[00:17] <doofy`> is there changes with hardy in regards to how it detects disks?
[00:24] <doofy2> would there be a reason hardy isnt detecting my windows drive at all?
[00:27] <ethana2> yes
[00:27] <ethana2> it didn't shut down
[00:27] <ethana2> it was hibernated or crashed
[00:27] <ethana2> unclean logfile
[00:27] <ethana2> it doesn't mount volumes under those conditions
[00:27] <doofy2> even with sudo fdisk -l
[00:27] <ethana2> hmm
[00:27] <doofy2> it should be /dev/hda1
[00:28] <doofy2> nothign there... just upgraded to hh
[00:28] <ethana2> did your partition table get screwed up?
[00:28] <ethana2> does GRUB see windows still?
[00:28] <ethana2> is it bootable?
[00:28] <doofy2> i dont see a reason why it would have :-/ nothing shoudl have even touched it
[00:28] <doofy2> well actually come to think of it, its not even a windows partition... i think i made it ext3
[00:29] <selckin> "notting should ahve touched it" "i made it ext3", thats where any sane person stops trying to help
[00:29] <doofy2> not just now...
[00:30] <ethana2> moment of silence for your data...
[00:30] <doofy2> what i meant was it was not a windows partition... i forgot that i had made it ext3 a few months back because i didnt use windows
[00:30] <ethana2> well now you remember
[00:31] <ethana2> ..so are you still wondering anything?
[00:31] <doofy2> why its not showing up with sudo fdisk -l
[00:31] <selckin> because you forgot you removed it
[00:31] <doofy2> i dont understand why the upgrade to hh would have made it not show up with that
[00:31] <doofy2> what?
[00:32] <doofy2> maybe im not being clear with what im saying lol
[00:33] <doofy2> i had an ext3 partition before i upgraded to hardy heron. Now that im in hardy heron it does not even show up with fdisk -l
[00:33] <doofy2> forget the rest of what i said... it was all a matter of whether it was ntfs or ext3.
[00:37] <dejv_ntb> hi
[00:37] <dejv_ntb> does NM work for you lately?
[01:09] <ethana2> oh
[01:09] <ethana2> it won't let me add or remove anything
[01:09] <ethana2> i guess i /do/ have a problem
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> What won't
[01:10] <ethana2> synaptic
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> what does dpkg -C say
[01:10] <ethana2> Apps -> add/remove
[01:11] <ethana2> http://www.opensolaris.org
[01:11] <ethana2> oops, sorry
[01:11] <ethana2> ctrl + c doesn't do the same in terminal
[01:11] <ethana2> The following packages have been unpacked but not yet configured.
[01:11] <ethana2> They must be configured using dpkg --configure or the configure
[01:11] <ethana2> menu option in dselect for them to work:
[01:11] <ethana2>  language-support-en  metapackage for English language support
[01:11] <ethana2>  language-support-writing-en Writing aids metapackage for English
[01:12] <ethana2> eww... formatting...  should have taken gedit to that..
[01:12] <hmuller> are we talking about the effects of the latest updates?
[01:12] <ethana2> dpkg --configure language-support-en...
[01:14] <ethana2> aaand dependency problems
[01:15] <ethana2> ok, installing openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us..
[01:15] <ethana2> and error code (1) from dpkg
[01:15] <ethana2> two packages include the same file
[01:16] <ethana2> /usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic
[01:16] <ethana2> and they are conflicting because of that
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> ethana2: see what aptitude -f full-upgrade suggests
[01:17] <hmuller> here's my two cents on this one:
[01:18] <ethana2> oh sweet
[01:18] <hmuller> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:18] <ethana2> that's awesome, it knows just what to do..
[01:18] <ethana2> looks good..  looks good...
[01:18] <hmuller>  /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[01:18] <ethana2> Score is 211?
[01:18] <ethana2> i'm doing what it says.
[01:19] <hmuller> sudo apt-get openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> ethana2: yep it seems to always know what to do these days (when apt is going to trash everything)
[01:19] <ethana2> oh, aptitude failed
[01:19] <hmuller> E: Couldn't find package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> ethana2: same thing ? pastebin some stuff
[01:19] <ethana2> k
[01:20] <ethana2> oh
[01:20] <ethana2> FF3 just barfed on me
[01:20] <ethana2> drat
[01:20] <ethana2> i need someone else to pastebin this
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> If I was you I would forcibly remove language-support-en temporarily
[01:20] <ethana2> i need to meet someone on another channel
[01:20] <ethana2> and send this text at them
[01:21] <ethana2> any volunteers?
[01:22] <ethana2> if so, #colemak is empty, meet me there
[01:23] <ethana2> i have a bunch of text to get out
[01:24] <ethana2> but i can't get to pastebin
[01:24] <ethana2> i need someone to take this
[01:24] <hobbs> seeing a "disagrees about symbol" error in alsa between cx88_alsa from hardy linux-image-2.6.24-8-generic and snd-pcm from hardy linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic -- it's a problem that's cropped up in the past, google will turn up a number of launchpad hits, but they never get closed
[01:26] <ethana2> wait, circular dependency?
[01:26] <crimsun_> hobbs: with 2.6.24-8.14-generic?
[01:26] <crimsun_> "cat /proc/version_signature"
[01:26] <hobbs> yes, that matches.
[01:26] <crimsun_> pastebin it, please.
[01:27] <crimsun_> I no longer maintain alsa, but it's likely the issue I fixed locally.
[01:27] <hobbs> okay, getting the info together
[01:28] <profoX`> Can someone confirm if this bug is fixed or not? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/183011 just install mixxx and check if there's a "JACK" option in the sound API combobox in the settings window
[01:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183011 in mixxx "JACK disabled in Gutsy PortAudio package" [Critical,In progress]
[01:28] <ethana2> giving up on it for now
[01:29] <crimsun_> uh, critical?
[01:29] <crimsun_> that's extremely inflated.
[01:29] <hobbs> crimsun_: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/12895
[01:29] <crimsun_> hobbs: that port is blocked for me locally
[01:29] <crimsun_> hobbs: I will attempt to look after I move wi-fi hotspots (ETA: 30 mins)
[01:30] <hobbs> crimsun_: http://rafb.net/p/oo5DZy85.nln.html
[01:32] <profoX`> crimsun_: yea, but thats for the mixxx package.. the actual package thats wrong is probably the portaudio19 package..
[01:39] <hmuller> all I gotta say is hardy may be slighty broke, but I like what the direction it's going
[01:39] <h3sp4wn> Can anyone confirm zsh-lovers is uninstallable for them
[01:40] <h3sp4wn> (simple fix the path for the divert is wrong
[01:41] <hmuller> h3sp4wn: there's a known issue with one of it's dependencies, at least in this channel
[01:42] <h3sp4wn> All it is is - /usr/share/vim/syntax/zsh.vim should be /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/zsh.vim
[01:46] <lime4x4> is it possible to remove all network devices then have hardy redetect them?
[01:46] <hobbs> lime4x4: are you having an issue with naming or what?
[01:47] <lime4x4> trying to get my nics to work on a reboot
[01:47] <lime4x4> i have built in dual nvidia nics
[01:47] <lime4x4> every reboot i have to remove the forcedeth module
[01:47] <lime4x4> then reload it with a different setting
[01:49] <lime4x4> the nics worked fine in gutsy but not hardy there detected but can't use them till i reload the forcedeth module with this  sudo modprobe forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[01:49] <hobbs> add a file in /etc/modprobe.d with an 'options' line giving the options that you need to make it work? man modprobe.conf
[01:49] <lime4x4> tired that still no joy
[01:49] <lime4x4> i have to remove the forcedeth module reload it then do 2 network restarts
[01:50] <lime4x4> so i was going to remove all the nics then turn one off in the bios and s what happens
[01:52] <hobbs> there's really nothing to "remove" on the ubuntu end. There's a udev rule for assigning consistent interface names between boots but there's no real need for you to remove that (unless the remaining one ends up eth1 and you'd rather it was eth0). If you want to try turning one off in BIOS, just do it.
[01:52] <lime4x4> tried that already same problem
[01:52] <hobbs> well then there's your answer.
[01:53] <lime4x4> i was thinking it was like a windows system that keeps a data base of installed hardware
[01:53] <hobbs> no, linux does things more dynamically than that. These days, at least :)
[01:54] <lime4x4> cause i'm outta of ideas
[01:54] <lime4x4> i even tried installing gutsy then i did an upgrade to hardy and the nics stopped working
[01:55] <hobbs> I don't see why the options line isn't helping you, having to unload and reload is very strange. But I would think it's an issue for kernel folks.
[01:56] <lime4x4> the research i did showed up that this was an old bug back in the fiesty days
[01:58] <hobbs> lime4x4: link?
[01:58] <lime4x4> is it possible to rebuild the forcedeth module from scratch?
[01:58] <lime4x4> give me a sec
[01:58] <hmuller> lime4x4:  You tried addding "options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0" to /etc/modprobe.d/options  ???
[01:58] <lime4x4> yes
[01:59] <lime4x4> hobbs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/136836
[01:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136836 in ubuntu "Ethernet (nVidia MCP55) is not working on Gusty Tribe 5" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[01:59] <XiXaQ> I'm running hardy in vmware, with open-vm-tools installed. I can't get any resolution options though. xorg.conf seems very empty, and when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I don't get any resolution options there either. Any ideas?
[02:00] <lime4x4> in gutsy they work fine
[02:06] <hmuller> lime4x4:  just asking, you created udev rules to persistently name the ethernet devices?
[02:06] <lime4x4> nope
[02:07] <hmuller> I think that's what hobbs may have meant earlier, you should give that a try and see if that helps
[02:07] <hobbs> no, not particularly. udev apparently auto-creates rules like that now, but it shouldn't make a difference in the problem one way or the other
[02:09] <hmuller> hobbs: it might if the device names keep switching.
[02:10] <hmuller> lime4x4:  You might check to see what the device names and mac addresses are before, and then after you do that modprobe thing and then see if there is a difference
[02:11] <hobbs> lime4x4: do you have an /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and if so does it have a couple of lines in it with the mac addresses of your two NICs?
[02:13] <lime4x4> ok i will give that a try
[02:15] <lime4x4> hobbs yes i have that file
[02:16] <hmuller> lime4x4: what about the last part of his question, does it have the mac addresses of your two nics?
[02:16] <lime4x4> yes
[02:17] <lime4x4> i will check it on a reboot and c if they stay the same
[02:18] <hmuller> lime4x4:  They should, otherwise the rule is broken
[02:20] <hobbs> what it really comes down to is that the options line should work, or else the kernel is broken or modutils (wtf they call it now) is :)
[02:23] <lime4x4> i think it's the kernel
[02:23] <lime4x4> lol
[02:23] <hmuller> one would think options lines would work for all devices of the same module.  it is a curious problem.  I had problems before with interface naming, but persistent udev rules always fixed that.
[02:25] <hmuller> lime4x4: you haven't rebooted yet to see if they change  ; )
[02:25] <lime4x4> nope but i will in a few minutes here
[02:29] <mphill> did openoffice break for anyone else?
[02:30] <hmuller> There's a problem with one of the dependencies
[02:30] <mphill> yep
[02:31] <mphill> hmuller: do you use java in firefox3 at all?
[02:32] <hmuller> yes, but I think it's not quite right in FF3, yahoo mail doesn't work, have to use yahoo mail classic
[02:33] <mphill> i tried to link the .so manually, no luck
[02:33] <mphill> i need aspirin
[02:34]  * hobbs gives mphill naproxen
[02:34] <hobbs> best I have ;)
[02:34] <hmuller> it looks like they are getting a handle on the FF memory leak problem
[02:35] <mphill> my bluetooth is still foobar and i had to compile wine from source
[02:35] <mphill> other than that, i like it
[02:36] <mphill> did the name of the restricted driver management package change ?
[02:36] <hmuller> I don't think so
[02:36] <hmuller> I'm still using it for nvidia
[02:37] <mphill> first think i do is remove that, what is jockey ?
[02:38] <hmuller> oh yeah, that changed
[02:38] <hmuller> sorry, I thought you were talking about the modules
[02:38] <mphill> is jockey the restricted driver manager now?
[02:39] <hobbs> seems that way.
[02:40] <mphill> is there a high level change log for ubuntu that is updated regularly ?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> never noticed :)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> changelog " updated the log"
[02:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:43] <hmuller> There's a broad overview: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha4
[02:43] <hmuller> not really a changelog though
[02:44] <hmuller> <laughs at the Dr>
[02:45] <mphill> anyone have an idea why my system only recognizes 3.2gigs of ram of 4?  The bios says 4gb when i boot.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> thats  part of the 32 vs 64 bit issue thats going on these days
[02:45] <Dr_willis> You using the 64 bit release? or 32bit?
[02:46] <mphill> 32
[02:47] <Dr_willis> the 64bit disrto might let you see all the ram. - i researched this once.. and aparantly a lot has todo with the mb/bios/other hardware also.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> 4gb i think the 'max'  address space of ram that a 32bit sstem can handle.. BUT  some hardware also takes up a bit of that max space of addresses also.. video cards and so forth.
[02:48] <Dr_willis> which is why with exactly 4gb of ram. a 32bit sustem wont see it all.
[02:49] <mphill> i'm missing 800 megs
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Or so i gathered from my reading of a LOT of  forumx.
[02:49] <Dr_willis> and how much ram does your video card have?
[02:49] <mphill> i guess i need HIGHMEM64G
[02:49] <mphill> Dr_willis: no video ram is used by this mobo
[02:49] <Dr_willis> Possibially. I have not tweaked anything - I just have 3gb ram here.
[02:49] <mphill> is there a big mem kernel
[02:50] <Dr_willis> so other then just reading the forums/ and so forth. Ive not looked into the issue any more
[02:50] <hobbs> yeah, a 32-bit system without PAE only has 4 gigs of physical address space, and not all of that space can map to RAM -- some of it needs to be used for other crap like video cards :)
[02:50] <Dr_willis> Yep. :) i recall lots of terms like PAE and so forth - that i dident really understand.
[02:50] <Dr_willis> But its fun reading/learning
[02:51] <Dr_willis> the point ti rember it that its not just a  simple  '32bit can handle 4gb, 64bit can handle more' sort of problem.
[02:51] <mphill> i'm going to try something in bios
[02:51] <mphill> brb
[02:52] <Dr_willis> Your video card has some ram..  :)
[02:52] <hmuller> don't forge to check the mac addresses!
[02:52] <hmuller> before and after
[02:52] <hmuller> and that's forget not forge
[02:52] <hobbs> that was someone else ;)
 that's what I get for having another beer
[03:00] <crimsun_> hobbs: uname -m, please
[03:00] <hobbs> x86_64
[03:01] <mphill> no such luck in the bios
[03:01] <mphill> i heard to look for a remapping option
[03:01] <mphill> i lack that....
[03:07] <crimsun_> hobbs: that's pretty straightforward, actually.  It was compiled for an older ALSA version (1.0.15) in linux-image-2.6.24-8-generic, but you're using ALSA from linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic.
[03:08] <crimsun_> linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic has something slightly newer than 1.0.16.
[03:08] <hobbs> oh, are there alsa modules in both and they're getting sort of overlaid?
[03:08] <crimsun_> I believe this precise issue was raised in #ubuntu-kernel this past week, but my memory is fuzzy.
[03:10] <crimsun_> hobbs: right.  I bet cx88-alsa will work with linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic removed.
[03:10] <crimsun_> keep in mind that's a horrible kludge; it requires mangling a bit more complicated than currently available.
[03:10] <hobbs> alright, let me give that a whack. I don't think anything particularly needs that, linux-image-generic just brought it in.
[03:11] <hobbs> and I guess I'll need to reboot or at least unload all sound stuff to get the newer ALSA out of memory
[03:12] <crimsun_> sure.  "sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload"
[03:12] <hobbs> that's handy, I didn't know that was there. :)
[03:13] <crimsun_> probably best if you do that after removing l-u-m, logging out of your graphical environment.
