jameshsteveire: it will if the version in backports has a name newer than it00:45
jameshe.g. 1.1.10-1ubuntu1 or newer00:45
steveirejamesh: Is that consistent with backports naming schemes?00:46
jameshsteveire: I don't know00:46
jameshyou'd have to check Ubuntu's policies00:46
steveireIt seems to be. Current latest in gutsy is 1.1.8-2ubuntu2~gutsy100:46
jameshI think they usually make sure they have a version number less than the package they've backported00:46
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ubotuNew bug: #191732 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch summaries are incongruous on project Code page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19173203:26
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spivHuh, weird.  I'm reporting a bug, and just got "A summary is required" even though I entered a summary.  And now I can't reproduce it.  Very odd.05:26
jameshspiv: maybe you should provide a summary05:46
spivjamesh: I tried that :)05:47
spivIn the end, it turns out the bug was already reported anyway.05:47
pwnguinim not sure i like this personalization that some LP mailing lists apparently use06:04
jameshpwnguin: Barry's post?  It wasn't a mailing list post (although it was about mailing lists)06:18
* Fujitsu presumes it's using some secret method of emailing all members of a team, which the rest of the world would love but can't have.06:21
jameshFujitsu: mail merge06:26
jameshFujitsu: it's a feature of Microsoft Word06:26
jameshif you are using Outlook, it works really well06:26
pwnguinits rather annoying, as i presume its intended specifically for me06:27
pwnguinand requires some direct action hidden somewhere inside that wall of text =(06:27
Fujitsujamesh: Using some public datasource like +rdf? I presumed there might be some magic that was used to email even those who hid their email addresses, which would be very useful.06:31
jameshFujitsu: it probably did use private data, yes.06:31
FujitsuSo yes, it does use some secret method :(06:32
jameshbut now we've got mailing lists we could use a less secret method ...06:32
FujitsuDoesn't one have to opt into mailing lists?06:33
jameshit would make sense to have a beta testers announce list though06:34
FujitsuOne of the more recent needs I've seen for this feature was actually to tell people to join a mailing list. It was eventually done by abusing Malone.06:34
FujitsuIt would, definitely.06:34
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SyntuxHow would someone define Launchpad in few words?09:56
jameshSyntux: a website to help manage free software projects09:58
Syntuxdanke 09:58
Ngthe great source code supermarket!09:59
pygihey folks10:24
pygihow exactly would branch removal work? :)10:24
* pygi did read FAQ, yes, and there's no Delete branch magic as suggested there10:25
Fujitsupygi: It works, except if it has subscribers or is linked to anything else like a bug or blueprint.10:28
pygiFujitsu, it doesn't have them: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mario-danic/+junk/mainline/10:28
Fujitsupygi: I can't see why you can't delete that.10:33
FujitsuIt meets all the requirements that I know of.10:33
pygiFujitsu, perhaps because it's set as a branch for libisofs regardless of the thing that I removed it from a project?10:33
pygiit's weird, but oh well10:34
holtmannAny update on the pending approval for bluez-gnome translation template.10:34
Fujitsupygi: I have delete buttons for things on various projects.10:34
FujitsuI believe there is meant to be a fix for this (the lack of indication as to what's stopping you from deleting it) soon.10:35
pygithen it's just weird10:35
jameshpygi: you can't delete a branch if it has any bug<->branch or blueprint<->branch links or is the main branch of any project release series10:37
jameshpygi: if you remove the links, etc, you can delete the branch10:37
FujitsuAh, that's it.10:39
FujitsuIt's the trunk for libisofs.10:39
FujitsuBut that's not shown on the branch page.10:39
pygiFujitsu, yes, I told you that above  =)10:40
pygibut when I remove it from the project, ie. make it not be a branch of libisofs, the libisofs project still tracks it 10:40
FujitsuI thought you just meant it was assigned to that project, not the trunk.10:40
FujitsuTry now.10:40
FujitsuOh, bah.10:40
FujitsuWhy does LP give me permission to see +source when I'm not allowed to do anything on it?10:41
