if you go to the main menu and "help" and then index man pages from there
[10:59] <prince_jammys> they're all viewable there also, or should be
[11:00] <Aloha> prince_jammys: main menu?
[11:00] <prince_jammys> if you do a lot of manning, like me, it's very handy
[11:00] <prince_jammys> the big K on the lower left
[11:00] <Aloha> oh KDE menu
[11:01] <prince_jammys> Aloha: K-Menu->Help->Search Options tab on the left ->"Build Search Index"
[11:02] <Aloha> prince_jammys: building
[11:03] <prince_jammys> Aloha: kate is also a great little text editor, especially if you write scripts
[11:03] <Aloha> prince_jammys: what about wring code?
[11:03] <prince_jammys> don't know
[11:03] <prince_jammys> i use it for perl,php,bash
[11:03] <erik__> how do I work with my wireless settings in kubuntu with kde4? i had it in kde3 but now I cannot find it
[11:04] <Aloha> prince_jammys: i'm a ruby programmer
[11:04] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i'd be surprised if it didn't highlight ruby syntax
[11:04] <user-land> Hi, is there a disadvantage from installing Kubuntu 64bit version ?
[11:04] <Aloha> prince_jammys: cool
[11:05] <prince_jammys> comes with it's own terminal tab so you can run your stuff as you edit
[11:05] <SlimeyPete> user-land: you have to fiddle around a bit to make Flash work, apparently.
[11:05] <SlimeyPete> otherwise no, not really
[11:05] <user-land> are you running it, slimeypete ?
[11:06] <Aloha> prince_jammys: when i buld man i get htdig failed
[11:06] <SlimeyPete> user-land: I run it on my desktop. I haven't tried installing Flash but everything else seems to work.
[11:06] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i have no idea what that's about
[11:07] <user-land> great, slimeypit, so is it faster then ?
[11:07] <Aloha> oh well
[11:07] <SlimeyPete> user-land: not sigificantly. A little.
[11:07] <SlimeyPete> Aloha: make sure you have htdig installed?
[11:07] <user-land> thank you :-)
[11:08] <Aloha> SlimeyPete: oh that would help ;)
[11:08] <prince_jammys> Aloha: apparently you're not the only with this problem, according to google
[11:09] <Aloha> i like the terminal program yakaouko or whatever
[11:09] <Aloha> yakuake
[11:09] <prince_jammys> Aloha: yeah it's super handy
[11:10] <Aloha> kde is cool. first time i've used it in a few versions
[11:10] <prince_jammys> such a charming name too
[11:10] <Aloha> yeah kate has ruby highlighting
[11:12] <Aloha> woo build index is working now
[11:12] <Aloha> SlimeyPete: thnx
[11:12] <prince_jammys> Aloha: kate is good for script editing (select+ Ctrl -D -- comment out, Ctrl-I indent --plus shift uncomments, unindents)
[11:12] <prince_jammys> lots of useful stuff
[11:13] <hmmyeh> anyone with some rtl8169 tips for ubuntu? gigabit.... i get good speed on downloads from the ubuntu pc to a xp pc, but uploading from xp > linux seems as slow as 10mbit :S
[11:13] <SaeidZebardast> how to upgrade kubuntu 7.10 to 8.04 ?
[11:15] <Aloha> SaeidZebardast: i would wait until hardy is released
[11:15] <SaeidZebardast> I want to upgrade 8.04 alpha
[11:16] <SaeidZebardast> Aloha: ^
[11:16] <alromaithi> then update
[11:16] <giovanni_h> hi guys
[11:16] <giovanni_h> which kernel should I use? the -386 or the -generic? I have a pentium IV
[11:17] <Aloha> SaeidZebardast: update manager
[11:17] <SaeidZebardast> Aloha: update-manager -d ?
[11:17] <Aloha> SaeidZebardast: system menu
[11:17] <erik__> where's the network manager in kde4? in network settings the top tab i missing compared to kde3..
[11:18] <SaeidZebardast> Aloha: Thanks
[11:18] <Aloha> is google toolbar available for konqueror?
[11:18] <Aloha> SaeidZebardast: np
[11:19] <Aloha> prince_jammys: welcome back
[11:21] <prince_jammys> Aloha: thx - it's my first time using Konversation - wanted to see if it minimized to tray when you close the window
[11:21] <prince_jammys> Aloha: and it didn't
[11:21] <Aloha> prince_jammys: heh, thats one way to find out
[11:24] <Aloha> found another non-K kde app Akregator
[11:24] <erik__> has anyone tried to configure wireless for kde4?
[11:25] <Aloha> erik__: i use wicd
[11:25] <erik__> Aloha: thanks, I'll check it out.. not in apt right?
[11:26] <_Angelus_> guys
[11:26] <_Angelus_> i changed to kubuntu 64bit
[11:26] <_Angelus_> im using kde4.0.1
[11:26] <Aloha> erik__: its the best wireless manager all round IMHO
[11:26] <_Angelus_> an i dont have power saving features
[11:26] <_Angelus_> like suspend to ram..
[11:26] <Aloha> _Angelus_: KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[11:27] <_Angelus_> Aloha:  i think its more powersaving support then kde4...
[11:27] <_Angelus_> but anyways
[11:29] <Aloha> prince_jammys: OOOOOOHHHH!! i was doing man: grep... not man:grep it works now
[11:29] <prince_jammys> Aloha: pretty nice feature
[11:29] <Aloha> prince_jammys: for sure!
[11:30] <prince_jammys> Aloha: you can also stick a terminal button on the bar if you want, and be able to open a terminal as you browse through files
[11:31] <hmmyeh> got rtl8169 nic, slow upload speed from xp to linux, but awesome speed from linux to xp
[11:31] <hmmyeh> any tips?
[11:31] <prince_jammys> Aloha: the terminal gets opened in whatever directory you're looking at
[11:31] <prince_jammys> Aloha: basically, features galore
[11:31] <prince_jammys> but useful ones
[11:33] <Aloha> anyone know if google toolbar works with konqueror?
[11:33] <Aloha> all my bookmarks are stored there
[11:33] <prince_jammys> Aloha: don't know, but konqueror can probably import them
[11:34] <Aloha> prince_jammys: google exports bookmarks as one big html file heh
[11:34] <prince_jammys> Aloha: yeah konq and firefox do that too
[11:35] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i like it because you have a webpage of bookmarks, instead of a menu
[11:35] <prince_jammys> Aloha: both, actually
[11:39] <Aloha> prince_jammys: how do you change kde themes?
[11:44] <psi_> morning all
[11:44] <psi_> another wonderflly warm day in feb
[11:46] <prince_jammys> Aloha: "kcontrol" in KMenu
[11:47] <Aloha> prince_jammys: don't see it
[11:47] <prince_jammys> Aloha: System-settings?
[11:47] <Aloha> prince_jammys: oh.. that one
[11:47] <Aloha> prince_jammys: thnx
[11:49] <prince_jammys> Aloha: kcontrol is better by the way ... i think they started packaging kde with "system-settings" in an effort to make it have FEWER features .. i recommend installing "kcontrol" to have access to all kinds of settings
[11:49] <Aloha> prince_jammys: ok thnx
[11:50] <Aloha> kde is pretty
[11:50] <Tm_T> prince_jammys: no fewer features, but to be more clear, also kcontrol doesn
[11:50] <prince_jammys> Aloha: apparently one criticism of KDE is that it's TOO configurable -- hence the switch to "system-settings". i don't think KDE should pay attention to those criticisms
[11:50] <Tm_T> 't have maintainer
[11:51] <prince_jammys> Tm_T ah
[11:51] <Aloha> prince_jammys: you can never have too much control over your computer
[11:51] <Tm_T> prince_jammys: Kcontrol is and apparently will stay as unmaintained relic, good one, but still...
[11:51] <prince_jammys> well, you can search for the setting you want in kcontrol just by typing it ... havent used system-settings in a while but i don't remember it having that
[11:52] <prince_jammys> ie.. you have to rifle through all the menus, right?
[11:52] <Tm_T> should have search
[11:52] <prince_jammys> can you change system services .. that kind of stuff?
[11:53] <Tm_T> should
[11:53] <Tm_T> remind you, I'm no systemsettings user, Kcontrol <3
[11:53] <prince_jammys> oh well i take it back then ... maybe i didn't check it out thoroughly
[11:54] <prince_jammys> i just noticed the KDE switch to default apps like dolphin, that seem to have fewer settings than the older ones like konq
[11:55] <Tm_T> prince_jammys: Kubuntu, not KDE
[11:55] <kaan> hi can anyone help me with adept manager?
[11:55] <prince_jammys> Tm_T oh, Kubuntu only?
[11:56] <prince_jammys> Tm_T do you know why the switch to dolphin? to me it just seems worse
[11:56] <Tm_T> prince_jammys: well other distros too, but not KDE itself
[11:56] <Tm_T> prince_jammys: "easier for the new users, not drowning with features"
[11:56] <kaan> it says adept manager's being used by another program and can only start in read-only mode... but i just restarted the computer.... and it still doesn't work
[11:57] <Tm_T> !adeptfix
[11:57] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[11:57] <Tm_T> kaan: ^^
[11:57] <prince_jammys> Tm_T yeah, see i like drowning in features :) so long as they're useful, which in konq, they are
[11:58] <prince_jammys> fewer features starts to remind me of that other OS
[11:59] <kaan> ok trying
[11:59] <kaan> oh sweet
[11:59] <kaan> worked
[11:59] <kaan> thank you
[11:59] <kaan> a newbie question
[11:59] <Aloha> i like kmail better than thunderbird
[11:59] <kaan> what does sudo do?
[11:59] <kaan> :)
[11:59] <Tm_T> !sudo | kaan
[12:00] <ubotu> kaan: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[12:00] <Aloha> kaan: SUperuerDO
[12:00] <Aloha> user*
[12:00] <prince_jammys> kaan: makes you superuser for just a single command
[12:00] <kaan> ah gotcha thanks guys! Adept manager runs now!
[12:00] <kaminix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/34282 Is this bug abandoned?
[12:00] <Aloha> bug #34282
[12:01] <Aloha> blah stupid bot
[12:01] <Tm_T> Aloha: is not ;(
[12:01] <Aloha> Tm_T: heh ;)
[12:01] <kaminix> !bug 34282
[12:01] <kaminix> Maybe...
[12:01] <kaminix> Nope. :p
[12:02] <kaminix> Would be nice to be able to write some Japanese in Skype aswell. :p
[12:02] <lousygarua> n00b alert, what is this katapult app launcher thing and how do i change its shortcut key?
[12:03] <kaminix> Or Parley... :)
[12:03] <Tm_T> !katapult | lousygarua
[12:03] <ubotu> lousygarua: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[12:03] <prince_jammys> lousygarua: katapult is like Alt-F2, sort of
[12:03] <prince_jammys> ok sorry i'm new to irc i have to try this. ....
[12:03] <kaminix> I never quite understood the point with Katapult when we have alt+f2 though.
[12:03] <prince_jammys> !ls | prince_jammys
[12:04] <prince_jammys> ok i got a warning
[12:04] <Tm_T> kaminix: "intelligent"
[12:04] <lousygarua> prince_jammys: Tm_T: what if i have Alt+Space mapped to a different function?
[12:04] <kaminix> Tm_T: Intelligent how?
[12:04] <prince_jammys> what is this ! thing?
[12:04] <Tm_T> lousygarua: sorry, I don't use katapult
[12:04] <Tm_T> prince_jammys: control sign for our bot
[12:04] <Tm_T> !bot
[12:04] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:05] <Tm_T> kaminix: open katapult and write "web"
[12:05] <prince_jammys> !ls
[12:05] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[12:05] <kaminix> Is there any way to redirect alt + space to alt + F2? Making them do the same thing that is.
[12:05] <prince_jammys> very nice
[12:06] <lousygarua> kaminix: i'm looking for a way
[12:06] <kaminix> Thanks lousygarua :)
[12:06] <lousygarua> kaminix: i've finally installed kubuntu-desktop on my laptop and started playing around with it :)
[12:06] <lousygarua> so... professional.
[12:07] <Aloha> lousygarua: i just installed.. i _really_ like it
[12:07] <kaminix> bug 34282
[12:07] <kaminix> Go bot!
[12:07] <lousygarua> Aloha: GNOME aims more at simplicity and KDE for being hardcore user I think
[12:07] <Tm_T> kaminix: try in query
[12:07] <Tm_T> lousygarua: no
[12:07] <lousygarua> I mean, my grandma would use GNOME rather than KDE :)
[12:08] <Aloha> lousygarua: its really intuitive i think
[12:08] <Aloha> lousygarua: kde i mean
[12:08] <Aloha> lousygarua: i just started using it and everything is really natural
[12:08] <Tm_T> lousygarua: KDE and GNOME are both for beginners and old timers, it's just matter of different approach
[12:08] <lousygarua> Tm_T: yeah i agree
[12:08] <neville> KDE :D :D :D
[12:08] <kaminix> I like KDE better than Gnome in pretty much all aspects, except that the systray messages in Gnome are better looking.
[12:11] <kaminix> There we go, now alt + space and alt + f2 does the same thing ^^
[12:11] <prince_jammys> kaminix: open katapult with alt-space, then do control-c
[12:11] <kaminix> Just unistalled katapult in favor of alt + f2
[12:11] <prince_jammys> kaminix: it should send it to the tray, where you can right click and change config
[12:12] <prince_jammys> kaminix: well, control c works but i don
[12:12] <prince_jammys> 't see where to change shortcut
[12:13] <Aloha> alt+f2 seems way quicker and more versitile
[12:13] <kaminix> Think you misunderstood me. I removed Katapult, then went into keyboard shortcuts and made alt + space an alternative to alt + f2 :)
[12:14] <prince_jammys> aloha: yeah i use alt+f2 -- only bad part is it doesnt autocomplete
[12:14] <kaminix> Autocomplete in alt + f2 would be gold.
[12:14] <prince_jammys> kaminix: gotcha, sorry
[12:14] <prince_jammys> kaminix: gnome has it
[12:14] <Aloha> prince_jammys: single program commands arn't bad though. like "firefox" or "kmail"
[12:14] <prince_jammys> Aloha: oh yeah, it's not a big deal
[12:15] <kaminix> Well, time to do some school work. :/ KWord here I come! Atleast there's some pleasure in doing the work... :p
[12:15] <kaan> which plug-in/codec should i install to watch mpg/avi files?
[12:15] <prince_jammys> Aloha: i usually just do it in yakuake anyway
[12:15] <Aloha> prince_jammys: f12 ftw
[12:15] <Aloha> prince_jammys: thats really growing on me
[12:16] <Aloha> prince_jammys: you ever use fish shell?
[12:16] <prince_jammys> Aloha: whenever i use any other computer i just keep banging f12 expecting yak
[12:16] <prince_jammys> Aloha: no
[12:16] <Aloha> prince_jammys: its pretty cool does a lot of stuff like bash but better
[12:16] <lousygarua> kaminix: for changing the alt+space thing, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=110918
[12:17] <kaan> which codec is good?
[12:17] <prince_jammys> Aloha: it's like a user friendly shell, right?
[12:17] <Aloha> prince_jammys: yeah
[12:17] <Aloha> prince_jammys: http://www.fishshell.org/ its my default shell
[12:17] <prince_jammys> Aloha: yeah i've been to that site
[12:17] <Aloha> prince_jammys: cool
[12:20] <Aloha> how do you change from gdm to kdm?
[12:20] <prince_jammys> Aloha: that i don't know ... i still use gdm
[12:20] <prince_jammys> Aloha: system-settings, i would guess
[12:21] <Aloha> prince_jammys: just found it ;)
[12:23] <spiroo> I am curious, does anybody here has an Amarok 2 which can add music to playlist/collection? And no this is not a bug report ;)
[12:24] <prince_jammys> Aloha: other stuff that's worth checking out: kdevelop (for writing software) -- kivio (easy way to make flowcharts) -- kommander (for making guis)
[12:24] <Aloha> prince_jammys: thnx
[12:24] <prince_jammys> kkk
[12:24] <prince_jammys> everything k
[12:24] <Aloha> prince_jammys: haha
[12:25] <prince_jammys> stuff is good
[12:26] <Aloha> i think kde is the future of linux... gnome is too stagnant
[12:26] <arcticpenguin380> does everyone know what linus said about gnome?
[12:26] <Aloha> arcticpenguin380: what does he say?
[12:26] <spiroo> Aloha: So do I ;)
[12:27] <prince_jammys> Aloha: one would think, but ubuntu is mostly gnome
[12:27] <arcticpenguin380> http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html
[12:27] <Aloha> prince_jammys: for now it is... it will probably change :)
[12:27] <prince_jammys> Aloha: kde  better not become the betamax of linux
[12:27] <Aloha> kde has way better integration
[12:27] <_ruben> since i restored my gpg settings from an old pc, i know have a problem in kmail that kmail totally freezes when i click on an email which has any kind of cryptography in it
[12:28] <_ruben> and for some reason i cant select my key in the identity config window
[12:28] <tzanger> good morning
[12:28] <tzanger> is anyone else's kopete crashing out with SEGV this morning when connecting to MSN?
[12:30] <Aloha> haha gnome devlopers aruging with linus about how to use linux
[12:30] <Aloha> he freaking invented linux
[12:30] <hydrogen> and so?
[12:30] <ForgeAus> omg that article is SO right about gnome
[12:31] <ForgeAus> in the first few lines
[12:31] <hydrogen> Linus has always felt the need to start trouble and give out his opinion in inflamatory ways
[12:31] <arcticpenguin380> a few days ago he called HFS+ "utter crap"
[12:32] <hydrogen> it's only "news" because he's linus
[12:32] <hydrogen> nothing to see there, move along
[12:32] <spiroo> Does someone know if you can open and edit .docx files in either open office or koffice?
[12:33] <arcticpenguin380> i wonder what will happen to linux when linus dies or retires.
[12:33] <Aloha> hydrogen: _only_? i take his opinion in very high regard.
[12:34] <arcticpenguin380> i bet AM will take over
[12:34] <hydrogen> Aloha: thats cool, that doesn't mean that a) it's correct or b) anyone else does
[12:34] <hydrogen> anyways
[12:34] <hydrogen> this channel is about support for kubuntu
[12:34] <hydrogen> not the latest thing linus said
[12:34] <hydrogen> please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:34] <Aloha> hydrogen: that article is half about kde, therefore on topic
[12:34] <Aloha> don't be a hater
[12:35] <hydrogen> no
[12:35] <hydrogen> it's not on topic
[12:35] <hydrogen> the topic is support for kubuntu
[12:36] <Aloha> your last 11 line entries didn't have anything to do with kubuntu support except for the one that said this channel's topic is about that
[12:37] <hydrogen> that's alright
[12:37] <spiroo> .docx files?
[12:37] <hydrogen> I can blame you for that
[12:37] <kaminix> spiroo: I think .docx is for the latest Microsoft Office, you'll most likely have a hard time using those.
[12:38] <hydrogen> I don't particularly see what your problem is.  You are clearly off topic for this channel, just accept it and move the discussion to a more appropriate venue (I'm sure theres a digg story about it!).  Theres no need to clutter this channel with that sillyness
[12:38] <hydrogen> I think openoffice supports it
[12:44] <_BlueCro_> hello. does any of you know why kopete crashes every time when i want to log in?
[12:46] <flipstar> hi i want to buy an s-ata controller card..can you recommend some for *ubuntu or are there working all ?
[12:51] <Briareos> what is changing my menu.lst? I've setup my pc via a disk image where the "root"-entry of the menu.lst was set to hd(0,2). But on the system it is hd(0,0). So i changed that. problem is that after updates via adept this is suddenly reset to hd(0,2) again. can you provide a hint?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> Briareos, How did you change it?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> the menu.lst file has a line like  #groot(somthing) I think.. thats where it reads it from every time update-grub is ran
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> You dont just change the auto-generated menu items
[12:52] <rodolfo> en español?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> ## default grub root device
[12:52] <Dr_Willis>  # groot=(hd0,2)
[12:52] <tzanger> is anyone else's kopete crashing out with SEGV this morning when connecting to MSN?
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> !es | rodolfo
[12:53] <ubotu> rodolfo: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[13:10] <tzd> i need help with my mouse settings or perhaps windows settings please? The active window is now controlled by where my mouse pointer are.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> tzd,  thats often called 'x-mouse' or.. somthing else.... :) heh - i forget what...
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> Not sure where kde keeps that setting.
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> it used to be  real common with some window managers ages ago.
[13:14] <tzd> Dr_Willis: ok... i'll have a look.. don't know how or when i activated this setting but hopefully I'll find it ;) Thanks
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> night all
[13:17] <tzd> yaay found it. It was called "focus"
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks  : )
[13:38] <flipstar> hi
[13:39] <ForgeAus> hey Blues n flipstar ...
[13:39] <ForgeAus> a little late
[13:40] <BluesKaj> hi ForgeAus
[13:41] <BluesKaj> it's morning here ...I imagine it's pretty late in Oz
[13:47] <Briareos> Dr_Willis isn't that commented out?
[13:49] <Briareos> or is a single '#' in the menu.lst not a comment? it never changed that from # groot=(hd0,2) to # groot=(hd0,0) ... so it could be the solution
[13:49] <Briareos> :)
[13:49] <default_> hi.  question.  Is there a way to save windows positions with Dolphin?
[13:50] <flipstar> Briareos: no # dont have to be a commend, grub parse these lines also
[13:50] <nosrednaekim> windows positions
[13:50] <nosrednaekim> ?
[13:50] <Briareos> flipstar thx
[13:50] <arcticpenguin380> is it possible to get tracker running in kubuntui
[13:51] <default_> windows positions as in when I close a kde or dolphin window it opens next time at the position I last closed it at
[13:51] <Briareos> Dr_Willis thanks for your help. I am sorry I gotta leave to a meeting now, so I cannot stay until your response, but I am pretty sure that your suggestion is the solution
[13:51] <Briareos> bye
[13:51] <prince_jammys> arcticpenguin380: my guess is through system-settings (or kcontrol)->services, but i'm not sure.  there's also strigi, kde's tracker
[13:54] <niall> if you download source using apt, how do you get rid of it?
[13:55] <ForgeAus> if you donwload anything with apt its generally a .deb package
[13:55] <default_> niall: maybe manuallly?  no expert answer from me.
[13:55] <ForgeAus> I don't know much about if there are or not source .deb's but you can simply delete the .deb file
[13:55] <ForgeAus> (apt keeps a cache its probably easier to erase the cache using apt's commands)
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> niall➜ manually, since they are downloaded to wherever you are when you run the command
[13:56] <default_> is there any answer on KDE saving window's positions?
[13:56] <arcticpenguin380> do symbolic links to execituables a security risk
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[13:57] <flipstar> default_: the window position should be saved by default..
[13:57] <nosrednaekim> default_➜ yes, right click on a window's titel bar and select widow preferences or something like that, and then mess arund with the settings, it in there somewhere
[13:58] <default_> ok will look.  thx.  trying now.
