[00:02] <siofwolves> I have an ati radeon 9800 gfx card. how do i find what driver i have installed and what if any do you recommend ?
[00:04] <SlimeyPete> siofwolves: if you haven't deliberately installed the "official" driver then you have the OSS one.
[00:04] <szakulec> I'm trying to capture video from my webcam, but doing a simple cat /dev/video0 says no such device
[00:04] <SlimeyPete> the OSS one is fine for 2d stuff but for video and 3d you want fglrx (the official one)
[00:04] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how I can access a running X showing an XDMPC login screen from kdm? I tried `x11vnc` but it failed.
[00:05] <przemek_> elo jestem nowym użytkownikiem linuxa czy mogłby ktoś mi pomóc??
[00:05] <siofwolves> SlimeyPete, yup all kubuntu
[00:07] <hola> how i canc change UTC? my clock has UTC 1 hours plus
[00:09] <argnel> hmm, so i must kill -9 systemsettings, eh
[00:09] <jussi01> hola: i think it takes it from your bios iirc
[00:10] <hola> jussi01: this is the problem....bios time is one hors less
[00:12] <jereme> I have a font on my mac that I'd like to use in linux, however, on the mac the font has a 0 byte filesize
[00:13] <jereme> I don't really get it.. Anyways, when I copy the font over to kubuntu, I get nothing
[00:14] <jereme> any ideas?
[00:14] <argnel> jereme: 0 byte file size according to what?
[00:14] <jereme> according to ls
[00:14] <jereme> and cat
[00:14] <argnel> from what? linux or macosx?
[00:14] <jussi01> jereme: you sure that you aren't copying a link/shortcut?
[00:15] <jereme> jussi01: the font actually isn't installed on my osx machine, but I can view the font and install it if I want... so it's not a shortcut no
[00:15] <jereme> argnel, both linux and os x show 0 bytes
[00:15] <argnel> jereme: what about Get Info from the Finder?
[00:15] <jereme> argnel: same
[00:16] <argnel> jereme: what is the Kind, according to Get Info?
[00:16] <jereme> the DS_Store file seems to have all the goodies or something
[00:16] <jereme> argnel: PostScript Type 1
[00:16] <argnel> jereme: did the font come from an os9 system?
[00:17] <jereme> argnel: I don't think so, but I can't confirm that
[00:17] <argnel> jereme: have you tried to actually add and use the font?
[00:17] <jereme> I just pulled it from a network drive
[00:17] <argnel> (in macosx)
[00:18] <argnel> i suspect you're just seeing the preview and that the actual font data has been stripped
[00:20] <jereme> argnel, seems to work
[00:20] <argnel> jereme: does Font Book see it?
[00:20] <jereme> yeah
[00:20] <argnel> ok, try exporting it to your desktop
[00:20] <alessandro_> ciao
[00:22] <jereme> argnel, that seems to work
[00:22] <Liono> what will chmod 0700/*   do?
[00:22] <argnel> jereme: does getinfo think there is some data there now?
[00:23] <jereme> yeah
[00:23] <argnel> jereme: ok, rightclick on it and create an archive (or Compress if it's Leopard). that'll make sure the resource fork comes along if it is in an older format
[00:24] <szakulec> chmod 0700 will make everything it touches only usable by your user name
[00:25] <intelikey> no    by the owner of the inode
[00:25] <szakulec> thanks intelokey
[00:26] <Liono> i dont wan a user to see/copy/edit/change/write    any file other than present on his desktop. how can i do it. (but i want that user to use apps or play games.(doing that will change e.g games files as some games chage files when they are play))
[00:26] <Liono> szakulec ^
[00:27] <argnel> sounds a bit restrictive to me
[00:27] <Liono> hm
[00:27] <argnel> kind of defeats the purpose of a home folder
[00:28] <intelikey> perms are owner,group,world but it sounds like what you want is 700 $HOME dirs
[00:29] <intelikey> sudo chmod 700 /home/*
[00:30] <szakulec> my webcam shows up in Kopete fine, but when I try to record from it, the webcam can't be found
[00:30] <intelikey> if you really want what you described  you need to look into JAILing them with chroot
[00:31] <intelikey> which can be cracked (jail break)
[00:33] <Arwen> w00t, I finally have over 50% filesystem fragmentation
[00:34]  * intelikey has .1%
[00:35] <Arwen> Sysinfo for 'darknode': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz at 2992 MHz (5985 bogomips), HD: 66/73GB, RAM: 496/502MB, 117 proc's, 1.48h up
[00:36] <Arwen> ext3 auto-defrag fails at high HD usage
[00:36] <selckin> get more hd
[00:37] <intelikey> i'm not using a journald    ext2
[00:37] <Arwen> I could, but I'd have to repartition again
[00:38] <intelikey> Arwen ?   could just mount other hd on high traffic area...
[00:39] <BluesKaj> Arwen, auto-defrag ...why ?
[00:40] <BluesKaj> is fragmentation a prob in linux , after all ?
[00:41] <intelikey> BluesKaj force a check next boot and see if it is
[00:43] <intelikey> what i mean is that the avrage user will never find trouble with it.   that does not mean that there are not special conditions that may cause high fragmentation.    it just means that 99.9% of user wont have that condition
[00:44] <hitmanWilly> oh nice, FS discussions :)
[00:44]  * intelikey considers not using any fs....
[00:44] <hitmanWilly> lol
[00:45] <intelikey> total chaos drive!   :)
[00:45] <BluesKaj> intelikey, I don't leave my pc on at all times. I shut it off every eving at bedtime, so about once/month the disk does an auto check since it's rebooted  so many # of times , is that what you're referring to
[00:45] <BluesKaj> ?
[00:46] <intelikey> BluesKaj yes that check.  but you can force that by several different means.    setting the mount count higher than the check count  is one.
[00:47] <BluesKaj> intelikey, right , thx for the tip , I'll check into it.
[00:48]  * intelikey doesn't have forced checks that he doesn't personally force.    
[00:50] <intelikey> as soon as i make an ext2 fs i run tune2fs -m 0 -c 0 -i 0 /dev/that-device     so no forced checks that i don't call for.      (never have liked automatic crap, and i don't use cron either.)
[00:59] <intelikey> we need more automatic things running using more kernel threads more cpu more ram so we can complain about our old slow outdated p12 122ghz 16core cpu, with 32g ram @ 4ghz fsb computers being so slow!
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[01:00] <hitmanWilly> ah, how I missed the intellikey rants :)
[01:01] <intelikey> hitmanWilly  ;/
[01:01] <hitmanWilly> yeah, used to be pretty regular around here, then some other stuff started getting in the way...like my WoW addiction...lol
[01:02] <intelikey> lol
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> :)
[01:02] <intelikey> yeah,  games can be adictive.
[01:02] <intelikey> d
[01:03] <hitmanWilly> yeah, tell me about it
[01:03] <jhend60> i need to know what the command to change video settings is (xorg video reconfigure) or something
 jhend60: sudo dpkg-reonfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> stick a c in there somewhere
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> meh... Dr_willis, you are too fast
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:04] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i used to play vidio games for a day at a time   when they were young.    now i can't find one that will last that long.     probably a good thing too.
[01:04] <Dr_willis> i pasted the answer he got from #ubuntu
[01:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:04] <hitmanWilly> probably...lol
[01:04] <jhend60> i havent installed kubuntu yet, but it seems to not work in xorg for some reason. I will try changing video settings to fix
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> haha
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: nothing beats a good old fashioned adventure game
[01:05] <jhend60> as im not sure it detected it correctly in the first place
[01:05] <jhend60> (video card)
[01:05] <dZen|n|> ca somebody help me with this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56168/
[01:05] <hitmanWilly> i miss my old vic 20...text adventure games were awesome :)
[01:05] <jhend60> right now im on windows :( i wish linux would work on my pc
[01:05] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido ummm life seems too....
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> dZen|n|: sudo apt-get -f install
[01:05] <jhend60> i have a text adventure based game on my site... go to www.jhend60.110mb.com/lotgd
[01:05] <Daisuke_Ido> (as it says)
[01:06] <bebo> ciao
[01:06] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido but they are a welcome distraction every now and then
[01:06] <bebo> hi
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: i meant as far as games go :P
[01:06] <jhend60> bye i will try getting kubuntu working ill be back
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> jhend60: that isn't a text adv...
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> oh well
[01:06] <bebo> hey
[01:07] <bebo> hi
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a terrible clone of the greatest door game of all time
[01:07] <bebo> i'm italian
[01:07] <dZen|n|> Daisuke_Ido: I have tryied that one but dosn't work
[01:07] <bebo> help
[01:07] <hitmanWilly> bebo, what seems to be the issue?
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> !ask | bebo
[01:07] <ubotu> bebo: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:08] <dZen|n|> it's just like my apt-get need to be reinstalled
[01:08] <bebo> i not spake englese
[01:08] <bebo> rhigt?
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> dZen|n|: not even
[01:08] <dZen|n|> it's not just apt-get also adept package manager
[01:08] <BluesKaj> !it | bebo
[01:08] <ubotu> bebo: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get -f install azureus <- what's this?
[01:09] <bebo> thank youj
[01:09] <dZen|n|> azureus is a java based bittorrent
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> (i know what azureus is)
[01:09] <jereme> is it possible to use pfm fonts in linux?
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> why -f when installing the package?
[01:09] <BluesKaj> forcing an install is dangerous , no /
[01:09] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:09] <intelikey> !adeptcrash | dZen|n|
[01:09] <ubotu> dZen|n|: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:09] <dZen|n|> but if I run apt-get install gparted it will come with same problem :8
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> and you're much better off with deluge or ktorrent anyway
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> azureus is a klugy mess and a cpu hog
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> kludgy
[01:10] <intelikey> kulgy ?
[01:11] <dZen|n|> what else should I use ?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> klunky and slow as molasses in january... nice java graphics tho :)
[01:11] <intelikey> a kugly mess
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> i just said: deluge or ktorrent
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ktorrent will integrate better
[01:11] <hitmanWilly> ktorrent works pretty good for me, at least in a gui
[01:11] <Dr_willis> ktorrent has gotten a lot better over the last few months.
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> yes, yes it has
[01:12] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, I just adding my two cents worth
[01:12] <Dr_willis> It uded to be real flakey for me. Now its very solid
[01:12] <dZen|n|> see this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56170/
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: you're absolutely right though, azureus is a massive chunk of fail
[01:12] <dZen|n|> no metter what i try to install, and I know it worked before.
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> now...  did you do what was suggested?
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix | dZen|n|
[01:13] <ubotu> dZen|n|: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:13] <dZen|n|> Daisuke_Ido: yes I did
[01:13] <Daisuke_Ido> actually, in this case, i think you can go with sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:14] <Daisuke_Ido> the one time i had that happen and couldn't do anything, using dpkg to remove the offending piece of software took care of it, if i remember correctly
[01:14] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido it looks more like he has removed main form his repos.
[01:15] <dZen|n|> Daisuke_Ido: but how and what shoudl I remove with dpkg ?
[01:15] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido yes forced removal will fix a lot of the time,  but that looks like a missing repo.
[01:15] <intelikey> dZen|n| sudo dpkg -P package-name
[01:15] <BluesKaj> dZen|n|, post your /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin , so we can check it out
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: yeah, it does...
[01:15] <dZen|n|> missing repo ?
[01:16] <Daisuke_Ido> depressing
[01:16] <intelikey> dZen|n| yes missing repo
[01:16] <dZen|n|> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56171/
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> it's there
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not the problem then
[01:17] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not saying there's no installation candidate, it just says it's not going to be installed
[01:17] <hitmanWilly> dependency conflicts?
[01:18] <intelikey> dZen|n| looks ok.   run the   sudo apt-get install -f    and show us the output.
[01:18] <Daisuke_Ido> that's  sudo apt-get -f install
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> with no packages
[01:19] <dZen|n|> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56173/
[01:19] <BluesKaj> dZen|n|, uncomment lines 40, 41,47,48 (delete the # at the beginning of those lines) then save and exit , then sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[01:19] <Daisuke_Ido> there ya go
[01:21] <intelikey> see that's what makes it hard to help people.   i saw y'all tell him to run -f way up there ^  and the error message he posted said run -f... but did he run -f  NOooo!
[01:21] <intelikey> :)
[01:21] <dZen|n|> intelikey: I did se tha last pastebin
[01:22] <dZen|n|> intelikey: this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56171/
[01:22] <Daisuke_Ido> dZen|n|: yeah, but you were told to waaaay earlier (-f without a package name, that's the important bit
[01:22] <dZen|n|> ups this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56173/
[01:23] <dZen|n|> let me inform you that I installed 64bit kubuntu and then I unstalled 32bit libraries
[01:24] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i'm sure you already know that, if -f yelds that "not going to be installed" message there is usually either a non-ubuntu package in the way or a repo missing   "actually the same thing said two ways"    i have see backports cause that when used to install things then switched off.
[01:24] <Liono> why do i need a firewall in linux.? i think linux is secure enough without it too. any comments?
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[01:24] <Daisuke_Ido> Liono: you need a firewall?
[01:25] <ubuntufreak> does Kubuntu 7.10 have KDE4.0 in the torrent download
[01:25] <Liono> Daisuke_Ido no. i need to know the reason to have one in linux
[01:25] <intelikey> Liono the thing about linux, or what linux is all about, is freedom. if you don't want to run a firewall, then don't.   if you do want to, then do.    that's what linux is for.
[01:25] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntufreak: it does not, you have to install from repos, but i'll tell you now it isn't stable yet and you're better off waiting a bit longer for 4.1
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> Liono: 'twas a rhetorical question.  i don't run one
[01:26] <hitmanWilly> agreed on kde 4, been playing around with it for a while now
[01:26] <ubuntufreak> Daisuke_Ido: You mean KDE4.0
[01:26] <dZen|n|> hello ppl, I have fixet my problem, but thx anyway!
[01:26] <Liono> Daisuke_Ido intelikey will firewall make me securer. why do i need one in linux. ?
[01:26] <intelikey> Liono if nothing is listening on any port then a firewall adds nothing.   if you run services that listen, and you don't want the world connecting to them.  then you will want to "block" them somehow.
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntufreak: correct
[01:26] <dZen|n|> I would like to give you a beer but I can't :d
[01:26] <Daisuke_Ido> but the kde4 line period isn't stable yet
[01:26] <ubuntufreak> Daisuke_Ido: OK
[01:27] <dZen|n|> I will wait for 4.1 kde :P
[01:27] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll wait for gnome 3 :D
[01:27] <Liono> intelikey what will happen if i dont block the world?
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> ugh, gnome....
[01:27] <siofwolves> I have my  sound up 100% but the output is <40% what i had in windows. any idea's on where i'm looking?
[01:27] <dZen|n|> Daisuke_Ido: my next distro should be gentoo
[01:28] <intelikey> Liono then someone in #kubuntu will try to hack your box
[01:28] <intelikey> or some other place where such types lurk.
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> dZen|n|, heh, have fun...lol
[01:28]  * nosrednaekim starts cracking away
[01:28] <BluesKaj> siofwolves, alsamixer in the terminal . check out the vol ctrls there
[01:28] <Liono> intelikey if i have all ports not listening. but iam browsing and port 80 is open. can some one hack me if i have no firewall?
[01:29] <hitmanWilly> Liono, a firewall won't really help that since the port's open anyway
[01:29] <dZen|n|> hitmanWilly: well I heard that if you wanna learn the linux inside and out you should use gentoo, I will try to install it via vmware
[01:30] <Liono> hitmanWilly you mean the port 80?
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Liono: you're normally a windows user, aren't you?
[01:30] <intelikey> Liono in all honesty. if i were the type that did that sort of thing,  i would hang out in places like #ubntu (because of it's size) and watch for people like you, asking questions about that sort of thing.
[01:30] <Liono> hitmanWilly but a firewall can  reject unauthorised port connection?
[01:30] <siofwolves> BluesKaj, thanks so much :)
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: or people like me that advertise not using a firewall?
[01:30] <intelikey> Liono if you have port 80 open then you must be running a server   (apache maybe) ?
[01:30] <hitmanWilly> dZen|n|, oh, you'll learn...or give up...this is being typed from my gentoo box right now :)
[01:31] <dZen|n|> hitmanWilly: thats nice, then I will yell after you help some times :D
[01:31] <Liono> intelikey ill be haveing port 80 open if iam browsing too
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:31] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido that too.   but less so, because that's a pretty good trap.   "come into my laire said the spider to the fly"
[01:31] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[01:32] <intelikey> Liono you will ?      do i have port 80 open ?
[01:32] <BluesKaj> siofwolves, YW :)
[01:32] <dZen|n|> Liono: I can sell you arca unit firewall
[01:32] <Liono> intelikey ill be haveing port 80 open if iam browsing too?
[01:32] <ignoramus> hi all.  how do i uninstall Ubuntu Studio's kernel? (2.6.22-14-rt)
[01:33] <intelikey> Liono that's what i'm asking,  is my port 80 open ?   i'm looking at a webpage.
[01:33] <dZen|n|> Liono: port 80 = http
[01:33] <intelikey> Liono in short.   NO.
[01:33] <Liono> intelikey i think yes
[01:33] <Liono> why no
[01:33] <Liono> you surf by port 80
[01:33] <Liono> and it should be open
[01:33] <BluesKaj> Liono, go to www.grc.com and do thestealth test there
[01:34] <stratman4300> Anyone run into a problem with X hanging at KDE logout or shutdown???
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> yes, you surf by port 80, but it's all outgoing requests
[01:34] <dZen|n|> later, going to play some et-linux :p
[01:35] <hitmanWilly> an open port generally refers to one that is accepting incoming connection requests
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> but then again, I'm not really an expert on the subject
[01:38] <Daisuke_Ido> that's it
[01:42] <Dr_willis> stratman4300,  ages ago i had an issue like that with my ati  based machine
[01:42] <BluesKaj> I feel for these poor MS windows users , who are so worried about internet security , the F.U.D is rampant in their minds
[01:43] <BluesKaj> FUD ,a bill gates legacy
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: tell them they don't particularly *need* a virus scanner, spyware detector, adware detector, three firewalls, and a pentagram drawn in blood around their computer, and they refuse to believe you!
[01:44] <BluesKaj> LOL ! Daisuke_ :>))
[01:44] <intelikey> ja ja ja ja
[01:45] <intelikey> but if i browse.....    well the simple answer is "THEN DON'T BROWSE"   i mean what do you want from me....
[01:46] <intelikey> like i have said a thousand times.  there is not one bite of data on this computer that would bother me if the whole world knew it.     'hack me'
[01:46] <stratman4300> DR_willis: what solved the issue???
[01:47] <stratman4300> DR_willis: I have an ATI based system too
[01:47] <intelikey> there is not one password.   and not even one full name.    "hack me"
[01:47] <BluesKaj> stratman4300, which ati card ?
 ok hitman. i'm done.
[01:48] <stratman4300> blueskaj; ati xpress 1250
[01:49] <BluesKaj> stratman4300, just for your info : I have the x200g and reverted to the restricted driver in system settings/advanced after trying the ati new proprietaries
[01:49] <Dr_willis> stratman4300,  i recall tellikg kdm/gdm to 'always restart the x server' - But i havent had that issue since the gutsy release
[01:51] <mot> hey
[01:51] <BluesKaj> stratman4300, if you installed one of the new ati proprietary drivers it must be uninstalled first in oder for the enabled default restricted driver to take over.
[01:51] <mot> what is the difference beteween "vmsize" and  "vmrss" in the kde process table?
[01:53] <stratman4300> dr_willis: do i set that within the KDM configuration menu
[01:53] <stratman4300> BluesKaj: do the default restricted drivers support compiz???
[01:54] <BluesKaj> !compiz
[01:54] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:55] <BluesKaj> stratman4300, the ppl at compiz-fusion should know.
[01:55] <Liono> how to manage Users and Groups - Add/remove and configure users and privileges. Also manage groups.
[01:56] <intelikey> Liono kcontrol
[01:56] <intelikey> users and groups ^
[01:56] <phobes> I'm on gusty kubuntu AMD64 right now and was trying to reinstall i386, but I get garbage when I try to boot from the install CD, any advice?
[01:57] <intelikey> phobes try safe graphics mode ?
[01:57] <Liono> intelikey whcin heading in kcontrol|?
[01:57] <phobes> get garbage meaning on the screen, booting to safe graphics or specifying VGA 640x480x16 even don't help
[01:57] <intelikey> users and groups ^
[01:57] <Dr_willis> stratman4300,  I belive the setting was in the kdmrc config file somewhere.
[01:58] <intelikey> phobes add kernel option  noacpi nosplash vga=normal
[01:58] <Liono> intelikey i cant see any users and groups heading there
[01:59] <phobes> intelikey - can I do that from the menus under other?
[01:59] <stratman4300> Dr_willis: where is that file located at???   home directory??
[02:00] <intelikey> Liono maybe system settings - user*
[02:01] <Liono> intelikey theres no user. but user managment. but i can only addor del users. notthing else
[02:01]  * intelikey dreads when Liono finds it and removes himself from the admin group...
[02:02] <Liono> intelikey where can i edite privilages
[02:02] <phobes> intelikey - apologies for the noob question, but how do I pass kernel parameters?
[02:02] <intelikey> Liono so use the cli if you can't find a gui for it.    groupadd groupdel useradd
[02:02] <phobes> (I don't think I ever get a console)
[02:03] <Dr_willis> stratman4300,  a system wide config file would not be in the users home dirs. :)
[02:03] <intelikey> Liono what do you mean "where can i edite privilages" ?
[02:03] <Dr_willis> stratman4300, use -->  locate kdmrc
[02:03] <stratman4300> Dr_willis: lol....  i suppose your right.....   hehe
[02:03] <Dr_willis> which finds it in --> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:04] <intelikey> phobes the boot screen that allows you to select safe graphics mode also allows you to pass kernel params
[02:04] <phobes> oh ok thanks, I guess I just didn't see that
[02:04] <stratman4300> Dr_willis: yup...  found it...  forgot about the locate command..   :P
[02:04] <phobes> Thanks intelike, hopefully I won't be back :)
[02:04] <intelikey> phobes i think its   f6   not sure
[02:05] <intelikey> just look around there.
[02:05] <phobes> intelikey, to confirm, that's A C P I?
[02:05] <Liono> intelikey cli?
[02:05] <Liono> intelikey cli?
[02:05] <intelikey> phobes yes
[02:05] <Liono> intelikey oh. command line?
[02:05] <phobes> thx
[02:05] <intelikey> Liono what do you mean "where can i edite privilages" ???
[02:05] <Liono> intelikey yes. where can i edite pirli?
[02:06] <intelikey> i have no idea what you are talking about
[02:06]  * Dr_willis is in the dark./
[02:06] <Dr_willis> also
[02:06] <intelikey> Liono privilages to what ?
[02:06] <intelikey> which file ?
[02:06] <Dr_willis> You can alter a users groups, or othe settings. Files have read/write/executable  permissions
[02:06] <Liono> intelikey ubuntu has eiciel.    whats for kubuntu?
[02:07] <Dr_willis> Kubuntu has a user admin tool somewhere in the menus
[02:07] <intelikey> !info eiciel
[02:07] <ubotu> eiciel (source: eiciel): graphical editor for POSIX ACLs and extended user attributes. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-2 (gutsy), package size 463 kB, installed size 1100 kB
[02:08] <intelikey> install it and use it.
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[02:09] <intelikey> anyone know what Liono is calling "edite privilages" ?
[02:10] <intelikey> i hate to sound like a dummy.  but i'm at a loss there.
[02:10] <Liono> intelikey you saw infor about eiciel
[02:11] <intelikey> sure did.  helped not.
[02:13] <intelikey> acl=access control list ???
[02:15] <intelikey> Liono ok.    chmod  is the command line     and right click in konqueror   give an option to change the permissions of an inode.
[02:15] <BluesKaj> intelikey, permissions , maybe ?
[02:15] <intelikey> BluesKaj yeah i think that's what he's on about.      but i'm still guessing.
[02:16] <Dr_willis> Users have Privilages, Files have permissions. :) ?
[02:17] <intelikey> yes  but what google is telling me about posix acl's is the inode permissions bit.
[02:17] <intelikey> so i can only assume that is what he's after.
[02:17] <Liono> intelikey - kde-guidance , kiosktool, kuser
[02:18] <intelikey> Liono just tell us what you are trying to accomplish please.
[02:19] <Liono> see the describtion of those packages. youll know. i  got what i needed
[02:19] <Liono> ba bye:)
[02:19] <intelikey> ok if you got what you needed, then good.
[02:19] <intelikey> we still don't know what he wanted tho.
[02:21] <BluesKaj> secretive , those pakistanis :)
[02:21] <intelikey> :)
[02:22] <intelikey> i really think he was looking for a way to "admin linux, in a windows alike fassion"
[02:23] <Delvien> Hi, i installed KDE4 and i am loving it, but i find no where to connect to a network, there is no option for me to add a nm applet to panel.. Am i missing something? some package?
[02:23] <Delvien> its a ubuntu 7.10 install, and installed kubuntu-desktop, then kde4-core
[02:24] <intelikey> Delvien i hear tell that kde4 is the one missing some packages
[02:25] <Delvien> how do i fix?
[02:25] <intelikey> Delvien there is a channel for that tho,   /join #kubntu-kde4   i think
[02:25] <intelikey> kubuntu-kde4
[02:25] <intelikey> !kde4
[02:25] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:25] <Delvien> woops, sorry
[02:26] <intelikey> it's ok..   just that maybe there is better help for that in there.
[02:33] <intelikey> !admin | BluesKaj this might have applied to liono.
[02:33] <ubotu> BluesKaj this might have applied to liono.: Meddle not in the affairs of sysadmins for they are mysterious and quick to anger.
[02:33] <BluesKaj> or a sysadmin who has to switch his WAN to Linux :)
[02:34] <intelikey> yeah
[02:36] <intelikey> e2fsck: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda4   \n Could this be a zero-length partition?   <<<<   well like duh!
[02:37] <Pendeta> I'm trying to run the LiveCD on a new computer. It locks up immediately saying, Kernel alive kernel direct mapping tables ....
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: i thought it was "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
[02:37] <Pendeta> Does this mean it won't work on the that computer?
[02:38] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido i didn't write the infonode  :)
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> true
[02:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i still like mine better though
[02:39] <intelikey> Pendeta is the cd for the same archecture as the machine ?
[02:39] <Pendeta> Yes, AMD 64
[02:40] <stratman4300> What's the best way of mounting an ISO in linux??  is there a certain package i need to install???
[02:40] <intelikey> hmmm    well try the 32bit disk and see if it boots.
[02:40] <Dr_willis> !iso | stratman4300
[02:40] <ubotu> stratman4300: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[02:40] <stratman4300> thanks!!
[02:40] <Dr_willis> stratman4300,  its trivial :) heh heh no extras needed
[02:40] <intelikey> stratman4300 mount -o loop file.iso /mount/point
[02:41] <Dr_willis> stratman4300,  now dont expect wine and copy-prtroceted cd's to work that way however.
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> is there an infonode that lets people know when it's actually helpful to use the 64 bit release (and when it's not)
[02:42] <intelikey> !64bit
[02:42] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[02:42] <intelikey> nope.
[02:42] <stratman4300> Dr_willis: yup i figured...   just need to pull some files out of an ISO....  thanks for the info!!  :)
[02:42] <intelikey> !32bit
[02:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32bit - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <stratman4300> Now let's say i want to make an ISO out of a collection of files....  wil K3b do that??
[02:44] <intelikey> they built a bug into the LTS kernel that wouldn't release the loopback device after a loop mount.    i haven't tried it with the latest update to see if it's fixed.
[02:44] <intelikey> yes
[02:44] <stratman4300> k...  thank you
[02:46] <intelikey> wouldn't do any good to test it now.  i don't have a kernel installed.
[02:47] <shaffy> does anyone know how to uninstall all the useless apps that come with kubuntu?  i just want a minimum installation.  can anyone help?
[02:48] <intelikey> the !release page needs updated  it's two years old already
[02:48] <intelikey> shaffy yep
[02:49] <shaffy> okay intelikey :)
[02:50] <intelikey> shaffy   for Q in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | cut -d' ' -f3` ;do apt-get remove --purge -y $Q ;done     <<<< let that run and you'll have only the "essential" packages.
[02:50] <intelikey> only do that if you meant what you said.
[02:50] <shaffy> what will i be left with?  hehe
[02:51] <BluesKaj> intelikey, I already got lectured for complaining about the kubuntu how to pages coming up as ubuntu how to's ...a confusing issue for new users . I was told to go to launchpad, join up and edit the Wiki scripts for  ubotu..
[02:51] <intelikey> the packages marked "essential"   kernel bash and some libs    coreutils and console-tools    i think
[02:52] <intelikey> nothing that is not "essential"    apt-cache policy     can probably list them for you
[02:52] <intelikey> BluesKaj heh.     are you saying if i don't like it fix it ?
[02:53] <shaffy> intelikey: so will i be left with my desktop environment?
[02:53] <intelikey> Kohlrabi:   i like it   i like it. BluesKaj
[02:53] <BluesKaj> no intelikey , that's what I was told to do when i complained :)
[02:53] <intelikey> shaffy absolutely not
[02:53] <tuxwulf__> How do I get php to work on apache? When I use apt to install it, some module seems to be missing...
[02:53] <intelikey> shaffy xorg is not essential
[02:55] <intelikey> shaffy but you will be left with a working linux system on which you could install  x-window-system-core
[02:56] <intelikey> which will get you a working xorg  and they you could add an environment if you want one.       but you said "i just want a minimum installation.  can anyone help?"
