[00:02] <ecue> is it me, or are ATI drivers the worst
[00:02] <ecue> i'm sorry i'm a linux newbie, but this problem of getting dual monitors to work is really not making it fun
[00:02] <ecue> i can understand how people can get really frustrated
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> ecue » dual monitors are not easy no matter what driver you are using
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> !dualhead
[00:03] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[00:03] <Dr_willis> I found setting up twinview to be rather trivial now.  :)
[00:04] <ecue> i mean seriously, someone hasn't figured it out concrete, i'm a newborn when it comes to linux
[00:04] <Arwen> fglrx BigDesktop is a PITA
[00:04] <shaffie> can someone tell me how i manually download all packages/dependencies listed in aptitude for a certain package?  where do i go to get them?
[00:04] <Arwen> packages.ubuntu.com
[00:04] <oem> ciao
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> shaffie » dhclient doesn't work?
[00:04] <Arwen> could take you while *cough*
[00:05] <oem> prego...
[00:05] <shaffie> nosrednaekim: dhclient?
[00:05] <oem> hello
[00:05] <nosrednaekim> shaffie » that command I told you to run "sudo dhclient eth0"
[00:05] <nosrednaekim> hey oem
[00:05] <oem> hi
[00:05] <oem> ciao
[00:05] <oem> greeting from italy
[00:06] <shaffie> nosrednaekim:  it worked!  thanks so much!
[00:06] <oem> hello
[00:07] <nosrednaekim> shaffie » :)
[00:07] <Arwen> anyone running KDE 4.0.1? any major issues?
[00:07] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » I am.... nothing huge
[00:08] <oem> hellooooooooooooo
[00:08] <Arwen> hmm, now if only there were authenticated packages available... oh well
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » they should be in backports
[00:09] <Dr_willis> hmm 4.0.1 is out allready? that was fast
[00:09] <Arwen> KDE4 version in backports is 3.2~gutsy1
[00:09] <Arwen> not sure what that means
[00:10] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » thats just the metapackage... check the version  on kopete-kde4 or such
[00:10] <shaffie> thanks everyone for your help.  it has been more than appreciated!
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis » they are doing monthly releases
[00:11] <shaffie> peace&a.
[00:11] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, they're 4.0.0
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » oh.... hmmm
[00:11] <oem> were is italian channal ?
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> !it
[00:11] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[00:12] <oem> ok
[00:12] <Arwen> (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dpkg-lzma) "Switching to lzma could save us up to 175MB on the alternate cd" <-- where are these miraculous numbers coming from?
[00:18] <oloughlin75> I am trying to set up moblock and keep getting this pesky error: *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/bin/moblock terminated
[00:23] <icesword> hi
[00:23] <oloughlin75> hey
[00:23] <icesword> can can kde install mac4lin
[00:23] <oloughlin75> no idea
[00:23] <oloughlin75> !mac4lin
[00:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac4lin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:25] <icesword> thx
[00:26] <ubuntu_> need help with grub error line 15
[00:27] <ubuntu_> I have one hard drive with xp/ kubuntu. loaded windows first and kubuntu 2nd
[00:27] <ubuntu_> used free space
[00:27] <ubuntu_> how do I fix this problem?
[00:28] <Beren78> whats the problem?
[00:28] <Dr_willis> whats the exact grub error? Error 15 or error on LINE 15 ?
[00:28] <ubuntu_> line 15
[00:29] <ubuntu_> it boots fine to windows but fails on linux
[00:29] <ubuntu_> I'm running live cd now
[00:30] <Dr_willis> thats... odd.
[00:30] <ubuntu_> I think grub is messed up
[00:30] <Dr_willis> mount your installed system, and see whats  on line 15 of boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:30] <ubuntu_> how can I look to see if /boot/grub/menu.lst file is there?
[00:31] <Dr_willis> it wont be /boot  it will be wheever the system mounted your installed system to then boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:31] <ubuntu_> I think it is trying to boot to wrong partition
[00:31] <ahmad> hello, i can't connect to any wireless network. i try the knetwok manager but when i connect it, it stops at 28% then i try to manually configure the ra0 is enabled and the ip adress is 169.168.1.23 dhcp. then i under route the ip adress is 192.168.1.1 device etho then athe domain name server is 192.168.1.1. can you help me fix this problem?
