[00:03] <txwikinger> Is it still missing?
[00:05]  * dasKreech dubs Jucato stuffPimper!
[00:36] <nixternal> cheguevara: did you install the qt-gtk app from kde-apps to get the nicer looking firefox?
[00:37] <cheguevara> yep nixternal
[00:37] <cheguevara> gtk-kde4 that is
[00:38] <nixternal> OK, I am going to grab it and package it then, unless you already have it packaged
[00:39] <cheguevara> no just been playing around with it
[00:39] <cheguevara> latest version is quiet good
[00:39] <cheguevara> gonna need 2 packages though
[00:39] <cheguevara> for the theme and the app
[00:40] <nixternal> ahh, there is a theme too? does it all come in the "source code" package? or do you have to do 2 downloads?
[00:40] <nixternal> hrmm
[00:40] <cheguevara> 2 downloads
[00:40] <nixternal> can't even package it if I wanted...don't feel like dealing with dev bs he created
[00:41] <nixternal> Qt4 GTK Style I take it
[00:41] <nixternal> hrmm, so you use that theme and not the Oxygen them then I take it?
[00:42] <cheguevara> yeah i believe using that theme it will use whatever kde 4 theme you have set
[00:42] <nixternal> gotcha
[00:43] <cheguevara> latest version allows installation to /usr/share/themes as opposed to ~/.themes
[00:44] <cheguevara> needs gtk deps as well though :P
[00:49]  * dasKreech bounces on nixternal
[00:50] <nixternal> this app is very poorly done
[00:51] <nixternal> I move the qt4 directory to where it should, but his silly apps doesn't see it
[00:55] <Jucato> dasKreech: :P
[00:55] <Jucato> hi nixternal
[00:55] <dasKreech> stuffPimper!! :)
[00:55] <nixternal> wasabi Jucato
[00:55]  * dasKreech hugs Jucato
[00:55] <nixternal> cheguevara: wth am I doing wrong here?
[00:55] <dasKreech> Adobe wan kenboi
[00:55] <dasKreech> http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/10643/1201271267/Obi.jpg
[00:55] <nixternal> I installed the gtk crap as needed, moved the qt4/ directory to /usr/share/themes
[00:55] <Jucato> heh... my online handle used to be obijuan :)
[00:56] <dasKreech> Ha ha ha ha
[00:56] <dasKreech> I love it
[00:56] <Jucato> heh :)
[00:57]  * Jucato wonders wth dholbach has on his wall...
[01:00] <nixternal> got it, what a pita though
[01:00] <nixternal> time to write that one up
[01:00] <Jucato> :)
[01:00] <Jucato> that's why you were silent :)
[01:00] <nixternal> wth
[01:00] <nixternal> it worked one time
[01:00] <nixternal> what a pos
[01:00] <nixternal> and now it works again
[01:00] <nixternal> weird
[01:01] <Jucato> lovely :)
[01:02] <dasKreech> I need to write a pos
[01:03] <nixternal> bah, that gtk-qt4 thing is garbage
[01:03] <nixternal> works 50% of the time with FF3, doesn't work with Gimp
[01:34] <dasKreech> Hobbsee!! :0
[01:34] <Jucato> Hobb *cough* see!!!!
[01:35] <dasKreech> Jucato: no contentless ping for you :)
[01:35] <Jucato> :P
[01:36] <dasKreech> KDE 4.2 is going to rock :)
[01:36] <Jucato> KDE 4.x is going to rock
[01:37] <Jucato> oh, and plasma team is going to backport new stuff from 4.x to 4.0.x (although we seem to have done that already...)
[01:37] <dasKreech> I hope we have a media blowout with 4.2 :)
[01:38] <dasKreech> Riddell: You are on the KDE e.V. marketing ?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> greetings
[01:40]  * dasKreech bows
[01:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:43]  * Jucato curtsies
[01:43] <Jucato> er... that's not right...
[01:43] <dasKreech> Looks about right
[01:44] <dasKreech> need more dip in the hip though
[01:44]  * Jucato whacks dasKreech
[01:44] <dasKreech> heehee :)
[01:44] <dasKreech> What app are you going to work on Jucato ?
[01:44]  * Jucato is still intrigued by dholbach's picture...
[01:44] <Jucato> dasKreech: no idea yet... :D
[01:45] <Jucato> I'm still trying to get accepted into school... that's my #1 focus this week (deadline's on the 29th)
[01:48] <Jucato> I have some top secret projects in mind though... top secret because I don't even know them yet myself :)
[01:48] <vorian> evening!
[01:49] <dasKreech> Like nixternal  :)
[01:52] <cheguevara> nixternal, works all the time for me with ff3
[01:53] <cheguevara> nixternal, does it work fine in /usr/share/themes 'cuase i havent actually tried it
[03:18] <nixternal> cheguevara: I have it in /usr/share/themes and it seems to work only with FF and nothing else Gtk
[03:20] <vorian> nixternal: are you talking about gtk-kde4?
[03:21] <vorian> and good evening :)
[03:22] <nixternal> ya
[03:28] <ScottK> Is it a safe assumption that we didn't upload a kdebase 3.5.9 that would FTBFS on purpose and it'd be a good thing if I can fix it?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> FTBFS?
[03:29] <vorian> failed to build from source
[03:29] <ScottK> Yes.  (Failed To Build From Source in case you were asking what the acronym was)
[03:29] <vorian> or like i like to call them
[03:29] <vorian> failed to build for Steve
[03:29] <vorian> :P
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> ah.. thanks :)
[03:30] <vorian> ScottK: would you mind telling me if i did this FF exception correctly?
[03:30] <ScottK> Go ahead
[03:30] <vorian> mm
[03:30] <vorian> finding
[03:30] <vorian> bug 192812
[03:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192812 in ktorrent-kde4 "[FF exception] New upstream release ktorrent-kde4 3.0.0 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192812
[03:31] <ScottK> vorian: Just from the title of the bug, I'm guessing it's OK, but I'd like to know what jdong thinks about it.
[03:32] <vorian> thanks ScottK
[03:32] <ScottK> vorian: Looks good.  Get a upcheck from jdong and I'll vote for it.