* pygi will try to go around the need to delete it with bzr upgrade magic10:42
Fujitsupygi: You need an admin or the owner of the project to remove the reference on https://launchpad.net/libisofs/trunk/+source.10:42
pygiah, right, I forgot I wasnt the admin10:43
pygiwill solve that soon :)10:43
pygithanks for help Fujitsu 10:45
ubotuNew bug: #191797 in launchpad-bazaar "+source shouldn't trick me into thinking I can change things" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19179711:06
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theseinfeldquestion: I have build the PPA in the team pages (http://launchpad.net/~libdc1394-dev) but the http://launchpad.net/libdc1394 project page doesn't have PPA and the link to the source package: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libdc1394-22 says that blah blah There is no current release of this source package in The Hardy Heron....12:16
theseinfeldhow do you get that PPA build in the project page?12:16
theseinfeldhow do you link it there?12:16
pygiFujitsu, I managed to do it, thank you jamesh as well :)12:16
theseinfeldanyone here able to answer those questions?12:21
theseinfeldcprov "elp!"12:22
cprovtheseinfeld: you can't link projects & PPA in LP yet, I suggest you to add a link in the project description for now.12:24
theseinfeldcprov alrighty then12:24
theseinfeldcprov thank you again!12:24
cprovtheseinfeld: np12:25
theseinfeldhow do you change the source package name?12:25
theseinfeldfor example: https://edge.launchpad.net/libdc1394/+distributions it shows 7.10 as libdc1394v2 as it should be libdc1394-2212:26
theseinfeldis this a bug?12:26
Fujitsutheseinfeld: It's not a bug. Links between packages and projects are maintained manually by various people.12:31
theseinfeldthank you Fujitsu12:31
FujitsuHm, there's no way to delete that link, unfortunately.12:32
FujitsuIt's not published in Gutsy, so there's no delete button12:32
theseinfeldso, Fujitsu, that will be there forever?12:35
FujitsuOr until I get around to filing a bug and someone fixes it.12:35
theseinfeldThat would be nice12:36
theseinfeldThank you Fujitsu12:36
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kikohey Fujitsu, good to see you12:53
rexbronHello everyone. You may have seen me in here asking this question before, but I have now deterimined that the either 1) the PPAquickstart guide is wrong or 2) the distro override feature has not been implimented (even for beta testers) yet.13:36
rexbronThe passage from the PPA guide is as follows: You can use PPA to build sources from other distributions that use .deb packages.13:36
rexbronUpload to ~<lp_name>/ubuntu/<suite> and the suite you specify will override the suite named in the upload changelog. You can upload a source from any Debian-compatible distribution straight to your PPA with no changes required. 13:36
rexbronI have done a diff only upload to two targets via dput, the only difference between the two being one has ~rexbron/ubuntu/gutsy as the incomming and the gutsy package still get rejected due to the MD5 sums matching an existing package13:38
rexbronPerhaps I should file a bug report?13:38
gmbrexbron: Give me a second, let me see if I can find someone to answer your question.13:40
cprovrexbron: you have upload a diff for a orig that doesn't match the one published in ubuntu archive.13:42
cprovrexbron: download the ubuntu orig and re-generate the diff, it will all work.13:42
rexbroncprov, this is for packages that are not in the ubuntu archives13:43
cprovrexbron: I don't see how exactly this error is related with the changesfile-override feature.13:43
rexbroncprov, let me see if I can explain it better13:43
cprovrexbron: in this case the diff/dsc doesn't match the orig that you have uploaded to your PPA13:44
rexbroncprov, but they do13:44
rexbronmy gutsy upload is being rejected due to the distro serise being listed as hardy13:44
rexbroncprov, Here is the exact error message for the gutsy upload:13:45
rexbronThe source openlibraries - 0.4.0.svn20080111-0ubuntu1~ppa3 is already accepted in13:45
rexbronubuntu/hardy and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution.13:45
rexbronYou have to modify the source version and re-upload.13:45
cprovrexbron: so, it's not a checksum error, as you've said.13:46
rexbronit was uploaded via dput with an incomming listed as ~rexbron/ubuntu/gutsy13:46