[00:32] <ubuntu_> anyway to correct this problem.
[00:32] <tuxwulf_> How can I get k3b to burn a CD image on a blank DVD disk?
[00:32] <ubuntu_> was wondering if I could use live cd, qparted, delete linux partition and then do fresh install to the freed space?
[00:33] <Dr_willis> ubuntu_,  you can alwyas delete all the linux partitions if you wanted to.
[00:34] <ubuntu_> if I delete them, will I still be able to boot to windows?
[00:34] <ubuntu_> I only would want to delete the main linux partitions, right?
[00:34] <oloughlin75> tuxwulf_: select burn image
[00:35] <Dr_willis> you could just reatart the installer ubuntu_  and let it format the old filesystems. and reinstall
[00:35] <ubuntu_> how do I know which partitions I want to format and reinstall
[00:36] <oloughlin75> you do NOT want to touch the ntfs partition (probably hda1)
[00:36] <Dr_willis> the ones that are ext2
[00:36] <Dr_willis> or ext3
[00:36] <ubuntu_> I don't want to format windows portion of shared drive
[00:37] <ubuntu_> will the installer do this for me?
[00:37] <Dr_willis> i rarely use the live cd installer.. pay attention in the disk mounting/formating area.
[00:38] <Dr_willis> It will proberly try to mount the existing linux partitions somewhere. you will need to tell it to mount one to / and the others to whever.. and format them
[00:41] <stephane_> bonsoir
[00:41] <ahmad> hello Dr Willis, i can't connect to any wireless network. i try the knetwok manager but when i connect it, it stops at 28% then i try to manually configure the ra0 is enabled and the ip adress is 169.168.1.23 dhcp. then i under route the ip adress is 192.168.1.1 device etho then athe domain name server is 192.168.1.1. can you help me fix this problem?
[00:42] <stephane_> french?
[00:42] <Dr_willis> i know very little about wureless under linux/kubuntu -  i just run wires.. when needed. :)
[00:42] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  those settings look right to me however.
[00:42] <Dr_willis> ahmad,  some basic tests are try  pinging the router.
[00:44] <ahmad> ah ok. i am new to this OS and a don't know how to ping.
[00:44] <Dr_willis> ping ip.to.ping.%%
[00:45] <shaffy_> okay, i hope someone can help me.  i've done a bad thing.  i installed xubuntu (aptitude install xubuntu-desktop).  okay, no problem.  however, i wanted to completely remove it later on to have a pure KDE installation., so i used the command(s) here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde               now, i have a kde system that won't run certain applications and stalls for a long time on bootup at "starting NFS common utilities."   is
[00:45] <shaffy_> there any way to repair this?  like a mass-dependency check or something?
[00:46] <Dr_willis> you could try reinstalling kubuntu-desktop
[00:46] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:49] <shaffy_> hmm, dr. willis:  it didn't seem to do anything.  what about (re)installing kubuntu-default-settings ?
[00:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> make sure portmap and nfs-common are still installed (if you used nfs to begin with, that is)
[00:50] <shaffy_> Daisuke_Laptop: i have no idea what either one of those are, but i'll try and check anyway
[00:51] <shaffy_> Daisuke_Laptop: nope, they both appear to be there.. no changes made.
[00:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> hrmm
[00:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> just mentioning because that's where you seem to have the stall
[00:51] <shaffy_> yeah.  what if i reinstall the xubuntu-desktop again?
[00:52] <shaffy_> maybe that will fix it?
[00:59] <Psycoshot> Hey, How do I find out my HD space? (free)
[00:59] <Dr_willis> df -hs
[01:00] <sub[t]rnl> -s?
[01:00] <Psycoshot> ?
[01:00] <Dr_willis> df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[01:00] <Psycoshot> Thank you!
[01:00] <Dr_willis>  there we go. thats my 'showdisks' alias
[01:00] <Psycoshot> Oh shit, 3gb free
[01:00] <Psycoshot> XD
[01:00] <Dr_willis> alias showdisks='df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[01:00] <Dr_willis> '
[01:01] <[Relic]> any util to get an accurate processor speed?
[01:02] <biovore> cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[01:03] <[Relic]> that's not accurate  :)
[01:03] <biovore> thats the reported speed from the proc (max speed)
[01:03] <biovore> you want the speed step speed?