[03:32] <vorian> schweet
[03:33] <vorian> :)
[03:33] <vorian> thanks for taking a peek at it
[03:33]  * ryanakca growls at Drupal
[03:34] <nixternal> when is archive.ubuntu.com going to start working again?
[03:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: its working here...
[03:36] <ryanakca> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release.gpg
[03:36] <ryanakca> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/main Translation-en_CA
[03:36] <ryanakca> etc, etc, etc?
[03:37] <nixternal> still not working here...isn't picking up any of the updates, it just flies through the sudo apt-get update process
[03:37] <nixternal> this also happens for a couple of others as well
[03:37] <ryanakca> hmm... dunno :S
[03:37] <ryanakca> nixternal: you ever worked with Drupal before?
[03:38] <nixternal> yes
[03:38] <nixternal> work with it every day pretty much
[03:39] <ryanakca> saweet, any idea why I get http://blog.ryanak.ca/~ryan/ickydrupal.png ?
[03:39] <ryanakca> those ugly yellow rectangles, which block my view to the block configuration panel?
[03:39] <nixternal> umm...trying to remember
[03:39] <nixternal> it is definitely theme related I believe
[03:40]  * ryanakca nods and wonders how he broke his theme
[04:42] <vorian> sorry ScottK, persia had set it to incomplete.  I was unsure if I should have to changed it to new.
[04:42] <vorian> :)
[04:43] <ScottK> vorian: No problem.  New/Incomplete is where it should stay until it's approved.  Then a motu-release member will set it to confirmed.  That's your clue to proceed.
[04:43] <vorian> sweet
[04:43] <vorian> thanks for the ack
[04:44] <vorian> (s)
[04:44] <ScottK> No problem.  Thanks for contributing.
[05:27] <ScottK> vorian: You're approved.
[05:28] <ScottK> Riddell: kdebase FTBFS because libgraphviz4 is sitting in Universe somehow.  I think if you promote it an retry the build all will be well.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> yummy
[09:16] <blizzzek> hi
[09:57] <jpatrick> afternoon all
[10:05] <GNUton> Hi
[10:42] <tseliot> hi all, I would like to use something like VTE with (py) QT4 without depending on gtk libraries, what do you suggest I use?
[10:45] <tseliot> oh, and by VTE I mean a virtual terminal which I can embed in my application so as to run small scripts in it
[10:46] <Riddell> tseliot: you need to wait for konsole to regain its embedded kpart
[10:48] <tseliot> Riddel: ok, thanks
[11:36] <davmor2> Riddell: How's Alpha 5 shaping up?
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: can't say i've begun looking at it
[11:37] <Riddell> davmor2: but if you want to try one of today's daily's and let us know if it seems sane that would be great
[11:38] <davmor2> Well there's been no updates for a while so I wondered if it was safe to test or whether there would be a boat load of updates latter
[11:40] <Riddell> davmor2: no updates to what?
[11:41] <Riddell> hmm, nothing is entering the archive
[11:41] <davmor2> as in there have been no daily updates what so ever
[11:47] <Riddell> mm, not sure then, probably need to ask slangasek what his plans are, but he's probably asleep just now
[11:48] <davmor2> Riddell: it's okay cjwatson has explained about the breakage in the mirroring system that they need to fix
[11:49] <Riddell> that doesn't sound so bad then
[11:49] <davmor2> I might leave it a bit and see how many updates come through
[11:49] <Tm_T> hi kids, I'm back
[12:38] <stdin> Riddell: kdeartwork fails with "cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/applnk/System/ScreenSavers/m6502.desktop': No such file or directory"
[12:38] <stdin> and kdeutild failed too http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12052381/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.kdeutils_4%3A3.5.9-0ubuntu1%7Egutsy1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:38] <stdin> *kdeutils
[12:38] <Riddell> doing better than hardy then :)
[12:38] <Riddell> oh meh, I forgot to fix that kdeutils issue
[12:39] <Riddell> kdeartwork will just be xscreensaver, every time it adds/removes a screensaver you also need to add/remove the .desktop file in kscreensaver
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: does a bugfix release of kdesudo require FFe ? I suspect no
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm about to upload 2.4 version, closes bug 187053
[12:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187053 in kdesudo "Escaped quoting problem with kdesudo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187053
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: may you approve this one ?
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[12:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: no it doesn't require FFe, it's a bug fix
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I uploaded 2.3 2 days ago and it looks still locked in the queue...
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw there is a bug in that release, that's the reason of 2.4 upoload
[13:00] <Riddell> 2.3 is fine, it's the archive which is broken
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it isn't fine as it segfaults, hehe :)
[13:01] <Tonio_> 2.4 was uploaded, I'll add the changes to kdesudo-kde4
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: my plan for today is get those xdg dirs in kde dialogs fixed
[13:02] <Tonio_> upper case and so on
[13:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my note about libgraphviz4 being in Universe breaking the kdebase 3.5.9 build?
[13:16] <Riddell> ScottK: it's in main now
[13:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Will you ask after a buildd admin to retry the build or would you like for me to?
[13:17] <Riddell> ScottK: I've asked
[13:17] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  I'll leave it be then.
[15:51] <emu> Hi folks, are there any plans to provide a packages for KDE 3.5.9 in Gutsy?
[15:51] <Riddell> yes
[15:53] <emu> Riddell: Were will they appear? ppa or backports?
[15:53] <emu> ^^where
[16:03] <Riddell> whichever works
[16:03] <Riddell> ask stdin if he needs testing done
[16:04] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Is there a time line to have KDE4 in main?
[16:09] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nope
[16:10] <DaSkreech> stuffPimp! :)
[16:14] <mok0> I need some help sorting out the K menu ... what is the Debian folder doing there, how do things get in there and why do Science category stuff end up in "Edutainment" ??
[16:16] <Riddell> debian folder is made by "menu" package as I remember
[16:16] <Riddell> things get in there by adding xdg .desktop files to /usr/share/applications/
[16:16] <ScottK> mok0 is an KDE oriented just about to be a MOTU developer
[16:17] <mok0> Riddell: how do things get into the normal K desktop (Ubuntu) then?