[03:14] <hobbs> you caught me too late, but it didn't do any harm. Just nuked my mixer and amarok :)
[03:14] <crimsun_> log out and back in, then.
[03:14] <hobbs> and yeah, I agree that's a bit ugly, but understandable. As long as it's a known issue I'm cool with it. Thanks for the help.
[03:14] <lime4x4> hmuller and hobbs on a reboot they udev file didn't change but now i got a new error  eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[03:14] <lime4x4> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[03:15] <lime4x4> i don't have a eth2
[03:15] <lime4x4> i have eth0 and eth1
[03:15] <hobbs> crimsun_: I've been rolling my own kernel for ages, decided to switch today to make nvidia and virtualbox easier, and this bit me.
[03:15] <Assid> err question.. how do you send CTRL  ALT DEL over tsclient
[03:16] <hmuller> lime4x4: so when you run the modprobe with option, you get eth1 and eth2?
[03:16] <hobbs> crimsun_: I used to _need_ to roll my own, but nowadays everything I ever need is in tree or packaged by Ubuntu. Guess I can't complain about that.
[03:16] <lime4x4> no
[03:17] <lime4x4> when i do a network restart from the command line it shows eth0, eth1 and now eth2
[03:18] <lime4x4> udev shows eth0 and eth1
[03:20] <mphill> is there anyway to install application when dependencies are broken
[03:21] <mphill> i can't install anything because of openoffice
[03:21] <hmuller> lime: udev meaning the persistent rule?
[03:21] <lime4x4> yes
[03:21] <hobbs> apt won't do anything that doesn't unbreak your current situation. It's like being in check.
[03:21] <hobbs> You can still use dpkg but that's more a "for emergency purposes" thing :)
[03:22] <hmuller> and when you restart the network it shows three network devices?
[03:22] <mphill> so should i just wait until they fix it
[03:23] <lime4x4> yes but i only have 2 i don't know where the third nic came from
[03:23] <hobbs> mphill: well, I'm assuming OOo isn't working for you anyway in that state, so if you remove it you'll have apt back. Or if you can find an older (matching) set of packages from when it wasn't broken and manually install them :)
[03:23] <hmuller> lime: do you have a wireless nic?
[03:24] <lime4x4> nope
[03:24] <lime4x4> 2 built in nvidia nics 10/100/1000
[03:26] <hmuller> ifconfig reports which eth# devices?
[03:27] <lime4x4> both my nvidia's nic nothing about eth2
[03:29] <Assid> err
[03:29] <Assid> anyone updated today/yday ?
[03:29] <Assid> compiz fails to start here
[03:29] <DarkMageZ> compiz finally works here ッ
[03:30] <Assid> broken to hell here
[03:30] <Assid> doesnt even start
[03:30] <mphill> compiz is working for me
[03:30] <hmuller> i'll restart, see if compiz is working.  not working now, but I just did update earlier.
[03:30] <DarkMageZ> error message ya?
[03:30] <Assid> you got all the updates?
[03:30] <mphill> i have some other broken stuff
[03:30] <mphill> Assid: are you using hardy-proposed ?
[03:31] <Assid> eh ?
[03:31] <lime4x4> hmuller  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4632/
[03:31] <Assid> i got whatever the updates came out
[03:31] <Assid> or whatever partial was available
[03:31] <Assid> i think cause of XGL
[03:32] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/d2e0ac487
[03:32] <Assid> also
[03:32] <Assid> glxgears
[03:32] <Assid> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:32] <Assid> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[03:32] <Assid> dammit.. it used to work
[03:32] <DarkMageZ> it's not detecting xgl.
[03:32] <DarkMageZ> what graphics card?
[03:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, wanna' know what sets what ethX numbers are used for which device?
[03:33] <DanaG> Look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[03:33] <Assid> nvidia 8600gts - using nvidia-glx-new last time i checked
[03:34] <DarkMageZ> Assid, ah. did lrm fully update?
[03:34] <Assid> nah.. past few days.. i get only partial updates
[03:34] <lime4x4> hmuller http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4632/
[03:34] <hmuller> compiz definitely not working on the amd64 (core2) platform
[03:35] <hmuller> lime: is that before or after the modprobe that gets them working?
[03:35] <mphill> hmuller: you can use compoiste in metacity for the time being
[03:35] <Assid> is the repositories finally complete? or still partial updates?
[03:36] <hmuller> mphill: Not really concerned, as it'll get fixed later
[03:36] <hmuller> hardy will break until april, and maybe a little bit afterwards
[03:36] <hmuller> i like the new artwork
[03:37] <crimsun_> err, we can't afford to break it all the way up until April.
[03:37] <Assid> artwork?
[03:37] <DanaG> ultrastarng: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
[03:37] <DanaG> Aborted (core dumped)
[03:37] <hmuller> the new background
[03:37] <lime4x4> the only thng that changes is before modprobe has no ip addy then after modprobe has an ip addy
[03:37] <Assid> someone should fix the usb permission issues to get scanners to work
[03:37] <hmuller> lime: what do you mean by addy?
[03:37] <DanaG> What's this about a new background?
[03:37] <crimsun_> see the new ubuntu-wallpapers
[03:38] <hmuller> after the update/upgrade, new wallpaper
[03:38] <lime4x4> etho and eth1 or set to static ip addresses while br0 receives an ip address from my router
[03:38] <mphill> its like a crane
[03:38] <hmuller> almost a fractal crane ...
[03:40] <hmuller> lime: bridging is beyond my paygrade, I don't have the practice or knowledge yet
[03:40] <Assid> err
[03:40] <Assid> so what about my packages?
[03:40] <DanaG> Hmm, no changelog showing up.
[03:40]  * Assid is stuck with a broken compiz
[03:40] <lime4x4> well i have the same issue without the bridge
[03:41] <regulate> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[03:42] <Assid> mphill: you using hardy-proposed?
[03:42] <mphill> yes
[03:43] <Assid> mphill: and yours works?
[03:43] <mphill> yes
[03:43] <mphill> but my system is fucked
[03:43] <Assid> err why?
[03:43] <mphill> i can't install anything
[03:43] <mphill> openoffice is bustes
[03:43] <mphill> busted
[03:44] <Assid> so i shouldnt used proposed?
[03:45] <Assid> why does Xgl not work is something i fail to understand
[03:46] <hmuller> nothing wrong with testing the possibly more unstable packages in the unstable release ...
[03:46] <mphill> what video card do you have?
[03:46] <Assid> hmuller: i "kinda" use this machine for production
[03:46] <Assid> mphill: nvidia 8600gts
[03:46] <Assid> and yes i do have nvidia-glx-new
[03:47] <Assid> atleast i did last time i checked
[03:47] <mphill> i install from the nvidia site
[03:47] <hmuller> Assid: then you will have to accept problems as hardy isn't production ready yet.  but it's getting close.
[03:47] <mphill> i don't know if that helps or not
[03:47] <Assid> mphill: why not the hardy restricted drivers?
[03:47] <theY4Kman> COMPWIZ18 LAUGHS AT ALL OF YOU
[03:48] <Assid> hmuller: i do.. thats why i am testing it on my machines.. so if i find bugs now ATLEAST they will be addressed
[03:48] <Assid> one issue i do face on my laptop is appearance manager eats 100% cpu.. EVEN if its doing NOTHING
[03:48] <hmuller> right on, file early and often
[03:48] <hmuller> That is file bugs early and often
[03:49] <Assid> thats something i dot know how to file.. what am i to say " one issue i do face on my laptop is appearance manager eats 100% cpu.. EVEN if its doing NOTHING"
[03:49] <Assid> thats not really a bug report
[03:49] <Assid> man gnome needs better ftp clients that WORK
[03:49] <Assid> gftp sucks..
[03:49] <Assid> i cant copy an entire directory recursively without it skipping or failing something
[03:58] <Assid> atleast konqueror does a decent job
[03:59] <regulate> still can't dpkg -i custom kernels
[04:06] <Assid> err i installed: nautilus-script-collection-svn
[04:07] <Assid> but how do i access it ?
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> regulate: why ?
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> regulate: how are you building them ?
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> (if its with make deb-pkg that had a bug fixed in 2.6.25-rc1 - but kernel-package should work fine)
[04:11] <Assid> wow
[04:11] <Assid> apps through wine even when idle eat up cpu
[04:11] <regulate> h3sp4wn: make-kpkg
[04:11] <Assid> oh did they fix wine yet ?
[04:12] <regulate> h3sp4wn: was postinst fixed?
[04:12] <Assid> 0.9.55 was broken last time i checked
[06:31] <DanaG> Hmm, that new Heron artwork IS cool, but now I'm finding myself wanting a new theme to go with it.
[06:31] <DanaG> I like the 'nodoka' theme of Fedora 8 (once you make the blue darker), but it doesn't work in orange.
[06:33] <ionstorm> did the latest updates break glx new
[06:33] <ionstorm> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[06:34] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ultrastar-ng/+bug/153196
[06:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153196 in ultrastar-ng "does not start on amd64" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[06:34] <DanaG> argh.
[06:34] <ionstorm> Fail to query the GLX server vendor.
[06:34] <ionstorm> wtf happened to glx
[06:43] <ccq> nvidia drivers are broken with last update
[06:43] <ccq> i cannot play openarena anymore =(
[06:44] <ccq> and what is all about 2.6.24-8 rc kernel if 2.6.24.2 release is out?
[06:45] <DanaG> dangit, ultrastar-ng won't run with PulseAudio.
[07:06] <anolis> nvidia drivers seem to have broken, has anyone else encountered this issue?
[07:07] <regulate> nope
[07:07] <anolis> weird all i did was upgrade then restart
[07:07] <regulate> i use like a month old version with 2.4.22
[07:08] <regulate> what kernel are you running ?
[07:08] <anolis> 2.6.24-8-generic
[07:08] <regulate> and where do you get ur driver
[07:08] <regulate> from repositories? or nvidia's site ?
[07:08] <anolis> with the driver manager
[07:09] <regulate> what card btw?
[07:09] <anolis> 7900 GTX
[07:10] <regulate> so what makes you think the driver is broken ?
[07:10] <anolis> glxgears doesn't work
[07:10] <anolis> compiz-fusion doesn't work
[07:10] <anolis> fusion-icon doesn't work
[07:10] <anolis> second life doesn't work
[07:10] <anolis> anything 3d actually
[07:10] <regulate> any usefull error logs that you can pastebin?
[07:10] <anolis> yea lemme see what i can make
[07:11] <DarkMageZ> anolis, "glxinfo | grep direct"
[07:11] <regulate> does 2.6.24-8-generic have dri support enabled for that nvidia chipset
[07:13] <anolis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4637/
[07:15] <DanaG> Hmm, nvidia driver seems fine to me.
[07:15] <anolis> ok driver may be ok.. but what's up with the 3d not working?
[07:18] <DarkMageZ> anolis, what version is linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-7-generic ?
[07:18] <anolis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/4638/
[07:18] <DarkMageZ> 2.6.24-8-generic *
[07:18] <anolis> ?
[07:18] <anolis> i'm lost what are you asking?
[07:19] <DarkMageZ> anolis, it's a system package. asking for the version number
[07:19] <anolis> oh..
[07:19] <anolis> lemme see
[07:20]  * DanaG has 3D working fine...
[07:20] <DanaG> Oh, I see.... I didn't update nvidia-glx-new.
[07:21] <DanaG> I generally try to avoid updating things without reading changelogs first.
[07:21] <anolis> im just along for the ride, anyways, how do i check version number?
[07:22] <DanaG> aptitude show nvidia-glx-new
[07:22] <DanaG> Version: 169.09+2.6.24.8-7.19
[07:23] <anolis>  2.6.24.9-8.21
[07:25] <DanaG> It looks like perhaps a new version was uploaded too early, or something.
[07:25] <anolis> oh well it will automagically be working before the end of the week lol i love riding through alpha
[07:26] <DanaG> For now, you can just downgrade the package.
[07:26] <anolis> last alpha i went through i was using the terminal for a few days til they fixed whatever it was that was missing depends
[07:27] <DanaG> Oh, another thing that bugs me:
[07:27] <anolis> how do i do that?
[07:27] <DanaG> hpijs NEVER EVER shows changelogs in update-manager.
[07:27] <DanaG> Never.
[07:27] <DanaG> You can use aptitude to downgrade stuff.
[07:27] <DanaG> just run 'sudo aptitude'
[07:27] <anolis> yes, how
[07:28] <DanaG> and then hit slash to search, type nvidia-glx-new, hit enter (and 'n' to go to next item), and then hit enter on that item and it'll open a new tab with version numbers available.
[07:28] <DanaG> You can also do the same thing by using "Force Version" in Synaptic.
[07:29] <DarkMageZ> ... l-r-m-2.6.24-8-generic should be version 2.6.24.9-8.22 and nvidia-glx-new should be 169.09+2.6.24.9-8.22
[07:30] <DanaG> my lrm-(-8-generic) is Version: 2.6.24.9-8.22
[07:30] <DanaG> I'm still using the old nvidia-glx-new.
[07:30] <anolis> ok, well im not a dev so i have noo idea what y'all are saying and im tired etc
[07:31] <anolis> dun wanna mess with it, will just dist-upgrade tomorrow when i boot back into linux
[08:00] <DanaG> yay, persistent mode.
[08:00] <DanaG> in Pidgin.
[08:01] <abescully> is anyone else having trouble with openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us?
[08:12] <DarkMageZ> abescully, i have problems with it ッ
[08:14] <sveri> when i entered ubuntu+1 konversation told me that special things are broken, but i cant see that mentioned in the topic
[08:16] <DarkMageZ> if that was the only broken thing then it being in the topic would be justifiable. tho they do mention that the entire thing is a developer release and to not use it.
[08:22] <sveri> DarkMageZ: hm, it was the first time i read this, but i think i just didnt see it before
[09:21] <ethana2> abescully: you asked if anyone else was having problems with openoffice hyphenation
[09:21] <ethana2> that was exactly my problem
[09:21] <ethana2> it remains my problem.. if you're even still in this channel
[09:21] <ethana2> also, something keeps eating my CPU power... i don't know if its the system monitor, pidgin, or firefox3..
[09:22] <ethana2> looks to be the system monitor...
[09:22] <ethana2> aand he happens /not/ to be in this channel
[09:27] <Assid> okay guys
[09:27] <Assid> i tjhink im gonna shift back to windows
[09:28]  * Assid feels bad just to say it
[09:32] <ethana2> Assid: you should ^_^
[09:33] <ethana2> Assid: we need to do better at keeping stable installs around.....
[09:34] <Assid> ethana2: ive got issues with other stuff
[09:35] <Assid> ethana2: wine + dreamweaver eat up 2 cores even when idle
[09:35] <Assid> thunderbird doesnt show image attachments inline
[09:36] <Assid> compiz doesnt seem anywhere near stable and personally i think it will take atleast another release for that to do so
[09:36] <Assid> i still need to keep windows for my gaming
[09:36] <sveri> Assid: play ETQW :-) and dont use dreamweaver
[09:37] <Assid> ETQW ?
[09:37] <sveri> Enemy Territory Quake Wars
[09:37] <sveri> runs fine under linux
[09:37] <ethana2> tremulous, nexuiz, openarena, warsow, sauerbraten?
[09:38] <sveri> and compiz sucks, thats true
[09:38] <sveri> but kde4 effects work very fine
[09:39] <sveri> at least, nobody needs compiz for working i thinl
[09:39] <sveri> -l +k
[09:39] <ethana2> compiz lays on the high end heat
[09:39] <ethana2> it blows vista out of the water without the bloat
[09:39] <sveri> yea, but its buggy
[09:39] <ethana2> ....but the stability of windows...
[09:40] <ethana2> whether we use it or not, we can be very glad it exists
[09:40] <ethana2> for the sake of compisiting in kwin, xfwm, and metacity
[09:40] <sveri> thats true
[09:40] <ethana2> and kde vs. gnome?
[09:40] <ethana2> i like, let's see....