cprovrexbron: that's simple, you can't have the same version uploaded twice to the same archive.13:46
rexbronthe checksums match, but the distro serise has not been changed13:47
cprovrexbron: it says "version X is already accepted in hardy", thus you can't not upload it again to gutsy.13:47
rexbroncprov, could you look at https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart specifically the "using sources from other distrobutions" section and tell me if that works?13:48
rexbroncprov, if it is a case that one must upload gutsy before hardy (makes sense from the distro pov but not so much from a ppa one) then the documentation makes no reference to that fact13:48
cprovrexbron: ubuntu, debian, xandros, etc are distributions ... dapper, gutsy, hardy are distroseries. You 13:49
cprov've got tricked by the changesfile field name 13:49
rexbroncprov, fine, then it is a misunderstand on my part, but I still think that it would be a logical extention of that feature. woud it not?13:50
cprovrexbron: the natural logic-extension is to allow users to copy-packages within their PPAs 13:51
cprovrexbron: that's what we do in ubuntu primary archive13:51
cprovrexbron: do a single upload and copy source and/or binaries to other distroseries 13:52
rexbronSure, that is what I am after13:52
mrevellHey, anyone wanna help push a Launchpad story on Digg? Take a look at http://digg.com/linux_unix/Launchpad_s_source_code_supermarket/13:56
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CarlFKhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+package/devscripts  how do I report a bug against that?14:55
kikoCarlFK, launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug14:57
kikothen choose devscripts in the package chooser14:57
kikothen go!14:57
CarlFKgah.  should I report a lp bug?14:58
CarlFKwhy isn't there a link from the package page to the report a bug on this package?14:58
kikoCarlFK, if it's about that page not having a bugs facet, it's already reported14:58
kikothat page is a disaster14:58
CarlFKthat would be why :)14:58
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ubotuNew bug: #191852 in launchpad "Don't redirect http://lists.launchpad.net to the help wiki" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19185215:26
TomaszDcan someone look into adding a translation template for paprefs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paprefs/+bug/191854 ? :]15:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 191854 in paprefs "Translation template unavailable for paprefs" [Undecided,New] 15:27
TomaszDcarlos, my man, hi. Long time no see. Will you look into this please? :]15:28
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carlosTomaszD: hi15:58
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TomaszDcarlos, hello16:13
theseinfeldhow do you register a release for a package that you are responsible, but your are not a member of the motu team etc.?16:28
theseinfeldsee https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libdc1394-22/+builds for reference...16:28
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carlosTomaszD: Hi, I cannot do anything about paprefs16:36
carlosTomaszD: it's a package from universe, so the only way to get your translation added to the package is that an ubuntu developer adds it directly to the package16:37
TomaszDcarlos, how can I get a dev to include it?16:37
carlosTomaszD: basically what you did should be enough16:38
carlosIf you don't see any action, you could try at #ubuntu-devel to see whether any developer is able to handle that bug for you...16:38
TomaszDok, I'll pester them16:39
* theseinfeld is alone16:46
cprovtheseinfeld: what's bothering you ?16:48
theseinfeldcprov hehe... the slowness of the revu process? and incapacity to fix some launchpad issues :)16:50
cprovtheseinfeld: the fact we present https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/libdc1394-22 can be considered a bug itself. I'm working a solution for this.16:50
theseinfeldlike the thing with the source16:50
theseinfeldcpro the libdc1394-22 is one thing, but worse is the libdc1394v2 showing there :(16:50
cprovtheseinfeld: I can't comment about revu ... but I can help you with LP16:51
theseinfeldyeah... the beauty of revu :)16:51
* theseinfeld loves when getting attention from cprov16:51