[16:18] <Riddell> science is in edutainment because that's what /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu tells it to do
[16:18] <Riddell> /usr/share/applications/ is the normal applications menu
[16:18] <Riddell> debian's one has files in /usr/share/menu
[16:18] <mok0> Riddell: I've put the entry in /usr/share/applications
[16:18] <Riddell> good
[16:19] <mok0> Riddell: Ah, so the /usr/share/menu ones come from the menu packagE?
[16:20] <Riddell> they come from the individual packages but the "menu" package is what puts them into the xdg applications menu
[16:20] <Riddell> you can ignore /usr/share/menu for ubuntu, we don't use it
[16:20] <mok0> Riddell: I am just wondering how it ends up there... it seems crippled
[16:21] <mok0> Riddell: dh_installmenu?
[16:22] <ScottK> mok0: I think that's it, but the bigger question is how did Debian menu get turned on in your system.
[16:22] <mok0> ScottK: good question :-)
[16:23] <ScottK> It's normal for it to have packages registered, but not be displayed.
[16:23] <mok0> The Debian entry has section Apps/Math which is frowned upon by lintian
[16:23] <mok0> ... and it has no icon
[16:24] <Riddell> menu-xdg maybe
[16:24] <nosrednaekim> has anyone seenthis app yet? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KGRUBEditor?content=75442
[16:25] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: yes. me :) its creator
[16:26] <nosrednaekim> Artemis_Fowl » looks nice :) does it have system settings integration?
[16:26] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: nope. btw apachelogger was packaging QGRUBEditor, its predecessor
[16:27] <DaSkreech> What makes this K ?
[16:27] <nosrednaekim> which was what I was wondering.... if there was a package.
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> there isnt yet
[16:27] <Artemis_Fowl> i mean for KGRUBEditor
[16:27] <apachelogger> got bound to KDE
[16:28] <Artemis_Fowl> but I think apachelogger will provide me one when it will be time
[16:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you think I get an exception for kgrubeditor?
[16:28] <apachelogger> it's a new package after all
[16:28] <mok0> Riddell: where can I read up on all this desktop business? I find it a tad confusing
[16:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd say so
[16:30] <Riddell> mok0: what's actually the problem?
[16:30] <Artemis_Fowl> stupid bug....
[16:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok, I'll try then :)
[16:30] <mok0> Riddell: I am confused by the various different menu systems, how the .desktop entry gets mangled etc
[16:30] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: please don't package v0.5b
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: I am currently fixing some bugs
[16:31] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: but?
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: v0.5 will be ready by tomorrow
[16:31] <DaSkreech> mok0: freedesktop.org I think
[16:31] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: can you w8 or not?
[16:32] <ryanakca> mok0: for desktop entries, you probably want http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ or http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
[16:32] <mok0> ryanakca: thanks
[16:32] <ryanakca> (last one for menu systems)
[16:32] <apachelogger> Artemis_Fowl: I will just start off with 0.5b and incorporate changes in 0.5 if necessary, so we can upload ASAP
[16:32] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: no problem then
[16:34] <Artemis_Fowl> btw KGRUBEditor needs documentation. Is there any KDEDocumentation team or so or should I write it by myself???
[16:35] <nosrednaekim> Artemis_Fowl » any docs team is so overloaded these days that it would probably be better if you wrote it (if you have time)
[16:35] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: I don't have :) so no documentation for the time being
[16:36] <nosrednaekim> I'd write it if I knew how. all I can write is some plain text :)
[16:36] <Artemis_Fowl> anyway the Assistants are self-explanatory. Mini mum requirement is understanding English
[16:37] <Artemis_Fowl> nosrednaekim: see this: http://l10n.kde.org/docs/doc-primer/intro.html. I discovered this trying to find out how to write documentation
[16:39] <Artemis_Fowl> The stupid bug was fixed :)
[16:41] <smarter> I've uploaded a new version of extremetuxracer in REVU but it appears in the "New packages" table instead of the "Updated packages" one, why?
[16:42] <mok0> Riddell: Do you have 2 min?
[16:42] <smarter> oops, I wanted to post that in #ubuntu-motu, sorry
[17:18] <stdin> emu: so, you want to test some 3.5.9 packages then?
[17:31] <Tm_T> stdin: miu
[17:32] <stdin> miu?
[17:36] <Tm_T> mau mourrrrr
[17:36]  * Tm_T hides
[17:36] <Tm_T> stdin: what's with .9 packages?
[17:37] <stdin> try them out :) (if you have gutsy)
[17:37] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-kde-3.5.9/ubuntu gutsy main
[17:37] <Tm_T> roger sir
[17:38] <DaSkreech> Yes?
[17:38] <stdin> kdeutils and kdeartwork is borked atm, so I know those don't work
[17:38] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: shush, you kid
[17:38] <smarter> where are the .9 for hardy?
[17:39] <stdin> broken for a while
[17:39] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm also building Qt atm so might take a moment
[17:39] <stdin> nice :)
[17:40] <Tm_T> stdin: also, what exactly I should try?
[17:40] <stdin> just make sure the packages install and work generally
[17:40] <Tm_T> heh
[17:40] <stdin> and don't break anything :)
[17:40] <stdin> anything else is "not my fault" (TM)
[17:41] <smarter> Is it madness to try them on hardy? ;)
[17:41] <stdin> you can try, but you'd fail
[17:42] <stdin> most are still building and I'm guessing there'll be may broken packages atm
[17:42] <Tm_T> heh
[17:44] <jabra> hey guys
[17:44] <stdin> hi
[17:47] <Riddell> hi jabra
[17:47] <jpatrick> evening jabra, apache|mobile_
[17:49] <jabra> I researching trying to make a minmal kde base livecd, I am curious knows how any resources that may help. I have checked and read the ubuntu and kubuntu wikis already.
[17:49] <jabra> curious if anyone knows ...
