[00:00] faketang: hmm? The source is available since dapper. [00:00] faketang: Did you try the command crimsun_ wrote? [00:01] <_Angelus_> ah it would be good mjg59, because when first gutsy was out, i had to compile a custom kernel for my system to get it to work [00:02] crimsun_ / soren: I see main-menu in the main pool for security, but it's not showing up in hardy [00:02] ... [00:02] faketang: type: "apt-get source main-menu" [00:02] also, is(are) your deb-src line(s) for main active? [00:03] faketang: Or grab it from bzr. See https://edge.launchpad.net/main-menu [00:03] aren't there automatically generated diffs between debian and ubuntu packages? I found http://merges.ubuntu.com/ but it doesn't seem to have the package I'm looking for (ia32-libs) [00:03] hmm, for me it doesn't show up in an apt-cache search but apt-get source works fine [00:03] LaserJock: apt-cache doesn't show d-i compontents. [00:03] or components. [00:03] taggart: patches.ubuntu.com [00:03] soren: yeah, that's interesting [00:04] LaserJock: looking thanks [00:04] LaserJock: Not really. [00:04] LaserJock: They're not in Packages{,.gz,.bz2} [00:04] LaserJock: found it, great! [00:05] soren: I guess I would have expected it to find the source package, but thinking about I don't know why I'd expect that :-) [00:05] interesting -- as LaserJock noted, it's only in sources but not as a compiled package [00:05] LaserJock: :) [00:06] LaserJock: apt-cache showsrc main-menu will show it, thoug. [00:06] though. [00:06] right [00:06] <_Angelus_> mjg59: the guide worked [00:06] I just thought apt-cache search would be a bit more inclusive ;-) [00:06] _Angelus_: Yes, it will do. But now you have vesafb, and so there's the potential for other things to go wrong [00:08] <_Angelus_> what i did was , added fbcon vesafb vga16fb /etc/initramfs-tools/modules , and commented vesafb [00:08] <_Angelus_> vga16fb from /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer. then updated the initramfs image [00:08] <_Angelus_> mjg59: well, better then a blank screen or a bunch of words comming out dough [00:09] <_Angelus_> mjg59: can i make you a small question before i go ? [00:10] Sure [00:11] <_Angelus_> mjg59: i saw nvidiafb commented in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer. is there only a kernel nvidiafb or the binary package from nvidia provides an nvidiafb too? if so, which is better, vesafb or nvidiafb? [00:13] There's only a kernel one, and it doesn't support newer nvidia hardware [00:14] <_Angelus_> oh [00:14] <_Angelus_> ok [00:15] <_Angelus_> thanks alot mjg59 :) see ya dude, and try to fix the bootup splash for the next release :P [00:15] <_Angelus_> peaze [00:47] pitti, ping [00:50] emgent: He is not likely to be around at this time. [00:50] emgent: Either email him, or hilight him with the question/statement you would like to let him know about. [00:50] highlight [00:50] TheMuso, hehehe thnks :P [00:50] s/thnks/thanks/ [00:56] * StevenK searches for 'bzr restore' === jamesh__ is now known as jamesh [01:07] StevenK: Do you mean 'bzr revert'? [01:08] RAOF: Yes. My brain was promoting restore, probably from the output of svn revert [01:08] prompting, even [01:09] Heh. [01:09] ? [01:09] lifeless: Do you have a highlight for bzr and svn or something? :-) [01:10] lifeless: bzr has a serious bug. It can't guess what command the user wanted to run when presented with a word that's similar to the bzr command they were after :) [01:10] Haha [01:11] bzr needs smarter merging, it should figure out what I want to merge without being told [01:11] s/bzr/git/ win [01:11] * RAOF has unleashed the whirlwind. [01:12] RAOF: Do you feel suitably abashed? [01:14] Eh. Whirlwinds can be fun. [01:14] * RAOF wishes this machine wasn't under such memory pressure that only my current task is paged in. [01:15] lifeless: Oh, btw, one of the annoyances: i don’t like that what goes to ~/.bazaar/locations.conf is, well, there instead of under project/.bzr [01:21] What are the specific reasons for not adopting a Fedora style philosophy for keeping packages more updated ? [01:21] And what is this "Fedora style philosophy" of which you speak? [01:22] keeping with upstream changes, bringing them quickly and keeping the delta as small as possible [01:23] could is be done via -updates or -backports ? [01:23] -backports