[02:56] <intelikey> s/they/then/
[02:57] <intelikey> !lamp | tuxwulf__
[02:57] <ubotu> tuxwulf__: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[02:57] <tuxwulf__> I'll try.. thanks intelikey
[02:59] <intelikey> shaffy when you say "minimum installation" to me,  i think you mean "minimum installation"    not "minimum installation for windows vesta"
[03:00] <FuzzyByte_> help, i get black screen after kubuntu installation. actually the monitor cant even detect any vga input so i guess my video card isnt supported??
[03:00] <FuzzyByte_> i can boot to recovery mode but i cant get internet access
[03:00] <intelikey> FuzzyByte_ try   ctrl+alt+f1   ctrl+alt+f2    see if you get a login console
[03:00] <FuzzyByte_> also the installer whined that it couldnt find good network drivers
[03:01] <FuzzyByte_> and do what?
[03:01] <intelikey> FuzzyByte_ or recovery mode.     and do a   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      annd select the "vesa" driver.
[03:02] <FuzzyByte_> ok
[03:02] <intelikey> then you should be able to boot normally
[03:02] <FuzzyByte_> ill try that
[03:04] <intelikey> 768544 files (0.0% non-contiguous), 56931/1536207 blocks
[03:04] <intelikey> how do i defrag that ?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> intelikey, what's the command to see the non-contiguous blocks ?
[03:13] <intelikey> fsck   but dont' use it on a mounted fs
[03:13] <intelikey> fsck /dev/hda1    for example
[03:13] <nick_> FSCK YOU
[03:13] <nick_> GTFO
[03:14] <intelikey> nick_ are you trying to say something ?
[03:16] <BluesKaj> intelikey, should I check from the TTY prompt ?
[03:16] <intelikey> BluesKaj it is possable to use that on the root fs  but you need to remount it readonly first and then reboot when finished...    doesn't matter how you call the app really   just matters that nothing tries to write to the fs
[03:17] <BluesKaj> ok, think I'll just leave it alone :)
[03:19] <intelikey> e2fsck dirrectly interfaces with the file system   and can write to it.  a dirrect write outside the mounted fs on the same device can cause really big messes if the same fs also tries to write to the same inode/superblock    so it's not a command to play with unless you know what you are doing.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> ok, like I said....  :P
[03:20] <intelikey> kinda like two people editing the same file at the same time.   and both getting autosaves every so often....   really messy.
[03:22] <intelikey> what else but the linux kernel would provide a way to bypass the linux kernel and write dirrectly to the fs that the kernel is living in......
[03:23] <neville> Windows partition + EXTx driver?
[03:23] <crimsun_> userspace exploit + privilege escalation?
[03:23] <intelikey> e2fsck provides a way for linux to do open heart sergury on it's self.
[03:23] <jumpkick> how can I edit a utf8 file in kubuntu?
[03:23] <neville> :/
[03:23] <jumpkick> kate complains its binary
[03:24] <intelikey> hmmm kate should have a switch for utf8
[03:24] <neville> kedit -_-?
[03:24] <intelikey> jumpkick konsole set to utf8   and   nano file
[03:24] <intelikey> ?
[03:25] <intelikey> oo.o file
[03:25] <intelikey> abiword file
[03:25] <jumpkick> oh, it's utf16
[03:25] <neville> -____________________-v
[03:25] <intelikey> oh.
[03:25] <jumpkick> I switched the lang in kate
[03:25] <jumpkick> that seems to do it
[03:26] <intelikey> well that's different.  but yes kate should be able to still   as oo.o  and abiword should
[03:27] <jumpkick> intellikey: turns out is a utf16 file...  setting to UTF16 in konsole and then doing nano gives me lots of chinese chars :D
[03:27] <intelikey> :)
[03:28]  * intelikey doesn't understand what looks like lizard tracks and bird tracks.
[03:30] <BluesKaj> dinosaurs
[03:32] <intelikey> who w and users all return no one logged in.
[03:32] <intelikey> ooops w not installd
[03:32] <intelikey> who and users do tho
[03:32] <jumpkick> sigh...  can't open a replace dialog on utf16 encoded file in kate
[03:32] <jumpkick> works fine if I open a new file that's not utf16
[03:34] <jumpkick> maybe because kate warned it was a binary file when I opened it
[03:34] <intelikey> any other ways to view whom is logged in ?
[03:34] <jumpkick> intellikey: who -a
[03:34] <jumpkick> ?
[03:35] <intelikey> tty2 [greg$dell.~] who -a
[03:35] <intelikey>                         Feb 15 18:20              2037 id=l9    term=0 exit=0
[03:35] <spawn57> what's a good repository for ffmpeg?
[03:36] <intelikey> what's that  id=19   all about ?
[03:36] <intelikey> !ffmpeg
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ffmpeg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <intelikey> !medibuntu
[03:37] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:37] <spawn57> thanks
[03:39] <phobes> intelikey - I don't know if you're still around, but that sort of worked
[03:39] <phobes> except that on the new install I don't have sound, (proper) video, or network drivers insatlled
[03:39] <phobes> it would seem
[03:40] <phobes> Anyone have any ideas on what to do?  (intelikey had me install with 'noacpi nosplash vga=normal' to get around a problem I was having)
[03:41] <unagi_> !info jasper
[03:41] <ubotu> Package jasper does not exist in gutsy
[03:41] <intelikey> phobes three info nodes for you.
[03:41] <intelikey> !sound | phobes
[03:41] <ubotu> phobes: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:41] <intelikey> !ati | phobes
[03:41] <ubotu> phobes: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:42] <intelikey> !wifi | phobes
[03:42] <ubotu> phobes: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:42] <phobes> ubotu:  it's wired
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it's wired - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:42] <Fadon> what a strange bot
[03:42] <phobes> intelkey - another stupid question - what's an info node?  What do I do with e.g. !sound ?
[03:43] <intelikey> phobes the things ubotu just posted   ^
[03:43] <phobes> oh ok thank
[03:43] <phobes> s
[03:44] <phobes> !net
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about net - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <phobes> !network
[03:44] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:44] <spawn57> !ninja
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ninja - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <spawn57> !mepis
[03:45] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[03:45] <unagi_> anyone have kopete crash on them alot
[03:46] <BluesKaj> spawn57, mepis is nice but a bit lame
[03:47] <spawn57> lame? how so?
[03:47] <Fadon> unagi: what kind of crash?
[03:47] <unagi_> when i try to configure msn, it hangs and goes dark, when i try to configure devices, it hangs and goes dark
[03:48] <BluesKaj> mepis suffers from too little too late application-wise IMHO
[03:48] <Fadon> do you use kubuntu 7.10 ?
[03:48] <unagi_> yes
[03:48] <Fadon> did you install the patch for msn protocol?
[03:49] <unagi_> i wasnt aware of a patch
[03:49] <Fadon> there's a know issue
[03:49] <Fadon> but only in the msn protocol
[03:49] <Fadon> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kdelibs4c2a_3.5.8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[03:49] <Fadon> that's the patch
[03:50] <intelikey> oh apatchy  :)
[03:50] <unagi_> does kopete .5 fix anything?
[03:51] <BluesKaj> sacktime for me...nodding off here ..Nitey nite, take care .
[03:51] <unagi_> that link tells me that a later version is already installed
[03:51] <edizar> hola
[03:52] <intelikey> hola edizar
[03:52] <intelikey> !es
[03:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:52] <Fadon> install it anyway
[03:52] <edizar> ok, gracias
[03:52] <unagi_> it wont let me
[03:52] <Fadon> what strange
[03:53] <Fadon> could you use kopete for msn before?
[03:53] <edizar> como hago para entrar a estos canales
[03:53] <unagi_> never
[03:53] <intelikey> /join #canales
[03:54] <Fadon> when did you install kubuntu
[03:54] <unagi_> couple of weeks ago
[03:54] <phobes> intelikey - well, this is the new machine, thanks
[03:54] <Fadon> but you never use kopete? for Jabber or another protocol
[03:54] <intelikey> phobes welcome.
[03:55] <unagi_> i use gaim
[03:55] <unagi_> im trying to find a client to use my webcam with
[03:55] <Fadon> gaim on KDE ?
[03:55] <Fadon> the best for webcams is Skype
[03:55] <intelikey> Fadon and why not
[03:55] <unagi_> i dont use skype service
[03:55] <Fadon> there're not reasons intelikey
[03:55] <intelikey> k
[03:56] <Fadon> i don't know what's happening with kopete
[03:56] <Fadon> once you install the patch
[03:56] <Fadon> there're no more problems
[03:56] <unagi_> i cant install the patch
[03:56] <intelikey> i may deside to use gaim  or amsn  or something one day.....  but probably not.
[03:57] <intelikey> unagi_ well you can if you want to force it.  but i'll try to say out of that.
[03:58] <Fadon> force is a good idea
[03:58] <unagi_> eh
[03:58] <unagi_> sounds dangerous
[03:58] <Fadon> not really
[03:59] <Fadon> cause now you can't be worst
[03:59] <NickPresta> Does anyone else who use Pidgin notice that that some conversations are not logged?
[03:59] <Fadon> there's nothing left to lose
[03:59] <unagi_> besides screwing my whole kubuntu installation
[04:00] <intelikey> sudo dpkg -i --force-all /path/to/file.deb     you can undo that the same way.   sudo dpkg -P --force-all package-name      but one may want to follow any such command with   sudo apt-get remove -f
[04:00] <Fadon> -f = fix
[04:00] <Fadon> kubuntu won't die
[04:00] <intelikey> Fadon fix_missing
[04:01] <intelikey> harder to kill a pinguin, than one might think.
[04:02] <intelikey> i've stabed beet boludgened shot burned and tried to drown in moter oil.  this pinguin....
[04:03]  * intelikey is professional pinguin crash test dummy
[04:05] <Israphel> i'm back
[04:07] <ForgeAus> :( how to fix overlapping partitions?
[04:08] <ForgeAus> qtparted doesn't read it :(
[04:08] <ForgeAus> acronis must have done that
[04:08] <ForgeAus> (but it did recover my FAT12 drive)
[04:08] <ForgeAus> I guess setting them to logical drives was a bad thing
[04:08] <Israphel> did you try with a live CD with Gparted or something like that?
[04:09] <ForgeAus> now qtparted doesn't read it, and XP's diskmgmt gets it all wrong
[04:09] <Israphel> and Gparted?
[04:09] <ForgeAus> livecd with qtparted, kubuntu's lcd doesn't have gparted afaik
[04:09] <intelikey> !info testdisk
[04:09] <ubotu> testdisk (source: testdisk): Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.6-1 (gutsy), package size 668 kB, installed size 2624 kB
[04:10] <ForgeAus> The program 'gparted' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[04:10] <ForgeAus> apt-get install gparted
[04:10] <ForgeAus> well it shouldn't exactly need recovery
[04:10] <Israphel> here's a topic about this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-359374.html
[04:10] <ForgeAus> anyway testdisk isn't installed on Feisty livecd
[04:11] <intelikey> no but can be
[04:11] <ForgeAus> hmm fdisk -l gets it right
[04:12] <Israphel> http://www-oss.fnal.gov/projects/fermilinux/common/faq/old/0002.html
[04:12] <Israphel> paste the fdisk -l here
[04:12] <Israphel> just to see
[04:12] <intelikey> then you shoud be able to resize the overlap.
[04:13] <ForgeAus> ahh IC something that happened, my sdb3 has become sdb2
[04:14] <ForgeAus> that might change some things
[04:14] <Israphel> i had a similiar problem
[04:14] <cicero123> hello room.
[04:14] <Israphel> i had a ntfs partition before all the linux partition
[04:14] <glick> hi
[04:14] <Israphel> and when i deleted, i couldn't use the free space
[04:15] <intelikey> Israphel last time i had something like that, i stopped using partitions.
[04:15] <Israphel> now i have just the basic
[04:15] <Israphel> first, the swap 1 GB
[04:15] <Israphel> then, the / 10 B
[04:15] <Israphel> and last
[04:15] <Israphel> the /home, all the rest
[04:15] <cicero123> i was blacklisted for some reason and an admin i emailed asked me to poke him when i get back on. what does poke mean?
[04:15] <Israphel> and nothing more
[04:16] <intelikey> i have ext2fs on /dev/hdd and no partitions
[04:17] <intelikey> cicero123 probably that he wishes to hear from you.
[04:17] <glick> hey quick question
[04:17] <glick> im using the kubuntu live cd
[04:17] <glick> why in dolphin, are the options listed twice
[04:17] <glick> for example
[04:17] <glick> it says Compress Here twice
[04:17] <glick> and Open Terminal Here twice
[04:17] <glick> and Archive & encrypt folder twice
[04:18] <glick> etc, etc
[04:18] <intelikey> cause someone made a mistake.
[04:18] <glick> every option
[04:18] <ForgeAus> wait it always was sdb2 apparently, thats weird
[04:18] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[04:18] <ForgeAus> something odd going on here
[04:18] <glick> is that a bug thats fixed in an upgrade?
[04:18] <Israphel> yeah, i had that problem on dolphin once
[04:18] <Israphel> but only in Live
[04:18] <Israphel> then it dissapeared forever
[04:18] <glick> ghey
[04:19] <glick> Israphel: what email client you use in kubuntu?
[04:19] <ForgeAus> how many grub stage1_5's are there?
[04:19] <intelikey> ForgeAus one for each fs type that is supported
[04:19] <Israphel> actually
[04:19] <Israphel> Thunderbird
[04:20] <Israphel> but Kmail isn't bad
[04:20] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu has xfs, jfs, iso9660, minix, reiserfs, fat and e2fss
[04:20] <intelikey> ForgeAus i have tested deleting all but the one for the rootfs and it works fine
[04:20] <Israphel> oh mein gott
[04:21] <ForgeAus> lol
[04:21] <glick> how come when your setting up a wireless card, in system config it only gives you the option of wep
[04:21] <Israphel> i just have ext3
[04:21] <glick> what about wep2 and such
[04:21] <ForgeAus> what is e2fs anyway?
[04:21] <arcticpenguin380> e2fs=ext2
[04:21] <ForgeAus> ext2?
[04:21] <ForgeAus> IC
[04:21] <intelikey> ext 2 file system
[04:21] <Israphel> i've installed extra packages to use wpa2 with Kubuntu
[04:21] <arcticpenguin380> ext3 is just ext2 with a logfile
[04:21] <Israphel> and it's working now
[04:21] <arcticpenguin380> journal i mean
[04:21] <ForgeAus> yeah ext2 can read ext3 anyway right?
[04:21] <intelikey> 6
[04:22] <intelikey> err yes
[04:23] <ForgeAus> so intellikey does that mean Kubuntu can boot from non-ext3 partitions?
[04:23] <glick> can i use wep2 and such with kdse?
[04:23] <Israphel> glick, you have to install extra packages to use wpa2
[04:23] <glick> what package?
[04:23] <carlitox> Hola cabezas de guevo
[04:24] <NickPresta> !es | carlitox
[04:24] <ubotu> carlitox: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[04:24] <Israphel> there're three
[04:24] <Israphel> network-manager
[04:24] <Israphel> wpagui
[04:24] <Israphel> wpasupplicant
[04:24] <glick> hmm
[04:24] <glick> they should be installed by default
[04:24] <ForgeAus> and is there an ntfs_stage1_5?
[04:24] <Israphel> and network manager kde, to have a front end
[04:25] <Israphel> i think the same, but some people use Wep, and ban the mac adresses
[04:25] <carlitox> what the hell are u talking 'bout?
[04:25] <carlitox> I just don't get it
[04:25] <glick> its just something that shold work out of the box
[04:26] <carlitox> I'm just new over here
[04:26] <Israphel> we're talking
[04:26] <Israphel> of WPA2
[04:27] <Israphel> for wireless cards
[04:27] <carlitox> I have no clue .....
[04:27] <carlitox> It's a new tecnlogy?
[04:27] <glick> ii cant install anything using the live cd?
[04:27] <Israphel> yes you can
[04:27] <glick> i hope my sound card and wireless card are supported
[04:27] <Israphel> but it won't be saved
[04:28] <glick> adept cant find anything when i type in wpasupplicant
[04:28] <Israphel> all will be lost when you reboot
[04:28] <Israphel> let me check that
[04:28] <glick> hey does anyone know if the 4964agn card is supported?
[04:28] <glick> and sigmatel audio?
[04:29] <carlitox> it doesn't work.. buy another stuff
[04:29] <glick> what doesnt work?
[04:30] <carlitox> i have it... and it does not work... i lost my money in it
[04:30] <carlitox> 4964agn card version 0.2 plus
[04:30] <Israphel> the package is in adept
[04:31] <Agent_bob> oh i've been gone.
[04:31] <glick> i find that hard to believe carlitox
[04:31] <Israphel> carlitox no hagas chistes boludos :P
[04:31] <Agent_bob> and didn't even know it.
[04:31] <Israphel> don't believe it
[04:31] <carlitox> jajajja :P
[04:31] <carlitox> Just kidding
[04:31] <carlitox> so...
[04:31] <glick> Israphel: im typing it into adept wpasupplicant
[04:31] <carlitox> Kisses
[04:31] <Israphel> the best form to get a wifi card work
[04:31] <glick> nothing comes up
[04:31] <carlitox> I gona to jerk off
[04:31] <carlitox> bye
[04:31] <Israphel> active all the repos
[04:31] <Israphel> ALL
[04:31] <Israphel> it's not in main
[04:32] <glick> ah
[04:32] <jireh> #kubuntu-es
[04:33] <Israphel> turn on all the repos
[04:33] <Israphel> then refresh
[04:33] <Israphel> or update
[04:33] <Israphel> then install
[04:34] <glick> damn how do i update in Adept Installer?
[04:34] <Agent_bob> apply changes ?
[04:34] <glick> thas what i did
[04:34] <Agent_bob> refresh ?
[04:34] <Israphel> is auto
[04:35] <Israphel> when you change something
[04:35] <glick> still nothing comes up when i type wpa
[04:35] <Israphel> close adept and use the console
[04:35] <Agent_bob> konsole
[04:35]  * Agent_bob is particular about the differance there.
[04:36] <Israphel> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <Israphel> do that
[04:36] <Israphel> and check
[04:36] <Israphel> the lines
[04:36] <Israphel> with a #
[04:36] <glick> can kopete still not send files?
[04:36] <Agent_bob> bad advice.
[04:36] <Israphel> to find the comented repos
[04:36] <Agent_bob> !sudo
[04:36] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[04:36] <Agent_bob> !kdesudo | Israphel
[04:36] <ubotu> Israphel: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[04:37] <Israphel> why, i can use sudo whenever i want
[04:37] <Agent_bob> you can use it when you want.  but don't advise it when it's a graphical app
[04:37] <Agent_bob> read the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:38] <Israphel> glick, check the last lines
[04:38] <Israphel> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security main restricted
[04:38] <Israphel> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security main restricted
[04:38] <Israphel> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security universe
[04:38] <Israphel> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security universe
[04:38] <Israphel> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security multiverse
[04:38] <Israphel> deb http://ar.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-updates restricted main multiverse universe
[04:38] <Israphel> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy-security multiverse
[04:38] <glick> damn still nothin under wpa
[04:38] <Agent_bob> !flood
[04:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:38] <walmik> hi all... when i try  to start th adept manager, it says that some background prcocess is using it. if i say yes to resolve it, then it crashes. any idea how i can run adept manager
[04:39] <oloughlin75> !adeptfix | walmik
[04:39] <ubotu> walmik: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:39] <Agent_bob> !adeptcrash | walmik
[04:39] <Agent_bob> oooops too slow isn't me
[04:39] <walmik> oloughlin75: Agent_bob: thanks, i ll try that
[04:40] <glick> why cant i find the wpa stuff under adept i enabled all the software repos and did an update from the cmdline
[04:40] <glick> the commandline apt-get sees it
[04:40] <Israphel> sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[04:41] <Israphel> try it
[04:41] <glick> is that another bug Israphel?
[04:41] <Israphel> i don't think so
[04:41] <Israphel> it must appear
[04:42] <Israphel> i'm seeing it on adept and synaptic
[04:42] <Israphel> the package is there
[04:43] <walmik> oloughlin75: thnks it worked!
[04:43] <oloughlin75> good to hear
[04:43] <Israphel> i had the same problem with adept
[04:43] <Israphel> but if fixed magically
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[04:44]  * cicero123 likes snickers candy bars
[04:47] <intelikey> how long does it take to badblocks a tarabite ?
[04:47] <cicero123> i am getting hal errors in getting ntsf hard drives to mount. i keep getting hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000. how do i get the thing to mount?
[04:48] <Israphel> the force never fails
[04:48] <Israphel> to mount ntfs
[04:48] <intelikey> cicero123 maybe add yourself to the hal or hald group ?
[04:48] <cicero123> too much force breaks things me found.
[04:48] <glick> my wireless card seems to have gotten some random ip address
[04:48] <cicero123> k.
[04:49] <glick> network manager still only says enter web password
[04:49] <glick> wep
[04:49] <Israphel> you need wpasupplicant
[04:49] <Israphel> to use wpa2
[04:49] <hydrogen> uhh
[04:49] <glick> Israphel: i have itinstalled
[04:49] <hydrogen> network manager works fine with wpa2
[04:49] <hydrogen> out of the box
[04:49] <Israphel> install wpagui
[04:50] <Israphel> and network-manager-kde
[04:50] <glick> hydrogen: its doesnt give me a wpa2 option it just says wep password
[04:50] <glick> Israphel: i installed those
[04:50] <Israphel> i have that 3 packages
[04:50] <hydrogen> glick: thats awesome, glad to hear it
[04:50] <Israphel> and i'm using a netgear router with wpa2 right now
[04:50] <Israphel> you need to reboot
[04:50] <Israphel> to start the daemon
[04:50] <glick> oh, bummer
[04:50] <Israphel> that's a pint
[04:50] <intelikey> ?
[04:50] <Israphel> point
[04:51] <Israphel> are you still in live ?
[04:51] <glick> yeah
[04:51] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/script start
[04:51] <Israphel> glick, here an interesting link about your hardware http://aldeby.org/blog/?page_id=87
[04:51] <cicero123> intelikey: there is a haldeamon group... would that be it?
[04:51] <intelikey> you don't need to reboot for that ^
[04:51] <intelikey> cicero123 probably   try it
[04:52] <Israphel> (shhh, he must install kubuntu if we say YES YOU NEED)
[04:52] <intelikey> Israphel do you call that helping him ?
[04:53] <cicero123> intelikey: nope. still get the hal-1000 errors
[04:53] <Israphel> no, i don't
[04:54] <glick> Israphel: so i probably have to install and do a update upgrade and most of my problems will likely be solved by now>?
[04:54] <unagi_> how do i fix broken packages
[04:54] <unagi_> i have a crap load
[04:55] <intelikey> sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get install -f ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:55] <Israphel> glick
[04:55] <Israphel> for that reason
[04:55] <Israphel> i found that link
[04:55] <Israphel> with the hardware
[04:55] <Israphel> you talked about
[04:55] <Liono> iam using kiosktool but its window size is too big that i cannot see the buttons at the bottom. what can i do?
[04:56] <unagi_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100)
[04:56] <Israphel> did you use a paviliion?
[04:56] <Israphel> with 4965abgn ?
[04:56] <intelikey> cicero123 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=425085
[04:57] <glick> Israphel: no i have a dell latitude D830
[04:57] <intelikey> cicero123 see if that helps
[04:57] <unagi_> Israphel: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100)
[04:57] <Israphel> o mein gott
[04:57] <glick> hmm i guess konqueror cant display gmail account
[04:58] <Israphel> Intel Wireless (3945ABG, 4965ABGN) ?
[04:58] <glick> warum sagst du immer o mein gott
[04:58] <glick> ?
[04:58] <Dimitree> guys what is the command to start archive manager ?
[04:58] <Israphel> that's all the german i know
[04:58] <glick> oh ok
[04:58] <unagi_> Israphel: any idea?
[04:58] <Israphel> and some other words...
[04:58] <intelikey> Dimitree adept
[04:58] <Israphel> did you force the Deb ?
[04:59] <unagi_> yes
[04:59] <Dimitree> thank you
[04:59] <intelikey> Dimitree or did you mean   fileroller  ?
[05:00]  * Liono waits
[05:00] <intelikey> Liono so grab it and move it to where you can see it
[05:00] <glick> hmm im tempted to install kubuntu
[05:00] <glick> yet i hesitate
[05:01] <Israphel> i'm very lost
[05:01] <intelikey> alt+left-mouse  & move  -- Liono
[05:01] <Israphel> about your problem unagi
[05:01] <Liono> intelikey its so big that even i move it to the top. the buttons dont show
[05:01] <Israphel> glick, keep your OS in a partition if you're not sure
[05:01] <cicero123> intelikey: thanx. :)
[05:01] <intelikey> Liono so move it farther
[05:01] <unagi_> this is why i shouldnt listen to people all the time
[05:01] <unagi_> just force it, cant hur
[05:01] <Israphel> and bookmark this: http://aldeby.org/blog/?page_id=87#wireless
[05:01] <intelikey> cicero123 that do it for you ?
[05:01] <unagi_> hurt
[05:02] <Liono> intelikey it only goes till the top of desktop
[05:02] <cicero123> i am reading it now.
[05:02] <intelikey> Liono ?   why ?
[05:02] <Israphel> i didn't hut
[05:02] <Israphel> hurt
[05:02] <Liono> intelikey oh. got it :)
[05:02] <Liono> intelikey oh. got it :) thanks
[05:02] <intelikey> welcome
[05:03] <unagi_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) anyone know what that means
[05:03] <cicero123> intelikey: if found this post. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009 i am going to give it a try.
[05:03] <glick> thunderbird looks nice but it misses a nice planning app
[05:03] <glick> thats whats nice about the kontact suite
[05:03] <intelikey> cicero123 k  good luck and tre bon chance and all that rah
[05:04] <Dimitree> intelikey: i recentry changed to KDE and i need the archive managaer with which i was able to open an iso and extract files from it in gnome
[05:05] <Liono> any one used kiosktool?
[05:05] <intelikey> Dimitree oh,   ok mount the iso    konsole   sudo mount -o loop blah.iso /mnt    and use konqueror to browse /mnt
[05:05] <Dimitree> okeiz
[05:05] <unagi_> why did i let him break my apt
[05:06] <cicero123> intelikey: thanx. bbl. its late and i want to try it tomorrow when my brain isnt so tired.
[05:06] <cicero123> have a good day/night all.
[05:06] <Israphel> sudo apt-get install -f
[05:06] <Israphel> sudo apt-get autoremove
[05:06] <Israphel> never fail XD
[05:06] <unagi_> like i said
[05:06] <intelikey> unagi_ ok above the error there is a reason for it.  probably up about 20 lines   show that error message and i'll see if i can fix that for you.
[05:06] <unagi_> install -f outputs E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100)
[05:06] <unagi_> there is no other error
[05:07] <intelikey> yeah there it.
[05:07] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:07] <intelikey> you'll see it.
[05:07] <unagi_> if im looking for 'error'
[05:07] <unagi_> its not there
[05:08] <intelikey> E: == error   also.
[05:09] <glick> so if i install kubuntu it will automatically partition my drive and wont screw up my XP pro install?
[05:09] <unagi_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56188/
[05:09] <unagi_> i understand
[05:09] <unagi_> what about there is no error isnt clear
[05:10] <oloughlin75> lol
[05:10] <intelikey> you didn't cut anything between line 23 and 24 ???  </blinks>
[05:11] <oloughlin75> glick- NO, it defaults to using the whole drive
[05:11] <unagi_> ................
[05:11] <intelikey> but that wasn't    sudo dpkg --configure -a    <<<< run that.
[05:11] <oloughlin75> glick- so it will by default, erase it all
[05:11] <Israphel> you have to select
[05:11] <unagi_> i shall run it again
[05:11] <Israphel> manual
[05:11] <unagi_> it tells me to sudo apt-get -f
[05:11] <Israphel> and resize the partition of windows
[05:11] <oloughlin75> glick- you need to do it manually, resize the xp, make a swap and your filoesystem partition
[05:11] <glick> Israphel: right, but it can resize the partition without screwing it up?
[05:11] <unagi_> says command not found
[05:11] <glick> do i need swap with 2gigs ram?
[05:12] <intelikey> ?
[05:12] <intelikey> pastebin it
[05:12] <unagi_> i dont need a pastebn
[05:12] <unagi_> sudo: dpkg: command not found
[05:12] <Israphel> yes, you need swap anyway
[05:12] <_Angelus_> yes glick you need it
[05:12] <glick> so 4 gigs swap?
[05:12] <Israphel> but not a lot
[05:12] <intelikey> echo "$PATH"
[05:12] <Israphel> noooooooooooooooo
[05:12] <_Angelus_> yes
[05:12] <Israphel> XD
[05:12] <Israphel> no that sos mad
[05:12] <Israphel> 1 GB of swap
[05:12] <Israphel> or less
[05:12] <_Angelus_> 1G ?
[05:12] <Israphel> yes
[05:13] <_Angelus_> are you insae O_o
[05:13] <Israphel> at max
[05:13] <_Angelus_> swap should always be 2times the ram
[05:13] <Israphel> you cant get full 4 GB of swap
[05:13] <Israphel> never
[05:13] <intelikey> unagi_  echo "$PATH"    for me
[05:13] <Israphel> yes, but with a MAXIMUM
[05:13] <Israphel> of 1 GB
[05:13] <Israphel> just
[05:13] <unagi_> "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games"
[05:13] <Israphel> open your system sensor
[05:13] <Israphel> watch your swap
[05:13] <intelikey> unagi_ ok     ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg
[05:13] <oloughlin75> swap isnt used much if you have more than a gig of ram
[05:13] <Israphel> is very hard to get it 100 MB full
[05:13] <Israphel> i have 1 GB of ram
[05:14] <Israphel> and right now
[05:14] <Israphel> i'm using 23 MB of swap
[05:14] <unagi_> ls: /usr/bin/dpkg: No such file or directory
[05:14] <Dimitree> intelikey: mounting and copy paste doesn't work
[05:14] <_Angelus_> so what?