[09:40] <ethana2> kde vs. gnome ^_^
[09:40] <sveri> kde kde kde
[09:40] <sveri> for the win
[09:41] <ethana2> i like that we can have fierce competition
[09:41] <ethana2> with freedom and interoperability
[09:41] <ethana2> some call it division, but to think..
[09:42] <Oli``> I assume compiz being knackered is a known issue?
[09:42] <ethana2> egos driving foss development
[09:42] <ethana2> many known issues like as not
[09:42] <Assid> well.. i do play other games besides quake
[09:42] <ethana2> halo works in wine pretty much now
[09:42] <ethana2> i think we only need like one .dll
[09:43]  * DanaG wishes Creative's "Host OpenAL" thing would work with Wine.
[09:43] <Assid> heck.. i avoid FPS .. im one of thos small population which gets a headache with fps games
[09:43] <DanaG> That way I could ditch Creative sound cards in Linux, too.
[09:43] <Assid> and yes kde4 looks promising
[09:43] <DanaG> I can play HL2 all day without getting dizzy, but the minute I start watching somebody else play, I start becoming dizzy and nauseous.
[09:44] <Assid> my issue is.. to do my work.. i gotta jump through hoops.. lose cpu cycles AND not use something im used to
[09:44] <Assid> DanaG: 1 hr into gamin.. my eyes turn red.. i start getting dizzy and nauseous
[09:45] <DarkMageZ> Assid, have you played guitar hero?
[09:45] <sveri> Assid: what programs are you used to use under windows?
[09:45] <DanaG> gamin?  Haven't played it.
[09:45] <DanaG> I wanted to try ultrastar-ng, but it doesn't work with PulseAudio.
[09:46] <DanaG> Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, the 2.6.24-8-generic kernel seems to fix ALL the CFS issues I had had before!
[09:46] <ethana2> but of course
[09:46] <DanaG> Hallelujah!  (I'm not a religious person, but the word fits.)
[09:46] <ethana2> i'll go get a baptist
[09:46] <ethana2> ;)
[09:47] <DanaG> Actually, my family is Jewish, but I don't pay much attention to religion.  And that's off-topic anyway.  And now I'm going to go to bed (1:47 AM Pacific Time), knowing that now I can let folding@home run again!
[09:47] <DanaG> Yay!
[09:48] <Assid> sveri: dreamweaver primarily.. got others like flashfxp (still i personally think the best damn ftp app) but that doesnt work right in wine. and apps like photoshop etc
[09:48] <Assid> whatever s required for web development
[09:48] <Assid> primarily DW
[09:48] <DanaG> I think what probably changed is the version of the scheduler itself.
[09:48] <Assid> and no for guitar hero
[09:49] <sveri> hm, i am in webdevelopement scince 8 years and theres nothing better than the bash, gvim, imagemagick and quanta, it really saves a lot of work
[09:49] <sveri> and i hate apps like dreamweaver
[09:49] <sveri> honestly i see no reason to use them
[09:50] <Assid> see thats the thing.. im used to it.. and it does me good
[09:50] <sveri> most friends of mine use eclipse for web developement, but i think thats an overkill for xhtml
[09:50] <DarkMageZ> psh... it's called gedit & firefox (plus a box with sftp & lamp)
[09:51] <Assid> as for the php section of my code.. I use phpedit (Atleast used to) but right noiw trying out zend ide
[09:51] <Assid> btw. got official phpedit license which once again i was ready to overlook
[09:52] <DanaG> Are there any nice AutoCAD equivalents for Linux?
[09:52] <sveri> no
[09:52] <DanaG> Or equivalents for "OrCAD PSpice"?
[09:52] <DanaG> I know there are some schematic thingies, but I haven't tried them.
[09:52] <sveri> thats one thing linux lacks, good CAD programs
[09:52] <Assid> so thats the thing.. i love linux.. really liked ubuntu (if anyone remembers.. iw as one of the main servers during pre-release party)
[09:53] <DanaG> (I know I sound foolish saying "thingies" about something that I use as part of my major at school, but hey, it's fun.)
[09:53] <Assid> alteast on gutsy
[09:53] <Assid> but i cant have anything compromize my work
[09:54] <DanaG> Anybody here use Asus notebooks?
[09:54] <DanaG> I'm wondering how they are about battery reporting.
[09:54] <sveri> finally its a matter of personal believe, no offend to you Assid, but imagine to use something like dreamweaver makes my head ache
[09:55] <Assid> sveri: right.. matter of personal requirements
[09:55] <DanaG> My current Gateway seems to do a good job of it -- discharge time accuracy is profiled to be 100% between charge levels of 30% and 90% (and I don't often use it below 30%).
[09:55] <DanaG> Charge time is accurate from 30% to 100%.
[09:55] <Assid> ewrr... ever since we entered alpha5.. my laptop looses battery far faster than it did
[09:56] <DanaG> Does it actually drain faster?
[09:56] <Assid> yep
[09:56] <Assid> actually does
[09:56] <DanaG> Eek.
[09:56] <DanaG> Did you try PowerTop?
[09:56] <Assid> yeah.. i pastebin'd it to you
[09:56] <Assid> didnt know what else to do
[09:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and does Hardy have the hpet=force patch in the kernel?
[09:57] <Assid> went from 2.5 hours to 1.5 hours- 1 hr 45 mins odd
[09:57] <DanaG> Hmm, what video card do you have?
[09:57] <Assid> the laptop? ati radeon 9000 mobility
[09:58] <DanaG> Aah.  I haven't used old ATI in a while, but I seem to remember hearing that using radeonfb somehow helps with ... well, something, but I don't remember what that 'something' was.
[09:58] <DanaG> Oh, and 'htop' is useful; it's easier to use than plain 'top'.
[10:02] <Assid> nice
[10:02] <Assid> i like the break up per core
[10:04] <DanaG> Perhaps there's something using CPU, or something disabling hard drive power management, or something keeping the GPU busy, or such.
[10:05] <DanaG> Anyway, now I really WILL go to bed now.  Good night.
[10:05] <Assid> gnight
[11:03] <oly-> hi, i did an upgrade to try out hardy last night and hit a small snag, my left mouse button does not work corectly are there any known problems
[11:03] <oly-> basically to use the gnome menu i have to hold down the mouse button, if i click it the menu disappears
[11:03] <oly-> and i can not select files they just get opened
[11:04] <oly-> anyone able to give me some pointers on where to look to try and correct this ?
[11:51] <t0n1> Hi. I've problem with upgrades at the moment. http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/39569/ Can anyone help me please? Or is it a known problem?
[11:53] <Chrononaut> had the same problem but i think i solved it now
[11:53] <Chrononaut> yep
[11:54] <t0n1> how do you selved it?
[11:54] <t0n1> solved, sorry
[11:56] <Chrononaut> not a very good solution.. i forced the removal of language-support-en. i use a different locale so it works for me
[11:56] <t0n1> Chrononaut: i will try it. thanks :)
[11:56] <Chrononaut> "sudo aptitude remove -f language-support-writing-en"
[12:01] <t0n1> Chrononaut: does not work for me...
[12:20] <Odd_Bloke> Hey guys, could someone remind me how to upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy?  ISTR that last time I upgraded to the development version of Ubuntu, dist-upgrade was the wrong way to go, but I can't remember what the right way was. :p
[12:21] <Odd_Bloke> Ack, I totally meant Gutsy to Hardy.
[12:23] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, wait, my fifth set of slightly different Google terms showed it up.
[13:27] <c1|freaky> umm
[13:27] <c1|freaky> is the firefox2 browser still available in hardy?
[13:38] <lemonade> c1|freaky: i guess not, i have 3.0 only in repos
[13:39] <c1|freaky> ok :\¨
[13:39] <lemonade> but it's not that hard to install it from gutsy
[13:42] <c1|freaky> hm, how to?
[13:44] <lemonade> i guess the packages from gutsy still work in hardy - if not, you could make packages by yourself
[13:44] <lemonade> grab files from packages.ubuntu.com and compile a deb
[13:44] <c1|freaky> hm, hm
[13:45] <c1|freaky> ok
[13:45] <c1|freaky> thank you :)
[13:45] <lemonade> and by the way...
[13:45] <lemonade> there is 2.0 in repos...
[13:45] <lemonade> firefox-dbg is still 2.0 for some time :D
[13:45] <lemonade> but it includes some debugging code
[13:46] <c1|freaky> hm, ok
[13:46] <c1|freaky> i have another problem btw:
[13:48] <c1|freaky> i installed openoffice, now upgrading doesnt finish, it says
[13:48] <c1|freaky> wait need to translate
[13:48] <c1|freaky> oh wait
[13:50] <c1|freaky> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb (--unpack):
[13:50] <c1|freaky>  Versuche, »/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic« zu überschreiben, welches auch in Paket openoffice.org-hyphenation ist
[13:50] <c1|freaky> it means "error while processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[13:51] <c1|freaky> "trying to overwrite /usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic which is also in package openoffice.org-hpyhenation"
[13:51] <c1|freaky> i moved that file to another place but it still says the same
[13:51] <c1|freaky> umm
[13:51] <c1|freaky> can someone help me please?
[13:51] <lime4x4> c1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hyphen/+bug/192310
[13:51] <c1|freaky> thank you
[13:56] <opteroN> hi
[13:59] <slytherin> Is anyone able to play VCD with latest gstreamer update?
[14:29] <Oli``> Anybody having issues with lsdvd?
[14:39] <mohbana> how can i find out what going, i am getting like high cpu usage and i aint doign anything
[14:39] <mohbana> whats going on
[14:43] <slytherin> mohbana: try comman 'top' in terminal and tell us who is eating your CPU
[14:43] <Odd_Bloke> (OM NOM NOM NOM)
[14:45] <mohbana> npviewer.bin
[14:59] <h3sp4wn_> Has any one else got a screwy gtk ?
[15:00] <h3sp4wn_> (emacs22-gtk:14194): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "murrine"
[15:02] <ccq> modified synaptic edit repositories feature look like... it should not exists. they should just make button which runs "gedit sources.list", if they wanted to make sense.
[15:07] <loa> Excuse me, is ther problems with last update of hardy
[15:07] <h3sp4wn_> gtk ?
[15:08] <loa> Nop, apt goes down
[15:08] <h3sp4wn_> My machine is in a complete mess at the moment
[15:08] <loa> he didn't want get update
[15:08] <loa> all from cache
[15:08] <shirish> hi all, I put up some documentation in openoffice. Then while saving I saved it as an .rtf file. It contains a table & some bullet points. Now if I view the same .rtf either with leafpad or with gedit I don't get it the same way, now who's at fault here, leafpad or gedit or is it openoffice.org issue?
[15:09] <loa> And there appear packet conflict, there are one file in packet, wich have another installed packet
[15:10] <loa> and i don't know how i can fix it(
[15:10] <loa> dpkg have got force option?
[15:10] <shirish>  it has got it
[15:11] <loa> can you show it?
[15:13] <shirish> loa: do dpkg --force-help it will give u all the options
[15:13] <h3sp4wn_> Remove the meta-package one forcibly I would go for
[15:16] <loa> i hvae conflict for this packet openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us
[15:16] <loa> didn't you?
[15:17] <h3sp4wn_> I didn't
[15:17] <shirish> !paste
[15:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[15:17] <shirish> loa: paste the contents at the link give above.
[15:18] <shirish> he might be able to help u out.
[15:18] <h3sp4wn_> The stuff related to this issue was still on my screen
[15:19] <shirish> I'm installing it as we speak, let's see
[15:20] <shirish> loa: if its an update/upgrade issue, you can always file a bug giving the package, and copying & pasting the contents which appeared on the console.
[15:20] <loa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56219/
[15:20] <loa> here it is
[15:21] <shirish> aha, ok I got the same issue, filing it as a bug.
[15:21] <loa> (
[15:21] <h3sp4wn_> actually I use aptitude so it may well have just said to remove it anyway
[15:21] <loa> this package?)
[15:21] <FrankQ> same package conflict here
[15:22] <shirish> h3sp4wn_: use aptitude too ;)
[15:22] <shirish> loa: the same package.
[15:23] <loa> And another conflict that apt didn't want to update(
[15:23] <loa> all goes from cache(
[15:23] <loa> And another problem that apt didn't want to update(
[15:23] <loa> sorry
[15:25] <shirish> loa: do "aptitude show openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us | grep Version " & paste the version no. which comes.
[15:25] <loa> sudo dpkg --force-conflicts --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[15:25] <loa> helps me
[15:25] <loa> :D
[15:27] <loa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56221/
[15:27] <loa> why apt-get update didn't load new information about packages
[15:27] <loa> ?
[15:28] <selckin> notting new
[15:29] <loa> This situation is still from yeasterday
[15:29] <loa> i think new pacakages must be)
[15:30] <shirish> loa: filed bug 192401, confirm it :)
[15:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192401 in openoffice.org-help-en "Installing openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us invokes a conflict" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192401
[15:31] <loa> oh, i fix it already +)
[15:34] <loa> When stable hardy will appear, my alpha version will be like gentoo :D
[15:34] <shirish> loa: I mean if u confirm it, then the guys will fix it & others won't have an issue.
[15:34] <loa> ok
[15:36] <loa> and another isue... that in last update my stable version of firefox 2 updates to firefox 3
[15:36] <loa> it is like a joke)
[15:36] <FrankQ> well, that's what it's supposed to do i think
[15:37] <FrankQ> not sure but i think they replaced it
[15:37] <loa> (
[15:37] <loa> all my plugins works wrong under firefox 3
[15:37] <loa> there are different api(
[15:39] <FrankQ> that's why you're on alpha. some applications are updated with potential compatibility breakage and instability
[15:39] <FrankQ> eventually most extensions will update to firefox 3, depending on if they're still maintained
[15:39] <loa> eh
[15:40] <loa> when firefox 3 goes to stable version)
[15:40] <FrankQ> dunno. Hopefully before Hardy has to be released :)
[15:41] <loa> Your think so... I think stable version of firefox will be in a year(
[15:41] <FrankQ> Firefox 3 is very stable already
[15:42] <FrankQ> If firefox gets to release candidates before heron gets released i wouldn't mind if they released it with a release candidate.
[15:42] <void^> hardy is lts, i don't see how they can release it with a non-final firefox :)
[15:43] <FrankQ> they probably wouldn't.
[15:43] <loa> :D
[15:43] <FrankQ> but i wouldn't mind, myself.
[15:43] <FrankQ> firefox 3 beta 3 is actually more stable than firefox 2 for me so far.
[15:45] <loa> Let's compare it with opera)
[15:46] <FrankQ> Opera's stability on ubuntu is a joke
 my comment is there)
 But it didn't going down on sites, where firefox goes)))
[15:47] <FrankQ> what do you mean?
[15:48] <loa> There are some sites where firefox 100% files, and i didn't understand /why/
[15:48] <loa> fail
[15:48] <loa> i mean
[15:49] <FrankQ> uses your computer for 100%, you mean?
[15:49] <loa> Sometimes...
[15:49] <loa> And goes down
[15:49] <loa> without any message
[15:50] <FrankQ> well, bugs.
[15:50] <FrankQ> and 100% firefox usage might be caused by flash stuff
[15:50] <loa> i found using 100% of cpu when there are problems with ajax
[15:50] <loa> when firefox can't make connection with web-site using ajax technology
[15:53] <FrankQ> if you're talking about firefox 3 you should probably file those bugs
[15:54] <loa> Oh, another question.... do you have problems with sound after suspend or hibernate?
[15:54] <void^> i've had some issues with ff3 and javascript with high cpu usage too
[15:55] <loa> you using ajax in your javascrip?
[15:55] <FrankQ> i don't even try hibernate or suspend because they're bound to mess stuff up here
[15:55] <loa> :D
[15:55] <void^> that was just generic javascript i think, but it shouldn't make a difference anyways
[16:14] <Arelis> is the new artwork already here?
[16:15] <FrankQ> nope
[16:28] <avsa242> Can anyone using the intel X server on the Hardy LiveCD (I've tested 915gm, 945gm) confirm that the Lavalite screensaver is only partially visible when previewing (more or less the bottom half of the lava lite is not visible)?
