[01:40] <NBrepresent> hey... can anyone give me pointers on setting up a fresh install for dial-up internet connection?
[01:59] <cheeseboy> anyone ever setup unrelircd?
[02:46] <Rynux91> hey, I need some help
[02:47] <Rynux91> every now and then, when I use firefox, my desktop will go blank...just the cursor and the background...
[02:47] <Rynux91> and all my windows will simply disappear..
[02:48] <Rynux91> I've left it a couple times hoping it'd fix itself...and when I come back, my desktop is completely f'ed up...
[02:49] <Rynux91> the panels are usually missing everything on them...
[02:49] <Rynux91> ...the icons are gone
[02:49] <Rynux91> and any programs I was running are closed...
[02:49] <Rynux91> I'm using 6.10. Anyone have any clue what's going on?
[03:57] <GregoryPew> I have a fresh install of Xubuntu and two of my drives are showing up on my desktop.  How can get rid of them?
[03:57] <GregoryPew> I really don't need anything but the trash icon
[03:59] <GregoryPew> anybody?
[04:00] <GregoryPew> I think I'm alone now
[04:01] <GregoryPew> There dosnet seem to be anyone hanging ar-oun-ound
[05:04] <graelb> hi there
[05:04] <graelb> my TTY's don't work... Nvidia video card, on a laptop, running the newest nvidia drivers installed with the restricted driver manager...
[05:06] <graelb> nothing huh?
[05:07] <maxamillion> graelb: define "don't work"
[05:08] <graelb> maxamillion: I'll hit ctrl+alt+F1 and the screen goes black for a second, then cycles through a couple of colors... but definately doesn't display the terminal
[05:08] <graelb> I mean...F7 will get me back to X, but i can't really use the others...
[05:08] <graelb> commands still work though
[05:08] <maxamillion> graelb: X works but it won't drop to a tty!?
[05:09] <graelb> if i log in on tty1, and use a command like... shutdown for example, it'll do it, but i'm doing it blind
[05:10] <graelb> Here's the almost-exact case
[05:10] <graelb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910
[05:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Blank ttys when using vesafb (vga=xxx)" [Unknown,Fix released]
[05:11] <graelb> but it just talks about it going black... my screen cycles colors, but still the same effect
[05:14] <graelb> maxamillion: iirc, if i reload the older nvidia drivers, not the new ones that'll allow compiz, the tty's work fine, but no 3d stuffs
[05:15] <maxamillion> graelb: huh ... that's a bit messed up
[05:15] <maxamillion> graelb: sorry i am of no help ... i've never heard of such a thing
[05:15] <graelb> maxamillion: hehe, no worries =) I was just curious if anyone had
[05:16] <graelb> maxamillion: The new build is codenamed hardy, do you know when the scheduled release is?
[05:16] <maxamillion> graelb: i would imagine somewhere mid april
[05:17] <maxamillion> graelb: but an exact date i don't have
[05:17] <graelb> maxamillion: *nods* sure, sure =)
[05:18] <graelb> maxamillion: well thank you for listenin' anyway =)
[05:24] <maxamillion> graelb: anytime
[10:52] <Chobaca> has anyone here tried to install xubuntu on a ibook 800 MHz?
[10:53] <Chobaca> or does anyone know of an irc channel for xubuntu on mac?
[11:03] <ablomen> Chobaca, maybe #xubuntu-ppc?
[11:04] <Chobaca> I'm on it
[11:05] <Chobaca> nooo i'm the onlyone there wich means I started the room right
[11:11] <TheSheep> Chobaca: try looking at the forums
[11:12] <Chobaca> yeah
[11:13] <Chobaca> but the search thingie at ubuntu forums is shit.
[11:14] <Chobaca> found this though :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[11:14] <Chobaca> there is an ubuntu-powerpc
[11:15] <Chobaca> I'll join that channel
[11:30] <totalwormage> good luck, it sounds sweet :D
[14:46] <Chobaca> sooo.... anyone here got any experience installing xubuntu on a ppc?
[15:54] <lovemedo> hello, im making a philosophy thesis on Linux and its relation to Habermas' ideas on communicative action and the public sphere
[15:54] <lovemedo> need your thoughts
[15:57] <maxamillion> lovemedo: not familiar with Habermas .... you have a link on a synopsis on his theory?
