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| === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: MOTU Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 20 Feb 01:00 UTC: TriLoCo-Midwest | 20 Feb 19:00 UTC: Platform Team | 20 Feb 20:00 UTC: Education Team | 20 Feb 21:00 UTC: Server Team | 21 Feb 14:00 UTC: Desktop Team | ||
| nxvl | @date | 03:51 |
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| emgent | @schedule rome | 03:51 |
| ubotu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: Current meeting: MOTU 20 Feb 02:00: TriLoCo-Midwest | 20 Feb 20:00: Platform Team | 20 Feb 21:00: Education Team | 20 Feb 22:00: Server Team | 21 Feb 15:00: Desktop Team | 03:51 |
| nxvl | @schedule lima | 03:51 |
| ubotu | Schedule for America/Lima: Current meeting: MOTU 19 Feb 20:00: TriLoCo-Midwest | 20 Feb 14:00: Platform Team | 20 Feb 15:00: Education Team | 20 Feb 16:00: Server Team | 21 Feb 09:00: Desktop Team | 03:51 |
| nxvl | emgent: isn't the MOTU meeting in 10 minutes ? | 03:52 |
| emgent | today is 15 Feb | 03:53 |
| emgent | motu meeting is in 20 Feb | 03:53 |
| nxvl | as in schedule | 03:53 |
| nxvl | but i think i read a mail saying it's tpoday | 03:53 |
| nxvl | today* | 03:53 |
| emgent | false | 03:53 |
| emgent | i think | 03:54 |
| emgent | but general meeting ? | 03:54 |
| emgent | or motu Loco meeting ? | 03:54 |
| nxvl | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-February/003280.html | 03:55 |
| nxvl | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-February/003330.html | 03:55 |
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| pochu | nxvl: that's in one hour, isn't it? | 03:57 |
| pochu | @now | 03:57 |
| ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: February 15 2008, 03:57:45 - Current meeting: MOTU | 03:57 |
| pochu | No, it's right now | 03:57 |
| emgent | some minutes ago should start | 03:57 |
| emgent | @now rome | 03:58 |
| ubotu | Current time in Europe/Rome: February 15 2008, 04:58:30 - Current meeting: MOTU | 03:58 |
| nxvl | @now lima | 03:58 |
| ubotu | Current time in America/Lima: February 14 2008, 22:58:42 - Current meeting: MOTU | 03:58 |
| TheMuso | @now Sydney | 03:58 |
| ubotu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: February 15 2008, 14:58:46 - Current meeting: MOTU | 03:58 |
| TheMuso | Ok, who do we have here? | 04:01 |
| nxvl | o/ | 04:01 |
| emgent | nxvl, you are not motu :P | 04:02 |
| nxvl | not yet | 04:02 |
| TheMuso | emgent: The meetings are open. | 04:02 |
| * pochu is half asleep, but here | 04:02 | |
| * nxvl es like pochu | 04:02 | |
| nxvl | i need to sleep in while | 04:02 |
| TheMuso | Hey LaserJock. | 04:02 |
| pochu | hey nxvl :) | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | wahoo, made it | 04:02 |
| TheMuso | Are people here who posted agenda items? | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | well, I added the last 2 | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | Ok, what aobut the first? Well I guess the first doesn't matter so much. | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | about | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | As it is, unless someone else wants to chair, I don't mind doing it. | 04:03 |
| TheMuso | Volunteer for minutes? | 04:04 |
| pochu | I think that was ScottK or \sh (the first one) | 04:04 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 04:04 |
| pochu | I can do them... tomorrow ;) | 04:04 |
| TheMuso | pochu: Thanks. | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | did we do a roll call already? | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | #startmeeting | 04:05 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 04:05. The chair is TheMuso. | 04:05 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings | 04:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: I just asked who is here. | 04:05 |
| TheMuso | Does anybody have anything to say about he first agenda item, or should be postpone it for the next meeting? | 04:06 |
| TheMuso | Hrm, and since there are only a few of us, I'm wondering whether we should leave them for the list/the next meeting/ | 04:07 |
| pochu | It sounds good to me, although it says "e.g." so it sounds as it should be discussed (or postponed) | 04:07 |
| pochu | TheMuso: we can wait a little to see if there is someone late | 04:08 |