[16:29] <soc> hi
[16:29] <soc> a friend has a laptop (7.10) but can't get networking running (both with cable and wirless)
[16:30] <soc> cable: SIS 191 GBE Adapter Rev. 02
[16:30] <soc> wireless: Atheros AR5006GE 802.11
[16:30] <soc> how big is the chance that 8.04 will support at least one adapter?
 i think he made something wrong ><
[16:39] <BUGabundo> hy
[16:39] <BUGabundo> todays updates, left my machine quite unstable!
[16:39] <Pricey> BUGabundo, /topic
[16:39] <BUGabundo> I loose keyboard after a while
[16:39] <Pricey> !bug
[16:39] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[16:40] <BUGabundo> kmail locks
[16:40] <BUGabundo> anyone else experiencing this?
[16:40] <Pricey> BUGabundo, its a good thing you aren't using it as your primary machine for production then.
[16:40] <BUGabundo> hum.... I'm guessing it's the new kernel update...
[16:40] <BUGabundo> I'll reboot to the old one, until a new kernel comes out...
[16:41] <BUGabundo> Pricey: I'm testing Hardy...
[16:41] <BUGabundo> since I've found this new simptom, I want to check with others..
[16:42] <BUGabundo> do you expeirence this Pricey?
[16:44] <BUGabundo> anyone with the new kernel?
[16:45] <loa> yeh
[16:45] <loa> show uname -r
[16:45] <BUGabundo> 2.6.24-8-generic
[16:45] <BUGabundo> Linux rhino 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:46] <Assid> sup Pricey
[16:46] <loa> today updates?
[16:46] <BUGabundo> yep loa
[16:46] <loa> i haven't got any updates from yeasterday
[16:46] <loa> I have such kernel and all is okay
[16:47] <BUGabundo> don't remember seeing anithing for kmail (or kde) but still kmail just crashed again.
[16:47] <loa> hmm.... try to disable framebuffer support
[16:49] <BUGabundo> there goes my 1280px splash screen, lol
[16:49] <Assid> hrmm
[16:49] <loa> hehehe) other solution downgrade kernel)
[16:49] <Assid> i want some good widescreen wallpapers
[16:50] <BUGabundo> grrr there's goes kmail again... it happens when I use copy and paste!!
[16:50] <BUGabundo> rebooting to old kernel
 =)
[16:50] <BUGabundo> see you guys/gals in a bit...
[16:51] <mphill> loa: do you didn't get any update either? i always seem to get new ones at 7:37 AM
 nop...
[16:52] <loa> i have no updates about ~15 hours
[16:53] <sveri> hm, apt-get tells me the new kernel is kept back, any idea why?
[16:53] <loa> i think i have problems with apt( it didn't fetch new packages info(
[16:54] <BUGabundo> back
[16:54] <BUGabundo> Linux rhino 2.6.24-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 7 01:29:58 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:55] <BUGabundo> let me do a few tests!!!
[16:55] <BUGabundo> if no probs arise, I'll report on LP
[16:55] <BUGabundo> nope! I still crash apps using copy-paste!
[16:56] <Heretic43> Hello :-)
[16:56] <BUGabundo> hya Heretic43... did you solve your dpi porb?
[16:56] <BUGabundo> *prob
[16:57] <Heretic43> vugubundo> thibk u conf me with sbdy else.
[16:57] <Heretic43> BUGabundo
[16:58] <BUGabundo> weren't you trying yesterday to increase your text screen size?
[16:59] <Heretic43> oh, that - yes. it only works for sydyrm windows, not applications.
[16:59]  * Heretic43 misunderstiid
[17:00] <so1> loa: sorry, went offline
[17:00] <Heretic43>                  oo
[17:00] <so1> what did you say?
[17:02] <heret1c> BUGabundo> my main hassle now is to fix apt* - can't install or update anything, get a flurry of errors.
[17:02] <hyper_ch> anyone experiences Kontact crashes?
[17:02] <hyper_ch> and a missing language package?
 i think he made something wrong ><
[17:02] <BUGabundo> do you mean lock files heret1c?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> hyper_ch: I am
[17:02] <BUGabundo> actually kmail....
[17:03] <heret1c> BUGabundo> nope. w8...
[17:03] <hyper_ch> BUGabundo: dunno what crashes it... it just crashes kontact for me ;
[17:03] <hyper_ch> BUGabundo: already opened a bug report?
[17:03] <BUGabundo> hyper_ch: came here to search for anyone else with probs since the late bacht of updates
[17:03] <BUGabundo> hyper_ch: I haven't... its to fresh...
[17:03] <BUGabundo> it happens with copy and paste for me
[17:03] <BUGabundo> and you hyper_ch?
[17:04] <BUGabundo> let me check #kubuntu
[17:04] <hyper_ch> BUGabundo: what copy'n'paste?
[17:04] <hyper_ch> BUGabundo: I have the kde crash handle report
[17:04] <sveri> what exactly do you c&p?
[17:06] <BUGabundo> when I try to copy or paste any text on kmail it just freezes.... I'll have to kill it, sveri
[17:06] <sveri> hm, please be a more specific
[17:06] <sveri> i'd like to see if i can reproduce it
[17:07] <sveri> into an open email?
[17:07] <heret1c> what is the url for pasting much text, again? forgot to bm it.
[17:07] <sveri> or just in the plain inbox folder
[17:07] <sveri> heret1c: take a look at the channel topic
[17:07] <hyper_ch> filing now a bug report
[17:07] <sveri> heret1c: oh, sry
[17:07] <hyper_ch> BUGabundo: for me it just crashes shortly after it's started
[17:07] <sveri> heret1c: take this one http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/
[17:08] <BUGabundo> I'm trying to reply to emails... any acction on the To/cc/reply to boxes will crash kmail.
[17:08] <sveri> ok, lets see :-)
[17:08] <BUGabundo> trying to copy anithing from the preview windows will also freezes kmail
[17:09] <hyper_ch> BUGabundo: for me it's also kmail that crashes
[17:09] <sveri> not here
[17:09] <BUGabundo> did it start happeding after todays updates hyper_ch»?
[17:09] <sveri> i can copy anything into the to fields
[17:10] <BUGabundo> and copy from the preview windows?
[17:10] <heret1c> sveri> it's not that - a dutch ubunyu site, afaicr..
[17:10] <sveri> heret1c: you can use that one too
[17:10] <sveri> nobody forbids it :-)
[17:11] <theholyduck> hmm.
[17:11] <BUGabundo> I just crashed it again while trying to reply to a different email
[17:11] <hyper_ch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/192432
[17:11] <theholyduck> i just found something rather hillarious
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192432 in kdepim "kontact crashes (on kmail)" [Undecided,New]
[17:11] <BUGabundo> can't click on any part of kmail now, it won't respond
[17:11] <theholyduck> if you rightclick on a .tar on the livecd of hardy, or double click. nautilus crashes
[17:11] <BUGabundo> won't even close, I can just kill it
[17:11] <theholyduck> :)
[17:11] <nomasteryoda> theholyduck, nice bug
[17:12] <nomasteryoda> alpha 4?
[17:12] <theholyduck> yeah
[17:12] <theholyduck> also. i cant seem to be able to backspace more than 1 character at the time.
[17:12] <nomasteryoda> cool... had not seen that one
[17:12] <theholyduck> thuogh im only testing the livecd
[17:12] <BUGabundo> let me check it and subscrive
[17:12] <theholyduck> nomasteryoda, it really suprised me thouhg
[17:13] <theholyduck> here i was trying to extract my xchat configs.
[17:13] <theholyduck> and suddenly nautilus just crashes
[17:13] <nomasteryoda> i know the grub setup does not like my setup... it made some bogus mounts for my gutsy partition but a second set that work
[17:13] <nomasteryoda> ah
[17:13] <nomasteryoda> use tar  from terminal
[17:13] <theholyduck> hmm. this happens on loads of other things
[17:13] <theholyduck> certain folders. hardrives.
[17:14] <nomasteryoda> still ... its alpha
[17:14] <theholyduck> sure. but still.
[17:14] <theholyduck> its a really weird thingy.
[17:14] <theholyduck> it might be related to gnome mount segfaulting a while ago
[17:14] <sveri> i wonder about that kmail bug, on my computer it works flawless
[17:14] <nomasteryoda> i usually wait till beta2 to even try a new version
[17:14] <theholyduck> after that happened. nautilus got all screwy
[17:14] <theholyduck> nomasteryoda, i've used all the other ubuntu alphas
[17:15] <nomasteryoda> might be a config file for kmail
[17:15] <theholyduck> for 6.10. 7.04 and 7.10
[17:15] <theholyduck> but i never seen anything like this
[17:15] <theholyduck> i guess its because for once. they are adding loads of features?
[17:15] <nomasteryoda> ya, but this one has so much more new stuff... like the new permissions model
[17:15] <nomasteryoda> policy kit
[17:15] <BUGabundo> it might nomasteryoda
[17:15] <nomasteryoda> = police kit
[17:15] <BUGabundo> I'll remove mine and start fresh
[17:15] <sveri> nomasteryoda: new permission model? where can i read something bout it?
[17:15] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[17:16] <nomasteryoda> policy kit
[17:16] <theholyduck> isnt it just using selinux more with some more gui stuff for it?
[17:16] <nomasteryoda> more granular user level permissions
[17:16] <theholyduck> or. am i mistaken?
[17:16] <nomasteryoda> dk
[17:16] <nomasteryoda> think similar, but easier to deal with
[17:17] <nomasteryoda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/policykit-integration
[17:17] <BUGabundo> as I see it, policy kit, would not allow or allow the use of kmail... shouldn't make it crash after it was open...
[17:17] <sveri> thanks
[17:17] <BUGabundo> specially after user input, as it is my case
[17:17] <nomasteryoda> yup
[17:18] <BUGabundo> remaning kmail.conf
[17:18] <nomasteryoda> i've seen lots of issues with kmail... i moved my wife over to thunderbird after it kept losing all her addresses with upgrade to new version
[17:18] <BUGabundo> starting kmail fresh
[17:18] <nomasteryoda> she was not a happy camper with linux at that time
[17:18] <sveri> so this policy thing is only for gnome
[17:19] <BUGabundo> I can repeat it too
[17:19] <BUGabundo> with new kmailrc
[17:19] <BUGabundo> and no old accounts loaded, if I open a new email and type anything kmail will freeze
[17:24] <Assid> have they fixed X yet?
[17:24] <Assid> ever since the last update..  i cant get XGL
[17:24] <Assid> and my framerates look bad
[17:24] <Assid> even on metacity
[17:24] <BUGabundo> I give up.....
[17:25] <BUGabundo> I'll try again latter... maybe there are new updates!
[17:25] <BUGabundo> xau
[17:33] <Heretic43> gaim crash.
[17:47] <heret1c> this is an odd error; $ sudo aptitude
[17:47] <heret1c> sudo: unable to resolve host HereticHQ
[17:48] <hyper_ch> heret1c: sounds like your network isn't properly setup
[17:49] <WorkingOnWise> what do I install to have glx working? Nvidia GeForce Go 6100 laptop.
[17:49] <cusco> I am running hardy right now and I don't have numpad....
[17:50] <cusco> on the keyboard
[17:50] <cusco> anybody experiencing this as well?
[17:50] <heret1c> hyper_ch> indeed. something happened during the hardy upgrade.
[17:50] <hyper_ch> heret1c: can you run any other sudo command?
[17:50] <hyper_ch> heret1c: e.g. sudo ls -al
[17:51] <h3sp4wn_> Am I really the only one with a broken gtk ?
[17:51] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn_: yes, you are
[17:51] <cusco> you can't say that
[17:51] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn_: "normal" people don't use gtk ^^
[17:52] <cusco> normal people use gtk2
[17:52] <h3sp4wn_> I ment gtk2 sorry
[17:52] <cusco> np
[17:52] <hyper_ch> normal people use QT ;)
[17:52] <h3sp4wn_> But not being able to run emacs ?
[17:52] <cusco> no
[17:52] <sodoku> can somebody help me with package conflicts of language packages?
[17:52] <cusco> I dunno your defenitio for "normal peopl"
[17:53] <cusco> but if you say "majority" then gtk2 is the thang
[17:53] <h3sp4wn_> normal aint me
[17:53] <hyper_ch> sodoku: well, same issue here... the deendency isn't available I guess
[17:53] <heret1c> hyper_ch> same result. the error, then it executes the command without errors.
[17:53] <sodoku> that's bad
[17:53] <h3sp4wn_> But I really haven't messed with that
[17:53] <sodoku> as I can't install software
[17:53] <hyper_ch> heret1c: output pls
[17:53] <cusco> sodoku: what is the output?
[17:54] <hyper_ch> sodoku: use aptitude instead... it should offer different alternatives ... just select one where the langauge package is being ignored
[17:54] <cowbud> does anyone else see a big problem with say Add-ons also being called extensions. This has been a firefox issue in general but it becomes completely apparent with the new firefox 3 push. I go to Tools->Addons. I see Extensions and then I see Get Add-ons wtf?! pick one name..
[17:54] <heret1c> hyper_ch> too much to paste. om?
[17:54] <hyper_ch> !pastebin | heret1c
[17:54] <ubotu> heret1c: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[17:54] <sodoku> hyper_ch: I tried aptitude, but it doesn't work
[17:55] <sodoku> is complains about openoffice,org-hyphenation
[17:55] <hyper_ch> sodoku: what did you try with aptitude?
[17:55]  * heret1c dips hat at ubuntu
[17:55] <h3sp4wn_> dpkg -P --force-depends language-support-writing-en
[17:56] <h3sp4wn_> (check that is the metapackage first
[17:56] <sodoku> paste.ubuntu.com/4661/
[17:57] <sodoku> h3sp4wn_: ill try
[17:57] <heret1c> hyper_ch>> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56247/
[17:58] <h3sp4wn_> You can force overrwrite also if you read the logs of this channel this has been discussed at least 3/4 times in the last few hours
[17:58] <hyper_ch> heret1c: pastebin:   cat /etc/hosts  and   cat /etc/hostname
[17:59] <sodoku> h3sp4wn_: sorry for that, ill do this the next time
[17:59] <sodoku> where can I find the channel logs?
[18:00] <hyper_ch> sodoku: that depends on your client
[18:00] <h3sp4wn_> sodoku: Its not a major problem but people are more likely to be terse after a while
[18:00] <Ryoushi> Hey, for some reason, X is reading a left click and release as a double click...
[18:01] <Ryoushi> It's causing a lot of problems.
[18:01] <h3sp4wn_> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/16/%23ubuntu+1.html
[18:01] <sodoku> hyper_ch: I am using pidgin, so I guess it doestn have this feature
[18:01] <hyper_ch> sodoku: I guess you will have to enable logging there
[18:02] <hyper_ch> sodoku: most im/irc programs can log... some have this turned on by default, others not...
[18:02] <hyper_ch> sodoku: if it's not turned on and you enable it now, it'll probably only work for new posts
[18:02] <heret1c> hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56248/
[18:03] <Ryoushi> any ideas on mine?
[18:03] <heret1c> ah - blacklisted ipb6 disappeaared during the ypgrade.
[18:04] <WorkingOnWise> gill disabling composite disable glx?
[18:04] <WorkingOnWise> gill=will
[18:04] <hyper_ch> heret1c: hmmm, that's not what i suspected... seems to be fine there.... the other day i did not have the right hostname in my hosts file and that gave me a lot of problems with sudo
[18:05] <hyper_ch> heret1c: it just sounded like you have a similar problem
[18:05] <hyper_ch> heret1c: actually ;)
[18:05] <hyper_ch> heret1c: if I'm right, you need to boot into recovery mode and add just HereticHQ also to your /etc/hosts
[18:05] <Ryoushi> ...X keeps reading a click and a release as a double click.  This is becoming a major issue.  Please help.