[15:57] <maxamillion> link to a*
[15:57] <lovemedo> hold on
[15:58] <lovemedo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Habermas
[15:58] <lovemedo> check out his theories on public sphere and communicative action
[15:58] <lovemedo> i want to prove a point that the community behind Linux makes it far more superior to profit-driven software companies
[15:59] <lovemedo> and far more humane
[15:59] <lovemedo> basically i want to legitimize Linux's place as a philosophical and sociological phenomenon as much as it is a feat of technological achievement
[15:59] <lovemedo> i wonder if that could work
[16:01] <TheSheep> lovemedo: you want to cite us in your thesis? ;)
[16:01] <TheSheep> lovemedo: I guess you'd rather need to analyze some mailing lists and repositories to see the actual behavior
[16:01] <lovemedo> of course
[16:02] <maxamillion> lovemedo: it would work perfectly, linux is a shining star in the realm of "real world proof that open source 'works'" ... open source software is based entirely on a community based collaboration development model
[16:02] <lovemedo> i have to actually
[16:02] <lovemedo> cool beans!
[16:03] <maxamillion> the public sphere concept can be easily mapped to the culture that engulfs all that is the open source community
[16:06] <lovemedo> thanks, thats what i needed to hear
[16:06] <lovemedo> it'd be really nice to have as an opening quote the first message torvalds sent with regards to Linux
[16:07] <lovemedo> the speech act that started it all
[16:07] <maxamillion> lovemedo: have you found the email?
[16:07] <maxamillion> i think i have a link to it around here somewhere
[16:07] <lovemedo> nope, not yet
[16:07] <lovemedo> i think i did see it before in the online book the bazaar and the cathedral
[16:10] <maxamillion> lovemedo: lemme get you a link ... just a sec
[16:10] <maxamillion> lovemedo: http://www.linux.org/people/linus_post.html
[16:10] <lovemedo> thanks
[16:10] <maxamillion> np
[16:18] <TheSheep> lovemedo: looks a lot like the original Wiki community
[16:20] <lovemedo> i just decided maybe its time to give Linux props in the academe
[16:21] <lovemedo> i believe people in the field of social science would consider the GNU/Linux community a treasure trove of new models and ideas that could be applied to other realms of human interest
[16:22] <maxamillion> lovemedo: i completely agree, as well as the wiki culture being a large addition and integral part
[16:37] <roland_> hello everyone
[16:37] <roland_> could anyone help out! i accidently deleted my panel
[16:38] <TheSheep> roland_: alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[16:39] <march_afk> roland_: press ALT+F2 enter:  xcfe4-panel &
[16:39] <roland_> ok lemme try
[16:39] <roland_> command not found
[16:39] <roland_> bash: xfce-pane: command not found
[16:40] <march_afk> + l
[16:40] <TheSheep> roland_: xfce4-panel
[16:40] <TheSheep> roland_: and don't do it in terminal, do it via alt+f2
[16:40] <TheSheep> roland_: otherwise it will disappear when you close the terminal
[16:40] <roland_> TheSheep,  nothing appears when i press alt + f2
[16:40] <roland_> TheSheep,  it works in terminal but when i close it the panel disapears again
[16:41] <solar_george> logout and login again
[16:41] <roland_> ok then lemme try
[16:41] <roland_> brb
[16:41] <TheSheep> whadda ya mean nothing appears? :/
[16:42] <roland_> same thing
[16:42] <roland_> panel is still missing
[16:42] <roland_> how can i get to the alt+f2 outcome
[16:42] <roland_> im trying the alt+f2.. but nothings happening
[16:44] <TheSheep> roland_: you are running compiz or something like that?
[16:44] <soldats> just try it from terminal with "xfce4-panel &" then minimize the terminal make sure you save sessions on logout then logou and back in
[16:44] <roland_> TheSheep,  i dont know
[16:44] <TheSheep> soldats: it won't save in the session if it's run from terminal
[16:44] <roland_> TheSheep,  the thing is i did ctrl+alt+esc.. aand i was trying to kill a certain application tht was hanging
[16:44] <roland_> i did it while it was minimized
[16:45] <roland_> which wht caused the whole prob
[16:45] <roland_> so TheSheep  tell me how to get to the alt+f2 outcome..
[16:45] <TheSheep> roland_: maybe try running 'xfrun4' from the terminal
[16:45] <maxamillion> roland_: can you right click the desktop and get a menu?