[14:03] <MartinCleaver> Hi - I have booted the amd64bit 7.1 live CD - and am in the process of wanting to install
[14:04] <jpatrick> hi MartinCleaver
[14:04] <MartinCleaver> I have one 500gb disk on the drive, it hosts Centos 5.1, and a lot of content I need to keep
[14:04] <MartinCleaver> Hi jpatrick
[14:04] <default_> I made a "window specific setting" that saves the windows positions is this proper for making KDE save windows positions/size?
[14:04] <MartinCleaver> In Step 4, it asks Guided vs. Manual
[14:05] <jpatrick> MartinCleaver: do you not keep your files on a seperate partition?
[14:06] <MartinCleaver> Most of my files are on a NAS box, but I have a bunch of Virtual Machines that are on the local 500gb disk
[14:06] <arcticpenguin380> are symbolic links safe?
[14:06] <MartinCleaver> I did partition the 500gb
[14:06] <jpatrick> arcticpenguin380: yes
[14:06] <prince_jammys> arcticpenguin380: what do you mean safe?
[14:07] <default_> artic wouldn't the same user that makes a symbolic link be the same owner of the fiel being linked?  in general!
[14:07]  * MartinCleaver runs qparted to look at the disk again
[14:07] <default_> like wouldn't links have ownership attributes as well?
[14:07] <arcticpenguin380> link to a program so it starts automaticly at start up
[14:08] <MartinCleaver> ok, so sda1 ext3 100mb, sda2 465gb - unmounted. I *think* my virtual machines are on the sda2
[14:08] <flipstar> symlinks have no permissions
[14:08] <MartinCleaver> but I'd need to mount sda2 to be sure
[14:09] <MartinCleaver> they are managed using the LVM
[14:09] <MartinCleaver> I'd like to dual boot for now
[14:10] <MartinCleaver> so will Guided - use entire disk give me the option to dual boot?
[14:13]  * MartinCleaver waits patiently
[14:14] <default_> oh well it's now remembering windows positions I left thm at.  In windows behaviour it's set to smart positioning and there's no open to individualise the position save.
[14:15] <default_> I must admit Kubuntu is much nicer than previous verisons, but it's not upto the level of going mainstream yet, as in user friendlyness.  Too much bash fixing needed for average joe.
[14:16] <default_> kde4 looks great.
[14:19] <flipstar> MartinCleaver: grub should automaticly detect a second os
[14:19] <flipstar> i never used the guided one so i cant say anything about that
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> default_, depends if you got harware from the HCL or not
[14:20] <default_> yep that's a point, then it's pretty much setup properly
[14:20] <da_didi> I justed downloaded and burned the kubunut latest desktop version and the "check cd media" complains about a broken package and the install fails.. known issue?
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> da_didi, did you md5 check the download before you burned?
[14:20] <default_> did you verify the burn Da-did?
[14:21] <MartinCleaver> so, flipstar, if I tell it to use the Entire DIsk, it won't mess with the Centos install?
[14:21] <da_didi> of course not :/
[14:21] <default_> heheh
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> MartinCleaver, if you give the installer unpartitioned space then it will spot it and offer to use it for your Kubuntu install
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> da_didi, then there is your issue. Downloads are not 100% foolproof
[14:23] <default_> the installer is fantastic now. tHe onyl problem I have with it is that if you don't have fast internet then the packages still try to download at the speed with no way to stop without killing install.
[14:23] <MartinCleaver> ok, so my disk has two partitions: qtparted can see 100mb /boot + 465gb unmounted
[14:23] <MartinCleaver> I have used the unmounted disk for sure
[14:23] <MartinCleaver> but I don't know why the live cd has not mounted it
[14:24] <da_didi> the installer also shows some issue about PCI, api.. /var/log/messages also shows somethings with perl and api
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> MartinCleaver, mount it yourself :)
[14:24] <default_> I've got ADSL2 but if I go over limits in month, I get shaped to 56K and this is why it failed for me instlaling.  I had to remove the lan cable to make it skipt he process.
[14:24] <da_didi> i will retry
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> da_didi, you could even use one off a Linux Format or whatnot
[14:25] <default_> martin try fusermount -u <mountdev>
[14:25] <MartinCleaver> root@ubuntu:~# fusermount -u /dev/sda2
[14:25] <MartinCleaver> umount: /dev/sda2: not mounted
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> MartinCleaver, are you logged in as root?
[14:26] <MartinCleaver> I 'sudo su' d
[14:26] <flipstar> you have to give umount the mount directory not the device ..
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> MartinCleaver, are you on the live cd?
[14:26] <da_didi> yeah, the md5 sums don't match
[14:26] <MartinCleaver> yes, live DVD
[14:26] <default_> hehehhe da
[14:26] <MartinCleaver> amd 64bit
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> MartinCleaver, cool, just checkin. running stuff as root (specially web apps) is insane
[14:27] <senorpedro> i have a new creative zen pplayer and it doesnt mount under kubuntu. i tried the new mtp-tools and also kzenexchange, but no success. also in amarok there is no recognition of the player. is it even possible to use the new creative zen player (8gb) under linux?
[14:27] <MartinCleaver> ok, thanks ActionParsnip
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> senorpedro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=657686
[14:28] <MartinCleaver> so what mount command should I use?
[14:28] <MartinCleaver> I know when I am in Centos it says it is managed using LVM
[14:28] <default_> senorpedro do you know what protocol it uses over the usb?
[14:29] <flipstar> MartinCleaver:  sudo mkdir /media/sda2;sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/sda2
[14:29] <flipstar> where sda2 is your drive to mount
[14:29] <senorpedro> default_: no, i have no idea
[14:29] <MartinCleaver> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
[14:30] <flipstar> what filesystem is it ?
[14:30] <default_> senorpedro: if it's simply a storage access then it would be strange why it's not seeing it.  if it's another protocl then you ened to find out and give the ability for os to read it.
[14:31] <MartinCleaver> its whatever Centos installed, something like a "Linux Volume Manager" volume
[14:31] <default_> senorpedro: I'm not expert.
[14:32] <ActionParsnip> senorpedro, if you dont mind having gnome libs installed you can use gnomad, it seems to work :(
[14:32] <default_> senorpedro:  http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22zen%22+%22creative%22+%22protocol%22+%22filesystem%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> senorpedro, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/creative-zen-touch-with-plays-for-sure-on-kubuntu-is...a-camera-518976/
[14:34] <senorpedro> ActionParsnip: i also tried gnomad but no success
[14:34] <MartinCleaver> adept does not seem to know about LVM
[14:35] <da_didi> uhm
[14:35] <da_didi> my kubuntu session is locked.. what is the default password?
[14:36] <cee> hi, i have an laptop(thinkpad z61m) that freezes often completely when i run heavy cpu tasks in matlab or other programs. there is nothing in the logs..
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> senorpedro, id google dude. Im on it myself :)
[14:36] <default_> can someone recomend a smtp server and client please?  I want to run my own email server and readed it directly on desktop?  I used mail-enable/outlook before killing Vista.
[14:36] <da_didi> (okay, another session was open for passwd..)
[14:37] <prince_jammys> default_: client: kmail works
[14:37] <MartinCleave1> That machine just crashed :(
[14:37] <martijn> can i just install kubuntu on a imac?
[14:37] <default_> thx prince.
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> senorpedro, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-May/016423.html
[14:38] <prince_jammys> default_: np, i believe it's packaged with kubuntu
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> martijn, yeah but i think there are issues with wifi and you need ndiswrapper
[14:39] <default_> yep it's running.  checking out now, thx.
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> senorpedro, http://www.larryni.me.uk/blog/2007/03/25/sync-creative-zen-vision-m-on-ubuntu/
[14:39] <AbortD> is it possible to run gimp under kde?
[14:39] <senorpedro> AbortD: yes
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, absolutely :)
[14:39] <martijn> AbortD: yes it is, you just need to install some extra packages
[14:39] <AbortD> nice nice thats what i like to hear i havent used ubuntu or kub in a few years
[14:39] <senorpedro> AbortD: you can run _all_ linux programm under every Desktop
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, sudo apt-get install gimp
[14:40] <MartinCleave1> I looked for lvm and kubuntu - the live DVD didn't seem to mention it in adept but googling had something
[14:40] <martijn> ActionParsnip: i don' t use wifi anyways, so that' s cool
[14:40] <default_> alos another lamer questiion.  what directory is the one for placing linsk to auto start at boot?
[14:40] <AbortD> thats what i was thinking
[14:40] <default_> I want Kget to start up when system starts.
[14:40] <AbortD> i love kubuntu for super karamba
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> default_, ~/.kde/Aitostart
[14:40] <default_> thx.
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> *autostart
[14:40] <AbortD> but i love most of the prgrams gnome has
[14:41] <AbortD> especially gimp
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> Abort if you are running Kubuntu but want gnome apps yu install the gnome libs
[14:41] <AbortD> alright
[14:41] <AbortD> ah
[14:41] <AbortD> i did that last time
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, some people will even dual boot to keep kde and gnome seperate
[14:41] <AbortD> and my linux was flooded with kde and gnome apps
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, but its ok to mix (just takes more space)
[14:41] <AbortD> thats what i was thinking about
[14:42] <AbortD> but i dont want my hard drive to have 4 partitions
[14:42] <AbortD> i have one for linux windows and a backup
[14:42] <AbortD> as it is
[14:42] <AbortD> i hear it slows the hard drive down
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> i just have Kubuntu
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, nar it doesnt affect speed
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, unless you start reading between partitions on the same drive
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, then it does
[14:43] <AbortD> hm would 2 gigs be enough for gnome?
[14:43] <AbortD> reading between partitions?
[14:43] <martijn> note that there also is krita instead of the gimp, i believe not that advanced but hey it is for kde
[14:43] <AbortD> gimp = god
[14:44] <martijn> ActionParsnip: how would i partition my disk? can kubuntu partition the macos file system?
[14:44] <MartinCleave1> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas mentions LVM
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> AbortD, yeah so if you copy from Kubuntu to your backup partition on the same drive it will take longer than drive to a different physical drive
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> martijn, not sure
[14:45] <MartinCleave1>  LVM (Logical volume management) tool. This would be a great "would be a great addition if kubuntu sets LVM by default on install."
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> martijn, Ive never messed with mac. I think they are overpriced for my needs
[14:45] <AbortD> oh thats no problem
[14:45] <Sbucat> well i have a problem with konversation when i click on a link it load konqueror for kde4 and then it crashes
[14:45] <AbortD> im going to make 2 gig or 3 gigs for gnome
[14:46] <ruata> hello room
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Sbucat, what is your default web browser
[14:46] <martijn> ActionParsnip: they are, but i wanted some joy in my life
[14:46] <Sbucat> ActionParsnip: konqueror
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> martijn, get an eee pc :)
[14:46]  * MartinCleave1 has an eeepc
[14:46] <AbortD> and do my partition order as swap kde gnome windows backup
[14:46] <default_> senorpedro: did you see ; http://libnjb.sourceforge.net/
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Sbucat, run konversation from konsole and watch the output while it is running and you click a link
[14:47] <MartinCleave1> ok - back in 30
[14:47] <Sbucat> ActionParsnip: nice idea
[14:47] <MartinCleave1> thanks for all your help
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> np dude
[14:47] <AbortD> oh one more question before i begin install
[14:47] <senorpedro> default_: thx, i'll try that too later
[14:47] <AbortD> i can partition with the installer right?
[14:47] <prince_jammys> yes
[14:47] <AbortD> if i remember right i could before
[14:47] <AbortD> alright thanks u all have fun
[14:48] <prince_jammys> bye
[14:48] <Sbucatone> ActionParsnip: nothing it loads but then in konsole i have nothing
[14:48] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$ konversation
[14:48] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$
[14:48] <Sbucatone> and konversation is loaded
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> so click this
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> www.google.co.uk
[14:49] <Sbucatone> xD
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> whats it do?
[14:49] <Sbucatone> i can see icons jumping
[14:49] <Sbucatone> still jumping
[14:50] <Sbucatone> now nothing
[14:50] <Sbucatone> it looks like is close itself
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, what does it say in konsole?
[14:51] <Sbucatone> ActionParsnip: nothing
[14:51] <Sbucatone> because when i load konversation
[14:51] <Sbucatone> it loads konversation and then i get this
[14:51] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$ konversation
[14:51] <Sbucatone> [15:48] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$
[14:51] <default_> senorpedro: also try ; http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=compatibility
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, are you runing it with & or not?
[14:52] <Sbucatone> so
[14:52] <Sbucatone> what do you mean ActionParsnip
[14:52] <martijn> ActionParsnip: what is an eeepc?
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> at the end of your command do you put a '&'
[14:52] <Sbucatone> no
[14:52] <Sbucatone> ups
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> martijn, its a wonderful laptop, get googling
[14:53] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$ konversation &
[14:53] <Sbucatone> [1] 24248
[14:53] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$
[14:53] <martijn> ActionParsnip: what can go better than thinkpad T61?
[14:53] <Sbucatone> ok i get this
[14:53] <Sbucatone> Sbucatone@ll:~$ konversation &
[14:53] <Sbucatone> [2] 24251
[14:53] <Sbucatone> [1]   Done                    konversation
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> martijn, pretty much anything from www.voodoopc.com
[14:53] <Sbucatone> bucatone@ll:~$
[14:53] <default_> does ntfs-3g have a 'noauto' option?
[14:54] <aharoon> hi iwas trying to stop compiz fusion i run the command kwin --replace it finish parsing the config file and stop it give me thhe error compsite manager crashed twice in  a minute therefor disapled for this session
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, yes that runs it in the background and gives you control of the konsole again
[14:54] <Sbucatone> ActionParsnip: that is the issue i can't ckeck nothing because it gives me control of the konsole again
[14:54] <Sbucatone> sigh and sob
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, if you run it without it should  give system outputs
[14:55] <default_> other words how do I mount a ntfs usb drive and have it hotswap the mount?
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, what does it say for your default browser?
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, in konversation
[14:56] <senorpedro> thx guys, you were a great help :)
[14:56] <default_> "/dev/sdc1 /media/dockinghd01 ntfs-3g defaults 0 0" isn't working and I can't see in --help any options for noauto.  removing 'defautls' and putting noauto doesn't work
[14:56] <Sbucatone> ActionParsnip: i have installed kde4 , and after that when i click on a link it try to open konqueror for kde4 and for some time it worked , after some update it doesn't work anymore
[14:56] <hs^> Hello, i saw a bug fix here in a package, it says:  This bug was fixed in the package qt4-x11 - 4.3.3-0ubuntu3
[14:56] <default_> np seno
[14:57] <hs^> does that mean if you download the package now, you get the fix?
[14:57] <Sbucatone> ActionParsnip: i don't know where i can check default browser for konversation do you know something
[14:57] <Sbucatone> ?
[14:57] <Sbucatone> ActionParsnip: now i am using kde3 but i have that problem
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> Sbucatone, check in tools -> options
[14:58] <Sbucatone> xD
[14:58] <aharoon> i was trying to stop compiz fusion i run commund kwin --replace it hang and cradshed
[14:58] <default_> Do I still need ntfs-3g to have writable hd's? or will ntfs do it now?
[14:58] <hs^> ?
[14:59] <SlimeyPete> you still need ntfs-3g
[14:59] <ForgeAus> yeah NTFS requires FUSE mounting
[14:59] <ForgeAus> for read/write
[15:00] <default_> is fuse newer than 3g?
[15:00] <aharoon> i want to stop compiz what i have 2do?
[15:00] <ForgeAus> 3g employs FUSE mounting
[15:00] <default_> ok I thought fuse was backend
[15:00] <ForgeAus> I don't know whic project started first but they're used to compliment eachother
[15:01] <default_> oh
[15:01] <ForgeAus> basically default yes it is a backend, I think... or something like that
[15:01] <ForgeAus> FUSE can be used for lots of things not just NTFS
[15:02] <default_> I've got a problem with my usb drive, which is ntfs, is not dismountingin hotswapping.  any ideas why not?
[15:03] <ForgeAus> um I don't know much about hotswap but generally you unmount a usb drive before disconnecting don't you?
[15:03] <ForgeAus> perhaps a file is open on the partition still?
[15:03] <default_> I jsut turned it off.
[15:03] <default_> I thought the noauto mode would handle the persistent nature
[15:04]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[15:04] <aharoon> anyone help me to disaple compiz fusion i try the command kwin --replace it hung
[15:04] <ForgeAus> disable or uninstall?
[15:05] <prince_jammys> aharoon: kwin --replace is the only way i know, sorry
[15:05] <aharoon> disable
[15:05]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[15:05] <aharoon> ok is it take too long time??
[15:05] <prince_jammys> aharoon: it blanks out for a bit,but shouldnt take too long
[15:06] <coolbhavi> Hi all.. Fresh error while ripping CD's in k3b
[15:06] <aharoon> ok thanks
[15:06] <prince_jammys> aharoon: i get a blank screen for about 2 seconds
[15:06] <ForgeAus> you can probably remove the service from init.d (I think theres a command to do that) and/or change the desktop defaults?
[15:06] <coolbhavi> More info: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55848/
[15:06] <coolbhavi> Any info?
[15:06] <ForgeAus> coolb generalyl ripping from CD's is illegal
[15:06] <MartinCleave1> looks like kubuntu 6 had an alternate cd for lvm installs, but kubuntu 7 doesn't. Surely this means Gutsy should have lvm support?
[15:06] <default_> hehe I'm slowly getting the system working.  hehe.  I  only have the docking to fix, try to get canon 600f scanner workng,  get email server going, and install FASM for programming.  I'm pretty impressed at Kubuntu though.  It's at a stage where I can say I'm not going back to win32
[15:07] <aharoon> it give finished parsing the config file the it stop after that it didnt give me new line
[15:07] <ForgeAus> I think lvm was built into Feisty and probably gutsy too
[15:07] <ForgeAus> !lvm
[15:07] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[15:07] <MartinCleave1> thanks ForgeAus
[15:08] <coolbhavi> >ForgeAus I m ripping a movie here in India..
[15:09] <coolbhavi> >ForgeAus Any info?
[15:09] <MartinCleave1> doesn't mention ubuntu on the lvm one
[15:10] <MartinCleave1> the other one looks like a software raid, but I have only one disk in that box
[15:10] <da_didi> nice.. the 3rd burned cd is still working..
[15:11] <coolbhavi> >ForgeAus Its my own birthday clippings.. ;-) There is no restriction on this I suppose..
[15:11] <default_> good to hear da_didi
[15:11] <vigge_sWe> hello
[15:11] <default_> hi vigge_sWe
[15:12] <vigge_sWe> I am new to kubuntu, I have used windows all my life, so how do I install something?
[15:12] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: one way is "add-remove programs" just like windows
[15:12] <vigge_sWe> can I add firefox from there?
[15:13] <SlimeyPete> yes
[15:13] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: yeah
[15:13] <vigge_sWe> I can't run adept...
[15:13] <default_> is KDE4 usable?  I tried it but I couldn't install anything.  like no apt.  Can I upgrade now and all works still in new api's?
[15:13] <SlimeyPete> you can add lots of stuff from there.
[15:13] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: why not?
[15:13] <vigge_sWe> It say all the time it's already running
[15:14] <vigge_sWe> or "another proccess is using the packaging database" or something
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> default_: if you upgrade, some things won't work in KDE4.
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix | vigge_sWe
[15:14] <default_> has anyone gone kde4 yet?
[15:14] <SlimeyPete> hrm, bot's being slow
[15:15] <jussi01> !adeptfix
[15:15] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:15] <vigge_sWe> yes I upgraded but kubuntu couldn't install all because something was wrong, I don't remember. Then it said something I should run a "adept-package"
[15:15] <jussi01> SlimeyPete: you got it while indexing I assume
[15:15] <SlimeyPete> ah, maybe
[15:15] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: did you try what ubotu says above?
[15:16] <vigge_sWe> no I can't find out
[15:16] <vigge_sWe> it says "command not found"
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> what are you typing in?
[15:16] <vigge_sWe> « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> erm, without the << and >> :
[15:16] <jussi01> vigge_sWe: remove the << >>
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> :)
[15:16] <default_> hehe
[15:17] <default_> has anyone gone kde4 yet?
[15:17] <PknBst4> me
[15:17] <default_> as in are power users going kde4 yet?
[15:17] <jussi01> default_: lots of people - support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:17] <prince_jammys> default_: not i
[15:17] <default_> is it working PknBst4
[15:18] <SlimeyPete> default_: I did, briefly. Hardly anything worked properly so I came bck to kde3.
[15:18] <vigge_sWe> what should I choose?
[15:18] <jussi01> vigge_sWe: where?
[15:18]  * hydrogen has been using soley kde4 for a while
[15:18] <vigge_sWe> in the terminal
[15:18] <default_> k that's answers the question.  I dont' need the problems whilst getting back into linux.
[15:18] <jussi01> vigge_sWe: no, what is it asking?
[15:18] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: what question is it asking?
[15:19] <vigge_sWe> oops I accidentaly pressed enter
[15:19] <vigge_sWe> Im used to cmd
[15:19] <vigge_sWe> you copy with enter
[15:19] <vigge_sWe> Konfigurationsfil "/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc" ==> Den fil som nu finns skapades av dig eller ett skript. ==> Paketansvariges version finns även i paketet du installerar.   Vad vill du göra åt det?  Dina möjligheter är:   Y eller I: installera paketansvariges version   N eller O: behåll din nu installerade version      D     : visa skillnaderna mellan versionerna      Z     : lägg denna process i bakgrunden för att u
[15:19] <vigge_sWe> *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [förval=N] ?
[15:19] <vigge_sWe> it's in swedish ...
[15:19] <jussi01> !paste | vigge_sWe
[15:19] <ubotu> vigge_sWe: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:20] <vigge_sWe> oo ok
[15:20] <PknBst4> irssi the best :)
[15:20] <jussi01> vigge_sWe: your grand, that choice should be fine
[15:21] <vigge_sWe> it worked yey!
[15:21] <jussi01> :)
[15:22] <vigge_sWe> omg! where do I find all those games under the games tag?
[15:23] <Qrawl> !IE
[15:23] <ubotu> For Irish whiskey and ubuntu support, visit #ubuntu-ie, Ta an uisce beatha agus cuidiú Ubuntu ar #ubuntu-ie, Béag fáilte ort
[15:23] <vigge_sWe> is everything installed???
[15:23] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: you just install them, they'll be automatically downloaded
[15:23] <vigge_sWe> oooo
[15:23] <Qrawl> !internet explorer
[15:23] <vigge_sWe> Can I install firefox from there?
[15:23] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: no, they are downloaded from a repository and automatically downloaded
[15:24] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: yes to the firefox question
[15:24] <vigge_sWe> I did that but I don't know how I should install it
[15:24] <vigge_sWe> oh ok
[15:24] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: what are you using? adept?
[15:24] <vigge_sWe> yes
[15:24] <default_> OT what's the command to change your name in IRC, again?
