[00:00] so where does "apt-get dist-upgrade" hitch? [00:00] My upgrade worked, except the oo-hyphenation package, but I don't need/use that... what would this ubuntu-desktop metapackage do for me that my current install isn't doing? [00:01] it should ensure that any necessary packages are in place for dist-upgrades. [00:01] language-support-writing-en: Depends: openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us but it is not installed [00:01] That's where it bitches [00:01] Let me try aptitude [00:02] right, you don't need either of those satisfied for ubuntu-desktop to remain installed [00:02] i.e., they aren't here. [00:02] I used synaptic just now and purged that package and it also removed a few otehrs.. then it let me upgrade === danielm_ is now known as danielm [00:04] If Evolution has humongous fonts, I'm going to format this fscker and install FreeBSD on it. :( [00:04] Things like fonts, should not change during package upgrades [00:04] I would think its the default X settings that are getting changed. [00:04] But why is that affecting GNOME itself? Some GNOME apps seem to respect theme changes, others do not. [00:05] but i just upgraded.. now itw wanting me to reboot.. so will see what happends in a few min. [00:05] Yep. some gnome apps seem to be a little smarter then others. [00:05] "smarter", riiiiiiight. [00:05] setuid: it's foolhardy to blame brokenness on a known-broken development branch... === rbs-tito_ is now known as rbs-tito [00:05] crimsun_ Nah, I'm just angry because fonts is one thing I need NOT to be screwed with. [00:05] I can deal with crashing packages, but if every font is 10/12/14/etc. size, it renders everything useless. [00:07] After my crash I ran sudo dpkg --configure -a but some of the packages still didn't install [00:07] hal and several python packages for instance [00:07] How do I recover from here? [00:07] What is broken [00:08] 3 [00:09] I just had a blast of messages [00:14] how do I remove a package [00:14] hal and a bunch of other packages depend on policykit but I can't seem to install it with dpkg [00:14] Does anyone know how the xserver in 8.104 works? I see there really isn't an xork.conf file like I usually know. I have heard the new xserver does a lot of auto-configuration. Can I override some of this in the basic xorg.conf file? Thanks. [00:14] apt-get says that it is already installed [00:15] hansin: Yes. The new X still uses xorg.conf if you want it to, but it doesn't need one. [00:17] RAOF: Thanks. So can I override just sections, say I want to disable my laptop touchpad accepting an 'knock' on the pad as a mouse click? I think I need to create a custom input device section. The rest would still auto-cofig? [00:17] hansin: Yup. [00:17] How do [00:18] Sorry, how do I know what driver it auto-cofiged to (I used to check to xorg.conf file)? Just check output of lsmod? [00:18] no, /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:20] crimsun_: Thanks. Just learning new ways to do things in X. Lot to check out in that file... [00:28] Anyone have HAL working in Hardy? [00:28] setuid: err, what specifically? It WFM AFAICT. [00:29] crimsun_ When I start my X session, I get this error that HAL is not functioning [00:29] Let me get the exact error [00:32] *happy* dpi is right again (but the edid is actually correct for this laptop so having to disable it seems a little strange [00:42] HAL needs to work [00:42] it isn't working for me either because I had a crash during my upgrade [00:43] Internal error [00:43] failed to initialize HAL! [00:43] That's what I get starting GNOME, and a blank panel. If I kill gnome-panel, it restarts properly with all gadgets. [00:44] hmm. These symptoms are pointing to one or more of 1) screwed gnome-session config, 2) half-baked full-upgrade [00:44] Right [00:44] aptitude -f install isn't happyu [00:46] setuid: i kill my gnome panel often too [00:46] ctrl+alt+f2 login sudo killall gnome-panel ctrl+alt+f7 and it's all good for a while [00:47] just killall gnome-panel from any terminal works fine [00:48] crimsun_ doing an aptitude install ubuntu-desktop now [00:49] I had an upgrade crash in the middle after all packages were downloaded. I ran dpkg --configure -a but several packages were not installed [00:49] How do I recover. I have 3 broken packages that I cannot remove or reinstall [00:49] dpkg -P them [00:51] list them all by name? [00:52] If you cannot remove them you may need the remove reinst req switch have a look at --force-help [00:53] or you can just pipe dpkg -C | xargs sudo dpkg -P (or something like that - that is untested) [00:55] k [00:56] Wouldn't it be easier to install from a live CD or would that be possible === jacobmp92 is now known as jacob [00:56] I would still like to keep my previous installation [00:56] Look at what happens to windows even with those repair installations [00:56] I can't seem to get these dozen or so packages installed properly then there is an additional 306 that