[00:00] <Gary> yay
[00:02] <LjL> Pricey: when gutsy came out though, i thought it would do that already... and then it didn't
[00:02] <LjL> or was it even feisty
[00:02] <Pricey> indeed
[00:02] <Pricey> anyway, it'll *definitely* be like that in hardy
[00:13] <ompaul> if lienus does not converse on next join ban
[00:48] <Pricey> LiENUS, hello there, how can I help?
[00:48] <Seveas> LiENUS, hi, how can we help?
[00:48] <Seveas> heya Pricey :)
[00:48] <Pricey> Howdy Seveas :P
[00:49] <LjL> LiENUS: that wasn't an autorejoin. speak.
[00:49] <LjL> ok then don't
[00:50] <Seveas> speak now or forever hold your peace :)
[00:50] <Seveas> or ban
[00:50] <LjL> he didn't speak
[00:50] <LjL> so i declare you married to ubotu
[00:50] <Pici> Maybe hes a mute
[00:51] <Seveas> hmm
[00:51] <LjL> bantracker has plenty hits on him
[00:52] <Seveas> he's still in -offtopic
[00:52] <LjL> well he can stay. as long as he keeps not speaking, he won't highlight me very much i guess
[00:53] <Pricey> How about this one... he's in #idlerpg
[00:54] <LjL> that's... interesting.
[00:54] <Pricey> How ironic.
[00:57]  * LjL isn't sure he gets the fun of that game but is somehow fascinated nevertheless
[01:05] <LjL> Pici: i agree
[01:06] <LjL> i think he called you a monkey though
[01:12] <Seveas> LjL, maybe he meant it as compliment?
[01:14] <LjL> quite possibly. ops are indeed lowlier beasts
[01:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntuforums-beginners, st33med said: Ubotu: coffee is <reply> Don't get me started. I already have had enough today
[01:23] <Pici> !java > st33med
[01:23] <Pici> java
[02:37] <nalioth> ompaul: ircarc was banned from the network some months ago and we've not heard from them since
[02:43]  * Pricey hopes emma isn't just warming up
[02:47]  * mneptok catches the kahrytan crap in scrool
[02:47] <mneptok> UK ambassador?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> greetings
[02:56] <Hobbsee> uh, him again...
[02:56] <mneptok> Hobbsay!
[02:58] <Pricey> Hey Hobbsee!
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hey Pricey!
[02:58] <Hobbsee> how goes it?
[02:58] <Pricey> dreading the knock on the door
[02:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:59] <Hobbsee> it's mneptok 
[02:59] <mneptok> is that a euphemism for pooping?
[03:00] <Pricey> mneptok, if it is... then what's "the uk ambassador" a euphemism for?
[03:01] <mneptok> Pricey: "some guy at the bus station that will still listen to my incessant stream of crap."
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hahahaha
[03:06] <nalioth> bots are failing.
[06:04] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (joeamined [dcr])
[06:26] <ubotu> mjw- called the ops in #ubuntu (icesword)
[06:30] <theLichKing> hi, i would like to get unbanned please
[06:40] <theLichKing> hello?
[06:47] <ompaul> theLichKing, so ehh, why were you banned?
[06:47] <theLichKing> i don't know.. i guess last time i asked a math question and got banned
[06:48] <ompaul> can you remember any more about it?
[06:48] <theLichKing> no, i probably talked a little more after i've been directed to another room and got banned
[06:52] <ompaul> 2008-01-28T10:48:34 <theLichKing> (NICK DELETED): shut up dirty ape    
[06:52] <theLichKing> oh, that
[06:53] <ompaul> ever seen this
[06:53] <ompaul> !guidelines
[06:53] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:53] <theLichKing> ok, sorry, i won't do it again.. can i get unbanned now
[06:53] <ompaul> ehh no, what I want you to do is this
[06:54] <ompaul> read that url and come back tomorrow, and you can tell whoever it is why you were banned
[06:55] <ompaul> ops manage channels, #ubuntu is very busy - it does not need someone diverting peoples attention or dragging ops into conversations in it 
[06:55] <ompaul> people helping people 24/7 and you thought you had the right to try and use it as an alternative for some mild amusement for yourself 
[06:56] <ompaul> we would not concur, and so I ask you to read that url and come back tomorrow
[06:56] <ompaul> theLichKing, is there anything else?