[15:25] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: do "mark for installation" with anything you want to install and then apply
[15:25] <vigge_sWe> ooo easier than windows
[15:25] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: you can install a bunch of things at once
[15:25] <vigge_sWe> cool
[15:25] <ForgeAus> default /nick <insert newnick here>
[15:25] <vigge_sWe> Is apache there??
[15:25] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: yes
[15:25] <IceBlock> thx Forge
[15:25] <vigge_sWe> yey!
[15:25] <installer> guys trying to get compiz to work here
[15:26] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: apache, php, perl, mysql you name it
[15:26] <vigge_sWe> wow
[15:26] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: no photoshop :)
[15:26] <installer> nvidia FX15000
[15:26] <vigge_sWe> It works on virtualbox, right?
[15:26] <ForgeAus> installer thats what kwin4 is for, no need for compiz :)
[15:26] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: get "wine"
[15:26] <vigge_sWe> I have photoshop outside virtualbox :)
[15:26] <vigge_sWe> I have windows
[15:26] <ForgeAus> me to vigge :)
[15:26] <vigge_sWe> I run kubuntu as windows as host
[15:27] <ForgeAus> Vigge ever heard of AndLinux?
[15:27] <vigge_sWe> no
[15:27] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: i don't know virtualbox
[15:27] <ForgeAus> google it
[15:27] <ForgeAus> its not virtualized but its similar I guess
[15:27] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: but i run photoshop in linux with wine
[15:27] <ForgeAus> interop Windows + linux :)
[15:27] <installer> forgeaus what u talking about? kwin4 is a game no
[15:27] <ForgeAus> (from within Windows of course)
[15:27] <ForgeAus> installer yeah that too
[15:28] <ForgeAus> but I meant kwin from KDE4
[15:28] <vigge_sWe> prince_jammys: it's a virtual pc, it creates a virtual harddrive on windows there you can install kubuntu, mac, vista, nearly every os
[15:28] <vigge_sWe> I installed kubuntu in 3 minutes
[15:28] <installer> forgeaus you are saying to upgrade to kde4?
[15:28] <vigge_sWe> I still have windows xp running and I can use windows xp at the same time
[15:28] <prince_jammys> vigge_sWe: oh, sort of like wine, but backwards
[15:28] <ForgeAus> well not necessarily upgrade
[15:29] <ForgeAus> but perhaps run alongside?
[15:29] <ForgeAus> Xnest it if you must :)
[15:29] <ForgeAus> Wine is not a virtualizer or an emulator
[15:29] <ForgeAus> its a compatibility layer
[15:30] <prince_jammys> ForgeAus: i know, i meant its use can be similar
[15:30] <ForgeAus> installer you can always Xnest (although these days its called Xephyr) your KDE4 if you like
[15:30] <vigge_sWe> ehhh
[15:30] <ForgeAus> (or if your brave Xephyr your KDE3)
[15:31] <installer> forgeaus i dont understand what you mean. i have kubuntu 7.10 how do i get the 3d windows that compiz has?
[15:31] <vigge_sWe> hi again
[15:31] <ForgeAus> installer I don't know what desktop effects kwin has in KDE4 but you don't need compiz for them thats all I'm saying
[15:32] <Qrawl> how do you install IE6
[15:32] <vigge_sWe> I got logged out for some reason
[15:32] <Qrawl> !IE6
[15:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ie6 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:32] <ForgeAus> ies4linux Qrawl
[15:32] <Qrawl> ty
[15:32] <ForgeAus> google it
[15:32] <vigge_sWe> Adept is saying I should insert gutsy gibbons, should I mount it with VirtualBox then?
[15:32] <kaan> i need help, i cannot find firefox on kubuntu :S
[15:32] <installer> damn this linux crap is hard. go WINDOWS!!!
[15:32] <ForgeAus> thats because it isn't installed by default kaan, at least I don't htink it is
[15:33] <kaan> it says its installed but i dunno where it is
[15:33] <installer> everything is a fuckin chore here
[15:33] <Qrawl> ForgeAus, I have it but Im getting a NOGui errer
[15:33] <vigge_sWe> It's easy when you find the installer thing :)
[15:33] <kaan> when i check the packet manager
[15:33] <kaan> it says its installed
[15:33]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[15:33] <kaan> then i also installed version 3.0
[15:33] <ForgeAus> not sure why Qrawk
[15:33] <kaan> its still noth there :S
[15:33] <ForgeAus> grr damn typos
[15:33] <kaan> any help
[15:33] <kaan> ?
[15:33] <prince_jammys> kaan: what do you mena it's not there?
[15:33] <ForgeAus> installer linux takes time and some work yes but its not all hard
[15:34] <kaan> its not under the internet menu
[15:34] <kthakore> how do I install raptor-menu for kde 4 also how do I turn on compiz in kde 4
[15:34] <kaan> i dunno where else it would be...
[15:34] <ForgeAus> !kde4
[15:34] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:34] <prince_jammys> kaan: can you do ALT-F2 and then type firefox?
[15:34] <installer> yeah really how does someone get freaking compiz to work on this bith
[15:34] <installer> bitch
[15:34] <kaan> couldnt find the command...
[15:34] <ForgeAus> you could go to #compiz-fusion kthakore
[15:35] <prince_jammys> installer: getting compiz to work can indeed be a bitch
[15:35] <prince_jammys> kaan: alt-F2, and in the box: firefox
[15:35] <ForgeAus> installer what video card do you have?
[15:35] <kaan> yep i did it
[15:35] <installer> thats the only reason i switched to this freaking thing.
[15:35] <kaan> its not working
[15:35] <kthakore> ForgeAus, nw
[15:35] <installer> nvidia 15000
[15:35] <installer> quadro fx
[15:35] <kaan> it says couldn't find the specified command
[15:35] <ForgeAus> !nvidia
[15:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:36] <kthakore> How do I install the KDE4 Development Packages libkde-dev?
[15:36] <ForgeAus> that may be why compiz isn't working
[15:36] <prince_jammys> kaan: try reinstalling
[15:36] <kaan> ok
[15:36] <ForgeAus> if you've done that then #compiz-fusion should be able to help better than I can
[15:36] <prince_jammys> kaan: or i guess installing, since it doesn't seem to be there
[15:36] <kthakore> ForgeAus, I already have compiz working for gnome ubnut
[15:36] <kthakore> ForgeAus, Just want to know how to enable it in kde
[15:37] <MrJigsaw> When i did->  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 -> What do i need to write in fstab to make it remeber it ?
[15:37] <ForgeAus> Kthakore yeah well I don't know I've never actually had it working before personally
[15:37] <kaan> what exactly should i search for in the packet manager for firefox???
[15:37] <kthakore> ok then ...
[15:37] <ForgeAus> I'm sure you can do it tho
[15:37] <prince_jammys> kaan: firefox :)
[15:37] <kaan> lol ok
[15:37] <ForgeAus> I just don't have enough experience with it
[15:37] <kaan> and which one should i install
[15:37] <kaan> 3.0?
[15:37] <kaan> or mozilla english package? :S
[15:38] <ForgeAus> I'd go ask the people in #compiz-fusion myself which is why I directed you guys there
[15:38] <^CatMan^> how do i make kdm my default window manager rather than gdm?
[15:38] <prince_jammys> kaan: there's a package named plain "firefox"
[15:38] <IceBlock> I installed firefox 3 and it wouldn't start.  I ahd to put in ver 2
[15:38] <ForgeAus> also installer, if your still there, compiz is no good reason to get linux...
[15:38] <ForgeAus> however I have to admit it is nice eyecandy :)
[15:38] <kaan> aha gotcha :D silly questions i know ... sorry... new to linux kubuntu
[15:38] <prince_jammys> kaan: another way (after closing adept) is in a terminal: "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[15:39] <prince_jammys> kaan: np
[15:39] <kaan> ok thank you
[15:39] <amal> hi
[15:39] <Qrawl> ForgeAus, ok ies4linux is working with the --no-gui option
[15:40] <amal> i want 2 install real player
[15:40] <ForgeAus> Qrawl I'm not sure that it shouldh ave been necessary Qrawl, but I'm glad that it is working at least
[15:40] <MrJigsaw> No one can help me ?
[15:40] <ForgeAus> !fstab
[15:40] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[15:40] <MrJigsaw> I did read that, but cant figure out what to set in :S
[15:41] <ForgeAus> MrJigsaw I generally tend to model my fstab entries on the other ones already there
[15:41] <da_didi> adeapt reports errors when upgrade an fresh installation.. the update tells me there are updates and some steps later i have the latest system and the upgrade restarts... i recall why i didn't install *buntu last time on my desktop :/
[15:41] <ForgeAus> btw as type is ntfs you want to fuse mount so check out that stuff
[15:41] <ForgeAus> !fuse
[15:41] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[15:42] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if fstab uses "fuse" as a type or not tho
[15:42] <amal> want 2 install real playe
[15:42] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: an example   "/dev/sda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=227     0       0"
[15:42] <da_didi> after a reboot is still a process blocking the database..
[15:42] <amal> want 2 install real player
[15:42] <ForgeAus> ok MrJigsaw you might find http://www.debuntu.org/2006/04/27/39-mounting-a-fuse-filesystem-form-etcfstab more helpful
[15:43] <ForgeAus> oh wait Prince stepped in with an answer :)
[15:43] <jussi01> !adeptfix | da_didi
[15:43] <ubotu> da_didi: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:43] <ForgeAus> besides the article was old, for dapper (possibly still relevant tho)
[15:43] <ForgeAus> wb vigge :)
[15:43] <vigge_sWe> hi again
[15:43] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: so /dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1    ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=227     0       0 <- Should be it ?
[15:43] <vigge_sWe> I have problem installing
[15:43] <ForgeAus> what kinda problem vigge?
[15:44] <vigge_sWe> It says I should mount gutsy gibbons and when I do kubuntu is starting from cd and I can't install firefox
[15:44] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: in your case i guess /dev/sdb1 /wherever/you're mounting it/     ntfs-3g      uid=your_id,gid=same, umask 227    0     0
[15:44] <vigge_sWe> cd=mount for me
[15:44] <vigge_sWe> eh
[15:44] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: 227 is rw-rw----
[15:45] <vigge_sWe> I don't get it :S
[15:45] <prince_jammys> i mean r-xr-x---
[15:45] <ForgeAus> kubuntu starting from CD?
[15:45] <vigge_sWe> no
[15:45] <vigge_sWe> I have a ISO
[15:45] <kaan> oh and how can I watch windows codecs with kaffein?
[15:45] <vigge_sWe> yes
[15:45] <ForgeAus> ok well its basically a liveCD iso right?
[15:45] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: okay.. now ive wrote in: /dev/sdb1 /wherever/you're mounting it/     ntfs-3g      uid=your_id,gid=same, umask 227    0     0 - So i hope it work :)
[15:45] <MrJigsaw> no shit
[15:45] <ForgeAus> you want it to boot from the HDD right?
[15:45] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: correction: 227 is r-xr-x---
[15:45] <vigge_sWe> yes but I haven't burned it to a cd
[15:45] <vigge_sWe> yes
[15:45] <kaan> which codec should i install?
[15:45] <da_didi> okay, worked.. thanks jussi01(i see its a common problem still..)
[15:45] <ForgeAus> to do that eject the iso (or whatever you do disconnect in VMware, etc)
[15:46] <ForgeAus> and reboot, if that doesn't work then reinsert the iso
[15:46] <MrJigsaw> /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1/     ntfs-3g      uid=your_id,gid=same, umask 227    0     0 <- thats what i wrote in
[15:46] <ForgeAus> boot from it and read !grub
[15:46] <ForgeAus> !grub
[15:46] <vigge_sWe> but if I do that I can't install firefox
[15:46] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[15:46] <jussi01> da_didi: yeah, hopefully fixed next release
[15:46] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: hehe
[15:46] <ForgeAus> vigge you can when it boots from the HDD
[15:46] <vigge_sWe> but it doesen't
[15:46] <ForgeAus> (rather than the .iso)
[15:46] <kaan> prince_jammys: which codec should i install?
[15:46] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: put  in your uid
[15:46] <vigge_sWe> it boots from the iso
[15:46] <MrJigsaw> uid ?
[15:47] <ForgeAus> grrr its not at the moment because it doesn't start independantly right?
[15:47] <default_p> MrJigsaw: you need to set upt he drive to read first then change the string in fstab so that ntfs reads ntfs-3g
[15:47] <ForgeAus> if you eject the iso and try booting what happens?
[15:47] <MrJigsaw> i did mount the drive to /media/sdb1, default_p..
[15:47] <ForgeAus> it asks for gutsy right?
[15:47] <vigge_sWe> it boots normal without firefox I apparently installed inside the iso...
[15:48] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: in a terminal, do    echo $UID
[15:48] <default_p> I had the same problem with getting write mode.  I installed ntfs-3g from the website, not the repository
[15:48] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: it's probably 1000
[15:48] <ForgeAus> vigge the .iso by default is likely to be a LiveCD one that you can boot up into your OS with independantly of the HDD
[15:48] <MrJigsaw> Yes, its 1000 prince_jammys
[15:48] <MrJigsaw> so uid=1000 ?
[15:48] <ForgeAus> (ie stick it in ur cd drive and reboot your computer you don't even need a HDD...
[15:48] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: right, and gid=1000
[15:49] <ForgeAus> but doing that means you can't install stuff because its all running .. I think in ram?? or at elast some non-installable filesystem)
[15:49] <vigge_sWe> But I use VirtualBox to mount the ISO from my windows harddrive that is on same hardrive as kubuntu but kubunu is inside a .VDI file
[15:49] <MrJigsaw> So its like this prince_jammys; uid=1000,gid=1000, ?
[15:49] <ForgeAus> you need it ON THE HDD and booting from there (instead of the LiveCD)
[15:49] <ForgeAus> vigge you have a virtual hard drive right?
[15:49] <ForgeAus> a hardfile?
[15:49] <ForgeAus> a .VHD or whatever Virtaulbox calls them?
[15:49] <vigge_sWe> yes
[15:49] <ForgeAus> thats where you install it on
[15:50] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw:  /dev/sdb1       /media/sdb1       ntfs-3g     uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=227     0       0
[15:50] <ForgeAus> so from the .iso while its booted (from the CD inside the vm, outside to you its the .iso)
[15:50] <MrJigsaw> yes
[15:50] <ForgeAus> its considered booting as a LiveCD...
[15:50] <MrJigsaw> thats what i wrote in.. and i just put it in new line in the end of the docoment, right prince_jammys?
[15:50] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: right
[15:50] <ForgeAus> then you click the install icon and it should set it up on the HDD for you
[15:50] <MrJigsaw> Good, thanks. :9
[15:50] <default_p> MrJigsaw: Not sure if this is walking under ladder situation, but I manually also set the mount media directory to chmod a-rwx <mountdir> whislt unmounted the drive using fasermount -u <mountdrive>
[15:50] <vigge_sWe> but look, when I boot from the harddrive and try to install firefox through adept it says "please insert gutsy gibbons" and when I do that kubuntu reboots
[15:50] <ForgeAus> then you disconnect/eject the .iso (CD inside the VM)
[15:51] <vigge_sWe> I try again
[15:51] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you saved it?
[15:51] <ForgeAus> vigge... does it say that after you login to the hard drive install?
[15:51] <vigge_sWe> no I can't mount the ISO when running kubuntu
[15:51] <MrJigsaw> yes, prince_jammys.
[15:51] <ForgeAus> you should be able to
[15:51] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: once you have saved it you can mount with:            mount /media/sdb1
[15:51] <kaan> can someone tell me a codec to install so i can watch mpegs, avi, wmv etc...
[15:52] <default_p> MrJigsaw: then I let the fdisk&filesystem util in settings to set the security agian after putting all the right options.  it then read and then I demounted it and chg to -3g line.
[15:52] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: sudo mount /media/sdb1
[15:52] <ForgeAus> can you run the VM from the .VHD Hard drive while the .iso isn't virtually inserted in the drive?
[15:52] <MrJigsaw> Well prince_jammys, now it should mount automatic when i boot up, right ?
[15:52] <vigge_sWe> yes
[15:52] <ForgeAus> ok do that
[15:52] <ForgeAus> get to ur kubuntu desktop
[15:52] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yes, though you can also mount it right now
[15:52] <vigge_sWe> I have installed kubuntu on the virtual harddrive
[15:52] <vigge_sWe> ok
[15:52] <vigge_sWe> what's next?
[15:52] <MrJigsaw> Well i dit mount it before :)
[15:52] <ForgeAus> first of all do you see an install icon on the desktop?
[15:53] <vigge_sWe> no
[15:53] <vigge_sWe> but I do when I mount the ISO
[15:53] <ForgeAus> good that means you've got that far correctly :)
[15:53] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: to be able to write to it, change the 227 to 027
[15:53] <ForgeAus> ok now run a konsole window
[15:53] <default_p> MrJigsaw:  this is my fstab line "/dev/sda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults 0 0"
[15:53] <vigge_sWe> ok and now?
[15:53] <ForgeAus> from there type apt-get install firefox
[15:53] <ForgeAus> wait
[15:53] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get install firefox
[15:54] <MrJigsaw> Okay prince_jammys.. done, and thanks :-)
[15:54] <ForgeAus> (I keep forgetting my sudo's)
[15:54] <vigge_sWe> Evil_DuDe: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[15:54] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: remember 227 is read-only
[15:54] <vigge_sWe> what?
[15:54] <ForgeAus> yeah sorry vigge my fault
[15:54] <ForgeAus> I forgot the sudo
[15:54] <ForgeAus> its sudo apt-get install firefox
[15:54] <eugen_> lkl
[15:54] <default_p> MrJigsaw: it's ok to leave all ownership on the media dir to root.
[15:55] <vigge_sWe> lol: Please restart any running Firefoxes
[15:55] <ForgeAus> running firefoxes?
[15:55] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: when i do: sudo mount /media/sdb1 i get: [mntent]: line 25 in /etc/fstab is bad
[15:55] <vigge_sWe> lol but I think it did install
[15:55] <ForgeAus> your not running one from within your host or something?
[15:55] <ForgeAus> check ksysguard for running processes vigge
[15:56] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: check it first to make sure it's like what we said
[15:56] <vigge_sWe> it works now ty
[15:56] <ForgeAus> (the command is kdesu ksysgauard I think, if that doesn't work try kdesudo instead of kdesu)
[15:56] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: im pretty sure it is, take a look: /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1/     ntfs-3g      uid=1000,gid=1000, umask 027    0     0
[15:56] <vigge_sWe> Have some1 installed apache who can help me?
[15:56] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: the folder /media/sdb1 exists?
[15:56] <ForgeAus> if you just run ksysguard then you probably won't be able to do anythign with the process table (if you can even get one at all)
[15:57] <MrJigsaw> yes prince_jammys.. its my mountpoint for my 500Gb harddrive..
[15:58] <ForgeAus> (without the kdesu[do] that is)
[15:58] <MrJigsaw> should i delete the other lines where sdb1 is prince_jammys? (in /etc/fstab ?
[15:58] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[15:58] <ForgeAus> vigge you don't need a linux vm to install apache to
[15:59] <ForgeAus> (you can do that in ur windows install can't you?)
[15:59] <MrJigsaw> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g <- prince_jammys :/
[15:59] <MrJigsaw> damn
[15:59] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yes, comment out the other lines with #
[15:59] <ForgeAus> (like get apache and mod_*'s that you want and even django if you have python for example)
[15:59] <MrJigsaw> ffs.. stupid copy/paste in kubuntu konsole :|
[15:59] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you don't have to delete them, just in case
[15:59] <daffytheduck> hi Im having problems with amarok sharing the same soundcard for systems sounds everytime i try to use amarok with this soundcard I get the following "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers" but if I use a different soundcard amarok works fine
[15:59] <ForgeAus> for that matter you can run  firefox from windows
[16:00] <daffytheduck> :))
[16:00] <MrJigsaw> LABEL=Storage /media/sdb1 ntfs defaults,umask=007,loop,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,nouser 0 1
[16:00] <MrJigsaw> # /dev/sdc1 <- i should delete?
[16:00] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: no
[16:00] <vigge_sWe> Now how do I install apache?
[16:00] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: the lines beginning with # do nothing, they are just comments
[16:00] <jpatrick> !apache | vigge_sWe
[16:00] <ubotu> vigge_sWe: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[16:01] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: DISK1 /media/sdb1 auto nouser,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0 <- this one then ?
[16:01] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: put a # at the beginning
[16:02] <MrJigsaw> okay.. but why not just delete it? it was a wrong mount i did yesterday :/
[16:02] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: ok
[16:03] <arrrghhh> so does anyone know why firefox doesn't update automatically in linux but it does in windows?  my virtual machine always gets firefox updates (like the new beta 3) without my intervention.  my linux boxes?  not so much.
[16:04] <MrJigsaw> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/sdb1 busy
[16:04] <MrJigsaw> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/sdb1 < prince_jammys, i guess thats the reply im looking for, right?
[16:04] <vigge_sWe> argh
[16:04] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: are you able to browse the files?
[16:04] <MrJigsaw> mount: /dev/sdb1 already mounted or /media/sdb1 busy
[16:04] <MrJigsaw> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sdb1 is already mounted on /media/sdb1 <- prince_jammys, i guess tahts the answer im looking for, right
[16:04] <jussi01> arrrghhh: see the last part of the !wfm factoid
[16:04] <MrJigsaw> Fuck sorry..
[16:04] <vigge_sWe> I tried installing lamp and it says I should insert the disc in /cdrom/...
[16:05] <MrJigsaw> i were scrolled up.. that sucks :P, but yes prince_jammys, im able to browse the device..
[16:05] <arrrghhh> !wfm
[16:05] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[16:05] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: then it looks like you're ok.  they should be mounted every time
[16:05] <jussi01> !ohmy | MrJigsaw
[16:05] <ubotu> MrJigsaw: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> !language | MrJigsaw
[16:05] <arrrghhh> jussi01: uhm... that is the most worthless response i've ever heard.
[16:05] <prince_jammys> heh
[16:05] <JigSawPuzzle> :))
[16:05] <MrJigsaw> ALl right, all right jussi01 and BluesKaj.. i get it. SORRY :P
[16:06] <vigge_sWe> hmmm
[16:06] <arrrghhh> and the new firefox betas
[16:06] <arrrghhh> have been more stable than FF2
[16:06] <vigge_sWe> I think I have kubuntu 7.10 on a cd somewhere...
[16:06] <daffytheduck>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY najdorf1
[16:06] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you can test your fstab now by doing sudo umount /media/sdb1, and then sudo mount /media/sdb1
[16:06] <BluesKaj> MrJigsaw, we understand the frustration cuz I've been there too :)
[16:07] <arrrghhh> daffytheduck: yea that's why i don't msg nickserv in the room, i do it in the status page lol
[16:07] <daffytheduck> i just told the whole world my p/word
[16:07] <MrJigsaw> But when i so 'fuck sorry' its nothing bad imo :)
[16:07] <daffytheduck> lol
[16:07] <jussi01> daffytheduck: I suggest you change it quick :)
[16:07] <daffytheduck> lol
[16:07] <daffytheduck> k
[16:08] <BluesKaj> well MrJigsaw if you do it again you'll be gone
[16:08] <MrJigsaw> [mntent]: line 22 in /etc/fstab is bad
[16:08] <MrJigsaw> mount: can't find /media/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab <- I get that now prince_jammys  :/
[16:08] <arrrghhh> just don't curse, simple
[16:08] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw:  how can that be? isn't the line there?