[16:45] <roland_> yes i added it maxamillion
[16:46] <roland_> i didnt have it b4.. but i had to add it to b able to access the menu list
[16:46] <roland_> TheSheep,  ok ill try
[16:46] <soldats> TheSheep: hmm strange it worked for when i had xfce. oh well :)
[16:46] <maxamillion> roland_: ok, use that and just go into the system configuration utility ... there is a panel config app in there
 try adding xfce4-panel in the startup programs
[16:46] <roland_> ok lemme try
[16:47] <roland_> ok i opened the xfrun4
[16:47] <roland_> then wht
 try adding xfce4-panel in the startup programs - you can get to that from your menu on the desktop - then logout/in
[16:48] <roland_> hey it worked
[16:48] <roland_> solar_george,  thanks but TheSheep ś advice worked
[16:48] <TheSheep> solar_george: that'd break the logout button
[16:49] <TheSheep> solar_george: it would just close the panel instead of logging you out
[16:49] <roland_> i went into xfrun4 and tped the panel
[16:49] <roland_> it worked :D
[16:49] <roland_> im gonna log out log in again to see if its gonna stick this time
[16:49] <roland_> brb lemme log out
[16:49] <TheSheep> roland_: check your keyboard shortcts and make sure ou hve xfrun4 somewhere in them
  Whoops - imagine trying to work out what had gone wrong if he only came back later with the prob
 I'll have to stop pretending that i know what i'm talking about
[16:53] <roland_> im back to thank you guys
[16:53] <roland_> it worked
[16:54] <roland_> thanks TheSheep  solar_george and every1 else
[17:49] <rothchild> Hi how do I get xfce to remember my router password so I don't have to re-enter it on every boot?
[17:52] <qwerkus> hello
[17:52] <qwerkus> I can t start apache2
[17:52] <qwerkus> log shows:
[17:52] <qwerkus> [Wed Feb 13 18:51:05 2008] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could not open mime types config file /etc/apache2/mime.types.
[17:52] <qwerkus> Configuration Failed
[17:54] <zoredache> how did you install apache?
[17:54] <qwerkus> apt-get install
[17:55] <qwerkus> i manually created that file
[17:55] <qwerkus> and it seems to work
[17:55] <qwerkus> besides i have no modules
[17:55] <qwerkus> no php
[17:55] <zoredache> did you try to manually change the configuration or something?
[17:55] <TheSheep> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mime.types&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[17:55] <TheSheep> weird
[17:55] <qwerkus> do not remember
[17:55] <zoredache> the 'standard' location for the mimes.types is /etc/mime.types
[17:56] <qwerkus> perhaps a symlink ?
[17:56] <zoredache> well that is why I asked if you had changed the configuration at all.  I am looking at a clean install of apache on gutsy, and it points at /etc/mimes.types
[17:57] <zoredache> look at the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf there should be a line - TypesConfig /etc/mime.types
[17:57] <qwerkus> looking...
[17:58] <zoredache> exit
[17:58] <zoredache> ack, ww
[17:58] <qwerkus> there is no mention of mime.types in my apache2 config
[17:59] <qwerkus> where can I get a *clean*  apache2 default config ?
[17:59] <qwerkus> (for 7.10 ?)
[17:59] <zoredache> you could remove+purge apache and reinstall I guess
[18:00] <qwerkus> what is the command line ?
[18:01] <zoredache> well I would do something like:  dpkg --get-selections | grep apache
[18:01] <zoredache> then a dpkg -P for each package listed... on my system that is: dpkg -P apache2-mpm-prefork  apache2-utils apache2.2-common
[18:02] <qwerkus> + mysql and php5
[18:02] <zoredache> but you may have gotten a different apache2-mpm package
[18:03] <zoredache> you shouldn't need to get rid of mysql...  and probably not php5
[18:03] <qwerkus> ok
[18:07] <qwerkus> still no php
[18:09] <zoredache> you reinstalled?
[18:10] <qwerkus> yup
[18:10] <qwerkus> everything
[18:10] <qwerkus> and config file is still missing mime.types
[18:11] <zoredache> hrm...
[18:12] <zoredache> how about this... run this command:  ls -lR /etc/apache2/
[18:13] <zoredache> and put the output on pastebin
[18:13] <batma8> hey guys, anyone in here using eeexubuntu?