[05:14] <_Angelus_> im using 0
[05:14] <_Angelus_> but...
[05:14] <_Angelus_> still
[05:14] <oloughlin75> Israphel- not much :)
[05:14] <intelikey> unagi_ heh.   how did you do that ?
[05:14] <_Angelus_> the swap should be 2times the ram
[05:14] <Israphel> there's the answer
[05:14] <Israphel> no
[05:14] <unagi_> i did nothing more than what was suggested to me earlier
[05:14] <Israphel> that's not a rule
[05:14] <_Angelus_> it doesnt mean because your not using much of it right now , you wont be using it in the future :)
[05:15] <_Angelus_> its not a rule, its a guidline,
[05:15] <Dimitree> how can i extrat 3-4 files from iso image ?
[05:15] <glick> 4 gigs seems like alot of wasted space
[05:15] <intelikey> unagi_ you're in for a reload.   use the up arrow key and look through the command you ran,   what did you run that had dpkg in it   that it wasn't the word after sudo ?
[05:15] <unagi_> Dimitree:  mount then copy and paste
[05:15] <oloughlin75> i have 2 gigs of ram and ive never seen my swap used :/
[05:16] <_Angelus_> glick: if you want to be safe, use 4GB swap
[05:16] <Israphel> that's a fact
[05:16] <intelikey> unagi_ i'm really interested in what you did that removed dpkg from the system.
[05:16] <Israphel> ME TOO
[05:16] <Israphel> glick, just put 1 GB of swap
[05:16] <glick> suspend to disk uses swap?
[05:16] <Dimitree> unagi_: that doesn't work
[05:16] <intelikey> unagi_ did you at some point type   "Yes, do as I say!"  ???
[05:16] <glick> does it change if im on a laptop?
[05:17] <unagi_> dpkg -i --force-all /path/to/file.deb
[05:17] <Israphel> no, is the same
[05:17] <intelikey> that will not remove dpkg ^
[05:17] <Dimitree> unagi_: it says no permissions
[05:17] <_Angelus_> glick:  no, suspend to disk(hibernation) saves and image to the hard drive, suspend to ram(suspend/sleep) saves and image in the ram
[05:17] <unagi_> i never said sudo apt-get remove dpkg
[05:17] <glick> ah i see
[05:17] <unagi_> so whatever was suggested screwed something up
[05:18] <intelikey> Dimitree what doesn't work ?
[05:18] <_Angelus_> glick:  but, if ram is full , then it will use swap :)
[05:18] <intelikey> unagi_ you may have said   sudo remove(or install) -f   and it ask you to input  "Yes, do as I say!"  ??? no?
[05:18] <glick> _Angelus_: i figure if im swapping in more then a gig of ram the performance will be so shitty i may as well reboot
[05:19] <glick> :)
[05:19] <_Angelus_> Israphel: and you should stop giving bad info to people.
[05:19] <unagi_> i never say yes do as i say
[05:19] <unagi_> saw
[05:19] <unagi_> dimitree did u sudo?
[05:19] <Israphel> i'm not giving bad info
[05:19] <oloughlin75> glick- i agree
[05:19] <Israphel> swap IS NOT 2 times the ram
[05:19] <_Angelus_> glick: depends, linux usually doenst store the important stuff in swap, but the less important stuff :)
[05:19] <intelikey> unagi_ hmmm   well try one other thing close that konsole and open another then type    which dpkg
[05:20] <glick> well im gonna reboot into windows, to make sure my house is in order there before i attempt an install,
[05:20] <glick> ill be back
[05:20] <glick> wish me luck
[05:20] <Liono> can some body tell me where can i have kiosk guide or help web page?
[05:20] <Liono> can some body tell me where can i have kiosktool guide or help web page?
[05:20] <oloughlin75> good luck glick! :)
[05:20] <glick> thanks
[05:20] <glick> thanks everyone
[05:20] <Israphel> you dont need luck
[05:20] <unagi_> dimitree did u sudo?
[05:20] <Israphel> just do it
[05:20] <unagi_> er
[05:20] <unagi_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56190/
[05:22] <unagi_> ??
[05:22] <intelikey> is that old data ?    or did you just run that ?
[05:22] <Israphel> is looks that dpkg still there
[05:22] <unagi_> that is the output of the command i was suggested to do earlier
[05:23] <unagi_> before all this crap started happening
[05:23] <intelikey> yeah old data.
[05:23] <intelikey> there is nothing wrong with that output.
[05:23] <intelikey> what follows it ?
[05:24] <Israphel> all this crap XD
[05:25] <unagi_> dpkg isnt installed
[05:25] <intelikey> this is the kubuntu channel  it's  krap  in here  :)
[05:25] <intelikey> and gcrap in #ubuntu  :/
[05:26] <unagi_> !krap
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <oloughlin75> !find krap
[05:26] <ubotu> Found: kraptor, kraptor-data
[05:26] <oloughlin75> :D
[05:26] <cptnspoon> lol
[05:26] <unagi_> !dpkg
[05:26] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[05:26] <unagi_> so how do i reinstall it
[05:26] <Israphel> !doing it
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doing it - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <intelikey> from source ...
[05:27] <unagi_> from where
[05:27] <intelikey> well you might be able to use a live cd and salvage that install
[05:27] <Israphel> the source code
[05:27] <Israphel> thats another option
[05:27] <unagi_> Israphel: that means nothing to me
[05:27] <unagi_> and i dont have a live cd
[05:27] <unagi_> i have the iso
[05:27] <Israphel> is a tar.gz file
[05:27] <intelikey> i can't believe that he was able to remove dpkg and still has apt
[05:27] <Israphel> with a folder
[05:27] <unagi_> can i do it from mount
[05:28] <Israphel> you put the folder somewhere
[05:28] <Israphel> and do:
[05:28] <Israphel> ./configure
[05:28] <Israphel> sudo make
[05:28] <Israphel> sudo make install
[05:28] <unagi_> yes
[05:28] <Israphel> and that is :D
[05:28] <unagi_> but where do i get the source
[05:28] <intelikey> unagi_ you didn't do something like rm `which dpkg`  did you ?
[05:28] <oloughlin75> unagi_- what're doing?
[05:28] <unagi_> no
[05:28] <Israphel> in the ubuntu packages web page
[05:28] <unagi_> oloughlin75: fixing my pc after accepting bad advice
[05:28] <oloughlin75> messed up xorg?
[05:28] <intelikey> Israphel he would have to have all the dependancies and gcc already installed...
[05:29] <Israphel> oh thats true
[05:29] <intelikey> oloughlin75 he has no "dpkg" anymore.
[05:29] <unagi_> no oloughlin75 dpkg isnt installed
[05:29] <Israphel> you can install gcc with the CD
[05:29] <oloughlin75> ooo thats you :0
[05:29] <unagi_> gcc?
[05:30] <oloughlin75> c compiler
[05:30] <intelikey> Israphel how ?    dpkg is missing....
[05:30] <Israphel> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:30] <unagi_> im lost
[05:30] <Israphel> mein gott!!!
[05:30] <intelikey> Israphel apt-get is useless without dpkg
[05:30] <unagi_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[05:30] <Israphel> fuc***ing dpkg
[05:30] <Israphel> we miss you
[05:30] <intelikey> apt-get is useless without dpkg
[05:31] <Israphel> and
[05:31] <Israphel> aptitude?
[05:31] <intelikey> unagi_ can you /dcc send intelikey ~/.bash_history  please
[05:32] <intelikey> Israphel same
[05:32] <Israphel> oh god
[05:32] <Israphel> so whats the difference
[05:32] <Israphel> !aptitude
[05:32] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[05:32] <Israphel> thanks obotu
[05:32] <Israphel> ubotu
[05:32] <Israphel> XD
[05:32] <intelikey> apt is a frontend to dpkg
[05:32] <unagi_> says it doesnt exist
[05:33] <intelikey> use full path /home/unagi/.bash_history
[05:34] <unagi_> do i have to register to send
[05:34] <intelikey> oh .   yeah.  sorry.
[05:34] <intelikey> never mind.    i won't make you do that
[05:35] <Israphel> unagi is a kind of fish isn't it ?
[05:35] <unagi_> there is nothing of interest in there anyway
[05:35] <unagi_> it didnt log everything
[05:35] <unagi_> omg this is annoying
[05:35] <unagi_> where can i get dpkg
[05:36] <intelikey> unagi_ you might boot the livecd and use a switch for the destination of the install and install dpkg from there to your installed system.   else you are in for a reload
[05:37] <unagi_> i dont have a livecd
[05:37] <unagi_> why did i go against my better judgement
[05:37] <unagi_> just force the package he said
[05:37] <unagi_> cant do any worse he said
[05:37] <intelikey> install CD/DVD ?
[05:37] <unagi_> i dont have a cd to burn it to
[05:37] <Liono> can some body tell me where can i have kiosktool guide or help web page? kubuntu
[05:38] <intelikey> unagi_ have the iso ? errr never mind.   it's a casper image on the iso image
[05:38] <unagi_> a what?
[05:38] <intelikey> Liono kde.org documentation    or  tldp.org   pick your take.
[05:39] <Israphel> i really dont not what did you do
[05:39] <Israphel> you're the first i meet that kill dpkg XD
[05:39] <Liono> intelikey no help in either
[05:40] <intelikey> Israphel well i've killed dpkg.  but i knew what i was doing when it did it.   and it's really particular that you tell it to go ahead before it does it.
[05:40] <unagi_> i have the dpkg deb now what
[05:40] <Israphel> force a deb isn't equal to kill dpkg
[05:40] <Israphel> you need the live cd
[05:41] <Israphel> where dit you put it
[05:41] <unagi_> i dont know i dont keep track of cds
[05:41] <intelikey> Liono well kde.org is the official site for that, and tldp.org is the official site for linux documentation.   so if neither of those have anything useful   you probably wont find it.
[05:41] <Liono> ok
[05:41] <Liono> thanks
[05:41] <intelikey> unagi_ without dpkg a .deb is worth nothing to you.
[05:42] <Israphel> need a live cd and make a chroot
[05:42] <intelikey> of course one could manually extract the files from the .deb
[05:42] <Israphel> with ark
[05:42] <unagi_> right
[05:42] <Israphel> but no sense
[05:42] <unagi_> so what do i do with the tar.bz inside
[05:43] <Israphel> it has to be copy somewhere
[05:43] <Ouranos999> what??
[05:44] <unagi_> ?
[05:44] <Israphel> i don't know where
[05:44] <Israphel> intelikey come back
[05:44] <Israphel> du bis gott hier
[05:45] <unagi_> bist*
[05:45] <Israphel> thanks
[05:45] <Israphel> XD
[05:45] <Agent_bob> !de
[05:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:45] <Israphel> so what is bis ?
[05:45] <unagi_> nothing that i know of
[05:45] <Israphel> Wu bist du? --> such a nice song
[05:46] <Agent_bob> ok dpkg does support the     --root=dir   switch which would allow installing dpkg from another system
[05:46] <unagi_> cant i just extract the folders preserving the tree in the tar.bz
[05:46] <Israphel> you can try
[05:47] <Agent_bob> unagi_ that's not compiled.
[05:47] <Agent_bob> unagi_ so  no.
[05:47] <Israphel> really?
[05:47] <Israphel> i thought the files inside a deb were compiled
[05:47] <unagi_> i dont udnerstand
[05:47] <Agent_bob> he said tar.bz
[05:47] <unagi_> inside of a deb
[05:47] <Israphel> the tat.bz inside de deb
[05:47] <Agent_bob> oh in the .deb   yes.
[05:47] <unagi_> ok
[05:48] <Israphel> she's reading my mind
[05:48] <unagi_> so how do i do that without overwriting anything
[05:48] <Israphel> open dolphin as root
[05:48] <unagi_> merging?
[05:48] <Agent_bob> there is nothing to overwrite
[05:48] <unagi_> there is
[05:48] <unagi_> there is a dpkg folder inside etc
[05:48] <Israphel> and open everyfolder
[05:48] <Israphel> just to see
[05:48] <unagi_> thats gonna take forever
[05:48] <Israphel> (just to be sure :P )
[05:48] <Israphel> clic overwrite
[05:49] <Israphel> the world won't explode
[05:49] <Agent_bob> it already did.
[05:49] <Agent_bob> so who cares if it pops again...
[05:50] <Israphel> holy words
[05:50] <Israphel> so, pops2
[05:50] <Agent_bob> unagi_ you are not looking at a source deb are you ?
[05:51] <Agent_bob> tar.bz inside a .deb makes me wonder.
[05:51] <Israphel> the files inside the deb
[05:51] <Israphel> by opening the deb with ark
[05:52] <Agent_bob> Israphel have you opened dpkg*.deb with ark to see for sure ?
[05:52] <Israphel> i don't have that deb now
[05:52] <Israphel> but every deb have a similiar structure
[05:53] <Israphel> there're tar files (one or two)
[05:53] <Agent_bob> i don't have ark  but mc doesn't see any tar.bz inside the .deb unless it's a source .deb
[05:53] <Israphel> just extract it
[05:53] <Agent_bob> it sees the dir struct
[05:54] <Israphel> i'm watching all the debs i have here
[05:54] <Israphel> all are similar
[05:54] <Israphel> you have to do the work of dpkg "copy all"
[05:54] <Israphel> the same of "make install", put everything in the folders
[05:55] <unagi_> oh my god
[05:55] <unagi_> thers like 50 folders in this one
[05:55] <unagi_> how do i merge them
[05:55] <Israphel> one per one (?)
[05:55] <unagi_> i have to do it one by one?
[05:55] <Agent_bob> merge ?     just extract the whole thing to /
[05:55] <Israphel> just extract the principal folder in the tree
[05:55] <unagi_> but wont it overwrite whats there
[05:55] <Israphel> all the subfolders will follow
[05:56] <Israphel> no, you see the spalsh "overwrite" because of the folders have the same name
[05:56] <Israphel> but, you are just adding new files
[05:56] <Israphel> to the folders
[05:56] <unagi_> etc/a and b etc/c and d becomes etc/a b c and d?
[05:56] <Israphel> not replacing the folders
[05:56] <Agent_bob> there isnt anything there to overwrite   that's why you are having this breakdown
[05:56] <Israphel> e.g
[05:56] <Israphel> the folder
[05:56] <Israphel>  /bin
[05:56] <unagi_> there are to things to overwrite Agent_bob
[05:56] <Israphel> and you have to extract
[05:57] <Israphel>  /bin/file
[05:57] <Israphel> so,
[05:57] <Israphel> you see the splash
[05:57] <Israphel> and make yes
[05:57] <Israphel> file will be copy to /bin
[05:57] <Agent_bob> unagi_ well you know,   you fix it.
[05:57] <Agent_bob> i'm done.
[05:57] <Israphel>  /bin in your disk and /bin in the tar, are the same
[05:58] <unagi_> ok done
[05:58] <unagi_> what do i do with the control
[05:58] <snarkster> can anyone help me with mach64 driver?
[05:58] <Israphel> try using apt-get
[05:58] <Israphel> now
[05:58] <unagi_> apt-get insatll -f?
[05:58] <unagi_> spelled correctly?
[05:58] <unagi_> lol
[05:59] <Israphel> yes
[05:59] <Israphel> ja!
[05:59] <Israphel> ich will eure hande sehen (?)
[06:00] <snarkster> translate?
[06:00] <Israphel> i want to see your hands!
[06:01] <Israphel> (i don't speak german, i'm just mixing the few words i know)
[06:01] <snarkster> !mach64
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mach64 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <unagi_> i think its fixed im not sure
[06:02] <Israphel> try install something
[06:02] <Israphel> i dont know
[06:02] <unagi_> adept returns some interesting errors
[06:02] <Israphel> sudo apt-get install kedit
[06:02] <unagi_> whats that dist upgrade
[06:02] <Israphel> i dont know what it is
[06:02] <Israphel> i saw it too
[06:02] <unagi_> i think its working
[06:02] <Israphel> i use synaptic XD
[06:03] <unagi_> i got a better understanding of linux
[06:03] <unagi_> everything is script based
[06:03] <Israphel> jajaj
[06:03] <Israphel> we could
[06:03] <unagi_> i kinda understand that
[06:03] <unagi_> i noticed too make and make install output is perl
[06:03] <unagi_> or python
[06:03] <unagi_> it looked semi familiar with /s;' /'s4$
[06:03] <unagi_> lol
[06:03] <Israphel> nice eyes
[06:03] <unagi_> am i right?
[06:04] <Israphel> there're a lot of phyton apps to test
[06:04] <unagi_> i think its time for family guy then bed
[06:05] <Israphel> in germany
[06:05] <Israphel> now is
[06:05] <Israphel> 7.05 AM ?
[06:07] <unagi_> night
[06:07] <Israphel> night?
[06:07] <unagi_> ty 4 breaking my pc and then fixing it =)
[06:07] <Israphel> jaja
[06:07] <Israphel> it was a pleasure
[06:07] <Israphel> sorry for the problems
[06:07] <unagi_> np
[06:07] <unagi_> bye bye
[06:08] <Israphel> see you later
[06:14] <romunov> grrr, dolphin won't search files for text
[06:15] <romunov> how the hell can i find a string in the haystack, dammit
[06:16] <WhereAmI> does anyone have a better alternative to Ark?
[06:16] <WhereAmI> I am really starting to dislike it
[06:32] <ubuntu> cad for ubuntu software ?
[06:32] <doneill> romunov: you can use find
[06:33] <crafty_> ive a new dvd writer, how do I get it recognized in linux
[06:33] <doneill> crafty_: plug it in.
[06:33] <crafty_> it is plugged in
[06:33] <doneill> congrats, you're done
[06:33] <crafty_> it shows full dvds, not empty
[06:34] <crafty_> empties won't mount
[06:34] <doneill> well thats because they don't have a filesystem
[06:34] <doneill> they aren't empty, they're blank
[06:34] <doneill> empty would suggest a box to which things could go has no contents
[06:34] <doneill> whereas in this case all you have is a sheet of cardboard
[06:35] <doneill> so fire up k3b or whatever cd burning program you like to use
[06:35] <doneill> and bam it'll make the filesystem on the disc, burn the files, etc., everything you need.
[06:35] <crafty_> then when you write how do you tell k3b to write to the blank disk?  it just states there's no media to write to
[06:36] <doneill> it expects a blank disc
[06:36] <doneill> alright, when you insert a blank dvd does a dialog window pop up?
[06:36] <doneill> asking what you want to do with it?
[06:36] <crafty_> nope
[06:36] <doneill> then i'd double check that it is in fact a burner
[06:36] <crafty_> that's why I think there's something wrong with the fstab.  I know it s a burner
[06:38] <doneill> no no...
[06:38] <doneill> this is what i'm saying, fstab is a file system tab
[06:39] <crafty_> http://slexy.org/view/s20OkGMLDV
[06:39] <doneill> you can't load a blank dvd in konqueror or (i don't think dolphin)?
[06:39] <crafty_> there's my fstab
[06:39] <crafty_> brb
[06:39] <doneill> actually yeah that looks broken
[06:40] <doneill> try: /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 auto defaults 0 0
[06:40] <doneill> or
[06:40] <doneill> : /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0
[06:41] <crafty_> I'll give it a run
[06:45] <crafty_> trying new fstab /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 auto defaults 0 0
[06:46] <crafty_> trying your next combo
[06:49] <crafty_> no luck
[06:49] <crafty_> what is the web page where you can build a fstab?
[06:52] <crafty_> hello?
[07:01] <walmik> hi all, can anybody pls suggest the best way to install jre for running eclipse on a amd64 bit compaq presario laptop with kubuntu 7.10
[07:02] <ere4si> !java | walmik
[07:02] <ubotu> walmik: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[07:03] <walmik> ere4si: thank u
[07:03] <ere4si> k
[07:04] <walmik> !apache
[07:04] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:07] <Traplo> hi guys
[07:08] <studente> hi ..
[07:08] <Traplo> bella alex
[07:08] <studente> who are you??
[07:08] <studente> mongol boy
[07:08] <Traplo> your sister
[07:08] <studente> e gli altri
[07:08] <studente> entrate mongoli
[07:10] <The_ReaL_Me> ciao
[07:10] <Pino> ciao
[07:11] <ethan961> Dont make up your mind.
[07:11] <Pino> ok
[07:12] <Sciamano> Tu mama
[07:13] <Mano> hi Shammy
[07:18] <default_op> I'm not familar witht he setup let but which package type is right for Kubuntu?  AS, Deb, RPM
[07:19] <ere4si> default_op, deb is the one kubuntu uses - look in synaptic package manager first tho - it has 20000+
[07:26] <theLichKing> hi, i just installed ubuntu and i can't hear any sound.. any ideas how to fix this? according to the Sound Preferences window, i got "HDA Nvidia (Alsa mixer)" and "Conexant CX20549 (Venice) (OSS Mixer)"
[07:27] <mkquist> !sound
[07:27] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:31] <default_op> ere4si: thanks.  I'm downloading off interent site and wanted right package.  thanks.
[07:31] <twosouls82> theLichKing: also make sure that the proper device is selected in KMix (and not the Conexant (modem?))
[07:32] <ere4si> hope it works out for you default_op
[07:36] <neville> How do I set a shellscript to run after KDE boots? Not like starting a program as such from autostart, but getting it to initialise a
[07:36] <neville> Shell script I have, does it need to go into some special folder, or be linked to somewhere else, or what?
[07:38] <default_op> ere4si: actually giving it a miss.  I was going to download active perl from activestate but I got another one working
[07:38] <default_op> ere4si: thanks anyway.  It's someone I needed to learn anyway
[07:38] <ere4si> neville: you can auto start it and have as the first line    sleep 5    to have it start 5 sec after boot
[07:38] <ere4si> k default_op
[07:43] <theLichKin1> the link didn't help me solve the sound problem.. any other ideas?
[07:43] <doneill> neville: you can drop the shell script right in autostart like any other program
[07:43] <doneill> but i'm not sure i understand your question beyond that
[07:44] <neville> That was exactly what
[07:44] <neville> I was after, sorry for having no real idea as to what I was talking about though >.>
[07:44] <doneill> are you familiar with making a shell script in linux?
[07:45] <neville> Yeah, I have enough of an idea for just the basics
[07:45] <doneill> alright
[07:45] <doneill> just make sure it's flagged as Executable heh
[07:45] <neville> chmod +x /path/to/script ?
[07:45] <doneill> that should do it
[07:45] <neville> Heh, thanks =]
[07:54] <mkquist> theLichKing: did you go thru the troubleshooting part?
[07:55] <mkquist> theLichKing: usually fixes for me...  or there is another page w/maybe more fixes... this one - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[07:56] <twosouls82> for some reason, hyperlinks in KDE applications don't fire a web browser any more
[08:02] <ubuntu> i thought that kubuntu 7.10 was going to have kde4 included
[08:02] <ubuntu> with new k menu
[08:02] <ere4si> it's not stable yet from what I've read
[08:02] <ubuntu> ah
[08:18] <ubuntu> hola
[08:19] <ere4si> !hi
[08:19] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:20] <ere4si> it's quiet here
[08:21] <Ayabara> !night
[08:21] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[08:21] <Ayabara> hey, I remembered :-)
[08:22] <ere4si> !ping
[08:22] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[08:23] <jussi01> Does anyone know how tomake konquerer display website icons on bookmarks? especially those in the bookmarks toolbar?
[08:23] <Ayabara> hehe. anyone here running kubuntu gutsy with kde4? I was adviced to wait for 4.0.1 before installing kde4, and I'm curious if that release was any good :-)
[08:24] <twosouls82> wait for 4.1 :)
[08:24] <ere4si> !kde4
[08:24] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[08:24] <jussi01> Ayabara:# kubuntu-kde4 for support on that
[08:25] <jussi01> Ayabara: I have it, and I would give that advice also, unless you like fiddling and can cope with bugs..
[08:25] <Ayabara> jussi01, ah. thanks
[08:25] <Ayabara> jussi01, I "like" to fiddle, and you guys are here to help me cope with bugs, right? ;-)
[08:26] <jussi01> Ayabara: just remeber, next time you want to ask stuff about it, use #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[08:26] <Ayabara> jussi01, :-)
[08:32] <usuario> hello!!!!!
[08:34] <jussi01> !hi
[08:34] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:47] <MilhousePunkRock> Good morning everyone!
[08:53] <ScorpKing> hehe. hi guys :)
[09:00] <Kred> Hi, does someone know a tool to record webcam (/dev/video0)?
[09:18] <The_Dr> How to uninstall adept without it pulling kubuntu-desktop with it?
[09:23] <ksal> hi
[09:23] <ksal> i connected my panasonic lumix digital camera to my computer
[09:24] <ksal> but when i try to open it with dolphin, and it tries to load camera driver, it fails with error 50
[09:25] <ksal> can anybody help me?
[09:32] <bbeck> Can anyone recommend a way for me to build a KDE4 build environment?
[09:34] <Sbucatone> what can i use to do screen shot , from command line
[09:40] <mkquist> Sbucatone: check here, i think it kinda answers it - http://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-take-a-screenshot-on-ubuntu-linux
[09:41] <Sbucatone> mkquist: thank y i will
[09:41] <mkquist> Sbucatone: google is ur friend
[09:42] <ubuntu> ..
[09:55] <rage> Evening, is there an easy way to disable single click opening of files from a terminal or from editing a file? without having to use kcontrol?
[09:56] <Sbucatone> what kind of question is
[10:11] <flockofbirds> Hello. I have a quick question. Is LinuxMCE on the current Kubuntu DVD Release 7.10 or do I have to download it seperately?
[10:18] <senane> #kubuntu-fr
[10:18] <Sbucatone> #FuocoConverter
[10:19] <nuxil> + /join
[10:19] <nuxil> :p
[10:19] <Sbucatone> upz
[10:27] <kaminix> Is there any way to view a changelog of a package?
[10:28] <jussi01> flockofbirds: linuxmce is not in anyway affiliated with kubuntu afaik
[10:28] <jussi01> !mint
[10:28] <ubotu> The following are some examples of Ubuntu derived distributions that we cannot provide support for due to repository and software changes, please consult their websites for more information: gNewSense (support in #gnewsense), Linux Mint (support in #linuxmint), LinuxMCE (support in #linuxmce), Ubuntu Ultimate
[10:41] <toto> i can't umount my cdrom after i have read some videos on it. It's busy by dbus-launch and dbus-daemon processes.
[10:45] <nuxil> kaminix,
[10:45] <nuxil> kaminix, dpkg -I pak.deb changelog
[10:47] <kaminix> So I have to dload the package first nuxil?
[10:48] <nuxil> donno.. dont think so,
[10:52] <nuxil> kaminix,
[10:52] <nuxil> aptitude pakname changelog
[10:52] <nuxil> er,
[10:52] <nuxil> aptitude changlog pakname
[10:53] <kaminix> Ah, I see. Thank you :)
[10:53] <nuxil> np
[10:55] <nuxil> kaminix, but adept also has it
[10:56] <nuxil> open adept click on a pak. select details --> developer changelog
[10:56] <kaminix> I only use adept for update notifications, all packagemanagement I do with aptitude. :)
[10:56] <nuxil> ok
[10:56]  * glick nerviously installs kubuntu
[10:57] <kaminix> Go glick, you can do it!
[10:59]  * glick squeezes kaminix's hand
[11:01] <german> !JRE
[11:01] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:03] <nuxil> hey does anyone got a gf8800 with working svideo connected to tv ?
[11:05] <nuxil> hmm
[11:06] <german> !win
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <german> !windows
[11:06] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubotu equivalents
[11:06] <german> !VMware
[11:06] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:06] <nuxil> !wine > GERMAN
[11:07] <nuxil> op
[11:07] <nuxil> ops
[11:07] <nuxil> german, check out wine
[11:07] <german> i tried that before
[11:07] <german> i am not intrested in using a emulator for aplications in windows
[11:08] <rage> Evening, is there an easy way to disable single click opening of files from a terminal or from editing a file? without having to use kcontrol?
[11:08] <jpatrick> nuxil: ?
[11:08] <glick> hey how do you stop servers in ubunut/kubuntu
[11:08] <german> i saw at my unviersity that being logged into linux just by writting win in the console, the got a window with the windows
[11:08] <glick> so they dont start up at next boot
[11:08] <jpatrick> !msgthebot | german
[11:08] <ubotu> german: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[11:08] <german> !msgthebot
[11:08] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[11:09] <nuxil> jpatrick, yes
[11:09] <german> sorry then
[11:10] <nuxil> so instead of emulating a app you want to emulate the entire os :p
[11:10] <nuxil> why not use windows then :?
[11:10] <german> i use windows
[11:10] <nuxil> good for you :)
[11:10] <german> i am interested in learning linux, and therfore i need to expent time in linux, but then i need todo stuff that i only can do in windows
[11:11] <german> but i guess you are right
[11:11] <ForgeAus> german check out AndLinux.org
[11:11] <german> nothing works in this
[11:11] <ForgeAus> its a kernel emulator that runs a modded kubuntu from within windows
[11:11] <german> not my emails. not my webcam, nor my prnter
[11:11] <walmik> hi all, is it a good idea to install apache, mysql and php using tasksel?