cprovtheseinfeld: currently all known source-names are traversable, including PPA ones. We simply present the warning about the lack of publications in the specific context, which is causing confusion.16:52
theseinfeldcprov btw, in PPA if I delete some source packages, they are still in the repository16:53
theseinfeldcprov i guess I should submit a bug report to get them clean from the PPA?16:53
cprovtheseinfeld: my guess is that https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdc1394-22 is also coming from a PPA16:53
theseinfeldnope, cprov, I added it myself...don't ask how though, cause I don't remember. The v2 is coming from PPA16:54
theseinfeldcprov can you clear the PPA for me? or should I fill a bug report?16:54
cprovtheseinfeld: no, deletions will be executed 24 hours after the references to the files in question reach 016:54
theseinfeldthere are many packages that are there and they could be deleted as they are absolete16:54
theseinfeldcprov hmm16:54
theseinfeldcprov who is referencing those files?16:55
* theseinfeld is wondering...16:55
cprovtheseinfeld: did you re-use the orig in the subsequent uploads ?16:55
theseinfeldI uploaded new orig with the 2.0.2 from SVN16:56
theseinfeldtheoretically, cprov, the old one should be clean to be removed...16:56
theseinfeldif you go here though: https://edge.launchpad.net/~libdc1394-dev/+archive?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=superseded16:56
theseinfeldcprov you see a long list of packages dating from 2.0.016:56
theseinfeldthey show deleted, but they were still in the ppa.launchpad last time when I checked16:57
theseinfeldcprov: yep, check this out: http://ppa.launchpad.net/libdc1394-dev/ubuntu/pool/main/libd/libdc1394v2/16:57
theseinfeldcprov if you can explain why this is there, you will solve a big mystery for me 16:59
kiko-fud**** launchpad meeting in #launchpad-meeting in t-1h17:00
cprovtheseinfeld: uhm... the binaries generated by you source are not constant17:19
theseinfeldcprov are you saying that there is a disturbance in the force?17:20
* theseinfeld grins.17:20
cprovtheseinfeld: see libdc1394v2 - 2.0.0-1ubuntu7, for instance17:20
theseinfeldcprov that should be deleted17:21
theseinfeldif I click on https://edge.launchpad.net/~libdc1394-dev/+archive/+delete-packages I only see  the -22-2.0.217:22
theseinfeldcprov, if you can delete all the ppa, I would appreciate17:22
theseinfelddo you want me to submit a bug on ppa or QA?17:22
theseinfeldso you do it in the right way?17:22
kiko-fudtheseinfeld, you can delete packages yourself, you know?17:23
theseinfeldkiko-fud i know. there is something wrong going because they show deleted but they are still there17:23
cprovtheseinfeld: the very old binaries were not even superseded.17:23
kiko-fudah I see17:23
theseinfeldcprov they were my newbie mistakes17:24
cprovtheseinfeld: the way we do deletions (source-driven) we miss/ignore them.17:24
theseinfeldcprov how can we fix this?17:24
theseinfeldcomplete removal and I reupload the latest one?17:24
* cprov is thinking ...17:24
kiko-fudcprov, can the script be used to delete then?17:24
* theseinfeld is waiting for the big decission from cprov.17:24
cprovtheseinfeld: no, let's learn with this first ... 17:25
cprovkiko-fud: yes, we can manually delete the forgotten binaries using the cmd-line 17:25
cprovkiko-fud: but it's sub-optimal ...17:25
ubotuNew bug: #191887 in rosetta "Translation import queue filter displays inactive projects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19188717:26
cprovtheseinfeld: it's not hard to spot the problem, https://edge.launchpad.net/~libdc1394-dev/+archive?field.name_filter=libdc1394v2&field.status_filter=superseded17:26
cprovtheseinfeld: if you inspect the details, the "files" will should up when they shouldn't17:27
theseinfeldcprov it is true that it says that they have been removed...but why are they still there...17:31
theseinfeldcprov I am a bit tired... I will look tomorrow and let you know...17:31
theseinfeldcprov let me see if I got it wright: are you saying that because they are superseeded by another version they cannot be removed?17:33
cprovtheseinfeld: everything marked as *removed* was in fact removed, I'm talking about the records that are not marked as removed ...17:33
theseinfeldhow can I mark them if they don't show in the ppa?17:34
cprovlibdc1394v2 - 2.0.0-1ubuntu5 till libdc1394v2 - 2.0.0-1ubuntu717:34