[16:09] <MrJigsaw> yes it is
[16:09] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: i don't get it
[16:10] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: if the directory exists, and it's in fstab, then i don't understand the error
[16:10] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: it does say that the line is bad..
[16:10] <vigge_sWe> anyone can help me with installing LAMP?
[16:10] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: does it give a line number?
[16:11] <MrJigsaw> line 18
[16:11] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: check it out
[16:11] <MrJigsaw> Its the line
[16:11] <MrJigsaw> !pastebin
[16:11] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:11] <MrJigsaw> 2 secs. ille paste me fstab in there..
[16:11] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: kdesude kate /etc/fstab        (F11 to view line numbers)
[16:11] <vigge_sWe> plz
[16:12] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55854/
[16:12] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: kdesudo
[16:12] <MrJigsaw> thats my fstab :)
[16:12] <daffytheduck> fixed
[16:12] <daffytheduck> :))
[16:12] <jussi01> :)
[16:12] <vigge_sWe> please help me with LAMP
[16:12] <SlimeyPete> !lamp
[16:12] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[16:13] <daffytheduck> change the bulb
[16:13] <vigge_sWe> not that
[16:13] <vigge_sWe> I already read that
[16:13] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: what's the problem exactly?
[16:13] <vigge_sWe> I tried to install it but the damn thing want me to insert the 7.10 cd
[16:13] <vigge_sWe> into th /cdrom/ folder...
[16:13] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you're using the "Music" partition?
[16:13] <vigge_sWe> I use mount of a ISO
[16:13] <MrJigsaw> Yes
[16:14] <vigge_sWe> If I put my ISO in kubuntu doesen't start from the hdd
[16:14] <vigge_sWe> and I can't install anything...
[16:14] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: can kubuntu see the internet?
[16:14] <vigge_sWe> yes
[16:14] <default_p> lamer question.  where is the file association manger?
[16:14] <default_p> I want to have flv files associated with vlc player
[16:14] <raoman> is there any solution for the USB device mounting in Kubuntu...?
[16:15] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: ok, just a moment
[16:15] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: can you pastebin : sudo fdisk -l
[16:15] <damian> Qbuntu is the best
[16:15] <MrJigsaw> yes, ofc prince_jammys, 2 secs.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> vigge_sWe, you have to go into your sources.list file and edit the deb cdromrepository by putting a # in front or deleting the line and saving the file.
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with the one at http://www.scruffbag.net/sources.list
[16:16] <SlimeyPete> (that's mine)
[16:16] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55857/
[16:16] <vigge_sWe> and where do I find that file?????????
[16:16] <sub[t]rnl> default_p➜ alt + f2 kcontrol -> Kde components -> File association
[16:16] <default_p> thc sub[t]rnl
[16:16] <default_p> thx
[16:16] <BluesKaj> vigge_sWe, alt+F2, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:17]  * BluesKaj backs off....too many cooks 
[16:18] <vigge_sWe> that sources.list you posted is for beta right?
[16:19] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: it is for gutsy
[16:19] <vigge_sWe> it says beta at the first lin, mine says release
[16:19] <vigge_sWe> line*
[16:19] <jese> Does anyone knows if knetworkmanager has a dcop interface?
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: the beta line is commented out
[16:20] <sub[t]rnl> jese➜ it does
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: it is an old line and no longer used
[16:20] <vigge_sWe> ok
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: you can delete it if it makes you feel better :)
[16:20] <jese> sub[t]rnl: thanks, can I add Access Points with it?
[16:20] <sub[t]rnl> jese➜ checking
[16:20] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: umask=  it's missing the equal sign, sorry --- and delete the space before umask
[16:20] <jese> sub[t]rnl: it doesn't seem to have a help file
[16:21] <MrJigsaw> uhm prince_jammys.. like this then: /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1/     ntfs-3g      uid=1000,gid=1000,=umask 027    0     0
[16:21] <vigge_sWe> it still asks for the cd to be putted in /cdrom/
[16:21] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: umask=027
[16:22] <MrJigsaw> /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1/     ntfs-3g      uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=027    0     0 - Then ? :D
[16:22] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yes, try that
[16:22] <sub[t]rnl> jese➜ all there is a notifyDatabaseChanged, List interfaces, startupId, disableSessionManagement, quit
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: now run "sudo apt-get update"
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: or click "update" in Adept
[16:23] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: this will download package lists from the internet.
[16:23] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: mount: can't find /media/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab <- :(
[16:23] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: from then on, kubuntu will look for packages on the internet rather than CD.
[16:23] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: wow
[16:23] <richard__> #list
[16:23] <richard__> hello
[16:23] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: paste it up :)
[16:23] <jese> sub[t]rnl: many thanks. It seems to be very hard to add Access Points to knetworkmanager with a script which is very simple with Gnome. The biggest problem is kwallet manager.
[16:23] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[16:23] <MrJigsaw> fstab prince_jammys?
[16:24] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yeah
[16:24] <sub[t]rnl> jese➜ knetworkmanager is a bit rough. :p
[16:24] <Picachoo> where can i understand about users accounts and priviliages. applications behaviour and sharing with control  in detail?
[16:24] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55860/ <- I just wanna say thanks, i really apriciate youre help :-)
[16:25] <jese> sub[t]rnl: it maybe work without kwallet manager but this is no real option
[16:25] <vigge_sWe> should I ignore that whole my desktop went black?
[16:25] <vigge_sWe> o sry
[16:25] <vigge_sWe> it didn't
[16:25] <sub[t]rnl> jese➜ you could use wpa_supplicant or another alternative that's more flexible
[16:25] <vigge_sWe> VirtualBox is adding a large black frame
[16:25] <jese> sub[t]rnl: That removes the great Gui :(
[16:25] <vigge_sWe> still used to windows...
[16:26] <vigge_sWe> I get this on the update: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another proc                                                              ess using it?
[16:26] <jese> sub[t]rnl: and it works fine with Gnome but I am planning to change but adding ~50 access points is a little bit embarassing
[16:26] <vigge_sWe> And LAMP is still asking for CD
[16:26] <jese> with WPA Enterprise of course
[16:26] <sub[t]rnl> !enter | vigge_sWe
[16:26] <ubotu> vigge_sWe: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[16:26] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: you must quit adept before using apt-get
[16:27] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: you cannot run two installers at the same time
[16:27]  * sub[t]rnl slides SlimeyPete a cup of coffee
[16:27] <vigge_sWe> oh ok I always do that on windows lol
[16:27] <hilary_clinton> whois Zeelot
[16:27] <SlimeyPete> sub[t]rnl: cheers :)
[16:27] <jese> Windows has no package system.
[16:27] <Picachoo> where can i understand about users accounts and priviliages. applications behaviour and sharing with control  in detail?
[16:28] <jese> sub[t]rnl: thanks for help
[16:28] <jese> ciao
[16:28] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: the installer saves some data in a database. If two installers try to save data at the same time one might overwrite the other by accident!:)
[16:28] <vigge_sWe> it still says E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[16:28] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: i can't see what's wrong with it -- all i can think of is to move the line above all the <device> entries, but that's because i'm running out of ideas
[16:28] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: ok, try this:
[16:28] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix
[16:28] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:29] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: the line looks good
[16:29] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: but do not do the dpkg --configure -a    bit
[16:29] <vigge_sWe> Kill process 5077 ? (y/N)
[16:29] <SlimeyPete> y
[16:29] <MrJigsaw> Cant hurt to try it prince_jammys ;)
[16:29] <MrJigsaw> Dosent work either ;|
[16:30] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: and you have ntfs-3g installed?
[16:30] <vigge_sWe> dpkg: need a command to do
[16:30] <MrJigsaw> it says so when i do: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g :)
[16:31] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: don't do the dpkg bit, just "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg"
[16:31] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: don't do the dpkg bit, just "sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[16:31] <vigge_sWe> ok
[16:32] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: then run the "sudo apt-get update" bit again
[16:32] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: I'm stuck then.  try to reboot and come back?
[16:32] <vigge_sWe> It worked
[16:32] <vigge_sWe> should I try LAMP now?
[16:32] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: :) now try to install LAMP
[16:32] <SlimeyPete> it should use the internet now
[16:33] <MrJigsaw> okay prince_jammys. ill try, brb.
[16:37] <vigge_sWe> should I get any install complete or something?
[16:38] <JoshOvki> whats the recommended FTP client for kubuntu?
[16:39] <TimS> Anyone updated the language packs from yesterday?
[16:39] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: no, if it exits without errors then it worked.
[16:39] <TimS> Someone was telling me theres a problem with them, i am not sure how valid that is.
[16:39] <psicobra> hi all i have an external 40 GN hard drive that is formated as ntfs when how do i get it to auto mount when i plug it in?
[16:40] <vigge_sWe> because it says "installed php5-mysql 100%" for awhile now. Should I just close it?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> TimS, there's some stability probs with some KDE apps, the Panel & Kicker
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: leave it
[16:41] <vigge_sWe> ok
[16:41] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: it may take a while
[16:42] <vigge_sWe> ok
[16:42] <TimS> BluesKaj: Ill hold off then :
[16:43] <BluesKaj> TimS, I didn't mean you shouldn't update , just be warned you may need to go into kcontrol and reset your kicker and panel after the upgrade
[16:46] <vigge_sWe> SlimeyPete: can I minimize kubuntu and do things on the windows xp in the meantime while Kubuntu is still running in it's window?
[16:48] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: make sure you have a blank line at the end of the fstab file (press enter after the last written line and save)
[16:49] <TimS> Alright BluesKaj :)
[16:50] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: the harddrive works now :>
[16:50] <MrJigsaw> so i guess its all working :)
[16:50] <lg188> hi python scripting problems dcop amarok
[16:50] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: excellent
[16:50] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: now you can just mimic that any time you want to mount other stuff in the future
[16:51] <MrJigsaw> Yes, cool, thanks :-)
[16:51] <lg188> prince_jammys: any python knowledge ?
[16:52] <prince_jammys> lg188: none whatsoever
[16:52] <lg188> prince_jammys: kk,
[16:52] <prince_jammys> lg188: some perl, some bash, some php no python
[16:52] <lg188> prince_jammys: ty anyway
[16:52] <prince_jammys> lg188: np
[16:52] <Hammer89> is the flash plugin working for konqueror again?
[16:52] <jpatrick> !flashissue | Hammer89
[16:52] <ubotu> Hammer89: The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If the update fails to install Flash, try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[16:53] <lg188> ll
[16:53] <lg188> kk
[16:54] <Hammer89> jpatrick: has that worked for you? my I'm not actually using konqueror... I'm using Opera... and I've tried that method to no avail... hence why I'm asking if it works on konqueror  (to see if it's just an issue with Opera... or if I'm not alone with this issue)
[16:55] <jpatrick> Hammer89: dunno, hardly use flash
[16:55] <Hammer89> jpatrick: okay
[16:55] <Hammer89> anyone else have any idea if the flash plugin is working with konqueror?
[16:56] <sub[t]rnl> Hammer89➜ works here
[16:57] <Hammer89> sub[t]rnl: okay.. thanks
[16:57] <prince_jammys> Hammer89: seems to work for me
[16:57] <Hammer89> are y'all using post-fix releases?
[17:00] <vigge_sWe> LAMP is still at 100%, should I w8 more? How long time do you think it gonna take?
[17:00] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: hmm, should be done by now.
[17:01] <vigge_sWe> it still showing "installed php5-mysql 100%"
[17:01] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: best to close it. However you may have to run the aptfix command again
[17:01] <vigge_sWe> pls can you send it again?
[17:01] <SlimeyPete> !aptfix
[17:02] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:02] <SlimeyPete> run that after you close the window
[17:02] <vigge_sWe> with or without the last part?
[17:02] <SlimeyPete> I'm not sure why it's pausing like that - it shouldn't.
[17:02] <SlimeyPete> with the last part, this time.
[17:02] <hydrogen> well
[17:02] <hydrogen> without the »
[17:03] <SlimeyPete> yeah, without the <<>> but with the dpkg --configure a
[17:03] <vigge_sWe> done
[17:03] <SlimeyPete> ok. Did it give an error?
[17:03] <vigge_sWe> nope
[17:03] <SlimeyPete> then your LAMP is installed :)
[17:03] <vigge_sWe> it didn't gave anything
[17:03] <vigge_sWe> good
[17:04] <vigge_sWe> now it's just phpMyAdmin left, right?
[17:04] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: if adept keeps crashing like that, use apt-get instead. "sudo apt-get install appname" eg "sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin"
[17:05] <vigge_sWe> what apache should I choose?
[17:06] <vigge_sWe> [ ] apache2 [ ] apache [ ] apache-ssl        │    [ ] apache-perl
[17:06] <vigge_sWe> oops
[17:06] <vigge_sWe> I should have pressed backspace there
[17:06] <vigge_sWe> should it be apache2?
[17:06] <SlimeyPete> yeah apache2
[17:07] <BluesKaj> oops
[17:07] <vigge_sWe> so
[17:07] <vigge_sWe> And now I need to configure php right?
[17:07] <lg188> hi tags:python;scripting problems;dcop;amarok;fast
[17:08] <max_> Hi, I cannot lunch kate in root
[17:09] <max_> http://kubuntu-fr.pastebin.com/m21230eca
[17:09] <Tm_T> max_: did you use kdesudo?
[17:09] <lg188> launch...
[17:09] <max_> kdesudo ?
[17:09] <Tm_T> !kdesudo
[17:09] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[17:09] <max_> thanks
[17:10] <sparrw> i am considering changing from a kde/windows launcher+taskbar to a gnome/mac dock
[17:10] <lg188> python scripter needed
[17:11] <max_> i've the same mistake than kdesu
[17:11] <vigge_sWe> how do I start phpMyAdmin?
[17:11] <max_> Xlib: No protocol specified
[17:11] <max_> kdesu: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[17:12] <raitis> i installed kubuntu, my windows partition was gone now i fixed it, unhiden it and fixed the boot but now windows loads but no icons or sytem loads just the background any suggestions?
[17:12] <sub[t]rnl> max_➜ run kdesu 	instead	 of sudo su
[17:12] <ArmedKing> Is Kde menu still disorganized in comparence to gnome?
[17:12] <ArmedKing> I been out a wile ^_^
[17:12] <Tm_T> ArmedKing: your question means nothing to me, like to elaborate?
[17:13] <sub[t]rnl> max_➜ kdesu kwrite (as normal user)
[17:13] <max_> as normal user: Failed to open device
[17:13] <cj_> how well does flash work on amd64?
[17:13] <ArmedKing> When i used KDE the KDE menu seemed like one big mess to me
[17:13] <BluesKaj> raitis, maybe the ppl at #windows can help
[17:13] <raitis> thanks
[17:14] <BluesKaj> cj_, it'll work on Firefox if you install ia32libs
[17:14] <ArmedKing> Tm_T, I not Flaming kubuntu or something but i realy like the desktop only thing i get enoyed by is the Kde Menu
[17:14] <ForgeAus> theres several alternative menus
[17:14] <max_> kde4 is better kde3
[17:14] <ForgeAus> at least for KDE3 dunno about KDE4
[17:15] <ForgeAus> theres KBFX for example
[17:15] <Tm_T> ArmedKing: yes, but still your question is "empty" in my eyes, anyway, some others might know this issue better anyway, I don't use menus really
[17:15] <BluesKaj> ArmedKing, there are other kmenu options like Tasty Menu and Kickoff
[17:15] <adz21c> cj_: fine for me in kde3 and firefox
[17:15] <sub[t]rnl> ArmedKing➜ kmenu is organized alphabetically by the programs description.
[17:15] <cj_> cheers
[17:15] <ForgeAus> you don't even neeed to use the kmenu at all if you get a dock app like cairodock or kooldock (
[17:15] <cj_> gnash kinda sucks
[17:16] <ForgeAus> yeah cj well as opposed to Adobe flash it tends to as far as I've been experienced with it
[17:16] <ArmedKing> KK iĺl just give it a try again and look for those alternate menus. Because i like the simplicity in the Gnome menu but love the flexibility of KDE hehe
[17:16] <ForgeAus> simplicity? go for KDE4's or wait till it gets better
[17:16] <cj_> ArmedKing: customize it and stop winging
[17:17] <ForgeAus> (KDE4 is mostly a new thing)
[17:17] <ArmedKing> cj_, :D Oke m8 haha no problem, KDE4 stable now?
[17:17] <adz21c> nope
[17:17] <Tm_T> stable yes
[17:17] <Tm_T> full with functions, no
[17:18] <ArmedKing> Oke thanks you guys, And sorry bout the Wining ;-)
[17:18] <Tm_T> np
[17:20] <phoenixz> ArmedKing, see #kubuntu-kde4 for more info
[17:21] <arcticpenguin380> is it possible to use dappers start up sound in kubuntu 7.10?
[17:21] <phoenixz> ArmedKing, and Im using kde4 right now as a production desktop.. I would not recommend others to do so yet, but Im nuts anyway.. Its just to say: Its stable enough to start using it
[17:22] <Tm_T> just to make sure you know that desktop can be ugly: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[17:23] <ArmedKing> phoenixz, Oke but Kubuntu-desktop doesnt take kde4 right
[17:24] <BluesKaj> kde4 is a seperate install
[17:24] <phoenixz> ArmedKing, on kubuntu.org you can find a link to a repository that you have to use with apt-get..
[17:24] <ArmedKing> Oke, Iĺl go check it out on my other box ;-)
[17:24] <phoenixz> then you can install it
[17:24] <ArmedKing> phoenixz, Tnx
[17:24] <phoenixz> ArmedKing, you can run KDE4 right next to KDE3, without problem
[17:26] <mefisto__> you can have a kde3 session and a kde4 session running simultaneously?
[17:26] <Tm_T> yes, as separate X sessions, if you like
[17:27] <mefisto__> and about how much extra disk space would kde4 need?
[17:27] <Tm_T> depends, less than 200 MB is doable IIRC
[17:28] <mefisto__> is there any reason to avoid giving it a try?
[17:28] <bin4ry> hey together
[17:29] <bin4ry> need to know how i can convert a divx file to dvd format
[17:29] <bin4ry> with audio and video stream
[17:29] <bin4ry> ?
[17:29] <llutz_> bin4ry: avidemux, ffmpeg, mencoder, ...
[17:30] <mefisto__> bin4ry: are you actually creating a dvd disk, or just want to encode to mpeg2 dvd format?
[17:30] <bin4ry> i want to create a dvd-disc which is recognized by my (old) dvd player
[17:31] <llutz_> bin4ry: devede, kmediafactory (not sure about divx-input)
[17:32] <mefisto__> bin4ry: you might want to try DeVeDe if you don't need dvd menus, mandvd if you want simple menus, or Qdvdauthor if you want nice menus
[17:32] <BluesKaj> bin4ry, a lot of players will play divx orxvid now , jus tuse the data dvd option in K3B to burn them , and they will work fine, unless it's absolutely necessary to transcode to mpeg for dvd
[17:32] <arcticpenguin380> Is JFS better than ext3 with large parittions at 140GV
[17:32] <arcticpenguin380> GB
[17:33] <bin4ry> nice
[17:33] <bin4ry> thx all
[17:33] <BluesKaj> tovid for cli or devede for gui , will do the transcodes nicely , bin4ry
[17:34] <mefisto__> bin4ry: Qdvdauthor is not too polished though, and not very easy to learn to use. and the version in repos is a little dated
[17:34] <kaan> does anyone know why adept manager crashes everytime after an installation... And when I try to open it after, it opens up in read only mode... I'm using kubuntu 7.10
[17:34] <kaan> how do I reset the adept manager to original specs?
[17:36] <kaan> someone help pls
[17:37] <phoenixz> kaan, what do you mean exactly?
[17:37] <kaan> uh i cant get the error messege right now
[17:37] <phoenixz> kaan, you mean adept configuration? or installed packages?
[17:37] <kaan> but it crashes and okay 1 sec
[17:37] <kaan> adept configuration i mean
[17:37] <lg188> help --tags:ruby;scripting problems;dcop;amarok;commands
[17:37] <mefisto__> !adept
[17:37] <mefisto__> !adept
[17:37] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[17:37] <phoenixz> kaan, it tells you that you can not modify software anymore?
[17:37] <phoenixz> !aptfix | kaan
[17:37] <ubotu> kaan: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:37] <mefisto__> that's the one
[17:37] <kaan> it says another process is using the manager
[17:38] <phoenixz> kaan, see above, the !aptfix things
[17:38] <phoenixz> !aptfix | kaan
[17:38] <kaan> ok
[17:40] <kaan> wow ubotu is pretty smart!
[17:40] <kaan> nice AI
[17:41] <phoenixz> kaan, anything else we can help you with?
[17:41] <lg188> help --tags:ruby;scripting problems;dcop;amarok;commands
[17:41] <phoenixz> lg188, excuse me?
[17:42] <lg188> phoenixz:  i need help with ruby for scripting a amarok dcop script
[17:43] <phoenixz> lg188, Im not a machine, I talk English :)
[17:43] <lg188> kk
[17:43] <lg188> sorry
[17:43] <lg188> can you help me ?
[17:44] <phoenixz> Don't know ruby, sorry.. but if you want help iwth that, I think you'll have better luck in the #amarok, or #ruby channels
[17:44] <lg188> thnx
[17:45] <abortd> same old problems :/
[17:45] <phoenixz> where?
[17:46] <abortd> my screen resolution
[17:46] <abortd> it never fits my monitor
[17:46] <phoenixz> abortd, screen res problems on KDE.. :) Dunno why but I hear this a lot.. HAD this a lot too..
[17:46] <phoenixz> abortd, what chipset?
[17:46] <Picachoo> I have 10 clients and a server. (net cafe) is there a way that i can only allow use of OpenOffice, Skype, ICQ, Opera, Mozilla Firefox, amsn, unix yahoo messenger, Email Client, MP3-Player, DVD-Player , a shared folder having  vidoes and songs, all these present on desktop as the shortcuts. i do not want ANY other app or service to be able to run on clients. not even right clicks or desktop customisation. NOTHING. but i wan a service to moniter the time
[17:47] <kaan> why adept manager doesn't download some packages
[17:47] <abortd> i have a geforce 5500
[17:47] <kaan> ?
[17:47] <phoenixz> Picachoo, there is a way yeah
[17:47] <kaan> I'm trying to install eclipse
[17:47] <phoenixz> Picachoo, what was the app name again...