[17:49] <jabra> sorry tired just got back from shmoocon
[17:50] <jabra> i'm also debating try to use the debian livecd project and knoppix
[17:51] <Riddell> jabra: there's various projects to make live CDs from ubuntu CDs, google for remaster ubuntu
[17:51] <Riddell> I use unidistro to create them from scratch, although it's not very well documented
[17:52] <jabra> hmm
[17:52] <jabra> yea i'm trying to start with a kde based minmal livecd and add stuff as I need
[17:52] <jabra> two directions to go: one from scratch and the other to strip shit out
[17:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: minor aesthetic question. Do I keep the bar under the topNav links, or remove it?
[18:04] <Riddell> ryanakca: I quite like the bar
[18:04] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies, I'll leave it :)
[18:23] <ryanakca> Should I use Kabel Book or Bistream Vera Sans Bold in our images containing text (e.g. Announcement header, etc for website)? http://kde-artists.org/node/123
[18:26] <Riddell> not kabel
[18:26] <jjesse> afternoon
[18:26] <smarter> DejaVu is Vera++
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> afternoon jjesse
[18:27] <jjesse> hello nosrednaekim
[18:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: so, Bitstream?
[18:27] <ryanakca> hey jjesse
[18:27] <jjesse> hello ryanakca
[18:27] <jjesse> i hate the flu
[18:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: sounds good
[18:27] <smarter> ryanakca: DejaVu is Bitstream with support for more unicode characters
[18:28] <smarter> and is included everywhere
[18:28] <ryanakca> smarter: hmm.. ok. Thanks
[18:33] <smarter> mmh, big update today
[18:35] <Riddell> oh, that must mean the archive is functioning again
[18:36] <smarter> yep
[18:36] <Riddell> smarter: fancy testing 3.5.9 in hardy?
[18:37] <buz> Riddell: i'm just installing it
[18:37] <buz> (will test it from 4.0 tho)
[18:38] <buz> archive.ubuntu seems to work, but not mirrors
[18:40]  * buz needs a break from hacking latex,testing kde 3.5.9 will be just perfect :P
[18:43] <buz> uhm thats bad
[18:44] <buz> kde4 immediately crashed when i tried to login after installing kde 3.5.9
[18:45] <buz> but on the plus side, kde 3.5.9 comes up lightning quick
[18:46] <smarter> Riddell: of course ;)
[18:46] <buz> konqueror incl. flash works
[18:46] <buz> luks works beautifully
[18:46] <buz> amarok plays mp3
[18:47] <buz> kmail finally filters mail again
[18:48] <buz> Riddell: any specific things you want tested?
[18:48] <buz> smplayer stopped working
[18:48] <buz> dumps core
[18:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: any name of a guy that would be interested for a packaging employement ?
[18:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: my copany is looking for a full time packager/sysadmin
[18:59] <Tonio_> working home possible, ideally based in europe...
[19:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know of anyone but you could ask on the kubuntu-devel and motu lists
[19:17] <Aikurn> hi
[19:17] <buz> since updating to kde 3.5.9 i get this when trying to start a kde4 session http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4726/
[19:17] <Riddell> hi Aikurn
[19:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[19:18] <buz> (on the plus side, kde3.5.9 seems to work like a charm)
[19:18] <Riddell> Aikurn: install kdebase-bin-kde4 ?
[19:19] <cheguevara> hmm now i am too scared to update to 3.5.9
[19:19]  * Tm_T isn't
[19:19] <buz> cheguevara: depends if you want to use kde4 :P
[19:20] <Tm_T> I'm also running KDE4.1 series ;)
[19:20] <cheguevara> its all i use :P
[19:20] <buz> (kde4 apps from kde3 also dont work)
[19:20] <buz> yeah same here
[19:20] <cheguevara> anyone else has an updated system and can check
[19:20] <Riddell> buz: install kdebase-bin-kde4 ?
[19:20] <smarter> kde4 apps don't word under 3.5.9 here too
[19:21] <buz> Riddell: ii  kdebase-bin-kde4                           4:4.0.1-0ubuntu2                     core binaries for the KDE 4 base module
[19:21] <smarter> "Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before you do anything that requires it! Examples of this are config objects, standard directories or translations."
[19:21] <buz> smarter: exactly
[19:21] <cheguevara> *closes update manager*
[19:22] <buz> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:22] <buz> lyx does no longer work
[19:22] <Aikurn> Riddell: installed
[19:22] <cheguevara> http://www.nabble.com/lyx-crash-when-loading-eps-files-td15063140.html
[19:22] <cheguevara> here u go :P
[19:22] <smarter> the right-click flash menu still has funny colors
[19:23] <buz> qt4 is somehow broken
[19:23] <buz> because lyx is only a qt app, not a kde one
[19:23] <cheguevara> but it uses kde libs
[19:23] <cheguevara> according to the above post
[19:23] <smarter> qtconfig-qt4 display the same kcomponentdata error
[19:24] <cheguevara> there's no qt update though
[19:24] <buz> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/4727/ does not look like it uses kde to me
[19:25] <buz> the app looks decidedly qtish as well
[19:25] <buz> boy this sucks
[19:25] <buz> (thou shalt not use alpha software when working on masters thesis, i guess)
[19:25] <Tm_T> hih
[19:26] <smarter> use Kile :)
[19:26] <buz> i hate latex syntax
[19:26] <buz> it's fugly
[19:26] <cheguevara> lets see what else is in the update list
[19:26] <buz> can you paste the update to pastebin?
[19:28] <buz> last update to qt4 was on 14th
[19:28] <cheguevara> http://pastebin.ca/908822
[19:28] <buz> but that cant be the culprit
[19:28] <cheguevara> thats what i got now of a functioning system
[19:28] <buz> why was restricted-manager removed, anyawy?
[19:28] <smarter> buz: it has been replaced by jockey
[19:29] <buz> i dont think i got jockey here
[19:29] <buz> oh i do
[19:29] <cheguevara> kubuntu-default-settings may be?
[19:30] <cheguevara> since some kde4 bits were added there
[19:30] <buz> or kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[19:30] <cheguevara> thats a meta package i think
[19:30] <buz> true
[19:30] <cheguevara> though that still doesnt explain why qt only apps fail
[19:32]  * buz sets up a gutsy vbox
[19:32] <cheguevara> any ideas Riddell
[19:32] <jpatrick> buz: use vim
[19:32] <buz> i want gui
[19:32] <buz> i have used kile in the past and i do KNOW latex
[19:32] <buz> its just way more comfortable in lyx :P
[19:34] <cheguevara> smarter and buz so all qt4 progs fail?
