[00:21] <danroj> hi
[00:34] <Nafallo> hmm
[00:34] <Nafallo> drunk and still remember my passwords
[00:34] <Nafallo> this is no good
[00:34] <erUSUL> Nafallo: yep; they are too easy
[00:34] <LjL> Nafallo: hey you aren't identified to services
[00:34] <erUSUL> XD
[00:34] <LjL> fix that fast
[00:35] <Nafallo> 00:35 [FreeNode] -!-           : is identified to services
[00:35] <LjL> Nafallo: way not drunk enough
[00:36] <Nafallo> erUSUL: easy? at least 15 chars with letters, caps, numbers and special chars.
[00:36] <LjL> shuuure
[00:36] <LjL> and i can read perl
[00:37] <erUSUL> Nafallo: ;) then you are not drunk enough
[00:37] <Nafallo> :-D
[00:37] <Pici> Perhaps you could read perl drunk..
[00:37] <Nafallo> you guys should come to London :-)
[00:37] <LjL> Pici: that i can't exclude - however i'm not myself drunk
[00:37] <Pici> Its a bit far for me.
[00:37] <LjL> i should for sure
[00:38] <Nafallo> get proper drunk and then start abusing our powers ;-)
[00:38] <LjL> hm? why would i need to be drunk to do that?
[00:39] <Nafallo> haha
[00:39] <erUSUL> XXDD hey i can not do the same here....
[00:39] <Nafallo> hehe. I never abuse my powers :-)
[00:39] <Nafallo> would probably destroy humanity if I did ;-)
[09:51] <jpatrick> LjL: now I am what's up?
[09:51] <jpatrick> lemme guess, logs not showing up
[09:54] <jpatrick> LjL: logs, yay, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/16/%23ubuntu-irc.html
[12:04] <civija> hy guys
[12:04] <civija> i need some help with problematic user which is opening channels in ubuntu-* hierarchy and calling them official
[12:05] <civija> i.e. #kubuntu-hr
[12:05] <jpatrick> civija: what's up?
[12:06] <civija> jpatrick: we from #ubuntu-hr have problem with some user
[12:06] <civija> he has opened #kubuntu-hr and calling it official croatian kubuntu channel
[12:07] <civija> he has just copied topic from #ubuntu-hr and changed a few letters
[12:07] <jpatrick> civija: there does not appear to be anything in that channel
[12:07] <jpatrick> civija: but we can have it closed down if you wish
[12:07] <civija> we have tryed reason with him and explain him but he just ignores us and has kicked us
[12:07] <ompaul>   Channel: #kubuntu-hr  Registered: 1 day (17h 52m 18s) ago
[12:08] <civija> jpatrick: maybe he has left in meantime
[12:08] <civija> look at #kubuntu-hr and #kubuntu-cro
[12:08] <civija> username was djankov
[12:08] <jpatrick> I see him
[12:09] <civija> or CroGNOME
[12:09] <civija> jpatrick: please try to explain him or close it down
[12:09] <ompaul> elkbuntu, you awake?
[12:09] <jpatrick> civija: so, you'd like to have both closed down?
[12:09] <civija> yes
[12:10] <jpatrick> one mo, I'll see what I can do
[12:10] <civija> ok, tnx
[12:11] <jpatrick> civija: there's a dodobas in #k-hr
[12:12] <elkbuntu> ompaul, yes, 'sup?
[12:12] <civija> jpatrick: his a member from #ubuntu-hr, he also has tryed to explain him
[12:12] <civija> i'll tell him to quit from channel
[12:12] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: scroll up
[12:13] <jpatrick> ;)
[12:13] <elkbuntu> civija, are you the croatian contact?
[12:14] <civija> elkbuntu: i'm member from #ubuntu-hr loco team
[12:14] <civija> i'm not contact from #ubuntu-hr channel but i can tell him to join here
[12:14] <elkbuntu> civija, requests of this type need to be made by team contacts
[12:14] <elkbuntu> please
[12:15] <civija> ok, one moment
[12:15]  * jpatrick is talking to the guy in #k-hr
[12:16] <ompaul> elkbuntu, that was what I called you for - sorry I left the room for rejoin lag
[12:17]  * jpatrick gets the #k-cro guy in
[12:18] <jpatrick> 06:24 ** mode/#kubuntu-cro [+b *!*n=jon@*ubuntu/member/jpatrick] by djankov
[12:18] <jpatrick> 06:24 ** jpatrick was kicked from #kubuntu-cro by djankov [djankov]
[12:18] <civija> elkbuntu: do you need a contact from #ubuntu-hr channel or contact from ubuntu-l10n-hr team?
[12:18] <dodobas> yello
[12:18] <elkbuntu> civija, the loco contact
[12:18] <civija> i see he has kicked jpatrick :)
[12:18] <jpatrick> civija: not very nice...