[18:06] <hyper_ch> heret1c: right now you have an entry 127.0.1.1 HereticHQ.tellus
[18:06] <hyper_ch> heret1c: maybe problems will be solved if you add:   127.0.0.1 HereticHQ
[18:06] <crimsun_> WorkingOnWise: no.
[18:06] <hyper_ch> heret1c: sorry, 127.0.1.1 HereticHQ
[18:06] <hyper_ch> heret1c: try that :)
[18:06] <heret1c> will do.
[18:07] <WorkingOnWise> what do i need to install on my geforce go 6100 to enable glx?
[18:07] <h3sp4wn_> glx should always be enabled
[18:07] <cusco> WorkingOnWise: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:07] <cusco> chose to load glx module
[18:07] <WorkingOnWise> it isnt according to glxinfo
[18:07] <h3sp4wn_> direct rendering is not glx though
[18:07] <Ryoushi> X is reading my left click and release as a double click.  This is quickly starting to annoy me.  Please help
[18:08] <WorkingOnWise> cusco: what if that doesnt work?
[18:08] <cusco> "what" doesn't work? glx module is loaded
[18:09] <Ryoushi> Is anyone going to even attempt to answer my question, or should I just leave and give up?
[18:09] <cusco> WorkingOnWise: are you using the restricted drivers?!
[18:09] <WorkingOnWise> cusco: yes
[18:09] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience | Ryoushi
[18:09] <ubotu> Ryoushi: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:09] <cusco> WorkingOnWise: im going to install binary nvidia driver... be right back...
[18:10] <WorkingOnWise> cusco: k
[18:10] <h3sp4wn_> WorkingOnWise: http://jonsmirl.googlepages.com/graphics.html (that will let you understand the terminology)
[18:10] <Artimus> I accidentally removed my KDE Launcher from the KDE Menu in KDE4.  How can I add it back?  I've got a launcher on my desktop, but I can't move it into the panel...
[18:11] <Artimus> Right now, the Task Manager is taking up all of the panel.  If I remove it, could I add my launcher back and then the TaskManager Back?  I don't want to remove my TaskManager is the code isn't there to add it again.
[18:12] <heret1c> hyper_ch> done.
[18:12] <hyper_ch> heret1c: you're on another machine?
[18:12] <heret1c> hyper_ch> no - why?
[18:13] <hyper_ch> heret1c: you were able to edit the hosts file as root?
[18:13] <heret1c> hyper_ch> indeed.
[18:14] <hyper_ch> heret1c: hmmm.... then it was definitively not the same problem I had ;)
[18:14] <WorkingOnWise> h3sp4wn_: my problem is that for some reason, glx is missing, which is breaking my wine aps. I know it had to be present at one time because I used Google SketchUp with no problems last week, where I cant now. I do a glxinfo anf it reports that "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"."
[18:17] <cusco> WorkingOnWise: is working fine... compiz fusion is working fine (if thats where you wnat to get)
[18:17] <cusco> WorkingOnWise: let me show you my xorg.conf
[18:18] <cusco> WorkingOnWise: http://rafb.net/p/Roc80M77.html
[18:18] <cusco> look at the last lines in there
[18:20] <WorkingOnWise> cusco: actually I intentionally disabled composit trying to figure out a wierd opengl problem in wine. I see in the modules section, it specifice glx. without that, would you have glx?
[18:21] <cusco> I don't think so
[18:21] <WorkingOnWise> if I enable composite, cf works great....
[18:21] <cusco> not sure tho
[18:21] <cusco> try to load glx mod
[18:21] <WorkingOnWise> what fideo do u have?
[18:21] <WorkingOnWise> video...
[18:21] <cusco> 8800gts
[18:22] <WorkingOnWise> thats the same family as the go 6100 right?
[18:22] <cusco> no
[18:22] <cusco> but uses teh same driver
[18:22] <WorkingOnWise> is there a good reason why it stopped working? glx i mean....
[18:22] <cusco> I dunno
[18:23] <cusco> try add it to the modules bit and restart X
[18:23] <WorkingOnWise> I'll use your config as a template and figure it out. thanks
[18:23] <heret1c> heret1c: hyper_ch> the apt problem persists -news at
[18:23] <cusco> my keypad is not working anybody experiencing the same thing?
[18:23] <hyper_ch> heret1c: pastebin:  sudo apt-get update
[18:23] <heret1c> heret1c: hyper_ch> the apt problem persists -news at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56250/ :)
[18:25] <hyper_ch> heret1c: sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:25] <cusco> that won't fix it
[18:25] <WorkingOnWise> restarting x..brb
[18:27] <heret1c> hyper_ch> sudo apt-get update at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56251/
[18:27] <hyper_ch> heret1c: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:30] <heret1c> hyper_ch> have to be afk dor an hour or two.
[18:31] <heret1c> it's dl'ing now.
[18:33] <rsk> my firefox icon got black after i installed firefox3
[18:33] <rsk> any way to fix?
[18:33] <hyper__ch> heret1c: is it installing?
[18:34] <heret1c> hyper_ch> w8...
[18:37] <heret1c> hyper_ch> dma is disabled, so things are s l  o   w....
[18:39] <heret1c> hyper_ch> error persists. hae to afk, dinner appointment. bb is an hoyr or two.
[18:56] <Zambezi> Anyone having problem with rtorrent? I have errormessages on several files after last upgrade.
[18:56] <kalpik> Zambezi, a lot of things are broken atm
[18:56] <rsk> Zambezi: works fine for me
[18:57] <Zambezi> rsk: Only unfinished files have the errormessages.
[18:58] <Zambezi> kalpik: It's pretty good here except rtorrent.
[18:58] <hyper__ch> Zambezi: nope, compiled it from svn
[18:58] <void^> !info rtorrent hardy
[18:58] <ubotu> rtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7.8-1 (hardy), package size 351 kB, installed size 948 kB
[18:58] <hyper__ch> Zambezi:  *** rTorrent 0.7.9/0.11.9 - xubi:7147 ***
[18:58] <hyper__ch> Zambezi: runs perfectly...
[18:58] <Zambezi> void^: Didn't get the info. I have antiflood-script.
[18:59] <Zambezi> This is the errormessages: Storage error: [File chunk write error: Cannot allocate memory.]
[18:59] <Zambezi> Space free, memory free.
[18:59] <void^> using too many upload/download slots and running out of virtual memory?
[19:00] <hyper__ch> Zambezi: well, seems like you're lacking diskspace
[19:00] <hyper__ch> Zambezi: 500mb will be saved and not touched
[19:00] <Zambezi> void^: Don't think so.
[19:00] <Zambezi> hyper__ch: I have 300 GB free.
[19:01] <void^> right, could be filesystem issue too.. or a filesystem that doesn't support mmap() or has funny mmap bugs
[19:01] <Zambezi> void^: It's the first time I experience this.
[19:03] <hyper__ch> Zambezi: df -l
[19:05] <mohbana> have adobe put reader into the repos?
[19:07] <hyper__ch> mohbana: apt-cache search acroread
[19:09] <Zambezi> mohbana: Not in mine, but I don't mind. I prefer xpdf.
[19:10] <mohbana> there isa huge difference in fonts between evince xpdf, adobe trashes them all
[19:12] <Zambezi> mohbana: I only view scanned documents so it's fine with me.
[19:29] <LimCore> ubuntu is so full of bugs :(
[19:29] <LimCore> I found 2 bugs in last 30 minutes
[19:31] <Zambezi> LimCore: Which?
[19:31] <Zambezi> It was problem earlier with unmounting my iPod, USB-memory etc.
[19:31] <LimCore> Zambezi: kgpg crashed ; kmail do not clear data after rm -rf .kde/shared/apps/kmail
[19:34] <LimCore> for example, after   rm -rf .kde/shared/apps/kamil  # die bitch, DIE!!!!1111    still my settings, accounts and identities in kmail are preserved... is that expected? what to delete to get rid of it
[19:34] <LimCore> s/kamil/kmail
[19:47] <smallfoot-> i use alhpa4+updates, when i select System->Preferences->Appearence, and select to use "deskop effects" it say it cant
[19:47] <smallfoot-> but it worked before, but not anymore
[19:49] <LimCore> are there any plans to make ubuntu as good as window-world, regarding number of bugs in popular applications?
[19:50] <smallfoot-> when update manager download new version of X, please just restart X instead of restart the whole computer
[19:56] <aLeSD> hi all
[19:57] <aLeSD> what I have to install to have the windows where I can set the advance settings of compiz ?
[19:57] <aLeSD> :)
[19:58] <aLeSD> compizGnomeManager ?
[19:58] <smallfoot-> compizconfig thing
[19:58] <smallfoot-> search for compizconfig
[19:59] <smallfoot-> CompizConfig Settings Manager (CCSM)
[20:00] <aLeSD> smallfoot-:'t the window ... I installed it but no ... I haven
[20:00] <aLeSD> ops
[20:00] <aLeSD> I installed it but no option in aspect preference
[20:01] <aLeSD> but with ccsm works
[20:01] <aLeSD> I mean the binary
[20:01] <aLeSD> from the console
[20:08]  * heret1c returns
[20:17] <heret1c> hyper_ch> u there?
[20:22] <weedar> I know this isn't a popular question, but still...Changing gutsy-references to hardy in sources.list and then apt-get update + upgrade will upgrade me to hardy, right?
[20:23] <rsk> weedar: update-manager -d
[20:24] <heret1c>     sudo :)
[20:24] <rsk> sssh
[20:24] <weedar> rsk: I'm on kubuntu, but couldn't find any upgrade option similar to update-manager
[20:25] <rsk> it didn't work?
[20:25] <weedar> update-manager -d doesn't exist in Kubuntu, unfortunately
[20:26] <rsk> ah.
[20:26] <smallfoot-> and nobody is in #kubuntu+1 :(
[20:26] <weedar> smallfoot-: I know, I tried that channel after lack of response in #kubuntu
[20:26] <weedar> It's so weird, I find all kinds of pages explaining how to upgrade ubuntu, but for kubuntu there is none
[20:27] <RyanPrior> Is there a way to get Java working with Firefox 3?
[20:27] <rsk> RyanPrior: hehe dunno, it's broken for me
[20:28] <RyanPrior> When I go to a page with Java it always brings up the message saying I need to install a plugin.
[20:28] <RyanPrior> Does anybody have it working?
[20:28] <rsk> aha
[20:28] <rsk> i have it working in that sense
[20:28] <rsk> but it's broken displaying pages like crap
[20:29] <RyanPrior> Which plugin do you have installed?
[20:30] <rsk> dunno
[20:32] <effie_jayx> I try to update hardy and I can't :S
[20:32] <rsk> :S
[20:32] <effie_jayx> do I have to use full-update now like in debian?
[20:33] <heret1c> effie_jayx> sudo update-manager -d
[20:33] <rsk> um?
[20:34] <heret1c> effie_jayx> assuming u habe gutsy.
[20:34] <effie_jayx> heret1c,  I upgraded from gutsy
[20:34] <effie_jayx> but some things are still not fully installed
[20:35] <heret1c> effie_jayx: I try to update hardy and I can't :S
[20:35] <heret1c> effie_jayx: heret1c,  I upgraded from gutsy
[20:35] <heret1c> murually exclusive. :-)
[20:35] <heret1c>    t
[20:36] <effie_jayx> heret1c, but I run updates and it just doesn't upgrade
[20:36] <rsk> effie_jayx: about ubuntu, what does it say?
[20:36] <rsk> and what updates did you run?
[20:36] <heret1c> effie_jayx> sudo update-manager -d
[20:37] <effie_jayx> heret1c,  it is downloading now
[20:37] <heret1c>  d(ist)
[20:37] <rsk> heret1c: dist-upgrade wont upgrade to hardy
[20:38] <effie_jayx> rsk,  it doesn't say much... it just retains packages
[20:38] <rsk> er.
[20:38] <effie_jayx> when I was in feisty and upgraded I only used dist-upgrade
[20:39] <effie_jayx> I know debian has changed this to full-upgrade and so on
[20:39] <rsk> effie_jayx: yes that works.
[20:39] <rsk> effie_jayx: that is an supported official upgrade.
[20:39] <effie_jayx> I get an error with an openoffice-hyphenation-en package
[20:39] <heret1c> ubuntu isn't debian. debianBASED is.
[20:40] <rsk> effie_jayx: dist-upgrade will only work if you changed sources.list to hardy
[20:40] <effie_jayx> rsk I did
[20:40] <heret1c>  s/ubuntu is d.
[20:41] <effie_jayx> 262 pacakges retained
[20:41] <effie_jayx> :S
[20:41] <effie_jayx> it is one borken package from openoffice
[20:44] <effie_jayx> it seems lke an openoffice package has broken dependencies
[20:45] <heret1c> effie_jayx> use synaptic, edit > fix broken package
[20:45] <effie_jayx> ok
[20:45] <effie_jayx> I am reinstalling
[20:45] <RyanPrior> Does anybody have Java working in Firefox on Hardy?
[20:47] <effie_jayx> can't be fixed
[20:52] <effie_jayx> it says that the package openoffice.org-hyphenation-es-us_2.3-5_all.deb is trying to overwrite '/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in openoffice.org-hyphenation
[20:54] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, try this http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=11
[20:54] <effie_jayx> Andre_Gondim,  thanks...
[20:55] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, :D
[20:55] <regulate> RyanPrior: yes, using icedtea-java7-plugin
[20:56] <RyanPrior> regulate: I installed that, and Java pages still don't load.
[20:56] <RyanPrior> regulate: I'm going to try restarting Firefox now, in case that's part of the problem.
[20:56] <Bjwebb> hi
[20:56] <rbs-tito> !hi | Bjwebb
[20:56] <ubotu> Bjwebb: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[20:57] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: lol
[20:57] <rbs-tito> :)
[20:57] <Bjwebb> anyway im on an alpha
[20:57] <Bjwebb> and i can't get terminal!!!?!
[20:57] <Bjwebb> (live cd)
[20:58] <RyanPrior> Restarting Firefox seems to have done something -- at least now it recognizes that there is a java applet rather than asking me to install a plugin.
[20:58] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: You can't run gnome-terminal?
[20:58] <Bjwebb> no
[20:58] <Zambezi> Bjwebb: What happens when you try?
[20:58] <Bjwebb> nothing
[20:58] <Bjwebb> it just doens't appear
[20:59] <Zambezi> Bjwebb: Where is it in the menu?
[20:59] <Bjwebb> and ctrl+alt+f1 just has a load of squashfs errors
[20:59] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: If you need to run a command immediately, youu can press ctrl + alt  + f2 to open a text session
[20:59] <rbs-tito> The ctrl alt f7 will take you back into X
[20:59] <Bjwebb> i know that
[20:59] <Bjwebb> but ctr+alt+f1-6 are filled with squashfs errors
[21:00] <rbs-tito> Is your media definitely intact? Did you check MD5sums or run the media test from the CD menu?
[21:01] <Bjwebb> ah
[21:01] <effie_jayx> Andre_Gondim,  dkpg fails to do the trick... dpkg: se necesita una opción de acción
[21:01] <effie_jayx> :S
[21:01] <RyanPrior> Does anybody have the IcedTea Java plugin for Firefox?
[21:01] <RyanPrior> That is, Firefox 3 beta 3?
[21:01] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, wait a few
[21:01] <Zambezi> Bjwebb: Why are you trying Hardy? Just curious.
[21:01] <Bjwebb> hmmm, i downloaded it over bitorrent and verified the burning in k3b
[21:02] <Bjwebb> Zambezi: because i fancy trying ubuntu (im a kubuntu user) don't want to mess my kubuntu setup (extra gnome apps) and thought ill try the newest stuff
[21:02] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, try this sudo dpkg --force-all -i openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb
[21:02] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: but no, ive not done the media test
[21:03] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Might be a good place to start. But Hardy is still pretty early in it's dev cycle, so you might not have any luck
[21:03] <Zambezi> Bjwebb: But trying an Alpha on LiveCD isn't the best way then cause it's updated very often and many things changes.
