[17:00] <Latty> Hey all. Running gutsy and I can't log into my MSN account with Pidgin - I can login via a web messenger - my details are correct.
[17:00] <Gnine> on system restart, one of 3 screenlets crashed and Evolution started with no prompt
[17:01] <Gnine> !support
[17:01] <ubotu> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[17:01] <Pici> Latty: #ubuntu for Gutsy questions please.
[17:03] <Latty> sorry, I said Gutsy
[17:03] <Gnine> otherwise nothing major. but unexpected wierd behaviour. firefox seems to be fine without the suggested update
[17:03] <Latty> I mean Hardy
[17:03] <Gnine> unmarked
[17:04]  * Gnine do not use pidgin
[17:06] <Gnine> matter-of-fact i dont use any messenger service other than irc or email
[17:06] <Gnine> so i am no help
[17:06] <Pici> Gnine: Me too ;)
[17:08] <heret1c> back
[17:09] <heret1c> there appears to be umpteen sources.list's available - in any other language than english.
[17:09] <Pici> heret1c: are you running gnome?
[17:10] <heret1c> pixi> kde, mainly. have gnome, too.
[17:11]  * heret1c suffers the curses of both worlds 8-)
[17:11] <Pici> heret1c: In adept, go to Manage Software Sources and make sure that the ones you want are checked.
[17:12] <Gnine> second time this week i hear that
[17:16] <heret1c> pici> yhanks. sometimes stepping over the brook to fetch water is dancing on your nose. 8)
[17:19] <heret1c> only thing linux REALLY needs now, is some all singing, all dancing, more-bbells-and-whistles-than-you-can-shale-a-stick-at mobile phone connection software.
[17:20] <heret1c> that's  a major gap.
[17:23] <heret1c> http://tinyurl.com/273fgw - force 5?
[17:24] <heret1c> erk, duty calls.
[17:27] <jeffMASTERflex> the trash is giving me issues... it this related to the new vfs?
[17:28] <jeffMASTERflex> it persistently displays directories that were already deleted
[17:29] <wastrel> sieve
[17:30] <wastrel> mobile phone stuff yes
[17:30] <wastrel> luckily there's a standard that works across all phones so it'll be easy to get broad support
[17:44] <Gnine> check that your ~/.trash  is empty
[17:45] <Gnine> there is a known bug about it
[17:46] <Gnine> just screamed at it 'permission denied'
[17:46] <Pici> ~/.Trash ;)
[17:47] <Gnine> yah
[17:47] <Gnine> you'll know when you see it.. but i just tried that and it is not longer working
[17:47] <Gnine> new bug apparently
[17:47] <h3sp4wn> wastrel: For all features ? (the thing about the phones)
[17:49] <wastrel> h3sp4wn: just joking, there's no universal standard
[17:50] <h3sp4wn> wastrel: ah - I thought bluetooth was pretty universal
[17:52] <wastrel> ah you're talking about that. i was thinkg about data sync
[17:52] <wastrel> yes bluetooth stuff i think is farily standardized
[17:53] <h3sp4wn> I can copy data etc from bluetooth but I have a common phone
[17:54] <h3sp4wn> I would be more interested in some way to flash semi recent nokia's (firmware change)
[18:04] <Pici> Hrm. Is anyone else having issues with no menus showing up in gnome-terminal?
[18:04] <Pici> I think it may be a translation issue.
[18:04] <h3sp4wn> I have that issue
[18:04] <h3sp4wn> using xfce4-terminal atm
[18:05] <Pici> I can click in the blank space, and have it come up... just wondering what bug/package this might be logged to.
[18:07] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -S `which gnome-terminal` | awk -F: '{print $1}' | xargs apt-cache madison
[18:08] <h3sp4wn> (useless in this case but that is the way to find out - gnome-terminal is the source package name
[18:30] <hyper_ch> hiho nice folks... I got a little problem. Currently I'm testing Hardy Alpha 4 with KDE 3.5.8 and Firefox 3 Beta 3.... now I noticed that when I want to open news in the browser from Akkregator it raises Firefox to the foreground. That is rather annoying. How can I stop that?
[18:31] <Unksi> set the focus stealing protection for firefox higher
[18:32] <hyper_ch> Unksi: can you elaborate?