would be the appropriate place [01:24] -backports is unoffical though, yes ? [01:24] No [01:25] No. It's official. There are processes & such, and the repositories are hosted on Ubuntu mirrors. [01:25] oh, never mind then [01:25] Backports *could* do with more people testing, of course. [01:26] if you already like Fedora, why not use Fedora? [01:27] I like Ubuntu, it's just some times the lack of sync with upstream irks me slightly [01:29] selckin: really, thats quite a silly comment [01:30] ion_: you can put most things in .bzr/branch/branch.conf if you want [01:30] lifeless: agreed === iThreads is now known as Shely [01:33] lifeless: Can bzr push --remember do that? [01:33] ion_: it does in tag supporting branches [01:36] Ok, thanks [02:23] Any archive admin who can do the sync from bug 189243 before slangasek changes the topic? Thanks [02:23] Launchpad bug 189243 in libcrypto++ "please sync libcrypto++ 5.5.2-1 from Debian testing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189243 === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [02:26] hello I'm trying to solve a problem in the Debian pgp4pine package where on Ubuntu the user gets *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/pgp4pine terminated [02:26] but recompiling it with gutsy doesn't help. What should I look for? [02:32] StevenK, thanks for catching that issue with bluez-utils. I was starting to get rather frustrated that my BT mouse stopped working a few days ago. I just apt-get source'd it and then saw your changes :) [02:32] superm1: No problem :-) [02:34] StevenK: Get that SDL stuff sorted? [02:36] TheMuso: Nope. [02:36] StevenK: Damn. === asac_ is now known as asac === talcite_ is now known as Talcite [04:23] hey guys, I'm looking for the Totem-plparser 2.21 source code. Would it be sitting it bugzilla or anything like that? [04:31] Talcite: svn.gnome.org [04:31] pochu: thanks === TheMuso_ is now known as TheMuso [05:36] superm1: do you have any idea why mythfilldb and mythbackend are crashorama? [05:37] superm1: and btw.. the Predepend thing is wrong.. because we run the backup in preinst, at that time mysql is still down. it means that we need to do some more hacking in that direction i think [05:37] Predepend will try to configure mysql before mythtv, but that guarantees only that the mythtv postinst will run after mysql is up [05:45] thegodfather, the backup doesn't happen in the preinst anymore [05:45] the backend process does it itself [05:45] after it starts up [05:45] so the predepend should be right now [05:46] superm1: ok cool [05:47] superm1: did you ping anybody to get mythtv-common out of NEW? [05:47] libmyth-python is whats stuck in new right now [05:47] yeah i know that :) [05:47] i haven't since there is a very large line ahead of it [05:47] ok [05:47] but if you'd like to feel free :) [05:49] well more than i like, i need [05:49] otherwise my frontends can't upgrade and connect to the backends :) [05:49] have you seen any performance problems with recent packages? [05:50] because I change mcpu/mtune to march [05:50] superm1: not sure really.. i noticed some skipping with dvd player, but i can't pinpoint the problem to be mythtv [05:50] and i've seen some indications from people that its not working as well for them. I've been having issues myself performance wise before that, but wasnt sure if it got worse [05:50] superm1: the main frontend is slow generally [05:50] yeah [05:51] superm1: can you be more specific on what kind of perf problems you see? [05:51] well particularly video playback on higher resolutions is where the issue would see [05:51] like > 720x480 [05:53] what kind of video... [05:53] i have that setup (>720x480) but i got it running 2 days ago [05:53] so i don't have much to compare [05:53] and no HD sources yet [05:53] (real HD) [05:53] ah i see [05:54] well i'm doing some ppa builds for users to compare with the old cpu/tune and the new arch to see if there are performance differences [05:54] so those will be ready in a few hours [06:15] dmb: hi, are you awake by any chance? [06:15] yes [06:15] can i help you? [06:15] dmb: one quick question.. are you the same dmb that has been hacking on the HVR4000/HVR3000 in cx88 driver? [06:16] i'm guessing no, because i don't even know what that is [06:16] what is the cx88 driver? [06:16] dmb: hehe ok