| TheMuso | pochu: Yeah, perhaps I was a little hasty in starting things. :p | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | heh, we could at least have a quick discussion I suppose | 04:09 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: About which one(s)? | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | all of them | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | if not a lot of people show up | 04:10 |
| TheMuso | Yeah, and its looking increasinly like they won't, but we can wait a bit. | 04:10 |
| TheMuso | Yay, another MOTU. | 04:13 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: You are here for the meeting, aren't you? | 04:14 |
| pochu | motus += 1 | 04:14 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Yes, I am. Just a little late :) | 04:14 |
| TheMuso | Tis alright, we haven't started in urnist yet. | 04:14 |
| RAOF | Unless my UTC-foo is particularly bad. | 04:14 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: NO it isn't. | 04:14 |
| TheMuso | Well, what say we get started? | 04:15 |
| * ajmitch isn't exactly here for the meeting, is almost beer o'clock :) | 04:15 | |
| TheMuso | Or do you all think we should postponee? | 04:17 |
| RAOF | How many do we have? | 04:18 |
| TheMuso | nxvl, pochu, LaserJock, yourself, and myself. | 04:18 |
| RAOF | Hm. Doesn't seem a particularly good turnout, but will postponing get a better turnout? | 04:19 |
| pochu | and half of ajmitch! | 04:19 |
| RAOF | The soper half :) | 04:19 |
| RAOF | s/p/b/ | 04:20 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Well I think the times rotate now, so the next one is more likely to land in a more suitable timezone. | 04:20 |
| * LaserJock likes this time :-) | 04:20 | |
| RAOF | TheMuso: So that means we should go ahead, surely. The idea of rotating timezones would be so that everyone can participate. | 04:20 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Yes I know. | 04:21 |
| TheMuso | Alright, lets go. | 04:21 |
| TheMuso | [topic] mailing list policy (e.g. all MOTUs must be subscribed to devel-announce, should be subscribed -motu and -devel, where to post announcements etc.) | 04:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mailing list policy (e.g. all MOTUs must be subscribed to devel-announce, should be subscribed -motu and -devel, where to post announcements etc.) | 04:21 |
| TheMuso | Since whoever added that doesn't seem to be here, what does everybody think? It sounds rather self-explanetory. | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | are we wanting a wiki page that has the "You need to be sub'd to ubuntu-motu, ubuntu-devel, and ubuntu-devel-announce" | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | ? | 04:22 |
| RAOF | It does, yes. I think it's obvious that MOTUs should be expected to be subscribed to at least -motu & -devel-announce, and almost certainly -devel. | 04:22 |
| pochu | I think the "must be subscribed to -devel-announce" is sensible. | 04:22 |
| TheMuso | I think devel-announce, and -motu certainly. | 04:23 |
| pochu | The others shouldn't be enforced IMHO | 04:23 |
| pochu | hmm, -motu maybe... | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | really? | 04:23 |
| LaserJock | I feel like both -motu and -devel should be required | 04:23 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Certainly -devel if you are about to/are a MOTU. | 04:24 |
| TheMuso | As you are more active in the development community. | 04:24 |
| pochu | well important things go to -devel-announce. The rest is discussion so I don't think we should enforce it. | 04:24 |
| pochu | Although we should encourage it, of course. | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | mdz and others have said that the design of -devel should be for *all* developers and -motu should be just motu specific stuff | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | so I think people are really missing out on important stuff if they aren't sub'd | 04:25 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: Now that you put it that way, -devel is important enough, as some important discussions do come up from time to time, or someone wants something tested. | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | it's not like they are high traffic | 04:26 |
| pochu | I still don't think we should force people to subscribe to a list because they might be interested in a few mails | 04:26 |
| pochu | LaserJock: true that, due to the split in -devel-discuss for devel and -mentors for motu | 04:26 |
