[00:03] Is it still missing? [00:05] * dasKreech dubs Jucato stuffPimper! [00:36] cheguevara: did you install the qt-gtk app from kde-apps to get the nicer looking firefox? [00:37] yep nixternal [00:37] gtk-kde4 that is [00:38] OK, I am going to grab it and package it then, unless you already have it packaged [00:39] no just been playing around with it [00:39] latest version is quiet good [00:39] gonna need 2 packages though [00:39] for the theme and the app [00:40] ahh, there is a theme too? does it all come in the "source code" package? or do you have to do 2 downloads? [00:40] hrmm [00:40] 2 downloads [00:40] can't even package it if I wanted...don't feel like dealing with dev bs he created [00:41] Qt4 GTK Style I take it [00:41] hrmm, so you use that theme and not the Oxygen them then I take it? [00:42] yeah i believe using that theme it will use whatever kde 4 theme you have set [00:42] gotcha [00:43] latest version allows installation to /usr/share/themes as opposed to ~/.themes [00:44] needs gtk deps as well though :P [00:49] * dasKreech bounces on nixternal [00:50] this app is very poorly done [00:51] I move the qt4 directory to where it should, but his silly apps doesn't see it [00:55] dasKreech: :P [00:55] hi nixternal [00:55] stuffPimper!! :) [00:55] wasabi Jucato [00:55] * dasKreech hugs Jucato [00:55] cheguevara: wth am I doing wrong here? [00:55] Adobe wan kenboi [00:55] http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/10643/1201271267/Obi.jpg [00:55] I installed the gtk crap as needed, moved the qt4/ directory to /usr/share/themes [00:55] heh... my online handle used to be obijuan :) [00:56] Ha ha ha ha [00:56] I love it [00:56] heh :) [00:57] * Jucato wonders wth dholbach has on his wall... [01:00] got it, what a pita though [01:00] time to write that one up [01:00] :) [01:00] that's why you were silent :) [01:00] wth [01:00] it worked one time [01:00] what a pos [01:00] and now it works again [01:00] weird [01:01] lovely :) [01:02] I need to write a pos [01:03] bah, that gtk-qt4 thing is garbage [01:03] works 50% of the time with FF3, doesn't work with Gimp [01:34] Hobbsee!! :0 [01:34] Hobb *cough* see!!!! [01:35] Jucato: no contentless ping for you :) [01:35] :P [01:36] KDE 4.2 is going to rock :) [01:36] KDE 4.x is going to rock [01:37] oh, and plasma team is going to backport new stuff from 4.x to 4.0.x (although we seem to have done that already...) [01:37] I hope we have a media blowout with 4.2 :) [01:38] Riddell: You are on the KDE e.V. marketing ? [01:40] greetings [01:40] * dasKreech bows [01:42] :) [01:43] * Jucato curtsies [01:43] er... that's not right... [01:43] Looks about right [01:44] need more dip in the hip though [01:44] * Jucato whacks dasKreech [01:44] heehee :) [01:44] What app are you going to work on Jucato ? [01:44] * Jucato is still intrigued by dholbach's picture... [01:44] dasKreech: no idea yet... :D [01:45] I'm still trying to get accepted into school... that's my #1 focus this week (deadline's on the 29th) [01:48] I have some top secret projects in mind though... top secret because I don't even know them yet myself :) [01:48] evening! [01:49] Like nixternal :) [01:52] nixternal, works all the time for me with ff3 [01:53] nixternal, does it work fine in /usr/share/themes 'cuase i havent actually tried it === rouzic is now known as rouzic_ausente [03:18] cheguevara: I have it in /usr/share/themes and it seems to work only with FF and nothing else Gtk [03:20] nixternal: are you talking about gtk-kde4? [03:21] and good evening :) [03:22] ya [03:28] Is it a safe assumption that we didn't upload a kdebase 3.5.9 that would FTBFS on purpose and it'd be a good thing if I can fix it? [03:28] FTBFS? [03:29] failed to build from source [03:29] Yes. (Failed To Build From Source in case you were asking what the acronym was) [03:29] or like i like to call them [03:29] failed to build for Steve [03:29] :P [03:29] ah.. thanks :) [03:30] ScottK: would you mind telling me if i did this FF exception correctly? [03:30] Go ahead [03:30] mm [03:30] finding [03:30] bug 192812 [03:30] Launchpad bug 192812 in ktorrent-kde4 "[FF exception] New upstream release ktorrent-kde4 3.0.0 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192812 [03:31] vorian: Just from the title of