[17:47] <phoenixz> errrrr
[17:47] <abortd> phoenixz: i get it on gnome too sometimes
[17:47] <kaan> help pls
[17:47] <Picachoo>  the time for which the pc is Onn. complete logs auto started on logon and log file not editable by the user, but me. Possible? how?
[17:47] <phoenixz> kaan, what error is it showing?
[17:48] <Picachoo> phoenixz 1 sec
[17:48] <hs^> Hello. i can boot kubuntu with -noapic ... but it wont run the installer.
[17:48] <phoenixz> Picachoo, the hard way would be with user rights.. Just don't give exec rights.. but that won't fix modifications to the desktop..
[17:48] <hs^> i click on it.. it says 'loading installer'.. but never appears
[17:48] <phoenixz> Picachoo, there is this app where you can completely arrange what can be done and what not
[17:49] <Picachoo> phoenixz use of OpenOffice, Skype, ICQ, Opera, Mozilla Firefox, amsn, unix yahoo messenger, Email Client, MP3-Player, DVD-Player , a shared folder having  vidoes and songs, all these present on desktop as the shortcuts.
[17:49] <phoenixz> kaan, if you want help you need to give some info
[17:49] <Picachoo> phoenixz how exactly
[17:49] <phoenixz> abortd, what chipset do you use?
[17:49] <abortd> what do you mean?
[17:49] <abortd> intel
[17:49] <phoenixz> Picachoo, there is an app for that but I forgot the name.. Let me check adept.
[17:49] <abortd> celeron i think
[17:49] <abortd> ?
[17:49] <phoenixz> abortd, intel... 915, 945 perhaps?
[17:49] <kaan> There was an error committing changes. There was possibly a problem downloading some packages, or else the commit would break packages.
[17:49] <abortd> i dont know...
[17:50] <abortd> i dont care about this pc that much
[17:50] <kaan> this is the error phoenixz
[17:50] <kaan> i think i need more sources to download from?
[17:50] <phoenixz> Picachoo, Im really not sure about this one, but try kiosktool...
[17:50] <phoenixz> Picachoo, Mexico?
[17:50] <Picachoo> phoenixz package name is kiosktool?
[17:50] <Picachoo> phoenixz pakistan
[17:50] <phoenixz> Picachoo, close enough :)
[17:51] <mefisto__> kaan: you could try changing the server adept is using
[17:51] <phoenixz> abortd, try installing 915resolution package..
[17:51] <vigge_sWe> hello
[17:51] <vigge_sWe> I can't edit httpd.conf as root
[17:51] <abortd> whats that and hoow phoenixz?
[17:51] <HS^> Hello. i can boot kubuntu with -noapic ... but it wont run the installer. doesnt load. now what?
[17:51] <phoenixz> kaan, adept sometimes has some problems.. great util, but it has its glitches still..
[17:51] <amal> i want to install real player 10 gold
[17:51] <phoenixz> abortd, sudo apt-get install 915resolution
[17:52] <phoenixz> amal, woah! why? there are better things than that
[17:52] <kaan> ok
[17:52] <phoenixz> amal, you don't need it just to play rm files
[17:52] <phoenixz> kaan, try installing it again
[17:52] <phoenixz> kaan, or, try adding some other repositories
[17:52] <phoenixz> kaan, install only 1 pacakge at the time to see which pacakge causes the problem
[17:53] <kaan> damn it
[17:53] <abortd> phoenixz: couldnt find package?
[17:53] <kaan> i treid adding another server source to install
[17:53] <kaan> eclipse
[17:53] <phoenixz> vigge_sWe, as root you can do *everything*
[17:53] <kaan> but now this happened
[17:53] <kaan> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[17:53] <Repsa_Jih> sudo apt-setup
[17:53] <vigge_sWe> how do I use "root" then?
[17:53] <kaan> i tried it cannot find the command....
[17:53] <phoenixz> kaan, sounds like you modified the sources.list file and either made a mistake in it or forgot an sudo apt-get update
[17:54] <phoenixz> vigge_sWe, sudo vim /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> vigge_sWe➜ sudo -i
[17:54] <phoenixz> vigge_sWe, or sudo su -
[17:54] <kaan> oh
[17:54] <kaan> there we go
[17:54] <kaan> okay now in the terminal for updating
[17:54] <kaan> i get this error
[17:54] <kaan> E: Type 'http://phpeclipse.sourceforge.net/update/releaseshttp://phpeclipse.sourceforge.net/update/releases/' is not known on line 50 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:54] <kaan> thats what i tried to add in there
[17:54] <kaan> eclipse
[17:54] <kaan> how do i get rid of it now?
[17:54] <ArM-eye> amon-ra everyone
[17:55] <jpatrick> !abkn ArM-eye
[17:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about abkn arm-eye - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:55] <phoenixz> Picachoo, yeah, look on google as well for kiosktool.. IIRC it should let you configure these things
[17:55] <boubbin> how to use kde4's konsole in kde3.5.8 ?
[17:55] <boubbin> where can i find the app ?
[17:55] <kaan> phoenixz?
[17:55] <kaan> how can i delete that line from adept configuration
[17:55] <vigge_sWe> nothing happened
[17:55] <ra3eT{}> #sexy-
[17:55] <phoenixz> kaan, sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:55] <ra3eT{}> kak da vlqza v kanal sexy
[17:55] <ra3eT{}> ?
[17:56] <jpatrick> !en | ra3eT{}
[17:56] <ubotu> ra3eT{}: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[17:56] <mefisto__> kaan: or sudo nano, if vim confuses you
[17:56] <jpatrick> !guidelines > ra3eT{}
[17:56] <ra3eT{}> #help
[17:56] <kaan> okay how do i save this file now
[17:56] <kaan> :S
[17:56] <kaan> :D
[17:56] <ra3eT{}> kaan
[17:57] <ra3eT{}> kak da vlqza v
[17:57] <ra3eT{}> uni.bg
[17:57] <phoenixz> kaan, <esc> :x
[17:57] <ra3eT{}> v kanal sexy-
[17:57] <jpatrick> !pl | ra3eT{}
[17:57] <ubotu> ra3eT{}: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[17:57] <vigge_sWe> I still can't open httpd.conf as root
[17:57] <phoenixz> vigge_sWe, "nothing happens" ? What exactly happens?
[17:58] <kaan> phoenixz
[17:58] <abortd> phoenixz: Wrong chipset detected. 915resolution only works with Intel 800/900 series graic chipsets.
[17:58] <vigge_sWe> yes nothing, I write that in the terminal and nothing happens
[17:58] <kaan> okay i edited out that line
[17:58] <phoenixz> kaan, what mefisto__ says, if vim is too complex, use nano, its easier
[17:58] <kaan> how do i save this config file now
[17:58] <phoenixz> abortd, lspci | grep VGA, what does that tell you?
[17:58] <arcticpenguin380> do i need to run fsck if i see recovering journal?
[17:58] <kaan> im still in the terminal in the file
[17:58] <phoenixz> kaan, <esc> :q <enter>
[17:58] <abortd> lspci | grep VGA
[17:59] <abortd> one sec
[17:59] <abortd> 02:03.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
[17:59] <phoenixz> abortd, means you have an NVidia vga card..   mmmm...
[17:59] <abortd> that good or bad?
[18:00] <phoenixz> abortd, good actually, best drivers.. but Im thinking about how to fix this res problem easily
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> good
[18:00] <kaan> it says trailing characters :S
[18:00] <kaan> when i  do <esc> :q <enter>
[18:00] <phoenixz> all: Battery empty, got to put my laptop on charger... BRB
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> kaan➜ :x to save
[18:00] <J-EL> BEGINNITIO REVELATIONEM
[18:00] <J-EL> DECODE BIBLIA
[18:00] <J-EL> Revel - Abraham is associated with the Egyptian pharaoh Amenemhat I (translates: amen is the head) who worshiped the god Amun (Amen). Abraham god then be associated with in the Abrahamic religions god as amun, amon, omon, amen and the deity aamon. Abraham/Amenemhet I
[18:00] <J-EL> Revel - Jacob = King Yakubher
[18:00] <J-EL> Revel - Moses = Thutmose III
[18:00] <J-EL> Revel - David = Psusennes I
[18:00] <nosrednaekim> !ops
[18:00] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[18:00] <kaan> thank you
[18:02] <Mez> godamn he's annoying
[18:02] <Mez> but at least he's been Klined
[18:02] <Mez> !op
[18:02] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or jussi01!
[18:02] <Mez> feck
[18:02] <jpatrick> Mez: oi
[18:02] <Mez> I hit ! instead of /
[18:02] <Mez> sorry
[18:03] <abortd> lol
[18:03] <Mez> jpatrick, he was K lined... no need to ban
[18:03] <encrypt128bit> can anyone help me? Im trying to install ubuntu from my hard disk, and im in the installation screen. But it keeps asking to detect and mount the CD-ROM for the files. How can i tell the installer to look for the ISO file on my fat32 hard disk?
[18:03] <jpatrick> hehe
[18:03] <Picachoo> how to do if i wan a service to moniter the time for which the pc is Onn. complete logs auto started on logon and log file not editable by the user, but me. ?
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ hrm, you'd have to mount it as a squash FS I think.
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> Picachoo➜ use uptimed
[18:05] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: what do you mean?
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ well, its rather complicated, why not just burn a CD?
[18:05] <phoenixz> Picachoo, but I think you're talking about the uptime of the terminals, not?
[18:05] <abortd> hm
[18:06] <abortd> phoenixz: figure anything out?
[18:06] <phoenixz> !resolution | abortd
[18:06] <ubotu> abortd: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[18:06] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: every time i burn to a cd i get a corrupt cd that doesnt isntall, hence im trying to install via my fat32 partition
[18:06] <Picachoo> phoenixz the time the system on powered onn.
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz➜ did you install the nvidia drivers yet?
[18:07] <da_didi>  I just removed the KDE from the taskbar - how can I undo this?
[18:07] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, me? That'd be cool but it would cause this little problem, because I have an I945 chipset...
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ is the download, the actual file, corrupted?
[18:07] <abortd> !repositories
[18:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[18:07] <mefisto__> da_didi: you mean the k menu?
[18:07] <da_didi> yes
[18:07] <phoenixz> da_didi, the KDE menu button is an applet.. on the desktop press right mouse button, and select add applet
[18:07] <da_didi> perfect, i will try.. thanks
[18:07] <phoenixz> da_didi, sorry, you're talking about kde4 or kde3??
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz➜ I mean abortd... sorry
[18:07] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: nothing is acutally corrupted. i checked the MD5 on the iso file and I checked the cd integrity of using the ubuntu installer, but it finds nothing wrong
[18:08] <da_didi> it is kde4
[18:08] <phoenixz> da_didi, then what I said applies :)
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ odd, what does it fail on?
[18:08] <da_didi> perfect.. i try it later.. have to go.. thanks guys
[18:08] <Picachoo> so by default . linux records all logs. uptimes. and the time the system is powered onn.?
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> Picachoo➜ yes
[18:09] <phoenixz>   Picachoo yeah, you can find lots of that info in the /proc dir, which gives you info right from the kernel..
[18:09] <arcticpenguin380> will kubuntu run faster if i get 2GBs of ram?
[18:09] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: well the first message i get is that method cdrom died unexpectedly. and then pkgskl failed with error code 1 or something like that
[18:10] <kaan> arrrrrrghhhhhhhh
[18:10] <kaan> this adept manager is really faulty!!!!
[18:10] <kaan> whys this happening now
[18:10] <Stonki> hello, I just got a new monitor. Using KDE Tools it's a pain in the ass to modify the xorg.conf that I can use 1900x1600 pixel. Any recommendation for a good setup tool or do I have to edit xorg.conf manually ?
[18:10] <kaan> There was an error committing changes. There was possibly a problem downloading some packages, or else the commit would break packages.
[18:10] <vigge_sWe> ?
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ thats weird....so how are you installing(or trying to) now?
[18:10] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: heres the actual message: E: Method cdrom has died unexpectedly, menu item pkgsel failed with error code 1
[18:11] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: im trying to install with the alternate cd
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> Stonki➜ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[18:11] <frank32> arcticpenguin380: from 1GB to 2 GB? I don't think it will make any difference unless you use RAM heavy applications
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ and its saying it can't detect the CDrom in the live installer?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> sorry, alternate
[18:12] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: No, its not saying that
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ so whats the problem in the alternate instalelr?
[18:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: whats with the arrow?
[18:13] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: take a look at this, this is my original problem. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4310348#post4310348
[18:13] <hemanathan> how to set the port speed for the bluetooth modem
[18:13] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: whatever happened to using a :?
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> coreymon77➜ cool ain't it? sub[t]rnl started it :)
[18:13] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, indeed it is.. Howto?
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz➜ are you using konversation
[18:14] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, xchat..
[18:14] <coreymon77> gimmick
[18:14] <phoenixz> but willing to give it a try :)
[18:14] <coreymon77> im a traditionalist for this
[18:14] <hemanathan> how to set the port speed for the bluetooth modem
[18:14] <hemanathan> how to set the port speed for the bluetooth modem anyone tell me ya
[18:15] <mefisto__> kaan: in adept, go to "manage repositories" and try changing to a different server where it says "download from"
[18:15] <Stonki> nosrednaekim : thanks ! it works
[18:15] <phoenixz> hemanathan, I doubt that with that attitude anyone will help ya...
[18:15] <mefisto__> kaan: and while you're there, make sure "universe" is ticked
[18:15] <phoenixz> hemanathan, a little patience will help you a lot more..
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz➜ don't know how to do it there
[18:16] <hemanathan> phoenixz: ok ya i'll wait
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ looking, thanks
[18:16] <coreymon77> meh, i just uncomment the repositories directly in my sources.lis
[18:16] <coreymon77> t
[18:16] <coreymon77> its much easier
[18:16] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: thank you, your the first person to actually look into helping with this problem =P
[18:16] <Picachoo> phoenixz so i can find full logs for all the month. full details in /proc?
[18:17] <phoenixz> Picachoo, sorry, my bad.. :) full logs are found in /var/log.. files in /proc gives you runtime info..
[18:17] <unagi> anyone know a reason why the battery monitor doesnt show up in my tray anyomre?
[18:17] <phoenixz> hemanathan, and for the record, I'd like to help but I don't have the answer, sorry
[18:17]  * coreymon77 hands Picachoo a kleenex
[18:18] <hemanathan> phoenixz: ask someone else and help me
[18:18] <coreymon77> !attitude | hemanathan
[18:18] <ubotu> hemanathan: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:18] <mefisto__> Picachoo: there's also ksystemlog if you want a gui (but I don't know which logs it shows you)
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ I too think your CD is corrupt, despite the MD5 sums. did you try booting the live installer in safe graphics mode?
[18:18] <ForgeAus> hey Cory :)
[18:18] <coreymon77> hi
[18:18] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: Yes, when i boot into the livecd however i have to use acpi=off or it doesnt work
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ so safe graphics mode also doesn't work?
[18:19] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: i havent tried safe graphics mode. but when in the live cd installer using acpi=off the installer crashes or the system freezes
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ try safe graphics mode with ACPI on.
[18:21] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: im pretty sure its gonna just crash but i'll give it a try. rebooting the machine. sec
[18:21] <prince_jammys> encrypt128bit: sometimes cd burn speed is an issue
[18:21] <hemanathan> how to set the port speed for the bluetooth modem
[18:21] <encrypt128bit> prince_jammys: i know, i burned the alternate cd at 4x
[18:21] <prince_jammys> encrypt128bit: ok
[18:23] <hemanathan> how to change the port speed for the bluetooth modem
[18:23] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ are you on another computer right now?
[18:23] <Picachoo> phoenixz mefisto__ thx
[18:23] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: yea i have a laptop next to my desktop
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> alright,... that certainly makes things easier
[18:25] <hemanathan> how to change the port speed for the bluetooth modem
[18:25] <Sbucat> someone knows how to install opera with flash plug in ?
[18:25] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: the live cd just went all glitchy without acpi=off and froze
[18:25] <hemanathan>  anyone tell something
[18:25] <mefisto__> be patient hemanathan
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ ok... see, you have a p4, so its probably overheating without ACPI
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> !bluetooth
[18:26] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[18:26] <phoenixz> hemanathan, if nobody tells you that might mean that the people here don't know..  You could try google, you could also try the #ubuntu channel.. and patience.. :)
[18:26] <abortd> is fat32 easy to mount?
[18:26] <abortd> a partition
[18:26] <phoenixz> !bluetooth | hemanathan
[18:26] <ubotu> hemanathan: please see above
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> abortd➜ yes
[18:26] <LukeLM> !Suspend
[18:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:26] <encrypt128bit> Yea, but shouldnt the alternate cd work just fine?
[18:26] <phoenixz> !suspend | LukeLM
[18:27] <unagi> anyone know a reason why the battery monitor doesnt show up in my tray anyomre?
[18:27] <abortd> nosrednaekim: how is it done?
[18:27] <neorej_> ok guys, wish me luck now! otherwise i need ya knowledge all =p
[18:27] <phoenixz> unagi, it was probably shutdown for some reason.. Try restarting it
[18:27] <neorej_> cunt wireless
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ yeah... it should, but sometimes things just don't work like they should. do you have a 1GB us dongle?
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> *UDB
[18:27] <phoenixz> !language | neorej_
[18:27] <ubotu> neorej_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> *USB
[18:27] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: you mean a flash drive? yes
[18:28] <neorej_> don't take it personal phoenixz, i was just talking to some wireless device =/
[18:28] <unagi> phoenixz: it never shows up anymore
[18:28] <Picachoo> if someone uses a flashdrive having .txt files and ms office files likc .doc and .xls . but i have open office installed on linux. will it make any compatibility problems or damage them if kate or open office is used? or the will work fine and can be re used by windows again?
[18:28] <abortd> # sudo mkdir -p /media/d
[18:28] <abortd>  # sudo mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 /dev/hda1 /media/d
[18:28] <abortd> is that how it should be?
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ Let me find the guide that says how to install off of that.
[18:29] <encrypt128bit> alright
[18:29] <mefisto__> Picachoo: I've heard that editing and saving .doc files in openoffice multiple times can corrupt the document. but I do it all the time and have never had a problem
[18:30] <Lemuria> mkmetal
[18:31] <nosrednaekim> abortd➜ no need for all that complicated stuff, "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/d" will do it just fine
[18:32] <MrJigsaw> ehm.. when i downloadet a .deb package, how is it i install it ?
[18:32] <MrJigsaw> i used wget <link> :)
[18:32] <llutz> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[18:32] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:33] <Picachoo>  can linux run all video/audio formats (after installing free available codecs)  that windows can run. .mpg .dat .avi .mp3 ?
[18:33] <MrJigsaw> VLC can :-)
[18:33] <MrJigsaw> i guess koffeine can too
[18:33] <trappist> Picachoo: it can play anything you've got a codec for, if that's your question
[18:33] <unagi> anyone know a reason why the battery monitor doesnt show up in my tray anyomre?
[18:33] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ meh... apparently, you have to do it with linx...
[18:34] <benji__> qq1 peux m'aider plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[18:34] <nosrednaekim> unagi➜ run "guidance-power-manager"
[18:34] <jussi01> !fr | benji__
[18:34] <ubotu> benji__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:34] <LukeLM> !help
[18:34] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:34] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: huh?
[18:34] <mefisto__> Picachoo: you need to install "non-free" codecs to get everything to work in kaffeine, etc
[18:35] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ in order to make the bootable flash drive, you need to have linux already installed, unless I can find another guide.
[18:35] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: cant i just use a live cd without acpi on and do it quickly?
[18:35] <unagi> ty
[18:36] <Picachoo> k
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ nah... it probably takes a while.
[18:36] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ but you could put the liveCD in your laptop and do it from there.
[18:36] <choche> !aptfix
[18:36] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:36] <Crashed> Hey guys, I'm about to install XP on this machine which is currently running Kubuntu.
[18:36] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: that would work, the live cd works on the laptop without a problem
[18:37] <Crashed> If I remember correctly, XP isn't too mind on multi-os systems.
[18:37] <doris> ciao
[18:37] <Crashed> What should I do to ensure that both Kubuntu and XP run fine?
[18:37] <doris> !list
[18:37] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ ok, and network works on the laptop witht he liveCD?
[18:37] <mefisto__> that aptfix thing would make a handy alias
[18:37] <jussi01> !it | doris
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> Crashed➜ well, you are going to have to fix the grub boot loader.
[18:37] <ubotu> doris: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:37] <encrypt128bit> nosrednaekim: my wireless network? yea
[18:37] <nosrednaekim> !grub | Crashed
[18:37] <ubotu> Crashed: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ ok, then just use that.
[18:38] <Crashed> Ah, nice nosrednaekim.
[18:38] <nosrednaekim> Crashed➜ hows linux going BTW?
[18:39] <mefisto__> Crashed: don't use your windows partitions in linux if they are dirty (ie, not shutdown properly in windows).
[18:39] <Crashed> nosrednaekim: I'm loving it so much that I'm not going to wipe kubuntu, I'm gonna use both.
[18:39] <Crashed> mefisto: don't use the windows partition in linux? I'm going to have two partitions, one for each.
[18:40] <Crashed> I got CS 1.6 working in WINE perfectly. :]
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> Crashed➜ cool, but remember that windows has to be installed to the first partition on the disk.
[18:40] <Crashed> Hm
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> CS?
[18:40] <Crashed> Counter Strike.
[18:40] <nosrednaekim> ah... sweet.
[18:40] <mefisto__> Crashed: if windows doesn't shut down properly, then you boot into linux and use the windows partitions, they can screw things up in windows later
[18:41] <Crashed> What do you mean by use the windows partitions, mefisto?
[18:41] <Crashed> Like while in linux, go through the files and folders that're in my windows partition?
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> Crashed➜ look at them from within linux
[18:41] <nosrednaekim> right.
[18:41] <Crashed> Ah. I didn't even know you could do that. :)
[18:41] <Crashed> Great tip, thanks.
[18:42] <Picachoo>  if i have 10 clients. can i shut them (turn off) them by sitting on server?
[18:42] <LukeLM> Crashed did your cable go out this  morning?
[18:42] <mefisto__> Crashed: if you don't mount your windows partition in linux at all, then there's nothing to worry about
[18:42] <nosrednaekim> Crashed➜ its normally perfectly safe, but its only dangerous when you haven't shut down windows properly.
[18:43] <LukeLM> Best bet if windows crashes you should boot into windows first before linux
[18:43] <mefisto__> dangerous for windows. linux will still read the disks just fine
[18:43] <Crashed> LukeLM: I wouldn't think so. I was on at around 7 AM this morning, it was fine. And one of my torrents completed by the time I got home.
[18:43] <LukeLM> Ah, I just noticed you were using rogers like me...
[18:43] <LukeLM> Mine was out for an hour earlier
[18:44] <Crashed> Rogers has pretty good uptime.
[18:44] <mefisto__> Crashed: you were having problems with ktorrent stopping, right?
[18:44] <Crashed> Nope.
[18:44] <mefisto__> ok
[18:44] <nosrednaekim> encrypt128bit➜ did I ever get you that link?