[21:03] <Bjwebb> Zambezi: oh, im thinking of installing
[21:03] <rbs-tito> Gutsy is still fairly new, and very stable
[21:03] <effie_jayx> Andre_Gondim,  done... one happy hardy user :D
[21:04] <RyanPrior> Installing Hardy is a good way to find bugs, that's all I'll say. Because you will find them, in abundance.
[21:04] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, =]
[21:04] <Bjwebb> main reason i want terminal is to kill firefox
[21:04] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Can you alt + f2 for the gnome run dialogue
[21:04] <rbs-tito> and use
[21:04] <rbs-tito> gksudo killall firefox-bin
[21:04] <Zambezi> Bjwebb: Then I suggest Gusty, then upgrade to Hardy.
[21:04] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, I will replace this in my blog
[21:04] <effie_jayx> Andre_Gondim, funny how it was your blog post that prompt me to update my hardy box
[21:05] <effie_jayx> Andre_Gondim,  and you who helped me fix the issue
[21:05] <Bjwebb> Zambezi: oh, is firefox run as root on live cd?
[21:05] <ethana2> The new kernel is part of the weasel series!
[21:05] <ethana2> ....weasel?
[21:05] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: ubuntu is based on sudo, the root account is disabled
[21:05] <Bjwebb> i know
[21:05] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: But you'll probably need sudo to kill the firefox-bin process
[21:06] <Bjwebb> hmmm
[21:06] <ethana2> at the end of the day, when vista's ripped off of us as much as it can...
[21:06] <ethana2> we use 1/4 as much RAM
[21:06] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Is alt f2 not working?
[21:07] <Bjwebb> well, it pops up
[21:07] <Andre_Gondim> effie_jayx, :D
[21:07] <Bjwebb> im not sure if the command is running
[21:07] <Bjwebb> but firefox is still being tricky
[21:07] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Are you using gksudo?
[21:08] <Bjwebb> yeah
[21:09] <theAtom> hello
[21:09] <theAtom> what happens if I type: sudo update-manager -d  ?
[21:09] <rsk> theAtom: you upgrade to hardy
[21:09] <theAtom> whats hardy?
[21:09] <rsk> next version of ubuntu
[21:09] <theAtom> have u done it?
[21:10] <rsk> yes
[21:10] <heret1c> unriddle me this (synaptic error) - E: gnome-games-data: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[21:10] <theAtom> any good?
[21:10] <rsk> dunno
[21:10] <theAtom> rsk, any different?
[21:10] <rbs-tito> theAtom: The version of Ubuntu that isn't finished yet. It isn't stable, maybe not safe, and is only for experienced users and developers at present
[21:10] <theAtom> rsk, are you mentally handicapped?
[21:10] <rsk> theAtom: no
[21:10] <theAtom> rbs-tito, not safe?
[21:10] <rbs-tito> !coc | theAtom
[21:10] <ubotu> theAtom: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[21:11] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Yes, there is no guarantee that we have identified all of the security problems yet
[21:11] <theAtom> rbs-tito, i was just asking because rsk seems to say "dunno" a lot
[21:11] <rsk> someone please ban him?
[21:11] <Zambezi> theAtom: Are you done here?
[21:11] <heret1c> theAtom> ir's an alpha version. means it's inheretly unstable.
[21:11] <rsk> i have only said dunno _once_
[21:11] <theAtom> rbs-tito, so its safer to stay with 7.10?
[21:11] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Absolutely
[21:11] <theAtom> Zambezi, define "done"
[21:11] <rsk> i wonder who's the handicapped
[21:11] <theAtom> rbs-tito, ok thanks
[21:11] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Hardy will be finished in April
[21:11] <theAtom> rbs-tito, it started when I typed: sudo update-manager -d
[21:11] <theAtom> but I stopped it
[21:12] <theAtom> how do I reverse it?
[21:12] <rbs-tito> theAtom: If it caused a problem, technical support is in #ubuntu
[21:12] <theAtom> it didnt
[21:12] <theAtom> runs good
[21:12] <rbs-tito> There we are then :S
[21:12] <heret1c> cd / | sudo rm -f *
[21:12] <theAtom> but I stopped it 10 secs into it
[21:13] <rbs-tito> !coc| heret1c
[21:13] <ubotu> heret1c: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[21:13] <theAtom> rbs-tito, can I ask u something quicjly?  u got 2mins?
[21:13] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Yes, but for the sake of the channel you might be better off sending a private message
[21:13] <Bjwebb> what is the livecd passowrd?
[21:13] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Should be blank
[21:14] <heret1c> ubotu> sorry.
[21:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sorry. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:14] <rbs-tito> heret1c: Ubotu is a robot :D
[21:14] <theAtom> rbs-tito, i have 2 HDD. My internal one runs as normal with Windows.  But during POST, I press ESC and it shows my external hard drive, which then loads Grub, and then Ubuntu.   But I forgot how I got GRUB on my second hard drive.   Can u help me?
[21:14] <theAtom> rbs-tito, ok sorry
[21:14] <heret1c> rbs> i know. 8)
[21:14] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: hmm im giving up with this
[21:14] <theAtom> Bjwebb, with what?
[21:15] <crasher52008> hi I am trying to install Hardy Alpha4 but I have a couple of problems that prevent me from starting the installation. They have been documented, but there is no solution yet. Can someone help me out?
[21:15] <Bjwebb> hmmm
[21:15] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: mayabe it would be better to upgrade
[21:15] <bardyr> crasher52008, wait for alpha5 or download a daily build :)
[21:15] <Bjwebb> i have an old feisty partition, so maybe ill use that
[21:15] <rbs-tito> theAtom: I'm not sure sorry, I don't know much about GRUB
[21:15] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Possibly. Can you not install from the CD and take it from there?
[21:16] <theAtom> rbs-tito, I think it was: sudo grub-install /dev/sdb
[21:16] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Or use the alternate CD, I prefer alternate
[21:16] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: i dunno
[21:16] <rbs-tito> theAtom: I'm not sure what you've done; I don't really know how GRUB works. Isn't my area sorry
[21:16] <crasher52008> anyone?
[21:16] <Bjwebb> im a bit apprhensive about installing with this cd
[21:16] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Alternate is an Ncurses installer
[21:17] <theAtom> rbs-tito, pok np
[21:17] <Zambezi> theAtom: Grow up kiddie. I don't need to define anything. :-)
[21:17] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: yeah i know
[21:17] <theAtom> Zambezi, u dont if you cany define the word
[21:18] <theAtom> Zambezi, so np daddy
[21:18] <rbs-tito> Zambezi: This might be one of the nerdier channels, but I think we should still be courteous to everyone; it says so in the code of conduct.
[21:18] <theAtom> rbs-tito, thank you
[21:18] <theAtom> Zambezi, yeah, listen to rbs-tito , he is a nice person
[21:18] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: yeah, but alternate would take time to download and burn
[21:18] <theAtom> :-)
[21:19] <Zambezi> rbs-tito: That's why I erased and re-wrote another, more friendlier answer. ;-)
[21:19] <theAtom> Bjwebb, alternate worked for me, the liveCD didnt
[21:19] <rbs-tito> theAtom: I don't mean to be rude, but this channel is where we actually talk about Hardy, you might be better off in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic, we all have lots of work to do before Hardy release.
[21:19] <theAtom> Zambezi, be friendly from the first comment, that way u wont need to rewrite anything :-)
[21:19] <theAtom> rbs-tito, ok,understood
[21:19] <Bjwebb> hmmm, does ubuntu do a netinstall cd?
[21:19] <crasher52008> so can anyone help me install Hardy then?
[21:19] <theAtom> ill just sit back and read and learn instead :)
[21:20] <theAtom> rbs-tito, i didnt realise you were a developer
[21:20] <heret1c> &me is miffed by being told off by botty on a (faulted) technicality - he missed the crucial -r 8-)
[21:20] <theAtom> rbs-tito, if I upgrade to hardy, can I still login to my banking website using firefox safely?
[21:20] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: AFAIK, but don't take my word for it, you can point the Debian net install CD to the UBuntu repositories. Research first though, because i'm not sure how safe it is
[21:21] <Bjwebb> hmmmm
[21:21] <Bjwebb> ill not risk it
[21:21] <Zambezi> crasher52008: It's same process like other Ubuntu version.
[21:21] <rbs-tito> theAtom: My bank doesn't even let me log in with the dev version of firefox. I'm on the bugsquad, not the developers team.
[21:21] <theAtom> rbs-tito, ok, but will firefox still be secure if I upgrade?
[21:22] <crasher52008> Zambezi care to look or?
[21:22] <rbs-tito> I couldn't tell you. We address security issues as they come, but Firefox 3 is still in beta so there can be no guarantees that everything is perfect.
[21:22] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: hmm, im going to reboot into my actual system, ill probably be back to hassle you in a bit
[21:22] <Zambezi> rbs-tito: Oh. There you said something. I haven't tried to login on my bank after getting FF 3(b3).
[21:22] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: I'm here til 4am!
[21:23] <theAtom> rbs-tito, thanks , ok understood
[21:23] <rbs-tito> Zambezi: Mine, Natwest UK, doesn't even allow it with the beta builds of firefox.
[21:23] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: hopefully i won't be here that long
[21:23] <rbs-tito> Here's to hoping :)
[21:23] <Bjwebb> rbs-tito: so, they allow firefox, but not betas?
[21:23] <Zambezi> crasher52008: I think you can make it, but we're here to help. But if you haven't used Ubuntu before, then I suggest Gutsy instead.
[21:23] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Yeah
[21:23] <Bjwebb> thats interesting
[21:23] <rbs-tito> Bjwebb: Makes sense.
[21:24] <Bjwebb> hmmm
[21:24] <Bjwebb> i dunno
[21:24] <Bjwebb> if they block firefox betas, they ought to block windows users too
[21:24] <rbs-tito> Ha!
[21:24] <Bjwebb> and couldn't you get around it with a user agent switcher anyway?
[21:24] <rbs-tito> Most likely, but on your head be it. It's only your details you might risk, your risk, your loss.
[21:25] <Bjwebb> yeah
[21:25] <Bjwebb> but, has anyone ever successfully exploited something in a firefox beta? especially one that is running on top of linux?
[21:26] <rbs-tito> I'm not sure, Firefox has had it's holes, the difference is in OSS the fixes come within hours. In Internet Explorer they come in months, if at all.
[21:26] <Bjwebb> yeah
[21:26] <Bjwebb> anyway, cya
[21:27] <\u2665> can anyone get the nvidia drivers to work?
[21:28] <Mark_M> What card to you have u2665?
[21:29] <\u2665> nvidia 9300
[21:29] <\u2665> err, 7300
[21:29] <Mark_M> I have an older 5200 ultra
[21:29] <Mark_M> So the nVidia drivers don't work?
[21:29] <\u2665> well, I've been hacking around with my xorg.conf for a while
[21:29] <\u2665> and nothing seems to work...
[21:30] <Zambezi> rbs-tito: Works fine for me to login. :-)
[21:30] <Mark_M> I am using version 100.14.19 but I am still on Gutsy
[21:30] <theAtom> \u2665, ill try
[21:30] <Mark_M> The live CD drivers work but they aren't the optimized nVidia ones
[21:30] <crasher52008> ok I have been using ubuntu for 8 months
[21:30] <\u2665> nvidia-glx-new loads
[21:31] <\u2665> but doesn't give me glx
[21:31] <crasher52008> I had no problems with Feisty
[21:31]  * \u2665 agrees
[21:31] <\u2665> and then gutsy came along...
[21:31] <crasher52008> but ever since Gutsy I have problems with my HDD
[21:31] <rbs-tito> Zambezi: Natwest UK?
[21:31] <Mark_M> I have no problems with Gutsy
[21:31] <crasher52008> that is why I was hoping that Hardy will solve those
[21:32] <Mark_M> I am thinking about jumping into Hardy today because of my webcam not working in Gutsy
[21:32] <Mark_M> It works in Hardy and Feisty but not in Gutsy
[21:32] <\u2665> I might just download the nvidia binary installer
[21:32] <rbs-tito> Zambezi: " The Internet browser you are using is not supported by online banking. Use the link below to see the complete list of browsers we support.
[21:32] <rbs-tito> "
[21:32] <bjwebb> im back :D
[21:32] <rbs-tito> Hello
[21:32] <Mark_M> I had success with the nVidia installer in Feisty
[21:32] <\u2665> Mark_M: the gutsy kernel triple faults about every half hour for me
[21:33] <Mark_M> Didn't need it in Gutsy...it installed natively
[21:33] <Mark_M> I have version 100.14.19 running nicely in Gutsy
[21:33] <crasher52008> I run the installation in sage graphics mode but I get this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireless-tools/+bug/188282
[21:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188282 in wireless-tools "hardy install alpha4 loops: broadcom: no firmware file" [Undecided,New]
[21:34] <crasher52008> plus I can't start X to start the installation
[21:35] <crasher52008> anyone wants to help?
[21:35] <rbs-tito> crasher52008: Comment on the bug report saying you can confirm it. If it's a bug then you likely won't be able to get around it until it's fixed
[21:35] <bjwebb> hmmm
[21:35] <bjwebb> is there much chance that the hardy install will fry my partitions?
[21:35] <bjwebb> and would you recommed alpha4 or nightly?
[21:36] <rsk> nightly
[21:36] <rbs-tito> bjwebb: It didn't fry mine, an I joined at alpha2
[21:36] <bjwebb> okay
[21:36] <ethana2> btw, is the open office hyphenation conflict gone yet?
[21:36] <rsk> nope ethana2
[21:36] <ethana2> drat
[21:36] <ethana2> i have abiword....
[21:36] <Mark_M> I just checked the box for gutsy-proposed in update-manager
[21:37] <ethana2> will it go away if i just remove openoffice?
[21:37] <Mark_M> Should I take the plunge?
[21:37] <bjwebb> that reminds me, is OO.o in ubuntu going to have OOXML (Obviously Obfuscated XML) support before OO.o 3?
[21:37] <ethana2> Mark_M: that's not hardy i don't think
[21:37] <ethana2> eeeewww
[21:37] <ethana2> microsoft has no right to make standards until they abide by them
[21:37] <ethana2> i will not use ooxml, period
[21:37] <rbs-tito> Mark_M: Gutsy proposed is different to Hardy
[21:38] <ethana2> until Office supports .odt..  then I'll use .odt anyway
[21:38] <crasher52008> ok, I have problem with X ... it says Fatal server error: no screens found waiting for X server to being accepting connections giving up. xinit:Connection reset by peer (errno 104): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such provess (errno 3): Server error
[21:38] <bjwebb> ethana2: hooray to that!
[21:38] <Mark_M> I guess you are right
[21:38] <rbs-tito> I use ODT for works in progress and PDF for finished documents
[21:38] <bjwebb> rbs-tito: yeah, makes sense
[21:38] <Mark_M> I forget how to activate the hardy repository
[21:38] <ethana2> .pdf confuses me..
[21:38] <crasher52008> i just can't set it up correctly i guess
[21:38] <bjwebb> ?
[21:38] <ethana2> i don't know whether its an open standard or an adobe proprietary thing
[21:39] <heret1c> crasher52008> have u tried using an old xorg.conf?
[21:39] <bjwebb> i think its an open standard
[21:39] <bjwebb> isn't it?
[21:39] <rbs-tito> heret1c: Is that a good idea? Considering the big upgrade to Xorg
[21:39] <ethana2> bjwebb: perhaps...
[21:39] <crasher52008> i am installing Hardy right now, i don't have an old xorg.conf :(
[21:40] <rbs-tito> heret1c: My xorg.conf looks nothing like my pre 7.3 xorg.conf
[21:40] <Mark_M> What is the best way to install Hardy?
[21:40] <ethana2> it'd be great to have an online xorg.conf generator
[21:40] <bjwebb> :S, download from cdimage.ubuntu.com is slow
[21:40] <rbs-tito> Mark_M: sudo update-manager -d
[21:40] <heret1c> rbs> no harm trying. worked for me once.
[21:40] <ethana2> you pass it your lspci and /proc/bus/input or whatever, and how many seats you want..
