| jjesse | how pathetic is that i'm a regular at an airport resteraunt | 01:16 |
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| jjesse | evening btw | 01:17 |
| crimsun_ | why would that be pathetic? Nearly all the decent coffee shops with free wi-fi within a 25-mi radius know me by name. | 01:18 |
| jjesse | a coffee shop is different then an airport resteraunt | 01:18 |
| jjesse | especially a resteraunt not in my home state | 01:18 |
| crimsun_ | this isn't my home state, either. In fact, it's not even my home country. | 01:19 |
| jjesse | ah :) | 01:19 |
| jjesse | it jsut seems a bit sad | 01:19 |
| crimsun_ | sad? I prefer "dedicated," thank you. | 01:19 |
| crimsun_ | :=) | 01:19 |
| jjesse | yeah i guess | 01:20 |
| nosrednaekim | heh | 01:28 |
| jjesse | evening nosrednaekim | 01:31 |
| nosrednaekim | evening | 01:31 |
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| stdin | Riddell: Re: KDE 3.5.9, sounds fun :) | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | what's the plan? | 03:31 |
| * ScottK2 would help with that. | 03:32 | |
| stdin | -> [14:27]<Riddell> stdin: KDE 3.5.9 is on its way early next week, do you fancy putting it into a PPA for gutsy? | 03:32 |
| * ScottK2 would vote for stuff it into hardy and then do a proper backport. | 03:33 | |
| stdin | ScottK: it'll go into hardy first of course | 03:34 |
| * Hobbsee can give the uvfe for it, if jr's going to package it. | 03:35 | |
| Hobbsee | or if he's going to upload it | 03:35 |
| ScottK2 | stdin: Yes, but I'm saying let's do a proper backport rather than a PPA. | 03:39 |
| ScottK2 | If it needs source changes, I can upload them now. | 03:39 |
| ScottK2 | jr doesn't have to be stuck with it. | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | oh, you got core? | 03:44 |
| ScottK2 | Yes. | 03:44 |
| ScottK2 | Along with TheMuso and three others. | 03:44 |
| Hobbsee | nice! | 03:44 |
| * ScottK2 is going to make an early night of it, so good night. | 03:47 | |
| Hobbsee | night | 03:48 |
| * stdin notes kdegraphics-kde4 needs a rebuild | 03:50 | |
| Hobbsee | where? | 03:51 |
| stdin | well, it needs rebuilding against the new libgs8 | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | yes, but where? | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | not why. where :) | 03:52 |
| stdin | where what? | 03:53 |
| stdin | I'm not quite following Hobbsee, it's late and I need caffeine :p | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | gutsy? hardy? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | clearly you do. here's your drip! | 03:54 |
| stdin | hardy, lemme just check gutsy | 03:55 |
| stdin | yeah, just hardy | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | stdin: blink. hppa only? | 03:56 |
| stdin | Hobbsee: all, it needs someone to do a "dch -i "Rebuild against new libgs8 (LP: #191487)";debuild -S;dput ../*.changes" | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | oh, meh. | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | so not that type of rebuild. | 03:58 |
| stdin | I was going to report a bug, but it was already files (under a strange description), so I just changed it | 03:58 |
| * Hobbsee is on holiday. | 03:58 | |
| stdin | s/files/filed/ | 03:59 |
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| nixternal | sure is quiet in here | 06:08 |
| Tm_T | who is this sure and why he/she/it is quiet in here? | 07:23 |
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| Riddell | ScottK2: the trouble with a proper backport is it takes too long | 10:47 |
| Riddell | the low priority means it can take day for something to compile, when you have a dozen packages to compile it takes a long time and if there's any problems it all falls apart | 10:48 |
| SXan | Is this why KDE 4.0 isn't being backported to Feisty? It is a pretty large chunk of software. | 10:49 |
| Riddell | SXan: it could be done in the PPA same as gutsy, but mostly there isn't the demand, if you want the newest KDE changes are you're on the newest distro release | 10:52 |
| SXan | Yeah, that's not an option for me. Gutsy breaks my laptop. | 10:56 |
| SXan | Well, I should say that I lose a lot of functionality that I need when I boot into Gutsy. | 10:57 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: bug #192350 | 11:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 192350 in semantik "[Feature Freeze Exception] New upstream release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192350 | 11:05 |
| * Riddell discovers progress_indicator = 2 in dput.cf and rejoices | 11:05 | |