[19:34] <buz> smplayer does so too
[19:34] <smarter> cheguevara: yes
[19:34] <buz> know any more qt4 ones?
[19:34] <smarter> qtconfig-qt4
[19:35] <smarter> hplip
[19:35] <smarter> jockey-kde
[19:37] <DaSkreech> Gutsy Froze again :(
[19:37] <buz> yep jockey dumps core
[19:37] <cheguevara> thing is KComonentData is a kde function so it must be kde related
[19:37] <buz> but why do qt4 apps even bother with kde
[19:38] <cheguevara> so the question here is
[19:38] <cheguevara> does anyone have gnome :P
[19:38] <buz> i could install it
[19:38] <buz> i will reinstall this box when hardy is released anyhow
[19:38] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[19:39] <cheguevara> same here, but i am low on disk space
[19:39] <buz> got 4G left
[19:39] <hunger> DaSkreech: ho.
[19:39] <buz> needs 1G according to aptitude
[19:39] <DaSkreech> hunger: how goes? seems you have a decent set of submissions for Kwallet
[19:39] <buz> tho archive.ubuntu is not the fastest of all mirrors :P
[19:39] <cheguevara> or may be xfce even
[19:40] <cheguevara> anything DE thats not kde :P
[19:40] <DaSkreech> Luna?
[19:41] <cheguevara> xubuntu-desktop is around 500 mb
[19:41] <hunger> DaSkreech: Yeap, George does wonders.-)
[19:42] <DaSkreech> hunger: Have you thought of outlining JJs?
[19:42] <cheguevara> http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/darwin_awards_nominee.jpg :P
[19:42] <buz> i'm installing it
[19:42] <buz> as well as gutsy :P
[19:42] <cheguevara> nice :)
[19:42] <hunger> DaSkreech: JJs?
[19:42] <DaSkreech> Junior Jobs
[19:43] <buz> cheguevara: if mythbusters are to be trusted that may not be fatal
[19:43] <cheguevara> heh
[19:43] <buz> still i would try it
[19:43] <jpatrick> cheguevara: haha
[19:44] <buz> its fake
[19:44] <buz> nobody is possibly that dumb
[19:44] <DaSkreech> hunger: I haven't asked tackat but he blogs his and I would suspect gets hits
[19:44] <cheguevara> u'd be surprised lol
[19:45] <jpatrick> buz: you'd be surprised....
[19:45] <DaSkreech>  mattr did a call out for help with Kopete KDE4 port and got people
[19:45] <buz> well maybe
[19:45] <buz> never underestimate stupidity
[19:45] <jpatrick> buz: you obviously don't know many trolls...
[19:46] <buz> i know plenty
[19:46] <buz> most are not stupid at all
[19:46] <buz> none of the good ones is, anyway
[19:47] <cheguevara> does anyone have wine installed
[19:47] <Tm_T> cheguevara: yes?
[19:47] <jpatrick> power cable has no current probably
[19:47] <cheguevara> Tm_T, can you check if its working for you
[19:48] <cheguevara> every windows app seg faults for me
[19:48] <jpatrick> cheguevara: that's a new feature
[19:48] <Tm_T> cheguevara: in gutsy?
[19:48] <cheguevara> jpatrick: lol
[19:48] <Tm_T> jpatrick: "securityfix, no evil code can be run"
[19:48] <cheguevara> Tm_T, hardy
[19:48] <Tm_T> cheguevara: then can't help atm
[19:48] <cheguevara> :(
[19:48] <cheguevara> mmap2(0x7ffd8000, 16384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x7ffd8000
[19:48] <cheguevara> --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
[19:48] <cheguevara> +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++
[19:48] <Tm_T> my secondary system is still down
[19:51] <gykslrzz> hiii
[19:53] <Tm_T> ok
[19:53] <buz> mpf installing the foot takes forever
[19:54] <buz> just occured to me, is gnome a pun at trolltech?
[19:57] <cheguevara> lol
[19:57] <buz> ok gnome is installed
[19:57] <buz> logout
[19:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: have a preference as for the margine on either side? 12px or 23px ?
[19:58] <ryanakca> s/23/22/g
[19:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: can't say I do
[20:00] <buz> crashes happen in gnome too
[20:00] <buz> same symptoms
[20:01] <cheguevara> well that was pointless
[20:01] <buz> one thing to be said for gnome: it shuts down lighting quick
[20:01] <cheguevara> lol
[20:02] <buz> boy how can people in ubuntu land live with that brown color scheme
[20:02] <cheguevara> 'cause it lacks features :P
[20:02] <buz> by that measure, kde4 should shutdown even faster
[20:02] <buz> hehe cool
[20:02] <buz> i sent virtualbox before logout into save state
[20:03] <buz> now it resumed installing gutsy just where it was left of
[20:06] <cheguevara> buz, so on gnome u still get the KComponentData error?
[20:06] <buz> yes
[20:06] <buz> unless that was related to konversation running?
[20:07] <cheguevara> could be, since konversation would star krunner and friends
[20:07]  * buz starts another session
[20:08] <cheguevara> klauncher i mean
[20:08] <cheguevara> which program are you trying?
[20:08] <buz> lyx
[20:08] <buz> which is  qt4
[20:08] <cheguevara> have you got qtconfig-qt4 ? that would probaby be better
[20:09] <buz> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "qtconfig-qt4"
[20:09] <buz> oh its called qt4-config
[20:11] <cheguevara> its called qtconfig-qt4 here
[20:11] <buz> Unpacking qt4-qtconfig (from .../qt4-qtconfig_4.3.3-0ubuntu3_i386.deb) ...
[20:11] <buz> but the app itself is called qtconfig-qt4
[20:11] <buz> it seems
[20:11] <cheguevara> oh right
[20:12] <cheguevara> just before you run it can you copy ps aux bo pastebin pls
[20:12] <buz> me error
[20:12] <cheguevara> output of "ps aux" i mean
[20:12] <buz> too late
[20:12] <buz> ah well kill gnome, try again :P
[20:13] <buz> ps would list this kde session as well, no?