[06:57] <theLichKing> ompaul: no, just that.. thanks
[06:57] <ompaul> right so see you tomorrow
[06:57] <theLichKing> ompaul: since you mentioned it, i have problems with sound on my new ubuntu installation
[06:57] <ompaul> #ubuntu for support
[06:57] <theLichKing> can you help? or should i wait for tomrrow?
[06:58] <ompaul> and that you can do tomorrow, hint - wiki.ubntu.com and search for alsamixer 
[06:58] <ompaul> good bye
[06:58] <theLichKing> bye
[07:00] <siriusnova> hello
[07:01] <ompaul> hi
[07:02] <siriusnova> Can i suggest you split the #ubuntu channel into subchannels, my point is that back when ubuntu was still growing having one #ubuntu channel was okay because the low population meant questions could be followed and answered, now with over 1000 people in the same room, 1/2 of which are asking and answering questions, its a huge mess. This way of communication does not work well with 300 people asking questions at the sam
[07:02] <siriusnova> e time..
[07:03] <ompaul> we have had this conversation before - it won't work because you split helpers and they are not going to help in two channels
[07:03] <ompaul> it is working most of the time the same as it did when we had less than 200 people (and we thought that was too busy)
[07:03] <siriusnova> For example, if you had 1 big forum on ubuntuforums, with everyone posting in one forum it would be a mess, but we have ubuntu-multimedia etc..
[07:03] <ompaul> we do have subdistros and things like -server 
[07:04] <ompaul> if your question is not straight forward you will get redirected
[07:04] <ompaul> in the main if people use the bot and have good wiki pages for stuff then help works best 
[07:04] <siriusnova> well perhaps make the channel more targeted with multimedia questions into #ubuntu-multimedia etc... that way also people more proficient can answer questions without wading through 20 lines/second of chat text
[07:05] <siriusnova> that would work in an ideal situation, however we all know that doesn't happen imho
[07:05] <ompaul> the more proficient will not occupy thirty four channels to do what #ubuntu does
[07:05] <siriusnova> people ask, and ask and then ask again so it becomes just one long constantly scrolling buffer
[07:05] <ompaul> siriusnova, we have discussed this time and again and we come to the same conclusion, it has been a topic since 2005
[07:05] <siriusnova> :/
[07:06] <siriusnova> i mean we DO have ubuntu-ops and ubuntu-offtopic and ubuntu+1
[07:06] <siriusnova> for this very reason
[07:06] <ompaul> we have +1 we have -uk and so forth
[07:06] <siriusnova> but the main #ubuntu is overflowing, something has to be done
[07:06] <ompaul> yes but the topics for those channesl are specific
[07:06] <siriusnova> i mean its 1000 people clearly something isnt right
[07:06] <siriusnova> :(
[07:06] <ompaul> it is not 1000 people chatting
[07:07] <siriusnova> even if only 1/4th are chatting that's 200 people!
[07:07] <siriusnova> IRC was not designed for 200 simulataneous converastions in one buffer
[07:07] <siriusnova> lol
[07:07] <siriusnova> imho
[07:07] <ompaul> debian and gentoo are in the same boat - not everything talking all the time - it works - just keeping it ontopic helps
[07:08] <siriusnova> gsh
[07:08] <siriusnova> *gah :(
[07:08] <ompaul> anything else?
[07:08] <siriusnova> so is there no solution at all?
[07:08] <siriusnova> :/
[07:09] <ompaul> as far as we can deduce this is correct - you got to work out - who would help where and then what would slip though the net
[07:09] <ompaul> the cost is too high for that
[07:10] <ompaul> hit the mailing list if you want and you will be drowned in silence or my answer above
[07:10] <ompaul> anything else?
[07:11] <siriusnova> however, would splitting #ubuntu into multimedia and maybe administration or 5 more channels really inconvenience the ops that much?
[07:11] <ompaul> not ops
[07:11] <ompaul> helpers
[07:11] <siriusnova> yes helpers
[07:11] <siriusnova> i meant helpers
[07:11] <siriusnova> my assertion is people who want to help will help regardless
[07:11] <ompaul> well yes it would I know I have 30 something channels opened and I know I miss stuff in channels I can help in cos I am in other ones ...
