[00:15] <hbons> hi, where do i propose a alternate theme to ship with ubuntu?
[00:17] <_MMA_> hbons: On the wiki.
[00:18] <hbons> _MMA_: ok, thanks:)
[08:20] <TuxCrafter> hello everybody
[08:20] <TuxCrafter> is the fluxbuntu artwork creator in this channel?
[10:07] <nothlit> troy_s: ^
[10:07] <troy_s> nothlit: ?
[10:08] <kwwii_> ok, so apparently my packaging skills suck
[10:08] <kwwii_> anyone here want to fix up the wallpaper package?
[10:08] <troy_s> kwwii_: What is there to fix?  Makefile hell?
[10:09] <kwwii_> troy_s: no, just some funky changelog stuff I don't get
[10:10] <troy_s> ?
[10:10] <nothlit> troy_s: someone asked for you earlier (flux art) :)
[10:10] <troy_s> nothlit: Oh missed it.
[10:10] <kwwii_> apparently the last version was wrong and now my version is wrong as well
[10:11] <kwwii_> I'll figure it out
[10:11] <kwwii_> personally, I find that having artists do packaging is silly
[10:12] <nothlit> isn't there a whole desktop team of developers who can package?
[10:17] <kwwii_> nothlit: well, nobody is interested
[10:17] <kwwii_> it took me two days to get one of them to even look at the source packages I made
[11:48] <xivulon> kwwii: added a few basic icons yesterday, in effect was quite trivial!
[11:49] <xivulon> I had been looking for some "tools" to generate icons within inkscape the day before did not occur to me to try save as in gimp...
[11:50] <xivulon> I must say they look far worse than the ubuntu one though...
[11:52] <xivulon> all these to say that I still need (proper) icons, but not that urgently... :P
[11:54] <kwwii> xivulon: cool, I'll add that to our team meeting and maybe we can find someone to help
[12:09] <xivulon> thx
[14:32] <Toma-> im looking for an article or guide on creating kde themes... anyone?
[14:40] <kwwii> Toma-: there is no general article on such stuff
[14:40] <kwwii> Toma-: but I am pretty good at it :-)
[14:40] <Toma-> what did you do to find out how stuff works?
[14:40] <Toma-> is it all plain text stuff?
[14:45] <kwwii> well, I have quite a few years experience (did all the suse artwork for 7 years)
[14:45] <kwwii> gotta head out now for a bit, bbl
[14:46] <Toma-> hmm ok thanks anyway
[15:15] <thorwil> i just learned that the artwork for the annoying bugs and brainstorm sites have to be modified, to not contain any hint of the ubuntu logo
[15:15] <andreasn> thorwil: hey!
[15:15] <andreasn> thorwil: thanks for your e-mail with the gtk logo
[15:16] <thorwil> that all because people on different levels have different ideas how official or "community-driven" the sites shall be
[15:16] <thorwil> andreasn: hi. np
[15:17] <andreasn> I think it looks great, we should probably add the thinner "inside" lines so it looks transparent
[15:17] <thorwil> so this is what you get for investing days. upper management kills it and never talks to you
[15:18] <thorwil> andreasn: bbiab
[15:42] <thorwil> andreasn: rl interruption, sorry
[15:42] <andreasn> np
[15:42] <thorwil> inside lines?
[15:42] <andreasn> http://live.gnome.org/GTKLogo?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=gtk-logo.png
[15:43] <andreasn> the "inner" dudes are slimmer
[15:43] <thorwil> aha!
[15:44] <andreasn> I can add that to your version, if you dont want to do it yourself
[15:44] <thorwil> andreasn: cool, it's your logo ;)
[15:44] <andreasn> Im really glad that someone with real perspective drawing knowledge took a look at this :)
[15:44] <andreasn> I kind of slept through those classes...
[15:44] <thorwil> andreasn: that someone is called Blender ;)
[15:45] <andreasn> aha!
[15:45] <andreasn> :D
[15:45] <thorwil> while i can do that manually, i took blender to have it absolutely perfect
[15:45] <thorwil> and for being able to fine tune the proportions by moving the camera
[15:50] <thorwil> kwwii: do you see a conflict between my annoying_bugs and brainstorm logos and the ubuntu logo trademark policy?
[15:51] <_MMA_> thorwil: Can you link us to something saying there was a conflict?
[15:52] <thorwil> _MMA_: private mail from henrik, so no
[15:54] <thorwil> i'm only disclosing this since the decision will be out for everyone to see and maybe i can get some argumentative help
[15:56] <_MMA_> Well if this was private, I dont think it should be brought up here. But generally speaking, I can see why people would want the logo gone. At least for the Launchpad bugs one.
[16:56] <kwwii> thorwil: well, good brand policy says that one never changes a logo but I am not sure how well that fits in this case
[16:56] <kwwii> thorwil: who told you this?
[17:00] <thorwil> kwwii: henrik told me. he said that the company actively works to avoid abuse of the logo and he implies its somehow in the trademark policy
[17:01] <thorwil> would anyone say google has a bad brand policy?
[17:01] <kwwii> thorwil: hrm, I'll ask him about whether this is his opinion or whether he got that from someone else
[17:01] <thorwil> kwwii: no need, i guess
[17:01] <kwwii> google is a special case as those changes are part of there short term branding
[17:02] <kwwii> s/there/their
[17:02] <thorwil> kwwii: this _might_ come from the global head of oerations
[17:02] <kwwii> are those logos for official sites?
[17:02] <kwwii> thorwil: I doubt that it came from anyone like that :p
[17:03] <thorwil> +p
[17:03] <kwwii> I know that we allow people to change the logo for non-official sites
[17:03] <thorwil> kwwii: seems it has just now been decided to treat the sites more like community projects and less official-canonicalesc
[17:04] <kwwii> hrm, then it should not be a problem I think
[17:04] <kwwii> I will check into this...the work you did was really nice I would hate to see that go to waste
[17:04] <thorwil> kwwii: thank you, this is what i was hoping for! :)
[17:05] <thorwil> maybe i should have PMed you, but earlier today i was a bit angry and thought everyone should know about these communication issues :/
[17:07] <kwwii> hehe, no worries, I can understand your frustration
[17:07] <thorwil> phew :)
[17:15] <kwwii> well, I am off for the evening, bbl
[17:28] <kwwii> thorwil: got a quick response from Henrick...it was a pretty official decision but I am discussing it with those who made it, I'll let you know what happens
[17:28] <thorwil> kwwii: ok