[11:11] <ForgeAus> theres even some interop and its fairly safe
[11:11] <walmik> !tasksel
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tasksel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <ForgeAus> (no partitioning etc.. just a "hardfile" (.drv file)
[11:15] <german> I guess that is it
[11:16] <german> good bye kubuntu, maybe the day I become a computer geek i'll be back =)
[11:17] <hectorber> does anybody know how to download DeDRM and Fairkeys
[11:17] <hectorber> ?
[11:18] <hectorber> where
[11:21] <aurorita> ist hier jemand aus Ungarn?
[11:22] <nuxil> ahh finaly got my media mouse buttons working ;)
[11:23] <walmik> hi all, is there a nice PHP ide like Zend for Kubuntu
[11:24] <glick> does anyone know how i can see what servers are running on my machine?
[11:24] <aurorita> somebody help me pls i just installed kubuntu and i dont know how can i install any programs(antivirus)
[11:25] <nuxil> lol
[11:25] <walmik> !php ide
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about php ide - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <aurorita> helpppppppp
[11:26] <jpatrick> !de | aurorita
[11:26] <ubotu> aurorita: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:26] <nuxil> glick, ps aux shows all prosesses running. or ps aux | egrep "(serverA|serverB|serverC)"
[11:27] <nuxil> aurorita, are you running a mailserver
[11:27] <nuxil> if not you dont need antivirus
[11:27] <jpatrick> !virus | aurorita
[11:27] <ubotu> aurorita: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[11:27] <glick> apache starts by default when the machine starts how do i stop that ?
[11:27] <jpatrick> glick: sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
[11:28] <glick> damn
[11:28] <glick> can i see what services start automatically at start up
[11:28] <nuxil> glick, install bum "a fine tool" and deselect it. or apachectl stop or as jpatrick says
[11:29] <jpatrick> nuxil: that will remove it's rcN.d syslinks
[11:29] <nuxil> yes, he can also chmod -x tho
[11:30] <stdin> System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services is a nice GUI to it
[11:30] <nuxil> glick, sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/apache2
[11:31] <glick> thanks stdin
[11:33] <happy__> Hi, I'm having problems getting two 17" lcds working, using proprietary nVidia drivers
[11:35] <happy__> both screens are the same model, i ran " sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg " but it didn't seem to do anything
[11:36] <happy__> well more specifically it ran as usual but at the end of it, and after a reboot it still didn't work
[11:37] <stdin> happy__: have a look at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[11:38] <happy__> Thanks ^^ , I'll give that a go
[11:46] <glick> hey does anyone have a sigmatel sound card?
[11:48] <jussio1> glick: used to in my laptop, whats the issue?
[11:49] <glick> jussio1, how did you get it working?
[11:50] <jussio1> glick: it worked out of the box for me
[11:50] <jussio1> glick: have you checked through !sound ?
[11:50] <glick> hmm maybe i need to restart
[11:54] <asktoby> Konqueror is opening too many simultaneous connections to my ftp server - can I limit the number of simultaneous connections?
[11:55] <asktoby> Or tell it to use passive mode?
[11:55] <glick> hmm it seems like after i installed the nvidia drives the text is too big
[11:57] <glick> anyone notice that?
[11:57] <glick> seems like the text got bigger
[11:59] <glick> ok was the dpi
[12:02] <prince_jammys> glick so did you install kde?
[12:02] <glick> yea prince_jammys
[12:02] <prince_jammys> glick: how do you like it?
[12:03] <prince_jammys> glick: meaning::: do you like it?
[12:03] <glick> its cool prince_jammys the upgrade fixed alot of the problems
[12:03] <glick> but i still have no sound or wireless
[12:03] <prince_jammys> glick: ah
[12:04] <prince_jammys> glick: i'm no good at hardware
[12:05] <prince_jammys> glick: was gonna suggest stuff for you to get (unrelated to your hardware problem)
[12:05] <glick> whats that prince_jammys
[12:05] <prince_jammys> glick: to use konqueror instead of the now default dolphin::: (konq is worth checking out)
[12:06] <prince_jammys> !dolphin | glick
[12:06] <ubotu> glick: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[12:06] <prince_jammys> glick: great terminal emulator (highly recommend) :: yakuake
[12:06] <rufus> i've reinstalled kubuntu and it set up my partitions for me. when I boot it, all that I get is a shell
[12:07] <rufus> and the name of it is different than I told kubuntu to use
[12:20] <Jack111> hi
[12:20] <jpatrick> !hi | Jack111
[12:20] <Jack111> when i start kontact, i get the error message:
[12:21] <Jack111> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:klauncher said: Unknown protocol ''.
[12:21] <Jack111> howeve all works fine i just hve to close two windows
[12:23] <glick> damn adept is soo limited
[12:23] <ForgeAus> glick what do you mean?
[12:23] <glick> ForgeAus: it doesnt find the system level packages like linux kernel and uch
[12:24] <ScorpKing> hi guys. new usplash theme for kde+linux :D - http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=75385
[12:25] <glick> im trying to install linux-backports-modules-generic
[12:25] <ForgeAus> check your repos
[12:25] <glick> ForgeAus: i have them all checked
[12:25] <ForgeAus> then in that case I don't know if I can help you
[12:26] <ForgeAus> I thought the kernel modules were all in there
[12:26] <ForgeAus> in any case its not an adept issue
[12:26] <ForgeAus> explicitly anyhow
[12:26] <glick> then what could it be?
[12:26]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[12:26] <ScorpKing> linux-backports-modules-generic = Section: devel
[12:27] <ForgeAus> its something to do with your sources.list
[12:27] <ForgeAus> and or the database its recieveing
[12:27] <ForgeAus> either that or the repo maintainers haven't put that particular package in the backport repos?
[12:28] <glick> i cant even find linux kernel packages
[12:28] <ScorpKing> aptitude search - "p   linux-backports-modules-generic - Backported drivers for generic kernel image"
[12:28] <ForgeAus> well I havn't noticed them until I had to upgrade them but I can assure you that adept puts them in mine
[12:28] <glick> oh im using the adept installer
[12:28] <rufus> what can I put in grub config to have a splash image?
[12:29] <rufus> !compiz < rufus
[12:29] <rufus> !compiz
[12:29] <ScorpKing> rufus: install startupmanager and run it with sudo ;)
[12:29] <rufus> setupmanager?
[12:29] <ubuntu> hi all
[12:30] <ubuntu> i've a problemwho can help me
[12:30] <rufus> we can try
[12:30] <ScorpKing> rufus: yep. it's the easiest way
[12:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compiz < rufus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:30] <rufus> setupmanager: package not found
[12:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:30] <ForgeAus> !compiz-fusion
[12:30] <ForgeAus> oops
[12:31] <rufus> compiz-fusion is just a load of plugins for compiz
[12:31] <ubuntu> ForgeAus
[12:31] <ubuntu> ForgeAus
[12:31] <ubuntu> hi
[12:31] <ForgeAus> hey ubuntu
[12:31] <rufus> ubuntu, whats the problem
[12:31] <ubuntu> can you help me
[12:31] <rufus> probably
[12:31] <ubuntu> ive installed the kubuntu
[12:31] <ForgeAus> hehe me? not likely I havn't had compiz running
[12:31] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[12:31] <ubuntu> but when i restart my pc
[12:31] <ScorpKing> rufus: "i   startupmanager                          - Grub and Splash screen configuration" Section: utils
[12:31] <ubuntu> i've an error
[12:31] <ForgeAus> but theres always the ppl in #compiz-fusion if you can't get help here
[12:31] <ubuntu> it's
[12:32] <rufus> ScorpKing, what?
[12:32] <ubuntu> i've an error
[12:32] <ForgeAus> ubuntu what error?
[12:32] <ScorpKing> rufus: startupmanager is in one of the repos
[12:32] <ForgeAus> can you paste it (or use pastebin if 3+ lines of text)
[12:32] <ubuntu> i've an error ForgeAus
[12:33] <prince_jammys> heh
[12:33] <MrJigsaw> When i try to CUT files from desktop to /media/sda1 examplewise..  i get this: http://peecee.dk/upload/view/97944/full .. how do i make that stop ?
[12:33] <rufus> ubuntu, is the error in gub or kubuntu?
[12:33] <prince_jammys> 20 questions
[12:33] <ubuntu> in grub rufus
[12:33] <ScorpKing> !ask | ubuntu
[12:33] <ForgeAus> !grub
[12:33] <rufus> use sudo cp
[12:33] <prince_jammys> let's see if we can guess the error
[12:33] <ForgeAus> lol prince :)
[12:33] <rufus> thats past
[12:33] <ubotu> ubuntu: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[12:33] <rufus> copy*
[12:33] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:34] <rufus> why is that bot soo slow today
[12:34] <ForgeAus> I dunno I feel lagged
[12:34] <rufus> #ubuntu is hoggint the bandwith
[12:34] <stdin> rufus: because it's just come back online and everyone is using a lot of ! commands
[12:34] <ForgeAus> erm sorry stdin I didn't know
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> its seeing them all from the last few hrs? :)
[12:36] <ForgeAus> whats vstafs?
[12:41] <rufus> is there a nice dock for KDE? will AWN work?
[12:42] <prince_jammys> rufus: check out KoolDock
[12:42] <ForgeAus> dunno about awn but try cairodock
[12:42] <blekos> could you tell me the channel for kde4?
[12:42] <ForgeAus> kooldock is ok I've had that
[12:42] <stdin> blekos: see the topic
[12:42] <ForgeAus> cairo is from berlios I think
[12:43] <ForgeAus> havn't tried it but seems the best I've seen around
[12:43] <prince_jammys> blekos: #kubuntu-kde4
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> i find all the os-x wanna-be docks lacking.. of course i find the os-x dock lacking.
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:44] <ForgeAus> hehe DrWillis, thats informative, question is what do you find NOT lacking?
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> The Bills...
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> I am not lacking in Bills i get in the mail.
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> :P
[12:45] <ForgeAus> lets restrict the domain to dock-bars ok?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> I find the normal kde panel, very useable. - The combination of  a launcher+ task manager.. just seems to muddy things.
[12:45] <ForgeAus> I can agree there
[12:45] <prince_jammys> me 2
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Too many little 'things' to indicate this or that.. it seems wth a lot of these docks.
[12:46] <prince_jammys> down with the dock
[12:46] <MrJigsaw> When i try to CUT files from desktop to /media/sda1 examplewise..  i get this: http://peecee.dk/upload/view/97944/full .. how do i make that stop ?
[12:46] <prince_jammys> always springs up when i don't want it to
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> does the icons sort of zooming up - really make it easier for me to lauch them? :) heh and so on.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Of course with widescreen monitors. I find a panel on the side with icons - to be a bit more convient then one way across the bottom.
[12:47] <ForgeAus> MrJigsaw looks like a permissions problem are you root?
[12:47] <MrJigsaw> im not logged in as root, no.
[12:47] <ForgeAus> then thats likely why
[12:47] <MrJigsaw> Cant i give my user the rights to cut files ? ;/
[12:48] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you don't have right to write
[12:48] <ForgeAus> the /mnt/ branch of the file system isn't under /home/<username>
[12:48] <MrJigsaw> rights to write to harddrive ?
[12:48] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: you are pasting a file into /media/sda1 and get a permissions error, correct?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> files/dirs have their own rights also.  depemnding on the filesystem
[12:49] <ForgeAus> a user can only work within their /home/<username> branch without requiring permission (aside from executing files and some other minor things))
[12:49] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: or moving a file from /media/sda1 and get a permissions error
[12:50] <siofwolves> my display is stuck at 640 x 480 and thats the only mode available in 'Monitor & Display System Settings'. someone helped me fix it last week, but i don't have the logs. any idea's?
[12:50] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: my guess is that then your user doesn't have the rights to mess with the contents of /media/sda1
[12:50] <ForgeAus> siofwolves which video card have you got?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> is sda1 a windows disk? or linux filesystem?
[12:50] <siofwolves> ForgeAus, ati radeon 9800
[12:50] <ForgeAus> !ati
[12:50] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <siofwolves> ForgeAus, thanks. but someone gave me a command sudo -- - -  -- whatever and the list of display modes reappeared.
[12:52] <ForgeAus> hehe sudo just means run as root (superuser do)
[12:52] <siofwolves> i'm logging now btw ;)
[12:52] <siofwolves> yeah
[12:52] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: how about the output of -->     ls -l  /media    <-- the line with sda1
[12:53] <ForgeAus> /media? prince?
[12:53] <prince_jammys> ForgeAus: isnt that the name of his dir?
[12:53] <happy> finally got Xinerama working
[12:54] <ForgeAus> um I think they go to /mnt
[12:54] <ForgeAus> (not sure about that)
[12:54] <prince_jammys> ForgeAus: he has it mounted on /media/sda1
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> ive not noticed ubuntu/kubuntu putting stuff in mnt
[12:55] <MrJigsaw> /MEDIA/Sda1
[12:55] <ForgeAus> ok sorry my bad then
[12:55] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: yeah so paste that line here
[12:55] <ForgeAus> what filesystem is sda1?
[12:55] <MrJigsaw> ntfs
[12:55] <ForgeAus> ahh try unmounting it
[12:55] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: we will see who owns it, and what the permissions are
[12:56] <ForgeAus> (ie sudo umount /dev/sda1)
[12:56] <ForgeAus> then remount it using ntfsmount
[12:56] <ForgeAus> (or another fusemount like ntfs-3g)
[12:56] <MrJigsaw> drwxrwx--- 1 root     plugdev    4096 2008-02-16 13:55 sda1
[12:56] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: there you have it, owned by root
[12:56] <ForgeAus> you don't have write access to an NTFS paritition
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> i always just install/run the ntfs-config tool
[12:57] <ForgeAus> DrWillis that sounds like a shortcut that I was unaware of :)
[12:57] <prince_jammys> he has it set up in fstab
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  it will modify the fstab thats using ntfs, to be using ntfs-3g and set the proper options to allow users to access them
[12:57] <prince_jammys> should be able to write, but not as his user ... set up in fstab with ntfs-3g
[12:58] <prince_jammys> prince_jammys: i already did this with him a couple of days ago
[12:58] <prince_jammys> ooops
[12:58] <prince_jammys> talkin to myself
[12:58] <MrJigsaw> :D
[12:59] <aiman> hi
[12:59] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: the output of -->    grep '/media/sda1'  /etc/fstab
[12:59] <MrJigsaw> I think i can write the files to the harddrive.. but not just cut them away
[12:59] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/sda2  /media/sda2 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> is what i am using.
[12:59] <ForgeAus> btw SKing if your still here that spash screen was nice :)
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> MrJigsaw,  that would be very very.. odd...
[12:59] <MrJigsaw> UUID=09B5974762077941 /media/sda1 ntfs defaults,umask=007,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,nouser 0 1
[12:59] <ForgeAus> I agree Dr Willis
[12:59] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: did you change it??
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> what are we tryign to do wih this hard drive anyway? Just copy some files to it?
[13:00] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: uid=0 is root
[13:00] <MrJigsaw> Nope prince_jammys..
[13:00] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: the output of --> echo $UID
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> and its using ntfs. not ntfs-3g like mine. :)
[13:00] <ForgeAus> MrJigsaw in any case if you use kdesu to run dolphin it should allow you to
[13:00] <ForgeAus> DrWillis it does state rw there...
[13:01] <MrJigsaw> kdesu ?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> yea - i did NOT think ntfs allowed rw however.
[13:01] <ForgeAus> yes
[13:01] <ForgeAus> kde superuser
[13:01] <MrJigsaw> I just right click -> cut -> Paste at harddrive :)
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> but thats from ages ago. :) it may allow it now a days
[13:01] <ForgeAus> similar to cli sudo command
[13:01] <ForgeAus> but for gui programs
[13:01] <ForgeAus> so run konsole and type in kdesu dolphin
[13:01] <ForgeAus> and it should let you copy
[13:01] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: should uid be 1000 at sda1 ?
[13:01] <ForgeAus> cut or whatever
[13:01] <MrJigsaw> prince_jammys: it was sdb1 we sat up yesterday :-)
[13:02] <ForgeAus> because it gives you root perimissions
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> uid of 1000 shouldlet the first user access the drive.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> You proberly dont want the 'nouser' option either.
[13:02] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: should also be ntfs-3g
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> I dont see much gain from using ntfs, when ntfs-3g works so well
[13:02] <ForgeAus> (also note: if your using kde4 I think its kdesudo)
[13:02] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: type        kdesudo kate
[13:03] <MrJigsaw> UUID=09B5974762077941 /media/sda1 ntfs defaults,umask=007,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,nouser 0 1 - What should i change ?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis>  /dev/sda1  /media/sda1  ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1
[13:03] <MrJigsaw> Im openning it in krusader prince_jammys.
[13:03] <MrJigsaw> as Root
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> :) iw what i would do with that line.
[13:03] <ForgeAus> nice :) I like krusader :)
[13:03] <vlt> Hello. Since the recent big update for kde programs (example line from /var/log/aptitude: [UPGRADE] konqueror-nsplugins 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.3 -> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.4)
[13:03] <ForgeAus> even better
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> well you can keep the uuid bit if you want.
[13:03] <vlt> ... nspluginviewer crashes everytime.
[13:03] <vlt> Any known solution?
[13:03] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: DO NOT change the line --- stick a # at the beginning
[13:04] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: in case you want it back
[13:04] <MrJigsaw> Okay..
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> comment the line, then create a new line aftwerwards :) is what we are saying.
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> # old fstab line here
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> new fstab line here
[13:05] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: try-->UUID=09B5974762077941 /media/sda1 ntfs umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000  0   0
[13:05] <prince_jammys> ntfs-3g excuse me
[13:05] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: try-->UUID=09B5974762077941 /media/sda1 ntfs-3g umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000  0   0
[13:07] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: make sure there is a blank line at the end of the file
[13:08] <MrJigsaw> Should i restart when i wrote that in prince_jammys?
[13:08] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: then --> sudo umount /media/disk   and then --> sudo mount /media/disk
[13:08] <jarule2> how do i do the same thing others doing whom i don't even like and they are nothing doing the same thing as i am doing by nature like color of skin? or do i have to do everything the other person does?
[13:08] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: try it without restarting
[13:09] <siofwolves> ForgeAus, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg was what i needed.
[13:09] <jussi01> jarule2: ?
[13:09] <ForgeAus> siof do you have ati drivers installed?
[13:09] <orbitize> When I start my computer, I have to log in (no gui), then run sudo kdm to get to the normal login-screen. How can I fix this?
[13:09] <ForgeAus> you may still need the binary driver
[13:10] <ForgeAus> (especially if you want OGL/flxgr/XGL)
[13:10] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: once mounted, do --> cd /media/disk
[13:10] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: and then type--> touch crap
[13:10] <ForgeAus> otherwise you're probably only working on VESA drivers for your X-server anyway (don't quote me on that I don't know for sure)
[13:11] <siofwolves> ForgeAus, not sure. after switching on today my display was stuck at 680 x 460. also i must mention my keyboard setup is not correct. maybe related?
[13:11]  * ForgeAus shrugs it could be if your xorg.conf was modifed or something like that
[13:11] <siofwolves> yup
[13:12] <ForgeAus> the file resides as /etc/X11/xorg.conf from memory
[13:16] <Dimitree> hello anyone running Autodesk Maya on KDE ? i get realy slow framerates and there are wierd vertical stripes on the top fasce of a cube when its in shade mode and the stripes are not relevent to the cube shape they display the same and don't change when i rotate the view. They appear when i select a face on the cube ?
[13:16] <Dimitree> hewp  :)
[13:16] <prince_jammys> siofwolves: if you are up for it, you can try to recover it from an old backup -- these files are in /etc/X11 in the form of xorg.conf.blah or xorg.conf.1, etc
[13:16] <prince_jammys> siofwolves: backup your stuff first
[13:17] <prince_jammys> MrJigsaw: so what happened?
[13:20] <urbanphoenix> hello
[13:20] <urbanphoenix> i am new
[13:20] <jpatrick> !hi | urbanphoenix
[13:20] <ubotu> urbanphoenix: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[13:20] <urbanphoenix> welcome
[13:22] <urbanphoenix> before i use a windows program
[13:22] <urbanphoenix> but now
[13:22] <urbanphoenix> i use the best program
[13:22] <urbanphoenix> ubuntu
[13:22] <urbanphoenix> it's very amazing
[13:22] <rufus> where can I get some nice grub menus?
[13:23] <rufus> like the splash backgrounds
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas disable those eyesores
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> give me nice black  with blue text.
[13:24] <Dimitree> hello anyone running Autodesk Maya on KDE ? i get realy slow framerates and there are wierd vertical stripes on the top fasce of a cube when its in shade mode and the stripes are not relevent to the cube shape they display the same and don't change when i rotate the view. They appear when i select a face on the cube ?
[13:28] <ForgeAus> ow do I mount an .iso? : mount /home/ubuntu/supergrubdisk_0.9677.iso /mnt/supergrub -o loop ??? (gives invalid argument)
[13:28] <ForgeAus> the exact error is: ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> !iso
[13:28] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> lets see..
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> well you may need a sudo. and that dir needs to exizt
[13:29] <ForgeAus> yeah it does afaik I did an mkdir first
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> and your order of options may be wrong.. :)
[13:29] <ForgeAus> and I was already sudo (ie sudo -i)
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> i think the -o loop has to be befor the other stuff
[13:30] <ForgeAus> hmm now I have it saying mount: can't find /mnt/supergrub in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[13:30] <ForgeAus> its not meant to be in there is it?
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> whats the exact line you are using?
[13:30] <ForgeAus> if so I don't want it in there
[13:30] <ForgeAus> mount -o /home/ubuntu/supergrubdisk_0.9677.iso /mnt/supergrub
[13:31] <ForgeAus> oops forgot the loop
[13:31] <ForgeAus> just noticed
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> i was about to say.. you did another typo most likely
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:31] <ForgeAus> back to same error as before
[13:31] <rufus> Dr_Willis, i try to stay toward GUI so my parents do complain when they cant get on the computer
[13:31] <rufus> dont*
[13:31] <ForgeAus> ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. is the supergrub disk a real .iso?
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> file whatever.iso
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> and see
[13:32] <ForgeAus> how do I tell?
[13:32] <ForgeAus> I d/ld it have no reason to doubt it at this point
[13:32] <ForgeAus> it was gz'd tho
[13:33] <jarule2> some people have enjoyed their life for 20 years and didn't't suffer but i suffered for past 20 years and in bad shape have high cholesterol
[13:33] <ForgeAus> (ie I ungz'd it to get the .iso file)
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> try grabbing a litle .iso and try with a different one.
[13:33] <ForgeAus> it is a small one only 3mb!
[13:34] <ForgeAus> (and thats ungzipped)
[13:34] <ForgeAus> I also have the same image as a .exe win self-extract but can't use it here on liveCD
[13:34] <ForgeAus> I'll try a diff copy
[13:34] <ForgeAus> brb
[13:36] <ForgeAus> hmm it decompressed to the right size around 3-4 meg
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> got a url to the file?
[13:36] <ForgeAus> http://forjamari.linex.org/frs/?group_id=61&release_id=499
[13:37] <ForgeAus> I don't know what version the self-extract one I have is, I got it from somewhere else
[13:37] <ForgeAus> hmmm still bad
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> sudo  mount -o loop file.iso mnt
[13:38] <ForgeAus> actually its older
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> worked here.
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> I renamed it to file.iso :)
[13:38] <ForgeAus> hmmm why not here?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> and mnt was made in the current dir
[13:39] <ForgeAus> still same error here :(
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> i downloaded the http://forjamari.linex.org/frs/download.php/832/supergrubdisk_0.9677.iso
[13:39] <ForgeAus> ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument
[13:39] <vigge_sWe> how can I make dolphin show hidden dot files like .htaccess?
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> Not a compressed one.
[13:39] <ForgeAus> yeah I got that one too
[13:39] <ForgeAus> I got them all now
[13:39] <ForgeAus> renamed the .iso to file.iso and still can't mount it :(
[13:39] <ForgeAus> something wrong somewhere
[13:39] <now3d> Hi there. I'm struggling to get Skype Mic input to work on my Dell Inspiron 1300. Headphones work ok, any ideas?
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  i recall a mention of some loop issue/but in the older LTS release/kernel.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> but dont know the details.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> YOu may want to check out the fuseiso tools for the FUSE stuff.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> well good luck. Bed time for me.
[13:41] <ForgeAus> vigge good question
[13:41] <ForgeAus> I don't have dolphin to check it out
[13:42] <ForgeAus> whats it got in the view menu (if it even has one)
[13:42] <now3d> can anyone tell me how to make Konqueror the default again instead of Dolpin?
[13:43] <ForgeAus> now3d you change your file associations
[13:44] <now3d> ForgeAus: I tried that.. but couldn't get it rigth.. could you direct me to some directions on it please?
[13:45] <now3d> ForgeAus: ok, i think i got it working now..
[13:45] <now3d> ForgeAus: let's hope dolphin doesnt last..
[13:45] <Dimitree> please help this is what happends when i select a face on a cube http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=180h8k&s=3
[13:46] <Dimitree> what is KDE doing in Maya ???
[13:46] <doobeh> How can I possibly find out what process is constantly thrashing my hard disk?
[13:46] <doobeh> It's driving me insane
[13:46] <now3d> doobeh: "top" in a shell?
[13:46] <doobeh> Nothing seems to be using anything notable on the CPU
[13:47] <now3d> doobeh: and if you press Shift+M  how is the memroy?
[13:47] <now3d> doobeh: cos the mem might be full.. so it uses the swap partition etc
[13:47] <jpatrick> !ot | Dimitree
[13:47] <ubotu> Dimitree: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[13:48] <doobeh> now3d: thanks, I'll start killing off the big ones, firefox is sitting on 200 and konquereor is 130meg :)
[13:49] <walmik> hi all, can anybody pls help me with a wireless router....
[13:49] <now3d> doobeh: OpenOffice is a massive hog usually
[13:49] <walmik> i m on a amd64 compaq running kubuntu 7.10
[13:50] <Distro^Junkie> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). <--- keep getting this in adept
[13:50] <now3d> walmik: what's your question?
[13:51] <walmik>  i have a accounting software how to install
[13:52] <walmik> now3d: just want to know if i need permission from the ISP to use router\
[13:53] <Distro^Junkie> nm figured it out
[13:55] <now3d> walkik: why would you need permission? presumably they alrady gave you the wifi logon for it
[14:01] <jarule2> what would happen if you get hit your head with someone else chin hard or something else like a knife or a something sharp?
[14:01] <tycale_> Hi, I try to install a htaccess on my server : http://tycale.is-a-geek.org/music/
[14:02] <tycale_> But it doesn't work
[14:02] <jussi01> jarule2: this isnt a channel for such discussion. please go elsewhere.
[14:02] <tycale_> http://pastebin.com/d2dcc4845
[14:03] <tycale_> My .htaccess
[14:05] <firecrotch> tycale_:  You have a typo on the first line: it should be "Access" not "Acces"
[14:05] <Dimitree> jpatrick: this is kubunto question i'm asking : /
[14:06] <Dimitree> i use Gnome and KDE and i have no problems with maya under gnome
[14:06] <Dimitree> these "effects" apear under KDE only
[14:06] <firecrotch> tycale_: wait, I'm reading that wrong. what's with the "è"
[14:06] <tycale_> it's : AuthName Access root
[14:06] <tycale_> now
[14:06] <tycale_> same error
[14:07] <firecrotch> tycale_:  It's doing absolutely nothing?
[14:07] <tycale_> look :  http://tycale.is-a-geek.org/music/
[14:07] <tycale_> It's an error
[14:07] <Dimitree> jpatrick: btw the spacing of these lines is exact size as the shading effect i have for the names in mirc ( one nick is white the next is blue and so on ) and in Dolphin. any idea where that effect resides so i can try turning it off ?
[14:07] <jarule2> my mother didn't give me anything not even knowledge which she had and i begged her for 17 years and she instead fucked my mind up
[14:08] <firecrotch> tycale_:  Have you looked at the log file to see what it says?
[14:08] <tycale_> outch
[14:09] <scott25> can someone help me with my screen, i restarted my computer and for some reason the screen is to big for the monitor and it scrolls when i move the mouse to the edge
[14:09] <tycale_> firecrotch: http://pastebin.com/d6c7629b2
[14:09] <tycale_> outch
[14:09] <Distro^Junkie> is it wise to use Automatix ?
[14:09] <prince_jammys> Distro^Junkie: no
[14:09] <firecrotch> Distro^Junkie: NO!
[14:09] <Distro^Junkie> ok just asking
[14:10] <prince_jammys> !automatix | Distro^Junkie
[14:10] <Distro^Junkie> thanx for the info though
[14:10] <ubotu> Distro^Junkie: automatix is not recommended, supported or needed. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[14:10] <firecrotch> tycale_:  You need quotes around "Access root" after AuthName
[14:10] <tycale_> it'w works :D
[14:10] <tycale_> ok, thanks you
[14:11] <scott25> can anyone help me with my screen problem?
[14:13] <arcticpenguin380> is it possilbe i might run out of space with 9GB as the /
[14:13] <firecrotch> tycale_:  You're welcome :)
[14:16] <WaltzingAlong> arcticpenguin380: always possible
[14:16] <arcticpenguin380> i have all my programs install and still have 3.2Gbs left
[14:16] <scott25> can someone help me with my screen, i restarted my computer and for some reason the screen is to big for the monitor and it scrolls when i move the mouse to the edge
[14:17] <arcticpenguin380> with vista all that 9GBs would have been used infact 20Gbs would be gone because of vista
[14:18] <twosouls82> scott25: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[14:20] <TuXman> anyone here interested in helping another developer and I make a Debian-based KDE OS called AirOS?