| jpatrick | yeah, I had that last month :) | 11:05 |
| Riddell | maybe I should turn that on by default in the package | 11:06 |
| jpatrick | I have it in dput global options | 11:06 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: do I need to do something with that bug? | 11:07 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: you're part of ~motu-release? | 11:07 |
| Riddell | hmm, I suppose I could be if it was useful. supposing I was, then what would I do? | 11:08 |
| jpatrick | +1 the upload | 11:08 |
| * Riddell makes it so | 11:09 | |
| Riddell | SXan: if you want to do the feisty backport that would be welcome but I havn't heard anyone else ask for it so far | 11:10 |
| SXan | I may try that. Is there a standard place to ask for things like this? | 11:12 |
| Riddell | here :) | 11:12 |
| SXan | Ah. I posted a thread to Kubuntu Feisty Software forums a couple of months ago asking about a KDE4 backport; it's gotten something like 123 views, so I suspect that there's *some* interest ;-). | 11:14 |
| Riddell | SXan: create a PPA for yourself, upload the libs and base packages and if it all works I can give you access to the kubuntu kde 4 PPA | 11:15 |
| SXan | Ok. I'll give it a try. What's the load for maintaining a package like? | 11:15 |
| SXan | I used to do this sort of thing for Gentoo, but it was pretty time consuming. | 11:16 |
| jpatrick | SXan: well, the packages already exist, you just have to make sure they build in feisty | 11:19 |
| Riddell | mostly you can get away with making sure they start to build then throw it into the PPA | 11:19 |
| SXan | Ok. URL of a documentation for this process? | 11:20 |
| SXan | s/ a // | 11:20 |
| Riddell | https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart | 11:22 |
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| stdin | Riddell: did you see bug 191487 ? | 11:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 191487 in kdegraphics-kde4 "kdegraphics-kde4 needs rebuilding aginst new libgs8" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191487 | 11:33 |
| SXan | Thx. | 11:33 |
| jpatrick | SXan: stdin's an expert in kde4 backports | 11:34 |
| stdin | well, I don't know about "expert", but I've have a bit of experience there ;P | 11:35 |
| SXan | K. | 11:36 |
| jpatrick | stdin: pastebin your backport script | 11:40 |
| stdin | http://stdin.pastebin.com/d3440278c | 11:41 |
| jpatrick | oh wow | 11:42 |
| Riddell | stdin: hmm, needs shlibs fixed in ghostscript | 11:45 |
| * jpatrick wants kmail-kde4 | 11:55 | |
| xRaich[o]2x | +1 | 12:00 |
| * xRaich[o]2x wants akregator-kde4 | 12:00 | |
| fftb | +1 | 12:03 |
| * emonkey wants *-kde4 | 12:11 | |
| emonkey | :P | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll upload kwin-style-crystal with _stefans_ patches in a few minutes, and then finishing kdesudo and kdesudo-kde4 for -u option to work | 12:15 |
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| TuXman | Anyone who is interested in making a Debian-based lightweight KDE system, join the channel #AirOS | 14:27 |
| stdin | it has nothing to do with Kubuntu, aka -> spam | 14:28 |
| smarter | Anyone who is interested in making a Debian-based lightweight KDE system, stay here :} | 14:30 |
| TheInfinity | n+1 distro - bah. | 14:31 |
| jpatrick | Kubuntu rocks | 14:37 |
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| Artimus | Has anyone considered a KDE ufw frontend for Hardy? It seems like it would fit rather well in systemsettings. I was messing around with KDevelop, it looks like it wouldn't take too much: http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8100/kufwmockupud3.png | 15:56 |
| ScottK | Artimus: We are past feature freeze for Hardy, so it's a bit late, but it sounds to me like an excellent idea for Hardy +1. | 15:59 |
| Artimus | ScottK: Oh, ok. Wasn't sure on the timeline. | 16:00 |
| Artimus | Unfortunately, I think the plan is to rewrite ufw to be a PF clone for hardy+1 | 16:00 |
| ScottK2 | Ah. | 16:01 |
| ScottK2 | If you act fast, you could get it into Hardy +1 and then into hardy-backports. | 16:01 |
| Artimus | I thought hardy-backports would only accept packages already in hardy | 16:02 |
| Artimus | (just newer versions) | 16:02 |
| ScottK2 | Not at all. New packages get backported all the time. They are actually among the safest backports because regression risk is zero. | 16:03 |
| Artimus | How much time would that give me? I can't seem to pull up a development timeline... | 16:06 |