[20:13] <cheguevara> just make it clean and completely log out :P
[20:14] <buz> mhh cut my life line :P
[20:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[20:14] <buz> how about kdm :P
[20:14] <nareshov> Can I get to hardy from kubuntu with a simple %s/gutsy/hardy/g + update && safe-upgrade && dist-upgrade ?
[20:15] <buz> right now i would not do that
[20:15] <buz> but in theory, yes
[20:15] <cheguevara> lol
[20:15] <smarter> nareshov: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" should be safer
[20:15] <cheguevara> kdm should be ok
[20:18] <buz> no luck
[20:18] <nareshov> smarter: nice, it's working
[20:19] <buz> http://pastebin.ca/908905
[20:21] <cheguevara> god thats a lot of processes
[20:21] <cheguevara> right i need to step out for a bit
[20:21] <cheguevara> be back soon
[20:21] <buz> there's something wrong with python installs
[20:21] <buz> first python-app breaks, now update-manager
[20:22] <cheguevara> theres a python-central update
[20:22] <buz> yes that breaks stuff
[20:23]  * nareshov crosses fingers as he "Dist upgrades" to hardy >_>
[20:24] <buz> good luck
[20:24] <buz> i hope you dont use any qt4 apps :P
[20:24] <nareshov> I do!
[20:24] <nareshov> I have apps from the KDE4 PPA
[20:24] <buz> you wont be happy then
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> are they going to 4.4 or something?
[20:24] <buz> or maybe you will be
[20:25] <nareshov> :)
[20:25] <buz> it will obe interesting if they work for a newly installed hardy
[20:27] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: ping
[20:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: from dragonplayer diff.gz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56538/
[20:28] <jpatrick> :)
[20:32]  * buz grabs last version of kubuntu-default-settings from launchpad
[20:35] <buz> are there kde3.5.9 packages for gutsy
[20:36] <nixternal> not that I see
[20:37] <Riddell> yes
[20:37] <jpatrick> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-kde-3.5.9/ubuntu gutsy main
[20:37] <Riddell> in testing
[20:37] <nixternal> ahhhh
[20:38] <nixternal> and here come the 3.5.9 updates for hardy
[20:38] <nixternal> w00t
[20:38] <buz> nixternal: if you want to use qt4 apps dont install them
[20:43] <Riddell> qt4 apps work here
[20:44] <buz> in hardy?
[20:45] <nixternal> hrmm
[20:45] <nixternal> no KDM is coming up now after my update
[20:45] <buz> using kde4?
[20:45] <buz> i mean kdm4?
[20:45] <nixternal> kdm
[20:46] <buz> kdm still works for me
[20:46] <buz> thankfully
[20:46] <nixternal> I think my desktop might be hosed though
[20:47] <buz> hosed like how
[20:47] <nixternal> in everyway possible
[20:47] <nixternal> I haven't used it in a while and I can't remember if it was hosed before or not
[20:47] <nixternal> w00t, KDM works again
[20:47] <nixternal> kdm-kde4 that is
[20:47] <nixternal> ok, maybe it does't
[20:47] <buz> kde4 crashes just after hitting login for me
[20:50] <nixternal> now this is silly
[20:50] <nixternal> kdm-kde4 works to log into kde3, but doesn't work to log into kde4
[20:50] <buz> well qt4 stuff is broken
[20:50] <buz> so kde4 wont work
[20:50] <nixternal> I removed kdm-kde4 to use the old kdm, and it doesn't even go into kdm
[20:50] <nixternal> I am on KDE 4 right now
[20:51] <buz> with kdm?
[20:51] <nixternal> yup
[20:51] <buz> weird
[20:51] <buz> for me not a single qt4 based app works
[20:51] <nixternal> ahh, now we are back to kdm working
[20:51] <nixternal> w00t
[20:51] <buz> damn my kde4 still doesn not work
[20:52] <nixternal> oh wow
[20:52] <nixternal> KDE 4 isn't working
[20:53] <nixternal> damnit, that means I cannot log out of my laptop or I am screwed
[20:53] <Riddell> I don't understand what the problem could be
[20:54] <buz> its pretty weird
[20:54] <nixternal> ya, it goes to log into KDE 4, shows the hard drive icon in the splash, and then crashes back out to kdm
[20:54] <buz> qt4 apps complaining about not finden K objects
[20:54] <buz> nixternal: same here
[20:54] <buz> nixternal: try starting a kde4 app in kde3
[20:55] <nixternal> ya, KDE 4 apps aren't working at all
[20:55]  * nosrednaekim is glad he isn't on hardy
[20:56] <nixternal> hrmm, some seem to be working
[20:57] <buz> which is working
[20:57] <nixternal> Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before you do anything that requires it! Examples of this are config objects, standard directories or translations
[20:57] <nixternal> Aborted (core dumped)
[20:57] <buz> exactly
[20:57] <nixternal> Dolphin works though
[20:57] <nixternal> isn't a qt4 issue because qt4 apps are working
[20:58] <buz> not for me
[20:58] <buz> qtconfig-qt4
[20:58] <buz> Fatal error: you need to have a KComponentData object before
[20:58] <nixternal> hrmm
[20:59] <nixternal> ya, same thing with qtconfig, but my qt4 python apps are working
[21:00] <buz> http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/kglobal_8cpp-source.html error comes from here
[21:02] <smarter> why is NDEBUG not defined in the kubuntu package?
[21:02] <jpatrick> smarter: smaller size
[21:03] <smarter> jpatrick: packages with debug have smaller size? o_O
[21:04] <nixternal> ahh, nothing like being back in KDE 3
[21:04] <nixternal> this sucks, and the fonts suck
[21:04] <buz> looks so old
[21:04] <buz> but trusty
[21:04] <nixternal> hehe, ya
[21:04] <nixternal> it seems we aren't the only ones with this issue either
[21:05] <buz> ?
