[02:45]  * ogra_cmpc reads the "academic free license"
[02:45] <ogra_cmpc> ... 5) This section intentionally omitted. ...
[02:46] <ogra_cmpc> i wonder if that the academic part of it ...
[02:46]  * ogra_cmpc shakes head
[02:46] <LaserJock> heh
[02:46] <kgoetz> hehe
[02:47] <johnny> lol
[02:48] <johnny> ogra wtf is is a classmatepc
[02:48] <johnny> hmm.. btw.. i'm not impressed by bzr so far
[02:48] <johnny> i was hoping i'd like it better
[02:48] <ogra_cmpc> http://www.classmatepc.com/
[02:49] <johnny> oh.. their olpc competition
[02:49] <johnny> i forgot about that thing
[02:49] <ogra_cmpc> pfft
[02:49] <ogra_cmpc> no competition if you look at the HW
[02:50] <ogra_cmpc> or at the strategies
[02:52] <kgoetz> for what value of 'no'? heh
[02:53] <ogra_cmpc> OLPC tries to develop new concepts for hard and software based on sociological studies about human interaction in teaching
[02:53] <ogra_cmpc> they are a scientific project ....
[02:53] <LaserJock> yep
[02:54] <ogra_cmpc> intel is a HW manufacturer ... they want to give every kid in the world a usable laptop and earn some money with it
[02:54] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: somebody tried to sneak OLPC's squeak into Fedora saying it was "MIT" license ;-)
[02:54] <ogra_cmpc> LOL !
[02:55] <LaserJock> I'm surprised they use squeak so much given it's non-freeness
[02:55] <ogra_cmpc> especially since fedora really just turns into a second debian regarding their license policy changes recently
[02:56] <kgoetz> LaserJock: how does olpcs squeak differer from normal squeak?
[02:56] <ogra_cmpc> there were some silly removals i heard of
[02:57] <johnny> i've had this prejudice against rpm that i cant shake
[02:57] <johnny> have't used an rpm based distro sine 2001
[02:57] <kgoetz> thier being hyper caustios
[02:57] <kgoetz> *sp
[03:00] <LaserJock> kgoetz: it's got some special stuff to work with OLPC hardware
[03:00] <LaserJock> and then they've built a lot of goodies for kids I guess
[03:00] <LaserJock> using etoys
[03:01] <LaserJock> I've recently spent a week with Fedora when I didn't have an Ubuntu alternate disk around
[03:01] <kgoetz> LaserJock: i was wonderin if olpc's version was less-free then the standard squeak, or if its just the normal 'non-freeness'
[03:01] <ogra_cmpc> and ?
[03:01] <LaserJock> it was definitely better than openSUSE
[03:01] <kgoetz> *wondering
[03:01] <LaserJock> but some things are hard to get used to
[03:02] <LaserJock> I had a lot of problems with networking
[03:02] <LaserJock> that "Just Worked" in Ubuntu
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> really ?
[03:02] <LaserJock> yeah, Fedora won't work with my uni's VPN
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> they claim their NM works better :P
[03:02] <LaserJock> well
[03:02] <LaserJock> NM isn't even turned on by default
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> i had some discussions with warren :)
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> heh
[03:02] <LaserJock> I had to go into the service config thingy
[03:02] <ogra_cmpc> i didnt know that
[03:02] <LaserJock> and enable it
[03:03] <LaserJock> then go into the network config thingy
[03:03] <LaserJock> and tell it to let NM manage the interfaces
[03:03] <LaserJock> *that* took me some time to figure out
[03:03] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i can imagine
[03:03] <LaserJock> but the VPN issue was the hardest
[03:03] <LaserJock> Ubuntu has network-manager-pptp
[03:03] <LaserJock> which makes my uni VPN a breeze
[03:04] <LaserJock> but I couldn't for the life of me get Fedora to work with it
[03:04] <LaserJock> they're really wanting to beef up Edu stuff though
[03:04] <LaserJock> not just LTSP
[03:05] <ogra_cmpc> well, from hardy+1 on we'll do that too
[03:05] <ogra_cmpc> for hardy i just want the cd change to work
[03:05] <ogra_cmpc> in hardy+1 we can finally take care for some apps and for filling up the CD
[03:06] <ogra_cmpc> warren tries to merge k12ltsp into fedora ...