thanks :) worth a shot [06:16] dmb: v4l-dvb upstream [06:16] oh [06:16] didn't know any other dmb's existed besides me :P [06:17] well no big deal.. just curious :) [06:17] np === `23meg__ is now known as mgunes [06:39] Good morning [06:40] cjwatson, I branched from cdimage at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ to add a mythbuntu alternate disk. Would you be able to review if these changes are sufficient for building us an alternate disk? I don't have the ability to build a local mirror as that calls for, so I can't verify it. I pushed them to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/ubuntu-cdimage/mythbuntu-cdimage/ === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh [07:09] good morning [07:12] good evening [07:12] hi ion_ [07:13] Howdy [07:15] Hello, I filed bug #191933 and #192053 , who should I subcribe them too ? and are there any tags to add to them ? [07:15] Launchpad bug 191933 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all "mozilla-firefox-locale-all conflicts with firefox 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191933 [07:15] Launchpad bug 192053 in ubuntu "update-java-alternatives does not handle alternatives for firefox-addons-javaplugin.so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192053 [07:40] slangasek: FF did not happen yet? === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco [07:52] h pitti [07:53] hi pitti [08:05] Good morning [08:05] emgent: contentless pong [08:05] hi tkamppeter [08:05] hehehe :P === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === \sh_away is now known as \sh === jsg123 is now known as jsgotangco === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [08:28] erk, why is ndiswrapper in main? *shudder* [08:30] <\sh> moins [08:32] Doesn't synaptic support the 'Homepage' field yet? [08:38] pitti, it seems that your upload of s-c-p got stuck. [08:38] tkamppeter: I saw your mail [08:38] I didn't get a reject mail [08:38] I'll just reupload it [08:41] tkamppeter: done [08:51] pitti, now I got a reject message telling that mandatory info in the dsc file is missing, not telling which info. Strange, as I have only replaced the upstream source, I did not change anything in debian/control or so. [08:54] tkamppeter: what does it say exactly? [08:55] tkamppeter: hm, that's weird, it didn't even get signed here [08:55] tkamppeter: I'll rebuild the source pakcage here and try again [09:02] seb128> yes, I did post the F-Spot galleryexport bug upstream, and it already got fixed in SVN :) [09:02] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516620 [09:02] Gnome bug 516620 in General "[0.4.2] GalleryExport makefile tries to delete /usr/lib/f-spot/extensions/GalleryExport.addin.xml" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [09:03] LucidFox: ok, thanks [09:03] LucidFox: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines, following that would be nice [09:03] tkamppeter: ah, you gave me two different sets of files, one with a broken version number [09:04] tkamppeter: I reuploaded, should have worked now [09:04] I'll follow that in the future, thanks [09:05] LucidFox: thank you [09:11] mvo: hm, I got a cron.daily email now [09:11] mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/4603/ [09:11] mvo: can this be quiesced? [09:12] pitti: thanks. I know why, it will happen only once or when the key changes. but its probably best to file a bug so that I can ensure that the initial one is quite as well [09:13] ok, will do [09:13] thanks [09:15] mvo: bug 192074 [09:15] Launchpad bug 192074 in apt "uninteresting cron mail about key update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192074 [09:25] argx... package retrieval is broken === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:40] mvo: any idea about bug 75273? [09:40] Launchpad bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75273 [09:41] pitti: let me check [09:42] mvo: at least a shallow apt-get update/apt-get install/apt-get dist-upgrade test would be nice [09:42] to know that it wasn't broken for some silly reasons [09:42] pitti: right, I add test instructions [09:42] pitti: sorry for delay [09:42] NP, I just thought it was a bit urgent [09:43] hm, there are test instructions already, I will poke bdmurray or pedro about #75273 [09:44] mvo: and update-manager 0.45.4 