[01:03] <Dr_willis> define acurate. :)
[01:04] <Dr_willis> if its saying the speed the cpu is running at.. well thats acurate.. :)
[01:04] <[Relic]> probably, the reported is 2000 even thought the MB states 2260
[01:04] <Dr_willis> then again - just the act of doing  cat /proc/.... will put load on the cpu... :P
[01:05] <[Relic]> BMPS thing seems acurate though
[01:05] <biovore> the file /proc/cpuinfo just contains the info programing in to proc.. won't show over clocked speed
[01:05] <biovore> BogoMips -> bogus mips
[01:05] <biovore> mostly BS
[01:05] <[Relic]> true but it has always been a reflection of the actual cpu speed
[01:05] <sub[t]rnl> wonder what mips is?
[01:06] <sub[t]rnl> million instructions per second?
[01:06] <biovore> Million of Instructions Per Second
[01:06] <sub[t]rnl> righto
[01:06] <biovore> its also a architecture.. but we won't go there..
[01:06] <[Relic]> mips - many insane penguins surfing?  :)
[01:07] <Psycoshot> XD
[01:07] <BluesKaj> well, the stepped speed scaling wasn't working properly on my setup so I disabled powernowd, and now the cpu draws a bit more power but i don't get hanging apps :)
[01:08] <Psycoshot> When I play WoW it sometimes freezes up, totally, nothing can move. I have to manually reboot. Could this be my RAM maxing out? Or something over heating?
[01:08] <Psycoshot> I have 512 ram but compix uses 300
[01:08] <Psycoshot> XORG* not compiz
[01:08] <Psycoshot> * It uses 300MB of VmSize
[01:09] <Psycoshot> Anyone know why?
[01:10] <shaffy> does anyone know how to completely uninstall the xubuntu installation when installed by "aptitude install xubuntu-desktop"?  when i performed the remove action on the same package, it remove only a fraction of what was originally installed.  any ideas?
[01:10] <biovore> xubuntu-desktop is a virutal package..
[01:10] <biovore> thats probably why
[01:11] <biovore> virutal package is a debian packages that just list dependiencies..
[01:11] <shaffy> biovore: so is there a way to reverse the install completely?
[01:11] <biovore> since alot of stuff that got installed isn't dependent on xubuntu-desktop package.. there not removed..
[01:12] <biovore> nope.. just have to remove packages manualy
[01:12] <shaffy> that sucks, considering there are at least 100 that were installed.
[01:12]  * biovore wondering if there is a way you can list dependancies of xubuntu-desktop and put it to a file.. then use xargs to remove the packages :-P
[01:13] <biovore> 1 liner to do it.. if you can figure it out..
[01:13] <tuxwulf> How to burn CD image on DVD?
[01:13] <shaffy> what do you mean 1 liner?
[01:14] <biovore> I think k3b will let you burn a cd iso onto a dvd
[01:14] <biovore> shaffy: one somewhat long line on the command line interface
[01:15] <shaffy> thanks biovore
[01:16] <tuxwulf> biovore > no, it greys out
[01:17] <biovore> select burn DVD ISO image, then just select the CD image
[01:17] <ConstyXIV> anyone by chance downloading kubuntu right now, and can they tell me their speed?
[01:18] <ConstyXIV> via torrent that is
[01:18] <shaffy> does anyone know how to list all the dependencies of a package?
[01:19] <sub[t]rnl> ls
[01:19] <sub[t]rnl> miss
[01:19] <biovore> apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <shaffy> thanks biovore.  any idea how to put them all in a 1 liner?  :)
[01:21] <biovore> shaffy: thinking on it..
[01:22] <biovore> well to make a list of packages to remove..
[01:22] <sub[t]rnl> biovore➜ apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop |grep -i depends | sed 's/Depends://g' (halfway there)
[01:23] <biovore> shaffy: apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop | grep Depends: | awk  '{print $2 $3 $4;}'
[01:23] <biovore> not sure how apt responds to xargs though..
[01:23] <biovore> else I would append  | xargs -n 1 apt-get remove
[01:25] <tuxwulf> biovore: Did that, not working...
[01:25] <tuxwulf> Any other roasting sw might do it?
[01:26] <biovore> tuxwulf: It works here..
[01:26] <tuxwulf> biovore: 7.10?
[01:26] <biovore> yup
[01:26] <biovore> I just did it here..