cprov*exactly*, I'm filling a bug about it.17:34
theseinfeldcprov thanks. Going for dinner :)17:35
cprovtheseinfeld, kiko-fud: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/19189217:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 191892 in soyuz "Unsuperseded binaries can't be deleted from PPAs" [Undecided,New] 17:38
ubotuNew bug: #191891 in launchpad "OOPS accessing +expiringmembership for a person." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19189117:46
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ubotuNew bug: #191892 in soyuz "Unsuperseded binaries can't be deleted from PPAs" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19189217:50
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kiko-fud**** launchpad meeting in #launchpad-meeting in t-4 minutes17:56
mrevellhey dneary, thanks for your mail.17:58
dnearyHi mrevell17:58
dnearyNo problem17:58
dnearyBoth positive and negative, I guess17:59
dnearyWhen the best thing someone can say about the project is "your tech support team is very nice", you should probably be worried ;)17:59
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ubotuNew bug: #191899 in launchpad "OOPS renaming a team with a mailing list activated " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19189918:05
ubotuNew bug: #191900 in malone "Bug tracker admin: don't auto-add the previous base url as an alias without telling the user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19190018:10
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ubotuNew bug: #191916 in launchpad-bazaar "some LaunchpadTransport methods access backing_transport unconditionally" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19191619:10
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mptGoooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!20:02
thumperhey mpt20:19
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ubotuNew bug: #191945 in launchpad "I got an error changing the mailing list contact address" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19194520:50
ffmcan I have a release deleted?21:03
ffmcan someone delete https://edge.launchpad.net/gasp-code/unstable-0.2.x/0.2.0 ?21:05
mrmondayhow do I mark a milestone as finished? there doesn't seem to be an option on the /+milestone/beta-1/+edit page21:08
Fujitsumrmonday: Does the `Change details' action not take you to a page with an Active flag?21:15
mrmondayFujitsu, no21:15
AlexC_hey all,21:16
mwhudsonmrmonday: are you a beta tester?21:17
mwhudsonif not, try on the edge site21:17
AlexC_when registering a new project, at the very bottom it says 'Part Of' and 'Super-project. In Launchpad, we can setup a special "project group" that is an overarching initiative that includes several related projects.' - I'm wondering, how do I actually create this super-project thingy?21:17
mwhudson(i think a bug in this area got fixed recently)21:17
FujitsuAlexC_: You have to ask an admin.21:18
ffmhow do I delete a release? I made it by mistake.21:18
AlexC_Fujitsu, ahh ok, where do I ask - on the mailing lists?21:18
AlexC_Fujitsu, or through the 'Answers' part of LP?21:18
ffmAlexC_: the lattter21:18
mrmondaymwhudson, thanks, it appears on the beta site :)21:18
FujitsuAlexC_: Answers.21:18
AlexC_ffm, Fujitsu awesome, thanks very much21:18
Fujitsuffm: The same.21:18
mwhudsonmrmonday: good :)21:18
Fujitsuffm: Ask for it to be done on Answers.21:19
ffmFujitsu: kk.21:21
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ubotuNew bug: #191966 in launchpad "Over-long project display name/title isn't prohibited" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19196622:21
seb128can anybody there browse https://launchpad.net/bugs/191065?22:22
mwhudsonseb128: looks like a private bug22:25
seb128mwhudson: that I noticed ;-) I thought it was breaking the crash retracer ubuntu is using and wanted to untag it but I couldn't open it22:27
seb128mwhudson: but looks like the issue is not specific to this bug so that's alright22:27
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pooliewho manages Translations?22:55
carlospoolie: danilo, jtv and I22:57
carlospoolie: btw, hi :-)22:57
ubotuNew bug: #191988 in soyuz "corresponding binary package to source package missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19198823:41
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