[18:44] <Crashed> One thing I don't like about Kubuntu is that my torrents seem to be *way* slower.
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> maybe you don't have the settings right
[18:45] <LukeLM> Perhaps your ports aren't open
[18:45] <Crashed> On Windows I'd be able to get 2 or 3 torrents going 100+ KB/s. On Kubuntu, if I have two torrents going at the same time they'll hardly ever pass 10 KB/s.
[18:45] <Crashed> I left 3 torrents on overnight and they completed like 5%.
[18:45] <frank32> Crashed: what torrent program did you use in windows/linux?
[18:45] <Crashed> I left one on before I went to school this morning and it completed 60% or so.
[18:45] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, about the arrow thing.. How do I do that in konversation?
[18:46] <Crashed> KTorrent
[18:46] <Crashed> And uTorrent for windows.
[18:46] <frank32> Crashed: some programs might be better at avoiding ISP throttling
[18:46] <Crashed> Ah.
[18:46] <mefisto__> Crashed: both are using the same ports?
[18:46] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz➜ configure konversation->general->nickname completetion->suffix
[18:46] <LukeLM> Crashed when you use Ktorrent does the icon in the bottom left say the ports are open?
[18:46] <Crashed> mefisto: I wouldn't know, I don't tinker with the ports.
[18:47] <Crashed> I don't see any icons.
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> Crashed➜ the systray icon
[18:47] <nosrednaekim> phoenixz➜ copy my arrow and paste it in there.
[18:48] <Crashed> I have 6 icons there: Volume, Clipboard, KTorrent, Wallet, Konversation, and Kopete.
[18:48] <nosrednaekim> !aptfix
[18:48] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:49] <LukeLM> Crashed do you use a router to share you internet?
[18:49] <Crashed> I do not.
[18:49] <Crashed> Straight cable modem.
[18:49] <phoenixz> nosrednaekim, sweeet.. I have to switch to konversation anyway
[18:49] <GSF1200S> I have an issue with hibernate corrupting my swap when I try it, any ideas?
[18:49] <nosrednaekim> GSF1200S»corrupting your swap? never heard of corrupt swap.
[18:50] <LukeLM> Crashed: What about a firewall in linux?
[18:50] <GSF1200S> ill try to hibernate, and it will fail- I have to hard power down. When I reboot, conky tells me I dont have a swap
[18:50] <Crashed> Not that I know of, Luke.
[18:50] <Crashed> I haven't touched any sort of firewall or any app that would block ports since I installed Kubuntu a few days ago.
[18:51] <nosrednaekim> GSF1200S » yet on a ANOTHER reboot, you do have swap?
[18:51] <LukeLM> Weird, I usually get the same speed as in windows with utorrent/ktorrent
[18:51] <GSF1200S> then i have to cd /dev/disk/by-uuid, sudo mkswap /dev/sda2, sudo swapon /dev/sda2
[18:51] <GSF1200S> and change the uuid in fstab
[18:51] <Crashed> KTorrent is also weird on its Time Left status.
[18:52] <GSF1200S> i dont know.. havent tried rebooting twice
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> GSF1200S » it changes the UUID?
[18:52] <Crashed> It says 22 hours to go, but in reality it should say maybe 1.5 hours approximately.
[18:52] <GSF1200S> 'mkswap changes the uuid
[18:52] <LukeLM> Crashed: In the settings there is different ETA algorythms it can use, you can try different ones out
[18:52] <nosrednaekim> GSF1200S » try doing a clean reboot. after the unclean one
[18:52] <frank32> Crashed: alot of people use the deluge client for torrents. you could try that one
[18:52] <sub[t]rnl> Crashed➜ try enabling both options in the encryption settings under General options.  And of course forward ports if you behind a router.
[18:52] <sub[t]rnl> s/you/your
[18:52] <GSF1200S> even if that works, what would cause hibernate to do this to the swap.
[18:53] <jetsaredim> is anyone able to get flash working with firefox3?
[18:53] <LukeLM> I didn't even know about firefox3 =)
[18:53] <Crashed> Okay, changed algorithm and set the encryption settings.
[18:54] <jetsaredim> LukeLM: you can install it parallel to firefox2
[18:54] <ScorpKing> firefox3 is still beta i think ;)
[18:54] <Crashed> I'm actually getting a pretty good speed increase from that :)
[18:54] <nosrednaekim> sub[t]rnl » I decided to stop coying you..
[18:54] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[18:55] <Crashed> Would I be able to partition this HDD and still use Konversation? <:)
[18:55] <jetsaredim> yea - it seems a great deal better than ff2, but for some reason I can't get the flashplugin package to recognize ff3
[18:55] <LukeLM> Crashed, yeah Rogers is a leading ISP in bit torrent traffic throttling. you gotta do all you can to get any speed ^^
[18:55] <jetsaredim> i know i've had flash working in previous versions of ff3
[18:55] <sub[t]rnl> Crashed➜ heres a page to give you an idea of how to setup everything else for speed increases http://infinite-source.de/az/az-calc.html
[18:56] <Crashed> Really sub? I wouldn't never guessed. I get rather good speeds on torrents.
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> Crashed » no, partitioning would have to be done from a liveCD.... well I guess you could talk from the liveCD
[18:56] <Crashed> I think I have a 3MBit or 4MBit connection, and I can get 500 KB/s or more on torrents.
[18:56] <JoshOvki> My torrent downloads always seem slower in kubuntu than windblows
[18:57] <lg188> JoshOvki:  XD
[18:57] <JoshOvki> legal torrent ofcourse 8-)
[18:57] <cvg> hola
[18:57] <LukeLM> Crashed yeah the download is usually alright but the upload is really bad i find.. and afterall torrents are about sharing ^^
[18:58] <Crashed> I'm gonna be honest, I don't upload much :P
[18:58] <JoshOvki> tutut Crashed :P
[18:58] <Crashed> When I do try to upload, I do notice that the speeds aren't great. But my upload isn't great either.
[18:58] <JoshOvki> my  torrent rule is upload itself and a half
[18:58] <lg188> need o go europa
[18:58] <Crashed> Well, my rule used to be only keep uTorrent up as long as it has to be up. When you run an ancient machine, you'll want to save those kilobytes and megabytes of ram.
[18:59] <Crashed> Alright, any tips I should know before partitioning my drive?
[18:59] <JoshOvki> Crashed: Fair enough if you run an old cronk of a machine, mine is half decent so i dont usualy have to worrie about it
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> Crashed » be careful :)
[18:59] <JoshOvki> and backup anything that is on it
[18:59] <Crashed> :P
[19:00] <ubuntu> Boo
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> Crashed » oh yeah... and don't screw up.
[19:00] <LukeLM> Crashed you have a Linux LiveCD right/
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> eeeek!
[19:00] <Crashed> Yes I do.
[19:00] <unagi> how do i remove gnome?
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> !PUREKDE
[19:00] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[19:00] <Crashed> Thank god for that, or I wouldn't have had an operating system for a few days (new pc, no os? :()
[19:00] <nosrednaekim> until he went out and *ahem* bought*ahem* XP
[19:00] <JoshOvki> Crashed: make sure you know exactly what you want before you do it
[19:00] <Kubuntu> :)
[19:00] <Crashed> nosred: I didn't buy this one, but it's legit :P
[19:01] <unagi> !gnome
[19:01] <Crashed> Friends are cool, right?
[19:01] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> right.... your uncle's brother... I gotcha ;)
[19:01] <Crashed> =P
[19:01] <mefisto__> Crashed: birthday present? :P
[19:02] <Crashed> Ah cool, I was getting <50 KB/s on that torrent before I did toggled those speed-killing settings.
[19:02] <Crashed> Floating on 180 to 200 now.
[19:02] <JoshOvki> Well every version of XP is legit. Someone had to buy it at some point
[19:02] <Crashed> I don't want to partition now. :(
[19:02] <Crashed> Uploading at 40 KB/s too. Highest I've ever seen.
[19:03] <LukeLM> Screw Microsoft :P
[19:03] <JoshOvki> Google are worth nearly as much as M$
[19:03] <JoshOvki> only 70 Billion in it
[19:03] <LukeLM> only
[19:03] <sub[t]rnl> i'm on a good line, I usually keep seeding at least 2 or 3 torrents at 300kb's. http://www.speedtest.net/sult/234039433.png <-- this is with me seeding
[19:04] <Tm_T> JoshOvki: see topic
[19:04] <Tm_T> same to you all ;)
[19:04] <sub[t]rnl> www.speedtest.net/result/234039433.png even
[19:04] <Crashed> Awesome connection.
[19:04] <JoshOvki> oh yeh i have a question. When ever i click a link in konversation it trys to open in konqueror, but it thinks about it for a while then closes
[19:04] <LukeLM> We're just passing the time inbetween people's help questions :P
[19:05] <Tm_T> LukeLM: still
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> JoshOvki » do you use konqueror or firefox?
[19:05] <Crashed> When I'm exploring /media/cdrom0, does it take time to find the files and folders?
[19:05] <Crashed> Or should it be instant?
[19:05] <nosrednaekim> Crashed » cd drives are slow.... it should be slower
[19:05] <Crashed> Alright.
[19:05] <JoshOvki> nosrednaekim: both which ever one my mouse hits first usualy
[19:06] <vigge_sWe> how do I use "root? in konsole?
[19:06] <Crashed> sudo
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> JoshOvki » well, I 've found it works better if you tell konversation to use firefox.
[19:06] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: prefix the command with "sudo"
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> vigge_sWe » sudo -i
[19:06] <JoshOvki> nosrednaekim: tar, i shall do so now
[19:06] <Crashed> 250 KB/s. I am drooling now. :)
[19:06] <vigge_sWe> so I should type sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 to enable php under apache?
[19:06] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: there is no proper "root" account in kubuntu, by default
[19:06] <Crashed> Sure beats the 5.5 KB/s I was getting before.
[19:06] <Lorvija> http://www.speedtest.net/result/234041988.png <-- just had to compare my connection when i saw that link :P
[19:06] <SlimeyPete> vigge_sWe: yes
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> Crashed » that better than windows?
[19:06] <SlimeyPete> :)
[19:06] <Crashed> nosred: no :P
[19:06] <Crashed> It's on par.
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> !tab | Crashed➜
[19:07] <ubotu> Crashed➜: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:07] <Lorvija> Though my wlan connection prolly slowed that test down :E
[19:07] <Crashed> Lorvija: who are you stealing internet from?
[19:07] <frank32> Crashed: what did you do to get faster speed?
[19:07] <Crashed> I turned on the encryption settings.
[19:07] <Crashed> In the General tab.
[19:07] <frank32> Crashed: ok
[19:07] <Crashed> nos: I know about tab, I'm just used to not using it.
[19:07] <Lorvija> Crashed nah noone.. just using my uni wlan.. i live so close to it (: i got ~12dbi disk outside on the balcony (:
[19:07] <frank32> Crashed: you can blame your ISP for that one
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> lazy <_<
[19:08] <Crashed> frank: sure can.
[19:08] <Crashed> Hey, get a name with less characters norednaekim
[19:08] <Tm_T> Crashed: be nice ;)
[19:08] <Tm_T> !tab | Crashed
[19:08] <Crashed> :P
[19:08] <ubotu> Crashed: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[19:08] <neo> hej little question, what do i have to install to get a fake uploader for my azureus?!
[19:08] <nosrednaekim> ok... later all, good luck Crashed with your partitioning
[19:08] <Crashed> Thanks a lot nos, bye.
[19:08] <Tm_T> nosrednaekim: see ya!
[19:09] <Crashed> I'd show you guys my awesome 350 KB/s download speed (nearly 100x faster what I was gettign earlier), but the torrents I'm downloading... not-safe-for-freenode.
[19:09] <unagi>  anyone know an easy way to remove ubuntu?
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> Crashed » haha, thats a very common complaint.
[19:10] <Tm_T> unagi: reformat partition?
[19:10] <JoshOvki> unagi:  sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop     should do it
[19:10] <Crashed> I went and watched the movie... now I want a software copy. >_>
[19:10] <unagi> Package ubuntu-desktop is not installed, so not removed
[19:10] <Tm_T> Crashed: I bet it's sold in local store too
[19:10] <frank32> Crashed: you can also enable DHT in Ktorrent to get more peers. I think DHT is the azureus perr-sharing network
[19:11] <Crashed> Ooh, good to know frank.
[19:11] <Tm_T> Crashed: anyway, piratism isn't a topic here
[19:11] <mefisto__> unagi: the PUREKDE link didn't help?
[19:11] <unagi> purekde?
[19:11] <unagi> !purekde
[19:11] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[19:11] <Tm_T> !purekde
[19:12] <mefisto__> !PUREKDE
[19:12] <Crashed> Sorry.
[19:12] <Tm_T> !o4o | Crashed
[19:12] <ubotu> Crashed: Some things are inappropriate for #kubuntu. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[19:12] <MrJigsaw> What app do you guys use to encrypt harddrives ?
[19:13] <king> i have a ati 1800 xt and sucessfull installed the driver from the homepage.so when i start compiz he sys no xgl what can i do
[19:13] <neo> hej little question, what do i have to install to get a fake uploader for my azureus?!
[19:13] <king> ?
[19:13] <neo> yeah you know, something to keep your ratio in good shape by sending out fake upload
[19:14] <unagi> im trying it now
[19:14] <JoshOvki> neo: why not do real upload?
[19:15] <Tm_T> kids
[19:15] <Tm_T> you're going to offtopic way too much
[19:15] <Crashed> Thanks, your tips speed up my speed a bunch: http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2019/snapshot2ng7.png
[19:15] <neo> why is not important, i just need the tool =)
[19:16] <JoshOvki> Tm_T: its not offtopic, its suggesting a reasonable solution to keep his ratio in order :)
[19:16]  * JoshOvki mutters about leaches
[19:16] <Tm_T> JoshOvki: see topic, that is NOT kubuntu issue, then it's offtopic
[19:16] <xavy> Hi, pls help, I dont have icon for free driver :(
[19:17] <xavy> and my english isnt good :)
[19:17] <Crashed> Sorry again Tm, it's my fault.
[19:17] <Crashed> I go off topic a lot.
[19:17] <Tm_T> Crashed: no it's not ;)
[19:17]  * JoshOvki admits defeat and goes back into corner still muttering about leachers
[19:17] <default_p> Do power users use Dolphin for file management?
[19:17] <Tm_T> default_p: some does, not me
[19:18] <default_p> can Konqueror be used?
[19:18] <Tm_T> yes
[19:18] <default_p> Tm_T: which one do you use
[19:18] <prince_jammys> default_p: i use it, dont like dolphin
[19:18] <Tm_T> Konqueror when I do use GUI, but Konsole (bash) <3
[19:18] <default_p> how do I select Konq?
[19:18] <Tm_T> !dolphin
[19:18] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[19:19] <prince_jammys> go konq
[19:19] <default_p> ok cool.  thanks
[19:19] <LukeLM> !D3lphin
[19:19] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[19:19] <Crashed> time to partition.
[19:19] <LukeLM> sorry
[19:19] <default_p> dolphin is a bit toyish and Konq allows window size saves
[19:20] <LukeLM> good luck crashed
[19:20] <mefisto__> konqueror always reverses the file list order for me. other than that, it's almost perfect
[19:21] <abortd> can anyone tell me what the fastest ubuntu update server is?
[19:21] <Tm_T> abortd: there's no one
[19:22] <ubuntu> agrrrr
[19:22] <ubuntu> i did it
[19:22] <mefisto__> abortd: usually the closest to you geographically, but try different ones and see
[19:23] <dorkface> Hi all.  I was wondering; do the official repositories usually have the latest version of java, or is it like wine, where the official tends to have older versions, and one has to include another source in apt-get, to get the LATEST wine?
[19:24] <Tm_T> IIRC java and wine are both ~uptodate if not the same day then the next if possible
[19:25] <LukeLM> I know wine isn't because I just added the wine servers to my sources.list yesterday to get the latset =)
[19:25] <LukeLM> No clue about Java
[19:26] <Crashed> Hm
[19:26] <Crashed> It isn't possible to resize a partition?
[19:26] <Crashed> QParted isn't letting me resize my linux partition.
[19:26] <LukeLM> Not while it's mounted
[19:27] <default_p> ubotu: worked great thanks.
[19:27] <Crashed> I'm running from the livecd :(
[19:27] <Crashed> It says hda1 is active. Not cool.
[19:27] <MrJigsaw> What app do you guys use to encrypt harddrives ?
[19:27] <frank23> dorkface: Tm_T:  wine isn't updated in the ubuntu repositories within a release and kava is probably not either. It's the same for (almost) everyother program
[19:27] <JoshOvki> default_p it was LukeLM who told ubotu to tell you (ubotu is a bot)
[19:28] <frank23> java*
[19:28] <Crashed> Hell, I should just erase Kubuntu
[19:28] <Crashed> Install XP, then install kubuntu again.
[19:28] <default_p> next lamer question.  Is there a process lister so as to kill processes
[19:28] <default_p> ok thanks Luke
[19:28] <dorkface> frank23: ah, thank you
[19:28] <Crashed> CTRL + ESCAPE, default_p.
[19:28] <LukeLM> it was actually Tm_T thank him
[19:28] <JoshOvki> Crashed   sudo umount \dev\hda1
[19:28] <default_p> k
[19:28] <JoshOvki> should unmount it for you
[19:29] <Crashed> unmount is an unrecognized command.
[19:29] <Tm_T> umount
[19:29] <Crashed> Oh, umount.
[19:29] <mefisto__> forward slash, JoshOvki
[19:29] <Crashed> hda1 not mounted. >_>
[19:29] <frank23> dorkface: basically every version of ubuntu sticks with it's version of programs.
[19:29] <Crashed> QParted says it's 'Active'
[19:29] <JoshOvki> try  /dev/hda1   cause i cant type.    (thanks mefisto)
[19:30] <Crashed> I did do /dev/hda1.
[19:30] <JoshOvki> ok :)
[19:30] <dorkface> frank23: Yeah, the problem now is trying to find the servers with the latest version,  google, ahoy!
[19:30] <Crashed> *sighs*
[19:30] <Crashed> I'll stick to XP, then Kubuntu. Will make things easier.
[19:30] <LukeLM> Crashed, try an apt-get install gparted first
[19:30] <default_p> next lamer question.  How can I unrar?
[19:31] <LukeLM> I've had better luck with gparted over qtparted
[19:31] <prince_jammys> default_p: ps ax
[19:31] <Picachoo> is kiosk in kubuntu ?
[19:31] <frank23> dorkface: yeah... but basically the way to go is to not update to the latest version unless you really need it. for wine, you can use their ubuntu repository
[19:31] <Picachoo> pre installed?
[19:31] <prince_jammys> default_p: just use "unrar" -- do "man unrar" for a few options
[19:32] <mefisto__> Crashed: right-click the active partition in qtparted, and make it not active
[19:32] <Crashed> What's this linux-swap stuff?
[19:32] <Crashed> It's eating up 1.6GB.
[19:32] <prince_jammys> Crashed extra memory supplements RAM
[19:32] <slow-motion> hi
[19:32] <default_p> prince_jammys: ok thx again.  no rar lists were coming up in repository adept.
[19:33] <prince_jammys> Crashed: 1.6 GB??
[19:33] <default_p> did it cli install and it's installing
[19:33] <Crashed> Yes sir.
[19:33] <Crashed> Does it have to use 1.6GB? I mean, wouldn't like 500MB be fine?
[19:34] <LukeLM> crashed, I usually allocate 1.5* my ram to swap usage
[19:34] <prince_jammys> Crashed: no thats good
[19:34] <mefisto__> does it hurt performance if swap partition is bigger than necessary?
[19:34] <Crashed> My HDD isn't that big.
[19:34] <Crashed> 40 gigs for XP and Kubuntu.
[19:34]  * JoshOvki is going to the cinema.   Bye bye all
[19:34] <Crashed> later.
[19:34] <LukeLM> How much ram do you have?
[19:34] <Crashed> 768
[19:34] <default_p> I'm starting to feel sad for Microsoft.
[19:35] <mefisto__> default_p: they brought it upon themselves
[19:35] <Crashed> Okay you know what, I'm installing XP over Kubuntu. This is gonna make things so much easier.
[19:35] <default_p> hehe
[19:35] <Crashed> XP first, Kubuntu second. Life is smooth.
[19:35] <LukeLM> If you use a 768mb swap, or even 512 if you feel like it.. just be ram weary about things
[19:36] <LukeLM> Crashed did you try unchecking the active flag on your hda1?
[19:36] <Crashed> Yep, did that in Gparted.
[19:36] <Crashed> But I still want to install XP first.
[19:37] <Picachoo>  what apps should a good net cafe have, from your point of view?
[19:37] <david_> what's join unbuntu in Spanish?
[19:37] <Crashed> Hm.
[19:37] <frank23> !es
[19:37] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:37] <david_> hello
[19:37] <Crashed> Is it right that it took 10 seconds to delete an extention and a partition, and to format it to NTFS?
[19:37] <david_> thanks
[19:37] <prince_jammys> Crashed: you mean too short?
[19:38] <oblivion> anyone know how to setup gutsy to host a website?
[19:38] <Crashed> Yeah, that seems like it didn't take enough time.
[19:38] <LukeLM> Crashed you have to commit the changes before it actually does it
[19:38] <frank23> Crashed: I don't think linux can format in NTFS, the windows installer will have to do the formatig
[19:38] <Crashed> I applied it, Luke. :P
[19:38] <prince_jammys> Crashed: it does that stuff pretty fast, its the moving resizing that takes a long time
[19:38] <frank23> fromating*
[19:38] <Crashed> Alright cool. Thanks a lot guys.
[19:38] <LukeLM> Crashed wait
[19:38] <Crashed> Waiting.
[19:38] <unagi> weird
[19:39] <LukeLM> When you're reinstalling kubuntu don't do the auto create partitions or else you will have a 1.6GB swap again
[19:39] <unagi> i accidently uninstalled pidgin and its still running
[19:39] <LukeLM> Do a manual setup =) and choose how much you'd like
[19:39] <Crashed> Manual partitions, with GParted. Alright. Good tip.
[19:39] <Crashed> Anything else?
[19:39] <unagi> LukeLM: what happens when you have more than one swap partition
[19:39] <LukeLM> I guess that's all, good luck.
[19:39] <Crashed> thanks.
[19:39] <oblivion> anyone know how to setup gutsy to host a website?
[19:39] <Crashed> To the world of windows! But not for long ;)
[19:40] <unagi> !website
[19:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about website - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:40] <jussi01> !lamp | oblivion
[19:40] <ubotu> oblivion: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[19:40] <unagi> !hosting
[19:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hosting - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:40] <unagi> LukeLM: ??
[19:40] <LukeLM> unagi, What do you mean. you have two partitions/
[19:40] <oblivion> i have done installed all of that but i dont know how to configure for DNS or zone files or anything
[19:41] <unagi> i have 4 LukeLM
[19:41] <oblivion> !dns
[19:41] <ubotu> DNS is an acronym for Domain Name System, and is an internet system used to translate names into IP Address.