[01:27] <sub[t]rnl> apt-cache depends xubuntu-desktop |grep -i depends | sed 's/Depends://g' > dep;for i in $(cat dep);do sudo apt-get remove $i; done
[01:27] <ubuntu__> how can I reinstall linux on dual boot xp/kubuntu system?
[01:27] <ubuntu__> get error 15 file not found
[01:28] <biovore> sub[t]rnl: he probably need to look over the dependencies..
[01:28] <biovore> ubuntu__: grub problem eh..
[01:28] <ubuntu__> I'm running live cd now
[01:28] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ your not pointing to the right partition in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:28] <ubuntu__> yes grub problem
[01:28] <ubuntu__> how do I resolve this?
[01:29] <ubuntu__> how do I edit /boot/grub/menu.lst from live cd?
[01:29] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ mount your root partition, or the boot partition (if you created one) then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to point to the correct partition
[01:29] <biovore> tuxwulf: when you start of K3B in the windows at the bottom.. there is a icon that says "Burn DVD ISO Image", click it..  Then when the dvd image burning thing comes up.. select a .iso file to burn..
[01:29] <ubuntu__> how do I mount root partition
[01:30] <Dr_willis> does the live cd auto mount existing  filesystems?  ive not noticed.
[01:30] <biovore> I don't think it does
[01:30] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/hda1 (or whatever its called)  /media/mountpoint (thatmust exist)
[01:30] <intelikey> networking pro ?    what is   224.0.0.1   ?
[01:30] <Dr_willis> I test out so many live cd's i never an rember what ubuntu does.
[01:30] <tuxwulf> biovore: yeah... that's what I did. Just the "burn medium" does nto change status, keeps at "Please insert DVD medium to write to", while a blank DVD is in there.
[01:30] <Dr_willis> In many ways the ubuntu/kubuntu live cd's are rather.. lacking in ways. :)
[01:31] <ubuntu__> ran fdisk -l and shows /dev/sda2 as linux partition
[01:32] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ just keep in mind how grub recognizes partitions.  sda2 would be (hd0,3) in grub.
[01:32] <intelikey> live CD is very lacking as an installer.   they shouldn't have tried to make it a gui install   should have just added a script to copy the system to a mountpoint and left the real install disk seperate.
[01:32] <ubuntu__> how do I correct problem
[01:33] <intelikey> ubuntu__ what problem ?
[01:33] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ see drwillis' post, (mount your root partition)
[01:33] <ubuntu__> how do I mount?
[01:33] <ubuntu__> from terminal window?
[01:33] <sub[t]rnl>  <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/hda1 (or whatever its called)  /media/mountpoint (thatmust exist)
[01:34] <intelikey> sudo mkdir -p /mnt ;sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[01:34] <intelikey> like dat   ^
[01:35] <ubuntu__> said it could not find device
[01:35] <intelikey> and it's probably not a linux partition, it's probably an ms dos partition with a linux file system on it....
[01:35] <ubuntu__>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:35] <ubuntu__> /dev/sda1   *           1        9972    80100058+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:35] <ubuntu__> /dev/sda2            9973       18749    70501252+  83  Linux
[01:35] <ubuntu__> /dev/sda3           18750       19457     5687010    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[01:35] <ubuntu__> /dev/sda5           19104       19457     2843473+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[01:35] <ubuntu__> /dev/sda6           18750       19103     2843442   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[01:35] <sub[t]rnl> odd, /dev/sda2 looks good
[01:36] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl note he showed us the fdisk -l   not the error message.
[01:36] <sub[t]rnl> true
[01:36] <ubuntu__> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hda1
[01:36] <ubuntu__> mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:36] <ubuntu__> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda2
[01:36] <ubuntu__> mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/
[01:36] <intelikey> prolly says /dev/hda   never mind
[01:36] <intelikey> :)
[01:37] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[01:37] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ copy and paste into a terminal what intelikey posted
[01:37]  * intelikey wonders what part of "like this" is so hard???
[01:37] <intelikey> sudo mkdir -p /mnt ;sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[01:37] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ things will go smoother if you take our advice verbatim
[01:38] <ubuntu__> look like it mounted, what next
[01:39] <billytwowilly> Hi, the text installer doesn't see my partitions. It just shows me a disk device when I select manual. when I go to the command line and type fdisk -l I see them all. How do I make the installer see them?