[21:40] <Mark_M> thanks rbs-tito
[21:41] <Mark_M> backup a few things first
[21:41] <rbs-tito> heret1c: I wouldn't say there is no harm in randomly messing about with xorg.conf. I remember a while back someone made a video to change the frequencies in xorg.conf in order to set a CRT monitor on fire!!
[21:41] <Mark_M> like xorg.conf
[21:41] <heret1c> (assuming the original is backed up, of course)
[21:41] <bjwebb> are there any cdimage.ubuntu.com mirrors?
[21:41] <rbs-tito> bjwebb: Virgin media has one
[21:42] <ethana2> rbs-tito: that's hilarious
[21:42] <rbs-tito> bjwebb: http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/
[21:42] <heret1c> rbs-tito> apparently, his former xorg.cong didn't turn his monitor to ashes. hence: ... :-)
[21:43] <theAtom> im upgrading to Hardy now :)  once I do that, can I just keep upgrading it till final realease comes out?
[21:43] <rbs-tito> heret1c: Haha
[21:43] <theAtom> or do I then need to remove it and install from scratch?
[21:43] <bjwebb> hmmm, no daily
[21:43] <theAtom> bjwebb, u talk to me?
[21:43] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Theoretically, unless one of the development builds breaks the update-manager, then you will need to doo it from scratch
[21:43] <theAtom> rbs-tito, ah ok, gotcha
[21:43] <bjwebb> theAtom: nah
[21:43] <bjwebb> rbs-tito: do mirror of the daily builds
[21:44] <rbs-tito> bjwebb: Oh, I'm not sure, is the main server not going fast?/
[21:44] <theAtom> rbs-tito, but if all goes well, then I can just keep upgrading and when final hardy comes out, ill already be running it, is that right?
[21:44] <bjwebb> rbs-tito: 50K/s
[21:44] <rbs-tito> Well, you'll end up doing an dist-upgrade about 4 or 5 times before then
[21:44] <rbs-tito> bjwebb: Oh :s
[21:44] <theAtom> rbs-tito, im not worried. I bought Acronis Trueimage, and have already backed up Ubuntu. So I can restore it if anything goes wrong with Hardy upgrade :)
[21:45] <underwatercow> is there a way to tell ufw to block icmp requests?
[21:45] <Mark_M> I thought that I would just keep updating the pre-release until it becomes released
[21:45] <bjwebb> rbs-tito: hmm i was seeding torrents
[21:45] <bjwebb> and i stopped them, and it shot uup
[21:45] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: If you know the method for iptables, use that. I'm not used to ufw yet!
[21:45] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: I'm not real familiar with iptables, but I guess now's a good a time as any to learn, right? ;-D
[21:45] <rbs-tito> bjwebb: Maybe your ISP is anti-torrent, most are in the UK
[21:45] <bjwebb> yeah
[21:46] <ethana2> encrypt everything
[21:46] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: If you are learning from scratch, ufw is easier to learn, I'm just set in my ways. Firestarter is a nice graphical utility though
[21:46] <ethana2> 'that's not a torrent, I'm just using skype with 273 people'
[21:46] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: yeah... I've used that for a while... shouldn't iptables-save print my rules?
[21:46] <crasher52008> download utorrent.com and force encryption
[21:46] <crasher52008> :)
[21:47] <crasher52008> promise it will work :)
[21:47] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: It dumps it to stdout
[21:47] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: when I type it, I get nothing
[21:47] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: iptables-save > iptables.txt
[21:47] <Ayabara> should one think that Hardy would have better support the hardware in my relatively new Dell XPS M1530 than Gutsy has?
[21:47] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: Do you have any rules
[21:48] <Mark_M> If I update to alpha 4 can't I just keep updating through the betas until the RTM version?
[21:48] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: Firestarter shows rules, but I'm not real familiar with iptables as I said
[21:48] <nrp> Ayabara: yes
[21:48] <rbs-tito> Ayabara: Dell have a good track record of helping new releases work with their machines
[21:49] <Ayabara> nrp, ok. I have issues with webcam and sound card, so I thought maybe I'd upgrade to hardy now
[21:49] <Ayabara> rbs-tito, sounds good
[21:49] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: sudo iptables > iptables.txt
[21:49] <Mark_M> Ayabara, my webcam issues are why I am thinking about upgrading
[21:49] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: then cat iptables.txt
[21:49] <Mark_M> I just don't want to have to reinstall the complete distribution later unless I can do it over the top
[21:50] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: Ah, yes... forgot I needed to sudo it... there's a lot of stuff...
[21:50] <rbs-tito> Mine's tiny
[21:50] <rbs-tito> Two rules
[21:51] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: when you type "sudo iptables-save" you only have two rules?
[21:51] <Ayabara> Mark_M, ok. someone says we can't keep apt'ing our way thru the alphas and betas?
[21:51] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: Yeah, I use a hardware firewall
[21:52] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: Well, my router has a firewall too... but when I look at my iptables rules, there's like, 20-30 lines...
[21:52] <Mark_M> Ayabara, are you saying that we can't go from alpha 4 to beta 1-3, then the release?
[21:53] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: Did you make them yourself? Or do you use a load of software making it's own rules
[21:53] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: I've tried both ufw and firestarter now... not sure if they are both adding stuff in or what...
[21:53] <Ayabara> Mark_M, no no. I just thought that was what you meant on your msg 22:48 :-)
[21:53] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: all I really need is two ports open and then icmp disabled with the exception of pong
[21:54] <rbs-tito> Well, if it works I wouldn't worry about it
[21:54] <Mark_M> Ayabara, ok.  I have always stuck with the released versions
[21:54] <Mark_M> My update experience is with Unix System V from the command line
[21:54] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: I don't like having a lot of rules in there that I didn't add... lol
[21:55] <Ayabara> Mark_M, ok. I used Gutsy from .. Beta1 or something, and it worked out well then at least :-)
[21:55] <Mark_M> I am still getting use to the apt stuff and how it works
[21:55] <Ayabara> :-)
[21:55] <Mark_M> then it is time for me to type update-manager -d
[21:56] <Ayabara> Mark_M, I'll join you. (for some reason I think about the final scene in Thelma and Louise)
[21:56] <underwatercow> rbs-tito: is there an easy way to clear all the rules I have?
[21:56] <Mark_M> I never watched it, but I think the final scene ends tragically right?
[21:56] <rbs-tito> underwatercow: Do it in firestarter
[21:57] <Mark_M> I have yet to click on "Upgrade" Ayabara
[21:57] <Mark_M> ...and away we go!
[21:57] <Ayabara> Mark_M, the two women hold hands and drive their car off a cliff :-)
[21:58] <Mark_M> Thought it was something like that since I saw the Simpson's version
[21:58] <Mark_M> Now I did it.
[21:58] <Ayabara> Mark_M, ahh. I saw that one too, upgrade running here as well now :-)
[21:59] <Mark_M> I forgot to back up my repos file, but it says that it will just disable them
[21:59] <Mark_M> Ayabara, I feel more comfortable with this upgrade than a Windows update where you never know what will  happen
[22:00] <theAtom> rbs-tito, so u want me to report any bugs to you direct?
[22:01] <rbs-tito> theAtom: No, report them at launchpad
[22:01] <Mark_M> Ayabara, now I just sit back and let it suck down 1 GB of data
[22:01] <theAtom> !launchpad
[22:01] <ubotu> Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[22:01] <jak3> Mark_M: with one update in 7.10 all wxwidgets and java apps stopped working like VLC...
[22:01] <jak3> http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_update_break_java_wxwidgets_and_wxpython_application
[22:02] <jak3> so you never know what will happen with ubuntu update too
[22:02] <theAtom> rbs-tito, once upgrade is done, waht do I do after its rebooted?
[22:03] <Mark_M> Thanks jak3, but I never had that problem with Gutsy
[22:03] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Log in
[22:03] <theAtom> rbs-tito, how do I then keep download updates to it?
[22:03] <theAtom> rbs-tito, after I login :P lol
[22:03] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Like in Gutsy, the update icon appears in the notifcation area
[22:03] <Mark_M> At least if VLC or Miro doesn't work, I'll have an idea why?
[22:03] <theAtom> rbs-tito, excellent, easy as abc
[22:04] <theAtom> rbs-tito, I dont need to change servers?
[22:04] <Mark_M> For some reason Gutsy broke many things that worked well with Feisty
[22:04] <rbs-tito> theAtom: Updates alter your apt sources for you
[22:04] <Mark_M> How's the update toing Ayabara
[22:04] <theAtom> rbs-tito, I dont need to change servers in sources.list?
[22:05] <rbs-tito> theAtom: They are changed automatically
[22:05] <theAtom> rbs-tito, wow, you guys thought of everyhing :)
[22:05] <Ayabara> Mark_M, 10 minutes remaining :-)
[22:05] <Mark_M> I have about 31 minutes remaining
[22:05] <theAtom> rbs-tito, I dont understand why you guys arent all millionares. you a lot smarter than MS guys :P
[22:05] <Mark_M> It is going slow for some reason
[22:05] <Ayabara> Mark_M, ok. I get ~750kbps
[22:05] <Mark_M> I'm at half that for the moment
[22:06] <Mark_M> I should register with this irc server to send private messages
[22:06] <theAtom> Mark_M, rivate messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register!
[22:07] <Mark_M> I know theAtom which is why I am trying to figure out the command to register my nic
[22:07] <Mark_M> nick that is
[22:08] <rbs-tito>  /nickserv register password
[22:08] <Mark_M> thanks rbs-tito
[22:08] <Mark_M> I don't use IRC that much anymore so I don't remember all of the esoteric commands
[22:08] <theAtom> Mark_M, I found the command
[22:08] <theAtom> damn rbs-tito beat me to it :P i looked for nothing
[22:08] <Mark_M> thanks theAtom
[22:08] <theAtom> :-)
[22:09] <theAtom> mu upgrade is 80% done
[22:09] <theAtom> it had to dl 900MB
[22:10] <theAtom> my upgrade is 80% done
[22:10] <theAtom> wish I could remember how I installed Grub on my external HDD :P
[22:18] <Mark_M> How's it going theAtom and Ayabara?
[22:18] <theAtom> at 90% :)
[22:18] <Mark_M> It seems that all of my nicks are alreay registered
[22:18] <theAtom> 8mins to go
[22:18] <Mark_M> I have about 10 minutes
[22:18] <theAtom> then I hope it reboots ok :P
[22:19] <Mark_M> me too
[22:19] <theAtom> if not, then ill restore 7.10 using Acronis Trueimage :)
[22:19] <theAtom> i couldnt live without my Acronis Trueimage
[22:19] <theAtom> its helped me a lot
[22:19] <Mark_M> Hopefully my nickserv messages that failed wern't broadcast through here
[22:19] <theAtom> Mark_M, is saw them
[22:19] <theAtom> I saw them
[22:19] <Mark_M> I should have bought a copy and made an image
[22:20] <theAtom> Mark_M, yeah best thing I ever bought
[22:20] <Mark_M> What did you see theAtom?
[22:20] <theAtom> acronis trueimage is awesome
[22:20] <Mark_M> I heard that it had great reviews
[22:20] <theAtom> Mark_M, no i didntsee ;) just teasing
[22:20] <Mark_M> and works well
[22:20] <Mark_M> Oh.  I attempted to send you some private messages
[22:20] <theAtom> Mark_M, it never let me down.  and new version out.  I bought Trueimage 11.0
[22:20] <Mark_M> but it seems that all of my nicks are already registered
[22:20] <Mark_M> works on Windows and Linux
[22:21] <theAtom> yes
[22:21] <theAtom> works on anything
[22:21] <theAtom> ext3, NTSF, etc etc
[22:21] <Mark_M> even images hidden by Dell and others
[22:21] <Mark_M> partitions that is
[22:21] <theAtom> and i created a hidden partition where i can press F11 to load it
[22:22] <theAtom> Dell uses Acronis to create those hidden partitions I believe, because I created my own hidden rescue partition
[22:22] <theAtom> Acronis Trueimage does it all
[22:22] <Mark_M> I think they use Norton Ghost
[22:22] <theAtom> ol
[22:22] <theAtom> ok
[22:22] <theAtom> not sure
[22:22] <Mark_M> my hidden partition comes up as Norton Ghost
[22:22] <theAtom> ok
[22:22] <Mark_M> Ayabara must have rebooted
[22:22] <Mark_M> my connection has slowed considerably
[22:23] <theAtom> i created my own and its already helped me many times :)
[22:23] <Mark_M> Now I have about 15 minutes left
[22:23] <theAtom> mine says 5mins
[22:23] <theAtom> hopefully ill be right back when it reboots
[22:23] <Mark_M> no I see him still listed as being in this room
[22:23] <theAtom> if u dont see me, then it broke something :P
[22:23] <Mark_M> channel
[22:23] <Mark_M> same here
[22:23] <theAtom> and ill have to restore from trueimage
[22:23] <theAtom> brb
[22:23] <Mark_M> and I'll be rebuilding the partition from scratch
[22:24] <Mark_M> Good Luck theAtom
[22:24] <theAtom> ditto
[22:24] <Mark_M> thx
[22:25] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4339831&postcount=4
[22:25] <ethana2> for the open office hyphenation thing
[22:27] <Andre_Gondim> ethana2,  try this http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=11
[22:27] <ethana2> i tried the thing from my link
[22:27] <ethana2> worked great
[22:27] <ethana2> same thing
[22:29] <underwatercow> has anyone else had a problem with the numpad random moving the mouse instead of numbers?
[22:29] <underwatercow> randomly*
[22:29] <ethana2> do you have cursor keys on?
[22:29] <underwatercow> it turns on randomly
[22:29] <ethana2> hmm, nope..
[22:29] <underwatercow> I have had to turn mouse keys off like... 3-4 times now
[22:31] <underwatercow> and now it's reversed so it thinks numlock is on when the light is off
[22:37] <doofy`> after i upgraded to HH my ntfs partition /dev/hda1 is inaccesible and unmountable. any ideas?
[22:39] <alexrudd0> did anyone else run into that nasty oo.org hyphenation upgrade problem?
[22:40] <ethana2> yes
[22:40] <ethana2> and i pasted a link to the fix
[22:40] <ethana2> here...
[22:40] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4339831&postcount=4
[22:40] <ethana2> i love how it's two lines of text
[22:41] <ethana2> 'I have cancer'  'pop these two pills and call me in 30 minutes'
[22:42] <alexrudd0> ethana: yeah, I fixed it
[22:43] <ethana2> it's a well known bug, so the fix should come soon
[22:43] <ethana2> like, in the repos
[22:43] <alexrudd0> ethana2: just wanted to see how widespread it was
[22:43] <ethana2> very
[22:43] <ethana2> everyone with openoffice on hardy
[22:44] <ethana2> ohh, wait, are you saying that you're the person who packaged the fix?
[22:44] <alexrudd0> no
[22:45] <alexrudd0> I wish
[22:45] <ethana2> ^_^
[22:46] <Ayabara> well, this did not work out the way I planned :-). After the update manager finished and restarted, Ubuntu tries to startup for a long time, before it takes me to some initramfs/busybox stuff. This is my cry for help ;-)
[22:47] <alexrudd0> Ayabara: I know what you mean - I had lots of blank boots.
[22:47] <alexrudd0> Ababra - what does menu.list look like?
[22:48] <alexrudd0> *ugh, I suck at spelling names
[22:48] <Ayabara> alexrudd0, how do I find out? can I move around to find out?
[22:48] <alexrudd0> move around?
[22:48] <Ayabara> alexrudd0, bad sentence :-)
[22:48] <alexrudd0> less /boot/grub/menu.list in terminal
[22:49] <alexrudd0> for me hardy had added a few options to the kernel line
[22:49] <alexrudd0> namely "vga=xx" and "quiet"
[22:49] <alexrudd0> I think the vga one screwed me up, and quiet just sucks in general
[22:50] <Ayabara> alexrudd0, I'm only on the busybox prompt, and can apparently not reach /boot from there
[22:50] <Ayabara> should I do a livecd boot to find out?