[14:25] <TuXman> you can contact me at ezra.m.brooks@gmail.com and the other developer at bitman101@gmail.com
[14:25] <TuXman> and also if you're interested please join the chat #AirOS
[14:27] <stdin> TuXman: please take the spam elsewhere
[14:27] <TuXman> I wasn't spamming..
[14:35] <sonic_> since yesterday I am unable to burn cds or dvds in k3b.
[14:35] <sonic_> it just hangs on write and errors out after 3 min
[14:36] <sonic_> now my cd/dvd player is locked and flashing and I cant eject it unless I restart the computer
[14:48] <sled> hello
[14:48] <tekteen> hi
[14:48] <tekteen> !hi | sled
[14:48] <ubotu> sled: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[14:49] <sled> I have a problem with my dual-head setup, I have radeon mobility X1300 card, and the dualscreen works fine on the first screen but if I move my mouse cursor on the second one the cursor becomes a big ugly square
[14:49] <sled> how can I fix that? I googled for it and many people experienced the same problem but it seems that nobody fixed it :/
[14:49] <sled> if I use SWCursor On it works fine, but the cursor leaves artifacts on scrolling etc.
[14:49] <sled> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17771&d=1161176206
[14:49] <sled> it looks like this ;)
[14:49] <Artimus> This is concerning the KDE control panel app "System Services".  It works well, but it's incredibly unresponsive; it lags.  Has anyone else had a problem with this?
[14:52] <tekteen> Artimus: I have found it lags to
[14:53] <Artimus> tekteen: Thanks, I'll go check for bug reports...
[14:53] <tekteen> Artimus: it is not a "bug"
[14:53] <tekteen> it is how it is
[14:54] <tekteen> Artimus: I do not think it is that bad
[14:54] <Artimus> tekteen: It's most certainly a bug.  If it's loading something, it could show a "please wait" dialog.
[14:54] <tekteen> true
[14:55] <tekteen> I do not use X much
[14:55] <Artimus> I might have to take a look at the code...  However, I'm looking at a KDE frontend for ufw right now...
[14:55] <tekteen> ok
[14:56] <Artimus> Messed with ufw yet?
[14:56] <tekteen> ufw?
[14:56] <Artimus> It's in Hardy
[14:56] <Artimus> It's an iptables frontend.
[14:56] <Dimitree> ou keiz where i can get/ask for help about these erros when trying to lounch Maya http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56216/
[14:56] <tekteen> ok
[14:56] <tekteen> language?
[14:57] <tekteen> Dimitree: what language do you speak?
[14:57] <Artimus> tekteen: python
[14:57] <Dimitree> english o-o
[14:57] <tekteen> sorry
[14:57] <Artimus> tekteen: "ou keiz" is an exaggerated form of "ok"
[14:57] <tekteen> ok
[14:57] <jpatrick> !lol | Dimitree
[14:57] <ubotu> Dimitree: Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[14:57] <tekteen> sorry
[14:58] <wily_> hi all
[14:58] <tekteen> hi
[14:58] <wily_> i've a big problem with konqueror
[14:58] <Dimitree> i think jpatrick wants to ban me :)
[14:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks : )
[14:58] <tekteen> hi
[14:59] <wily_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56217/
[14:59] <wily_> this is my problem with konqueror flas
[14:59] <wily_> this is my problem with konqueror flasflash*
[14:59] <Artimus> I'm looking for some examples of *good* but simple GUI firewalls.  I'm looking for ideas for a GUI mockup.
[14:59] <Dimitree> o well :) maby ill just go back to windows and stop dealing with such treatment :)
[14:59] <tekteen> wily_: konqueror + flash = bad
[15:00] <Artimus> Where'd the line in the topic go?
[15:00] <tekteen> wily_: I have not seen it working in a long time
[15:00] <Edulix> Artimus: have looked at windows firewalls? :P
[15:00] <BluesKaj> !flash | wily_
[15:00] <ubotu> wily_: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[15:00] <Artimus> Edulix: That's horrible.
[15:00] <wily_> thanx
[15:01] <Edulix> Artimus: I mean, there are a lot of firwalls for windows hehe I'm sure you can copy one or two ideas from a bunch of horrible apps
[15:01] <tekteen> there is only one good firewall
[15:01] <llutz> Artimus: so called "hostbased firewalls" are pointless, so why wasting time with gui etc.?
[15:01] <tekteen> iptables
[15:01] <Artimus> Edulix: ZoneAlarm or anything like it is the completely wrong direction.
[15:01] <jpatrick> Artimus: I thought the fix was upload
[15:01] <jpatrick> !flashissue
[15:01] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If the update fails to install Flash, try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[15:02] <tekteen> WOW
[15:02] <tekteen> flash works!
[15:02] <Artimus> jpatrick: I'll try it, but I'm not hopeful...
[15:02] <tekteen> jpatrick: thanks
[15:02] <Artimus> tekteen: You just jynxed it
[15:02] <tekteen> sorry :-D
[15:02] <jpatrick> Artimus: feel free to add Summer of code ideas tho
[15:03] <Artimus> llutz: Well, Ubuntu thought it was worthwhile to create ufw for hardy (iptables frontend).
[15:03] <tekteen> That does not mean it is a good idea
[15:03] <llutz> Artimus: a lot of guys make that mistake :)
[15:04] <tekteen> firewall is a buzz word
[15:04] <Artimus> llutz: My box got hacked one time (my fault) and turned into a shoutcast server.  Default Deny is a good policy, imo.
[15:04] <llutz> building iptables-rulesets needs a lot of knowledge, not GUIs
[15:04] <tekteen> Ubuntu has to have an "easy to use" one
[15:04] <Artimus> Yes, but look at what 95% of the people use it for.
[15:05] <Artimus> NAT, ACCEPTED,RELATED -j ACCEPT, default block everything else, open up a port or two
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: it's security by obscurity, because they don't know what that piece of software does
[15:05] <tekteen> llutz: I agree. gui's make problems
[15:05] <Artimus> llutz: do you disagree with default deny?
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: they even cannot read/understand the logs
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: yes
[15:05] <llutz> Artimus: my preferred way: configure services right, so no deny is needed
[15:06] <tekteen> Artimus: it is not needed on a desktop
[15:06]  * tekteen is a paranoid security geek
[15:06] <llutz> "to stop all services"
[15:06] <tekteen> I have one. but that was because I wanted to learn iptables
[15:06] <llutz> if possible
[15:07] <Artimus> And flash is still dead...  Darn
[15:08] <twosouls82> and when flash isn't dead it eats your cpu
[15:08] <Artimus> No, wait
[15:08] <Artimus> "Load Plugins On Demand" is dead
[15:08] <Artimus> If that's on, Flash applets will be a gray box
[15:08] <Artimus> I saw a bug about that somewhere...
[15:08] <tekteen> use lynx and you will not have a flash issue
[15:09] <Artimus> tekteen: Not helpful.
[15:09] <Artimus> (and I like elinks better...)
[15:09] <llutz> lynx bah, need more comfort, elinks
[15:09] <tekteen> sorry
[15:09] <tekteen> true
[15:09] <Artimus> I could just as easily use Konqueror with flash disabled
[15:09] <tekteen> but that is like me saying htop over top
[15:10] <tekteen> no one knows what it is
[15:10] <tekteen> more people know lynx
[15:10] <Artimus> Someone want to add that to the topic?  Load Plugins on Demand will break flash.  I'm not sure if that option is turned on by default
[15:10] <llutz> and ip instead of ifconfig/route etc.pp., things changes
[15:10] <tekteen> really?
[15:11] <tekteen> I need to look at that
[15:11] <tekteen> ipchains rules
[15:11] <llutz> in 2.6?
[15:11] <tekteen> joke :-D
[15:11] <tekteen> things change
[15:11] <Artimus> "Settings -> Konqueror -> Load Plugins On Demand Only" should be unchecked for now...  Darn.
[15:14] <CJari> hey
[15:15] <CJari> I'm running the kubuntu live CD inorder to use th qtparted but the program says my HD is busy, should it be unmounted or something?
[15:15] <tekteen> CJari: use the gparted live cd
[15:15] <tekteen> it is much better
[15:18] <Dimitree> !fag jpatrick
[15:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fag jpatrick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:18] <Dimitree> too bad :)
[15:18] <fena> dimitre
[15:18] <jpatrick> !coc > Dimitree
[15:18] <vlt> Hello. Since the recent big update for kde programs (example line from /var/log/aptitude: [UPGRADE] konqueror-nsplugins 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.3 -> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.4) nspluginviewer crashes every time. Any known solution?
[15:18] <CJari> tekteen : ok thanks but for now, this is the only CD i have
[15:19] <tekteen> CJari: is the drive mounted?
[15:19] <CJari> tekteen well umount says its not according to mtab
[15:19] <tekteen> pastebin the output of mount in the konsole
[15:19] <CJari> tekteen sorry I cannot because its on other PC
[15:19] <tekteen> ok
[15:20] <tekteen> try restarting the pc
[15:20] <ignoramus> hi all, I've got a stupid question: When I compile a program from sources, do I need to keep the source folder once the program's been installed, or can i delete it?
[15:20] <tekteen> then see if you have the some prob
[15:20] <tekteen> delete it
[15:20] <ignoramus> not needed at all?
[15:20] <tekteen> ignoramus: nope
[15:21] <ignoramus> thanks. easy enough :)
[15:21] <CJari> tekteen : ok thanks, I'll try that next
[15:24] <tdn> How do I list files inside an ISO cd image?
[15:24] <selckin> mount it?
[15:24] <_Angelus_> guys
[15:24] <_Angelus_> i installed ia32-java
[15:24] <tekteen> tdn: iso magic is a good gui
[15:24] <_Angelus_> to run frostwire
[15:25] <_Angelus_> but its still trying to use the 64bit version of java
[15:25] <_Angelus_> what can i do?
[15:25] <selckin> update-java-alternative
[15:25] <tdn> tekteen, ok. Thanks.
[15:25] <llutz> _Angelus_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[15:25] <sigma_1234> u need to change it manually
[15:25] <tdn> tekteen, hmm... What package? apt-cache search iso magic does not give anything.
[15:26] <sigma_1234> iso magic must be a script at kde-apps.org
[15:26] <tekteen> sudo apt-get install isomaster
[15:26] <tekteen> wrong name
[15:27] <tekteen> mixed it up with "image magik"
[15:27] <tdn> tekteen, ok.
[15:29] <_Angelus_> ok it worked now
[15:29] <_Angelus_> but i cannot type in frost wire
[15:29] <_Angelus_> i this a problem with java?
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> frostwire is a joke
[15:30] <Daisuke_Ido> so it's probably more a problem with it
[15:30] <ForgeAus> that in itself is funny
[15:31] <ForgeAus> um you can try either appollon and/or mldonkey
[15:31] <ForgeAus> (well kmldonkey)
[15:31] <ForgeAus> for p2p they're about my fav's
[15:31] <ForgeAus> since I still can't seem to get bittorrents at all
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Amule works ok ..mldonkey is bit of achore to set up portwise etc
[15:31] <Daisuke_Ido> soulseek
[15:32] <Daisuke_Ido> (nicotine)
[15:33] <senane> #kubuntu-fr
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> and of course there's bittorrent, and i can't understand people who, after a couple years now, still refuse to touch it
[15:34] <_Angelus_> Daisuke_Ido: why frostwire is a joke?
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> same reason limewire is
[15:34] <tekteen> Daisuke_Ido: I am still seeding the linuxmce. I have uploaded 20GB
[15:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it's useless unless you have no desire for good quality
[15:35] <Daisuke_Ido> tekteen: then you're not in that list :P
[15:35]  * aleksanteri wonders why frostwire and limewire are jokes (well he doesn't use bittorrent but he has used limewire in the past)
[15:35] <BluesKaj> the donkey network has more sources than the torrentsites , but torrents tend to be much faster to DL
[15:35] <tekteen> BluesKaj: yep
[15:35] <aleksanteri> well anything that uses java is a joke, but don't know about limewire
[15:36] <tekteen> limewire is on over 30% of computers
[15:36] <hydrogen> It's likely faster for you to drive to the nearest store and buy what you are after
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> after waiting on several occasions for *more than a week* for something that should have had plenty of sources to download, i decided i didn't have the time to deal with it
[15:36] <hydrogen> to be honest
[15:36] <Daisuke_Ido> its users are selfish twits
[15:36] <hydrogen> heh
[15:37] <Daisuke_Ido> tekteen: let's see some BT client figures, i'm willing to bet it dwarfs 30%
[15:37] <BluesKaj> I use AMule as a backup if the torrent sites don't have what i'm looking for
[15:37] <tekteen> hydrogen: linuxmce can not be bought in a store
[15:37] <aleksanteri> oh well, i have ktorrent and i'm happy with it ;)
[15:37] <Daisuke_Ido> tekteen: but that's a torrent :)
[15:37] <tekteen> hydrogen: it has to be ordered online
[15:37] <tekteen> hydrogen: or torrent! which is faster
[15:38] <Daisuke_Ido> i think hydrogen was referring to the donkey network with his speed comment
[15:38] <tekteen> ok
[15:38] <tekteen> I have to agree
[15:38] <tekteen> torrent is the only good p2p when it comes to big files and speed
[15:41] <hydrogen> I was making a general statement with reguards to the common use of any p2p software
[15:41] <tekteen> hydrogen: you are wrong when it comes to bittorrent
[15:41] <hydrogen> nope
[15:41] <hydrogen> sure its used for good things
[15:41] <Daisuke_Ido> *potentially wrong
[15:48] <BluesKaj> tekteen, my only comment is : ahhh, the absolutism of youth :)
[15:54] <MsK`> hi
[15:55] <MsK`> is there a minimal install CD for kubuntu ? (like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD)
[15:55] <tekteen> what do you mean minimal?
[15:55] <tekteen> cli only?
[15:55] <tekteen> A non-live cd
[15:55] <tekteen> ?
[15:56] <MsK`> a <20MB cd, dunno what's on it
[15:57] <BluesKaj> minimal still involves a cd of somekind , even debian does :)
[15:57] <MsK`> "The Minimal CD uses a text-based installer like the Alternate CD, making the CD image as compact as possible."
[15:57] <Artimus> tekteen: Network install
[15:57] <Artimus> "The Minimal CD downloads packages from online archives at installation time instead of providing them on the install CD itself."
[15:57] <tekteen> I think it is called the mini.iso
[15:57] <MsK`> yup, but is there one for kubuntu ? I can't find it
[15:59] <tekteen> My guess is no
[15:59] <tekteen> you could get the mini.iso
[15:59] <tekteen> then change the preseed file
[15:59] <MsK`> the preseed file ?
[16:00] <tekteen> it is a file on the cd that tells it what to do
[16:00] <tekteen> it is a little complex
[16:00] <MsK`> hmm, ok so I have to modify the mini.iso then burn it right ?
[16:00] <tekteen> yeah
[16:00] <tekteen> but I do not think it is something most people can do
[16:01] <tekteen> the answer is no
[16:01] <tekteen> is the a reason you need it
[16:01] <tekteen> ?
[16:01] <MsK`> I have only one cdrw and it's 650MB, standard image doesn't fit in it...
[16:02] <MsK`> and a network install is so much better (direct upgrades...)
[16:02] <tekteen> ok
[16:02] <pag> MsK`, iirc you could install cli system from mini.iso and the apt-get kubuntu-dekstop
[16:02] <BluesKaj> MsK`, kubuntu contains the kde desktop.If you can find a minimal ubuntu cd then you could install kubuntu-desktop afterwards
[16:08] <MsK`> pag, i'll try it
[16:14] <alesan> hi... a friend of mine tryied to instal compiz-fusion and now... when you login the screen goes black foa a second and then return to kdm.
[16:14] <alesan> how can I colve this? I already uninstalled compiz from a failsafe session
[16:14] <alesan> solve
[16:19] <TH2O> salut
[16:22] <TH2O> >Salut
[16:23] <TH2O> Hello
[16:23] <slackl> hellop
[16:23] <slackl> lol hello
[16:23] <TH2O> lol
[16:23] <slackl> yeah i suck
[16:24] <slackl> cant even type hello right
[16:24] <slackl> anyone want to help me with cd dvd burning issues
[16:25] <slackl> ahh professional idlers
[16:25] <slackl> sorry to interrupt
[16:25] <ForgeAus> I'm not a professional
[16:25] <ForgeAus> hehe but I do idle at times
[16:25] <slackl> lol :)
[16:25] <ForgeAus> still I'm unlikely the person to ask about burning
[16:25] <ForgeAus> especially with *nix
[16:26] <slackl> at least i know there are real people in here
[16:26] <slackl> ForgeAus, good room to be idling in .. maybe you will learn by osmosis :)
[16:26] <TH2O> Sorry, I'm french, I don't speak good english
[16:27] <pag> slackl, it's hard to help you, if you don't tell the details...
[16:27] <slackl> np TH20 i speak bad french
[16:27] <slackl> the problem I am having is that i am getting permission errors on burning dvds and cds on 2 different boxes
[16:28] <slackl> one is gutsy ubuntu  and one is fiesty kubuntu
[16:28] <slackl> i have verified (as much as i know how) the permissions and they all look good
[16:28] <slackl> however when i try to burn it give me a sorry bout cho luck no burn for you one year
[16:29] <slackl> and i really want to burn something This Year!
[16:29] <slackl> 08 is feeling pretty good for me
[16:29] <LeeJunFan> slackl: is this the main user you created at startup time trying to burn?
[16:29] <slackl> LeeJunFan, yes it is
[16:30] <armoth> IDRINKYOURMILKSHAKE
[16:30] <slackl> and from the 777 permissions on the drive i figured i should be able to
[16:30] <slackl> I have some *nix experience but man this is driving me nuts
[16:31] <slackl> like the guy who walked into a bar with a steering wheel on his crotch :)
[16:31]  * ethan961 devours a thick chocolatey milkshake
[16:31] <slackl> ethan961, thanks .. that helps
[16:31] <slackl> :)
[16:32] <LeeJunFan> man that's odd, I've installed kubuntu on well over 80 machines and haven't seen that yet. You have it on 2 machines - first suggestion, don't bother with lotto tickets. :)
[16:32] <slackl> pag, any ideas>
[16:32] <slackl> ?
[16:33]  * ethan961 gives slackl a chocolate milkshake
[16:33] <slackl> LeeJunFan, .. thanks ill remember that
[16:33] <pag> slackl, the only one I have is related to groups, which otoh should be fine in Kubuntu..
[16:33] <slackl> ethan961, well that does make it better now :)
[16:33] <slackl> pag, yeah the groups look good
[16:34] <LeeJunFan> slackl: I take it this is a problem you've had for some time?
[16:34] <slackl> LeeJunFan, yes it is ever since the install
[16:34] <slackl> do you guys want output from something
[16:35] <pag> slackl, check Settings ->configure k3b -> devices
[16:35] <LeeJunFan> yeah, output form k3b when you try to burn, at the summary you should be able to have it show debug info.
[16:35] <slackl> LeeJunFan, on second
[16:36] <BluesKaj> slackl, I have to ask the obvious , did you install libdvdcss2, libk3b2-mp3,libxine1-ffmpeg, kubuntu-restricted-extras on the boxes ?
[16:36] <LeeJunFan> slackl: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[16:36] <slackl> BluesKaj, i believe so
[16:37] <slackl> ok posted
[16:37] <LeeJunFan> slackl: also - this is with a data CD or music?
[16:37] <slackl> music cd and dvd copies
[16:37] <LeeJunFan> slackl: link?
[16:37] <slackl> BluesKaj, how can i check
[16:37] <slackl> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56227/
[16:38] <cbr> my boot stalls for 5 seconds when initializing the kernel.. and dmesg also says exactly before setting the VT resolution there's a 9 second pause
[16:38] <cbr> the 5sec stall is when the cdrom/dvd drivers are loaded
[16:38] <BluesKaj> slackl,  use adept to check the installed pkges
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> cbr » probably detecting if there is a CD in the drive..
[16:39] <cbr> nosrednaekim: why should that stall the init process?
[16:39] <LeeJunFan> slackl: I see something that concerns me that I've never seen before in a drive descriptor: HP CD-Writer+ 9300 1.0b (/dev/hdc, ) [CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM] [Error] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96R, RAW/R96R]
[16:39] <nosrednaekim> cbr » dunno :) did you try booting with an without a CD?
[16:39] <slackl> BluesKaj, yeah they are there
[16:39] <LeeJunFan> [Error]
[16:40] <slackl> LeeJunFan, lol yeah i saw that too
[16:40] <LeeJunFan> maybe that's just error checking capability - but I just haven't ever seen it before. The other thing is /usr/bin/wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.
[16:40] <cbr> nosrednaekim: nope, the tray has always been empty.. it happened in debian too but some recent kernel cured it imo
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> cbr » ah... hmm, odd
[16:41] <LeeJunFan> slackl: I wonder - try ls -l /usr/bin/wodim and see what it tells you for permissions on that.
[16:41] <cbr> nosrednaekim: is there any way to see the raw output behind the kubuntu splash screen?
[16:41] <slackl> LeeJunFan, i will check
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> cbr » yeah, press e on the boot menu, erase "splash" and "quiet"
[16:42] <slackl> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2007-09-16 18:17 wodim
[16:42] <slackl> LeeJunFan -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 359116 2007-09-16 18:17 wodim
[16:42] <LeeJunFan> slackl: try this to suid root on wodim: sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/wodim - then try to burn.
[16:43] <slackl> LeeJunFan, ok thanks give me a one sec
[16:45] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, what does "wodim" stand for ?
[16:46] <LeeJunFan>  write data to optical disk media
[16:46] <BluesKaj> thx
[16:46] <nosrednaekim> wodim is the burning program
[16:46] <swimmerino88> I have installed my kubuntu on my laptop...when I press the buttons for the volume,the max volume that I can reach is the 11%...why?
[16:46] <LeeJunFan> some screwed up abbreviation there.
[16:46] <slackl> LeeJunFan, cdrecord has returned an unknown error (254) sometimes using TAO resolves this issues.
[16:46] <slackl> i will try with TAO
[16:47] <LeeJunFan> slackl: burning audio cd's can introduce an entirely different set of problems, your best bet would be to try to get cd recording working first with data - then move on to audio.
[16:47] <slackl> LeeJunFan, ok i will try
[16:48] <nosrednaekim> swimmerino88 » that is a known bug, search launchpad for it, I think there is a fix
[16:48] <LeeJunFan> but since the error message changed I think we made progress :)
[16:48] <BluesKaj> swimmerino88, open alsamixer in the terminal and set your vol ctrls there.If they're muted (M) then use the mkey to unmute (00(
[16:49] <swimmerino88> BluesKaj the volume works...the only problem is that when i press the bottom i see only 11%
[16:50] <BluesKaj> bottom?
[16:50] <Jonty> what could be causing kde to quit back to kdm on 7.10? I'm using an imported .kde, could that be this issue?
[16:50] <slackl> LeeJunFan, looking good so far
[16:50] <slackl> LeeJunFan, and i spoke to soon :(
[16:50] <LeeJunFan> crap
[16:50] <LeeJunFan> owell, pastebin the output again I guess.
[16:51] <LeeJunFan> Are both of your machines the same? or at least do they have the same DVD drive?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » possibly, try moving your .kde to .kde-old
[16:51] <BluesKaj> swimmerino88, on some pcs/laptops the KB vol ctrls are pretty coarse, they step at 11% intervals , up or down
[16:51] <slackl> one more second trying different media
[16:51] <Powerking89670> is there a menu to modify what apps start at login or where is the config file(s) that handle this in KDE?
[16:51] <nosrednaekim> !autostart
[16:51] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[16:51] <swimmerino88> BluesKaj ok!
[16:52] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I've just realised the copy of my home folder doesn't actually include hidden files. Whoops. Thanks anyway.
[16:52] <Powerking89670> yes, but adding them is not the issue, its stoping apps like kopete from doing it...and they dont have an entry...at least not that I can see
[16:52] <slackl> LeeJunFan, nope unable to fixate the disk...
[16:52] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » so you do have a fresh .kde?
[16:52] <slackl> i will post output
[16:52] <LeeJunFan> slackl: hrm, that's different.
[16:53] <BluesKaj> swimmerino88, mine are like that too. Im afraid that's the best we can get on kubuntu unless you use you cursor
[16:53] <slackl> LeeJunFan, yeah it is
[16:53] <BluesKaj> err your cursor
[16:53] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: it would of course also help if /home/jadh wasn't owned by root :P
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> ah... there ya go...do you know the command to fix that?
[16:54] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: yes, cheers
[16:54] <slackl> LeeJunFan, pasted http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56230/
[16:54] <slackl> LeeJunFan, thanks for the help i have to roll my boy is calling
[16:54] <slackl> LeeJunFan, thanks for all the help
[16:54] <LeeJunFan> okay, good luck.
[16:56] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: and..it's working. Thanks
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » sweet, have fun.
[17:04] <BUGabundo> hy...
[17:04] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble with lattest update in hardy?
[17:04] <mario> hi
[17:04] <BUGabundo> on kmail or kontact?
[17:04] <LjL> !hardy | BUGabundo
[17:04] <ubotu> BUGabundo: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[17:04] <BUGabundo> don't you start that too, LjL
[17:05] <BUGabundo> I'm on #ubuntu+1, and they say the samethinbg
[17:05] <BUGabundo> plus me, there's hyper_ch having trouble with the latest updates...
[17:05] <BUGabundo> just want to check for common probs before going to LP
[17:06] <LjL> they say the same thing...?
[17:06] <Jonty> hmm. I'm using an imported .kde/ and pretty much the only thing that's come across is the icons. What can I do to use the rest?
[17:06] <LjL> i.e. they tell you to join #ubuntu+1 when you're already in #ubuntu+1?
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> you're on the channel for hardy, yet you come here to ask for help because they can't help you.
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that is absolutely ridiculous
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> as it says, this is PRE-BETA, you use it at your own risk
[17:07] <BUGabundo> Daisuke_ldo I came here, because it happens on kmail and kontact!!!!!!
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » how old was the version you were last using?
[17:08] <Daisuke_Ido> and not to mention: [If you] do not know how to resolve dependencies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY
[17:08] <Jonty> I was using 3.5.7 and am now on... 3.5.8
[17:08] <Proud> hi guys. Is there any *easy* way to install drivers for Cannon LBP2900, perhaps some command from konsole?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> I have everying uptodate and no depency prob, Daisuke_
[17:09] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: there can't have been a change from those two versions, can there?
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> it's still not a problem for here, i don't care if they are KDE apps
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> running hardy, the support chan is #ubuntu+1
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> that's it
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » shouldn't have been, were you previously using a different distro?
[17:11] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: yes
[17:11] <Jonty> gentoo
[17:12] <BUGabundo> bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/192432
[17:12] <nosrednaekim> that could be it, I've found that sometimes settings don't travel well between distros, what settings are you missing?
[17:12] <catunda> hi
[17:13] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: everything in the taskbar, my desktop, my theme, pretty much everything bar what the icons are (they aren't even in the same place)
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> hey catunda
[17:13] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » what about other apps settings? like Kmail accounts.
[17:13] <Jonty> well I know my firefox config hasn't travelled, but I'll check kde apps
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> BUGabundo: that's a bug in hardy
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> rather a bug in kmail under hardy
[17:14] <catunda> I want to switch to ISO-8859-1 in only one kconsole, just for edit one document by vim. I use locale-gen, unicode_stop and set LANG environment, but the characters of this document doesn't show correctly... :(
[17:14] <BUGabundo> I know Daisuke_Ido
[17:14] <BUGabundo> I'm using hardy
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> so...  why point it out here?
[17:15] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: amarok doesn't remember my devices
[17:15] <BUGabundo> but also using kontact/kmail
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> this is not the channel for hardy, period
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu+1 covers ubuntu amd kubuntu
[17:15] <nosrednaekim> Jonty » thats odd, are you sure the whole home travelled across complete?
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> and*
[17:15] <BUGabundo> trrying to see if anyone else here is having trouble with it too, and if they use hardy
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> if they use hardy, they're probable getting support in #ubuntu+1 like they're supposed to
[17:15] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I'll retransfer it and make sure
[17:16] <BUGabundo> good buy Daisuke_Ido.... thanks so much for the lack of help and support!! your atitude is a shame....
[17:17] <BUGabundo>  case
[17:17] <Daisuke_Ido> nice attempt at trying to troll me, i'm trying to direct you to the proper support channel and explain that there is no support for hardy here, you're being a...
[17:17] <Daisuke_Ido> GAH!
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> Bleh, and he complains about YOUR attitude
[17:18] <bmk789> is there a file in /proc/acpi that can tell me how long my laptop has been running on battery?
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> bmk789 » not that I am aware of
[17:19] <bmk789> :\
[17:20] <nosrednaekim> you could write a script though...
[17:21] <Daisuke_Ido> just time elapsed from removal from ac power
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> where is that?
[17:21] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: ah yes, looks like it didn't copy enough last time, I thought it didn't take very long
[17:21] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, if you shut down while on battery power, charge while it's off, then reboot on battery power, it's going to be wrong
[17:21] <Daisuke_Ido> an unlikely scenario though
[17:22] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: no, i haven't seen that, that's just what the script would have to do
[17:22] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I'll have to remember to make sure they're not root owned as well...
[17:22] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido » ah ok,
[17:26] <Jonty> nosrednaekim: I've been wondering why only the icons transferred but of course that's Desktop, isn't it?
[17:26] <Jonty> not .kde
[17:30] <el_taco> what file do I modify to have an app load at startup
[17:30] <el_taco> start of xorg that is.