[01:39] <intelikey> you still never told me what your issue is.   so i have no idea what you are trying to do            other than mount the fs....
[01:39] <Stratman4300> Anyone seen any good howtos for java plugin in64 it konqueror???
[01:39] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ error 15 in grub, grubs not pointing to the correct / partition
[01:39] <sub[t]rnl> he needs root (hd0,3) in his menu.lst
[01:40] <intelikey> ah ok.    you want to     sudo nano /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:40] <ubuntu__> looks like it mounted, what next
[01:40] <intelikey>                              ^
[01:41] <ubuntu__> I'm there and what  do I need to edit?
[01:41] <intelikey> use   ctrl+w  type in    kernel [enter]
[01:41] <ubuntu__> # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
[01:41] <ubuntu__> #            grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
[01:41] <ubuntu__> #            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
[01:41] <ubuntu__> #            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.
[01:42] <ubuntu__> ## default num
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # Set the default entry to the entry number NUM. Numbering starts from 0, and
[01:42] <intelikey> if the line starts with # press ctrl+v
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.
[01:42] <ubuntu__> #
[01:42] <sub[t]rnl> great..
[01:42] <intelikey> and stop flooding.
[01:42] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # You can specify 'saved' instead of a number. In this case, the default entry
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # is the entry saved with the command 'savedefault'.
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # WARNING: If you are using dmraid do not use 'savedefault' or your
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # array will desync and will not let you boot your system.
[01:42] <ubuntu__> default         0
[01:42] <ubuntu__> ## timeout sec
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry
[01:42] <ubuntu__> # (normally the first entry defined).
[01:42] <ubuntu__> timeout         10
[01:42] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[01:43] <sub[t]rnl> i'm just going to tell him
[01:43] <ubuntu__> what lines do I edit?
[01:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> he didn't just do what i think he did, did he?
[01:43] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ sed -i.bak '/^root/ c\root (hd0,3)' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:43] <sub[t]rnl> and your done
[01:43] <sub[t]rnl> reboot
[01:43] <intelikey> err actually ctrl+w enter    not ctrl+v  my bad.
[01:44] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl won't work if he's not root.
[01:44] <sub[t]rnl> :( sudo
[01:44] <sub[t]rnl> bah, need more coffee
[01:44] <intelikey> :)
[01:44] <intelikey> me too.
[01:44] <ubuntu__> do I just delete # where menu.lst is
[01:44] <intelikey> no
[01:45] <ubuntu__> not sure what to edit
[01:45] <intelikey> you find the kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6****   line and change the   root address
[01:45] <intelikey> use ^W
[01:45] <intelikey> use ^W
[01:45] <intelikey> use ^W
[01:45] <intelikey> maybe use ^w
[01:46] <intelikey> did you ever think of using ^w  ???
[01:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's ctrl+w, not ^ + w
[01:46] <intelikey> correct
[01:46] <intelikey> already said ^ up there.   but he was busy flooding us.
[01:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> well yes, and an interesting thing it was to walk into
[01:47] <intelikey> :)
 he didn't just do what i think he did, did he?  <<< only twice
[01:49] <sub[t]rnl> i thought this would have been a quick fix, but maybe I should have taken him through the grub shell install...
[01:49] <sub[t]rnl> :(
[01:50] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl :)     nothing is ever a quick fix with "where id my C:\"    you know.
[01:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: you have five seconds to tell me you're joking.
[01:50] <sub[t]rnl> yeh, editing files must be getting more difficult these days :P
[01:50] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop   ah   well
[01:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> because that's...  oh lord... *facepalm*
[01:51] <yasahiro> how does one view all files of a folder, including ones that start with a period..?
[01:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> yasahiro: ls -a
[01:51] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop   i guess you just as well get the "or else" ready...
[01:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> no or else.  the facepalm covered it :D
[01:51] <ubuntu__> still nt sure what to edit in menu.lst file
[01:52] <intelikey> yasahiro   in konq the "show hiden" switch in the menu    on the cli   ls -A     "or -a if you want . .. also"
[01:53] <ubuntu__> I have  /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[01:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> i think i've passed some transitional level of linuxdom.  i instantly assumed he was talking about the cli :\
[01:53] <intelikey> ubuntu__          root    (hd0,0)   -to-    root    (hd0,1)     just above it  ?