[21:05] <nixternal> Fedora and OpenSUSE as well according to this kde.devel.core.bugs report filed on 2008-01-30
[21:05] <nixternal> they have pinpointed the issue to kdelibs4
[21:05] <nixternal> they say removing that fixes it
[21:06] <buz> and breaks kde4 i imagine
[21:06] <buz> well at least i'll get back lyx, maybe
[21:07] <nixternal> hehe, that is the first app that reported a similar problem
[21:07] <buz> yeah but only in a special case
[21:07] <buz> and it's a qt4 app
[21:07] <buz> not kde
[21:07] <buz> which is doubly weird
[21:07] <buz> yeah lyx is back
[21:07] <buz> kde4 is gone but since it didnt work....
[21:08] <nixternal> man, been a few months since I was last in KDE 3
[21:08] <nixternal> it just isn't as...impressive I guess :)
[21:08] <buz> rock solid though
[21:08] <buz> and so many features :P
[21:08] <nixternal> KDE 4.0.1 was rock solid for me
[21:09] <nixternal> yesterday was the first day I really had any crashes
[21:09] <buz> krunner would crash on hourly basis
[21:09] <nixternal> not for me it did't
[21:09] <nixternal> my only issue was with Konqi
[21:09] <buz> and x freezes every few days
[21:09] <buz> (that may be partly intels fault though)
[21:09] <smarter> KDE4 is pretty stable here
[21:09] <smarter> but it's *so* slow
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> slow?
[21:09] <nixternal> not here it isn't :p
[21:09] <nixternal> you can't log into it here now :(
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> first time I've heard that kde4 is slow
[21:10] <nixternal> OK, I do not see what the issue could be at all
[21:10] <buz> turning of composite helps speed
[21:10] <buz> (of course, intel getting their act together with their aiglx support would help, too)
[21:10] <smarter> simple test: launch konqueror4, press CTRL+T during 2 seconds, watch, do the same with konqueror 3
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> buz » interestingly.... composite makes mine faster
[21:10] <smarter> under kde3 or kde4
[21:11] <nixternal> my Intel + KDE 4 w/ composite kicks arse
[21:11] <smarter> ATI Mobity X600 here
[21:11] <nixternal> and this is a 1.6GHz Celeron with 1.5GB of ram, the 945 chipset
[21:11] <buz> it does not even play video
[21:11] <smarter> kde3 is really fast
[21:11] <smarter> kde4 is almost unusable
[21:11] <buz> (ok it does not really play video in any case, the tearing really sucks)
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> smarter » slightly slower,
[21:12] <nixternal> I had KDE 4 running nicely using the r300 drivers not to long ago on my desktop
[21:12] <smarter> nosrednaekim: with konqueror 3 I can see the tabs appearing
[21:12] <smarter> with konqueror 4 everything freezes and they appear 5 by 5 very slowly
[21:14] <smarter> and I'm not the only one who thinks kde4 is slow
[21:14] <smarter> I hope Qt 4.4 will improve things
[21:14] <buz> yeah maybe qtwebkit :P
[21:19] <ryanakca> smarter: I don't notice any speed diference between KDE4/KDE3
[21:20] <smarter> ryanakca: lucky you
[21:20] <ryanakca> what are you running? I have... *waits for sysinfo to finish installing*
[21:21] <smarter> Pentium M 1,73 GHz - 512 MB of RAM - ATi Radeon Mobility X600
[21:21] <smarter> on a 2 years old hp compaq nx8220
[21:22] <ryanakca> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ 1000.000 MHz + 502 MiB of RAM + GeForce 7600 GS
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> turion X2 1.6ghz 1gig ram, Xpress1100 graphics
[21:24] <smarter> and I use the free radeon driver
[21:29] <nixternal> holy smokes
[21:29] <nixternal> I just noticed something really really weird
[21:30] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56549/ I rock!
[21:30] <nixternal> nevermind
[21:31] <nixternal> no, you will rock harder when you get my Kubuntu fixed :p
[21:31] <nixternal> man, I created a diff between 3.5.8 and 3.5.9, opened it up, looked at it, and my head exploded
[21:31] <smarter> jpatrick: great :)
[21:32] <smarter> I'll try to forward my bespin package to them
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> nixternal » I thought it was just a bug/security update
[21:32] <jpatrick> smarter: err, too late, did that
[21:32] <nixternal> just looking at all of the recent updates for something
[21:32] <smarter> jpatrick: cool
[21:33] <smarter> jpatrick: so I'll forward extremetuxracer or kepas
[21:33] <jpatrick> did kepas
[21:33] <jpatrick> lol
[21:34] <smarter> you're everywhere :}
[21:40] <nzk> Is there anything that needs to be ported from qt3 to qt4?
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> nzk » alot of system settings modules I think.
[21:57] <nixternal> hrmm, so this is also a Gutsy issue with KDE 4* not working now as well?
[21:58] <smarter> since I upgraded to kde 3.5.9, I can't remove copy or cut files with Konqueror
[21:58] <smarter> the options are greyed out in the right click menu
[21:58] <smarter> and doing CTRL+C or CTRL+V does nothing
[22:00] <smarter> D3lphin works fine
[22:00] <nixternal> ya, same here
[22:02] <smarter> buz: can you confirm this?
[22:03] <smarter> (or anyone else who is running kde 3.5.9)
[22:07] <nixternal> I can
[22:08] <nixternal> whoa
[22:08] <nixternal> smarter: it works
[22:09] <nixternal> when you select something, they then become available
[22:09] <nixternal> no, it is working for me, I can remove, copy, and cut files, and I can use ctrl+c/v as well
[22:10] <smarter> strange then
[22:13] <nixternal> I cannot pinpoint where this problem comes from
[22:13] <nixternal> the only big changes I see with kdelibs are with config/makefile stuff
[22:13] <nixternal> all of the code changes seem somewhat minor
[22:15] <nixternal> whoa
[22:15] <nixternal> I found it!!!!
[22:15] <nixternal>  /etc/kde4rc
[22:15] <nixternal> I deleted it, and I can now run KDE 4
[22:16] <nixternal> Riddell: k-d-s could be the issue maybe?
[22:16] <nixternal> YES!!!