the bug, I'm guessing it's OK, but I'd like to know what jdong thinks about it. [03:32] thanks ScottK [03:32] vorian: Looks good. Get a upcheck from jdong and I'll vote for it. [03:32] schweet [03:33] :) [03:33] thanks for taking a peek at it [03:33] * ryanakca growls at Drupal [03:34] when is archive.ubuntu.com going to start working again? [03:36] nixternal: its working here... [03:36] Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release.gpg [03:36] Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Translation-en_CA [03:36] etc, etc, etc? [03:37] still not working here...isn't picking up any of the updates, it just flies through the sudo apt-get update process [03:37] this also happens for a couple of others as well [03:37] hmm... dunno :S [03:37] nixternal: you ever worked with Drupal before? [03:38] yes [03:38] work with it every day pretty much [03:39] saweet, any idea why I get http://blog.ryanak.ca/~ryan/ickydrupal.png ? [03:39] those ugly yellow rectangles, which block my view to the block configuration panel? [03:39] umm...trying to remember [03:39] it is definitely theme related I believe [03:40] * ryanakca nods and wonders how he broke his theme [04:42] sorry ScottK, persia had set it to incomplete. I was unsure if I should have to changed it to new. [04:42] :) [04:43] vorian: No problem. New/Incomplete is where it should stay until it's approved. Then a motu-release member will set it to confirmed. That's your clue to proceed. [04:43] sweet [04:43] thanks for the ack [04:44] (s) [04:44] No problem. Thanks for contributing. [05:27] vorian: You're approved. [05:28] Riddell: kdebase FTBFS because libgraphviz4 is sitting in Universe somehow. I think if you promote it an retry the build all will be well. [05:34] yummy === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:16] hi [09:57] afternoon all [10:05] Hi [10:42] hi all, I would like to use something like VTE with (py) QT4 without depending on gtk libraries, what do you suggest I use? [10:45] oh, and by VTE I mean a virtual terminal which I can embed in my application so as to run small scripts in it [10:46] tseliot: you need to wait for konsole to regain its embedded kpart [10:48] Riddel: ok, thanks [11:36] Riddell: How's Alpha 5 shaping up? [11:37] davmor2: can't say i've begun looking at it [11:37] davmor2: but if you want to try one of today's daily's and let us know if it seems sane that would be great [11:38] Well there's been no updates for a while so I wondered if it was safe to test or whether there would be a boat load of updates latter [11:40] davmor2: no updates to what? [11:41] hmm, nothing is entering the archive [11:41] as in there have been no daily updates what so ever [11:47] mm, not sure then, probably need to ask slangasek what his plans are, but he's probably asleep just now [11:48] Riddell: it's okay cjwatson has explained about the breakage in the mirroring system that they need to fix [11:49] that doesn't sound so bad then [11:49] I might leave it a bit and see how many updates come through [11:49] hi kids, I'm back === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [12:38] Riddell: kdeartwork fails with "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/m6502.desktop': No such file or directory" [12:38] and kdeutild failed too http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12052381/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.kdeutils_4%3A3.5.9-0ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [12:38] *kdeutils [12:38] doing better than hardy then :) [12:38] oh meh, I forgot to fix that kdeutils issue [12:39] kdeartwork will just be xscreensaver, every time it adds/removes a screensaver you also need to add/remove the .desktop file in kscreensaver [12:51] Riddell: does a bugfix release of kdesudo require FFe ? I suspect no [12:51] Riddell: I'm about to upload 2.4 version, closes bug 187053 [12:51] Launchpad bug 187053 in kdesudo "Escaped quoting problem with kdesudo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187053 [12:51] Riddell: may you approve this one ? [12:59] Tonio_: no [12:59] Tonio_: no it doesn't require FFe, it's a bug fix [12:59] Riddell: well I uploaded 2.3 2 days ago and it looks still locked in the queue... [12:59] Riddell: btw there is a bug in that