[01:54] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl did you say  (hd0,3) ???
[01:54] <sub[t]rnl> yes sir
[01:54] <intelikey> sda4 ?
[01:54] <ubuntu__> it shows root as (hd0,1)
[01:54] <intelikey> hda4 ?
[01:54] <sub[t]rnl> sda2 = hd0,3
[01:54] <intelikey> no
[01:55] <intelikey> backwards.
[01:55] <yasahiro> okay...
[01:55] <yasahiro> reason i asked...
[01:55] <ubuntu__> the kernel line reads /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[01:55] <yasahiro> theres a file named .xsession-errors in my home folder... thats 40GB...
[01:55] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ my bad, sda4 would be hd0,3, your right
[01:55] <intelikey> yasahiro ummm rm it
[01:56] <ubuntu__> need to change to hd0,3?
[01:56] <yasahiro> remove?
[01:56] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl you should have him check his device.map
[01:56] <intelikey> yasahiro yes.    might    tail it first to get the last error message    but yes rm it.
[01:57] <yasahiro> ...theres nothing in it
[01:57] <dthacker> hello, after yet another hard disk crash, I find myself needing to install Flash again.  Last time the (k)ubuntu package was broken.  What's the current best to to install the flash stuff for firefox?
[01:57] <intelikey> you can safely rm .xsession-errors   without adverse side affects
[01:57] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ you'll need root=/dev/sda2 in the kernel line, and above that   root (hd0,1)
[01:58] <intelikey> dthacker i think it's fixed now
[01:58] <dthacker> intelikey: really?  That would be so awesome.
[01:58] <intelikey> dthacker i "think" so yes.
[01:59] <dthacker> best place to check before borking the new install would be....?
[01:59] <ubuntu__> shows windows as root (hd0,0) and linuz root (hd0,1)
[01:59] <intelikey> dthacker it's still best to use apt-get on it because of the EULA thingy
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's fized.
[01:59] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ if your windows partition on /dev/sda1, then your all set
[01:59] <Stratman4300> what is the suggested way to get the Java Plugin working in 64 bit konqueror???
[01:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> fixed, too.
[02:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> Stratman4300: go back to 32 bit :)
[02:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> wait, you said suggested, not easiest
[02:00] <ubuntu__> what do I use to edit it
[02:00] <intelikey> so anyone know what   224.0.0.1  is ?
[02:00] <BluesKaj> !flash | dthacker
[02:00] <ubotu> dthacker: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:01] <Stratman4300> Daisuke_Laptop: yup...  suggested...  hehe.... i'd rather not go back to 32-bit
[02:01] <ahmad> hello gu help guys can you help me fix my wifi connection, i can't connect to any available wireless network
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> ubuntu__➜ kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst &
[02:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> Stratman4300: didn't we have this discussion before?
[02:01] <sub[t]rnl> !wireless > ahmad
[02:01] <intelikey> ubuntu__  nano is an editor.  you position the cursor and type.
[02:01] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop he was looking at it in nano as root.
[02:02] <Stratman4300> Daisuke_Laptop: Don't think so??
[02:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> Stratman4300: unless you're using 4gb
[02:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> + of ram, 64 bit offers minimal if any real improvement
[02:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> darn laptop enter key :(
[02:02] <BluesKaj> !Restricted
[02:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:02] <Stratman4300> Daisuke_Laptop: i am using 4gb of RAM   ;)
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> then, i can see why
[02:03] <Stratman4300> Daisuke_Laptop: hence why i'd rather not go backwards...  :D
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> mmmkay
[02:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> now, java in konqueror 64 bit
[02:03] <Dr_willis> with exactly 4gb of ram. You may or may not need 64bit to use it all....
[02:05]  * intelikey wants one of those new 2T ram jobs
[02:05] <yasahiro> another question..
[02:05] <yasahiro> how does one permanently delete a file, instead of moving it to the trash?
[02:05] <intelikey> yasahiro rm
[02:05]  * Daisuke_Laptop wants OMG $230 1TB HDD!  link link link spamspamspam *grmbl*
[02:05] <sparr_> ive got a bunch of kubuntu 6.10 discs that i dont need.  is there anywhere i can send them that would want them?