[03:07] <LaserJock> what is the CD situation
[03:07] <ogra_cmpc> but he just starts
[03:07] <LaserJock> I saw cjwatson making seed changes
[03:07] <ogra_cmpc> the seed and germinate chnages are done
[03:07] <ogra_cmpc> cd build changes are still missing
[03:07] <ogra_cmpc> but should be done next week
[03:08] <LaserJock> ok
[03:08] <LaserJock> I had wanted to try to get a little more onto it
[03:08] <ogra_cmpc> alpha5 will definately have the new setup
[03:08] <LaserJock> but squeak is taking most of my *buntu time at the moment :(
[03:08] <LaserJock> the new octave3.0 is supposed to be a real good Matlab replacement
[03:08] <ogra_cmpc> we need to find a way to only have langpacks on there that are not on the ubuntu cd already
[03:09] <LaserJock> oh, that's a good point
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> currently we waste a lot of space
[03:09] <LaserJock> ltsp is also on there as well, right?
[03:09] <LaserJock> but that doesn't take much space
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> i'm not even sure anyone uses the langpacks from the cd
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> nope
[03:09] <ogra_cmpc> no ltsp on there
[03:10] <LaserJock> it might be worth having all the gcompris sound packages if we don't already
[03:10] <ogra_cmpc> moodle, postgres, apache, php ...
[03:10] <LaserJock> those things are a pain to download
[03:10] <ogra_cmpc> everything in /live will go to addon
[03:10] <ogra_cmpc> -live
[03:11] <LaserJock> ah, shipaddon has then
[03:11] <LaserJock> *them
[03:11] <LaserJock> I spent a good part of the day in #gcompris
[03:11] <ogra_cmpc> we'll have the old edubuntu desktop again ... but with the difference that it depends on ubuntu-desktop
[03:11] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:11] <LaserJock> there's a new release of gcompris I'm gonna try to get into Hardy
[03:11] <LaserJock> it should fix a bunch of crashers
[03:12] <ogra_cmpc> great
[03:12]  * ogra_cmpc thinks he finally found the right combo of apps for a speedy and blingy cmpc desktop
[03:16] <ogra_cmpc> i've tried a good amount of docks now on this HW ... cairo-dock is the first one thats not stuttering ... really impressive
[03:18] <LaserJock> I talked to the gcompris Debian maintainer and he said he'd have the new version shortly
[03:18] <LaserJock> I'll file a UVFe/sync request after that
[03:18] <ogra_cmpc> cool
[07:32] <achandrashekar> hello. I had posted to the list with my question(s) as well. Hoep someone can answer here as well.
[07:32] <achandrashekar> When installing in standalone mode. I first receive a message on a single nic device that I need to edit /etc/default/dhcp
[07:32] <achandrashekar> and then i notice that once installed NOT all packages are installed to make to serve ltsp
[07:33] <achandrashekar> as a result, I completely re-installed ltsp-standalone
[07:33] <achandrashekar> then..re-edit the dhcp.conf.
[07:33] <achandrashekar> The question is - Am I going about the standalone correctly?
[07:33] <achandrashekar> Next question is about failover-dhcp
[07:34] <achandrashekar> I couldnt get it working following the directions to the T on wiki
[07:34] <achandrashekar> but i had only one box installed, do i need both to be up?
[07:34] <achandrashekar> I couldnt even get the image to boot on my clients.
[07:34] <achandrashekar> but if i try to get a simple config of dhcp.conf...then no issues.
[09:43] <achandrashekar> all right we will try the mail lists....again.
[09:43] <achandrashekar> :/
[10:38] <lowercase_> greetz everyone
[20:24] <edu_help_pls> hello
[20:24] <edu_help_pls> is there anybody who can help me with an issue?
[20:25] <edu_help_pls> ?
[20:27] <edu_help_pls> who can help me with an issue with edubuntu???
[20:27] <laga_> edu_help_pls: ask a question and wait - someone might have an answer
[20:27] <edu_help_pls> ok
[20:27] <edu_help_pls> so
[20:29] <edu_help_pls> i have tried to implement a project  with edubuntu. 1 server and 20 diskless clients. 10/100 24 port switch. 10/100/1000 nic. I need to run Firefox on all clients. But when 3-4-5 clients access a flash website any other client does not respond as the network is suffocated
[20:29] <edu_help_pls> the network reaches 12MBs traffic
[20:29] <edu_help_pls> why????
[20:29] <edu_help_pls> is flash doing so much traffic????
[20:30] <edu_help_pls> flash=swf
[20:31] <laga_> edu_help_pls: relax with the question marks. i don't have an answer (other than flash playback probably takes a lot of playback as each picture is transmitted over the network).
[20:31] <laga_> maybe someone in here knows :)
[20:32] <edu_help_pls> but i hope there is a sollution because otherwise i'm dead
[20:32] <edu_help_pls> :(