release, that's the reason of 2.4 upoload [13:00] 2.3 is fine, it's the archive which is broken [13:01] Riddell: oki [13:01] Riddell: well it isn't fine as it segfaults, hehe :) [13:01] 2.4 was uploaded, I'll add the changes to kdesudo-kde4 [13:02] Riddell: my plan for today is get those xdg dirs in kde dialogs fixed [13:02] upper case and so on [13:15] Riddell: Did you see my note about libgraphviz4 being in Universe breaking the kdebase 3.5.9 build? [13:16] ScottK: it's in main now [13:16] Riddell: Cool. Will you ask after a buildd admin to retry the build or would you like for me to? [13:17] ScottK: I've asked [13:17] OK. Thanks. I'll leave it be then. [15:51] Hi folks, are there any plans to provide a packages for KDE 3.5.9 in Gutsy? [15:51] yes [15:53] Riddell: Were will they appear? ppa or backports? [15:53] ^^where [16:03] whichever works [16:03] ask stdin if he needs testing done [16:04] Riddell: Is there a time line to have KDE4 in main? [16:09] DaSkreech: nope [16:10] stuffPimp! :) [16:14] I need some help sorting out the K menu ... what is the Debian folder doing there, how do things get in there and why do Science category stuff end up in "Edutainment" ?? [16:16] debian folder is made by "menu" package as I remember [16:16] things get in there by adding xdg .desktop files to /usr/share/applications/ [16:16] mok0 is an KDE oriented just about to be a MOTU developer [16:17] Riddell: how do things get into the normal K desktop (Ubuntu) then? [16:18] science is in edutainment because that's what /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu tells it to do [16:18] /usr/share/applications/ is the normal applications menu [16:18] debian's one has files in /usr/share/menu [16:18] Riddell: I've put the entry in /usr/share/applications [16:18] good [16:19] Riddell: Ah, so the /usr/share/menu ones come from the menu packagE? [16:20] they come from the individual packages but the "menu" package is what puts them into the xdg applications menu [16:20] you can ignore /usr/share/menu for ubuntu, we don't use it [16:20] Riddell: I am just wondering how it ends up there... it seems crippled [16:21] Riddell: dh_installmenu? [16:22] mok0: I think that's it, but the bigger question is how did Debian menu get turned on in your system. [16:22] ScottK: good question :-) [16:23] It's normal for it to have packages registered, but not be displayed. [16:23] The Debian entry has section Apps/Math which is frowned upon by lintian [16:23] ... and it has no icon [16:24] menu-xdg maybe [16:24] has anyone seenthis app yet? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KGRUBEditor?content=75442 [16:25] nosrednaekim: yes. me :) its creator [16:26] Artemis_Fowl » looks nice :) does it have system settings integration? [16:26] nosrednaekim: nope. btw apachelogger was packaging QGRUBEditor, its predecessor [16:27] What makes this K ? [16:27] which was what I was wondering.... if there was a package. [16:27] there isnt yet [16:27] i mean for KGRUBEditor [16:27] got bound to KDE [16:28] but I think apachelogger will provide me one when it will be time [16:28] Riddell: do you think I get an exception for kgrubeditor? [16:28] it's a new package after all [16:28] Riddell: where can I read up on all this desktop business? I find it a tad confusing [16:30] apachelogger: I'd say so [16:30] mok0: what's actually the problem? [16:30] stupid bug.... [16:30] Riddell: ok, I'll try then :) [16:30] Riddell: I am confused by the various different menu systems, how the .desktop entry gets mangled etc [16:30] apachelogger: please don't package v0.5b [16:31] apachelogger: I am currently fixing some bugs [16:31] Artemis_Fowl: but? [16:31] apachelogger: v0.5 will be ready by tomorrow [16:31] mok0: freedesktop.org I think [16:31] apachelogger: can you w8 or not? [16:32] mok0: for desktop entries, you probably want http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ or http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ [16:32] ryanakca: thanks [16:32] (last one for menu systems) [16:32] Artemis_Fowl: I will just start off with 0.5b and incorporate changes in 0.5 if necessary, so we can upload ASAP [16:32] apachelogger: no problem then [16:34] btw KGRUBEditor needs documentation. Is there any KDEDocumentation team or so or should