| TheMuso | nxvl: You still with us? Do you have any thoughts? | 04:27 |
| RAOF | pochu: Surely it's not *that* much of a burden? I get ~40 Ubuntu mails/day on busy days, and I'm subscribed to all sorts of lists. | 04:27 |
| pochu | Messages: 205 <--- ubuntu-motu in January | 04:27 |
| TheMuso | Yeah the traffic is not high at all. | 04:27 |
| pochu | Messages: 105 <--- ubuntu-devel in January | 04:27 |
| TheMuso | on -devel | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | I just feel like if -motu and -devel are really burdens then I have some other questions | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | if you know what I mean | 04:28 |
| pochu | RAOF: lucky you ;) I get hundreds every day, but I'm subscribed to too many I'm afraid... | 04:28 |
| RAOF | So that'd be ~10 mails/day for -motu & -devel being mandatory. That doesn't seem onerous at all. | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | I don't think we need to have some sort of penalty or ML cops or anything | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | No, I see it more as an encouragement. | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | As they'd get more out of the development community at least reading those lists. | 04:29 |
| RAOF | It would just be listed somewhere as expected behaviour. | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Yeah. | 04:29 |
| pochu | Well I'm saying all the time that we should encourage it, but not force it | 04:29 |
| LaserJock | but a wiki page that says that you *should* be sub'd is good, and generally saying it's assumed | 04:29 |
| pochu | Although -devel-discuss should be enforced. | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | devel-discuss? | 04:30 |
| TheMuso | You sure? | 04:30 |
| pochu | Err, -devel-announce | 04:30 |
| LaserJock | -devel-announce yes | 04:30 |
| RAOF | pochu: I thought d-discus was at least partially a honeypot :) | 04:30 |
| pochu | TheMuso: I'm considering unsubscribing from -discuss ;) | 04:30 |
| TheMuso | Right, I thought so. | 04:30 |
| pochu | RAOF: yeah sadly it is | 04:30 |
| TheMuso | So does anybody wan to volunteer to update the wiki? | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | do we have a good wiki page for that? | 04:32 |
| RAOF | LaserJock: That's what I was thinking. I can't think of one, offhand. | 04:32 |
| * TheMuso doesn't know, as he rarely looks at the MOTU part of the wiki these days. | 04:32 | |
| TheMuso | Well perhaps its someting we tell new contributors who are regularly involved. | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | something | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | And, how do we enforce devel-announce? | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | We can't really enforce any of it really. | 04:33 |
| RAOF | Sign up ~ubuntu-dev to devel-announce? :) | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | sure we can | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | have a devel-announce admin sign up everybody in ~motu | 04:34 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 04:34 |
| TheMuso | Yeah, but I don't think its something we can force contributors to do. | 04:35 |
| RAOF | Why would we need to force contributors to do that? | 04:36 |
| RAOF | We can suggest it to them, and if they don't then, well, that's one of the reasons their work is filtered through MOTUs. | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | no, this should be a MOTU thing | 04:36 |
| pochu | LaserJock: then motus could just filter mails from whateverlist to /dev/null :P | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | well, that would be very unfortunate | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, we need a "MOTU Reference" wiki page | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | I just get so lost | 04:39 |
| RAOF | Hey, maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers is a good page? | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | well | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | that one is just so big | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | I need like the reference version | 04:40 |
| RAOF | "MOTUhood for dummies" | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | that links to all the stuff and has nice checklists so we don't forget | 04:41 |
| RAOF | That'd actually be a useful page, yeah. | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | so it's not "I need to learn how to ..." but "I need to remember how to ..." ;-) | 04:41 |