sits in edgy-proposed for ~300 days now, too [09:44] pitti: what is the bugnumber for it? [09:45] bug #109216 [09:45] Launchpad bug 109216 in update-manager "upgrade not possible with 0.45.3" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109216 [09:45] mvo: there might be more, -proposed has two versions [09:46] * mvo checks [09:52] pitti: bug #109216 updated [09:52] Launchpad bug 109216 in update-manager "upgrade not possible with 0.45.3" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/109216 [09:53] mvo: I sub'ed sru-verification [09:53] thanks pitti [09:53] I do #107716 next [09:55] I really, really, really wish Hugin 0.7 gets released in time to still get to hardy. === stdin_ is now known as stdin [10:28] Riddell: can you please seed jockey-kde? I just NEWed it [10:30] pitti: ok [10:36] pitti: hey, aren't you _the_ hal-wizard, or do you know one?-) I've got a problem with hal-set-property, it refuses to work when run from a hal script, but the same command works when run by hand. sent an email to hal list but so far no replies [10:36] tjaalton: it's run as different users? [10:37] pitti: basically so, hal scripts are apparently run as haldaemon? but it's strange that it can't connect to hald which is run with the same privs? [10:38] tjaalton: I have only used it as root so far [10:39] tjaalton: usually hal addons are run as root [10:39] but they might choose to setuid() of course (and some do) [10:39] hmm, ok. I'll try to debug more [10:40] the script would set the xkb layout etc for input-hotplug.. [10:40] càxmotoap [10:40] Sorry. :/ [10:40] yay we know your password now [10:41] Nah, cat. :) [10:41] oh she knows it as well?-) [10:41] :) [11:24] Can somebody please give back geda-(gattrib|gnetlist|gschem|gsymcheck|utils) on all architectures? [11:28] zul: ping @ 189589 [11:28] zul: ^ bug [11:29] Fujitsu: done; next time, please use {a,b,c} shell globs :) [11:30] pitti: Thanks, will do so in future. [11:45] is there anyway I can inject a -j4 for make when doing packagbuilding to leverage the two cores of my cpu? [11:46] I just want that to be locally maybe picked up from some env-var instead of stuffing it permanently in the package (some file under debian) itself [12:03] MacSlow, I think there's a variable called MAKEFLAGS you can set that will be passed to all the children of make.. it might get nasty though with lots of recursive make calss. [12:03] *calls [12:03] MacSlow: dpkg-buildpackage has a -j flag too [12:03] according to man it will set MAKEFLAGS accordingly [12:04] in pbuilder its --debbuildoptions (gets handed through to dpkg-buildpackage) === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [12:26] Can anyone please explain this condition - db_get bcm43xx-fwcutter/cut_firmware || true [12:27] tkamppeter: just looking at the Brother Software Open License Agreement; this looks sufficiently free for universe to me; do you think otherwise: ISTR that you wanted to have it in multiverse? [12:29] pitti: hi [12:30] yeah we didnt realize they were in universe already at the time. [12:30] tkamppeter: oh, I see; no source code [12:31] tkamppeter: (I was just reading the license before) [12:32] pitti: Haha [12:32] zul: 'they'? [12:33] pitti: dendorbates [12:33] ill close it [12:33] you guys confuse me today :) [12:33] pitti: I tried testing the latest jockey for broadcom chipset. I have one question though. [12:33] zul: ah, you mean xen-3.2 binaries are already in universe; ok [12:34] slytherin: sure? [12:34] pitti: yeah sorry about it I just woke up as well [12:34] * pitti hugs zul; sorry, was just lacking context :) [12:35] pitti: jockey is supposed to use b43-fwcutter for firmware extraction right? And it (jockey) should show a dialog for selecting a local file or downloading from net right? [12:36] slytherin: it currently doesn't show a download dialog, no; it leaves the downloading and install to b43-fwcutter [12:37] I'd like to add the dialog for local files again, though [12:37] pitti: Yes, that is what I wanted to ask. Also I am trying to fix a problem with b43-fwcutter. Can you explain what this condition is - db_get bcm43xx-fwcutter/cut_firmware || true [12:38] slytherin: I think it tries to guess the answer from the old bcm43xx-fwcutter package [12:38] thus, if you already answered the 'download?' debconf question for bcm43xx, it