[18:13] <qwerkus> WORKS
[18:14] <qwerkus> i forced-reload a couple aof time
[18:14] <qwerkus> and now i have php
[18:14] <zoredache> o.O
[18:14] <qwerkus> but i still need the symlink to mime.types
[18:14] <zoredache> ok then... I dunno what happened, but I guess that doesn't matter
[18:15] <RandyboY> How can i set up my xubuntu to actually use my "VGA-Card Sapphire Radeon 7000 64MB PCI DVI TV-Out Retail" and not just use vesa driver?
[18:15] <fredsua> Hi, I am new to the world of Xubuntu and Linux.  I was able to install Ubuntu on my desktop machine.  The one I'm using right now.  However, I am having difficulties installing Xubuntu on my laptop.  Can anyone help me?
[18:16] <rothchild> fredsua what is the difficulty?
[18:16] <zoredache> fredsua: ask your question... if someone knows how to help you and is avialable then they will
[18:17] <fredsua> I'm runing Xubuntu alternate.  Once it begins to install it stops at 6%
[18:17] <totalwormage> RandyboY: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[18:17] <zoredache> of course the first question is, did you verify the disk?
 Completely - the installer tends to wait there for a long time
[18:18] <fredsua> yes, the disk was verified.  I looked that up in the forums. LOL
 switch to tty4 ctrl+alt+F4 see if any thing is happening
[18:18] <qwerkus> how do i change mysql root password ?
[18:19] <zoredache> qwerkus: I don't know the syntax offhand, but the command is mysqladmin.  Check the man page, or the mysql web page for more details
[18:19] <qwerkus> ok
[18:20] <zoredache> of course if you are running a gui, you could also install the mysql gui tools, and just do everything from there
[18:20] <qwerkus> i did it
[18:20] <qwerkus> but the gui interface
[18:20] <qwerkus> requires to be authentificated
[18:21] <qwerkus> so i have to reset a least root pwd
[18:24] <fredsua> Hi I'm back
[18:24] <fredsua> the alt+shift+F4 took me to a black screen
[18:25] <fredsua> I need help installing xubuntu in my laptop
[18:26] <fredsua> Can anyone help me install xubuntu?
[18:26] <fredsua> I am very new to this
[18:27] <ere4si> where are you up to fredsua ?
[18:28] <fredsua> I am trying to install xubuntu on my laptop but it freezes at 6% during "select and install software"
[18:29] <fredsua> I using xubuntu alternate 7.10
[18:29] <ere4si> how old is notebook (laptops can explode!)
[18:30] <fredsua> is a 900Mhz Pentium 3, 10GB HD and 256RAM
[18:32] <ere4si> at the install prompt press F6 - type   noapic nolapic     then enter and have the ethernet cable unplugged
[18:33] <fredsua> I'll try it now
[18:33] <ere4si> k
[18:35] <fredsua> by the way, if I upgrade the RAM to 512, would I be able to run edubuntu?
[18:37] <zoredache> fredsua:edubuntu should run in that ammount of ram.  but cpu/disk space are also some factors in how well something will run
[18:37] <zoredache> you can always try it though
[18:38] <fredsua> I tried it before and it hung up the install.  I thought it was because I needed more RAM
[18:39] <zoredache> well the install is pretty much the same for each version if *buntu
[18:39] <zoredache> so if the alternate installer failed on xubuntu, it will probably fail on edubuntu
[18:39] <fredsua> hmmm
[18:39] <nanonyme> done a memory check?
[18:40] <nanonyme> installs actually hanging doesn't sound very good
[18:40] <nanonyme> more like data corruption or driver incompatibility
[18:40] <fredsua> I started doing it but I quit because it was taking too long
[18:40] <nanonyme> ah
[18:40] <nanonyme> that's different :)
[18:41] <fredsua> let's see if it installs xubuntu this time
[18:41] <fredsua> is there an alternate edubuntu?
[18:42] <zoredache> fredsua: of course you know that the only difference between most *buntes is the packages installed by default right?  You can add the edubuntu packages on a system you installed with xubuntu
[18:43] <zoredache> fredsua: there is probably a edubuntu alternate... if there isn't, just use the mini.iso, or the ubuntu server iso, install a cli system and then do an 'apt-get install edubuntu-desktop'
[18:43] <fredsua> cool!