| RAOF | Updated with "current/impending freeze: <url> (exception process <url>)", etc. | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | yep | 04:42 |
| RAOF | "Where's that useful page about reviewing new library packages again?" | 04:42 |
| RAOF | Etc. | 04:42 |
| TheMuso_ | Sorry, just got booted and reconnected. | 04:42 |
| TheMuso_ | What did I miss? | 04:42 |
| RAOF | I didn't see you get booted, so I don't know. | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso_: what was the last you saw? | 04:43 |
| RAOF | Last thing you saw? | 04:43 |
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| RAOF | LaserJock & I have been musing that a "Daily MOTU tasks quick reference guide" wiki page would be nice. | 04:44 |
| TheMuso | < RAOF> Why would we need to force contributors to do that? | 04:44 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: http://pastebin.com/mcce1ddb | 04:44 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: thanks. | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | So... What should we do? Perhaps raise it on the list? | 04:46 |
| RAOF | Unless someone here wants to volunteer to write such a page, yes. | 04:47 |
| RAOF | The result of this discussion is "MOTUs are expected be subscribed to at least -motu, -devel, and -devel-discuss. Also, a MOTU Reference wiki page wourld be good", yes? | 04:48 |
| TheMuso | Does everybody agree with RAOF assessment of the discussion? | 04:49 |
| LucidFox | I agree. | 04:49 |
| TheMuso | Ok, I'll take that as a yes, as we are almost out of time. | 04:51 |
| TheMuso | [agreed] MOTUs are expected to be subscribed to at least -motu, -devel, and -devel-discuss. A MOTU wiki reference page would also be useful. | 04:52 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: MOTUs are expected to be subscribed to at least -motu, -devel, and -devel-discuss. A MOTU wiki reference page would also be useful. | 04:52 |
| TheMuso | Moving along... | 04:52 |
| TheMuso | should Ubuntu Membership be a general requirement for MOTUship? (see the [WWW] MOTU Council thread for more details) | 04:53 |
| TheMuso | [topic] should Ubuntu Membership be a general requirement for MOTUship? (see the [WWW] MOTU Council thread for more details) | 04:53 |
| MootBot | New Topic: should Ubuntu Membership be a general requirement for MOTUship? (see the [WWW] MOTU Council thread for more details) | 04:53 |
| TheMuso | So, shoudl this also be something that gets put to the list? | 04:55 |
| * TheMuso thinks again that we postpone to either the next meeting, or to the list. | 04:56 | |
| RAOF | As I see it, the only reason why Ubuntu Membership should not be a requirement for MOTU would be if the process for aquiring UM is swamped by applicants. | 04:56 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: That seems reasonable. Send to list. | 04:56 |
| TheMuso | Anybody got anythign else to say? Otherwise I say we leave this and the other items either for the list, or the next meeting. | 04:58 |
| superm1 | are some folks from motu-release present right now? | 04:58 |
| superm1 | i've got some things to mention at least to them | 04:58 |
| TheMuso | Yes, I am, but we as a group haven't had a chance to talk about anything yet. | 04:58 |
| superm1 | I'll hold off then until everyone on the team talks then | 04:58 |
| superm1 | carry on :) | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | Anybody? | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | going.... | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | going.. | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | going. | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | gone. | 05:00 |
| pochu | Adjourned! | 05:00 |
| TheMuso | [agreed] Discussion of whether Ubuntu membership should be a general requirement of MOTUship, as well as feature freeze policy, should be discussed either on the MOTU mailing list, or at the next meeting. | 05:01 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Discussion of whether Ubuntu membership should be a general requirement of MOTUship, as well as feature freeze policy, should be discussed either on the MOTU mailing list, or at the next meeting. | 05:01 |
| TheMuso | #endmeeting | 05:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 05:01. | 05:01 |
| TheMuso | Thanks everybody. | 05:01 |
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