[02:06] <sparr_> yasahiro: shift+delete, just like every other OS
[02:06] <intelikey> or in konq you can enable an option to show delete or trash in the object menu
[02:06] <intelikey> for right click
[02:06] <BluesKaj> yasahiro, sudo rm -rf /folder/where/file/was/installed
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> sparr_: considered giving them to a school or something?
[02:07] <intelikey> sparr_ wasting "ship it"'s time and money are you ?
[02:07] <sparr_> intelikey: huh?
[02:07] <intelikey> nm
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: i did back when they were shipping breezy -_-
[02:07] <sparr_> Daisuke_Laptop: likely a waste if they dont want them
[02:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> so i help here to make up for it
[02:07] <jcg42> I'm trying to copy a CD in K3b. I want to use the same drive for copying and burning, but I don't get that option in the "Burn Medium" choices. It just says "Please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium...".
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> or try to help, i don't always succeed
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> sparr_: that's why you ask
[02:08] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop you too eeh
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> what was 5.04?
[02:08] <intelikey> ubuntu__ how is it comming ?
[02:08] <intelikey> ooops.
[02:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> was that warty or...
[02:09] <intelikey> no edgy
[02:09] <intelikey> warty was 5.4
[02:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> okay
[02:09] <intelikey> errr sory breezy
[02:09] <intelikey> no
[02:09] <intelikey> crap.  i forgot
[02:09] <intelikey> !release
[02:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:09] <sparr_> Daisuke_Laptop: too much work
[02:09] <intelikey> that link has the list ^
[02:10] <intelikey> the first one   iirc
[02:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> anyway, 5.04 was the release i got, so 2.5 years ago, almost 3.  and i ended up switching, so it must have worked out alright
[02:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> hoary
[02:11] <dthacker> I installed flashplugin-nonfree through adept, but youtube says my version is old and lacks mojo.  What should I try now?
[02:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> !flashplugin-nonfree
[02:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> i know it installs the latest version.  have you restarted firefox?
[02:12] <dthacker> nope, please stand by.... :)
[02:12]  * Daisuke_Laptop facepalms
[02:12] <intelikey> yeah hoary was the second release.   warty hoary breezy dapper edgy fiesty gutsy hardy
[02:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> ignoble, jocular, kawaii, luscious, motley, nefarious...  the list goes on and on
[02:13] <yasahiro> well
[02:14] <yasahiro> i did that
[02:14] <intelikey> i didn't ever run warty  but was kinda around while they were organizing it in the planing stages.
[02:14] <yasahiro> however... that 40GB is still being taken up, somewhere else...
[02:14] <intelikey> ran hoary and dapper so far.
[02:15] <BluesKaj> started with dapper
[02:16] <fidelio> hi everybody..new to the system and have a quick question on root password
[02:16] <oloughlin75> Every time I log on i get two kdesu boxes  -- one says its without arguments and the other says kde-windows-session-manager needs admin permissions
[02:16] <fidelio> any expert on the subject?
[02:16] <oloughlin75> fidelio: depends on what you consider advanced ;)
[02:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> i dual-booted windows and hoary, got rid of hoary, dual booted windows and sarge, got rid of sarge.  dual booted windows and dapper, got rid of dapper.  dual booted windows and edgy, got rid of windows.
[02:17] <intelikey> i am one of the strong voices (though probably not very influential) speaking for LTS also.   dialup does not allow grabbing a new iso every few months   nor net upgrades.
[02:17] <oloughlin75> whats you question?
[02:17] <intelikey> fidelio i know some.  what do you want to know.
[02:17] <oloughlin75> intelikey: your on dialup?!
[02:17] <intelikey> oloughlin75 yep.
[02:18] <oloughlin75> Daisuke_Laptop: Hopefully on purpose?
[02:18] <jcg42> I'm trying to copy a CD in K3b. I want to use the same drive for copying and burning, but I don't get that option in the "Burn Medium" choices. It just says "Please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium...".
[02:18] <fidelio> olo and intel: i am trying to setup the java resolution
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> oloughlin75: absolutely
[02:18] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop heh.
[02:18] <oloughlin75> Daisuke_Laptop: Good ! :D
[02:18] <dthacker> Daisuke_Laptop: firefox is happy.  It plays videos.  Konq is not.
[02:18] <fidelio> launcher is asking for root password....
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> fidelio: no it isn't
[02:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's asking for your password.