[07:12] <ompaul> you might not see them all but that is another story ;-)
[07:12] <siriusnova> well i am not saying 30 something channels, like 3-5 would help tremendously
[07:13] <ompaul> I don't concur cos people will populate the #ubuntu and the redirection given will not be followed and then how hard or soft are the lines in those channels
[07:13] <ompaul> sudo this and root that
[07:13] <ompaul> no too hard to draft manage and make work
[07:13] <siriusnova> does the need to know everything that is going on in a channel outweigh the benefits from a more easily followed and helpful chat environment?
[07:13] <siriusnova> herm
[07:13] <ompaul> and then who falls though the net
[07:14] <ompaul> it comes down to the same thing
[07:14] <siriusnova> well we currently redirect offtopic and +1 into their respective channels and I dont see how that is a problem
[07:14] <siriusnova> i dont understand what you mean by falling through the net
[07:14] <ompaul> cos (A) +1 is about supporting the next version it came from this logic
[07:14] <ompaul> hi ubuntu is stabe
[07:14] <icesword> where am i
[07:15] <ompaul> ombig fuzzy bear X is broken
[07:15] <ompaul> how is ubuntu stable if X is broken
[07:15] <ompaul> so that caused that
[07:15] <siriusnova> ompaul - and we can subdivide ubuntu into the same way, perhaps a more generalized channels, i.e. desktop, server, multimedia
[07:15] <icesword> u remove x,then is stabler
[07:15] <icesword> yeah
[07:16] <siriusnova> it doesn't have to be 30 channels, just even 5 would make it so much more convenient and easy to follow then what the situation is right now
[07:16] <icesword> that is a good choice
[07:16] <ompaul> we have mythtv studio --- we have server
[07:16] <siriusnova> i dont see how 3-5 more channels inconveniences helpers
[07:16] <siriusnova> :/
[07:16] <ompaul> we have over a hundred channels and #ubuntu is not being split
[07:16] <nalioth> icesword: can we help you?
[07:16] <siriusnova> oh well
[07:16] <siriusnova> ty for listening
[07:16] <ompaul> cheers
[07:16] <icesword> nalioth, what u mean
[07:17] <ompaul> you came here - how can we help you
[07:17] <icesword> i am not here for help
[07:17] <nalioth> what a coincidence, we're not either.
[07:17] <nalioth> icesword: can we help you?
[07:18] <icesword> nalioth, ???
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[07:18] <ompaul> what was that about?
[07:18] <nalioth> icesword: this is #ubuntu-ops.  can we help you with something?
[07:18] <ompaul> the reason other than using xchat on windows you were removed from #ubuntu
[07:19] <ompaul> icesword, please reply
[07:19] <ompaul> or leave
[07:19] <icesword> i say,ompaul,the other guy typed that sort of thing ,dkjkjokj,etc
[07:20] <ompaul> the other guy?
[07:20] <icesword> yeah,not me
[07:20] <ompaul> which other guy
[07:20] <nalioth> icesword: you should keep "the other guy" off your computer while you are on irc
[07:20] <ompaul> your irc is tied to your nick 
[07:21] <icesword> i leave my computer for awhile,then the other one sit here,he does not understand what it is,so he push a lot of trash
[07:21] <ompaul> your ban therefore is tied to your nick
[07:21] <icesword> sorry
[07:21] <icesword> i do not mean it
[07:21] <nalioth> most modern computers have password pretected screen savers
[07:21] <icesword> mine is 5 min
[07:22] <ompaul> you can launch before you leave
[07:22] <ompaul> and if anyone else is around you should launch before you leave
[07:22] <icesword> yeah,sir
[07:23] <icesword> i do love this channel and ubuntu,u even mailed me the ubuntu livecd
[07:23] <icesword> i will never intended to do so
[07:24] <ompaul> !guidelines | icesword 
[07:24] <ubotu> icesword: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:25] <icesword> ompaul, why u give me that
[07:25] <ompaul> please read that and use it to inform your decision as to why the behaviour of your management of the security of your client was wrong
[07:26] <icesword> u mean i use admin to use irc
[07:26] <ompaul> no
[07:26] <icesword> then?