| ScottK2 | The archives for the new release usually open two or three weeks after release, so you could upload to Hardy +1 in mid May. | 16:08 |
| ScottK2 | Artimus: A KDE4/QT4 solution would be preferred at this point. KDE4 will be the default KDE for new Hardy installs as I understand it. | 16:09 |
| Artimus | Yeah, I thought about that... | 16:09 |
| Artimus | And I'm sure Hardy+1 is also going to be mainly KDE4... | 16:10 |
| ScottK2 | Even more so. | 16:10 |
| ScottK2 | Gotta run. Good luck with it. | 16:11 |
| Artimus | thanks. | 16:11 |
| ScottK2 | Also, you'll want to write a spec for it for Hardy +1 when the time comes so it's officially on the list. | 16:11 |
| Artimus | Sure | 16:11 |
| nixternal | Eclipse never stops impressing me, that PyDev plugin for it is awesome, finally a way to get real completion with Python | 16:38 |
| nixternal | and it even does PyQt and PyKDE completion | 16:38 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell » ping. | 16:38 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal » what app does that? | 16:41 |
| nosrednaekim | sorry, I got here just a bit late;) | 16:41 |
| nixternal | Eclipse with the PyDev plugin | 16:41 |
| nosrednaekim | ah... shoulda gotten that the other day when I was on cable :) | 16:42 |
| nosrednaekim | Kate is just slightly underpowered | 16:43 |
| iRon | nixternal: Does PyDev support code refactoring? | 17:04 |
| nixternal | yes | 17:04 |
| ryanakca | uh oh... after upgrade, KDM doesn't want to start | 17:20 |
| ryanakca | well, it starts fine, just doesn't show me anything | 17:21 |
| * ryanakca looks at the logs | 17:21 | |
| ryanakca | oh fun, looks like the nvidia module broke :) | 17:22 |
| iRon | which one -- kdm3 or kdm4 ? | 17:23 |
| nosrednaekim | thats why I like fglrx, X will work without the kernel module, you just don't have 3d accel | 17:23 |
| ryanakca | "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!" in /var/log/kdm.log | 17:23 |
| ryanakca | iRon: kdm3... its because of a broken upgrade over here... *will try to fix* | 17:23 |
| ScottK2 | Is there an approved feature freeze exception for continuing KDE4 updates or 3.5.9? | 20:36 |
| jpatrick | probably, we've done it before | 20:37 |
| jpatrick | 3.5.8 was uploaded a day before release iirc | 20:37 |
| ScottK2 | I know we're going to upload it, I just want to figure out if it's been OK'ed. I'm trying to fill out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StandingFeatureFreeze so people don't get suprised. | 20:38 |
| jpatrick | thanks for the ack on semantik by the way :) | 20:38 |
| ScottK | You're welcome. | 20:40 |
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| jpatrick | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kerry/1:0.2.1-0ubuntu4 | 21:56 |
| jpatrick | I'm still marked as Maintainer? | 21:56 |
| jpatrick | weird.. | 21:56 |
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| Tonio_ | hi there | 22:34 |
| ScottK | Hi there Tonio_. | 22:35 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Do you have a moment for a klamav discussion? | 22:35 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 22:36 |
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| ScottK | Tonio_: In klamav 0.42, upstream removed klamd and gave up on on access scanning, but left the U/I for it (not working). It seems reasonable to me that we ought to patch the program not to provide U/I for functions that no longer exist. Does that sound right? | 22:37 |
| Tonio_ | of course | 22:38 |
| Tonio_ | well I previously released a patch for this right ? | 22:38 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Also, looking at the Debian Klamav package, the one thing they have that we don't is a patch to use the system virus database instead of a per user one. I think that makes sense to include in our package too. | 22:38 |
| Tonio_ | we just have to rewrite this one I guess | 22:38 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: No, you did a patch to remove the update functionality. | 22:38 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I can probably do it, just wanted to run it by you first. | 22:39 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I'll ping you if I get stuck. | 22:39 |
| Tonio_ | hum right, the klamd thing was still there | 22:39 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK of course, please ping me if you need help :) | 22:39 |