I write it by myself??? [16:35] Artemis_Fowl » any docs team is so overloaded these days that it would probably be better if you wrote it (if you have time) [16:35] nosrednaekim: I don't have :) so no documentation for the time being [16:36] I'd write it if I knew how. all I can write is some plain text :) [16:36] anyway the Assistants are self-explanatory. Mini mum requirement is understanding English [16:37] nosrednaekim: see this: http://l10n.kde.org/docs/doc-primer/intro.html. I discovered this trying to find out how to write documentation [16:39] The stupid bug was fixed :) [16:41] I've uploaded a new version of extremetuxracer in REVU but it appears in the "New packages" table instead of the "Updated packages" one, why? [16:42] Riddell: Do you have 2 min? [16:42] oops, I wanted to post that in #ubuntu-motu, sorry === kblizzzek is now known as blizzzek [17:18] emu: so, you want to test some 3.5.9 packages then? [17:31] stdin: miu [17:32] miu? [17:36] mau mourrrrr [17:36] * Tm_T hides [17:36] stdin: what's with .9 packages? [17:37] try them out :) (if you have gutsy) [17:37] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-kde-3.5.9/ubuntu gutsy main [17:37] roger sir [17:38] Yes? [17:38] kdeutils and kdeartwork is borked atm, so I know those don't work [17:38] DaSkreech: shush, you kid [17:38] where are the .9 for hardy? [17:39] broken for a while [17:39] stdin: I'm also building Qt atm so might take a moment [17:39] nice :) [17:40] stdin: also, what exactly I should try? [17:40] just make sure the packages install and work generally [17:40] heh [17:40] and don't break anything :) [17:40] anything else is "not my fault" (TM) [17:41] Is it madness to try them on hardy? ;) [17:41] you can try, but you'd fail [17:42] most are still building and I'm guessing there'll be may broken packages atm [17:42] heh [17:44] hey guys [17:44] hi [17:47] hi jabra [17:47] evening jabra, apache|mobile_ [17:49] I researching trying to make a minmal kde base livecd, I am curious knows how any resources that may help. I have checked and read the ubuntu and kubuntu wikis already. [17:49] curious if anyone knows ... [17:49] sorry tired just got back from shmoocon [17:50] i'm also debating try to use the debian livecd project and knoppix [17:51] jabra: there's various projects to make live CDs from ubuntu CDs, google for remaster ubuntu [17:51] I use unidistro to create them from scratch, although it's not very well documented [17:52] hmm [17:52] yea i'm trying to start with a kde based minmal livecd and add stuff as I need [17:52] two directions to go: one from scratch and the other to strip shit out [17:53] Riddell: minor aesthetic question. Do I keep the bar under the topNav links, or remove it? === lex79 is now known as lex79|Away [18:04] ryanakca: I quite like the bar [18:04] Riddell: okies, I'll leave it :) [18:23] Should I use Kabel Book or Bistream Vera Sans Bold in our images containing text (e.g. Announcement header, etc for website)? http://kde-artists.org/node/123 [18:26] not kabel [18:26] afternoon [18:26] DejaVu is Vera++ [18:26] afternoon jjesse [18:27] hello nosrednaekim [18:27] Riddell: so, Bitstream? [18:27] hey jjesse [18:27] hello ryanakca [18:27] i hate the flu [18:27] ryanakca: sounds good [18:27] ryanakca: DejaVu is Bitstream with support for more unicode characters [18:28] and is included everywhere [18:28] smarter: hmm.. ok. Thanks [18:33] mmh, big update today [18:35] oh, that must mean the archive is functioning again [18:36] yep [18:36] smarter: fancy testing 3.5.9 in hardy? [18:37] Riddell: i'm just installing it [18:37] (will test it from 4.0 tho) [18:38] archive.ubuntu seems to work, but not mirrors [18:40] * buz needs a break from hacking latex,testing kde 3.5.9 will be just perfect :P [18:43] uhm thats bad [18:44] kde4 immediately crashed when i tried to login after installing kde 3.5.9 [18:45] but on the plus side, kde 3.5.9 comes up lightning quick [18:46] Riddell: of course ;) [18:46] konqueror incl. flash works [18:46] luks works beautifully [18:46] amarok plays mp3 [18:47] kmail finally filters mail again [18:48] Riddell: any specific things you want tested? [18:48] smplayer stopped working [18:48] dumps core [18:59] Riddell: any name of a guy that would be interested for a packaging