[07:26] <ompaul> read it and work out why you were banned because your client was left by you in a vulnerable position
[07:27] <ompaul> please come back tomorrow and your ban can be lifted
[07:27] <icesword> yes,sir
[07:29] <nalioth> wow, ompaul, you got a promotion
[07:29] <ompaul> hehe
[10:44] <ubotu> foo called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[10:56] <jpatrick> elkbuntu: no idea who rosebuntu is but she keeps saying she's the Korean team leader
[10:59]  * Seeker` reckons there should be an "anti-lol" policy
[11:02] <jpatrick> !lol | Seveas 
[11:02] <ubotu> Seveas: Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[11:03] <jpatrick> gah
[11:03] <Seeker`> http://cjo20.net/lol.txt
[11:04] <jpatrick> Seeker`: 403
[11:04] <Seeker`> try again
[11:05] <Seeker`> thats the result of /lastlog lol in -uk
[11:06] <jpatrick> Seeker`: kick 'em
[11:06] <Seeker`> there was chatting in between
[11:08] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, rosebuntu__ said: ubotu is not good, ubutu is good
[11:10] <jpatrick> right..
[11:30] <jpatrick> yo ompaul 
[11:31] <ompaul> jpatrick, hi
[11:39] <jussio1> grrr, my ssh is really slow, unusable. Im having to use konversation locally :(
[11:41] <jpatrick> jussio1: you poor thing
[11:41] <jussio1> jpatrick: hence there are 2 of me here
[12:01] <ompaul> jussi01, if ssh is slow do this    ssh -C user@domain it can help a lot 
[12:02] <ompaul> jussi01, even on local lans
[12:02]  * ompaul argued with a guy for months until he did it now he forgets who told him (sigh)
[12:03] <ompaul> ahh well 
[12:03]  * jpatrick has "Compression on" for all connections
[12:03] <ompaul> ehh do it anyway ;-)
[12:10] <jussi01> yeahaa!! thanks ompaul 
[12:10] <jpatrick> jussi01: man ssh
[12:24] <elkbuntu> UBOTU! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:24] <elkbuntu> YAY!
[12:35]  * Seeker` reckons elkbuntu must be on the same server as ubotu. Either that or elkbuntu is psychic.
[12:36] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, he joined other channels earlier.. he sync's slow
[12:36] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[12:37] <ompaul> !hr
[12:37] <ubotu> za hrvatski dodjite na #ubuntu-hr, da ne zbunjujete engleze.
[12:38] <ompaul> elkbuntu, getting that altered by them in pm 
[12:38] <elkbuntu> ok, what does it say currently?
[12:38] <ompaul> they are all good buddies I was in -hr for a couple of moments
[12:38] <ompaul> it is very very short
[12:38] <elkbuntu> true
[12:39] <ompaul> I asked him to make it a bit more like please and thank you 
[12:39] <ompaul> though some cultures don't do that stuff like in de englizh that we sperks
[14:03] <ompaul> it is sing along with ompaul time, now sing with me not against me ;-)     Jag känner en bot Hon heter Anna. Anna heter hon, och hon kan banna banna dig så hårt Hon röjer upp i våran kanal. Jag vill berätta för dig att jag känner en bot.
[14:06] <ompaul> ohh dash I though t I was in -offtopic
[14:08] <jpatrick> hehe
[14:08] <jpatrick> stdin: I was considering that..
[14:08] <jussi01> stdin: I was aiting for that
[14:08] <stdin> I was watching him in #kde too
[14:09] <stdin> so was just waiting
[14:25] <jpatrick> I'm about to kick tuxmax in #k
[14:28] <jpatrick> stdin: #k-devel
[14:29] <stdin> I noticed, but I don't have access in -devel so can't do anything about it there
[14:29] <jpatrick> yeah, ask Riddell later
[14:29] <stdin> well, he parted anyway :)
[14:30] <jpatrick> after, I asked him in his channel
[15:18] <Pricey> jpatrick, where did he come from?
[15:18] <jpatrick> Pricey: I was going to wait till he came back.. :(
[15:19] <jpatrick> Pricey: he had some freak issue with some non-free app so I !repeat | him and dunno what happened since then
[15:20] <jpatrick> I believe he got kicked from #kde too
[15:41] <Seeker`> jpatrick: decide on a channel layout?
[15:41] <jpatrick> Seeker`: it's fine as it is now
[16:14] <slackl> would i get help for cd/dvd burning issues here?