[22:17] <nixternal> Riddell: the issue with is with the new KDE 4 stuff added to k-d-s
[22:17] <jjesse> congrats on getting it back up and running
[22:17] <nixternal> I can now open up all of my kde4 files within kde3
[22:17] <buz> i can cut and paste files
[22:17] <buz> mhh how about qtconfig-qt4?
[22:17] <smarter> after closing and opening konqueror again it works
[22:18] <nixternal> buz: yes, it works!
[22:18] <buz> so i'll reinstall kde4
[22:22] <nixternal> yup, /etc/kde4rc seems to hold the issue
[22:22] <nixternal> as soon as I readd the file nothing KDE 4 works
[22:23] <nixternal> not even qtconfig-qt4
[22:27] <jjesse> i think today is the day i shouldn't touch a computer
[22:27] <jjesse> both of my vms have frozen on me :(
[22:27] <buz> great it works again
[22:28] <nixternal> hehe
[22:28] <buz> thx, nixternal
[22:28] <buz> i can even use a kde4 session again
[22:28] <nixternal> yup
[22:28] <buz> looks muuch nicer ;P
[22:28] <nixternal> it is the link to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/default that is the issue it seems
[22:30] <nixternal> w00t
[22:30] <nixternal> I have totally pinpointed the issue!
[22:31] <nixternal> [Directories]
[22:31] <nixternal> userProfileMapFile=/etc/kde-user-profile
[22:31] <nixternal> that right there
[22:31] <nixternal> actually, that entire file is an issue...even with that commented out, you get a blank, and I mean blank kde4 :)
[22:33] <buz> time to go to bed
[22:33] <buz> night
[22:33] <jpatrick> likewise
[22:34] <nixternal> oh man, all of the kde4 stuff in k-d-s is for KDE 3
[22:34] <nixternal> it should not be installed, and that was a really bad upload
[22:35] <jpatrick> nixternal: hit aplg I think
[22:35] <jpatrick> can't remember
[22:36] <nixternal> apachelogger_: you around at all?
[22:36] <smarter> nixternal: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/plasma-appletsrc does not look like a kde3 config :P
[22:37] <nixternal> well, that is the only thing
[22:37] <nixternal> look at the wallpaper it wants to use
[22:37] <nixternal> it wants to use the kubuntu-wallpaper from KDE 3
[22:37] <cheguevara> back
[22:37] <smarter> so what?
[22:37] <nixternal> 1) default/ for kde4 in k-d-s is far from complete
[22:37] <smarter> kde3 wallpapers are not compatible with kde4? :}
[22:37] <nixternal> no, just proving it is the same file that is in the kde3 section of k-d-s
[22:38] <cheguevara> see i told you it was k-d-s :P
[22:39] <nixternal> we don't need to be modifying KDE 4 yet anyways...with a stock KDE 4 it is fine...no need to start changing the look anyways yet
[22:39] <nixternal> let it mature first
[22:40]  * smarter thinks that the default color scheme is too grey
[22:43] <nixternal> I also noticed in plasma, using slim-glow for the theme, only problem is, there is no slim-glow installed, let alone available in the repos
[22:48] <nixternal> ahh, feels so good to be back in KDE 4 :)
[22:49] <cheguevara> so basically everything is safe to upgrade except k-d-s?
[22:50] <nixternal> yes
[22:51] <cheguevara> kk
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> mhb: heh, I like the idea of that automatic configuration file editor creator (mouthful) I may just have to do it. I hope i'm old enough for the google summer of code
[23:03] <jjesse> grumble grumble
[23:03] <jjesse> vms still broked
[23:29] <Riddell> nixternal: is it just plasma-appletsrc which is a problem in k-d-s?
[23:29] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: you need to be 18
[23:29] <Riddell> (not sure on which date)
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: last time I would have missed the cut off date by a week. (though I was only 16 at the time)
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> hopefully its just a bit later this year
[23:32] <Riddell> Tm_T: ok for developer week tomorrow?
[23:32] <Tm_T> yes so far :)
[23:33] <cheguevara> Riddell, all the kde 4 settings that get written are kde 3 settings
[23:33] <cheguevara> plasma-appletsrc is the only thing thats RIGHT :P
[23:39] <Tm_T> Riddell: there is some source I should doublecheck to be prepared?
[23:39] <Riddell> nixternal: are you going to upload that k-d-s change?
[23:40] <Riddell> Tm_T: would be good to have it announced on the kubuntu-devel list
[23:40] <Tm_T> the happening?
[23:46] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes
[23:46] <Tm_T> roger
[23:48] <nixternal> Riddell: already did upload the changes
[23:48] <nixternal> to bzr repo that is
[23:48] <Riddell> nixternal: thanks
[23:48] <Riddell> nixternal: oh, I mean to the real thing
[23:49] <nixternal> it is in main, so I can't
[23:49] <Riddell> nixternal: well at least add a changelog so you can get the karma
[23:49] <nixternal> I am not worried about the Karma :)
[23:50] <nixternal> ooh, I should have updated it anyways in bzr, totally forgot about that
[23:51] <nixternal> not to shabby of a day, I did my 5-a-day, figured out the issue with kde 4 stuff after update, and now I will work on finishing up the chapter for the book
[23:51] <cheguevara> :P
[23:52] <nixternal> didn't do my homework that is due tomorrow though :p
[23:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: sent, might or might not contain all needed information
[23:55] <cheguevara> i wish they'd put update-manager version information back already
[23:56] <nixternal> I am attempting to work on a PyKDE4 tutorial...taking PyQt4 examples and converting them to PyKDE4...thus far, I haven't been successful :p
[23:56] <cheguevara> lol
[23:57] <nixternal> I can do the stuff in PyQt4 now with my eyes closed, but PyKDE4 doesn't like me
[23:57] <nixternal> layout is what is getting me
[23:58] <nixternal> layout = QVBoxLayout() works great, but you can't simply do layout = KVBox() and use it the same way..and the API docs for it aren't the clearest
[23:58] <nixternal> QDialog and KDialog I have them differences down
[23:59] <Riddell> KVBox?
[23:59] <Riddell> never heard of it
[23:59] <nixternal> it is in the API for Vertical layout
[23:59] <nixternal> I have a KTextBrowser and a KLineEdit I want layed out vertically within the dialog