won't ask you again [12:39] tkamppeter: *grumpf* this brother thing uses /usr/bin/brprintconfcl1 and /usr/local/Brother; this is horrible [12:39] pitti: What if question from bcm43xx-fwcutter package is not present? Will it assume the answer to be true? (|| true part) [12:39] I asked this last night but I guess no one was around [12:40] slytherin: no, the || true just means that the script doesn't abort if the answer is not present in the debconf db [12:40] I'm trying to solve a problem in the Debian pgp4pine package where on Ubuntu the user gets *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/pgp4pine terminated [12:40] but recompiling it with gutsy doesn't help. What should I look for? [12:40] hi jaldhar [12:40] jaldhar: does this result in a SIGSEGV? [12:41] jaldhar: in that case, apport should have picked it up and generated a crash report [12:42] heh actually it just kills my xterm [12:42] no crash report [12:43] ! [12:43] your xterm? wow, that's harsh [12:43] MOTU Q&A session in 17 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [12:45] pitti: Ok. if I understand it correctly the script will go ahead and try to download the firmware if old answer is not found. This is kind of problematic as the user may not have access to net and it will throw an error. Please let me know when you have added the old dialog again so that I will file a bug against the fwcutter package. [12:46] pitti: the debian bug is #457947 if you would like to take a look. The submitter has provided some extra information [12:48] jaldhar: ah, I see, SIGABRT; we explicitly ignore this since we got too many crash reports for cases where abort() was called, which weren't actually package bugs [12:49] jaldhar: I'm afraid that involves a real gdb session [12:50] ok. So let me see what I can come up with. Thanks. === danielm_ is now known as danielm [13:01] ArneGoetje: I got some issues with my norwegian characters (they look like this now: æøå, they should look like this: Ã¦Ã¸Ã¥) at my keyboard in kubuntu hardy after the last update, Riddell told me to ask you, here's the output of locale (three errors): http://pastebin.com/m21925474 === Igorot_ is now known as Igorot [13:25] asac, ah cool thanks for the tip [13:26] mvo, just wondering... do you know why zoom was kicked from compiz-fusion-plugins-main? === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn [13:27] MacSlow: zoom is part of the compiz-plugins package, fusion-plugs-main has ezoom [13:27] MacSlow: do you use zoom? I found ezoom superior in a lot of ways [13:28] the only use for zoom I have is taking closer tools to certain UI-elements now and then... and for that I prefer this "zoom-to-selection" of the normal zoom-plugin [13:28] ezoom does not offer that [13:30] MacSlow: ok, zoom should still be there, no sure if we enable it by default, because of ezoom [13:37] mvo, only moved in category [13:45] is there a problem with main mirror? [14:14] If any buildd admins are here, please rerun build for midori https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/midori/0.0.17-1 on architectures other than i386 [14:14] (they failed due to dependence on a package in NEW) [14:17] LucidFox: kicked [14:21] * pitti looks at ogra -- "etc/ /" and "usr /" in classmate-tools-0.1/debian/classmate-tools.install ??? [14:23] pitti, do ysou insist in having a makefile ? [14:24] ogra: no, but I wonder why you install upstream /etc/* and /usr/* into / [14:24] oh, the slashes [14:24] sholdn't that just be "etc" and "usr" ? [14:24] hmm, i wonder why they dont end up in / [14:25] yeah, actually it should, but the binary looks ok [14:25] hm, dh_install should fail on that [14:25] ogra: ok, if it actually works, fine for me; I just wondered, because it looks weird [14:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/4609/ [14:26] well, its surely ugly [14:26] ogra: man dh_install says "the [14:26] installation directory is given relative to the package build directory." [14:26] but the result is ok [14:26] I guess that could also be interpreted as "whatever you specify, we'll prepend debian/package" [14:26] hmm [14:26] ogra: ok, thanks for the heads-up [14:26] i'll clean it up anyway [14:27] just confusing, but apparently it is correct under above interpretation [14:30] "useradd -c "ClassmatePC Admin User" -m -p '$1$HNdD8xtG$ZYTwxGjrIBCyw3DYvtUoA0' -s /bin/bash" in classmate-settings.postinst? [14:30] ogra: ^ I heavily object to a static default password; that's not really a secret then :) [14:31] ogra: shouldn't this be locked by default and instead get a debconf/other interactive dialog to set passwords? [14:31] nop [14:31] oh, it's even written in a comment ("edubuntu") [14:32] that wont stay this way [14:32] (see pm for details) [15:00] anyone know where isight_usb went with the latest hardy kernel? [15:00] uvcvideo can't cope with the isight [15:01] jdong: Fabio's the right person to ask about that - he touched it last [15:01] My hardware got stolen, so I've no clue [15:03] mjg59: ugh... what got stolen? [15:03] dholbach: My Mac and a Dell [15:03] shit :( [15:03] Plus some other bits and pieces [15:03] how did that happen? [15:03] SOmeone broke in through the back door [15:04] Which reminds me, I need to phone the insurance company [15:04] it might be tough to find something there, but did you check on ebay? [15:04] Heh. Not really worth it [15:04] I at least tried it, when they stole my car [15:04] No important data on it [15:05] And this way I get a hardware upgrade :) [15:05] OK [15:05] mjg59: ouch :( [15:06] are the buildds/archive/something in manual mode or something? [15:09] dholbach: no, why? [15:10] oh, I'm still waiting for the fix that asac uploaded this morning [15:10] sladen: hi, am I late for FeatureFreeze? The topic here says the archive is open for development... is it ok if I upload a new aMule (universe) which also finish the libcrypto++ transition? [15:10] slangasek: ^ that was for you. [15:10] sladen: sorry [15:10] dholbach: given that I chase binary NEW since this morning I can tell you that the buildds are operating full speed :) [15:10] dholbach: the mirrors still don't have those locales? [15:11] ok [15:11] pochu: that sounds like a bug fix [15:11] pitti: yes but it's also a new upstream snapshot [15:12] pochu: if it has new features, please ask the new motu-release team [15:12] pitti: alright, thanks. === pitti changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Archive: Feature freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy, #ubuntu+1 for hardy | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [15:47] doko: Xb-Npp- headers got lost for the sun-java plugin packages :( ... maybe commit them to svn and send them to debian as well (I assume you prefer to sync)? [15:47] <\sh> doko: could you explain why we can't ship the java-doc zip packages, which are needed by sun-java*-doc package? :) [15:53] bdmurray, thekorn: do you think it'd make sense to upload py-lp-bugs / bughelper to the bughelper-dev team ppa for older releases too? [15:54] bdmurray, thekorn: it's not really supported for older releases, but it might make sense - what do you think? === mako_ is now known as mako [15:55] \sh: read the license agreement they require, on download [15:55] asac: really? I'll look at it next week [15:58] doko: thanks. [16:03] dholbach: so kind of like backports? that makes sense to me [16:04] bdmurray: we just need to make sure we upload it as ~gutsy1 , etc [16:05] dholbach: okay, I'll try to get to it before the class next week then [16:05] rock on [16:05] * dholbach hugs super-bdmurray [16:06] * bdmurray hugs dholbach [16:10] dholbach: just had the idea to maybe use gobby for the library session during the open dev week... do we have a gobby server somewhere, which I could use? [16:10] sistpoty|work: gobby.ubuntu.com [16:11] IRC could work too :) [16:11] dholbach: cool, thx! [16:11] mako: nxvl_work just told me that there is a edubuntu meeting at the same time we plan the CC meeting [16:12] mako: 20 Feb 20:00: Education Team [16:12] dholbach: and there is a server team meeting one hour after [16:18] nxvl_work: I mailed him in case he's not around here [16:20] dholbach: i think he must be online, as he has just edited the wiki, just not pending on the IRC [16:20] dholbach: but thats ok, i will wait :D thanks! [16:26] nxvl_work: you are off by one day, i think [16:26] nxvl_work: proposed cc meeting is *at* 20 on the 21st [16:26] apparently, i typed it incorrectly into the wiki :) [16:26] sorry about that! [16:27] mako: not on the wiki [16:27] mako: heh, ok [16:27] :D [16:33] sorry for the confusion === \sh is now known as \sh_away [16:57] morning all [16:57] I