[19:41] <ubuntu> damn
[19:41] <LukeLM> 4 Swap partitions? that seems a bit overkill
[19:41] <LukeLM> How many MB total?
[19:41] <mefisto__> more than one swap partition is useless, isn't it?
[19:41] <ubuntu> it haven't .ru keys by default
[19:41] <BillGatesThe3rd> Which webbrowser is of choice?
[19:41] <unagi> just under 3 gigs each
[19:42] <prince_jammys> oblivion: probably not the right place for all that info -- i would try the apt-cache for a tutorial/ebook
[19:42] <unagi> gparted only has a lock on one of them
[19:42] <unagi> is that the one that is needed?
[19:42] <jackster> hmm, KDE seems to have started making little noises when notification windows pop up and close, any idea how to stop them?
[19:42] <prince_jammys> oblivion: also the ubuntu-server guide online
[19:43] <unagi> LukeLM: sorry i didnt say ur name but did u see those?
[19:43] <LukeLM> unagi,yeah. I'm trying to remember what you're trying to do
[19:43] <prince_jammys> jackster somewhere in system-settings(or kcontrol).  if you have kcontrol, then search "notification"
[19:44] <LukeLM> ugani What were you trying to do again?
[19:44] <jackster> thanks prince_jammys
[19:44] <prince_jammys> jackster: no prob, it was pretty vague but i know its in there
[19:45] <jackster> actually no it doesn't seem to just be notifications, it seems to be every window when it's either opened or closed it makes a little noise
[19:45] <jackster> like those old themes you could set in Windows 98 :-D
[19:45] <jackster> it was fun 10 years ago, not so much now
[19:46] <jackster> and it doesn't seem like you can change that from inside the Notifications area :(
[19:46] <LukeL> Unagi?
[19:47] <mefisto__> jackster: did you do the "turn off all sounds" thing?
[19:48] <prince_jammys> jackster: i have the old kcontrol and it's under system notifications , event source:the kde window manager.   if you have the newer system-settings it should be in there
[19:59] <ScorpKing> i'm trying to mount a nfs disk from a livecd with sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/home/data /mnt/ but i get "wrong fs type or bad option". what am i doing wrong?
[20:00] <king> can you help me with compiz please?
[20:06] <mefisto__> ScorpKing: just a guess, maybe that last / after mnt ?
[20:07] <ScorpKing> hmm.. could be
[20:07] <neo> anyone knows how to install shu mod on azureus?
[20:07] <ScorpKing> mefisto__: nope
[20:07] <tertius> Hi guys
[20:07] <tertius> i've install vncserver using apt-get for kubuntu
[20:08] <tertius> how do i start it up and connect from windows to it
[20:08] <jpatrick> !vnc
[20:08] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[20:09] <neo> !shu mod
[20:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shu mod - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:09] <MrJigsaw> What app do you guys use to encrypt harddrives ?
[20:09] <anon32> none
[20:10] <anon32> do *you* want 5MB/s transfer rates? :-P
[20:12] <mefisto__> ScorpKing: what about leaving out the -t nfs ?
[20:13] <ScorpKing> mefisto__: no luck either. one sec
[20:16] <zkyjoe> anyone who might have some time to help me with some kubuntuproblems please msg me
[20:17] <ScorpKing> !ask | zkyjoe
[20:17] <ubotu> zkyjoe: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:18] <Ayabara> anyone know how I can upgrade the intel wireless drivers on ubuntu? there seems to be a problem with the supplied drivers and my AG 4965 card
[20:20] <zkyjoe> I'm experiencing that nethack loads when I start it, but won't start. I've tried to restart it about 200 times and reinstall it a few times. Anyone have any ideas how I can fix nethack?
[20:21] <epsileth> !ksmserver
[20:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksmserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:21] <Lynoure> Ayabara: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/16768 seems to tell you...
[20:22] <tertius> hi guys
[20:22] <tertius> is there a apt-get for vmware server?
[20:23] <tertius> GzWcCf666
[20:23] <tertius> oops
[20:23] <ScorpKing> tertius: yes
[20:23] <Ayabara> Lynoure, thanks. I was actually on that link already. I started to install the deb from the bottom link, but it told me that it already had a newer one..
[20:24] <ScorpKing> mefisto__: this is what i'm doing btw - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DDtoNFS ;)
[20:24] <Lynoure> Ayabara: well, it also links to the driver download page...
[20:24] <tertius> Ok ScotpKing....wat is the line for vmware?
[20:24] <Lynoure> ...with FAQs and howtos
[20:24] <tertius> sorry...its dark in here
[20:25] <Ayabara> Lynoure, yep. trying that now
[20:25] <ScorpKing> tertius: sudo apt-get install vmware-server
[20:25] <BillGatesThe3rd> trying to install Opera.  It's a deb file and it keeps failing.  it's the first deb dile I've double clicked apart from trying Skype which had the same problem.  it says a file can't be found.  Is there a known problem with Pakage Installer for Kubuntu?
[20:26] <tertius> ScorpKing
[20:26] <tertius> E: Couldn't find package vmware-server
[20:27] <ScorpKing> !find vmware-server
[20:27] <ubotu> Package/file vmware-server does not exist in gutsy
[20:27] <Lynoure> Possibly from the company site... it's not open source...
[20:27] <ScorpKing> tertius: it sais Section: partner/misc
[20:28] <jussi01> BillGatesThe3rd: Id suggest using the repos for both of those ( partner repo for opera, !medibuntu for skype)
[20:28] <ScorpKing> Lynoure: the server is in the repos, not the player
[20:28] <jussi01> !vmware
[20:28] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[20:28] <ScorpKing> ah thanks jussi01 :D
[20:28] <jussi01> :D
[20:28] <level1_> hi, I have a raid 1 setup and mostly its worked okay except that on occassion (randomly) when it boots, I get an (initramfs) prompt.  If I reboot its fine, but any ideas on why it could happen?
[20:28] <tertius> thx
[20:29] <BillGatesThe3rd> jussi01: I get "poackage doesn't exisit error"  I don't understand !medibuntu
[20:29] <tertius> !sudo
[20:29] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[20:29] <BillGatesThe3rd> jussi01: I did the repo for skype.  but do you knwo for Opera?
[20:29] <tertius> a
[20:29] <tertius> cool
[20:31] <level1_> is it possible if I change my kernel line in grub's menu.lst to set the root as one of the drives, as opposed to the raid 1 of both of them, would it be okay? root=/dev/md0 -> root=/dev/sda6
[20:32] <level1_> that way its fine as long as sda is fine, and once it boots it should generate the raid device automatically
[20:32] <BillGatesThe3rd> jussi01: found it "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner"  many thanks for your reply!
[20:32] <jussi01> :)
[20:32] <frinuxfr> hi
[20:33] <jussi01> !medibuntu | BillGatesThe3rd:
[20:33] <ubotu> BillGatesThe3rd:: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[20:33] <frinuxfr> do you know how to export a SVG (created with inkscape) to a PDF file ?
[20:34] <unagi> LukeL: u still here?
[20:35] <mefisto__> frinuxfr: just print it with the pdf file printer
[20:35] <BillGatesThe3rd> jussi01: thx
[20:36] <unagi> am i suppose to have 4 swap partitions?
[20:36] <unagi> !swap
[20:36] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[20:39] <ScorpKing> mefisto__: i'm done. thanks for the suggestions :)
[20:39] <epsileth> just restarted kubuntu 7.10 after an update and am now getting "could not start ksmserver, check your installation" after logging in, any thoughts?
[20:40] <Agent_bob> electrical storm got my last modem.   i'm down to a 14.4k 8bit isa card.      any good source for internal modems that will work with linux (i.e. real modems) ?
[20:40] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: check out linmodems.org (i think)
[20:41] <frinuxfr> mefisto__> I cannot, it doesn't use the basic interface to print, so that I cannot choose the printer
[20:41] <Agent_bob> to find hardware ?    ok...
[20:41] <acemo> is there any kde alternative for Avant Window Navigator?
[20:41] <ScorpKing> !hardware | Agent_bob
[20:41] <ubotu> Agent_bob: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport - To help debugging and improving hardware detection, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingHardwareDetection
[20:42] <Agent_bob> ScorpKing heh.  ;/
[20:42] <ScorpKing> :)
[20:43] <dZen|n|> can somebody help me, I have no sound.
[20:44] <Lynoure> !sound
[20:44] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:44] <Agent_bob> dZen|n| cat /proc/asound/cards
[20:44] <dZen|n|> 0 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[20:44] <dZen|n|>                       HDA NVidia at 0xfe024000 irq 2
[20:45] <Agent_bob> !hda
[20:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:45] <ScorpKing> hmm.. what happened to that factoid?
[20:45] <Agent_bob> !hdaintel
[20:45] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[20:45] <dZen|n|> its weard, I had sound for couple of days ago. Then I got some updates and now it's not working :(
[20:45] <Agent_bob> dZen|n| ^
[20:46] <crookshanks> links everywhere!
[20:46] <jussi01> dZen|n|: likely it was the kernel updates we had
[20:47] <ubuntu> hi everyone :P
[20:47] <dZen|n|> yes I had a kernel update last night
[20:49] <BillGatesThe3rd> is there any easy way to get a trash bin on the desktop?
[20:50] <BillGatesThe3rd> the widget version is ueless.  I want to quickly empty the can
[20:50] <mefisto__> frinuxfr: you could convert it to png, then open in gwenview or some other kde app, then print to pdf
[20:51] <slow-motion> n8
[20:56] <mefisto__> BillGatesThe3rd: right-click on desktop, create new, link to location (URL), then put in "trash:/" for the location and name it whatever you want
[20:57] <Agent_bob> the linmodems.org site is all about kernel 2.2 and some 2.4 stuff which means it's about 4 years out of date  (at least)     and neither of the links you have pointed me to have anything on locating hardware (probably recycled) that will work.  i already know how to find out if a specific card will work or not.  if that was the intent of the links you posted.       so    no help ?
[20:57] <acemo> is there any kde alternative for Avant Window Navigator?
[20:58] <BillGatesThe3rd> mefisto__: ty.  made.  only prob is it doesn't highlight tha thte trash can be emptied, even though the context is there greyed out.
[20:58] <jussi01> acemo: avant window navigator?
[20:58] <ScorpKing> Agent_bob: you will have to ask around then. try in #linux and #ubuntu as well
[20:59] <Agent_bob> k
[21:00] <unagi> if i have 4 swap partitions can i remove 3 of them?
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> yes
[21:00] <ScorpKing> unagi: yes
[21:00] <unagi> how do i know which ones to remove
[21:01] <mefisto__> BillGatesThe3rd: do you have anything in trash? delete something and try again
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> unagi » remove any of them...
[21:02] <unagi> linux will use whatever is left?
[21:02] <BillGatesThe3rd> mefisto__:  deleted a txt file and still doesn't allow delete from mouse menu
[21:02] <BillGatesThe3rd> brb have to restart.  sound sys died.
[21:02] <acemo> jussi01: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9992/avantdockyh1.png heres a picture of it.. its basicly a launcher bar with active programs listed in it and basicly would be a full replacement for the bar at the bottom of kde
[21:02] <Agent_bob> unagi sudo swapoff -a   remove the ones you want and   sudo swapon -a   what ever is left will be used.
[21:02] <unagi> thank you
[21:03] <jussi01> acemo: no, I know what it is. I was just saying it works perfectly in kubuntu also
[21:03]  * Agent_bob did swapoff -a and removed them all.....
[21:04] <acemo> jussi01: it does? i saw this on a site... Cons:  - KDE icons looks unclear.
[21:04] <jussi01> acemo: works perfectly for me here
[21:04] <acemo> jussi01: alright ill try it then thanks :)
[21:04] <jussi01> :)
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> AWN?
[21:04] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: yeah
[21:05] <sourcemaker> !vmware-server
[21:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vmware-server - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:05] <sourcemaker> !vmware
[21:05] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> too GNOMISH for me, and besides doesn't support kwin4 compositing
[21:06] <unagi> !kwin4
[21:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwin4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:06] <unagi> !kwin
[21:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:06] <unagi> =/
[21:06] <jussi01> !info kwin4
[21:07] <ubotu> kwin4 (source: kdegames): Connect Four clone for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 176 kB, installed size 612 kB
[21:07] <jussi01> !botabuse | unagi
[21:07] <ubotu> unagi: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[21:07] <mefisto__> desktops are getting far too pretty, imho
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> lol,not that kwin4
[21:07] <MrJigsaw> In order to make a DVD Drive work, do i have to mount it or ?
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw » yes
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> MrJigsaw » unless you mean for burning.
[21:08] <MrJigsaw> its for burning :-)
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> yeah, then just pop i the dvd and run k3b
[21:09] <MrJigsaw> Okay, cool, thanks.
[21:10] <Agent_bob> popeye the dvd ?
[21:10] <Agent_bob> oh pop in the dvd   sorry.
[21:11] <prince_jammys> Agent_bob: yeah the one with Robin Williams
[21:11] <Agent_bob> wasn't much of a movie was it
[21:11] <mefisto__> it was definitely a low point in his career
[21:12] <Agent_bob> only high point in the whole thing was "you can't inheiret a pipe!"     ug yug yug yug....
[21:12] <Agent_bob> !ot | me
[21:13] <ubotu> me: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:15] <_Angelus_> guys, isnt kmenu being updated automatic in kde4 when i install new applications?
[21:16] <Agent_bob> kbuildsycoco something or other --update
[21:17] <Agent_bob> for a manual update ^    but yes it's supposed to automatic update.
[21:17] <certainful> hey folks
[21:17] <mefisto__> unagi: where those extra swap partitions on separate physical disks?
[21:18] <mefisto__> *were
[21:18] <unagi> no
[21:18] <unagi> i just deleted them
[21:18] <unagi> hopefully when i restart i can resize my kubuntu partition to use it
[21:18] <certainful> ne1 wanna help a clueless newb?
[21:18] <mefisto__> just wondering how they got there
[21:19] <unagi> multiple ubuntu installs im sure
[21:19] <prince_jammys> !anyone | certainful
[21:19] <ubotu> certainful: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[21:19] <mefisto__> also wondering if you can have more than one swap partition on separate disks to get faster read/write to swap
[21:20] <sourcemaker> can someone help me? I am fighting with vmware-server since 2 days... without success... :-) Module vmnet is not loaded.  Please verify that it is loaded before
[21:20] <certainful> right sorry...I've got a wheel barrow full of dumb questions but I'll start with the least of 'em.... I got a how to on installing zd1211 and it says:
[21:21] <certainful> I need to install linux-source-2.6.15 on dapper
[21:21] <certainful> but I can't find that package.
[21:21] <MrJigsaw> Ive heard that its possible to use konsole as FTP program, how do i do that ?
[21:21] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: man ftp
[21:22] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you type ftp and then have to use ftp commands
[21:22] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: konqueror is easy too if you want gui
[21:23] <MrJigsaw> i would like to learn how to use the terminal :>
[21:23] <mefisto__> good for you MrJigsaw!
[21:23] <certainful> can ne1 help me setup my zd1211 chipset on dapper?
[21:23] <MrJigsaw> So its: ftp://<myftpdomain>@<username>:<password>/ or ?
[21:23] <certainful> point me in a good direction?
[21:24] <Aiden> lol
[21:24] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yeah a gui is definitely easier: most web browsers (for downloading) or an ftp client like kftpgrabber. But yeah you can do it from term -- the  commands are similar to unix commands (some are the same, eg. ls)
[21:25] <MrJigsaw> Sure gui is allways easier :).. but i liked flashfxp for windows, and i cant find another linux client that i like. so id rather use the terminal
[21:25] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: don't remember .. you need to read a tutorial or see an example of an ftp session
[21:26] <MrJigsaw> im googling as we speak :)
[21:27] <ScorpKing> MrJigsaw: ftp://yourname@server/ and it should ask for the passwd
[21:28] <MrJigsaw> invalid command
[21:28] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: did you find this -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=629996
[21:28] <prince_jammys> ScorpKing: he's doing it from command line, not browser
[21:28] <ScorpKing> prince_jammys: ah ok
[21:30] <dZen|n|> !hda-intel
[21:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda-intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:30] <ScorpKing> MrJigsaw: also look at 'man ftp'
[21:30] <dZen|n|> sound still not working
[21:30] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: first you type "ftp" .. you get a prompt, and then you have to read up on all the commands. you can also type "help" at the prompt for a list of commands.  But seeing an example is the best thing.
[21:30] <dZen|n|> I installed new alsa sriver :8
[21:31] <dZen|n|> !compiz
[21:31] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:31] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: i cant find any examples at google. nor a guider or anything :)
[21:31] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: http://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/ftp.html
[21:32] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: with example at the bottom
[21:32] <MrJigsaw> Thanks
[21:34] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: once you get past the logging in part, browsing and downloading is easy in ftp.  browsing is pretty much like browsing in your computer (cd,ls,etc) -- and there's always the command "help".  One thing that can be annoying is the whole passive/active mode, which you have to read up on
[21:34] <arcticpenguin380> does journalling protect aginst everything?
[21:34] <aharoon> hi iwant to disaple compiz fusion i use command kwin --replace it says finished paRSING the config file and it stop to responce  if i closed the conslole window every opend window disappear its titlebar then the pc hung
[21:35] <MrJigsaw> So right now im all about remembering the password for the FTP :P
[21:36] <MrJigsaw> Think ill wait with that till i get more keen on linux
[21:36] <dZen|n|> !hda
[21:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:36] <MrJigsaw> Im not even understanding how to open folders using terminal ;|
[21:36] <acemo> MrJigsaw: cd <foldername>
[21:36] <MrJigsaw> i wont it to open as a folder on desktop
[21:37] <acemo> ahh
[21:37] <acemo> konqueror <foldername>
[21:37] <Attila> hi guys
[21:37] <MrJigsaw> konqueror is a browser right ?
[21:37] <acemo> konqueror is a browser and filebrowser
[21:37] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: then learn that first ... don't mess with command line ftp right now.  learn how to browse files on your machine
[21:37] <Attilone> browser & file manager
[21:37] <aharoon>  hi iwant to disaple compiz fusion i use command kwin --replace it says finished paRSING the config file and it stop to responce  if i closed the conslole window every opend window disappear its titlebar then the pc hung
[21:38] <MrJigsaw> Well.
[21:38] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: it's also a file viewer (text, images, video, etc)
[21:38] <BluesKaj> MrJigsaw, try system menu "home folder" instead of trying in the konsole
[21:38] <MrJigsaw> i want it to open like when i have a folder at desktop :-)
[21:38] <MrJigsaw> Since i cant like press somewhere and open the root :(
[21:38] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: konqueror is a beast that does a lot of things - mainly web browsing and file browsing
[21:39] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: not sure what you mean
[21:40] <MrJigsaw> i have to open home folder and use go -> up 2 times to end op in root folder
[21:40] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: when you open konqueror, click on the house icon and you'll be in your home folder. from there you can move up all the way up to root and browse your whole filesystem
[21:40] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: right
[21:40] <MrJigsaw> I dont like konqueror
[21:40] <MrJigsaw> :D
[21:40] <Attilone> MrJigsaw: -.-
[21:40] <Attilone> it's awesome
[21:41] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you can also just type / and you'll be in root
[21:41] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: press F9 and you'll get a sidebar (if it's not already visible)
[21:41] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: type / in the konq box
[21:41] <MrJigsaw> konq box.. whats that now?
[21:41] <Attilone> what client do you use for irc guys^
[21:41] <Attilone> ?
[21:41] <MrJigsaw> kvirc
[21:41] <Attilone> ok
[21:42] <brenda003> how can i install the patch program w/o a CD?
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> you shouldn't need a CD to install Linux programs
[21:43] <SlimeyPete> is adept/apt asking you for a CD?
[21:43] <brenda003> SlimeyPete, yes
[21:44] <brenda003> sudo apt-get install patch leads to "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Kubuntu etc etc
[21:45] <SlimeyPete> OK. Are you on Gutsy 32bit? If so, download this : http://www.scruffbag.net/sources.list
[21:45] <MrJigsaw> Would it be possible to ass a folder down in system menu ?
[21:45] <MrJigsaw> ass=add
[21:45] <Attilone> lol
[21:46] <brenda003> SlimeyPete, ahh thanks
[21:47] <SlimeyPete> brenda003: if you put that in /etc/apt/ and then do an apt-get update it should work without a CD :)
[21:47] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: you mean system menu in k menu?
[21:48] <Attilone> MrJigsaw: don't know if you can do that but you can add an applet to do the same thing
[21:48] <MrJigsaw> no.. system menu in the task-bar
[21:48] <brenda003> SlimeyPete, thanks, makes sense! new at this apt-get stuff
[21:48] <SlimeyPete> you'll learn to love it :) and hate it when it breaks ;)
[21:49] <SlimeyPete> (but it doesn't break often)
[21:49] <Attilone> the applet's name is "quick file Browser"
[21:49] <MrJigsaw> What is that applet called Attilone?
[21:49] <brenda003> yeah i love it so far
[21:49] <MrJigsaw> okay
[21:49] <MrJigsaw> Lol :P
[21:50] <MrJigsaw> Attilone: its not quite anything like the folders in system menu ;)
[21:50] <Attilone> yes
[21:51] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: there's also bookmarks menu, which you can edit to point to directories, url's, etc
[21:51] <Attilone> but you can choose the starting directory
[21:51] <bassem> Hi , how do i install KDE4.0.1 on kubuntu 7.10
[21:52] <MrJigsaw> ALl right.. anyway im using dual-view, is there someway to stop kubuntu starting EVERYTHING right in the midle og the both screens?
[21:53] <Attilone> you mean dual monitor?
[21:53] <sourcemaker> how can I compile the vmware-server kernel module?
[21:53] <prince_jammys> i think he means split view in konq
[21:53] <MrJigsaw> I mean dual moniter, dual-view, twin-view.. whatever you wanna call it :)
[21:54] <Attilone> -.-
[21:54] <Attilone> sorry I have no idea, never tried dual monitor
[21:54] <Attilone> but it should be awesome :D
[21:55] <MrJigsaw> It is.. when its working problably :>
[21:55] <mefisto__> wish I could get my tvout to work in kubuntu
[21:56] <bassem> Hi , how do i install KDE4.0.1 on kubuntu 7.10
[21:56] <Tm_T> !kde4 | bassem
[21:56] <ubotu> bassem: KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:59] <MrJigsaw> Is there any music player for linux thats more like winamp than amarok? it apprently cant handle all my music it laggs constantly
[21:59] <Tm_T> !amarok
[21:59] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.8 (1.4.3 for Dapper LTS). Packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[21:59] <Tm_T> hmm, not that
[21:59] <Attilone> xmms
[21:59] <Tm_T> !music
[21:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about music - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:59] <Tm_T> bah!