[17:31] <tremby> what might be grabbing keystrokes before keytouch gets its hands on them? kmail is opening when i press my "email" button, but i want to change this. i verified that it isn't khotkeys, and i've checked the shortcuts list in kcontrol
[17:31] <jhutchins> tremby: what does it open?
[17:32] <jhutchins> tremby: I mean, what does kmail say it's shortcut is?
[17:32] <tremby> kmail isn't even on the shortcuts list
[17:32] <tremby> but the kcontrol shortcuts list seems to be a frontend to khotkeys, which i've killed but the shortcut remains
[17:33] <tremby> there are some others too -- the volume buttons for example call kmix
[17:36] <Jonty> how would I do .* in bash without including .  and ..
[17:37] <steveire> anyone using kde4 stable?
[17:39] <jhutchins> steveire: No such thing from what I hear.
[17:39] <tremby> Jonty: try .[^\.]*
[17:40] <Jonty> cheers
[17:49] <beer> hello. I've enabled the driver for my ati radeon card in system settings > advanced > restricted drivers. all went well, installed etc. when i reboot though my system doesn't load. i'm running here off the live cd. my question is, how can i remove/disable the driver from here?
[17:50] <tremby> beer -- you shouldn't have to remove the driver from there. instead you can edit your xorg.conf file to start up using a simpler driver, such as vesa. then you should be able to get x started and do any fixing without need of the livecd
[17:52] <beer> tremby: ok. thanks.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> beer, tremby..there's another option most ppl don't think of . Instead of removing the graphics card driver or installing a proprietary one, take a look at the monitor driver , sometimes that's the culprit
[17:53] <PolitikerALT> does kubuntu hardy work fine on amd64?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> not all plugins are available for 64bit
[17:54] <PolitikerALT> is there a list which plugins are not availible?
[17:55] <BluesKaj> PolitikerALT, personally I reverted to 32 bit on my amd 64 pc due to those probs
[17:57] <PolitikerALT> mom - do you mean that plugins are missing compared to 32bit or compared to 64bit gutsy? The latter wouldn't be a problem because gutsy works rather fine for me
[17:57] <Seren> hi got a quick question
[17:57] <Seren> I can't unlock "kicker"
[17:57] <Seren> I tried dpkg-reconfigure
[17:57] <Seren> and removing kickerrc without success
[17:58] <Seren> anyone got an idea ?
[17:58] <Seren> ( if I right click on kicker and select "unlock panel" nothing happens )
[17:58] <Daisuke_Ido> PolitikerALT: unless you're running better than 4gb ram, 32-bit will work fine for yu
[17:58] <Daisuke_Ido> you*
[18:00] <PolitikerALT> sure - but: why having a 64-bit CPU and a 32-bit OS?
[18:01] <Daisuke_Ido> because 64-bit just isn't needed for 90% of home users yet
[18:02] <BluesKaj> PolitikerALT, it's an unfortunate reality that 64 bit in linux generally has little advantage over 32 speedwise and support in terms of apps that can take advantage of it
[18:02] <Daisuke_Ido> cpus went to 64 bit, but that doesn't mean that you have to jump straight to the new OS...  there are still issues, and while you CAN use the 64-bit OS, if you weigh the headache of getting common things working to the minimal (if any) performance increase, you'll likely find you're better off with the 32 bit version
[18:03] <beer> i'm trying to access my kubuntu hard drive while running off this live cd, i'm getting 'hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 999' though. how do i mount it. i believe its /dev/sda6.
[18:04] <PolitikerALT> Currently I have no issues except not being able to hibernate - I just want to know if I should wait for upgrading my gutsy to 64-bit or not (because there was an 64-bit bug - you could not boot)
[18:05] <jhutchins> beer: How are you trying to mount it?
[18:05] <Daisuke_Ido> PolitikerALT: as i said.  it's a pain getting flash, java, etc etc working.  if you don't use those things or don't mind a little frustrated screaming while you're trying to get them all working properly, go ahead and upgrade.  if you would prefer to keep your sanity and your hair, stick with 32-bit
[18:06] <jhutchins> Basically if you actually need 64b you'll know.
[18:06]  * BluesKaj has "some" hair left 
[18:06] <NickPresta> PolitikerALT, make a chart. Compare the benefits and the drawbacks of a 64-bit system.
[18:07] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[18:08] <beer> jhutchins right click on its icon and mount
[18:09] <beer> is there a command i could use ?
[18:10] <nick_> one of the biggest benefits if 64 is more memory........... so if you want 8 gigs of memory go 64...........
[18:10] <slow-motion> hi
[18:11] <Daisuke_Ido> -biggest +only
[18:12] <PolitikerNEU> I'm sure I won't need more than 2 GB of ram and I know 32-bit may be better. But all I want to know is if the 64-bit bug in Hardy is fixed or not because 64-bit Gutsy works fine for me (Don't need flash; had no problems with java)
[18:13] <ubuntu_> Kakogo hera y menya Konqueror v Live-sessii v set, ne vuhodit a???
[18:15] <beer> sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/ yay
[18:17] <BluesKaj> !ua | ubuntu_
[18:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ua - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:17] <BluesKaj> !ru | ubuntu_
[18:17] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[18:18] <ubuntu_> Niche sebe...
[18:18] <ubuntu_> A na rysskom spet, magesh??
[18:19] <Seren> (no one got an idea on resetting kicker ? )
[18:20] <Jahromeo> i need help my installer is stuck
[18:20] <prince_jammys> Seren: alt-f2 and:   killall kicker;kicker
[18:21] <Seren> already tried that I still can't unlock it
[18:21] <Jahromeo> stuck on 82% on "Scanning the mirror..." - but no net connection on that pc - its been like that for almost and hour now - any advice - installing off cd kubuntu sent me
[18:21] <Seren> I think something is corrupted in the configuration file but I already remove the kickerrc
[18:22] <Jahromeo> im stuck with install - its on 82% on "Scanning the mirror..." - but no net connection on that pc - its been like that for almost and hour now - any advice - installing off cd kubuntu sent me
[18:23] <Seren> jahromeo > you can try to install with the alternate Live CD
[18:23] <rufus_> what do I have to download to add themes from kde-look.org to my computer?
[18:23] <Jahromeo> its not the install thats broken
[18:23] <Jahromeo> it seems to keep trying to connect to the net
[18:24] <rufus_> dekorator or something?
[18:24] <ForgeAus> rufus not much just don't use konqueror to grab them (afaik)
[18:24] <ForgeAus> wait compiz themes?
[18:24] <Jahromeo> it is networked to this machine so i can probably try set it up
[18:24] <rufus_> how do I apply gtk themes
[18:24] <Jahromeo> what can i do to open network settings as root?
[18:24] <Jahromeo> what would command be to run?
[18:24] <ForgeAus> gtk themes you should already have um I forgot how to get the gtk+ theme icon in kcontrol tho
[18:24] <Seren> Jahromea > I don't know but I have a vague recollection that some people have already reported this problem somewhere ( not very helpful I know )
[18:25] <rufus_> compiz themes need compiz and emerald
[18:25] <Jahromeo> seren what would command be to run network in root
[18:25] <Jahromeo> i want to setup a new network connection without killed install
[18:25] <Seren> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:25] <Jahromeo> will it kill my install? or just open networking box?
[18:25] <Seren> it might work but I am not 100% sure
[18:26] <Seren> no idea
[18:26] <unagi> muahaha
[18:26] <unagi> yea so anyone have kopete crash alot?
[18:28] <Jahromeo> hehe disabling my network connection stopped the installer hanging at trying to find net access
[18:28] <Jahromeo> nice
[18:28] <BluesKaj> unagi, for IMs or IRC  ?
[18:28] <unagi> ims, but it crashes when trying to set up msn or devices
[18:29] <Jahromeo> if i was do to an apt-get update - and im using 7.10 would there actually be anything to update?
[18:29] <BluesKaj> for IMs I noticed it's a bit unstable
[18:29] <unagi> im just trying to find a way to use my webcam
[18:29] <rufus_> what do i use dekorator for?
[18:30] <ForgeAus> isn't dekorator a compiz plugin for themes?
[18:30] <Jahromeo> can someone give me the restricted repo for kubuntu please
[18:30] <ForgeAus> like beryl
[18:30] <rufus_> !compiz
[18:30] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:30] <Jahromeo> !restricted
[18:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:30] <ForgeAus> erm I mean like aquamarine was for beryl
[18:31] <ForgeAus> no its a kwin style apparently
[18:31] <rufus_> !dekorator
[18:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dekorator - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:32] <ForgeAus> like plastik and baghira, etc
[18:33] <ForgeAus> mods the boarders of windows and title bars and prolly taskbar, perhaps some icons and stuff
[18:33] <rufus_> how do I get it?
[18:33] <jussi01> Jahromeo: what are you after in particular?
[18:33] <ForgeAus> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31447
[18:33] <Jahromeo> skype etc
[18:33] <Jahromeo> which would me medibuntu right?
[18:33] <ForgeAus> there will have a link
[18:33] <ForgeAus> wait bad link
[18:33] <jussi01> Jahromeo: yeah
[18:34] <rufus_> how do i install dekorator? its not in a repository
[18:34] <jussi01> !medibuntu > Jahromeo
[18:34] <Jahromeo> thanks
[18:34] <ForgeAus> yes rufus but if you can get a .deb for it you can use dpkg
[18:34] <ForgeAus> or rightclick install action in konqueror
[18:35] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, open your sources'list and uncomment the repos with # at the beginning by deleting the # and saving the file , afterwards do a sudo apt-get update in the terminal
[18:35] <ForgeAus> just that using konqeror to link to a download directly from kde-look.org may not work (unless they've fixed it)
[18:35] <jussi01> !find dekorator
[18:35] <ubotu> Found: kwin-style-dekorator
[18:35] <jussi01> rufus_: ^ is that it?
[18:35] <ForgeAus> yup that's it
[18:35] <rufus_> ill try
[18:35] <Jahromeo> blues gimme a sec just setup linux box to share internet
[18:35] <Jahromeo> logging on that
[18:36] <Jahromeo> ok blues im here
[18:36] <Jahromeo> can you repeat that please
[18:36] <rufus_> how do I add a window decoration while im running compiz? i installed and ran it, now I have no titlebars
[18:36] <Jahromeo> about changing list to include medibuntu
[18:37] <Jahromeo> where the heck is synaptic on thjis box
[18:37] <hitmanWilly> rufus_, alt-f2, then run emerald --replace
[18:38] <Jahromeo> any reason why adept takes so long to open?
[18:38] <Jahromeo> turning and turning
[18:38] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, you can go to the medibuntu site and copy the repos to your sources list
[18:38] <hitmanWilly> rufus_, that should enable window decoration
[18:38] <ibou> i don't want to have korganizer deamon launched each time i start kontakt. Is it possible ?
[18:38] <rufus_> k
[18:38] <Jahromeo> if i got get adept to open it would be cool - just hourglass shows loading does nothing and quits
[18:39] <sigma_1234> ibou i dnt tink dats possible
[18:39] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, try running sudo apt-get update in a terminal and see what it does
[18:39] <sui> nabend
[18:39] <Jahromeo> yeah i was just bout to do that
[18:40] <sui> oh, i mean "hi":)
[18:40] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, alt+F2 , kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list ...add the medibuntu deb repos address if you wish but , uncommenting the existing debs might do the trick as well
[18:40] <Jahromeo> trying to read from cdrom
[18:40] <ibou> sigma_1234: ok
[18:40] <Jahromeo> blue/hitman adept is trying to read off cdrom
[18:40] <Jahromeo> hence it wont open
[18:40] <Jahromeo> how do i change path?
[18:40] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, ah, ok, pull the cdrom out of sources.list
[18:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[18:40] <Jahromeo> path?
[18:41] <Jahromeo> path for sources.list?
[18:41] <hitmanWilly> /etc/ap/sources.list
[18:41] <BluesKaj> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list in the runbox
[18:41] <hitmanWilly> /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:42] <BluesKaj> BBL, errands to do
[18:42] <Jahromeo> ta
[18:42] <Jahromeo>  Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
[18:42] <Jahromeo> #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted
[18:42] <Jahromeo> ewww
[18:43] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, yeah, you will want to uncomment that one
[18:43] <Jahromeo> theyre all like thaT?
[18:43] <hitmanWilly> security is kind of important :)
[18:43] <Jahromeo> can i just delete em?
[18:43] <Jahromeo> its caus install bombd with sources then i disabled network and it continued
[18:44] <Jahromeo> can i maybe do a pastebin.com and you can show me what i have to delete?
[18:44] <Jahromeo> caus im really not sured
[18:44] <sigma_1234> commenting out is kinda the same as deleting
[18:44] <hitmanWilly> sure, I'll take a look
[18:45] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[18:46] <Jahromeo> k sticking file on pastebin
[18:46] <hitmanWilly> usually make uninstall will do the trick with compiled apps
[18:46] <Jahromeo> k back got dc
[18:46] <hitmanWilly> cool
[18:47] <Jahromeo> is this irc.freenode.net?
[18:47] <hitmanWilly> yup
[18:47] <mefisto__> hitmanWilly: usually?
[18:48] <Jahromeo> http://pastebin.com/m48f0a6db - hitmanwilly/sigma
[18:48] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, it depends on how the make script is set up.
[18:48] <Jahromeo> my sources.lst
[18:48] <sigma_1234> in linux theres always more than one way to do something
[18:49] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, ok, looking at it now
[18:49] <Jahromeo> thanks could you edit it and put link up on pastebin for me
[18:50] <Jahromeo> so i can just ctrl c into file and resave
[18:50] <Jahromeo> just got off pclinux so this is a bit diff
[18:51] <Jahromeo> is there any diff between ubuntu/kubuntu other than gnome/kde?
[18:51] <mefisto__> would reinstalling the ati driver from repos take me back to my current driver?
[18:51] <Jahromeo> like anything that runs on ubuntu must run on kubuntu - barring diff de ofcourse
[18:52] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, http://rafb.net/p/jJht1U49.html
[18:53] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, set it up like that, and it should fix the problem
[18:53] <Jahromeo> thanks hitman
[18:53] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, every one of your repos was commented out, except the CD
[18:53] <Jahromeo> explain how the commenting / uncomennting works plz
[18:54] <Jahromeo> not quite sure what i was allowed to edit
[18:54] <hitmanWilly> any line with # in front of it will be ignored by the system
[18:54] <Jonty> how do I stop apt tryint to use the cd?
[18:54] <Jonty> oh it's ok got it
[18:55] <hitmanWilly> so you can put human readable text, or remove lines without deleting them
[18:55] <Jahromeo> ahh thanks hitman
[18:55] <Jahromeo> get it now
[18:55] <Jahromeo> hmmm its still not starting let me see what apt-get update does
[18:55] <hitmanWilly> its a good tecnique for troubleshooting config files
[18:56] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, can you pastebin the output of apt-get update, please?
[18:56] <Jahromeo>  Type 'Pasted' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:56] <Jahromeo> rofl
[18:56] <hitmanWilly> lol, hold on
[18:56] <Jahromeo> ctrl A is bad
[18:56] <Jahromeo> nevermind
[18:56] <Jahromeo>  i did ctrl a and it took the url page header too
[18:57] <hitmanWilly> lol
[18:57] <hitmanWilly> yeah, you have to watch when pulling stuff from pastebins
[18:57] <Jahromeo> is add/remove programs same as adept?
[18:58] <hitmanWilly> its actually part of it
[18:58] <Jahromeo> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[18:58] <Jahromeo> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[18:58] <hitmanWilly> did you sudo?
[18:58] <Jahromeo> nope nm
[18:59] <mefisto__> so for "make uninstall" to work, there should be a file named uninstall?
[18:59] <Jahromeo> fixed
[18:59] <Jahromeo> thanks
[18:59] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, not necessarily
[19:00] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, what I would suggest, if you want to go the compiling route, is to uninstall the current drivers before compiling
[19:00] <Jahromeo> apt get-update
[19:00] <Jahromeo> how much could that be dling?
[19:00] <rufus_> !find dekorator
[19:00] <ubotu> Found: kwin-style-dekorator
[19:00] <hitmanWilly> mefisto__, then, you SHOULD be able to just reinstall the regular ones over the compiled ones
[19:01] <sigma_1234> depends on how out of date your stuff is
[19:01] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, just the package lists
[19:01] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, apt-get dist-upgrade is what will download the actual packages
[19:01] <Jahromeo> taking a while
[19:01] <sigma_1234> my bad
[19:01] <Jahromeo> ahh k in pclinux apt-get update updates full system
[19:01] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, not in buntu
[19:02] <Jahromeo> will i need to do apt-get dist-upgrade only when 7.1x comes out?
[19:02] <sigma_1234> how fast is your internet connection?
[19:02] <Jahromeo> or before?
[19:02] <Jahromeo> 384kbs :(
[19:02] <mefisto__> hitmanWilly: why uninstall first? would not reinstalling the regular ati driver just overwrite the patched one anyway?
[19:02] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, it probably has to download the full pkg lists, since your system hasn't been updated in a while
[19:03] <sigma_1234> you mean when 8.04 comes out :)
[19:03] <Jahromeo> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[19:03] <Jahromeo> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[19:03] <Jahromeo> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[19:03] <Jahromeo>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[19:03] <Jahromeo> It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
[19:03] <Jahromeo> You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files.
[19:03] <Jahromeo> You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover
[19:03] <Jahromeo> data from undamaged sections of corrupted files.
[19:03] <Jahromeo> Err http://za.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[19:03] <Jahromeo>   Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:03] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, woah...
[19:04] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, that was with sudo?
[19:04] <sigma_1234> are you in south africa?
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Fetched 7696kB in 4m52s (26.3kB/s)
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[19:04] <Jahromeo> Reading package lists... Done
[19:04] <Jahromeo> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[19:04] <Jahromeo> yeah
[19:04] <Jahromeo> i am in south africa - cape town
[19:04] <Jahromeo> failed on 2 packages
[19:04] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, you may just want to completely regen your sources.list
[19:05] <Jahromeo> how do i do that?
[19:05] <hitmanWilly> !sources.list
[19:05] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[19:05] <sigma_1234> well theres the problem right there. telkoms service is so crap its probably timing out and corrupting the files
[19:05] <hitmanWilly> crap, what's the link for easy source
[19:05] <Jahromeo> heh sigma in za?
[19:06] <Jahromeo> im going to need to hit up local repos like leg.uct.ac.za and such
[19:06] <Jahromeo> int bandwidth expensive :(
[19:06] <hitmanWilly> lol
[19:06] <sigma_1234> yup. im also from sa - durban
[19:06] <hitmanWilly> yeah, sounds like corrupted files on download
[19:06] <Jahromeo> my adept wont even open tho
[19:06] <Jahromeo> hourglass spins a few times
[19:06] <Jahromeo> then it just quits no error anything
[19:07] <mefisto__> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/
[19:07] <Jahromeo> sigma care to give me your sources list?
[19:07] <sigma_1234> i ran that update on a clients adsl a while back. worked fine but his line didnt time out
[19:07] <hitmanWilly> yeah, that's the link I was looking for
[19:07] <hitmanWilly> don't know if it generates for specific locales, tho
[19:08] <Jahromeo> Helaas, de door U gevraagde pagina kon niet worden gevonden.
[19:08] <Jahromeo>  Sorry, the page you requested could not be found.
[19:08] <sigma_1234> im not on my pc. using my phone. but i dont use sources.lst. i install everyting manually
[19:08] <Jahromeo> snore too much foir a noob that is
[19:08] <Jahromeo> i struggled myt ass off just to compile kiba-dock
[19:08] <hitmanWilly> hmm, same here...page might be down
[19:09] <Jahromeo> least i can read dutch
[19:09] <Jahromeo> so thats ok:P
[19:09] <sigma_1234> you should get the dvd repo set from the uct freedom toaster
[19:09] <Jahromeo> thats a mission i wanna play with my box now :P
[19:09] <hitmanWilly> yeah, probably a better idea
[19:10] <hitmanWilly> depending on how crappy your connection is
[19:10] <Jahromeo> can someone share their sources.list
[19:10] <Jahromeo> so i can atleast get into adept
[19:10] <Jahromeo> so that i can force it to use za repos
[19:10] <Lynoure> !source-o-matic
[19:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is not available anymore, please use Software Sources (in your Applications / K menu) to configure your repositories. Do NOT enable "Proposed updates" unless you're willing to test possibly seriously flawed packages.
[19:10] <Lynoure> oh, pity.
[19:10] <hitmanWilly> wow, when did that change...
[19:11] <Jahromeo> where is that?
[19:12] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, well, i'm posting from my gentoo box, and the sources.list on my buntu one is all set up for us archives
[19:12] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: sure, http://pastebin.com/m3901501f
[19:12] <sigma_1234> that info is wrong. software sources is in adept
[19:12] <Jahromeo> i just need to force synaptic to boot
[19:12] <Jahromeo> so i can do something
[19:12] <Jahromeo> if i can get in adept i can make it dl new list
[19:12] <timmy> hey how fo i open pdf on kubuntu
[19:13] <hitmanWilly> !info kpdf
[19:13] <ubotu> kpdf (source: kdegraphics): PDF viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 336 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[19:13] <hitmanWilly> timmy, that ^^
[19:13] <Jahromeo> thanks lynoure
[19:13] <timmy> hitmanWilly: what, its my second day on kubuntu se me as i dont now a shit
[19:14] <BluesKaj> yeah Jahromeo , just 'x" all the sources listed in the manage repositories tab
[19:14] <Jahromeo> adept still doesnt start
[19:14] <Jahromeo> this is bloody weird
[19:14] <BluesKaj> and 3rd party software too
[19:14] <Jahromeo> even with lynoures source list
[19:14] <Jahromeo> it wont go
[19:14] <hitmanWilly> timmy, i wasn't trying to insult you, do you need help installing it?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, install synaptic in the konsole
[19:14] <snarkster> hey you could watch the language tho
[19:15] <sigma_1234> isnt kpdf installed by default?
[19:15] <Jahromeo> im trying apt-get update again
[19:15] <hitmanWilly> nope, optional repo IIRC
[19:15] <Jahromeo> if not ill try that hitman
[19:15] <Jahromeo> is compiz install by default or?
[19:15] <sigma_1234> Jahromeo: perhaps you should try reinstalling kubuntu
[19:15] <Jahromeo> compiz fusion
[19:15] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, no
[19:15] <Jahromeo> pffft im not reinstalling for 1 thing
[19:16] <sigma_1234> !compiz
[19:16] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:16] <Jahromeo> half the fun is pulling me hair out , cussing and fixing it myself so i learn :P
[19:16] <hitmanWilly> Jahromeo, and it can be a pain to set up
[19:16] <Jahromeo> i got compiz to work on my pclinux box
[19:16] <Jahromeo> ./j #compiz-fusion so far theyve been the most helpful channel on freenode
[19:16] <hitmanWilly> cool
[19:16] <sigma_1234> compiz aint that grand in kde
[19:17] <Jahromeo> ghostcube is good with ubuntu as well so any queries even if its not compiz and trhey help :)
[19:17] <hitmanWilly> nice in XFCE tho :)
[19:17] <Jahromeo> you guys are still better than pclinux for helping :)
[19:17] <BluesKaj> well, maybe gnome being kinda ugly makes ppl want to install eyecandy
[19:17] <Jahromeo> its dling 7mb again, after that if no go ill restart - if no go - rebuild synaptic
[19:18] <Jahromeo> i saw neotel laying cable in claremont in cpt the other day  - sigma :)
[19:18] <Jahromeo> never used xcfe
[19:18] <Jahromeo> only gnome and kde for me
[19:19] <Alex135> Anyone know how to get my mic working properly? I have a SupremeFX Sound Card
[19:19] <sigma_1234> yeah i heard about their call rates. looks pretty good. wonder how much the net access will cost
[19:19] <hitmanWilly> meh, I play around with new and different stuff a lot
[19:19] <hitmanWilly> window maker is still my favorite WM so far, tho
[19:19] <Jahromeo> probably too much and its cdma
[19:20] <whabo>  i need help please .. how to you scan for existing wireless networks around you .. instead of typing everything manually??? thank you ( in xubuntu) because i cant seem to find my network) can anyone shed some light?
[19:20] <Jahromeo> It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted.
[19:20] <Jahromeo> You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files.
[19:20] <Jahromeo> You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover
[19:20] <Jahromeo> data from undamaged sections of corrupted files.
[19:20] <sigma_1234> they'll be using that new undersea cable
[19:20] <Jahromeo> same eror with his repos grrr :(
[19:21] <Alex135> How do i get my Microphone input to work?
[19:21] <Jahromeo> www.myadsl.co.za <3
[19:21] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: my "his" you meant mine?
[19:22] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: try  sudo apt-get clean  between, just in case
[19:22] <sigma_1234> alex: fiddle with kmix
[19:22] <sigma_1234> that worked for me
[19:22] <Alex135> sigma_1234: ben there, done that, i have a SupremeFX Sound card, and from what i have been reading that thing doesn't work right with linux  yet
[19:23] <hitmanWilly> well, I'm out, need to go pick up some blank CDs
[19:23] <Jahromeo> ok how do i remove synaptic/adept whatecer its calld
[19:23] <Jahromeo> and reinstall
[19:23] <hitmanWilly> later folks
[19:23] <Jahromeo> yeah lynoure yours :P
[19:24] <sigma_1234> alex: if its not supported moving to linux aint the best idea. how new is the card model?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> Alex135, alsamixer in the konsole and unmute the vol ctrls with the M key
[19:25] <Alex135> sigma_1234: dunno, it came with my Asus Crosshair MB
[19:25] <Alex135> BluesKaj: 1 sec
[19:25] <Jahromeo> how do i uninstall/install synaptic via console in kubuntu?
[19:26] <Jahromeo> or adept if they are diff packages
[19:26] <Alex135> BluesKaj: which one... there are 2 for my mic
[19:26] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, sudo apt-get install filename
[19:26] <ForgeAus> jah apt-get install (or remove) packagename
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Alex135, unmute both, it won't hurt anything :)
[19:27] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: I get confused easily, especially when called "he" :)
[19:27] <Jahromeo> so you're a she then :P ?
[19:27] <Jahromeo> how do i remove adept
[19:27] <Jahromeo> @bluesky
[19:27] <Jahromeo> blueskaj even
[19:27] <ubuntu_> hi all ppl
[19:27] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, yes she is
[19:27] <ForgeAus> sudo apt-get remove adept
[19:27] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: Yes :)
[19:27] <ForgeAus> although I think adept comes in several parts)
[19:28] <Alex135> BluesKaj: how do i tell if its muted or not???
[19:28] <Alex135> BluesKaj: if there is a mm by it?
[19:28] <ForgeAus> you may need to check what the package name of the parts are
[19:28] <ForgeAus> !adept
[19:28] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[19:28] <BluesKaj> Alex135, yes
[19:28] <ubuntu_> how to change nickaname :P?
[19:28] <Jahromeo> one of few i suppose lynoure
[19:28] <BluesKaj> unmuted  has 00
[19:28] <Lynoure> ubuntu_: just type /nick yournewnickhere
[19:29] <mefisto__> uninstall these: adept-manager, adept-installer, adept-updater, adept-notifier, adept-batch
[19:29] <Alex135> k... ill see if it works..
[19:29] <Jahromeo> that link is hardly useful if i cant get into adept forgeaus
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Alex135, the vol ctrls are best set at about 71%
[19:29] <Jahromeo> it wont open
[19:30] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: If you try to start adept with   kdesu adept   on the command line, any errors?
[19:30] <Alex135> BluesKaj: which capture device would i have it set to use?
[19:30] <Jahromeo> how do you remove via console?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, it's not adviseable to remove adept ,it's the default GUI pkg manager in kubuntu
[19:30] <Jahromeo> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 17 20:30:18 2008
[19:31] <Jahromeo> if i do kdesu adept - lyn
[19:31] <Jahromeo> well i cant get into it blueskaj
[19:31] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: ah, that could be the cause then.
[19:31] <Jahromeo> my date according to system tray is correct
[19:31] <Jahromeo> how is adept picking up 1 day ahead of schedule eh
[19:31] <Jahromeo> and how can i change it
[19:31] <Alex135> BluesKaj, which capture device would i have it set to use?
[19:31] <mefisto__> Jahromeo: does it not start at all, or you get an error message?
[19:32] <BluesKaj> Alex135, there should be a vol ctrl for mic
[19:32] <Jahromeo> does not start at all , hourglass turns - then it just dissapears from taskbar - if i do kdesu adept - i get - sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Feb 17 20:30:18 2008
  PCM      Front   Front Li Front Mi  Front Mi Surround  Center
[19:33] <BluesKaj> Alex135, keep going to the right with arrow keys
[19:33] <vlt> Hello. Since the recent big update for kde programs (example line from /var/log/aptitude: [UPGRADE] konqueror-nsplugins 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.3 -> 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.4) nspluginviewer crashes every time. Any known solution?
[19:33] <sigma_1234> check bios time and date
[19:33] <Alex135> BluesKaj, I unmuted Front Mi
[19:33] <mefisto__> Jahromeo: try ctrl-esc, and search for adept. if it's in the list, kill it, then try "adept_manager" from command line and see if there are error messages
[19:34] <Alex135> BluesKaj, I want to try recording and i have several input devices to choose from...
[19:34] <Jahromeo> that works mefisto
[19:34] <BluesKaj> Alex135, unmute all that are relavent ..if you don't have surrounds don't unmute them
[19:34] <Jahromeo> what was the issue?