[12:19] <dodobas> im loco contact for croatian team
[12:19] <civija> elkbuntu: team owner is ivoks (ubuntu-member) but he is not here right now
[12:19] <civija> i'm team administrator
[12:19] <elkbuntu> civija, team owner is different from contact. contact is the person we communicate with the team through
[12:19] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: I could set Riddell on you ;)
[12:20] <djankov> IN YOUR FACE!
[12:20] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, only if he's wearing his kilt
[12:20] <elkbuntu> djankov, please dont troll
[12:20] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: he is the contact for all #kubuntu* channels
[12:21] <elkbuntu> jpatrick, loco channels are independantly managed unless assistance is requested
[12:21] <elkbuntu> such as now
[12:22]  * jpatrick off to lunch
[12:22] <civija> but he doesn't have a loco team, he has just opened channel and called it official
[12:22] <elkbuntu> ompaul, i'm inclined to side with dodobas and civija, based on djankov's display of idiocy
[12:22] <elkbuntu> civija, i'm not doubting it
[12:22] <ompaul> elkbuntu, +1
[12:22] <dodobas> elkbuntu: we tried to talk
[12:22] <elkbuntu> dodobas, i believe you
[12:22] <dodobas> there is just no way
[12:23] <elkbuntu> he's shown us that quite categorically
[12:23] <ompaul> civija, there is a process that needs to be gone through so that in cases where the claim is not valid it does not happen
[12:23] <civija> ompaul: ok, np
[12:24] <ompaul> civija, this is not a reflection on the person making the claim, it is a protection for those acting on any claim, it makes it easy to help / administrate
[12:24] <civija> ok
[12:25] <elkbuntu> *sigh* as per usual, no staff online :(
[12:26] <Nafallo> elkbuntu: Dave2 wrote text less than 10 minutes ago
[12:29] <elkbuntu> dodobas, do you wish for the channels to just be forwarded to the existing channel (#ubuntu-hr) and ownership transferred to the #ubuntu-hr owner (ivoks)
[12:31] <Dave2> ?
[12:31] <dodobas> no forwarding is needed, or ownership
[12:31] <elkbuntu> dodobas, so just close and lock?
[12:31] <civija> elkbuntu: yes please
[12:32] <elkbuntu> dodobas or civija, please list affected channels
[12:32] <elkbuntu> Dave2, we needs your staffer-fu in a sec
[12:32] <civija> #kubuntu-hr and #kubuntu-cro
[12:33] <civija> elkbuntu: you can forward #kubuntu-hr to #ubuntu-hr but please close #kubuntu-cro
[12:33] <elkbuntu> dodobas, are you in agreement with civija's last statement?
[12:34] <dodobas> yes, those channels are problematic
[12:34] <civija> dodobas: do you agree that they forward #kubuntu-hr to #ubuntu-hr?
[12:35] <civija> this would help if someone tries to open #kubuntu-hr again
[12:35] <dodobas> ofcourse
[12:35] <dodobas> and if anyone would like to maintain #kubuntu-hr, it can be removed
[12:35] <ompaul> dodobas, that is the idea
[12:36] <dodobas> kuul, i agree
[12:36] <elkbuntu> dodobas, i personally recommend having #kubuntu-hr, #kubuntu-cro and #kubuntu-croatia (and if non-existant, #ubuntu-cro and #ubuntu-croatia) forwarded to #ubuntu-hr
[12:36] <elkbuntu> that means you have more chance of people getting to the channel with guesses
[12:37] <dodobas> right, please make it so
[12:37] <elkbuntu> Dave2, if it's not too much to ask :) ^^
[12:37] <ompaul> civija, pm
[12:38] <Dave2> I just need to check who has authority over the #ubuntu- and #kubuntu- namespaces first, not sure how long that'll take
[12:39] <elkbuntu> Dave2, i'm part of the IRC council, we've had our GCFs in for like 5 months now
[12:40] <elkbuntu> technically seveas has authority, but he retired from the role several months ago. freenode is dragging the chain
[12:48] <ompaul> !es
[12:48] <ompaul> !de
[12:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[12:48] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:48] <ompaul> civija, ^^ like that kind of thing
[12:48] <civija> ompaul: yes, i get it now :)
[12:48] <civija> wait just a moment
[12:48] <ompaul> civija, thanks
[12:51] <civija> ompaul: Odgovarajući kanal za Hrvatski jezik je #ubuntu-hr, molimo Vas da se pridružite tom kanalu ukoliko trebate pomoć za Ubuntu, hvala.
[12:51] <civija> wait
[12:51] <ompaul> civija, ok
[12:51] <civija> ompaul: Odgovarajuci kanal za Hrvatski jezik je #ubuntu-hr, molimo Vas da se pridruzite tom kanalu ukoliko trebate pomoc za Ubuntu, hvala.