[16:14] <LjL> slackl: no, that would be #ubuntu
[16:14] <LjL> slackl: however, you should change your username
[16:14] <slackl> yeah just read that thanks 
[16:14] <slackl> lol why
[16:14] <LjL> !language | slackl
[16:14] <ubotu> slackl: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:14] <LjL> !etiquette > slackl    (slackl, see the private message from Ubotu)
[16:15] <slackl> i used slacware forever ok im out
[16:15] <LjL> slackl: eh? not *that*
[16:15] <LjL> slackl: slackl is n=fuck@CPE001839cff767-CM000a7399637f.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (fuck off)
[16:15] <LjL> meh
[16:41] <kbrooks> hi 
[16:42] <Pricey> Hey kbrooks, how can I help?
[16:42] <kbrooks> um, ccq in #ubuntu has been criticizing GUIs apparently and relating that to real hackers etc. I wanted to pm him about it, so I asked him, but he refused.
[16:43] <kbrooks> can you please talk to him?
[16:43] <kbrooks> ccq just said <ccq> harm: reformat xp partition to ext3 too
[16:43] <LjL> doing
[16:43] <kbrooks> as if showing some elitism against xp
[16:44] <kbrooks> ty ljl
[16:55] <LjL> Pricey: it's so regular i don't have a single hit of him talking before 8 february :)
[16:58] <Pricey> Is it just me....
[16:59] <Pricey> or is it slightly insensitive, to be scanning an article about some school shootings, and to see a set of adverts headed "don't miss..."
[16:59] <nalioth> Pricey: screen cap it, and add it to the list of "unfortunate ad coincidence"
[16:59] <nalioth> or at least send it to me
[16:59] <LjL> which is pretty long already
[17:00] <Pricey> hmmm can't get title in with screen cap
[17:00] <Pricey> nalioth, http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting/index.html?iref=mpstoryview knock yourself out
[17:01] <Pricey> middle left, indented into the article
[17:01] <jdong> Pricey: huh? there's no ads on that page
[17:01] <jdong> oh wait
[17:01] <Pricey> adverts for other articles
[17:01]  * jdong clicks Adblockplus button
[17:01] <Pricey> when i first saw it, i thought it was a header for the next paragraph...
[17:01] <Pricey> hmm abp doesn't hide it for me
[17:02] <jdong> Pricey: maybe the ad changes
[17:02] <Pricey> didn't for me
[17:02] <jdong> I see something for careerbuilder
[17:03] <nalioth> sorry Pricey you'll have to be a dear and snap it for us
[17:03] <nalioth> i don't have a computer in the house that'll show an advert
[17:03] <LjL> pricechild is a deer?
[17:03] <nalioth> and it's not adblock that does it . . .
[17:03] <LjL> nalioth: you filter the web that badly?
[17:03] <nalioth> LjL: my web isn't filtered at all, just adverts
[17:04] <LjL> err, yeah
[17:04] <Pricey> http://pricechild.co.uk/Screenshot-4.png
[17:05] <nalioth> that's not an advert
[17:06] <Pricey> its an "advert" for more articles
[17:06] <LjL> [18:06:41] <ccq> lol
[17:20] <Seveas> !ops
[17:20] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[17:20] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[17:20] <Seveas> ubotu is getting a reboot
[17:20] <Gary> wooo, ubotu fails
[17:20] <Seveas> :)
[17:20] <Seveas> I'm upgrading the kernel on its home
[17:21] <tomaw> To stop him becoming root? ;)
[17:21] <Seveas> heh
[17:22] <Seveas> no, its home is a dapper box, no vmsplice there
[17:22] <Amaranth> because everyone knows you can just do !exploitvmsplice and get root on ubotu
[17:22] <Amaranth> really? i thought vmsplice was 2.6.15 on
[17:22] <Amaranth> !info linux-image dapper
[17:23] <Amaranth> oh, right, no ubotu... :P
[17:23] <ubotu> Package linux-image does not exist in dapper
[17:23] <Amaranth> err
[17:24] <jrib> he's lying so we don't find out
[17:32] <tomaw> hehe
[17:37] <ompaul> !info linux-image dapper
[17:37] <ubotu> Package linux-image does not exist in dapper
[17:37] <ompaul> jrib, ;-)
[17:48] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !no, syn is <reply> ACK
[17:53] <jdong> !info linux-image-2.6.15 dapper
[17:53] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.15 does not exist in dapper
[18:06] <jpatrick> ubotu lies
[18:06] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[18:07] <Madpilot> heh
[18:07] <jussi01> hehe
[18:19] <ompaul> hahaha
[18:19] <ompaul> that is good 
[18:23] <Seveas> :)
[18:49]  * ompaul sends Seveas some more cold ham and chicken brown bread sandwiches with mustard of his choice with ice cold guinness 
[18:49] <Seveas> diggity damn
[18:49] <Seveas> that's a treat :)
[18:50] <ompaul> the guinness to be served in a glass and the sandwiches on a plate
[18:50] <ompaul> just in case anyone was confused :)
[18:50] <ompaul> Seveas, the reason I am not a coder is obvious, I only see exceptions and trap them after the event, that would be bad
[18:51] <Gary> and ice cold guinness with mustard sounded so nice
[18:52] <Seveas> Gary, you truly are weird
[18:53] <ompaul> Hiya Myrtti 
[18:53] <Myrtti> hiya
[18:56] <nalioth> Gary: that does sound good, but i think i can go one better...