employement ? [18:59] Riddell: my copany is looking for a full time packager/sysadmin [18:59] working home possible, ideally based in europe... === smarter_ is now known as smarter [19:17] Tonio_: I don't know of anyone but you could ask on the kubuntu-devel and motu lists [19:17] hi [19:17] since updating to kde 3.5.9 i get this when trying to start a kde4 session http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4726/ [19:17] hi Aikurn [19:17] Riddell: yep [19:18] (on the plus side, kde3.5.9 seems to work like a charm) [19:18] Aikurn: install kdebase-bin-kde4 ? [19:19] hmm now i am too scared to update to 3.5.9 [19:19] * Tm_T isn't [19:19] cheguevara: depends if you want to use kde4 :P [19:20] I'm also running KDE4.1 series ;) [19:20] its all i use :P [19:20] (kde4 apps from kde3 also dont work) [19:20] yeah same here [19:20] anyone else has an updated system and can check [19:20] buz: install kdebase-bin-kde4 ? [19:20] kde4 apps don't word under 3.5.9 here too [19:21] Riddell: ii kdebase-bin-kde4 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu2 core binaries for the KDE 4 base module [19:21] "Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before you do anything that requires it! Examples of this are config objects, standard directories or translations." [19:21] smarter: exactly [19:21] *closes update manager* [19:22] noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [19:22] lyx does no longer work [19:22] Riddell: installed [19:22] http://www.nabble.com/lyx-crash-when-loading-eps-files-td15063140.html [19:22] here u go :P [19:22] the right-click flash menu still has funny colors [19:23] qt4 is somehow broken [19:23] because lyx is only a qt app, not a kde one [19:23] but it uses kde libs [19:23] according to the above post [19:23] qtconfig-qt4 display the same kcomponentdata error [19:24] there's no qt update though [19:24] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4727/ does not look like it uses kde to me [19:25] the app looks decidedly qtish as well [19:25] boy this sucks [19:25] (thou shalt not use alpha software when working on masters thesis, i guess) [19:25] hih [19:26] use Kile :) [19:26] i hate latex syntax [19:26] it's fugly [19:26] lets see what else is in the update list [19:26] can you paste the update to pastebin? [19:28] last update to qt4 was on 14th [19:28] http://pastebin.ca/908822 [19:28] but that cant be the culprit [19:28] thats what i got now of a functioning system [19:28] why was restricted-manager removed, anyawy? [19:28] buz: it has been replaced by jockey [19:29] i dont think i got jockey here [19:29] oh i do [19:29] kubuntu-default-settings may be? [19:30] since some kde4 bits were added there [19:30] or kubuntu-kde4-desktop [19:30] thats a meta package i think [19:30] true [19:30] though that still doesnt explain why qt only apps fail [19:32] * buz sets up a gutsy vbox [19:32] any ideas Riddell [19:32] buz: use vim [19:32] i want gui [19:32] i have used kile in the past and i do KNOW latex [19:32] its just way more comfortable in lyx :P [19:34] smarter and buz so all qt4 progs fail? [19:34] smplayer does so too [19:34] cheguevara: yes [19:34] know any more qt4 ones? [19:34] qtconfig-qt4 [19:35] hplip [19:35] jockey-kde [19:37] Gutsy Froze again :( [19:37] yep jockey dumps core [19:37] thing is KComonentData is a kde function so it must be kde related [19:37] but why do qt4 apps even bother with kde [19:38] so the question here is [19:38] does anyone have gnome :P [19:38] i could install it [19:38] i will reinstall this box when hardy is released anyhow [19:38] Hi hunger [19:39] same here, but i am low on disk space [19:39] got 4G left [19:39] DaSkreech: ho. [19:39] needs 1G according to aptitude [19:39] hunger: how goes? seems you have a decent set of submissions for Kwallet [19:39] tho archive.ubuntu is not the fastest of all mirrors :P [19:39] or may be xfce even [19:40] anything DE thats not kde :P [19:40] Luna? [19:41] xubuntu-desktop is around 500 mb [19:41] DaSkreech: Yeap, George does wonders.-) [19:42] hunger: Have you thought of outlining JJs? [19:42] http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/darwin_awards_nominee.jpg :P [19:42] i'm installing it [19:42] as well as gutsy :P [19:42] nice :) [19:42] DaSkreech: JJs? [19:42]