[19:34] <mefisto__> Jahromeo: sorry, that should be "kdesu adept_manager"
[19:34] <Jahromeo> well it works
[19:35] <Jahromeo> mefisto ctrl esc - kill and run from prompt works
[19:35] <Jahromeo> still wont run from the menu tho
[19:35] <Alex135> BluesKaj, I have surounds, i have several input choices for recording though... i have Front Mic Boost, Mic Boost, Capture, Capture 1, Capture 2, Digital
[19:35] <Jahromeo> seems adept notifier stays open
[19:36] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: timestamp...   try  sudo -K  in a konsole
[19:36] <BluesKaj> Jahromeo, that's cuz you have "updates" since you edited your sources.list
[19:37] <Jahromeo> hmmm ive got something here - when i do kdesu adept etc it gives timestamp issuie if i just do adept_manager it boots
[19:37] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: if that does not help, next easy chance is a restart.  other ways of fixing sudo timestamp issues are more work
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Alex135, do you have just MIC ?
[19:37] <Alex135> no
[19:38] <sourcemaker> how can I unzip files... with files inside "ÄÖÜ" names
[19:38] <Jahromeo> would a restart fix the time stamp issue?
[19:38] <BluesKaj> Alex135, then you'll ahve to experiment to see which mic inputs sound best
[19:38] <Jahromeo> meh im going to try brb
[19:38] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: did you try sudo -K ?
[19:38] <Alex135> BluesKaj, non of them sound at all...
[19:38] <Jahromeo> yes i did
[19:39] <Jahromeo> didndt work
[19:39] <Jahromeo> restarting then we can see
[19:39] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: what did it say?
[19:39] <Jahromeo> nothing
[19:39] <BluesKaj> Alex135, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture,click apply
[19:39] <Jahromeo> jerome@AbadonwareLinux:~$ sudo -K
[19:39] <Jahromeo> jerome@AbadonwareLinux:~$
[19:39] <Jahromeo> restarting
[19:39] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: often that's a good sign, but not if kdesu adept still gave same error
[19:40] <Alex135> still non...
[19:41] <JordanC> Yo dudes, I've got kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386 -- if I install from CD, can I dual-boot?
[19:41] <Liono> my kubuntu os is like some one raped it. some apps dont run some times. i open them and they make me wait for 10 hours. i see the perfomrance monitor and there are 4 or 5 or apps of same name e.g kopate. are "sleeping"      the os is slow and with errors. whats wrong
[19:42] <Jahromeo> k im back
[19:42] <Jahromeo> checking
[19:42] <Jahromeo> ok adept works now
[19:42] <Jahromeo> thanks guys
[19:42] <Lynoure> Liono: funny.
[19:42] <Jahromeo> i know a liono that plays a mud called medievia
[19:42] <JordanC> Liono: Since when did a rape victim make you wait 10 hours?
[19:43] <Liono> :)
[19:43] <Lynoure> Liono: but if we just look at the technical aspects of it, when did it start? Anything changed then? Has this persisted over a boot?
[19:43] <Alex135> brb
[19:43] <sourcemaker> how can I enable german umlauts in kubuntu?
[19:44] <Shrek> I am trying to set up a printer on my system and I am getting an error "There was an error during the CUPS operation: 'server-error-internal-error'." can anyone tell me what would cause such an error?
[19:44] <sourcemaker> unzip is not working
[19:44] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: easiest way probably is to set the region and layout to german
[19:44] <Liono> Lynoure No. i just use it. and yes it some times dont boot too. it gives a black screeen before lauching kde.
[19:44] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: how can I do that?
[19:44] <JordanC> Yo dudes, I've got kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386 -- if I install from CD, can I dual-boot through a GUI or do I have to manually  partition things myself?
[19:45] <Liono> are there any apps or ways to make messed up kubuntu os good?
[19:45] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: K -> System Setting -> Region & Language
[19:45] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: I have done this...
[19:45] <BluesKaj> !cups
[19:45] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[19:46] <mefisto__> sourcemaker: look in keyboard layout, in the same section
[19:46] <SlimGary> salut
[19:46] <Jahromeo> !medibuntu
[19:46] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[19:46] <Alex135> nvm not working.... i give up for now
[19:47] <Lynoure> Liono: plenty, if you install them, or otherwise leave your system exposed. You could start with  chkrootkit, but could be something non-rootkit too, of course.
[19:47] <sourcemaker> mefisto__: Is configured right
[19:48] <BluesKaj> JordanC, I recommend that you DL and install GParted Partition Editor Live bootable cd to do you r partitoning befrehand , then when you boot the live Kubuntu cd the partitions will be ready for use
[19:48] <sourcemaker> mefisto__: when I open the zip file with ark... the filename is wrong
[19:48] <sourcemaker> mefisto__: using the command line is also not working fine
[19:49] <Jahromeo> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list - once i do that will medubuntu automatically always be in my sources.lst?
[19:49] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: depending on where you got the zip, it could have it's name in different encoding, or something.
[19:49] <JordanC> Hmm
[19:49] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: it's compressed from winrar in windows XP
[19:49] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: simple workaround,  mv foobar.zip bettername.zip    :)
[19:50] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: well... the filename of the zip is ok.... but the content files contains filenames with umlauts
[19:50] <Jahromeo> yay adept is crashing again
[19:50] <Jahromeo> how awesome
[19:50] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: Windows does not normally use utf8, I think (but not so up-to-date with MS anymore)
[19:51] <BluesKaj> JordanC, formatting the ext3 partition for linux with GParted is simple and easy , especially if you want to dual boot with windows
[19:51] <JordanC> BluesKaj: It's okay, I'm aware of how to partition, just wondered if it was in-built similar to in Fedora
[19:52] <Jahromeo> holy crap this adept is so unstableeee
[19:52] <ibou> how to open torrent hyperlink from firefox to ktorrent ?
[19:52] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: if the symptom is exactly same, that's a bit weird.. but you could try   sudo -v  instead of reboot.
[19:52] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: anything Adept offers can easily be done on commandline as well.
[19:52] <Jahromeo> its crashing every 2-3 in 5 times i open it
[19:52] <BluesKaj> ibou , do it from ktorrent config
[19:53] <Liono> Lynoure ok. any other?
[19:53] <sourcemaker> Can I use unicode instead of UTF-8?
[19:53] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: I forgot, did you do  sudo apt-get clean  ?
[19:53] <mefisto__> ibou: does firefox ask you what you want to do, when you click the link?
[19:53] <default_op> d3ce1t: it's really down to the repositories you put in it.  some sources conlict with others.
[19:53] <Jahromeo> will apt-clean clear my repo list or what?
[19:53] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: utf8 is unicode...
[19:53] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: hhm.... ok :-)
[19:54] <ibou> mefisto__: yes
[19:54] <Jahromeo> is there anyway i can get synaptic to give me a prompt before i choose to dl?
[19:54] <Jahromeo> like you are choosing to dl 200mb do you wish to continue?
[19:54] <Lynoure> sourcemaker: for more detail (just info, really): http://codesnipers.com/?q=node/80
[19:54] <sourcemaker> Lynoure: thanks
[19:55] <mefisto__> ibou: choose open with... and select "/usr/bin/ktorrent" and if you like tick the box to always open with ktorrent
[19:55] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: it will clean the apt cache of downloaded packages... it's mildly possible that something wonky there could cause adept to crash
[19:55] <default_op> Jahromeo: I've cleaned mine as still retained the list
[19:55] <ibou> mefisto__: ok. How to know that ktorrent is in /usr/bin but not in /bin ?
[19:56] <CaptainFlemingo> whos the project leader of Kubuntu?
[19:56] <ForgeAus> probably same guy that leads ubuntu???
[19:56] <Lynoure> Jahromeo: if your Adept is closed,  does   sudo apt-get update    (which just scans the repositories for their current contents, does not install or upgrade packages)  work ok?
[19:57] <CaptainFlemingo> mark shuttleworth?
[19:57] <default_op> Lamer question.  Can you name KDE menu panels?  ... and where?  they aare being named 'panel' and I can't customise them is they are all set the same name in the control panel
[19:57] <mefisto__> ibou: I think /bin is for system binaries, /usr/bin is for use by users
[19:57] <ForgeAus> or gal as the case may be
[19:57] <ForgeAus> CF I have no idea personally I'm just guessing
[19:57] <Lynoure> default_op: I haven't noticed any way to name them. So I have Main Panel and two Panels
[19:58] <default_op> d3ce1t: untick pre-release if you have it on as that will push beta content into your machine
[19:58] <ibou> mefisto__: thanks it works
[19:58] <default_op> Lynoure: but you then can't customise the the panels without them all being affected
[19:59] <BluesKaj> !mark shuttleworth
[19:59] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[19:59] <Lynoure> default_op: you can!
[19:59] <Lynoure> default_op: just you'll need to keep track of them and not rely on the names
[19:59] <Lynoure> default_op: Don't think I'd have one Main Panel and two _identical_ Panels, do you? :)
[20:01] <default_op> Lynoure: so you're limited to two all up
[20:01] <Lynoure> default_op: if you choose Configure Panel from the panel in question, you'll get settings for that panel
[20:01] <default_op> k
[20:01] <Lynoure> default_op: no, I told you, twice now, that I have three
[20:01] <default_op> k
[20:01] <Lynoure> default_op: Main Panel, and two called Panel
[20:02] <Lynoure> default_op: I think you can easily have 9, if you really really want, haven't needed more that 3 myself.
[20:02] <afrol> Hello - I'm in the process of reverting back to packages from kde 4 svn since it was taking up too much space with the new qt-copy. Do I want the kde4* packages that have versions like 3.94... or the kdebase / kdeworkspace packages that have versions like 4:4.0.1?
[20:03] <emilsedgh> !aptoncd
[20:03] <ubotu> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[20:03] <default_op> Lynoure: the problem is when I goto edit the manu in properties, it defaults toMain panel.  So when I pick panel it's defining the second not the new third.
[20:03] <BluesKaj> break time
[20:03] <emilsedgh> !aptoncd > Linux-lover
[20:03] <romeo1> what do you do when people send you mixed messages?
[20:03] <Lynoure> default_op: simple solution, always go through the panel in question
[20:04] <Lynoure> default_op: sure, could be better UI, but is not, maybe in KDE4 eventually it will.
[20:05] <default_op> Lynoure: ok thanks.  I actually think it's fantastic so far.  in Vista or XP I didn't like having panels here and there, but I find the applets in these panesl very useful
[20:05] <Lynoure> default_op: if you just tried adding panels, and they don't seem to exist, try restarting kicker  dcop kicker kicker restart
[20:05] <vlt> Hello. When a user logs in via XDMCP I want to store the source IP somewhere for further usage. Any idea? Some grepping on `last`? And where to put such command?
[20:05] <default_op> ok thanks
[20:06] <Lynoure> default_op: I had that problem when I added these first time, but I suppose things might have gotton improved meanwhile :)
[20:06] <Lynoure> vlt: it's not in your /var/log/auth.log ?
[20:07] <vlt> Lynoure: I'll check ...
[20:09] <default_op> Lynoure: I hope KDE4 will finially get the full features and more of KDE3.
[20:09] <Lynoure> default_op: I'm sure it eventually will. Just patience (or contribution) meanwhile.
[20:09] <default_op> Lynoure: If I'm correct in saying, K4 doesn't yet allow you t add parts tot he panel?
[20:11] <Lynoure> default_op: I've only tried the beta briefly... I have the current kubuntu kde4, but I rarely play with it (it makes me feel quilty for not being active in Basket)
[20:12] <vlt> Lynoure: auth.log contains many many lines. Maybe I get a more accurate result from `last`. But where to put a command that should be run when the user logs in?
[20:13] <snarkster> wth cant i paste files in dolphin?
[20:13] <mefisto__> snarkster: do you have write permission in the dir you are pasting?
[20:13] <weedar> I just installed Gutsy, but want to try Hardy Heron, can I just change all references to gutsy into hardy in my sources.list ?
[20:14] <snarkster> mefisto__: yah my home folder.
[20:14] <default_op> Lynoure: Thanks, the restart worked and now I can adjust the panel in particular.  thx.
[20:15] <Lynoure> vlt: it could be in any multiple places. Too tired to think much... For my own using I'd probably be lazy and just grep the logs
[20:16] <romeo1> i feel like breaking glass why can't i?
[20:17] <vlt> Lynoure: Yes, but when? How to trigger a log analyzing?
[20:18] <vlt> I don't want to run it as a minute cronjob ;)
[20:18] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[20:19] <mefisto__> can I just reinstall the standard ati driver to revert?
[20:19] <Lynoure> vlt: I stand by my "too tired to think much", still.
[20:19] <vlt> Lynoure: ok
[20:19] <vlt> :)
[20:20] <sourcemaker> is there a kubuntu update for openoffice 2.3.1?
[20:21] <romeo1> i was rude and bad mouthed others and was paranoid when i went out and i think people are calling police on me or will if i come out again what to do? :D thank you
[20:21] <Lynoure> vlt: auth.log should have the ip and something like pam_unix(xdm:session): session opened for user foobar   , you can grep that log to be a separate log whenever you want, cron, at, manually, make a little daemon to do it, anything :)
[20:22] <Lynoure> vlt: Depends all on your needs, like how realtime you need it.
[20:23] <Lynoure> romeo1: that joke is getting old. Seriously, try ##offtopic or something
[20:23] <hydrogen> try ##/dev/null
[20:23] <vlt> Lynoure: The most obvious solution for me was to grep it once, right when the user logs in. Isn't there a start script where I could insert such a command?
[20:24] <Lynoure> vlt: If you have checked and found out there is, that's a good place :) But where would it tell that, realtime?
[20:26] <weedar> Anyone know how I can upgrade my gutsy to hardy heron? :)
[20:26] <vlt> Lynoure: The "start script" could run a curl command to the http server (that is the one that later needs this information) ...
[20:28] <Lynoure> vlt: Sounds like a plan.
[20:28] <arcticpenguin380> !games
[20:28] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[20:30] <vlt> Lynoure: The only thing I need to know is: Where to put such an autostart command that is executed when a user logs in?
[20:30] <Lynoure> vlt: I'd still be lazier... just syslog the auth.log also to the remote machine, grep it there with a script, cgi or whatever, at displaytime.
[20:30] <DasDoo> Silly question - Is there a restricted driver manager in Kubuntu 7.10
[20:30] <weedar> DasDoo: There is
[20:31] <DasDoo> where?
[20:31] <snarkster> ttyl
[20:31] <Lynoure> vlt: What steps have you taken to find your start command? I bet that if your wakeful google-fu has not found any, mine will not either.
[20:32] <hydrogen> vit: .kde/Autostart
[20:32] <hydrogen> or .kde3/AutoStart
[20:32] <hydrogen> or .kde4/Autostart
[20:32] <DasDoo> weedar, ?
[20:32] <weedar> DasDoo: Hm, I can't find it in the K-menu, but it did start on my first boot so I know it's there. somewhere...
[20:33] <DasDoo> Anyone know if there is a restricted driver manager
[20:33] <weedar> DasDoo: There is, I told you. Just run "restricted-manager-kde" from a console window
[20:33] <hydrogen> or from alt-f2
[20:33] <hydrogen> or from alt-space
[20:33] <hydrogen> or from the k menu...
[20:34] <hydrogen> konsoles are so ten years ago
[20:35] <mefisto__> DasDoo: it should be in system settings, advanced tab
[20:35] <Lynoure> hydrogen: but that's for each user, not really very usable if there is loads of them... and permissions can be a problem. If one decides to use that location, then  w  is a better command that giving just about any user right to auth.log
[20:36] <Lynoure> hydrogen: sorry, just thought, vlt's problem, not mine
[20:36] <lorddemon666> hi, i'm moving my kubuntu 6.10 linux from desktop linux to laptop. main difference betweeen those machines is that desktop pc has nvidia graphics, while laptop has intel x3100 graphics. xorg works on laptop only with 'vesa' driver. i've only done 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel'. what driver should i use in xorg.conf?
[20:36] <DasDoo> weedar, its actually jockey-kde
[20:37] <hydrogen> Lynoure: $KDEDIR (/usr/share/kde/Autostart)
[20:37] <DasDoo> weedar, thanks very much though
[20:37] <DasDoo> =)
[20:37] <weedar> DasDoo: np ;-)
[20:37] <Lynoure> hydrogen: oh, yes, there is that.
[20:40] <vlt> hydrogen, Lynoure: I'll try, thanks.
[20:42] <mefisto__> can I create a .deb to install a patched video driver, instead of installing with make install? I want to be able to uninstall it if it doesn't work
[20:47] <Paradigm_Shift> Hello
[20:48] <Paradigm_Shift> I have a quick question regarding some RAM I added that my BIOS sees but kubuntu does not
[20:49] <Paradigm_Shift> I had 2GB and added 2 GB more. Bios shows total RAM of 4096 but kubuntu still only refelcts 2 GB
[20:50] <Paradigm_Shift> not sure what I can do to get kubuntu to see the added RAM or even if there is anything I can do
[20:50] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: There used to be a kernel limit... I think it's just a switch now...
[20:51] <Paradigm_Shift> oh
[20:51] <Paradigm_Shift> how can I set the switch???
[20:51] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, do I need to compile the kernel by hand?
[20:52] <jhutchins> Don't think so.
[20:52] <jhutchins> It's either an optional kernel or a kernel option...
[20:52] <Paradigm_Shift> ok. Not sure how to set the options. Do you know?
[20:52] <Paradigm_Shift> or where to find the optional kernel
[20:53] <Paradigm_Shift> ???
[20:53] <jhutchins> Looking..
[20:53] <jhutchins> Where do you _not_ see the ram?
[20:54] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, if I run the kubuntu device database tool from the system menu and from superkaramba applets that show system resources
[20:54] <shadowhywind> how would one upgrade from fiesty to gutsy from the console?
[20:55] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: How much does it show?
[20:55] <Paradigm_Shift> the 2GB I already had
[20:55] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, http://www.skolelinux.org/~klaus/sarge/x2003.html - might give a clue
[20:55] <jhutchins> shadowhywind: This may tell you : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[20:55] <Paradigm_Shift> thanks ere4si
[20:56] <shadowhywind> thanks
[20:56] <ere4si> k
[20:57] <Paradigm_Shift> hmmmmm
[20:58] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: See what kernels are available.
[20:58] <Paradigm_Shift> in Adept?
 d3ce1t: untick pre-release if you have it on as that will push beta content into your machine ¿?¿? what??
[21:00] <d3ce1t> default_op:  ping
[21:00] <jhutchins> Hey, I just installed 2 512's and I only show 512!
[21:00] <jhutchins> Oh, no, that's an ssh session.
[21:00] <jussi01> hehe
[21:00] <jhutchins> No, local shows 512, ssh is 128 (should upgrade that too...
[21:01] <jhutchins> is there a way to tell if a NIC is in 10 or 100M mode?
[21:02] <patrick__> !adeptfix
[21:02] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:02] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, I am not sure where I need to look for the kenel or even what I am looking for exactly
[21:02] <scjp_> hello, everybody
[21:02] <mefisto__> Paradigm_Shift: I think adding mem=4g might work. try putting it in grub menu at boot, and if it works, edit menu.lst to make it permanent (add mem=4g to # defoptions line)
[21:02] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: what does uname -h tell you?
[21:03] <scjp_> i just installed the oracle-xe but i want to uninstall completely from the system, so when i install it again,  it will not find any previous installations on pc
[21:03] <scjp_> ?
[21:03] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins uname -h tells me that -h is an invalid option
[21:03] <jhutchins> Well, I gotta reboot and figure this out...
[21:03] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: Sorry, -m for machine
[21:03] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins, np and thanks!
[21:04] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins the result is i686
[21:04] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: what cpu do you have?
[21:04] <arcticpenguin380> what is kubuntu packages optimized for?
[21:04] <Paradigm_Shift> I have a dual core AMD 3800 X2 (939 socket)
[21:04] <Paradigm_Shift> the system identifies that correctly - even the dual core part
[21:05] <jhutchins> the 2.4 kernel had a limit, and reserved 1GB for the kernel even in large memory mode...
[21:05] <jhutchins> Paradigm_Shift: ok, you should probably be running an smp kernel then.  Does uname -a say anythnig about smp?
[21:06] <jhutchins> arcticpenguin380: Pretty much everything's cross-compiled these days.
[21:06] <jhutchins> arcticpenguin380: So it doesn't matter, the software will adapt itself to the system.
[21:06] <jhutchins> Ok, power down now.
[21:06] <Paradigm_Shift> jhutchins uname -a = 2.6.22-14-386 #1 Tue Feb 12 07:12:19 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[21:07] <arcticpenguin380> ok
[21:08] <Ouranos999> can someone help me to go on kubuntu-fr??
[21:09] <aleksanteri> /join #kubuntu-fr
[21:11] <lorddemon666> scjp_: try removing /etc/oratab
[21:12] <scjp_> lorddemon666, what is inside oratab, if i will remove that file then it will not pick up the same installation again when i install it
[21:12] <lorddemon666> scjp_: it tells oracle what database instances has been installed on this unix device
[21:13] <Paradigm_Shift> does anyone know which kernel image listed in Adept supports SMP?
[21:13] <default_op> d3ce1t: well the pre-release means that yoiu maybe offered updates to software that haven't been rated release to public status, other words they could be bugged..  Bugs may include not installing properly and compatibility with other software in general
[21:13] <romunov> if i create a file.txt, i keep getting a file called samefilename.txt~ in the directory. this latter file never disappears. what's up?
[21:14] <lorddemon666> scjp_: it is text file. if you don't have any other oracle instances (ie. oracle 9i) on the same machine it is safe to delete it after uninstall
[21:14] <mefisto__> romunov: it's just a backup when you edit and save the .txt file
[21:14] <scjp_> lorddemon666, so i will do that sudo apt-get remove oracle-xe and then i will remove the oratab, Next time when i will install the oracle it will not pick the files and do the new installation
[21:15] <scjp_> lorddemon666, is that rite becoz i removed oracle and then installed it again but it just picked up the old files and there is no oracle-xe file so that i can configure it
[21:15] <mefisto__> romunov: you can tell the text editor to not make the backups if you want, in settings
[21:16] <lorddemon666> scjp_: i think so, i've done some reinstallations of oracle-xe, and i remeber that /etc/oratab had to be removed every time
[21:16] <patrick__> !adeptfix
[21:16] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:16] <d3ce1t> default_op: yes, i know that but why do you tell me? xD
[21:17] <default_op> d3ce1t: arr becuase you said earlier that you thought Apedt was too buggy
[21:17] <d3ce1t> default_op: I think you was talking with other person :)
[21:17] <default_op> Adept
[21:17] <romunov> mefisto__: thanks, i'll try that
[21:17] <default_op> well it went public
[21:17] <patrick__> Is there a way to get updates?
[21:17] <patrick__> like force it to check?
[21:17] <default_op> hehe
[21:18] <d3ce1t> but not a problem haha :P
[21:18] <lorddemon666> anyone here using intel graphics?
[21:18] <mefisto__> patrick__: "sudo apt-get update" will refresh the sources, then "sudo apt-get upgrade" to install any updates found
[21:19] <patrick__> thanks
[21:19] <lorddemon666> i have a new laptop with intel, and i'm having trouble with running accelerated graphics in X
[21:20] <Paradigm_Shift> wouldn't that be "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for all updates????
[21:21] <tekteen> Paradigm_Shift: no
[21:21] <Paradigm_Shift> ok
[21:21] <tekteen> that is to upgrade to a new version of ubuntu
[21:21] <mefisto__> yes, if you see a message saying packages have been held back, you need dist-upgrade
[21:21] <tekteen> really?
[21:21] <scjp_> lorddemon666, i installed the oracle but i cannot run the /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure becoz oracle-xe file doesnt exist
[21:21] <Liono> what are admin tools for kubuntu?
[21:22] <scjp_> lorddemon666, what should i do ?
[21:22] <nick_> what
[21:22] <mefisto__> tekteen: man apt-get explains
[21:22] <tekteen> ok
[21:23] <nick_> lorddemon666: please change your name... it isn't cool, it is just stupid
[21:23] <Paradigm_Shift> is the server kernal image the right one to get smp????
[21:23] <arcticpenguin380> is JFS better than ext3 with lots of files in a directory?
[21:25] <Paradigm_Shift> I am SOOOOOO confused  :-[
[21:25] <mefisto__> nick_: what are you talking about?
[21:25] <nick_> i am talking about his stupid name
[21:25] <nick_> thanks
[21:25] <nick_> much better
[21:26] <mefisto__> ?
[21:27] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, try this for a guide - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel
[21:27] <jimmy_> I'm using kde 3.5 on ubuntu 7.10 but want to try out kde4, is there a simple way of installing it as I'm a bit of a newbie?
[21:27] <ld> scjp_: did you encounter any message during installation of oracle-xe package? /etc/init.d/oracle* was always there when i reinstalled the package
[21:27] <Paradigm_Shift> thanks ere4si!
[21:27] <ere4si> k
[21:27] <ld> scjp_: any error message i meant
[21:27] <scjp_> lorddemon666, ??
[21:28] <scjp_> ld, no error messages at all
[21:28] <ld> scjp_: and /etc/init.d/oracle* is missing?
[21:28] <scjp_> ld, just successfully installed and run /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure  to configure it
[21:28] <scjp_> ld, yep oracle-xe is missing
[21:29] <Liono> at where can i see screen lock and unlock logs?
[21:29] <ld> scjp_: can you do: su - oracle; sqlplus /nolog;    ?
[21:30] <markit> is there a dedicated channle for Hardy?
[21:30] <scjp_> ld, when i enter su - oracle, ask me for a password
[21:30] <_charlie> I am back
[21:30] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, not sure if custom compiling is going to work, or even which modules I need to enable 4GB of RAM being recognised
[21:31] <ld> scjp_: during installation you should create oracle account, now you should know the password
[21:31] <ld> scjp_: if you don't remember, you can change the password as root
[21:31] <scjp_> ld, but that you do it when you enter the command oracle-xe configure
[21:32] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, it's something that has come up several times lately and haven't seen a proper fix yet but don't loose hope
[21:32] <Paradigm_Shift> :)
[21:32] <markit> I've upgraded Hardy some days ago, and seems is unable to stop services, so shoutdown fails (last forever), is it known bug? how to fix it?
[21:33] <scjp_> ld, there is no oracle-xe  command so that i can configure it and enter the ports, that kind of thing
[21:33] <scjp_> ~pastebin
[21:33] <jpatrick> !pastebin
[21:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:33] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, thanks. I just added 2GB of RAM and I am dying to see if kubuntu goes from a pup to a greyhound!
[21:33] <mefisto__> Paradigm_Shift: did you try adding mem=4G at boot in the grub menu?
[21:33] <Paradigm_Shift> mefisto, not yet
[21:34] <ld> scjp_: does the linux account 'oracle' exist?
[21:34] <Paradigm_Shift> mefisto, so at GRUB menu I hit "e" to edit and just type mem=4g and hit enter?
[21:34] <Paradigm_Shift> "mem=4g"
[21:34] <scjp_> ld,  http://rifers.org/paste/show/6690 <-------------
[21:34] <mefisto__> Paradigm_Shift: yes, in the kernel line
[21:35] <Paradigm_Shift> I will try
[21:35] <sigve> Hi, can anyone help me getting sound to work in rdesktop?
[21:35] <Paradigm_Shift> <arnold voice>I'll be back</arnold voice>
[21:36] <scjp_> ld, ???
[21:36] <ld> scjp_: just a sec
[21:38] <Liono> at where can i see screen lock and unlock logs?
[21:40] <ld> scjp_: i personally haven't experienced the issue you're having now (missing /etc/init.d/ora*). i've experienced some similiar situations, ie scripts don't work. in many of these situation internal oracle tools do work.
[21:41] <ld> scjp_: i'm trying to tell you how to use these internal tool to startup your database
[21:41] <scjp_> ld, yes ofcourse but before starting up database, i need to configure the ports, password
[21:42] <scjp_> ld, without that i will not be able to do anything at all
[21:42] <ld> scjp_: port for listener is in $ORA_HOME/network/admin/listener.ora
[21:43] <ld> scjp_: passwords for unix accounts can be changed by root (i assume you have root access)
[21:44] <ld> scjp_: if you follow my commands and give me any error messages that you see, maybe we will be able to start your database
[21:45] <Paradigm_Shift> :( mem=4g is not giving me the love
[21:45] <romeo1> bonsaikitten have you ever gone through the where people come out in grocery store or shops on purpose or to just break rules and show off? what if you were a minority and did that? just because you don't like them
[21:45] <scjp_> ld, okei that will be good
[21:45] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, found this - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/only-2gb-our-of-4gb-ram-detected-614801/
[21:45] <ld> scjp_: first of all you should login to linux oracle account, do it by 'su - oracle'
[21:45] <scjp_> ld, great thing is that there is no listener.ora as welll
[21:46] <midvalley> How do you find a SATA windows second HD with Kubuntu on your master?
[21:46] <scjp_> ld, then
[21:46] <scjp_> ?
[21:47] <midvalley> I'm reasonably familiar with Grub. I'm having trouble finding the drive itself.
[21:47] <scjp_> ld, i am in the oracle now,
[21:48] <ld> scjp_: i was telling you pathnames from memory, i could make a mistake. we will adress this if some error messag will push us to it
[21:48] <ld> scjp_: try 'sqlplus /nolog'
[21:49] <scjp_> ld, sqlplus:  command not found
[21:49] <ere4si> midvalley, it should be listed in /dev if it was connected at boot
[21:50] <Liono> any body knows at where can i see screen lock and unlock logs? in kubuntu
[21:50] <mefisto__> midvalley: does "sudo fdisk -l" show it?