[18:56] <nalioth> Gary: dried mustard + guiness
[18:57] <Gary> Seveas, almost two years and you finally realise I am a bit weird...
[19:03] <Seveas> Linux mirage 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:04] <Seveas> new kernel
[19:04] <Seveas> rebooting sucks :)
[19:05] <no0tic> Seveas, hardy?
[19:05] <Seveas> yes
[19:05] <Seveas> hardy sucks
[19:05] <no0tic> :)
[19:05] <Seveas> but I'm gonna stick with it 'til it improves :)
[19:06] <no0tic> I installed it few days ago, it broke my audio after an upgrade and reinstalled gutsy :)
[19:07] <Myrtti> hmmm, I'll have to rethink this return to this many irc-channels
[19:07] <Myrtti> my attention span isn't as good as it used to be
[19:28] <theLichKing> hi, i came here yesterday because i was banned from #ubuntu.. some guy gave me a link, told me to read it then come here today.. can i get unbanned now please
[19:32] <theLichKing> hello?
[19:33] <kbrooks> theLichKing, please b e patient. a op will be with you soon
[19:35] <Seveas> kbrooks, or not, depends on how busy they are
[19:35] <Seveas> it's saturday after all
[19:35] <kbrooks> Seveas, right.
[19:37] <Pricey> theLichKing, what link was it?
[19:37] <Pricey> Seveas, got a few moments?
[19:37] <theLichKing> Pricey: i don't remember the link but i read through
[19:38] <Seveas> sure Pricey 
[19:39] <Pricey> Seveas, I'm using bip... and slowly getting annoyed at how /cs bans don't seem to work, /cs u is sometimes tempermental. I was wondering if you could suggest where to start troubleshooting? For starters, the /whois still happens because I see it in the server tab.
[19:39] <theLichKing> Pricey: it's about how you should behave and stuff
[19:39] <Pricey> theLichKing, the guidelines?
[19:39] <theLichKing> Pricey: yes, exactly
[19:39] <Seveas> Pricey, no clue
[19:39] <Pricey> woop woop :)
[19:41] <Pricey> Its not as though its just slow in #ubuntu, a channel with only 1 ban doesn't work either.
[19:41] <Pricey> theLichKing, do you remember what you did?
[19:42] <theLichKing> Pricey: yes, i've been reminded
[19:43] <Pricey> theLichKing, could you refresh my memory?
[19:43] <theLichKing> Pricey: shut up dirty ape
[19:44] <Pricey> theLichKing, so which part of the guidelines does that violate?
[19:44] <theLichKing> Pricey: the be-nice part
[19:44] <Pricey> And in turn... why do you believe that part of the guidelines was put in place?
[19:44] <Pricey> theLichKing, there is no "be nice" part.
[19:44] <Pricey> !guidelines | theLichKing (go read it again please)
[19:45] <ubotu> theLichKing (go read it again please): The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:45] <Pricey> always forget the brackets only disappear on >s not |s
[19:45] <theLichKing> Pricey: probably the "Don't be annoying" part
[19:45] <Pricey> probably?
[19:46] <theLichKing> i didn't put those guidelines, i'm just guessing\
[19:46] <Pricey> theLichKing, go read the guidelines please...