[18:44] <fredsua> please excuse my ignorance.  I am a newbie from Windows.  LOL
[18:46] <fredsua> I think the Linux Ubuntu rocks over Windows.
[18:50] <fredsua> here's the moment of truth: 1% "select and install software"
[18:53] <fredsua> it did it again, it stopped at 6% while the CD-Rom keeps spinning
[18:53] <ere4si> give it a min
[18:54] <solar_george> it will just be caching the packages - if you used the netinstall you would have to wait for hours
[18:56] <deeps> fredsua: alt+f4, see the syslog output to see what's happening
[18:56] <fredsua> cool, it by passed this time!
[18:56] <fredsua> YEAH!!!!!!!
[18:57] <fredsua> Thanks a million ere4si
[19:02] <fredsua> Now, one last dumb question.  How do I get the edubuntu package in the xubuntu.  Do I do a search on Add/Remove?
[19:03] <solar_george> aptitude install edubuntu-desktop
[19:03] <deeps> sudo aptitude install edubuntu-desktop, but that'll switch you to the entire edubuntu setup instead of xubuntu
[19:04] <fredsua> and where to i type that?  what is aptitude?
[19:04] <solar_george> use synaptic and search for edubuntu-desktop
[19:04] <fredsua> thank you!
[19:04] <TheSheep> deeps: we try to recomment apt-get to users, as it's compatible with synaptic
[19:05] <deeps> k
[19:05] <TheSheep> deeps: using aptitude can give some headaches when you autoremove
[19:05] <ere4si> fredsua: good luck :)
 yeah but it can handle that its self
 of course that assumes that you only use aptitude
[19:07] <fredsua> me being a newbie to linux, the easier the better
[19:08] <solar_george> use synaptic
[19:08] <TheSheep> solar_george: the point is, new users are more comfortable with synaptic
 I just tend to type aptitude because thats what i use - i'll try not to though
[19:10] <fredsua> as soon as the laptop finishes installing xubuntu, I'll give it a try with synaptic.  Thanks to everyone who helped me!  You are all very kind.
[19:19] <lovemedo> gtg
[19:19] <lovemedo> thanks maxamillion  and TheSheep
[19:32] <slow-motion> hi
[20:08] <fredsua> what is the proper way of removing a USB thumb drive from Ubuntu once you are done using it?
[20:09] <crimsun> umount it
[20:09] <crimsun> either use the graphical environment's tool(s), or umount
[20:09] <crimsun> then just remove the device
[20:10] <fredsua> it doesn't matter if the light on the USB stays on?
[20:10] <crimsun> correct, it doesn't matter.
[20:10] <fredsua> thank you
[20:51] <slow-motion> n8
[21:37] <rdehler> i'm using compiz on xubuntu 7.10, and whenever i lock the screen my WM crashes
[21:41] <rdehler> i'm going to lock it right now
[21:59] <RandyboY> Im trying to get my "VGA-Card Sapphire Radeon 7000 64MB PCI DVI TV-Out Retail" to work in xubuntu by using this guide; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver , but comes up with an error. "Error: couldnt find RGB GLF visual"... What to do?
[21:59] <fredsua> after a successful install of xubuntu I decided to give edubuntu another try.  Nevertheless, the system froze.  If I'm running 900Mhz P3, 10G HD, and 256RAM, why can't I get edubuntu to install?
[22:00] <RandyboY> s/GLF/GLX
[23:31] <OfficerHotpants> hi everyone
[23:31] <OfficerHotpants> i'm trying to install Xubuntu 32-bit but during installation Ubiquity crashes at Step 6 of 7 and wont' seem to progress. any ideas on what the problem could be?
[23:37] <OfficerHotpants> hello?
[23:40] <zoredache> the first thing to check is to check your disk for defects... after that, you might want to try the alternate cd...  it tends to be more reliable in my opinion
[23:41] <OfficerHotpants> okay. i'll try that
[23:42] <OfficerHotpants> also, this might not be relevant. but can the login name have spaces?
[23:47] <zoredache> OfficerHotpants: no usually a login name should not have spaces
[23:47] <zoredache> for the best results pick something with letters and numbers only
[23:48] <OfficerHotpants> yeah, i just did that and ubiquity didn't crash this time >_<
[23:48] <OfficerHotpants> you'd think it would check for spaces and not crash. weird bug though