can't get a custom config I've created to be recognized by debian/rules when I try to build [16:58] $ AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules [16:58] binary-thinkpadmake: *** No rule to make target `binary-thinkpad'. Stop. [16:58] any ideas? [17:00] all: ping [17:19] does anybody knows why we use /media for windows partitions mounting? the fhs describes it as "This directory contains subdirectories which are used as mount points for removeable media such as floppy disks, cdroms and zip disks." [17:20] I'm having a discussion with the mandriva GNOME maintainer about how what gvfs should be listing [17:20] and they have the windows partitions mounted under /mnt so they think /mnt should be listed [17:21] where we use /media and don't list things in /mnt in nautilus [17:29] seb128: I'd prefer unmounted partitions not to be in /media. I have a couple partitions I only mount manually, and it is odd that there is a difference between calling `sudo mount /data` and double-clicking the icon for the partition in nautilus. This isn't directly related to Windows partitions, but I suspect a change for Windows partitions would also address my use case. [17:29] The justification being that fixed partitions not listed as automount in /etc/fstab aren't "removable media". [17:30] persia: well, they should not be in /media then, but they are [17:30] persia: and unmounted partitions are nowhere since they are not mounted [17:31] persia: nautilus uses gnome-mount and do the mounting when you double click on something not mounted [17:31] seb128: Right, but if I double-click the icon in "Computer", it mounts to /media, whereas if I run `mount /dev/sdb1` it mounts to /data. [17:32] (maybe I have a different issue, and should go research it and report a bug) [17:32] why would it mount to data? [17:32] when using mount you need to either have it in fstab or specify the mountpoint [17:32] seb128: Because there is an entry in the fstab to mount it there, but not to mount on boot. [17:32] ok, that's something you added [17:32] and gnome-mount should probably respect it [17:33] that's a gnome-mount bug and I different issue than my question ;-) [17:33] Ah. Nevermind then, I have a different bug. I'll dig up some details, and report it then. [17:33] I still think fixed disks aren't removable media, and support not mounting them in /media [17:34] well, that's not what we do now [17:34] and why was my question ;-) [17:35] hello [17:36] seb128: /mnt seems an equally bad choice (temporarily mounted partitions) to me... not too sure where it *should* go then though [17:36] seb128: once metacity 2.22 is released, are you against a backport to gutsy ? [17:36] seb128, now that gmyth is in universe, I've attached a patch for totem to that bug to activate it (it just modifies build depends in control.in), and verified it. slomo_ offered to upload it, so was there anything else related to this that would be troublesome? [17:37] My memory of Mandrake (which may not apply to Mandriva) is that there were many subdirectories under /mnt used to mount different things. [17:40] jeromeg: no, why should we? I'm not in the backport team and don't do backports anyway === mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz [17:40] mario_limonciell: I've seen that but I've quite busy at the moment, will look later [17:40] seb128, okay thank you. [17:41] seb128: yep yep, I know, but as it's maintained by the desktop team which you are one of the leaders, I just wanted to know your thoughts on this [17:41] jeromeg: I don't see the interest, that's only a window manager, new versions are not bringing a lot and I don't expect many users still running gutsy when hardy will be available [17:41] seb128: well, it brings the compositor [17:42] except that, yes, it has no real interest [17:42] echos I've had is that's it not that fancy and quite slow for many users [17:42] but as said I'm not part of the backport team, they can backport it if they want, I've no objection [17:42] doesn't seem a priority to me though [17:42] ok [17:43] thank you [17:43] you are welcome [17:49] got to go bye [18:13] seb128: No evidence that this was the basis, but the best documentation I can find is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartitionConfigure [18:15] persia: that spec has been deprecated [18:16]