[19:46] <theLichKing> Pricey: i already did yesterday
[19:46] <Pricey> I would like to be reasonably sure you have read them.
[19:46] <theLichKing> Pricey: ok
[19:49] <Pricey> Just say my name when you're ready to try answering the two questions again.
[19:54] <Pricey> hmm...
[19:56] <ompaul> ie5 buffer overflow condition ?
[19:56]  * ompaul is in evil mood today
[20:08] <johnficca> i can't get on #ubuntu for some reason today?
[20:08] <johnficca> it says my router have a bug 
[20:08] <johnficca> has*
[20:08] <Seveas> johnficca, have you read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[20:10] <johnficca> ok I changed the port
[20:11] <johnficca> it still wont work
[20:11] <Seveas> LjL, is the selftest there still working?
[20:14] <johnficca> ok yeah I still can't get on
[20:15] <johnficca> and I really need to get on right now
[20:15] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[20:15] <johnficca> can I just ask my question here?
[20:15] <Seveas> johnficca, read the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic
[20:15] <Seveas> all of it.
[20:16] <johnficca> I changed the port
[20:16] <johnficca> then I did the test me thing
[20:16] <Seveas> try again
[20:16] <johnficca> ok
[20:17] <johnficca> test me
[20:17] <johnficca> oh
[20:17] <Seveas> in there.
[20:17] <johnficca> yeah thanks 
[20:22] <Seeker`> is  robot > (n=shajil@80-42-148-13.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) familiar to anyone?
[20:23] <Seveas> no
[20:23] <Seveas> (well, not to me I mean)
[20:23] <Seeker`> he keeps on joining -uk, asking the same question and parting again
[20:24] <Seeker`> well, he has done it a few times over the last week or so
[20:24] <ompaul> Seeker`, and the question is?
[20:24] <Seeker`> :~robot : hai could u help me i cannot play on line movi in divx player in ubuntu
[20:25] <ompaul> answer this: robot wait a while
[20:25] <ompaul> and see if you get any reaction
[20:25] <Seeker`> well, I asked what happens when he tries to play movies, and the question was just asked again
[20:26] <Seeker`> followed by "hai enybody is ther"
[20:26] <Seeker`> and then he quit
[20:30] <Pricey> Seveas, weird. If I do /cs u or /cs bans, then load window > ban list, that seems to do the trick.
[20:30] <Pricey> So I assume bip is returning the bans in a different format to how chanserv.py expects.
[20:30] <Pricey> *is not returning the bans to the command chanserv.py gives
[20:33] <Seveas> window -> ban list sends 2 commands (mode +b and mode +e) chanserv.py sends one: mode =bd
[20:33] <Seveas> I assume that bip can't handle that properly
[20:34]  * Pricey tries
[20:35] <Pricey> * #ubuntu :You need to be a channel operator to do that
[20:35] <Pricey> Woohoo
[20:36] <Pricey> Seveas, and don't you mean "bd"?
[20:36] <Pricey> gah you did, and you said so lol
[20:37] <Seveas> =bd is a bug though, it should do +bd
[20:38] <Seveas> line 384 in chanserv.py
[20:40] <Pricey> yup thanks
[20:44] <Pricey> Weird. /mode +bd works fine, but changing line 384 in chanserv.py to that doesn't work.
[20:45] <Pricey> unless I'm being silly?
[20:48] <Pricey> I've tried splitting it up into two, calling +b and +d seperately as that seemed reasonable to me? but that doesn't work either. I guess there's a problem elsewhere too.
[20:49] <Seveas> in bid somewhere :)
[20:49] <Seveas> bip*
[20:50] <Pricey> :/ but all the other commands are being sent to bip fine by chanserv.py, and doing +bd myself pokes chanserv into giving the queued result.
[20:51] <Pricey> Now I know a way to make it work without sending a local clone in I'm happy, but I could be even happier :P
[20:58] <Pricey> Also weird, it gives output after +b, but not +d are done manually.
[21:15] <Pricey> Seveas, just checked the rawlog and "mode #ubuntu-ops +bd" goes through fine, list of bans comes back.
[21:15]  * Pricey looks to see how it is returned differently to when not on bip.
[21:21] <Ximal> How might I make a suggestion to ubuntu to persue the ability to make ubuntu more cooperative with ps3's blue tooth capabilities.. be it a commercial purchasable package or a freeware ? 