[22:50] <crimsun_> Ayabara: choose the older gutsy kernel, boot into it, and regenerate the initramfs for hardy's kernel.
[22:50] <heret1c> raof :-)
[22:51] <crimsun_> Ayabara: unless you use crypt for your root fs - that's a known issue.
[22:51] <setuid> Noticed that GNOME font changes are completely ignored in Hardy. I've searched the BTS, but nothing comes up for that.
[22:51] <alexrudd0> ugh, I don't know what to do w/ busybox.    You can also figure out the boot parameters by pressing "e" during grub to edit them
[22:51] <Ayabara> crimsun_, on my way. I don't crypt my rootfs
[22:51] <setuid> Anyone know if this is known/reported/fixable?
[22:51] <crimsun_> setuid: more precisely, please?
[22:52] <Ayabara> alexrudd0, ok. doing what crimsun_ said know :-)
[22:52] <setuid> crimsun_, I see what appears to be a FreeMono font on all window manager windows, Firefox menus, GNOME menus, Sawfish menus, etc. I changed the fonts in gnome-appearance-properties to 6pt BitstreamVeraSans, and it is ignored.
[22:52] <Ayabara> crimsun_, "regenerate the initramfs". could you elaborate on that? :-)
[22:52] <setuid> Changing to any font is ignored
[22:52] <h3sp4wn_> I have noticed somehow my dpi is hardcoded at 96x96 (According to xdpyinfo)
[22:53] <h3sp4wn_> Thats messing up my fonts
[22:53] <alexrudd0> setuid: from Appearances?  I just changed the app font and it took effect instantly
[22:53] <crimsun_> setuid: current hardy?  persists across logoff/login?
[22:53] <setuid> crimsun_, Yes and yes
[22:53] <setuid> alexrudd0, Today's package updates do not reflect that.
[22:53] <setuid> As of about 1 hour ago
[22:53] <ethana2> gahh, my gnome panel is unresponsive again
[22:53] <setuid> I checked in gconf-editor also, and it reflects the right font, but _visually_, the fonts aren't changing
[22:54] <crimsun_> setuid: namely, I can't reproduce that symptom on either hardy machine (first is dist-upgraded from breezy->..., second is a plain alpha 4 -> full-upgrade)
[22:54] <setuid> crimsun_, Maybe some font db corruption
[22:54] <crimsun_> setuid: ok, is it reproducible with a new user account?
[22:54] <setuid> crimsun_, Let me quit xchat add a new user and try it
[22:55] <Ayabara> what's the current kernel version in hardy?
[22:56] <ethana2> z-ordering with child windows from the new gnome clock is all jacked up
[22:56] <crimsun_> Ayabara: 2.6.24-8.14-generic by default.
[22:56] <Ayabara> crimsun_, so than it's: "update-initramfs -uk 2.6.24-8.14-generic" to regenerate initramfs?
[22:56] <alexrudd0> That was updated really recently too, IIRC.  Maybe 2-3 days ago?
[22:57] <crimsun_> Ayabara: 2.6.24-8-generic
[22:59] <h3sp4wn_> Anyone noticed any of this wierdness with gtk - http://rafb.net/p/Pnn8hd40.html
[23:00] <Ayabara> crimsun_, kewl. now it boots, and I'm going to bed before I run into any more problems :-)
[23:00] <Ayabara> thanks
[23:00] <ethana2> h3sp4wn: that looks like the stuff i used to get all the time
[23:00] <ethana2> when i /really/ jacked up my ubuntu install
[23:00] <h3sp4wn_> I haven't done anything particularly dangerous on this one
[23:01] <h3sp4wn_> (other than just install the updates)
[23:01] <ethana2> is it giving you any actual trouble?
[23:02] <h3sp4wn_> Well that happens for quite a number of apps
[23:02] <h3sp4wn_> and gnome is hard locking pretty often
[23:02] <ethana2> ah
[23:02] <h3sp4wn_> I am just using wmii atm
[23:03] <ethana2> my panels just crash...  i just ctrl+alt+F2 kill them and they come back happy
[23:03] <h3sp4wn_> That is ok but some apps are wierd with it (amarok using 2 screens for example)
[23:03] <h3sp4wn_> I end up back at gdm
[23:03] <ethana2> well that's a kde app
[23:03] <h3sp4wn_> yeah but wmii just uses xlib afaik
[23:04] <setuid> crimsun_, I can confirm that Application font under any user, new or old, is completely ignored.
[23:04] <setuid> Changing the other fonts work, however
[23:04] <setuid> Document, Desktop, and so n
[23:04] <setuid> *so on
[23:04] <h3sp4wn_> setuid: Any idea where the 96x96 dpi is hardcoded ?
[23:04] <setuid> It looks to be a 10 or 12pt font, and that's like billboard size on my 15" monitor
[23:04] <setuid> h3sp4wn_, No, but you can hardcode it back in your xorg.conf
[23:05] <h3sp4wn_> setuid: Not working
[23:05] <h3sp4wn_> (specifying displaysize)
[23:05] <h3sp4wn_> its not an even multiple to use X -dpi either
[23:06] <h3sp4wn_> It is in section monitor it should go right ?
[23:06] <setuid> crimsun_, Any ideas where I can reset the Application font, so it behaves like the other font choices?
[23:11]  * heret1c hiccups - (Reading database ... 292535 files and directories currently installed.)
[23:11] <setuid> Ok, that didn't work either
[23:11] <setuid> $  xrdb -query | grep Xft
[23:11] <setuid> Xft.dpi:        96
[23:15] <theAtom> hello
[23:15] <theAtom> it will only load 2nd kernel, not the first one
[23:17] <wolverian> I'm pretty sure there should be a kernel upgrade for me; I see it on launchpad. however, apt doesn't see it in the repos. is it possible the two are out of sync, or something is wrong with my apt? it's possible I'm just seeings things. :)
[23:20] <wolverian> that is, I have nvidia-glx 169.09+2.6.24.9-8.22, and I see -8.24 on launchpad.
[23:21] <wolverian> (it's relevant to my interests, since it's supposed to fix an amd64 bug with libglx.so)
[23:23] <Mark_Milliman> I had a USB device fail in the middle of my upgrade.  What is the best way to recover?  I have already downloaded everything via update-manager and I was installing the 1000+ packages.
[23:23] <Mark_Milliman> I am half in Gutsy and Hardy
[23:23] <Mark_Milliman> X11 comes up but only a little of gnome is runnings
[23:23] <alexrudd0> usb device fail?  what do you mean?
[23:23] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, Failed upgrade?
[23:24] <wolverian> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/amd64/nvidia-glx-new/169.09+2.6.24.9-8.24 this is the package on launchpad, but I don't see it in the repositories.
[23:24] <Mark_Milliman> I have a flaky USB TV tuner that connects and reconnects
[23:24] <Mark_Milliman> it disconnected and crashed X11
[23:24] <alexrudd0> unplug it?
[23:24] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, During the upgrade?
[23:24] <Mark_Milliman> It is now unplugged
[23:24] <Mark_Milliman> yes during the upgrade Jordan_U
[23:25] <wolverian> hmm, okay. http://packages.ubuntu.com only sees the -8.22 version
[23:25] <wolverian> I suppose it's not my apt that is broken, then :)
[23:25] <heret1c> Mark_Milliman> tried reinstalling the driver?
[23:25] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, I believe you should be able to simply "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[23:25] <Mark_Milliman> Forget the driver
[23:25] <Mark_Milliman> I could care less about the stupid TV tuner
[23:25] <Mark_Milliman> aaah dpkg --configure -a!!!
[23:25] <Mark_Milliman> thanks Jordan_U
[23:25] <wolverian> Mark_Milliman, could or couldn't? :)
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, That may not do some post upgrade clean up but should leave you in a pretty good state at lease
[23:26] <setuid> So far, other than fonts and hald being broken, everything works great
[23:26] <Jordan_U> *least
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, Wait
[23:26] <Mark_Milliman> Forget the TV tuner wolverian
[23:26] <wolverian> so, has anyone else noticed no upgrades arriving in the past ~15 hours?
[23:26] <Mark_Milliman> It is off the system
[23:26] <wolverian> Mark_Milliman, I'm just remarking on your english, sorry.
[23:26] <Mark_Milliman> What Jordan_U?
[23:26] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, You may have some problems with an open-office package that is currently broken
[23:26] <Mark_Milliman> sorry
[23:26] <Mark_Milliman> I am typing fast
[23:27] <Mark_Milliman> and not thinking because I am fustrated
[23:27] <theAtom> im back to 7.10 :)
[23:27] <theAtom> frystrated about?
[23:27] <Mark_Milliman> I wish I had an old image the Atom
[23:27] <theAtom> life is too short to get frustrated
[23:27] <Mark_Milliman> I'll worry about Open Office later
[23:27] <theAtom> Mark_Milliman, I bought Acronis TrueImage
[23:27] <Mark_Milliman> I just want to get the system running again
[23:27] <theAtom> in 2mins im up and running again
[23:27] <Mark_Milliman> all was going well until that happen
[23:27] <Mark_Milliman> I know theAtom
[23:27] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, I guess there is no way to avoid it if you do so you might as well just go ahead and --configure -a
[23:27] <setuid> hrm, I wonder if there's something wrong with the theme manager... maybe that's why fonts are a mess
[23:28] <theAtom> Mark_Milliman, thats why I never do anything until I backup an image with Acronis Trueimage
[23:28] <theAtom> Mark_Milliman, its a good investment, buy it
[23:28] <theAtom> Mark_Milliman, what happened anyway?
[23:28] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, But IMHO update-manager should not depend on its GUI front end such that it leaves you in a bad state if you lose X
[23:28] <theAtom> Jordan_U, place a report
[23:29] <Jordan_U> theAtom, I think I will
[23:29] <Mark_Milliman> seeing many python updates failing
[23:29] <theAtom> Jordan_U, you need to tell the proper people feedback like that, not us :P
[23:29] <Jordan_U> theAtom, I know :)
[23:29] <theAtom> Jordan_U, good for u, tell them
[23:29] <theAtom> :-)
[23:29] <setuid> Ok, confirmed... gnome-panel ignores theme changes in Hardy
[23:29] <ethana2> it'd be great if the new clock would do the time zone math for me instead of just giving me the offset for multiple locations, by the way
[23:29] <ethana2> i have three locations to keep track of, being my home town, current location, and GMT
[23:30] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, Failing in what way?
[23:30] <theAtom> anyway, im back to 7.10.  upgarding to 8.04 broke my system.  thank goodness for Acronis Trueimage, because it only took me 2mins to get back to working Ubuntu 7.10 :)
[23:30] <Mark_Milliman> I must say that I like the GUI better because I know what is going on
[23:30] <Mark_Milliman> Jordan_U, packages seem to be installing
[23:30] <theAtom> Mark_Milliman, go here:  acronis.com :)
[23:30] <setuid> Looks like the latest GNOME has removed more useful features
[23:30] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman, I usually prefer CLI apps for the same reason :)
[23:31] <setuid> I swear, at this rate, GNOME will be 1 button in a year
[23:31] <alexrudd0> such as?
[23:31] <Jordan_U> setuid, But it will be one 'sanely defaulted' button :)
[23:31] <Mark_Milliman> Some dependancies are failing around Python
[23:32] <Mark_Milliman> I assume that I can clean up any problems once the system is up and running
[23:32] <heret1c> Mark_Milliman> same here.
[23:32] <theAtom> Mark_Milliman, it wont load?
[23:32] <Mark_Milliman> Still updating packages theAtom
[23:32] <theAtom> why doesnt ubuntu load for u?
[23:33] <theAtom> ah ok
[23:33] <theAtom> well mine woildnt boot
[23:33] <theAtom> i had to chose older kernel
[23:33] <theAtom> then it booted with many error reports
[23:33] <Mark_Milliman> theAtom, I had a flaky device crash in the middle of my upgrade
[23:33] <theAtom> broken
[23:33] <Mark_Milliman> I am still updating
[23:33] <theAtom> so I restored my 7.10 image
[23:33] <Mark_Milliman> even after the crash my system came up
[23:33] <theAtom> ill wait till April :)
[23:33] <Mark_Milliman> with the old kernel
[23:33] <theAtom> im not in a hurry
[23:33] <theAtom> all the best Mark_Milliman
[23:34] <theAtom> see u
[23:34] <theAtom> Jordan_U, see u
[23:34] <Mark_Milliman> thanks theAtom and to you
[23:34] <theAtom> ty :-)
[23:34] <Mark_Milliman> looks like a am still rebuilding the scrollkeeper database
[23:37] <setuid> I just wish they'd stop fscking with fonts... I *HATE* these 10-point billboard sized fonts
[23:37] <setuid> Where are the GNOME "Application" font preferences stored? Perhaps there was some upgrade corruption?
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I thouhg 10 point would be tiny.. but billboard would be large...
[23:38] <setuid> Latest gnome-panel seems to have limited the minimum height to 25 pixels now...
[23:38] <setuid> Dr_Willis I use 6pt fonts, generally
[23:38] <Jordan_U> setuid, Perhaps you need to change your DPI settings
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> updating now.  lets see...200+ updates
[23:39] <setuid> Jordan_U I tried 96 all the way to 120, they're identical
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> setting my panels to 36 pixles high. :) just to test
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. some issue with openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation
[23:45] <setuid> Ok, looks like 75 dpi is what the latest GNOME requires, but the previous version worked fine with 96
[23:46] <void^> the oo.o issue seems to be problem-of-the-day
[23:46] <setuid>  dpkg -P openoffice.org-hyphenation
[23:46] <setuid> Problem solved :D
[23:46] <Dr_Willis> lets try that one.. :)  been trying to remove that package and its been cussing at me.
[23:47] <setuid> Worked for me
[23:48] <Dr_Willis> nope. dident like that either.
[23:48] <setuid> What error?
[23:48] <Dr_Willis> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb (--unpack):
[23:48] <Dr_Willis>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of openoffice.org-hyphenation:
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> im getting my error messages goofed up. :) let me clear my terminal and try again
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> sudo  dpkg -P openoffice.org-hyphenation
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> gives...
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-hyphenation (--purge):
[23:50] <Dr_Willis>  dependency problems - not removing
[23:52] <setuid> What does 'iU' mean again with dpkg?
[23:52] <rsk> install = i
[23:53] <rsk> U dunno...
[23:53] <setuid> "Unpacked"?
[23:54] <setuid> 1,498 packages are on my system in that state...
[23:54] <setuid> They all work, but they're in that state
[23:54] <crimsun_> setuid: ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml
[23:55] <crimsun_> setuid: also, ~/.gconf/apps/nautilus/preferences/%gconf.xml and ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/general/%gconf.xml
[23:55] <setuid> crimsun_ Right, that all looks right
[23:55] <setuid> I don't do metacity, but I'll keep looking
[23:55] <setuid> Seems those values are ignored
[23:55] <crimsun_> setuid: is the ubuntu-desktop meta installed?
[23:55] <setuid> The %gconf.xml files are correct, gconf must be ignoring them
[23:56] <setuid> crimsun_ No, that package is broken
[23:56] <crimsun_> well, is gnome-settings-daemon being invoked properly?
[23:56] <setuid> http://rafb.net/p/IQOMut75.html
[23:57] <setuid> gnome-settings-daemon is running, apparently with no args
[23:57] <setuid> desrod    9356  0.0  0.2  18356  5612 ?        S    18:45   0:00          \_ gnome-settings-daemon
[23:57] <crimsun_> good.
[23:57] <setuid> Is it supposed to run with args?
[23:57] <crimsun_> now, why is ubuntu-desktop broken?
[23:58] <crimsun_> no.
[23:59] <crimsun_> i.e., presuming your sources.list(5) is configured properly for hardy with a current apt cache and {full,dist}-upgrade has been issued, where is aptitude hitching?
[23:59] <setuid> I don't use aptitiude
[23:59] <setuid> I use apt-get/apt-file/dpkg