[21:59] <Attilone> xmms is a winamp clone
[21:59] <Tm_T> !xmms
[21:59] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[21:59] <Attilone> very lightweight
[21:59] <Tm_T> meh
[22:00] <MrJigsaw> xmms hasent got any libery :(
[22:00] <Tm_T> Attilone: and very unmaintained
[22:00] <SlimeyPete> xmms is...old
[22:00] <SlimeyPete> very old
[22:00] <Tm_T> dead
[22:00] <Attilone> old?
[22:00] <Attilone> it works just fine
[22:00] <Attilone> and xmms 2.0 is coming soon
[22:00] <Attilone> so it's not dead
[22:00] <MrJigsaw> but its not possible to get a libary in it, right ?
[22:01] <mefisto__> resurrection!
[22:01] <Attilone> what you mean with library?
[22:01] <Attilone> a playlist?
[22:01] <MrJigsaw> Nope
[22:01] <Attilone> collection?
[22:01] <MrJigsaw> a libary where i put all my music
[22:01] <MrJigsaw> and then i can scroll, search and stuff in it. and add numbers to a playlist..
[22:01] <Attilone> well amarok works better for that
[22:02] <MrJigsaw> Nope
[22:02] <MrJigsaw> Amarok SUCKS at this allso
[22:02] <Attilone> ???
[22:02] <Attilone> why?
[22:02] <MrJigsaw> I have to wait 10 minutes from when i load a song till its possible to use the app again
[22:02] <MrJigsaw> 10 or more.. right now im on 18 minute of waiting time since i loaded the last song..
[22:02]  * BluesKaj looks for liberry , libary ...oh it's library ...well what do you know :)
[22:03] <Attilone> ?
[22:03] <Attilone> what kind of machine do you use?
[22:03] <MrJigsaw> Im using a AMd 4200 x2 and 4Gb of ram
[22:03] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: it might be busy creating/updating the database of your music
[22:03] <Attilone> lol
[22:03] <MrJigsaw> mefisto__: its been doing it for 2 days now ?
[22:03] <MrJigsaw> I thinks its because its just not made for more than 10 tracks ;)
[22:04] <Attilone> lol I have  a AMD 2600+ 256 RAM and it works fine
[22:04] <mefisto__> doing what? creating the database?
[22:04] <Attilone> what????
[22:04] <MrJigsaw> mefisto__: its been lagging for 2 days :)
[22:04] <MrJigsaw> Attilone: and how many numbers ?
[22:05] <MrJigsaw> numbers/tracks
[22:05] <Attilone> now maybe 40 tracks on the playlist
[22:05] <Attilone> severl thousand on the collection
[22:05] <Attilone> *several
[22:05] <Attilone> and my machine is very old...
[22:05] <MrJigsaw> I try adding 49K song to collections and its laggy as in hell :-)
[22:05] <mefisto__> MrJigsaw: also, it might be having problems creating the database if your filenames have odd characters, or incorrectly encoded/corrupted files
[22:06] <Attilone> 49000? xD xD
[22:06] <MrJigsaw> Yes. 49000 ~ 49k
[22:07] <MrJigsaw> well mefisto__... Dosent help me at all, just confirms that i need another client for music :)
[22:07] <Attilone> I think I found a solution to add entries to the system menu applet
[22:07] <Attilone> I have to logout to find if it's works
[22:07] <Attilone> see you soon
[22:08] <MrJigsaw> So theres only xmms and amarok for linux ?
[22:08] <Attilone> oh yes
[22:08] <Attilone> it worked
[22:09] <sourcemaker> how can I install virtualbox? FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
[22:09] <SlimeyPete> sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[22:09] <SlimeyPete> ^^ worked for me...
[22:09] <Attilone> MrJigsaw: are you still interested in adding directories to system menu?
[22:09] <SlimeyPete> if you've just installed it you may need to modprobe or reboot
[22:09] <mefisto__> Attilone: I'm curious about it
[22:10] <MrJigsaw> Yes Attilone
[22:10] <Attilone> it need some workaround xD
[22:10] <_Angelus_> guys . why dont i have an administrator button in the systemsettings of kde4.0.1?
[22:11] <Attilone> just create a directory in .kde/share/apps/ named "systemview"
[22:12] <Attilone> then copy the file "media.desktop" in it
[22:12] <Attilone> open the file in the text editor and edit "Name" and "Path"
[22:12] <tertius> !skype
[22:12] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[22:13] <Attilone> Path is the location in the file system
[22:13] <Attilone> and name the name it will appear in the applet
[22:13] <Attilone> once you done this just logout and login again, it worked for me
[22:14] <mefisto__> Attilone: how did you know the dir should be systemview? did it already exist?
[22:14] <Attilone> mefisto__: no it doesn't exist
[22:14] <Attilone> mefisto__: you have to create it
[22:15] <ibou> does someone know where can i find a config file for the quicklaunch menu on the right of the k menu ?
[22:15] <mefisto__> so how did you figure out it's systemview?
[22:15] <Attilone> just did some  search :D
[22:16] <mefisto__> ahh, /usr/share/apps/systemview
[22:17] <TuXman> !purekde
[22:17] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[22:17] <TuXman> lolz i use this bot whenever i need help
[22:17] <Attilone> I don't want to remove gnome packages anyway -.-
[22:25] <Attilone> Random Fortune: ...[Linux's] capacity to talk via any medium except smoke signals. 	-- Dr. Greg Wettstein, Roger Maris Cancer Center
[22:25] <Attilone> Random Fortune: > Linux is not user-friendly.  It _is_ user-friendly. It is not ignorant-friendly and idiot-friendly. 	-- Seen somewhere on the net
[22:25] <Attilone> anybody there?
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> MrJigsaw: there's a whole lot more than just amarok and xmms
[22:26] <Daisuke_Ido> exaile and rhythmbox are gtk+ apps
[22:26] <Daisuke_Ido> audacious is the successor to xmms
[22:26] <Attilone> I love xmms, it's just so lightweight
[22:26] <Daisuke_Ido> noatun and juk
[22:27] <Daisuke_Ido> Attilone: i would have to recommend audacious then
[22:27] <Daisuke_Ido> updated code base
[22:28] <tertius> !ssh
[22:28] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[22:28] <Attilone> audacious is a fork of a fork of xmms
[22:28] <MrJigsaw> Daisuke_Ido: any you can recomend ?
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Attilone: and gets a lot more attention than xmms.
[22:29] <ibou> does someone know where can i find a config file for the quicklaunch menu on the right of the k menu ?
[22:29] <Daisuke_Ido> MrJigsaw: i'm an amarok devotee even though i'm not using kde
[22:29] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: amarok is lagging probably because it's indexing the collection you just added
[22:30] <MrJigsaw> amarok keeps freezing here..
[22:30] <Attilone> xmms2 has been released
[22:30] <Attilone> I have to try it
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> ibou: what can't you config via the right-click config menu?
[22:30] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: for 2 days ?
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> MrJigsaw: how big's the collection?
[22:30] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: xmms is nice, like winamp
[22:30] <Attilone> ibou do you mean adding new directories?
[22:30] <MrJigsaw> 49000 songs
[22:30] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: but without a library
[22:30] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: ok 2 days is a bit long
[22:30] <Daisuke_Ido> then you aren't going to be able to use sqlite
[22:30] <ibou> Daisuke_Ido: i have an icon taht i can't erase which says me "wrong url"
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> you are going to have to set up mysql
[22:31] <Attilone> have you tried to split the search MrJigsaw?
[22:31] <MrJigsaw> split what search ?
[22:31] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: try xmms, or one of the new forks of xmms
[22:31] <Attilone> I mean the scanning
[22:31] <MrJigsaw> i did try xmms
[22:31] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: if you like winamp,you'll like xmms
[22:31] <MrJigsaw> but it hasent got a library
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> prince_jammys: those provide no media collection functionality
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> MrJigsaw: you might want to give exaile a look
[22:32] <Attilone> xmms2 seems to provide media collection
[22:32] <ibou> Attilone: i want to delete a buggy icon
[22:32] <Daisuke_Ido> i can guarantee it's not up to the standards of amarok.
[22:32] <MrJigsaw> Im installing Daisuke_Ido, taking a look thanks.
[22:32] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: i only know the names of others, but havent tried: banshee, rhythmbox(gnome), noatun
[22:33] <DigiDaemon> I need a refresher, using ATI on my laptop, I have kept updated and all, yet 3d accel is failing now.  I reinstalled the restricted drivers and still nothing it just resets X when I try to run anything requiring 3d.  Any suggestions?
[22:33] <Attilone> ibou: just right click and then remove applet?
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> DigiDaemon: don't get ati next time
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[22:33] <DigiDaemon> Agreed
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> better off leaving banshee and noatun alone
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> rhythmbox isn't bad
[22:33] <MrJigsaw> Daisuke_Ido: i think Exaile was just was i were looking for.. :-) Thanks
[22:33] <ibou> Attilone: doesn't work ...
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » do you have composite disabled in your xorg.conf
[22:33] <Daisuke_Ido> exaile's a bit better
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> exail's not bad
[22:34] <MrJigsaw> or meaby not..
[22:34] <DigiDaemon> nos: not even listed
[22:34] <MrJigsaw> dno really.. i would like something like winamp.. maeby im just going to have to wine winamp ;|
[22:34] <Attilone> ibou: what applet is not working?
[22:35] <Attilone> try xmms2 dude I'm going to try it now
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » you need this fix http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.felipe-alfaro.org%2Fblog%2F2006%2F09%2F06%2Fubuntu-edgy-ati-fglrx-dri-3d-acceleration-and-xorg-composite-extension%2F&ei=mHCzR6qIApTKgALi-6y9Bg&usg=AFQjCNEoH2kLI_mJNSHN_wrIYkrYzZMixQ&sig2=jQvgXtUYLoMVI5DogxXQrQ
[22:35] <Attilone> take a look to their website
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> eh... stupiod google redirect
[22:35] <MrJigsaw> Attilone: link ?
[22:35] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: i hear winamp works fine with wine -- but you should try the others -- there's so many
[22:35] <Attilone> MrJigsaw: http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Main_Page
[22:36] <MrJigsaw> im trying exaile as last prince_jammys, then im gonna have to consider wine or going back to windows
[22:36] <ibou> Attilone: i don't know the icon is white
[22:37] <Attilone> ibou: right click on the icon and tell me what's the name
[22:37] <Daisuke_Ido> MrJigsaw: once more
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> set up mysql
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> get it working with amarok
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> problem solved
[22:38] <MrJigsaw> its hard.. i just looked at a guide..
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> it's hard?
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not hard
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> it's very easy
[22:38] <MrJigsaw> Ye.. dident even understand first step :)
[22:38] <MrJigsaw> Im new to linux
[22:38] <DigiDaemon> nos: applied brb
[22:38] <ibou> Attilone: i can't see the name of the icons in the quicklaunch menu by right-clicking (right to the k menu)
[22:38] <Daisuke_Ido> so was i when i set it up
[22:39] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: when did you switch to linux?
[22:39] <MrJigsaw> 2 days ago :)
[22:39] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yeah, so don't give up, it's a lot to take in all in one shot
[22:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll walk you through the setup process
[22:39] <Attilone> ibou: I can't understand the problem
[22:41] <ibou> Attilone: thanks anyway
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> ibou: is everything on your panel locked?
[22:42] <ibou> Attilone: Attilone i think it's because i can't say it precisely in english
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> right-click an empty space on the panel and unlock
[22:42] <ibou> Daisuke_Ido: no it's just a little problem
[22:42] <Attilone> ibou: where you from maybe I can talk tour language
[22:42] <Attilone> *your
[22:43] <ibou> i have to go anyway
[22:43] <ibou> bye
[22:46] <Attilone> mmhhhhh xmms2 seems to be pretty good for what I can see
[22:46] <Attilone> I'm gonna install it :D
[22:48] <DigiDaemon> nos: I applied the fix and it didn't solve the problem
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » ok, what card do you have?
[22:48] <vinolencia> howdy all; i have a question on VLC and its web interface: im getting a 404 error when i try to connect to VLC through HTTP; and when i boot VLC through the cmd prompt it gives me a series of main and http interface errors
[22:48] <vinolencia> (the web interface worked well for several months, then recently just stopped for an unknown reason)
[22:48] <DigiDaemon> ATI xpress 200M
[22:50] <blazinfire> hey i need some help... i'm new with ubuntu and all that. i kinda would like to know the basic's of what needs done in order to keep the pc maintained and everything
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » oh... yech.... those the worst.
[22:50] <blazinfire> is it nessasaily a good thing to update everything in the update manager?
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj » hey you around?
[22:52] <Daisuke_Ido> blazinfire: why wouldn't it be?
[22:52] <Daisuke_Ido> especially if they're security or distribution updates
[22:52] <DigiDaemon> nos: yeah I had it going good fo a while then this, right after I upgraded my kernel
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> vinolencia » #vlc
[22:53] <blazinfire> well its always a good thing.. but my self i always stayed away from windows updates when running windows lol
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> blazinfire » not much really, applyupdates occasionally.
[22:53] <blazinfire> but i see ur point.. most of the updates are for security. and they wouldn't be junk like what microsoft would have lol
[22:54] <blazinfire> well i just got the kubuntu 7.10 discs the other day installed it. there's like 169 updates lol
[22:54] <Daisuke_Ido> blazinfire: that's because updates are being released constantly, not just a pack a month that may or may not break everything
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> blazinfire » ussually updates don't break stuff, and when they do (kernels) its fairly easy to revert back to the old one
[22:54] <Attilone> it's a good idea to wait some days before applying updates to the kernel
[22:55] <DigiDaemon> yeah tell me about it LOL
[22:55] <Attilone> :D
[22:55] <Attilone> XD
[22:55] <MrJigsaw> :>
[22:55] <DigiDaemon> nos: should there be a composite "0" line under extensions?
[22:55] <MrJigsaw> Funny.. i thought only quakenet got netsplits
[22:55] <blazinfire> yea thats understandable
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » yes
[22:56] <blazinfire> another good question is.... i'm not running off a network or anything.. should i find a good firewall for the machine?
[22:56] <Attilone> generally ubuntu needs to update a couple of times in a month
[22:56] <DigiDaemon> I am going to try to revert to my old xorg.conf and see what happens
[22:56] <Attilone> the firewall is already present
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> blazinfire » yeah, grab guardog or firestarter
[22:56] <Attilone> iptables should be already installed
[22:56] <DigiDaemon> brb
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> blazinfire » not totally neccesary since all ports are automatically blocked, but a good idea none-the-less
[22:57] <blazinfire> which would u perfer. guardog or firestart. personally i was looking at firestarter my self
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> blazinfire » I don't use either, so, whatever you like best
[22:58] <Attilone> I don't use any of them as well
[22:59] <blazinfire> well is there anything else i should know to get things runnin correctly and such?
[22:59] <blazinfire> but those are the two main concerns i had
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> blazinfire » not really...
[23:00] <DigiDaemon> nos: and I am just made of fail tonight
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » could you pastebin your xorg.conf?
[23:00] <DigiDaemon> !pastebin
[23:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:01] <blazinfire> well thanx alot i'm gonna get some work done lol
[23:02] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, I'm here now :)
[23:02] <patti_> hey peeps, anyone know how to get amarok to burn m4a files?  Ive gotten it working once, just dont remember how it was done...
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj » hey DigiDaemon here has the same ATI chipset as you and is having some problems
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> !info linux-image-generic
[23:03] <_Angelus_> guys why aint i having the administrator button in kde4  in system settings?
[23:03] <ubotu> linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22.14.21 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[23:03] <DigiDaemon> nos: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55926/
[23:03] <BluesKaj> ok DigiDaemon , what's nor working for you ?
[23:03] <BluesKaj> not
[23:04] <DigiDaemon> Blue: OGL / 3D
[23:04] <DigiDaemon> Blue: happened after the recent kernel update
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » that file is all screwed up...
[23:04] <WeedGrinch> Gparted Live CD wont work, once it loads the first selection screen, and I select an option, it doesnt do anything.  Any suggestions?
[23:05] <DigiDaemon> nos: that is how it is after reinstalling restricted
[23:06] <BluesKaj> ok DigiDaemon , what fglrx driver , the restricted one in system settings/advanced ?
[23:06] <DigiDaemon> Blue: yup
[23:07] <BluesKaj> ok DigiDaemon , which drivewr were you using before that ?
[23:07] <patti_> sorry, ask this properly this time...  anyone know how to get k3b to burn m4a files?
[23:07] <DigiDaemon> Blue: same one
[23:08] <BluesKaj> you're trying for 3d and dri ?
[23:08] <DigiDaemon> just trying to do a little gaming with wine honestly, but the OGL fails now
[23:08] <wimpies> Hi all, I have this k3b that says that I have no space on device but this is not the case ... ideas ?
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » try this config out... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55927/
[23:10] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » its mine, our setups are pretty similar.
[23:10] <DigiDaemon> brb tell ya how it goes
[23:10] <BluesKaj> DigiDaemon, you may need to turn on video overlay ...add this to your xorg file under the "device" : Option          "VideoOverlay" "on"
[23:11] <_FReeZ> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mem will free up your RAM and speed up your running system, execute it before any memory-hungy program and benchmark how many times faster it runs
[23:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj » yeah, I gotta remember to put that in mine
[23:12] <BluesKaj> bummer..no patience
[23:13] <BluesKaj> despite what he thinks this might help too : Option          "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[23:14] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, it works for some not too demanding internet games I've tried
[23:17] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, is  DigiDaemon running 2 heads?
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj » seems its a laptop.
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> (I hope not)
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> he's not coming back though... uhh oh
[23:17] <BluesKaj> well it could be cuz the X200M : the M is for mobility
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> right.
[23:18] <BluesKaj> my desktop uses the X00G
[23:18] <BluesKaj> X200G
[23:19] <BluesKaj> but I'm seriously considering upping my RAM and and a new graphics pci in the near future...as soon as the spring clearances start :)
[23:20] <nosrednaekim> they still make PCI gfx cards?
[23:21] <BluesKaj> i hope so
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> I thought it was a PCI-e and AGP game now.
[23:22] <BluesKaj> well, I do have one empty AGP slot
[23:23] <DigiDaemon> nos: failed
[23:23] <DigiDaemon> could it be the restricted drivers themselves?
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> DigiDaemon » didn't work at all?
[23:23] <DigiDaemon> nos: nope
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj » yeah, you can still pick up a low-end nvidia agp
[23:23] <Cicero_123> hello room
[23:23] <nosrednaekim> Sorry, I have to go eat.... I think BluesKaj will help you DigiDaemon➜
[23:24] <Cicero_123> bon appetite, norsrednaekim
[23:24] <DigiDaemon> ty 8)
[23:24] <Cicero_123> i turned the screen saver on, but it deosnt engage, what should i do?
[23:25] <BluesKaj> DigiDaemon, did you save your old Xorgfile
[23:25] <DigiDaemon> Blue: yup and it failed too
[23:26] <BluesKaj> DigiDaemon, you're on a laptop , right ?
[23:26] <DigiDaemon> Blue: unfortunatly yes
[23:28] <BluesKaj> DigiDaemon, I'm on a desktop , but a similar grfx card the X200G...I'll post my xorg file but you'll need to make some changes in order to use it.
[23:28] <DigiDaemon> sounds like a plan
[23:29] <BluesKaj> ok, hang on
[23:29] <DigiDaemon> Blue: I appreciate the help, what's bad is it was working earlier, and with laptops you can't just change the graphics
[23:33] <BluesKaj> yes DigiDaemon I do understand but what I'd like you to do is add these  lines to the "device section in yours , rather than copy my whole file and then edit. : Option          "VideoOverlay" "on"   ,then add this one below it :Option          "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[23:35] <DigiDaemon> Blue: done, anythign else?
[23:36] <_Angelus_> guys does someone know why suspend to ram isn't working on kde4.0.1?
[23:36] <nosredna_ekim> _Angelus_ » I don't think its calling the right program or something....
[23:37] <_Angelus_> nosredna_ekim: this porblem started when i changed to 64bit...
[23:37] <BluesKaj> DigiDaemon, are hooking your laptop up to a larger monitor sometimes ?
[23:37] <_Angelus_> i dunno if its an issue with kde4 or with kubuntu
[23:37] <DigiDaemon> nope
[23:37] <DigiDaemon> Blue: It's my "work" laptop
[23:37] <nosredna_ekim> _Angelus_ » you changed to 64 bit when you changed to kde4
[23:37] <_Angelus_> no
[23:37] <Dr_willis> i belive theres some powersaving issues with the 64bit distros still..
[23:38] <_Angelus_> but when i used kde4 on 32bit,  i didnt try suspend to ram
[23:38] <_Angelus_> but on kde 3 on 32bit it worked fine
[23:38] <BluesKaj> well DigiDaemon , try a relogin to see whether the new cmnds work
[23:39]  * DigiDaemon says pray for me
[23:39]  * BluesKaj prays 
[23:40] <miladen> Hey does any1 know what those shoes are called where weels can pop out under them? Used by dude in Employee of the month
[23:41] <Dr_willis> Wheelies - ive seen as one brand
[23:41] <Dr_willis> one of those ideas that pops up about every 10 years it seems.. :)
[23:44]  * user__ reinvents the hulahoop
[23:44] <MrJigsaw> Should i download one of these aMSN's for kubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=amsn&searchon=names&version=all&release=all&exact=1 ???
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> MrJigsaw » why not get it right from the repositories?
[23:45] <BluesKaj> uhoh , think DigiDaemon has trouble
[23:45] <nosredna_ekim> ya.... he knows how to get it back...
[23:45] <MrJigsaw> nosredna_ekim: because its an VERY old one in the repos
[23:49] <BluesKaj> nosredna_ekim, did you give DigiDaemon the command to get into xorg.conf to edit it if he can't get back ?
[23:49] <BluesKaj> from the TTY
[23:49] <nosredna_ekim> BluesKaj » no.... but last time I gave him a faulty one, he fixed it...
[23:50] <BluesKaj> I just gave him those 2 lines , they shouldn't break X
[23:51] <MrJigsaw> So noone can tell me if i can use one of the aMSN in thje link ? :/
[23:51] <nosredna_ekim> MrJigsaw » probably.
[23:52] <MrJigsaw> So Feisty or Gutsy ? Im using kubuntu 7.10
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> 7.10 is Gutsy
[23:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, MrJigsaw, lsb_release -a in the terminal will tell you
[23:54] <nareshov> ooh
[23:54] <nareshov> Bleach 160 is out :P
[23:55] <MrJigsaw> THanks BluesKaj..
[23:55] <BluesKaj> np
[23:58] <MrJigsaw> jmm..
[23:58] <MrJigsaw> how do i run a .package? :S
[23:58] <MrJigsaw> amsn-0.97-1.tcl84.x86.package
[23:58] <MrJigsaw> i tried dpkg -i
[23:59] <nareshov> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[23:59] <nareshov> or just click on it :D
[23:59] <oloughlin75> Is there a way to list all of you artists or songs or cds in amarok using mysql? To copy/paste or make a text file of the output?