| crimsun_ | Tonio_: what sort of mactel audio issue did you mention previously? Has the kernel team ACKed any action? | 22:39 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I didn't ping them yet | 22:40 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: basically, we investigated a patch together for feisty, and that patch was removed for gutsy | 22:40 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I can write the patch again, but I have to take a moment to ping the kernel team on that point | 22:40 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I'll send an email today with the patch and you in CC | 22:42 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I agree on the system virus database thing | 22:42 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I thought it was handled by klamav as long as the per user one doesn't exist | 22:43 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK am I wrong on that point ? | 22:43 |
| crimsun_ | Tonio_: ok, thanks. I don't have access to e-mail, but I'll read the Web archive. | 22:43 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: No. The first run wizard defaults to a per user one, so unless you change it to the system one, you get a per user one on first run. | 22:43 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: did you loose your access to ubuntu/launchpad/ML ? | 22:44 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK, ah oki | 22:44 |
| crimsun_ | Tonio_: no, I'm traveling. | 22:44 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK I didn't work on klamav for a long time now, and since I don't use it anymore, I'm a bit lost :) sorry for this | 22:44 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: ah ;) | 22:44 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: okay, sorry for the question, bt it looked strange to me ;) | 22:45 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: No problem. If you'd rather I just dealt with it, I can, I just check with you because it's originally your package. | 22:45 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK sure ;) | 22:46 |
| claydoh | A quick question, if I may :) | 22:46 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK but you are free to make your own decision now ! | 22:46 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: fire away :) | 22:46 |
| claydoh | kde4 and Feisty: no go due to needed dependencies, correct? | 22:46 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: just grabbing the feisty kernel source to get the patch for alsa and macbook | 22:47 |
| claydoh | as the alphas, etc were in feisty, have a forum poster wondering why no kde4 for Feisty | 22:47 |
| claydoh | you'd basically have to update enough libraies, etc to be running Gutsy | 22:47 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: OK. Thanks. | 22:48 |
| * ScottK will ping if I get stucj. | 22:48 | |
| ScottK | stucj/stuck | 22:48 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: maintaining kde4 is a lot of work, and due to feisty not beeing lts, it is probably better not maintaining it atm | 22:49 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: especially since kde4 isn't quite usable daily long yet | 22:49 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: better keeping the effort arround hardy atm :) | 22:49 |
| claydoh | ok good enough reson for me, just trying to correctly respond | 22:49 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: sure :) | 22:50 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: also the userbase if feisty is pretty limited, due to not beeing LTS, most feisty users have gone gutsy now | 22:50 |
| claydoh | thanks Tonio_ | 22:50 |
| Tonio_ | claydoh: you're welcome | 22:50 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: the patch needs rewrite since the codebase changed a lot | 23:00 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: mind reviewing the patch after I finished writing it ? | 23:00 |
| crimsun_ | sure, just ping me with a pastebin URL | 23:00 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: yep :) | 23:00 |
| crimsun_ | I'm away for a bit to locate another coffee shop. | 23:01 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I must say I can't write it myself....... way to complicated for me | 23:11 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I can do but only with your help, as I know the pin_configs to add | 23:11 |
| Tonio_ | in fact one of them is to be modified, but I don't know how to identify my machine in the list of machines | 23:13 |
| Tonio_ | s/machines/identifiers | 23:13 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: so please (if you can) ping me when back :) | 23:13 |