[18:33] <Unksi> hyper_ch: right click the title bar, select advanced -> special application settings -> workarounds -> focus stealing prevention
[18:33] <hyper_ch> Unksi: found it out ;) I didn't set any priority :)
[18:33] <hyper_ch> Unksi: and so it failed to accomplish that workaround ;)
[18:33] <Unksi> tick it on, put force and raise the level as long as it stops it
[18:33] <hyper_ch> Unksi: thx
[18:33] <Unksi> no problem :)
[18:41] <hyper_ch> someone's having the same issue with konqueror but he can't seem to solve that
[18:41] <andre_pl> Is there any way to get firefox 2.0 back?
[18:42] <andre_pl> my online banking doesn't work with 3.0 :S
[18:42] <hyper_ch> andre_pl: there is :)
[18:42] <andre_pl> thank god
[18:42] <andre_pl> is it a pain?
[18:42] <hyper_ch> in aptitude (and also synaptic and adpet I think) you can set a specific version
[18:44] <andre_pl> hyper_ch: it says 3.0~b3 is the only available version
[18:44] <hyper_ch> andre_pl: then you might need to add a gutsy repo and force version from there
[18:44] <andre_pl> hmm... ok
[18:45] <hyper_ch> but I don't really know if that is a good idea
[18:46] <andre_pl> hmm. maybe I'll try opera or something.
[18:47] <hyper_ch> andre_pl: how about opera for online banking?
[18:48] <hyper_ch> andre_pl: maybe there's an ubuntu .deb on the ff homepage
[18:48] <hyper_ch> andre_pl: or try to download the .deb from package.ubuntu.com
[18:48] <andre_pl> good options.
[18:49] <andre_pl> hey, here's a wierd bug, totally unrelated.. anyone else noticed this? sometimes my 'new terminal' shortcut gets changed to just 'n' so every time i type an 'n' it opens a new terminal...
[18:49] <andre_pl> haha.
[18:49] <andre_pl> just have to hit alt+f n and the shortcut changes.
[18:50] <andre_pl> you can change any shortcut just by pressing a key with a menu entry highlighted.
[18:50] <andre_pl> wow
[18:50] <hyper_ch> nope
[18:51] <andre_pl> it doesn't do that for you?
[18:51] <andre_pl> in gnome-terminal?
[18:51] <hyper_ch> what's a gnome-terminal? ^^
[18:51] <andre_pl> lol
[18:51] <andre_pl> the terminal in gnome. ;)
[18:53] <hyper_ch> what's that? ^^
[18:53] <hyper_ch> Sysinfo for 'xubi': Linux 2.6.24-7-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDSempron2400+ at 1683 MHz (3371 bogomips), , RAM: 996/1010MB, 158 proc's, 12.34h up
[18:54] <andre_pl> :P
[18:55] <andre_pl> I used to love KDE, but it doesn't seem to work very well for tv-out/dual display stuff under ubuntu, and I do a lot of that... i still miss kde.
[18:55] <hyper_ch> it's my first kde install in the last 3 releases
[18:56] <andre_pl> Error: uncaught exception: Permission denied to call method Location.toString
[18:56] <andre_pl> thats the JS error thats preventing me from banking.
[18:56] <andre_pl> :S
[18:59] <andre_pl> i forgot i have 2 other gutsy machines in the house :)
[18:59] <hyper_ch> no clue about JS
[19:02] <arcticpenguin380> how do i enable the nvidia driver?
[19:03] <hyper_ch> arcticpenguin380: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[19:03] <hyper_ch> arcticpenguin380: at least that's what I think
[19:03] <arcticpenguin380> its installed
[19:03] <arcticpenguin380> but not enabled
[19:04] <hyper_ch> system --> nvidia xserver settings?
[19:04] <arcticpenguin380> brb
[19:08] <arcticpenguin380> not yet enabled =(
[19:09] <hyper_ch> then I have no clue
[19:10] <arcticpenguin380> g2g
[19:12] <kristjan_> then is hardy heron CD with kde4 going to be released? how long do we hate to wait?
[19:19] <toresbe> Has Hardy gotten to the point at which it is unlikely that your system will catch fire?
[19:20] <hyper_ch> toresbe: runs fine for me
[19:20] <toresbe> How many months is it from release?