[21:50] <midvalley> nah
[21:51] <midvalley> Liono: was that you who said that? :P
[21:51] <ld> scjp_: do you have ORACLE_HOME evironment variable set?
[21:51] <midvalley> sudo fdisk -l does not show anything
[21:51] <scjp_> ld, yes i do
[21:51] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, thank you for that link. It looks like I will have to re-install a 64bit version. Oy! 8.04 is a few weeks away, as so I guess I will just reinstall then.
[21:52] <ere4si> Paradigm_Shift, some have probs with the 64bit because apps are mostly 32bit
[21:52] <ld> try '$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog'
[21:52] <mefisto__> midvalley: not even your linux partition?
[21:53] <ld> scjp_: try '$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog'
[21:53] <luxon> jenny
[21:53] <Paradigm_Shift> ere4si, WAH!!!!!
[21:53] <scjp_> ld, okie i am in the sql plus
[21:53] <ere4si> :)
[21:53] <scjp_> now
[21:54] <midvalley> mefisto__: It shows my linux partion but that's it, I meant negative on showing the ntfs partition.
[21:54] <ld> scjp_: type in: 'startup;' and hit enter
[21:55] <scjp_> ld, ORA-01031: insufficient privileges ?
[21:55] <luxon> ubuntu
[21:55] <frustrated> guys this is too much! shift and backspace kills my entire X session
[21:55] <frustrated> ive lost work twice like this
[21:55] <frustrated> !!!!
[21:56] <frustrated> excuse me very much for pressing shift and backspace by accident
[21:56] <ld> scjp_: sorry, you firstly have to log in as sysdba, try 'conn sys/SYS_PASSWD as sysdba'
[21:56] <ld> scjp_: SYS_PASSWD is password for 'sys' oracle user
[21:57] <frustrated> unbeliveable for a product that wants to compete win M$
[21:57] <prince_jammys> frustrated: did you look in the keyboard shortcut options?
[21:57] <frustrated> alright someone tell me how to disable shift and backspace from killing my x session?
[21:59] <prince_jammys> frustrated: what happens if you do shift f1
[21:59] <frustrated2> i dont know
[21:59] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: if it makes you disappear, try shift f7
[21:59] <frustrated2> guess what i just pressed shift backspace again and got booted and LOST MORE WORK
[22:00] <Liono> how can i log all  "screen lockings" + "unlocking events"
[22:00] <scjp_> ld, ORA-12705: Cannot access NLS data files or invalid environment specified ?
[22:01] <Liono> can some one tell some system admin tools?
[22:01] <ld> scjp_: after you do 'su - oracle', what does the command 'env | grep ORA' return?
[22:02] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: what happened
[22:02] <frustrated2> again pressed shift and backspace
[22:02] <frustrated2> its unbeleviable
[22:02] <frustrated2> who is the moron that thought this was ok
[22:02] <frustrated2> ???
[22:02] <scjp_> ld, nothing
[22:03] <frustrated2> and why the hack does vmware stop all the virtual machines
[22:03] <frustrated2> when X dies
[22:03] <frustrated2> i thought vmware supposed to run them as a deamon
[22:03] <frustrated2> damn crap
[22:03] <romeo1> can people call the police on you for giving them silent treatment or ignoring them or doing my own thing? and is it illegal or threatening to suddenly change your forehead to close together? how to not? :D thank you
[22:03] <jussi01> frustrated2: ok, dont press shift backspace, then
[22:03] <frustrated2> yea not so easy dude when you type fast
[22:03] <frustrated2> how about a warning before killing the X session
[22:03] <frustrated2> before all the work you have is lost
[22:03] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: do shift + F1, and then shift + F7 or ctrl -alt f7 if you disappear
[22:04] <midvalley> frustrated2: that would upset hard core users
[22:04] <anon32> Is it possible to use more than 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit system?
[22:04] <anon32> I know you can in Windows.
[22:04] <midvalley> frustrated2: most people never ever encounter the problem you do.
[22:04] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: shift+f1
[22:04] <midvalley> 3~3~3~3~3~
[22:04] <jussi01> frustrated2: system settings, keyboard and mouse, keyboard shortcuts, then go change the logout without confirmation shortcut
[22:04] <frustrated2> whats shift + f1 do ... will i get logged out again
[22:04] <ld> scjp_: it is inconsistent with what previously happened. i asked you to run $ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus and you could do it, now you're telling me that there is no variable with ORA in its name
[22:04] <frustrated2> ok jussie01 ill try that
[22:04] <prince_jammys> try it
[22:04] <ld> scjp_: it is inconsistent with what previously happened. i asked you to run $ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus and you could do it, now you're telling me that there is no variable with ORA in its name
[22:05] <jussi01> !tab > frustrated2
[22:05] <frustrated2> no thanks prince_jammy im restarting all my VMs here and dont need them to stop
[22:05] <ld> scjp_: first 'su - oracle', then 'env | grep ORA'
[22:05] <scjp_> ld, yep thats what happened ! http://rifers.org/paste/show/6691 <----- this is the way i setup the path
[22:05] <mefisto__> midvalley: does ls /dev/sd?? show you more than your linux partitions?
[22:06] <frustrated2> guess what i dont even have shift bkspace defined
[22:07] <frustrated2> and it is still doing that
[22:07] <frustrated2> damn nvidia probably their bug in their damn driver
[22:07] <jussi01> !ohmy | frustrated2:
[22:07] <ubotu> frustrated2:: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:07] <ld> scjp_: ok. after you do 'su - oracle', what result is given by command 'echo $ORACLE_HOME'?
[22:07] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: it seems to be acting like ctrl+alt+backspace
[22:07] <scjp_> ld, i cannot do su - oracle,  i can use sudo su - oracle, ok then i can do anything
[22:08] <Paradigm_Shift> :| man, I don't think I am ready to try and build my own kernel. It feels like swimming over the Marianas trench wearing a lead wet suit
[22:08] <Paradigm_Shift> the sinking will last a looooooooooooooooooooong time
[22:08] <midvalley> frustrated2: probably some kind of backdoor so that they could get out.
[22:08] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: which is why i wanted to see if shift +f1 acts like ctrl alt f1, which would give you a terminal
[22:08] <frustrated2> auughh so much for expecting this OS to be better then windows... oh well ill have to live with this for now... ahhhhhahhh
[22:08] <midvalley> frustrated2: .. >>
[22:09] <midvalley> midvalley: one shortcut you don't like and it's sub winblows?
[22:09] <scjp_> ld, okie after i login as oracle@localhost: i enter the command echo $ORACLE_HOME and i am geting nothing in return
[22:09] <ld> scjp_: 'sudo su - oracle' is the same as 'su - oracle' done by root. that is ok.
[22:09] <frustrated2> shift f2 does nothing
[22:09] <frustrated2> i mean shift f1
[22:09] <prince_jammys> ok
[22:09] <prince_jammys> that settles that
[22:10] <scjp_> ld, okie after i login as oracle@localhost: i enter the command echo $ORACLE_HOME and i am geting nothing in return
[22:10] <ld> scjp_: that is bad... oracle internal tools require some environment variables set. one of them is ORACLE_HOME
[22:10] <midvalley> how can I detect my second drive? it's sata ntfs.
[22:10] <frustrated2> ok anyone know how to make vmware run the vms regardless of X
[22:10] <frustrated2> i want the vms to stay running even if X quite all of the sudne
[22:10] <frustrated2> sudne
[22:11] <frustrated2> suden damn cant use backspace
[22:11] <scjp_> ld, i setup in the .bashrc file long time ago it was like "ORACLE_HOME=/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server
[22:11] <scjp_> "
[22:11] <ld> scjp_: if it is not by default then try setting it to your oracle installation directory
[22:11] <prince_jammys> frustrated2: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-202654.html
[22:12] <frustrated2> thanks prince_jammys that seems like the solution
[22:12] <ld> scjp_: it sounds good
[22:12] <frustrated2> although it should never have happend in the first place
[22:12] <prince_jammys> now we can go back to being better than windows
[22:12] <anon32> Is it possible to use more than 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit system?
[22:12] <anon32> I know you can in Windows.
[22:12] <frustrated2> and this is annoying
[22:12] <frustrated2> and i lost my vms
[22:12] <midvalley> anon32: I know you can't in vista
[22:12] <ere4si> anon32, read this - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/only-2gb-our-of-4gb-ram-detected-614801/
[22:13] <scjp_> ld, i mean when i am login as a normal user to computer not like "sudo -su oracle " then i enter the $ORACLE_HOME and get message with proper path where oracle_home is installed
[22:13] <mefisto__> frustrated2: if you don't want/need the shortcut at all, you can add this to xorg.conf in serverflags section: Option "DontZap" "on"
[22:13] <ld> scjp_: but when 'env | grep ORA' is run as oracle, it should print some variables
[22:13] <midvalley> Is there any simple way or program that I can use to detect an NTFS drive?
[22:13] <anon32> ere4si, I said more than
[22:14] <mefisto__> midvalley: qtparted or gparted might show it
[22:14] <midvalley> I don't need to write to it, or even read it, I just need it so I can add it to the bootloader
[22:14] <midvalley> mefisto__: Thanks :D
[22:14] <ere4si> anon32: if it won't work with 4 than for "more than"...
[22:14] <anon32> I never said it doesn't work with 4... I want to use 8
[22:15] <ld> scjp_: ok i see. proper oracle installation requires that at least oracle account has environment properly set. in your case the normal user has the envinronment set, but oracle account does not.
[22:15] <ere4si> anon32: read it again
[22:15] <scjp_> ld, yes true it doesnot print anything, actually i am not 100% sure that oracle is completely installed properly on the machine, this is why i want to completely remove everything which includes oracle from the pc and want to do a fresh installation if it's possible
[22:15] <anon32> ere4si, what about it?
[22:16] <midvalley> mefisto__: Unfortunately qtparted didn't show it :(.
[22:16] <mefisto__> midvalley: ls /dev/sd*
[22:17] <midvalley> mefisto__: I'll try that :)
[22:17] <ld> scjp_: if oracle-xe package was installed successfully then i think oracle should be usable. in my experience there are only problems with environment variables and some configuration files.
[22:18] <scjp_> ld, okie boss then you are rite
[22:18] <scjp_> ld, how should i setup the envoirment variables for oracle user
[22:18] <ld> scjp_: try to make oracle account have set ORACLE_HOME=/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server and ORACLE_SID=XE
[22:19] <scjp_> ld, what do you mean by oracle account, means adding him as a new user ?
[22:20] <midvalley> mefisto__: I got /dev/sda /"/sda1 /"/sd /"/sdaa
[22:20] <midvalley> sorry lol
[22:20] <ld> scjp_: oracle account should be linux account named 'oracle'
[22:20] <scjp_> ld, okie
[22:20] <midvalley> /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5
[22:20] <Liono> how can i do scripting in linux?
[22:20] <midvalley> mefisto__: which was the same readout as my fdisk -l
[22:20] <scjp_> ld, how should i do that ?
[22:21] <ld> scjp_: setup of env vars is done by editing /home/oracle/.bash_profile
[22:21] <anon32> Liono, write a text file with each line containing a valid shell command
[22:21] <mefisto__> midvalley: and the ntfs partition is on a separate physical disk?
[22:21] <midvalley> mefisto__: Yeah, they're both SATA
[22:22] <mefisto__> midvalley: could it have been disconnected accidentally? does bios detect it?
[22:22] <ld> scjp_: if you want every user having access to oracle-xe then you should edit /etc/profile
[22:22] <scjp_> ld, how should i add the newuser addnew something like ?
[22:22] <midvalley> mefisto__: I don't think so it looked pretty secure, I could try that though.
[22:22] <midvalley> mefisto__: If it is secure what would you suggest I try next?
[22:23] <rufus> how can I run "Plasmoids"?
[22:23] <mefisto__> midvalley: see if bios can find it to confirm it's connected ok. other than that, I don't know
[22:23] <ld> scjp_: you told me that you could do 'su - oracle', so there is no need to add account 'oracle'
[22:23] <midvalley> mefisto__: Alright thanks :)
[22:23] <ld> scjp_: only thing left is setting evn vars
[22:24] <rufus> anyone know?
[22:24] <scjp_> ld, boss in this machine there is no user called oracle added it,
[22:26] <ld> scjp_: so you manually created 'oracle' linux account?
[22:26] <scjp_> ld, okie tried to create and it say user already exist
[22:26] <frustrated4> anyway after being booted from X
[22:26] <frustrated4> so many times
[22:26] <scjp_> ld, that is fine by me but
[22:26] <frustrated4> the solution is actually this:
[22:26] <frustrated4> xmodmap -e ‘keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server’
[22:26] <scjp_> ld, now cannot find the /home/oracle/.bashrc
[22:27] <frustrated4> and if i find the developer who thought this was a good feature... ill give him or her a good kick in the butt
[22:27] <ld> scjp_: that user should have existed after installing oracle. it is good.
[22:27] <frustrated4> more info here:
[22:27] <frustrated4> http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/11/13/disable-shift-backspace-restarting-xgl/
[22:28] <scjp_> ld, okie but there is no file called /home/oracle/.bashrc file
[22:28] <ld> scjp_: you should add to profile (the file is /home/oracle/.bash_profile) lines like those: 'export ORACLE_HOME='/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server'
[22:28] <rufus> !plasmoids
[22:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about plasmoids - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:28] <rufus> !find plasmoid
[22:29] <ubotu> Package/file plasmoid does not exist in gutsy
[22:29] <ld> scjp_: give me a sec, i want those paths and filenames accurate for you and i need to do same checks
[22:29] <scjp_> ld, but there is no profile file, i cannot even see the oracle user folder,i can see the other users folder
[22:30] <ld> scjp_: you mean that there is no /home/oracle folder?
[22:30] <scjp_> ld, yes
[22:32] <ld> scjp_: maybe oracle account has been assingned different folder, not one of /home/ descendands
[22:32] <scjp_> ld, anyway to locate the oracle user then ?
[22:33] <ld> try as root 'cat /etc/passwd | grep oracle'. DO NOT PASTE RESULTS HERE
[22:34] <hydrogen> err
[22:34] <hydrogen> grep oracle /etc/passwd
[22:34] <ld> scjp_: it should print a line of records separated by colon (:)
[22:34] <hydrogen> extra pipes make the hydrogen cry
[22:35] <ld> scjp_: the one but last is the home directory
[22:35] <scjp_> ld, okie the command you gave it doesnt work but "grep oracle /etc/passwd" works
[22:36] <rufus> everytime I try to compile something, I get an error
[22:36] <rufus> C compiler can not make executables
[22:36] <rufus> how can I fix this?
[22:36] <crimsun_> rufus: sudo apt-get --reinstall install build-essential
[22:36] <scjp_> ld, okie now i got the results  ?
[22:36] <ld> scjp_: results should look like: jekyll:x:1001:1001::/home/jekyll:/bin/sh
[22:37] <scjp_> ld, yep it is
[22:37] <ld> scjp_:  /home/jekyll is the home directory for jekyll account
[22:38] <ld> scjp_: do you know oracle home directory now?
[22:38] <scjp_> ld, but here it say   "       oracle:x:1000:1000::/usr/lib/oracle/xe:/bin/bash "
[22:38] <hydrogen>  /usr/lib/oracle/xe
[22:38] <hydrogen> is the home
[22:39] <scjp_> hydrogen, okie
[22:39] <scjp_> ld, now ?
[22:39] <ld> btw hydrogen: why cat /etc/passwd | grep ACCOUNT_NAME doesn't work?
[22:40] <hydrogen> no clue
[22:40] <hydrogen> well
[22:40] <hydrogen> probably
[22:40] <prince_jammys> ld no idea but to make shorter in the future   cat blah | grep pattern  [22:41] <ld> scjp_: now we know the home dir for oracle user. to not to mess it longer i propose editing your oracle profile files without changing any paths
[22:43] <prince_jammys> if the user name has funky chars, that may affect the grep match
[22:43] <scjp_> ld, okie so the profile will be .bash_history or .bash_profile
[22:43] <ld> scjp_: you should add to profile (the file is /usr/lib/oracle/xe/.bash_profile) lines like those: 'export ORACLE_HOME='/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server'
[22:44] <ld> scjp_: and another line 'export ORACLE_SID=XE'
[22:44] <scjp_> ld, okie but if there is no file called .bash_profile can i create one
[22:44] <rufus> how can I run "Plasmoids"?
[22:44] <ld> scjp_: of course
[22:45] <ld> scjp_: it will be read and executed by bash as the first thing ofter logon (or su - XXX)
[22:45] <scjp_> ld, so it will be just only these two lines in the file nothing else,
[22:46] <ld> scjp_: those should do by now
[22:46] <scjp_> ld,  do you think that it will be like .bashrc file not .bash_profile
[22:46] <prince_jammys> .bashrcis the ubuntu way
[22:46] <prince_jammys> .bashrc
[22:47] <scjp_> okjie
[22:47] <ld> scjp_: my way is not ubuntu only like, my way is linux general like
[22:47] <prince_jammys> .bash_profile may work (other distros use it)
[22:47] <hydrogen> err
[22:47] <ld> scjp_: what prince_jammys sais should work for you
[22:47] <hydrogen> you are confusing two entirely different files
[22:48] <prince_jammys> hydrogen: yes, but are not things that are normally done in .bash_profile ,, done in .bashrc in ubuntu?
[22:48] <hydrogen> .profile is sourced by a login shell.  Bash also sources .bash_profile if it exists.   .bashrc is sourced by a non-logon shell.  Putting it in .bashrc would only affect a terminal
[22:48] <hydrogen> prince_jammys: no
[22:49] <prince_jammys> ah
[22:49] <hydrogen> man bash
[22:49] <prince_jammys> thx
[22:50] <prince_jammys> asked that once here, got the wrong answer apparently
[22:50] <scjp_> ld, its done
[22:51] <ld> scjp_: after you login as oracle by 'su - oracle', what does the command 'env | grep ORA' returns?
[22:52] <ld> scjp_: in your case 'sudo su - oracle'
[22:52] <scjp_> ld, ORACLE_SID=XE
[22:52] <scjp_> ORACLE_HOME=/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server
[22:53] <scjp_> ld,  that whats print out !
[22:53] <ld> scjp_: ok
[22:54] <ld> scjp_: now try 'sqlplus /nolog' as oracle user
[22:55] <scjp_> ld, command not found
[22:55] <ld> scjp_: '$ORACLE_HOME/bin/sqlplus /nolog'
[22:56] <scjp_> ld, sql shell now ?
[22:56] <ld> scjp_: type 'conn sys/SYS_PASSWORD as sysdba'
[22:57] <ld> scjp_: i think you know what SYS_PASSWORD should be
[22:58] <scjp_> ld, oh my god connected to an idle instance;
[22:58] <ld> scjp_: it is very good
[22:58] <ld> scjp_: now type 'startup;'
[22:59] <rufus> if I want to access a shell on this computer from a different computer, do I need an SSH server?
[22:59] <scjp_> ld,  error "ORA-01078: failure in processing system parameters
[22:59] <scjp_> LRM-00109: could not open parameter file '/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/server/dbs/initXE.ora'"
[22:59] <ld> scjp_: more details?
[22:59] <frustrated4> how do i get a neat looking skin for this kwin desktop
[22:59] <scjp_> ld, no more thats it
[22:59] <frustrated4> ?
[22:59] <unagi> anyone know why alt f4 doesnt close my window sanymore?
[23:00] <frustrated4> i want something like
[23:00] <frustrated4> http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1237/desktop2007100303xi1.png
[23:00] <frustrated4> for example
[23:01] <scjp_> ld, okie this file "initXE.orac" doesnt exist i checked the directory
[23:03] <ld> scjp_: in sqlplus logged to idle instance try executing command 'create pfile from spfile'
[23:04] <scjp_> ld, http://rifers.org/paste/show/6692
[23:05] <unagi> my alt f4 doesnt close windows anymore how do i fix this
[23:06] <ld> scjp_: did you log into database as oracle linux user using sqlplus?
[23:06] <scjp_> ld, yes
[23:06] <mefisto__> I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? Do I just reinstall the standard ati driver from repos? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[23:08] <scjp_> ld, and i got the error message after entering that command which i pasted it
[23:08] <ld> scjp_: now i can confirm there is some fatal problem with your oracle installation. in most cases if standard tools fails, internal tools work like a charm.
[23:09] <scjp_> ld, okie now what should i do ?
[23:12] <ld> scjp_: i never experienced such a problem. there is not much left but trying to reinstall oracle-xe. this time if you will pass any warning or error messages during installation, maybe we will succseed
[23:12] <scjp_> ld, okie boss but the problem is that i cannot be able to completely remove the whole installation of oracle-xe from the system,
[23:13] <ld> scjp_: what idicates that oracle is not beeing completely removed?
[23:15] <scjp_> ld, okie when i enter the command sudo apt-get install oracle-xe and its start reading the database, instead of installing it and use the previous version of installation
[23:16] <unagi> is there a command to close the current window?
[23:17] <unagi> like alt+f4?
[23:17] <ld> scjp_: try removing previous installation by: 'apt-get remove XXXXXXXX'
[23:17] <scjp_> ld, after complete installation  i should have a file called oracle-xe in the folder "/etc/init.d/ " so that i can configure it
[23:17] <scjp_> ld, yep doing that now
[23:17] <joe_> why the hell would anyone upload a video to the internet that can only be played in IE? is there a way to make these videos work in Ubuntu? will IE work with Ubuntu?
[23:18] <ld> scjp_: if there are any error message please pass them to me...
[23:18] <scjp_> ld, yes ofcourse
[23:19] <mefisto__> joe_: what's the video? is it the page that is preventing it, or do you not have the right codecs and browser plugins?
[23:19] <joe_> mefisto__: its on muchmusic.com and it says "this video can only be viewed using Internet Explorer"
[23:20] <mefisto__> joe_: what's the url?
[23:21] <joe_> mefisto__: should I post it here or in a pm?
[23:21] <mefisto__> here is fine, I think
[23:22] <rufus> okay, is there a good dock to use with KDE?
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> rufus » kooldock?
[23:22] <anon32> ick, docks...
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> AWN works as well
[23:22] <joe_> http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/ <-- under "watch shows online" click on America's best dance crew
[23:22] <scjp_> ld, http://rifers.org/paste/show/6693
[23:23] <rufus> thanks
[23:23] <unagi> !kooldock
[23:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kooldock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:23] <sub[t]rnl> greetings
[23:23] <rufus> im sure you have to set it up yourself
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> !find kooldock
[23:24] <ubotu> Found: kooldock
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> rufus » what do you mean "set it up"
[23:24] <mefisto__> joe_: I get "Some of our content is restricted to users in Canada only." I'm not in Canada. But I don't see the internet explorer message.
[23:24] <unagi> no matter what i put in close windows in keyboard shortcuts i cant close my windows with a shortcut anyone know how to troubleshoot this?
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> afternoon/evening/morning sub[t]rnl
[23:24] <sub[t]rnl> heyo :>
[23:24] <ld> scjp_: installation failed because terminal wasn'nt big enough
[23:25] <rufus> nosrednaekim, either add your own repo or compile it
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> rufus » ah yeas, you have to add a repo
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> !AWN
[23:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about awn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:25] <nosrednaekim> for awn, kooldock is in the repositories
[23:26] <rufus> i have the awn repo right here
[23:26] <rufus> deb http://repo.freecreations.info/ubuntu gutsy freeverse
[23:26] <ld> scjp_: try running it within bigger size terminal or terminal window with smaller font size
[23:27] <joe_> mefisto__: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/monctonjoe/Screenshot.png
[23:27] <Liono> i need a script that runs on boot. and soon after kde lauches and desktop is visible, it locks screen. then after the screen is unlocked, it locks screen 'after 30 minuts of unlock' and keeps this behaviour onwards. locks screen after every 30 minuts of unlocking.     any help?
[23:27] <scjp_> ld, okie
[23:28] <scjp_> ld, Executing Post-install steps...
[23:28] <scjp_> -e You must run '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure' as the root user to configure the database.
[23:28] <scjp_>  """
[23:28] <unagi> would reinstalling kubuntu desktop fix my broken alt+f4?
[23:29] <ld> scjp_: try executing '/etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure'
[23:29] <scjp_> ld, "/etc/init.d/oracle-xe: command not found"
[23:29] <deepfreez> Hi, i running kubuntu desktop and i install apache+php+mysql and when  i try http://localhost i get a file (open/save a file with name w65w670e.phtml or another name.phtml ) how i can resolve this error?
[23:30] <scjp_> ld, oracle-xe file is not there in the /etc/init.d/ directory
[23:30] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: you have to tell apache to execute CGI scripts in that directory.
[23:30] <deepfreez> SlimeyPete: how? i need remove the line?
[23:30] <mefisto__> joe_: looks like it's playing video on yours
[23:31] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: you need to put "options +execCGI" in the section of your apache2.conf (or sistes-enabled script) which refers to the directory
[23:31] <SlimeyPete> there will be something like "<directory /var/www>...</directory>"
[23:31] <deepfreez> i put :|
[23:31] <deepfreez> wait
[23:31] <joe_> mefisto__: yeah but its not showing the video of the show thats its suppose to, its playing a video of a "splash" screen that says the video can not be viewed unless you use IE
[23:32] <mefisto__> ok, I just saw the message, sorry joe_
[23:32] <joe_> no worries :D
[23:32] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ what browser are you using?
[23:32] <joe_> any way to emulate IE ?
[23:32] <joe_> sub[t]rnl:  I use FF
[23:33] <unagi> i guess i have to reformat
[23:33] <unagi> yay!
[23:33] <sub[t]rnl> not sure in ff, you can emulate in konqueror.  tools -> change browser identification
[23:33] <ld> scjp_: what is the installation command for oracle-xe
[23:33] <joe_> unagi: I dont know how to do it, but there MUST be a better way to fix it then reformat
[23:33] <unagi> i dunno how
[23:34] <unagi> no one seems to know what it could be
[23:34] <joe_> sub[t]rnl: I dont have "change browser id" under tools :(
[23:34] <deepfreez> <Directory /var/www>
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[23:34] <deepfreez> whits?
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> that bit, yes
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> put "options +execCGI" in there
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> between the two.
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ put in about:config
[23:35] <SlimeyPete> then do "sudo apache2ctl restart"
[23:35] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ look for general.useragent.override
[23:35] <scjp_> ld, sudo apt-get install oracle-xe and then you have to run it by using /etc/init.d/oracle-xe configure to configure it
[23:35] <Liono> sub[t]rnl can you do scripting
[23:36] <deepfreez> don't understand SlimeyPete :| where can you give me a example?
[23:36] <sub[t]rnl> Liono➜ what kind?
[23:36] <unagi> i guess i better burn a live cd to reformat with
[23:36] <mefisto__> joe_: do you have konqueror installed?
[23:36] <joe_> mefisto__: yep, trying to figure out the change id thing now
[23:37] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: just put "options +execCGI" on the line after "<directory /var/www>"
[23:37] <deepfreez> ah k
[23:37] <SlimeyPete> then run "apache2ctl restart"
[23:37] <mefisto__> unagi: are you running compiz?
[23:39] <deepfreez> SlimeyPete: don't work :|
[23:39] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: you did the restart?
[23:39] <scjp_> ld, so ?
[23:39] <deepfreez> * Restarting web server apache2                                                                                                                      [ OK ]
[23:40] <SlimeyPete> if it still doesn't work then perhaps you need to tell apache to use php. I can't remember how to do that,sorry - someone in #apache might be able to help.
[23:41] <deepfreez> <Directory /var/www/>
[23:41] <deepfreez> Options +ExecCGI
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[23:41] <SlimeyPete> erk
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> sorry
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> option
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> no 's'
[23:41] <SlimeyPete> so "Option +ExecCGI"
[23:42] <deepfreez> ah ok
[23:42] <joe_> sub[t]rnl and mefisto__ in konquerer, nothing loads at all in the video player
[23:42] <sub[t]rnl> what video player?
[23:43] <deepfreez> don't work SlimeyPete pfff
[23:43] <sub[t]rnl> oh, flash on some website?
[23:43] <SlimeyPete> deepfreez: no? OK, sorry. Obviously there's another problem then. You might get better advice from somewhere in #apache or #php.
[23:44] <deepfreez> k tnx
[23:48] <ld> ld, sorry just one sec
[23:49] <scjp_> ld, u still there     ?
[23:49] <ld> scjp_: sorry one sec
[23:52] <CrazyArcher> hello
[23:53] <mefisto__> joe_: It might work if you install IE. :(  Don't know if flash will work though.      http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[23:54] <joe_> mefisto__: but I hate bill and all his software, cant I make it work in linux :(
[23:55] <scjp_> ld, boss whats happening?
[23:56] <ld> scjp_: i'm having talk with my wife
[23:56] <sub[t]rnl> joe_➜ whats the webpage?
[23:56] <mefisto__> joe_: maybe a flash movie extension for firefox might be able to d/l the .flv so you can watch them in standalone player
[23:56] <joe_> http://www.muchmusic.com/tv/ <-- under "watch shows online" click on America's best dance crew sub[t]rnl amd try to play one of the episodes
[23:56] <joe_> mefisto__: good thinkin :D
[23:58] <mefisto__> joe_: videodownloadhelper works well for me. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3006
[23:58] <Dr_Willis> Hmm  Shall i point out that that video has a big 'Sorry You are not in Cannada' item. :)
[23:58] <Dr_Willis> it wont let me watch it.
[23:58] <joe_> mefisto__: sweet thanx :D
[23:59] <mefisto__> Dr_Willis: I got that too. maybe we should move
[23:59] <Dr_Willis> The video sare using Flash Player - so they should work under linux. If your flash is working