need installed [00:56] I have ubuntu install problem anyone wanna help me [00:56] it ends up completely trashed [00:57] but this is Linux [00:57] Exactly so such hacks are not implimented [00:58] with a stable release they shouldn't exist but with a development release its almost a certaintly you will be in this situation >= 1 ce [00:58] i keep crashing during ubuntu install to externa hd [00:58] Synaptic Package Manager runs but tells me that I have 3 broken packages hpijs gnome-applets, and hplib or something like that [00:59] I can't seem to remove or install them [00:59] update-manager will not run because I don't have the proper gnome-python packages installed yet [01:00] now for some reason only hplip is broken [01:03] any body wanna help [01:05] quit [01:05] qck === emgent is now known as enJoy [01:06] firefox 3: absurdly large UI graphics? wtf! === enJoy is now known as emgent [01:08] is there a command like way to force a system upgrade [01:09] Mark_Milliman: sure. Use apt-get/aptitude/dselect from the cli. [01:10] what would the command look like crimsun? [01:10] apt-get ??? [01:11] Mark_Milliman: aptitude full-upgrade [01:12] and that will upgrade to 8.04 james_w? [01:13] if you have hardy in your sources.list and no strange apt.conf or pinning. [01:13] should I clean out /var/cache/apt/archives? [01:14] where's sources.list in /etc? [01:15] Mark_Milliman: no need to, and /etc/apt/sources.list [01:15] there may also be files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ which are included in to that file. [01:15] found it -- Bug #191791 [01:15] Launchpad bug 191791 in firefox-3.0 "Firefox-3.0 zoomed images and webpages" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191791 [01:15] sources looks like to have been updated to hardy [01:16] what a shame -- there seems to be no way to tweak things in about:config to turn off this misfeature. [01:16] most of the gutsy entries have been changed to hardy [01:16] (the way full page zoom is implemented, that is) [01:16] except for the third party section [01:16] so james_w can I attempt aptitude full-upgrade [01:17] Mark_Milliman: yeah. [01:17] looks like it is going james_w [01:18] 300 packages to install a bunch to fix and 119 newly intsalled [01:18] my sudo seems to be broken [01:18] I'm still trying to figure out this package manager stuff [01:18] when I do something with sudo nothing happens, it just moves to the next line [01:18] never had that with System V [01:18] must say that I like it thought [01:18] though [01:19] hav serious problem updating in hardy seem to be errors in repositories [01:20] any one help me? [01:20] !ask [01:20] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [01:21] there is some issue at this time with some Openoffice related pacakges it seems. [01:22] or so we have been discussing lately [01:22] ok when i go to update in hardy there is a repository error and it lists all my repos as unasertainable [01:23] I'd be happy just to get 8.04 up and running [01:23] Open Orfice will resolve itself [01:24] may i ask what the open office problem is? [01:24] somthing with the hyphernation-dictionary conflucting with some other file. [01:26] thats one of those problems that will prob be fixed when the rest of the system comes together [01:27] So does Open Office install? [01:27] yes [01:27] I normally want to remove openoffice. :) since i rarely use it. [01:28] so it dosnt effect you which is good :) [01:28] WTF? Ctrl-scroll to zoom in Firefox is broken. [01:29] err, not here [01:30] Oh, compiz-fusion must be grabbing it. [01:31] Oh yeah, and the 2.6.24-8 kernel fixes essentially ALL of the scheduler issues I had had! [01:31] Now I can run folding@home again without bogging down the rest of the system. [01:32] right, that was fixed in 25-rc1 [01:32] (parts of which are in 8.13 [01:33] '25' is the version of the scheduler itself, or is it the next odd-numbered kernel? [01:33] 2.6.25-rc1 [01:33] and 2.6.24-8.13, respectively. [01:33] aah. I'll look in the changelogs. Oh, and have you had time to look any more at my audio thing? [01:33] crimsun I ran the aptitude full-upgrade and it downloaded several packages but crashed while preparing to replace gnome-applets-data [01:34] DanaG: unfortunately, no. Travelling ATM. [01:34] it doesn't look like python is instlled correctly [01:34] Aah. [01:34] Mark_Milliman: rescuable with "dpkg --configure -a && apt-get -f install"? [01:35] same set of errors crimsun [01:36] Well, wherever you happen to be traveling, have a good trip. [01:36] it says setting up policykit but can't access /var/run/PolicyKit no file or directory [01:36] then it tries to set up python-brlapi [01:37] can't seem to fine /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/bootconfig/__init__.py [01:38] is there a python package I should try to reinstall? [01:40] I don't have /var/lib/python-support/python2.5/bootconfig/, even. [01:40] heh, ACPI: battery: add sysfs serial number serial number can tell you from the imminent danger of beeing set on fire. [01:40] my guess is that it is a temp file during installation [01:41] my install probably crashed during that part of the install [01:41] you sure? It seems to be a non-standard location for another package. [01:41] that's the message [01:42] anytime I try to reinstall anything an error installing hplip comes up [01:42] I can't seem to get rid of hplip [01:42] it should remain installed AFAICT [01:42] let me peer more closely [01:43] right, it's a Recommends of the ubuntu-desktop meta. [01:44] that said, you can safely remove it and reinstall it afterward [01:44] I can't remove it [01:44] I tried [01:44] it remains broken [01:45] what's the error? [01:45] Mark_Milliman: it would be a lot easier to give you concrete advice if you put the errors on a pastebin. [01:45] yes james [01:47] subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 [01:47] instead of Unknown command [01:47] YAY: ACPI: video: Rationalise ACPI backlight implementation The sysfs backlight class provides no mechanism for querying the acceptable brightness for a backlight. The ACPI spec states that values are only valid if they are reported as available by the firmware. Since we can't provide that information to userspace, instead collapse the range to the number of actual values that can be set. http://bu [01:48] Preparing to replace hplip 2.7.12-0ubuntu2~gutsy1 (using .../hplip_2.8.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb).... [01:48] Traceback (most recent call last): [01:48] File "/usr/sbin/update-python-modules", line 348, in post_change_stuff(py) [01:49] File "/usr/sbin/update-python-modules", line 224, in post_change_stuff file(initfile, "w").close() [01:49] IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/bootconfig/__init__.py' [01:50] dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exist status 1 [01:50] and it keeps going [01:51] If this is hopeless, I'm ready to blow it away and reinstall on the partition from the liveCD [01:51] oh man. [01:51] that backport looks suspicious [01:52] funny thing is that I am running on the new kernel with X [01:52] just most things don't work [01:52] so. You /can/ fix^Wkludge around that, but I do /not/ recommend it. [01:53] first, dpkg -P --force-depends python-support hplip [01:53] so the best thing is to blow away the partition and install the latest alpha [01:53] then continue. [01:54] I just hate reconfiguring my mouse, banshee, firefox, samba, and everything else [01:55] ugh, this brings up the contentious point of having update-manager disable -backports if it doesn't already. [01:56] I guess I'll reinstall from the latest nightly [01:58] at least I can copy my home directory to an NTFS for good keeping [01:58] It is probably a good idea to clean up the install anyway [01:58] I probably have quite a mess [01:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/121833 [01:59] Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when between discrete levels, both from hotkeys and from dim-on-idle." [Low,Incomplete] [01:59] There's my brightness bug. [01:59] Oh, and hint for not having to reconfigure stuff: copy any conf files you've modified. [02:00] I'm copying my complete $HOME directory [02:02] oops found some links that created a recursive copy [02:03] I have a dumb question, would not a better name for initrd.gz as used in Ubuntu be initramfs.gz? === Dante is now known as VanDyke [02:23] wfarr@wfarr-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get -f install [02:23] Reading package lists... Done [02:23] Building dependency tree [02:23] Reading state information... Done [02:23] Correcting dependencies... Done [02:23] The following extra packages will be installed: [02:23] openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us [02:23] The following NEW packages will be installed: [02:23] openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us [02:23] 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [02:23] 557 not fully installed or removed. [02:23] Need to get 0B/32.5kB of archives. [02:23] After this operation, 127kB of additional disk space will be used. [02:23] Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y [02:23] (Reading database ... 115765 files and directories currently installed.) [02:24] Unpacking openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us (from .../openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb) ... [02:24] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb (--unpack): [02:24] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation [02:24] Errors were encountered while processing: [02:24] /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb [02:24] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [02:24] er damn pidgin [02:24] i used synaptic and removed the openoffice.org-hyphenation package [02:25] Yeah, I didn't even mean to paste it in here. [02:26] Thanks though. [02:27] Mark_Milliman: Don't forget any system-level .conf files you've customized. For example, I've tweaked xorg.conf, dnsmasq.conf, 'interfaces', and many other files. [02:36] Another thing I'm curious about: how does the Asus Virtuoso chip differ from the CMI8788? I had thought it'd just be a rebranded chip. [02:38] DanaG: hows things going with benchmarking videocards with screensavers [02:39] any progress? [02:39] Actually, I haven't found any need for myself to benchmark things. [02:40] lol [02:40] Has anyone here actually had any success using vinagre? [02:41] http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2218 [02:41] title: AnandTech: Building a Better (Linux) GPU Benchmark [02:42] Note that the article is from 2004, however. [02:42] DanaG: mmm which screensaver anandtech was useing? [02:44] google: linux opengl benchmark [02:45] DanaG: you lost a point [02:45] http://dee.cz/lightsmark/ [02:45] yeah tried that [02:46] in windows [02:46] where is linux version? hmmm [02:46] lets see [02:46] wine. [02:47] are you serious? well... probebly it is better than screensavers anyway... lmfao [02:57] PulseAudio's "Duplicate" feature is cool. It keeps multiple devices in sync amazingly well. [02:57] ...and when it's on a weak wifi network (or weak card), it's rather ridiculously amusing. [02:58] 'Duplicate' over an unreliable network produces wacky pitch, speed, and volume changes in both devices. [03:03] hmmm they even was able to run 3dmark 06 in wine... amazing... still will not replace screensavers... due to heavy cost of direct3d translation calls... mmm [03:04] Oh yeah, also look at www.humus.ca [03:05] That person has some OpenGL how-to demos for Linux; some even have source code. [03:05] Could someone with an up-to-date installation try running vinagre, and see if there is a problem with keyboard focus? [03:08] ignorance.campus.alfred.edu ? Where's that? [03:08] cge: mmm do you want to connect to me [03:08] whats with keyboard foxus? [03:08] focus [03:09] How do I use Firefox 2 now that I have Firefox 3 alpha 3 installed? [03:09] zqwe: when I'm using vinagre, keypresses aren't sent to the remote screen due to a gtk focus problem. [03:09] zqwe: ie, bug #192051 [03:09] Launchpad bug 192051 in vinagre "Vinagre keyboard not working, mouse not always visible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192051 [03:19] cge: i have a problems with testing that localy, 1st it is too slow, i cant enter fullscreen, and i encounter strange behaviour with mouse... [03:22] every time npviewer.bill(gates) crashes [03:22] cge: hmm bug already confirmed with updated software, what you expect from us?.. [03:22] for unknow reasons, something with the programmer is wrong [03:22] do you use AMD64 [03:22] and ndiswrapper [03:22] yeah NvidiAMD 64 [03:23] !info japa [03:23] no wlan on this desktop [03:23] japa (source: japa): JACK and ALSA Perceptual Analyser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2.1-3ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 33 kB, installed size 136 kB [03:23] doesn't work with pulseaudio! It demands mmap. [03:24] fnordistus: do you have a reason to use AMD64 [03:24] yes, i have 16GB Ram [03:24] :) [03:25] and i don't need A20Gate or such legacy crap like bank switching introduced in i386 architecture [03:25] Hey does Hardy fix the MESA / OpenGL issues that in Gutsy? [03:25] My X3100 can't run any thing OpenGL related without locking the machine [03:26] these issues :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa [03:28] fnordistus: bug 141613, and this happens not only in ubuntu... [03:28] Launchpad bug 141613 in nspluginwrapper "npviewer.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141613 [03:29] strange, a zero pointer [03:31] try gnash or swfdec [03:31] waiting for adobe to make 64-bit flash [03:31] i tried gnasm even more problems [03:32] in 32-bit adobe flash not crashing [03:33] btw some workaround is flashblock, cuz it makes flash not load all files on a page at once (which was ussually reason for crash for me) [03:33] you may enable flash parts of page one by one [03:34] those flash sux [03:35] flash is evil [03:35] agree [03:35] i could accept it if those adobe bungholes would offer the illuminati documentary papers for flash [03:36] How do I launch FIrefox 2 if I have Firefox 3 installed? [03:38] RyanPrior: it look like it was replaced, so you have to remove 3 and install 2 [03:38] from what i see searching for it [03:38] i cannot finish those stupid level called high gravity in supertux [03:38] zqwe: That sucks. I read somewhere that they would be installed side by side. [03:39] RyanPrior: yes, if you installed that manually, but you updated it, arent you [03:39] What sucks is that I trashed my 7.10 installation trying to upgrade to 8.04 [03:39] I already started using ff3 [03:39] good thing it isn't a production system [03:40] yeah you have to know you use ALPHA softwrae marky mark [03:40] if you need good vibrations, just use gutsy [03:40] I know but it fixes some pending problems that Gutsy broke [03:40] Why would a "production system" have Firefox or Hardy installed on it? [03:40] well if hardy is alpha, then gutsy is beta [03:41] and edgy is gamma? [03:41] lol [03:41] and dapper delta? [03:41] the install didn't break...a flaky usb device went in the crapper during dpkg [03:41] I agree that Gutsy is beta [03:41] or gamma [03:41] Omega [03:41] I found that hardy alpha 4 fixes some problems on my machine [03:42] totally agree [03:42] yeah, some kernel issues [03:42] so far it appears to be a little better than Gutsy [03:42] same here [03:42] the kernel issues that I have been having are goioone [03:42] 2.6.24 works a lot better [03:42] I'm just pissed that I have to reconfigure the machine [03:42] not the generic kernel [03:42] at least I have my $HOME directory [03:42] the rt kernel? [03:42] but i must say hardy fixed not all gutsy bugs, many remains [03:43] RT is a bad hack for my opinions [03:43] I am sure that many remain it is an alpha after all and not all bugs were identified as candidates for this release [03:43] i want to be able to install my own kernels in hardy [03:43] Maybe a clean install will work better [03:43] regulate: i done that [03:43] I hacked up V4L pretty bad [03:44] yeah linux from scratch [03:44] zqwe: which kernel [03:44] regulate: 2.6.24.1 from kernel.org [03:44] zqwe: i haven't been able to install any i packaged via make-kpkg [03:44] custom build [03:44] At least this Windows machine is still running [03:45] i still wait for a FruBuntu or BSDUNTU [03:45] regulate: i just fallowed some instruction on a web, it was my 1st time to build kernel [03:45] followed [03:47] good thing about *nix is that all of the personal settings are kept in the home directory [03:47] im afraid if torvalds goes upward [03:47] doomsday [03:47] At least I will get my FF, Miro, Banshee, and other settings back. I just have to reinstall everything [03:50] fnordistus: you mean if he will gone? in recent interview he said nothing will happen, he have some ppl to replace him [03:51] rebooting [03:55] ivan@xhost:~$ cd data && wine ../bin/win32/LightsMark2007.exe [03:55] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [04:15] well that was nice [04:15] i was going to recommend he go to the latest wine from the budgetdedicated repo [04:15] but nooo === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFK [04:57] Has anyone been able to display fonts:/// in Nautalus [04:57] Natilus that is [04:57] Nautilus [04:57] cna't spel [05:00] yo [05:00] yo [05:00] whats new with hardy heron [05:00] fglrx 8.02 ッ [05:01] now with composition support for xorg server 1.4 ッ [05:05] what's the current breakage? [05:05] i hear alsa is still pretty messed up? [05:06] jscinoz, some issue with openoffice hypa-nation file.. also.. not seen anyone ask about alsa today [05:06] is there anything specific about when in april its being released? [05:06] ie what day :P [05:06] I recommend the new sound system over ALSA [05:07] I forgot what it is called...I am rebooting so I can't tell you just yet [05:07] it doesn't require so many shims [05:09] pulseaudio? [05:12] pulseaudio [05:12] is gnome currently broken in hardy? [05:14] seems to be a conflict where libgnomekbd1 and libgnomekbd2 can't coexist, but different parts of gnome depend on one or the other [05:18] it worked for me earlier [05:23] "but different parts of gnome depend on one or the other" [05:23] that's a problem [05:23] they should say something like 1+ [05:23] oh wait....... was it a complete overhaul? [05:23] huh? [05:23] so that's not just a dependency versioning issue.. [05:23] neverming [05:24] looks like *kbd1 is being replaced by *kbd2, but is only partially finished [05:24] ok [05:24] transition, i can deal with that [05:24] so exciting ^_^ [05:27] * heret1c backs [05:29] amazing, still online after a 5-hr snooze! :-) [05:30] * DanaG uses PulseAudio too. [05:30] It's wonderful when using multiple audio devices. [05:30] * heret1c dips hat at danag [05:33] i was using PA back with fiesty or gutsy [05:34] broke /everything/ [05:34] Amarok is insanely resilient though ^_^ [05:35] ethana2: mplayer now fully supports it, and the workaround for libflash is good too [05:35] so all is good here with PA [05:36] Yeah, now I'm /supposed/ to be using it ;) [05:36] it was sweet, sending music over wifi [05:36] I had the opposite problem with Amarok: [05:36] It totally BREAKS with PulseAudio. [05:36] hmm [05:37] And woe unto you if you use Global Hotkeys -- then when you hit 'pause', it entirely locks up your keyboard for 30 seconds or more. [05:46] Synaptics' "fix broken packages" doen'nt allways live up to the advertisinf. :-/ [05:47] lol [05:47] I usually use Aptitude. [05:48] danag> it gives the same errors. [05:49] Woot! _We have 3d_. [05:49] next stop is 4d [05:50] Well, next stop is making nouveau's 3d more complete, so that more things actually run :) [05:50] more than glxgears? [05:50] And Quake3 arena. [05:50]