[19:21] <hyper_ch> hardy is 8.04
[19:21] <coz_> toresbe,  it should be release at the end o f April
[19:21] <toresbe> oh, April. So it should be getting better by now.
[19:22] <toresbe> Once they fix dpkg, I'll upgrade, and keep my cat in another room lest it catch fire.
[19:22] <theunixgeek> Anyone use GNUstep? I need help opening Project Builder.  I don't know where it's located.
[19:22] <toresbe> No, nobody uses GNUstep. That's why it's broken all the time. :)
[19:22] <coz_> toresbe,  yes it should and the version numbering is 8.04 which is 2008 4th month
[19:22] <hyper_ch> april 20 - if I'm not mistaken
[19:23] <toresbe> coz_: I know what the version numbers mean. Just didn't know the version number. :)
[19:23] <hyper_ch> toresbe: the release number indicate the date.... 8.04 --> 2008 april (04)
[19:23] <toresbe> I know.
[19:59] <wastrel> april
[20:06] <arcticpenguin380> is it safe to remove the older kernels
[20:10] <tretle> is anyone else having issues installing from the live cd
[20:10] <Rotlaus> i have them remove without any problems
[20:10] <tretle> when its loading the live cd it enters busybox
[20:10] <tretle> no matter what option i choose
[20:11] <tretle> I can use hardy when i do a dist updgrade but Id like to be running from a clean install
[20:15] <tretle> anyone?
[20:27] <astabeno> I am running alpha 4 in a VMware virtual machine with the vmware toolbox installed.  When I open the toolbox it runs fine for about 20 minutes, then the toolbox closes for no aparent reason.  I can start the app back up again and it runs fine.  I am not running it from a terminal, and I am not closing the app.  Has anyone had this problem before
[20:29] <arcticpenguin380> why isnt the firewall enabled by defualt?
[20:39] <Tuv0k> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libselinux1-dev: Depends: libselinux1 (= 2.0.15-2ubuntu1) but 2.0.55-0ubuntu1 is installed
[20:41] <picard_pwns_kirk> I'm trying to set up a dual-head configuration with xrandr
[20:41] <picard_pwns_kirk> but I need to resize the xorg virtual desktop size
[20:42] <picard_pwns_kirk> when I add a section to my xorg.conf file, xorg blows up in my face
[20:42] <picard_pwns_kirk> is there any other way to do it?
[20:44] <Tuv0k> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libselinux1-dev_2.0.55-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man8/selinux.8.gz', which is also in package selinux-utils
[20:48] <picard_pwns_kirk> anyone have any advice?
[20:51] <astabeno> picard: have you tried envy, it sets up the xorg.conf for you.  It works for nvidea and ATI cards
[20:52] <picard_pwns_kirk> I have intel
[20:52] <jussi01> !envy
[20:52] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[20:53] <picard_pwns_kirk> that's why I'm using xrandr
[20:53] <jussi01> picard_pwns_kirk: isnt there some randr tray thing in the repos?
[20:53] <picard_pwns_kirk> I can add the monitor
[20:53] <picard_pwns_kirk> I need to set the virtual display size
[20:54] <jussi01> picard_pwns_kirk: what are you adding to the xorg?
[20:54] <picard_pwns_kirk> SubSection "Display"
[20:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> Virtual 3072 3072
[20:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> EndSubSection
[20:55] <jussi01> picard_pwns_kirk: if you dont mind, could you pastebin your xorg?
[20:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> (in section screen)
[20:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> sure
[20:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> it's not very descriptive
[20:55] <jussi01> thats fine
[20:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> http://pastebin.com/m64e858fc
[20:56] <picard_pwns_kirk> I just ran "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" and restarted x
[20:56] <jussi01> oh yeah, I have one like this also
[20:56] <jussi01> 1 moment
[20:57] <picard_pwns_kirk> k
[20:57] <jussi01> ok, IIRC, you need to have it like this:
[20:58] <jussi01> SubSection "Display"
[20:58] <picard_pwns_kirk> k
[20:58] <jussi01>  Virtual "3072x3072"
[20:58] <picard_pwns_kirk> in which section?
[20:58] <jussi01>  EndSubSection
[20:58] <picard_pwns_kirk> under screen?
[20:58] <jussi01> 1 sec
[20:59] <jussi01> yeah, under screen
[20:59] <jussi01> I think it was that you forgot the quotes and x
[21:00] <picard_pwns_kirk> mmkay, gonna restart x
[21:04] <Matir> join #mesa
[21:04] <Matir> err
[21:04] <coz_> whoa just did updates and firefox is way over size text  and icons
[21:05] <coz_> here's a screenshot   http://www.speedyshare.com/388127500.html
[21:06] <picard_pwns_kirk> nope
[21:06] <Matir> Anyone else have problems with OpenGL apps on Intel?  Particularly i965
[21:07] <picard_pwns_kirk> but now, it doesn't display test
[21:07] <picard_pwns_kirk> s/test/text
[21:07] <Amaranth> coz_: you somehow managed to zoom the whole UI
[21:07] <coz_> Amaranth, no just did updates and opened firefox :)
[21:08] <Amaranth> coz_: do you use a custom font setup?
[21:08] <coz_> Amaranth, no
[21:08] <Amaranth> curious
[21:08] <coz_> Amaranth, all default clean install of hardy
[21:08] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[21:08] <coz_> even theicons are larger
[21:08] <picard_pwns_kirk> would reboting help?
[21:08] <picard_pwns_kirk> rebooting***
[21:09] <Amaranth> picard_pwns_kirk: no
[21:09] <Amaranth> coz_: try changing the dpi in firefox
[21:09] <coz_> Matir, which apps are you talking about?
[21:09] <Amaranth> about:config, layout.css.dpi
[21:09] <Amaranth> try 75
[21:09] <coz_> Amaranth, ok trying now
[21:09] <picard_pwns_kirk> Amaranth: what do you recommend?
[21:10] <coz_> Amaranth, interesting it is set at  -1
[21:10] <Amaranth> picard_pwns_kirk: I've never used xrandr or any of that, I have nvidia
[21:10] <Amaranth> coz_: right, that's the default
[21:10] <Amaranth> it means "figure it out yourself"
[21:10] <picard_pwns_kirk> I'm gonna reboot
[21:11] <coz_> Amaranth, setting it to    1   fixed it for the most part
[21:11] <Matir> coz_, right now, mainly world of warcraft under wine
[21:12] <coz_> Matir, do you also have compiz fusion running?
[21:12] <Matir> coz_, nope
[21:14] <picard_pwns_kirk> back in x windows
[21:15] <picard_pwns_kirk> jussi01: how did you do yours?
[21:16] <jussi01> picard_pwns_kirk: I have ati, but I used to have intel. cant really remember
[21:19] <astabeno> I am having a hard time keeping vmware-toolbox running longer than 15 20 minutes on alpha 4.  The app keeps closing
[21:31] <coz_> ok I have to play with this firefox  since none of the addons even themes for the most part work any longer
[21:32] <wastrel> new firefox freaking me out
[21:32] <wastrel> yes
[21:39] <gQuigs> I'm using 2.6.24-8, and grub2.. and it stops booting at "Time: acpi_pm clock source has been installed"
[21:39] <gQuigs> followed by going to busybox because /dev/hda1 does not exist
[21:39] <gQuigs> 2.6.24-7 works fine
[21:51] <Oli``> My dmraid package is broken. I'm not sure if this is just a broken hardy thing or if it's a proper broken thing. Either way, I don't know how to progress. I need to install things yet I can't because it keeps complaining about dmraid being knackered
[21:52] <Oli``> I don't need dmraid anymore so I'm happy to nuke it but apt-get remove dmraid throws the same error as when trying to upgrade
[22:07] <danielm_> cool! new wallpaper :p
[22:28] <sistpoty> hi there... any gnome user with an nvidia card and an amd64 who'd like to test a version of sensors-applet built with nvidia support for me?
[22:30] <ethana2> can it measure GPU load?
[22:30] <jussi01> sistpoty: any chance it woulld work on kde?
[22:30] <ethana2> it's a gnome panel applet
[22:30] <jussi01> ahh, okies
[22:30] <ethana2> i think..
[22:30] <sistpoty> jussi01: then I wouldn't ask, as I'm running kde myself *g*
[22:31] <sistpoty> maybe there is some super s3cr3t trick to make it work, which I'm unaware of though
[22:33] <jussi01> sistpoty: heh, fair enough
[22:58] <h3sp4wn> Is there any stuff for pulse audio to add an analog tube compression type effect ?