[12:51] <civija> please use this one
[12:51] <civija> tnx
[12:52] <ompaul> !no hr is <reply> Odgovarajuci kanal za Hrvatski jezik je #ubuntu-hr, molimo Vas da se pridruzite tom kanalu ukoliko trebate pomoc za Ubuntu, hvala.  Croatian language support in #ubuntu-hr
[12:52] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[12:52] <ompaul> !botsnack
[12:52] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[12:52] <dodobas> hehe, nice bot
[12:52] <ompaul> civija, thank you for that
[12:52] <ompaul> dodobas, source is available
[12:53] <civija> ompaul: thank you
[12:54] <dodobas> yeah, thx
[12:54] <ompaul> civija, no problem
[12:55] <jpatrick> civija: anything else, just ask
[12:55] <civija> jpatrick: ok, tnx :)
[12:55] <dodobas> ompaul: source is tha force :)
[12:55] <ompaul> hahah
[12:56] <ompaul> Richard loves ya!
[12:56] <dodobas> maybe our chanop would be interested
[12:56] <ompaul> dodobas, pm
[12:57]  * jpatrick wonders what is with the pms
[12:57] <ompaul> jpatrick, not irc loco things
[12:57] <jpatrick> ompaul: ah, ok :)
[12:57] <ompaul> jpatrick, getting translations of stuff
[12:57] <dodobas> jpatrick: its just another conspiracy theory :)
[12:58] <elkbuntu> dodobas, you weren't supposed to tell him! now he knows we're plotting his downfall!
[12:58] <ompaul> dodobas, why is it always the same people with the conspiracy theorys :)
[12:58] <civija> hahah :)
[12:58] <dodobas> what's the difference, he is going to fall anyway
[12:58] <dodobas> this is more interesting, now he will fight till the last breath
[12:59] <elkbuntu> yeah, but now someone else will get the glory :(
[12:59] <dodobas> its more fun to watch
[13:00] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: what's a GCF?
[13:00] <jpatrick> ah, wait, Group contact form
[13:00]  * elkbuntu pats jpatrick on the head
[13:00] <elkbuntu> oh we're a clever one
[13:01] <dodobas> hihi
[13:03] <jpatrick> :)
[13:13] <Dave2> elkbuntu, sorry about that, unfortunately I'm not a GCF person so can't really accelerate the process, as much as I see that it's needed.
[13:13] <elkbuntu> Dave2, so i'm not listed as GC then?
[13:13] <Dave2> I'm not sure, no GC people have been around yet
[13:14] <elkbuntu> you mean there's no way for you guys to check other than ask someone?
[13:14] <Dave2> Though if you could get Seveas to poke me, then I know that at least one of you will be a GC, and I can do it.
[13:14] <Dave2> Not at this point in time, no
[13:15] <elkbuntu> that is rather lame... this is the internet age!
[13:15] <Dave2> We're planning on a web-based system to aid this, but it doesn't exist yet, unfortunately
[13:16] <Seveas> Dave2, prod
[13:16] <Seveas> Dave2, I'm current group contact for Ubuntu
[13:17] <Dave2> I agree that the major delay is somewhat of an issue, but unfortunately it's what we've got at the moment.
[13:17] <Dave2> Seveas, right
[13:17]  * Dave2 scrolls up to see what was requested again
[13:17] <Seveas> because freenode has been horrendously slow processing our gcf requests we currently have this mess
[13:17] <Seveas> Dave2, so either process the GCF of elkbuntu's requests :)
[13:17] <Dave2> Unfortunately I'm not a GCF person, so can't do anything to speed it up.
[13:18] <elkbuntu> s/of/or/
[13:18] <Seveas> you could poke the relevant people Dave2
[13:18] <ompaul> Dave2, you have the instruction that is what he means ;-)
[13:18] <Seveas> elkbuntu, sorry, dutchism there (of is dutch for or)
[13:18] <Dave2> ompaul, yup, that's what I'm just checking
[13:18] <elkbuntu> Dave2, hobbsee would even lend you her pointy stick if you asked nice enough :)
[13:18] <Seveas> Dave2, I find it rather unacceptable that the largest community on freenode has to wait many months for processing GCFs
[13:18] <Dave2> #kubuntu-hr, #kubuntu-cro, #kubuntu-croatia, #ubuntu-cro and #ubuntu-croatia -> #ubuntu-hr, right?
[13:19] <elkbuntu> Dave2, yep, thanks
[13:19] <Dave2> Seveas, I'll do what I can to attempt to get it sped up, but as a non-GCF person I don't have any direct involvement; I know it's definitely not good.