| Nightrose | claydoh: there was someone here who was interested in packages for feisty | 23:14 |
| Nightrose | claydoh: forgot his nick though | 23:14 |
| Nightrose | seemed like he will try to backport | 23:14 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: you have from STAC_INTEL_MAC_V1 to STAC_INTEL_MAC_V5, one need to be modified, so I just need you to help me find which one (possibly without testing the 5 ;) | 23:16 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell » ping | 23:19 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I think I'm done with the patch ;) | 23:35 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: thanks to one year old irc logs I found what you asked me to look at the for sound card infos :) | 23:36 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: http://paste.toniox.org/2813 | 23:36 |
| Tonio_ | not sure if it was better doing a V6 or V3_S | 23:36 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun_: I did a _S to match what you previously did | 23:36 |
| nosrednaekim | apachelogger » hey..... jpatrick said something about you putting patches into 4.0.1 for a multi-row panel.. is this true? | 23:38 |
| Nightrose | nosrednaekim: it is working already - you just need to open enough windows | 23:39 |
| Nightrose | it should work (TM) | 23:39 |
| nosrednaekim | ah there we go! | 23:40 |
| nosrednaekim | thats a heck of alot of apps :) | 23:41 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 23:41 |
| nosrednaekim | anyway to force it to do two rows? | 23:41 |
| Nightrose | not yet I think | 23:41 |
| apachelogger | nosrednaekim: why would you want to do that? | 23:41 |
| Nightrose | hey apachelogger :) - we missed you | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | I missed myself as well | 23:42 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: btw, I still can't reproduce the rendering issues | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | Oo | 23:42 |
| Nightrose | meh | 23:43 |
| nosrednaekim | apachelogger » uhhh, cause I want to :) I'll just put some icons down there to force the panel to be smaller :) | 23:43 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: very wild guess: you using kdm or kdm-kde4 | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | nosrednaekim: lol, that is one plausible reason ;-) | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: yes | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | actually | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | no | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | not anymore | 23:44 |
| Nightrose | kdm-kde4 here | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | well, I used -kde4 since .0 release and didn't notice the issue either | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | so it can't be kdm related | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | neither did I until I told you ;-) | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | would be rather strange as well, since kdm-kde4 is pretty much equal kdm | 23:45 |
| Nightrose | hmm ok | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: btw, murmur läuft | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | :P | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: ich versuche gerade die config so hinzubiegen, dass es über rokymotion läuft | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | nice | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | radio. ist etwas sehr merkwürdig für nen murmur server :P | 23:46 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 23:47 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: don't tell me they used kdm-kde3 codebase for kde4 !!!!!!!!! :'( | 23:48 |
| Tonio_ | kdm is SHIT compared to gdm... | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 23:49 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: not much improvement in the code.... from what I saw it's mostly a straight forward port to qt4 | 23:49 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: :'( | 23:50 |
| Tonio_ | I hope they'll consider a from scratch rewrite in the future.... really | 23:50 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: "they" is actually much of a "he". IMHO none else within KDE really cares about KDM as long as it "works" | 23:51 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: that's a big problem imho | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | agreed | 23:53 |
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