[21:21] <Ximal> I mean how might I channel it through officially ?
[21:21] <jpatrick> !bugs | Ximal 
[21:21] <Pricey> "bluetooth capabilities"?
[21:21] <ubotu> Ximal: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[21:21] <jpatrick> Ximal: file a wishlist bug there
[21:22] <Ximal> thank you very much .. patrick and pricey... thank you both ;) * be well *
[21:22] <jpatrick> Ximal: likewise
[21:22] <Ximal> I will take my leave.. you all have a great day ;)
[21:23] <jpatrick> I do the right thing there?
[21:26] <Pricey> yeah
[21:27] <jpatrick> hm, now he's in -ot
[21:58] <jpatrick> * ^root^ [n=_Shoaibi@mbl-65-180-128.dsl.net.pk] has quit ["init 0"] in #u
[21:59] <Seeker`> jpatrick: ?
[22:00] <jpatrick> Seeker`: we had a problem with someone who /notice'd that to the channel once
[22:00] <Seeker`> "init 0"?
[22:00] <jpatrick> ya
[22:00] <jpatrick> shuts down the system
[22:00] <Seeker`> yeah
[22:09] <jussi01> stdin: about?
[22:10]  * jpatrick pokes jussi01 
[22:10] <jpatrick> jussi01: ah, I think some icons are still missing
[22:10] <jussi01> jpatrick: yes?
[22:11] <jpatrick> er, never mind
[22:11] <jussi01> wha?
[22:11] <jpatrick> never mind, misread something
[22:12] <jussi01> hehe
[22:13] <jussi01> jpatrick: do you think there is a better way of banning those offtopic/weird question persons/bots? 
[22:13] <ompaul> jpatrick, I often say things like shutdown -h now when I am quitting
[22:13] <ompaul> jpatrick, onetime I even said init 7
[22:13] <ompaul> hhehe
[22:13] <jpatrick> jussi01: where?
[22:13] <jpatrick> ompaul: right..
[22:13] <jussi01> jpatrick: #k
[22:14] <jussi01> see about 5 mins ago
[22:14] <jussi01> jpatrick: we had another earlier on - stdin banned it
[22:15] <jpatrick> jussi01: you should of warned me you were going to use /ambr
[22:15] <jussi01> jpatrick: I didnt. I used abrn
[22:16] <jpatrick> jussi01: what did romeo1 do?
[22:16] <jussi01> jpatrick: [02/17/08 00:01:32] < romeo1> can people call the police on you for giving them silent treatment or ignoring them or doing my own thing? and is it illegal or threatening to suddenly change your forehead to close together? how to not? :D thank you
[22:16] <jpatrick> jussi01: ah, what the hell
[22:16] <jpatrick> he did that in #kde too
[22:16] <jussi01> jpatrick: very similar and same host to jarule2 earlier
[22:17] <jpatrick> jussi01: yeah, /remove, they should know better
[22:19] <jussi01> jpatrick: Ok. however, it seemd like ban evasion/a bot to me, hence the ban. perhaps a forward to here would have been better
[22:20] <jpatrick> trolls
[22:20] <jussi01> yeah, could be. 
[22:21]  * jpatrick off to bed
[22:21] <jpatrick> night
[22:21] <jussi01> me also, night
[23:48] <ompaul> someone ask _oz_ to take their convo to pm I 
[23:48] <ompaul> please
[23:48] <ompaul> I don't want to do it in case they think I am picking on them
[23:48] <ompaul> now I look around
[23:49] <ompaul> kbrooks, can we help you?
[23:50] <LjL> Seveas: the test should be working yeah
[23:50] <nickrud>  ompaul ok
[23:50] <Seveas> LjL, yeah johnficca was lying :)
[23:50] <ompaul> nickrud, I just actioned that ;-)
[23:50] <nickrud> ompaul: yup, you hit enter quick :)
[23:50] <ompaul> nickrud, I need !patience l-)
[23:51] <nickrud> I really wasn't watching, I'm just waiting for a guy to come back there I was helping. Still sorta at work
[23:51] <ompaul> nickrud, no worries
[23:52] <nickrud> wierd, right now being an op seems to take the fun out ;p
[23:53] <ompaul> guidelines
[23:53] <ompaul> !guidelines
[23:53] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines