[00:28] <sigve> ...so I boot my vistabox in xp and rdp with sound works.
[00:39] <t105> hi! can anybody tell me why my xorg.conf gets edited automatically when i start xubuntu? i've edited the file, but now it is changed... is that a sign of something having gone wrong?
[01:40] <mikubuntu> i can't figure out how to use pan newsreader.  i've looked at their faqs, the home page, everything, and i don't know where to get server info to add servers.  seems like the first thing they would tell you, but i'll be dagblasted if i can figure it out.  anybody know a resource list i might access?
[01:45] <crimsun_> mikubuntu: err, well, I presume you have usenet access already?
[02:03] <jimmy_> Hi guys, I've just started out with xfce on ubuntu, I had 2 panels set up but somehow they have disappeared, I've tried restarting but that didnt bring them back, the only way for me to access them is to run "xfce4-panel" from the terminal, meaning i'd have to keep that terminal open
[02:04] <jimmy_> can anyone help me get them back automatically?
[04:26] <ron_o> wow, upgraded to 7.10 and it worked out flawlessly. I can't believe it. Ubuntu has come a long way since when i tried it a few years back.
[04:30] <quittt> ron_o, are you on Xubuntu?
[04:30] <ron_o> yah.
[04:30] <quittt> hehe
[04:31] <quittt> the system is great now
[04:31] <ron_o> but I just installed it so problems might have arisen if I had more apps ans such.
[04:31] <quittt> ron_o, don't worry
[04:31] <quittt> I have a lot of apps here, and I hadn't had any problems...
[04:36] <EchoBinary> is there a how-to on installing xen as a Dom0 on an xubuntu desktop environment? all the tutorials assume a server environment...
[04:37] <EchoBinary> ..that i have found, anywyas
[04:46] <ron_o> EchoBinary, would this work? http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu
[04:48] <EchoBinary> hmm, in my searches i am wondering if its better to use KVM or not..
[04:48] <EchoBinary> opinions?
[04:49] <ron_o> xen should be faster.. but KVM might be easier.
[04:49]  * EchoBinary nods
[04:50] <EchoBinary> i wonder how much faster...    i expect to be mostly doing command line stuff on the VMs
[04:51] <ron_o> then I wouldn't worry about it. As long as you stay out of a GUI environ and aren't transcoding or some such, then anyone would probably do.
[04:52] <ron_o> xen is just great because it's a true paravirtualized environment that has nearly full access to your hardware.
[04:52] <EchoBinary> hmm
[04:53] <ron_o> but the other virtualized environs are pretty good from what I hear. I've only toyed with a few here and there and never used one seriously, so take my advice for what it's worth.
[04:53] <EchoBinary> yeah, thanks :)
[04:53] <EchoBinary> i think i will try KVM after all
[04:53] <EchoBinary> im a big fan of simple to use.. hahaa
[04:54]  * EchoBinary is lazy admin
[04:54] <ron_o> I'd still like to get xen working. I've got a core2duo with virt. support, so I could even run a liveCD if I knew how.
[05:12] <Myrmidon> Hello, I've got a bit of a question
[05:12] <mjw-> !justask
[05:12] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:12] <mjw-> :)
[05:14] <Myrmidon> alright - I'd like to try Xunbuntu but I'm a little worried - I crack the.iso with daemontools and there is an installer - is this a permanant install or will it run as a form LiveCD?
[05:14] <mjw-> the livecd is both a live cd and contains an installer too
[05:14] <mjw-> !livecd
[05:14] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Desktop CD is a "LiveCD" which can be run without altering existing files on your harddrive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[05:14] <Myrmidon> I mean, when I crack the .iso all I see is an installer
[05:15] <mjw-> i'm not an iso expert, so i couldn't tell you what you're going to find
[05:15] <mjw-> but trust me, the live cd is just that, a live cd.
[05:15] <ron_o> just shove it in your drive and it will give you options before it boots.
[05:16] <Myrmidon> I have no access to a CD burner - I just downloaded Xunbunt
[05:16] <mjw-> !usb | Myrmidon
[05:16] <ubotu> Myrmidon: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[05:16] <ron_o> Xubuntu will let you run the liveCD then you can install it if you so choose. There's an insaller icon on your desktop.
[05:17] <Myrmidon> I know that (I've run a distro before) but I'm just wondering if the installer I see in the .iso is just an installer to run the LiveCD
[05:18] <mjw-> Myrmidon you'd have to look at the documentation around the ubuntu web site to see how they roll up the live cd...that's a bit of a development question and certainly beyond my understanding
[09:22] <lllsondowlll> Still having problems, I came here earlier looking for a solution on installing my ubuntu 7.10 because I got graphic errors in both install and graphic safe mod with my nvidia geforece fx 5500. During the install I get sound but the video is highly corrupted. I was given a solution, a how to, but it really wasn't helpful as it just talked about commands but nothing to do with the actual installation of 7.10 ubuntu. Helo?
[09:22] <lllsondowlll> Help?*
[09:23] <lllsondowlll> Hello?
[10:00] <LeAstrale> hi ppl
[10:01] <zoredache> hello
[10:01] <LeAstrale> zoredache: :)
[10:02] <LeAstrale> anyone in here experience that xubuntu seems to forget xorg everytime you reboot ?
[10:03] <zoredache> what do you mean, forget xorg?
[10:04] <LeAstrale> zoredache: everytime i reboot i have to reinstall my Nvidia drivers. it seems its the only way i can get back the right resolution
[10:04] <LeAstrale> i have a 8800gt Nvidia
[10:05] <siggjen> nvidia-settings is a nice tool
[10:06] <zoredache> hrm...
[10:07] <LeAstrale> siggjen: should it be able to solve my problems ?
[10:08] <siggjen> sudo it and save settings to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:11] <LeAstrale> siggjen: ill try and reboot in some 10 mins
[10:11] <siggjen> good luck
[10:11] <LeAstrale> ty siggjen
[10:15] <LeAstrale> have neither of you experienced similar problems with xubuntu ?
[10:15] <zoredache> no
[10:16] <LeAstrale> no Nvidia gfx cards ?
[10:16] <LeAstrale> it might be that its only when using the driver from Nvidia.com
[10:21] <siggjen> i use the driver in xubuntu repository
[10:21] <siggjen> don't see any need to use any driver not tested by xubuntu
[10:23] <LeAstrale> siggjen: the only problem is that the one in  the repos isn't working out on 8800gt yet
[10:23] <LeAstrale> it will when hardy is around im sure, but that doesn't help me awhole lot right now
[10:24] <siggjen> you can upgrade to hardy now if you can live with instability
[10:24] <PeckaH> "instability"
[10:34] <azaghal> Hello. I'm trying to install Xubuntu via alternate install CD on an x86 machine. Is it really necessary for it to connect to the internet (or the packages on the CD are enough)?
[10:37] <LeAstrale> azaghal: no need for internet connection when installing :)
[10:38] <LeAstrale> siggjen: how do i upgrade to hardy now ?
[10:38] <azaghal> Well, it kept trying to find a mirror (packate repo mirror, I guess), and the one time I enabled it network it started downloading things?
[10:38] <azaghal> s/things/packages/
[10:39] <LeAstrale> i thing its just doing updates to the install packages
[10:39] <LeAstrale> thikn*
[10:39] <LeAstrale> think*
[10:39] <azaghal> Hm... Can I prevent it doing even that at installation time?
[10:39] <siggjen> replace all gutsy with hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list, and then update/upgrade i guess
[10:39] <LeAstrale> hmm.. ill just read up a little on it siggjen
[10:40] <siggjen> yes, check forums
[10:43] <LeAstrale> siggjen: yes you're right... im doing a dist-upgrade right now
[10:43] <LeAstrale> i need to download 650mb :O
[10:43] <LeAstrale> it'll probarly take some good 15 minutes :)
[10:43] <azaghal> 15 minutes? I hate you people with good connections. -.-
[10:44] <LeAstrale> azaghal: whats you're connection? i have an 8mbit
[10:44] <azaghal> 512/512kbps ;)
[10:45] <LeAstrale> azaghal: thats almost 2 years since i had a 512/512
[10:45] <LeAstrale> i used to hate it pretty much too
[10:45] <azaghal> Well, this IS Serbia, you know ;)
[10:45] <LeAstrale> but after going from 1 mbit to 8 mbit im sure i could easily live with 4mbit
[10:46] <LeAstrale> im in denmark ;)
[10:46] <LeAstrale> one of the countries in EU with the most expensive and worst quality internet
[10:51] <LeAstrale> bbl ppl
[10:51] <LeAstrale> im gonna take a walk while the computer works
[11:04] <nikolam> Hi
[11:04] <nikolam> I wanted to compile newer wine.
[11:06] <nikolam> But sudo apt-get build-dep wine wanted to remove bunch of packages, I want to remain: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56340/
[11:07] <nikolam> i dont want to uninstall k9copy, monodevelop, ffmpeg, qdvdauthor, mplayer , etc.. in order to compile wine...
[11:29] <azaghal> LeAstrale: Well, disabling the network device in VirtualBox itself has helped ;)
[11:38] <nikolam> If you are using Virtualbox..
[11:38] <nikolam> Does USB support works for you?
[11:39] <nikolam> I run Virtualbox 1.5.4 on Gutsy and I have "usb will not work" message
[11:39] <azaghal> Nope, I don't think so. If I get it right, it's provided only in properitary variant of VirtualBox.
[11:39] <azaghal> qemu should have some kind of support for that, but kqemu doesn't behave well on x86_64 machines for some reason.
[11:40] <nikolam> ah taht`s it. I am on amd64
[11:40] <azaghal> nikolam: Do you have AMD's or Intel's support for virtualisation on your CPU?
[11:40] <nikolam> And I first installed free version and then closed version just beacouse of usb..
[11:40] <nikolam> YES
[11:41] <azaghal> Why not use the kvm then?
[11:41] <nikolam> x2 3600+
[11:41] <nikolam> I am a bit confused.. I managed to make VM extensions work only in Virtualbox
[11:42] <nikolam> qemulator, qemu launcher etc.. all does not seems to use VT instructions
[11:42] <azaghal> There is a kvm module in later kernels that supports AMD-V and Intel's extensions for virutalisation, using modified qemu sources.
[11:42] <nikolam> Even I have VT module up and running
[11:43] <azaghal> qemu can use only kqemu, which doesn't work on x86_64 arch for some reason.
[11:43] <nikolam> I have it running but qemu wont start with it.
[11:43] <nikolam> that`s it.
[11:43] <azaghal> And to use kvm module you need tweaked version of qemu program (ie. they  based it on qemu).
[11:43] <azaghal> Ah
[11:44] <nikolam> So only with virtualbox i made it work
[11:45] <nikolam> Hm,
[11:45] <nikolam> qemu here is 0.9.0-2ubuntu4
[11:47] <nikolam> I even added kvm as architecture in qemulator
[11:48] <nikolam> but it seems that i can run only 32-bit guest, not 64-bit one
[11:54] <azaghal> nikolam: Hm... qemu can also use kvm module, or...?
[11:55] <azaghal> Ah...
[11:56] <nikolam> I found in qemulator settings that you can add /usr/bin/kvm as `architecture`
[11:56] <nikolam> but it seems that it does not work with 64-bit guest again
[11:57] <azaghal> Since you seem to have been exploring all this - is it possible to run 32-bit guest using kqemu?
[12:04] <nikolam> every time i select kqemu, it wont start from qemulator
[12:04] <nikolam> I am not shure yet
[12:07] <azaghal> Ok, I'm about to play with it again turning of acpi etc ;)
[12:07] <azaghal> The weird thing is that VirtualBox uses modified kqemu, I think.
[12:09] <nikolam> I just checked. Virtualbox can use only 32-bit guest. CD image starts and then objects that it is i586 arch.
[13:20] <roland_> hello everyone
[13:20] <roland_> i was wondering if you could help me with WINE! i installed a certain windows based program though its not working! how may i know where does WINE install its progs! like the directory..
[13:22] <DarthShrine> ~/.wine/drive_c
[13:22] <roland_> -= home ?
[13:22] <DarthShrine> Yeah.
[13:23] <roland_> thanks ill give it a try
[13:24] <roland_> thanks DarthShrine  worked like a charm :)
[13:24] <DarthShrine> roland_: No problem.
[14:43] <gywst> hello
[14:43] <gywst> what is the key shortcut to the shell
[14:44] <TheSheep> alt+ctrl+f1
[14:44] <TheSheep> and alt+ctrl+f7 to go back
[14:44] <gywst> thanks
[14:45] <gywst> and to a terminal window
[14:45] <TheSheep> I think there is no default, just make one in settings->keyboard settings
[14:45] <TheSheep> the command is xfce4-terminal
[14:50] <gywst> cant
[14:50] <gywst> :(
[14:57] <jgamio> please a need help here i installed the restricted pack but i can plat mp3 files
[15:01] <TheSheep> !mp3
[15:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:08] <gywst> Success!
[15:08] <jgamio>  TheSheep, thank you i am going to check
[15:28] <fources> hola!
[15:31] <nikolam> hi
[15:32] <fources> nikolam: hi!
[15:32] <nikolam> what`s up
[15:32] <fources> I have a pc with limited hardware configuration
[15:32] <nikolam> what`s specs
[15:32] <fources> antes que nada
[15:32] <fources> nose ingles
[15:32] <fources> estoy aqui con un diccionario
[15:33] <fources> asi que trata de entenderme... plis
[15:33] <nikolam> u just can speek english (poorly)
[15:33] <fources> AMD Duron 900 Mhz, 256 Ram DIMM
[15:33] <nikolam> That is nice machine
[15:33] <nikolam> Run Xubuntu alternate 7.10 32-bit
[15:34] <fources> yes... I am trying to speak english
[15:34] <fources> try to understand because I don't know english
[15:34] <fources> xubuntu run in that pc
[15:35] <jgamio> fources, que problema tienes
[15:35] <nikolam> Mz native language is also not english.. so.. :)
[15:35] <fources> but I don't know if run slow
[15:35] <fources> mas que todo prefiero saber los requerimientos completos
[15:36] <fources> en ningun lado vi cuanto de video pide
[15:36] <nikolam> it will run fine, just fine. I used to use xubuntu on p3-733,384Mb ram and it worked fine. Duron-900 is like p3-1100, so it should be fine.
[15:36] <fources> en www.xubuntu.org
[15:36] <fources> but you have a 128Mb ram more
[15:36] <jgamio> fources, ok el video no es problema a menos que quieras correr compiz
[15:36] <fources> ...no jgamio por el momento hablamos solo del sistema
[15:36] <nikolam> 256 is fine
[15:37] <jgamio> fources, yo he montado xubuntu en una maquina pIII 128 mb con 8 de video y corre
[15:37] <fources> donde miro los requerimientos completos??
[15:37] <fources> es que 7.1 ocupa mas recursos que LTS verdad
[15:38] <fources> 7.1 ocuped more ... than LTS
[15:38] <nikolam> Just have in mind that zou should prefer "Alternate" install CD
[15:38] <fources> jgamio: sabes que dijo??
[15:39] <nikolam> You can find hardware spec on http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[15:40] <fources> there isn't say how many video do you need
[15:40] <nikolam> if you use 2d graphics and video, Any Grqphic card should be fine
[15:40] <fources> tampoco cuanta velocidad debe ser el procesador
[15:41] <nikolam> Nvidia has nice drivers. I used to use matroxG400 on xubuntu
[15:41] <fources> The pc is running XP
[15:41] <fources> If run XP run xubuntu??
[15:41] <nikolam> I had 16megs of ram on gr. card but any number of Mb is fine if it is enough for your X-windows
[15:41] <nikolam> xubuntu is an OS that could Replace XP competely
[15:43] <fources> I have 8Mb video
[15:43] <fources> resolution??
[15:44] <nikolam> that is fine. What card and monitor do you have?
[15:44] <fources> 800x 600 is good??
[15:44] <nikolam> 800x600 is minimal but OK
[15:44] <fources> the video card is integrada...
[15:44] <nikolam> 1024x768 is better
[15:44] <nikolam> What motherboard is it?
[15:44] <fources> como puedo saber eso???
[15:45] <fources> how can I know that???
[15:45] <fources> the motherboard, and video card
[15:45] <nikolam> if your card is not recognised after install and Vesa server is used, try to run:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:45] <nikolam> and adjust your card driver and monitor specs.
[15:46] <nikolam> You need to find exact monitor refresh frequencies, on internet, depending on the Model of your Monitor
[15:47] <nikolam> fources: you also have #ubuntu-es :)
[15:47] <fources> is a Samsum Sync Master
[15:47] <fources> algo asi
[15:47] <nikolam> what model
[15:47] <fources> nikolam: yes
[15:49] <jgamio> fources, disculap pero sali un momento no te preocupes tienes maquina como para correr xubuntu sin problemas
[15:50] <fources> jgamio: mi mayorr duda que tengo... que es para lo que vine... donde estan los requerimientos completos de xubuntu???
[15:51] <fources> habia pensado instalar xubuntu LTS porque como es mas viejo debe llevar menos recursos
[15:51] <jgamio> fources, no pienses esto no es windows
[15:51] <fources> pero aqui no dice por ningun lado el procesador
[15:52] <fources> entonces LTS lleva los mismos recursos que 7.10???
[15:52] <fources> es igualito??? no pide ni un 1Hz mas???
[15:52] <jgamio> fources, si quieres usar pocos recursos xubuntu es perfecto
[15:52] <fources> eso me han dicho jgamio
[15:53] <jgamio> fources, todo depende de que programas vayas a utilizar
[15:53] <fources> pero es que mi limitante es el procesador pienso yo
[15:53] <fources> al ser de un solo nucleo nose cuanto pueda hacer con eso
[15:53] <jgamio> la memoria tiene que ver
[15:53] <jgamio> a mayor programas uses al mismo tiempo mas memoria necesitas
[15:53] <fources> pero ya he hecho la prueba
[15:53] <fources> 1Gb de swap y 256 de ram
[15:54] <fources> la ram solo llega a 150 y se pone lento
[15:54] <jgamio> 1gb de swap es demasiado
[15:54] <fources> por eso queria ver las especificaciones de xubuntu... queria ver el procesador
[15:54] <jgamio> para 256 mb de ram
[15:54] <fources> entonces jgamio eso es el problema??
[15:54] <jgamio> no lo uqe pasa es que si usas swap usa memoria de disco
[15:54] <fources> entre mas swap mas lento??
[15:54] <fources> no pero ni la ocupaba
[15:55] <fources> en el monitor del sistema solo decia que ocupaba como 10Mb
[15:55] <jgamio> la va usando a medida que usas la maquina
[15:55] <fources> cuanto colocaras de swap??
[15:55] <fources> 512???
[15:55] <fources> el doble de la ram he leido
[15:56] <jgamio> yo te digo que pruebes con menos swap
[15:56] <jgamio> exacto prueba con 512 o 256
[15:56] <jgamio> a menos que requieras mas memoria
[15:56] <jgamio> que tipo de programas piensas utilizar
[15:57] <fources> mmm... lo normal
[15:57] <fources> mensajeria instantanea, firefox, algo para reproducir musica
[15:57] <fources> lo de un usuario normal
[15:57] <jgamio> ok trata con 256 de swap para probar
[15:57] <jgamio> con tus 256 de ram yo creo que es suficiente
[15:58] <fources> ok... pero mi duda
[15:58] <jgamio> preguntelo
[15:58] <fources> entonces xubuntu 7.10 pide los mismo recursos que 6.06???
[15:58] <jgamio> no
[15:58] <fources> que LTS... es mi duda por ahorita
[15:58] <fources> dejando windows a un lado claro
[15:58] <fources> entonces jgamio es mas rapido??
[15:59] <jgamio> que tiene mas soporte
[15:59] <fources> claro no miremos la ram... solo en procesador
[15:59] <jgamio> te  explico cada version tiene un tiempo de soporte
[15:59] <fources> jgamio: no solo del lado de los requerimientos... eso del soporte ya lo se
[15:59] <fources> solo en la rama de los requerimientos
[15:59] <fources> Long-Term-Support
[16:00] <jgamio> mira yo he usado la version 7.04 sin problemas
[16:00] <jgamio> ahora la 7.10 si me ha puesto un poco mas lento
[16:00] <jgamio> pero puedes si quieres instalar la 6.06 e ir actualizando
[16:00] <fources> no si eso lo se... solo quiero saber... entonces 6.06 pide menos recursos???
[16:00] <fources> estamos de acuerdo??
[16:01] <jgamio> no difieren mucho
[16:01] <jgamio> no puedes pensar como windows en ubuntu las cosas no funcionan igual
[16:02] <jgamio> los recursos van a depender de lo que tengas instalado
[16:02] <jgamio> si montas 6.06 pero le montas las ultimas aplicaciones te va a consumir los mismos recursos que en la ultima version
[16:02] <fources> no si... eso ya lo se
[16:03] <fources> bueno entonces donde miro cuanto de procesador miro
[16:03] <fources> asi hago mis comparaciones yo
[16:03] <jgamio> ok mira yo te recomiendo la que trates con la 7.04
[16:03] <jgamio> yo la he usado con un pIII con 128 MB para navegar y mensajeria sin problemas
[16:04] <fources> ok
[16:04] <fources> pero donde puedo ver eso que te dije???
[16:04] <fources> asi ya no molesto mas aqui xDDD
[16:05] <jgamio> dame un chance que estoy revizando mis links
[16:05] <jgamio> y tranquilo que no es molestia ayudar
[16:06] <TheSheep> !en
[16:06] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[16:06] <fources> ok gracias
[16:07] <TheSheep> sorry, but it's very confusing for other users
[16:08] <jgamio>  TheSheep, sorry i just wanted  to help
[16:09] <jgamio>  TheSheep, is not to much info to xubuntu in spanish
[16:09] <nikolam> jgamio, there is ubuntu loco in spanish
[16:10] <jgamio> nikolam, yeah but is about ubuntu not xubuntu
[16:14] <fources> jgamio: los encontraste??
[16:19] <jgamio> fources: tienes razon no los consigo en ningun lado, for the people i am looking for the min system requirement for xubuntu version
[16:19] <fources> jgamio: pero quiero lo que pide de procesador... es decir cuanto pregunto los requerimientos solo se guian por la ram
[16:19] <fources> jgamio: los he buscado en google y nada... por eso entre aqui
[16:20] <nikolam> Helooooooooooooooo
[16:20] <nikolam> !en
[16:20] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[16:20] <jgamio>  nikolam, he is looking for the min requirement for xubuntu
[16:23] <fources> I'm looking for the requirement for xubuntu 6.06, 7.04 and 7.10
[16:26] <TheSheep> fources: http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements
[16:27] <jgamio> TheSheep, he is loking for cpu the page only has the memory
[16:27] <fources> TheSheep: but there only
[16:27] <fources> and the video memory too
[16:27] <TheSheep> well, it will run on any cpu, the question is how slow can you bear
[16:29] <TheSheep> a 200Mhz petium 2 is probably the minimal useful cpu, but I've run it on p90
[16:29] <fources> ese de xubuntu 6.06?? o de 7.10???
[16:31] <TheSheep> they are very similar
[16:40] <fources> TheSheep: xubuntu 6.06 y xubuntu 7.10... run similar... the same requiriment???
[16:40] <fources> requirement
[16:56] <TheSheep> fources: yes
[16:56] <fources> ok entonces instalare xubuntu 7.10
[16:56] <fources> thanks everyone
[16:56] <fources> bye
[18:00] <schlumpf> hi how do i find out which ubuntu version i have feisty dapper and so on
[18:01] <nanonyme> /etc/apt/sources.list might provide you with hints
[18:02] <schlumpf> isent there a command line order so it shows
[18:02] <siggjen> lsb_release -a
[18:02] <schlumpf> thx :)
[18:03]  * nanonyme chuckles at "No LSB modules are available."
[18:06] <nanonyme> does everyone else get that too?
[18:06] <siggjen> nanonyme: maybe you should try «lsb_release --help»
[18:07] <nanonyme> siggjen, i do get the information, i just also get that message
[18:07] <nanonyme> though i didn't do it on a desktop ubuntu so it might be the reason
[18:07] <siggjen> not in debian, but this xubuntu machine got it
[18:08] <nanonyme> well, the system is ubuntu-server :)
[18:08] <siggjen> maybe they didn't set up the kernel as it should
[18:08] <nanonyme> possible
[18:08] <nanonyme> which kernel version do you have?
[18:09] <siggjen> 2.6.22-14-generic
[18:10] <siggjen> x86_64
[18:10] <nanonyme> hmm
[18:10] <nanonyme> i installed package lsb and it doesn't show that message again
[18:11] <nanonyme> so it's probably a difference in the meta packages
[18:11] <siggjen> same here
[18:12] <siggjen> seems like lsb_release is included in ubuntu, but no lsb modules by default
[18:12] <RandyboY> When i set xubuntu to mount some windows shared folders it works fine. But after a while it "disconnects" and i have to mount it again... Why and what can i do to solve it so it "keeps the connection"?
[18:12] <RandyboY> Ive put the lines in fstab btw
[18:17] <siggjen> maybe you can try some ttl settings and TCP socket options
[18:18] <nanonyme> i think i've heard of such behaviour before but not of the solution
[18:18] <nanonyme> maybe windows file sharing has a timeout in itself?
[18:18] <RandyboY> not that i know of, but ofcourse, it might be
[18:32] <MacHaddock> I have a problem with my applications menu. I need to get a something off of there. wine created a extra submenu called other. Now wine is uninstalled but the other menu is still there. How do I remove it?
[18:42] <MacHaddock> really what I want to know Is how to get the menu wine created deleted from the autogenerated menu.
[18:46] <sugardrunk> there is some talk about it in the forums
[18:47] <MacHaddock> ok
[18:47] <sugardrunk> it is pretty complicated
[18:47] <MacHaddock> damn
[18:47] <sugardrunk> yea :)
[18:47] <sugardrunk> have the same problem
[18:47] <MacHaddock> damn it
[18:47] <MacHaddock> that is so irritating
[18:47] <MacHaddock> god damn wine
[18:47] <MacHaddock> :D
[18:48] <MacHaddock> so it's not that you just have to remove some residual catalog that wine left or something like taht
[18:48] <MacHaddock> i mean it's called autogenerated menu
[18:49] <MacHaddock> cool I just removed the help bit in the menu by hand... ohhhh 1337 h4x0r
[18:49] <MacHaddock> :)
[18:52] <LeAstrale> hi again ppl
[19:05] <MacHaddock> haha I really am 1337 h4 ha its to much work writing like that
[19:05] <MacHaddock> i got rid of the menu
[19:06] <MacHaddock> anyone want to know how I did it?
[19:06] <MacHaddock> come on people I'm trying to show off here. Give a dog a bone
[19:06] <MacHaddock> or is that throw
[19:06] <MacHaddock> ...
[19:07] <MacHaddock> well here is what I did anyway
[19:07] <MacHaddock> in a terminal I used locate to find all .desktop files
[19:07] <MacHaddock> like so:
[19:07] <MacHaddock> locate *.desktop
[19:07] <MacHaddock> i think
[19:08] <MacHaddock> and then I just looked for the once i didn't want anymore. In my case two 7-zip things
[19:08] <MacHaddock> and I just removed them
[19:08] <MacHaddock> with rm -r
[19:08] <MacHaddock> easy as pie
[19:08] <MacHaddock> :D
[19:09] <MacHaddock> well I'm off thanks for all the sparkling conversation ;-)
[19:44] <sugardrunk> :D
[19:50] <RandyboY> When i set xubuntu to mount some windows shared folders(in fstab) it works fine. But after a while it "disconnects" and i have to mount it again... Why and what can i do to solve it so it "keeps the connection"?
[20:04] <ron_o> RandyboY, how are you mounting? through a terminal?
[20:08] <ron_o> is it a USB drive, what that's unmounting automatically?
[20:10] <xor21> i'm thinking of intstalling xubuntu, but i have a question
[20:11] <xor21> will xfce still be faster than kde if i use some kde apps like amarok?
[20:11] <xor21> because that would require loading a kde daemon right?
[20:13] <ron_o> xor21, it should. However, once you install amorak then you will have to d/l all amorak's dependencies which can be *a lot* of stuff.
[20:14] <ron_o> if you stay away from XFCEs panel applets then it can really be light on an old CPU, but those applets are the hogs from what I remember when I had a slow computer.
[20:15] <ron_o> it just depends on what you do with your computer to make it faster. Your mileage will vary.
[20:15] <xor21> ok
[20:15] <xor21> i'm running kubuntu right now
[20:15] <xor21> and i like it
[20:16] <RandyboY> ron_o, through a terminal and ssh. using "mount -a". and its another windows machine with a shared folder.
[20:16] <xor21> but i used a computer at school the other day that had xfce
[20:16] <ron_o> I think when I used Xububuntu before (I just reinstalled it) and d/l k3b it was like 100MB of stuff.
[20:16] <xor21> and it was really fast feeling, and the computer was about the same specs as the one i have
[20:17] <ron_o> RandyboY, that's so weird. I wouldn't have a clue why it's unmounting.
[20:17] <ron_o> instead of 'mount -a' try just 'mount <device> <folder> Ok?
[20:17] <ron_o> see what that does to start and work from there.
[20:18] <ron_o> xor21, yah, xubuntu is really fast. On my core2duo it boots in about 20 seconds.
[20:18] <ron_o> and xubuntu's suspend works quite well too. I never got it to work on other distros.
[20:18] <RandyboY> ron_o, everything works from fstab? everything mounts and works fine... but after a while not using it, it suddenly isnt in the folders ive set it to mount in
[20:18] <ron_o> RandyboY, yah, I don't get it.
[20:19] <RandyboY> hrm
[20:19] <xor21> ron_o: I think I might go ahead and install it on another partition and just see how things work out with amarok and such
[20:19] <ron_o> actually, not getting suspend to work might not be correct. I just found out that I need to hit a button on me front of me computer. Before I just didn't know.
[20:20] <ron_o> xor21, that's best.
[20:21] <ron_o> or even try to just install xfce on kubuntu, however, the results might not be the same as going with xubuntu all the way.
[20:22] <xor21> yeah i think i'll do a clean install
[20:22] <ron_o> xfce should be easy to get rid of and it should deinstall cleanly. There's only like 20 or so apps altogether.
[20:22] <xor21> last year, i did that, installed kde after starting with normal ubuntu
[20:22] <ron_o> but if you need speed, stay away from all the panel applets.
[20:22] <xor21> and then when i tried to upgrade to gutsy, lots of things got messed up
[20:23] <ron_o> yah, true. No doubt. :)
[20:23] <ron_o> hence, all the *ubuntus out there. There *is* a reason afterall. :)
[20:23] <xor21> yeah
[20:24] <ron_o> I really love Gentoo because you don't have to worry about upgrades like that, but there's still part of it that really pisses me off. There *is* no perfect distro out there.
[20:26] <xor21> i always wonder about the distros that you have to pay for
[20:26] <xor21> like the commercial version of suse
[20:27] <xor21> i wonder if it's "perfect"
[20:27] <xor21> lol
[20:27] <ron_o> you mean being perfect?
[20:27] <ron_o> no way.
[20:27] <ron_o> it's just a bit more user friendly on some things.
[20:27] <ron_o> but 'easier' always entails being less powerful.
[20:28] <xor21> one thing that i don't like about linux, is how all the different distros have different package manegment
[20:29] <ron_o> xor21, there are too many, yes.. but that's competition.
[20:31] <ron_o> I don't mind that there were several before linux was popular, but I do mind people creating new ones, like puppy linux's .pup
[20:31] <ron_o> Puppy is great except for that fact.
[20:31] <Brains> I recently upgraded from Fiesty to Gutsy on an old laptop (P3-600 184MB) and have noticed a big drop in responsiveness.  Anybody got any hints on what to look at first?  It seems like pretty much anything that I launch takes up a lot of CPU, even just moving the mouse around causes Xorg to start chewing cycles and launching a terminal takes a while.
[20:32] <ron_o> and Gentoo's port system is awesome (if you have a fast system to compile) but it's really picky about having a perfect 'tree' and such, which can cause headaches galore if you don't watch out.
[20:32] <ron_o> Brains, you're going to have to run "top" or "htop" and see what's going on with your system.
[20:33] <ron_o> run in a terminal and see what's eating up your CPU.
[20:34] <Brains> ron_o:  First place I looked.  And as far as I can tell, everything seems to eat more CPU than I would have expected.  (Xorg is a big consumer but only when things are popping up on the screen.  Even top is taking ~12% on a quiet system.)
[20:35] <ron_o> wow... I wouldn't know. That sux..
[20:35] <ron_o> and Feisty was working pretty fast?
[20:35] <ron_o> your system is pretty slow but not that slow.
[20:35] <Brains> Yep, Feisty was very usable.
[20:36] <ron_o> turn off all your panel applets (if you have them)...
[20:36] <ron_o> damn, who know.
[20:36] <ron_o> knows*
[20:37] <Brains> The only one I had runnign was the cpugraph one...  And it snagged 80+% just to throw up the menu.  It is gone now but still behaving the same.
[20:38] <ron_o> that's so weird.
[20:38] <Brains> Yeah, this stuff is supposed to happen on my Gentoo box, but Xubuntu?  =:P
[20:38]  * Brains has nearly matching laptops, his gentoo one is 50MHz faster and he usually keeps the extra memory in it.
[20:39] <ron_o> with that computer you'd almost have to use fluxbox to really get it working fast, IMHO.
[20:41] <Brains> Heh, My wife uses it and doesn't do much more than some surfing and watching some tivo streams.  I thought it a touch slow but she didn't mind.  (The extra memory in the gentoo one (also running xfce, BTW) makes for a decent difference in performance and I can always use the C2D upstairs for grunt work to display on the laptop.)
[20:42] <ron_o> I wish I had a laptop, even one with your speed.
[20:42] <ron_o> I'd put fluxbox on it..
[20:42] <ron_o> there's even a fluxubuntu. :)
[20:43] <ron_o> but it's worthless to use on my core2duo.
[20:43] <ron_o> next, I've gotta get MythTV running.
[20:43] <Brains> Heh, you can buy one of these off ebay for less than $50...  I think I saw one going for $20 a little while back.  (Batteries are shot, of course, and the batteries are usually priced at somewhere around $100...)
[20:44] <ron_o> hehe, on the East Coast they were selling some old Apple laptops for $50 and there was a stampede to get to them.
[20:44] <ron_o> people getting trampled and all. :)
[20:44] <Brains> They aren't bad laptops by any means, I suppose.  Toshiba Portege 7200 series.
[20:45] <ron_o> I'd like to get one because it'd be nice to go to the beach and work on some project there rather than in front of this monstrosity.
[20:46] <Brains> Heh, this laptop wouldn't be good for that...  No life left in the battery and replacement batteries cost a couple multiples what the thing is worth.  'Course, lots of good deals on laptops these days...  sub-$500 for somethign that makes this look like a toy.
[20:46]  * Brains isn't sure about the daylight visibility of LCDs though.  This one is unreadable in remotely decent sun.
[20:47] <ron_o> I didn't think about that one.
[20:47] <ron_o> but who cares. It'd be better than the old portable 'word processors'. Remember them?
[20:48] <Brains> Heh, they were harder to steal...
[20:48]  * Brains thinks he almost has the wife onboard with getting a new laptop sometime this year.  "Should feel like a quantum jump..."
[20:49] <ron_o> hehe. :)
[20:49] <ron_o> as long as it isn't on a Credit Card then by all means.
[20:50] <Brains> Nah, this would be all or mostly cash.  It wouldn't be a large amount either.  Like I said, you can get a decent laptop for some pretty cheap prices.
[20:50] <ron_o> it's incredible now what you can get for a few bucks.
[20:50] <ron_o> this system was like $800-$1000 that I put together myself and it flies
[20:51] <Brains> Was AppArmor added in Gutsy?
[20:52] <ron_o> don't know what that is.
[20:54]  * Brains lets Novell explain: "Novell? AppArmor is designed to provide easy-to-use application security for both servers and workstations. Novell AppArmor is an access control system that lets you specify per program which files the program may read, write, and execute. AppArmor secures applications by enforcing good application behavior without relying on attack signatures, so it can prevent attacks even if they are exploiting previou
[20:57] <ron_o> sounds good, re: apparmor
[20:57] <nanonyme> i think it might be, yes
[21:00] <ron_o> for things like your browser, irc client and torrent app would be great.
[21:00] <ron_o> but once they break in, I'm not sure if it can stop them.
[21:38] <Brains> ron_o:  The idea isn't to stop them from breaking into an app, but from breaking *out* of the app.  In theory, you know what each app should be doing and can therefore forbid it from doing anything outside that scope.  SELinux does something along those lines too.
[21:39] <ron_o> I don't know enough about security to know what it does actually. I just assumed that once they got on your system they were on your system.
[21:39] <ron_o> but it sounds like a good policy. I'll look into it.
[21:42] <Brains> It can be a lot of hassle which is why it is being rolled out in both cases for server-type apps first.  (at least, the last time I looked that was what the plan was.)
[21:42] <ron_o> you mean hassle to deal with every program?
[21:43] <ron_o> you wouold only use it for a few apps, if that's what you do, IMO.
[21:44] <Brains> In theory, you'd specify the rules for every program possible to run (installed).  Next best would be every program you usually run.  The foot in the door plan is to do it for server apps 'cause they are easy to specify and are probably a good bet for the worst offenders, security wise.
[22:04] <ron_o> anyone else having problems with sound? I would have thought they'd have this fixed. Don't know if it's because one app has ahold of my sound card or something, but I ain't getting it using flash.
[22:05] <ron_o> and my master sound controller isn't working. I need to use the Center and LFE to control my left and right speakers, respectively.
[22:47] <vrkhans> how we can see what process are running
[22:48] <vrkhans> hello
[22:48] <vrkhans> can any one tell me how can i see what process are running
[22:49] <TheSheep> ps x
[22:49] <TheSheep> or use system->system monitor
[22:52] <vrkhans> i dont know there is something wrong with firefox , when i try to run it, it gives me an error that firefox is already running, but it is not responding what should i do
[22:52] <vrkhans> to fix it
[22:52] <vrkhans> i dont have any firefox window on
[22:56] <TheSheep> vrkhans: find it in the list of running processes and terminate
[22:56] <TheSheep> vrkhans: most likely some plugin coused it to hang
[23:05] <vrkhans> it wont open at all, just got a msg that it is still running.
[23:08] <Doogal> Hi, this is my first time in channel. I've installed xubuntu for the first time about a month or two back. The documentation said i might be able to get some good advice here?
[23:10] <Doogal> apparantly its a quiet night though?
[23:10] <TheSheep> !ask
[23:10] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:10] <TheSheep> vrkhans: open the system monitor, find firefox on the task list and kill it
[23:11] <Doogal> heh, fair enough. I'm looking for a text editor. Something completely lightweight and uncluttered. I miss having notepad from when i used Windows. Just something i can use as the equivalent of having a pad of scrap paper on my desk.
[23:12] <TheSheep> Doogal: accessories->mousepad
[23:13] <TheSheep> Doogal: but personally I use Zim for a scratchpad
[23:13] <Doogal> TheSheep: Thanks. Is there anything about Zim that makes it even better than mousepad?
[23:14] <TheSheep> Doogal: first of all, you don't need to hit 'save'
[23:14] <TheSheep> Doogal: it's saved as soon as you type it
[23:15] <Doogal> I've just googled it, got some information. Looks *very* good. Thanks for the recommend.
[23:15] <TheSheep> Doogal: second, it has simple text formating using markup like ==heading== and *bold*
[23:23] <Doogal> Okay, now i suppose i'll need advice on Installing Zim. Up till now i've only used the synaptic package manager, and installed programs that were already on the list provided.
[23:25] <TheSheep> !info zim
[23:25] <ubotu> zim (source: zim): a desktop wiki. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.19-1 (gutsy), package size 272 kB, installed size 976 kB
[23:25] <TheSheep> Doogal: just enable the 'universe' repository
[23:25] <TheSheep> !repos
[23:25] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[23:28] <Doogal> thanks
[23:55] <LeAstrale> hi ppl