[13:23] <Dave2> #kubuntu-croatia, #ubuntu-cro, and #ubuntu-croatia appear to not exist, so I'll let the relevant people deal with those
[13:25] <dodobas> Dave2: can you create those too, so if anyone tries to guess a Croatian support channell with those name will be forwared to #ubuntu-hr
[13:25] <dodobas> *names
[13:26] <Dave2> It's probably simpler for someone directly involved with the channel to register and forward them
[13:27] <elkbuntu> Dave2, dodobas may need instruction on how
[13:27] <Dave2> The two channels which were registered are now forwarded
[13:27] <civija> Dave2: tnx
[13:28] <dodobas> so we need to register the channels, and then
[13:28] <dodobas> i dont know how to forward them
[13:28] <ompaul> dodobas, join and
[13:28] <Dave2> Ah, right; once the channel's registered, /msg chanserv set <#channel> guard on, then /msg chanserv set <#channel> mlock +nif #ubuntu-hr
[13:29] <dodobas> Dave2 tnx, ill ask, our channel op to do that
[13:31] <civija> thank you all for your help!
[13:32] <elkbuntu> dodobas, i suggest you do the registering yourself asap, then transfer contactship to ivoks
[13:33] <elkbuntu> or the troll will quickly move to them
[13:33] <dodobas> we are doing it right now
[13:33] <Dave2> No problem, and sorry about the slow GCF processing issue :/
[13:40] <dodobas> just one more thing to ask
[13:41] <dodobas> how to change contact on a channel
[13:41] <dodobas> that is currently set to freenode-staff
[13:42] <Dave2> if you're a group contact for the project, you ask a member of staff to give it to you. in general channels registered to freenode-staff are closed or redirected, though.
[13:45] <dodobas> oki, we'll deal with it if there is need for it
[13:48] <dodobas> elkbuntu: ivoks is no logner loco-contact for Croatian team, i'm currently appointed
[15:39] <LjL> jpatrick
[15:39] <LjL> i got mail from RT
[15:40] <LjL> jpatrick: i'm not sure if it means i have to do something, or it's just meant as a notification
[15:40] <jpatrick> LjL: about ubuntulog in -irc?
[15:40] <LjL> yes jpatrick
[15:40] <jpatrick> he's here no? :)
[15:40] <LjL> jpatrick: yes but
[15:40] <jpatrick> you got the mail because you were subscribed
[15:41] <LjL> jpatrick: i can't close that ticket
[15:41] <LjL> because i have no login or password to begin with
[15:41] <LjL> and i never received a ticket number for my request
[15:41] <jpatrick> LjL: it has been closed
[15:41] <LjL> ok, so was just a FYI
[15:41] <LjL> wasn't clear
[15:42] <jpatrick> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/16/%23ubuntu-irc.html
[15:43] <jpatrick> "Fri Feb 15 17:05:55 2008   nick - Status changed from 'open' to 'resolved'"
[15:43] <jpatrick> and krap that's danroj at the top
[15:44] <jpatrick> LjL: I'm going to try and get ubuntulog into the -offtopic channels, ok with you?
[15:44] <LjL> jpatrick: yeah, he came in yesterday. but are you quoting from that page?
[15:44] <LjL> jpatrick: uhm, no, likely not
[15:45] <LjL> jpatrick: the offtopic channels were always meant as not logged as far as i'm aware, i'll ask rest of council
[15:45] <jpatrick> LjL: no, from "https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=652"
[15:45] <LjL> ah right
[15:46] <jpatrick> LjL: well, if you need logs for other channels, I've had luck with the Canonical guys
[15:48] <Pricey> I don't think the offtopic channels should be logged.
[15:49] <LjL> jpatrick: well, hopefully RT will get smoother for everyone. i don't like the idea that one gets them to do stuff only if they know people
[15:49] <LjL> but i think this issue has been discussed by the CC
[15:49] <Pricey> jpatrick, do you do rt?
[15:49] <Pricey> wait no i'm silly
[15:50] <Pricey> maybe not
[15:50] <jpatrick> Pricey: no, but I seem to get the Canonical when they're around
[15:50] <LjL> Pricey: yes yes, you're silly, don't worry
[15:51] <jpatrick> guys*
[15:52] <jpatrick> LjL: it's not just one guy, they just need more people (appartently)
[15:57] <LjL> jpatrick: sure, not blaming anyone, i don't even remotely know them so that would be silly - just saying it's not an ideal state of things
[21:07] <ergun> are there Ubuntu 7.10 users here?
[21:11] <erUSUL> ergun: for help go to #ubuntu
[21:11] <erUSUL> ergun: that's the support channel
[21:12] <erUSUL> ergun: this is a channel for ubuntu related channel ops
[21:14] <ergun> sorry what are you doing here
[21:19] <jpatrick> ergun: this channel is for internation ops
[21:22] <ergun> ok have fun guys ! see you