[02:18] <oloughlin75> fidelio: it is probbably your password to log on
[02:19] <intelikey> fidelio try your user passew
[02:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> edgy was about the point where i saw that i could do everything i needed
[02:19] <intelikey> passwd
[02:19] <fidelio> didn;t finis question...
[02:19] <oloughlin75> fidelio: finish it :D
[02:19] <intelikey> then don't hit enter   ;/
[02:20] <oloughlin75> the only time i venture into windows is usually for my zune and its easier to deal with media in it
[02:20] <oloughlin75> editing tags and organizing files.folders
[02:20] <fidelio> ok...the lancher is asking for su/root password.. I have setup with sudo passwd et ect. and I have one.  Why when I type it in the java console it does nto get accepted?
[02:20] <fidelio> it says user not authorized...
[02:21] <oloughlin75> fidelio: whats the java console?
[02:21] <intelikey> fidelio looks like your java is not setup for using sudo
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> what in the...  what are you doing?
[02:21] <fidelio> the launher
[02:21] <oloughlin75> fidelio: youll never need to manually launch the JVM
[02:21] <fidelio> launcher is installNC.sh
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> ?
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> oi
[02:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> fidelio: are you familiar with repositories?
[02:21] <fidelio> I don't . did i say manually?
[02:21] <fidelio> yes
[02:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> so what launcher is this?
[02:22] <intelikey> fidelio in another terminal     sudo passwd      set a root password   in the installer use the root password     then in the other terminal you can  sudo passwd -dl root
[02:23] <fidelio> I have done this  already and my root pw does not get recognised by the launcher.  this is for a vpn program..
[02:23] <intelikey> that "will NOT" fix jave to use sudo   but might get you to a point where you can fix it.    i don't like java, and don't mess with it.
[02:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> o_O
[02:24] <fidelio> I know I agree....I need this java to get to a vpn
[02:25] <moo_cow> are there binary packages to get kde4 or do i have to compile it from source??
[02:25] <oloughlin75> moo_cow: Which version are you using?
[02:25] <intelikey> !vpn | fidelio been here ?
[02:25] <ubotu> fidelio been here ?: From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[02:26] <moo_cow> oloughlin75: 7.10
[02:26] <BluesKaj> fidelio, sometime ppl end up with different versions of java installed on their systems , one way to sort it out is to choose the one that runs best , which is usually the latest. In the terminal : sudo update-alternatives --config java
[02:27] <unagi> ok i have quite a problem
[02:27] <intelikey> !java
[02:27] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[02:27] <oloughlin75> moo_cow: follow the instructions: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php
[02:27] <unagi> i added a couple of lines to my xorg, and my xserver hasnt loaded up but im not even getting an error
[02:27] <Dr_willis> this is why one normally backups such files. :)
[02:28] <intelikey> unagi startx ?
[02:28] <moo_cow> oloughlin75: :) thanks, you're great
[02:28] <sub[t]rnl> unagi➜ no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[02:28] <unagi> no screens found
[02:28] <sub[t]rnl> that'd be an error
[02:28] <k4ever> hi all, where can i find a k8 specific kernel?
[02:28] <intelikey> then you've missconfig'd'd'd it
[02:29]  * sub[t]rnl sips coffee
[02:29] <unagi> ah i found it
[02:29] <unagi> brb
[02:29] <unagi> how do i exit nano
[02:29] <unagi> i love irssi =)
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> sub[t]rnl » ahh don't turn into genii
[02:29] <intelikey> ^X
[02:29] <sub[t]rnl> nosrednaekim➜ muaha
[02:29] <intelikey> unagi see the bottom two lines of the nano screen
[02:30] <intelikey> unagi ^ is shorthand for ctrl
[02:30] <oloughlin75> Every time I log on i get two kdesu boxes  -- one says its without arguments and the other says kde-windows-session-manager needs admin permissions
[02:30] <k4ever> i just need the name of a repository
[02:30] <fidelio> ok...thank you all.
[02:30] <unagi> how do i close out other shells
[02:30] <intelikey> fidelio that fix you up   or are you going away mad ?
[02:31] <intelikey> fidelio don't go away mad.   do like the rest of us and stay here mad   :)))
[02:31] <fidelio> never mad...I have 24h of ubuntu 6.0....just started...
[02:31] <fidelio> I got sick of windows.
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » well, don't enter the password, and then go into system settings->advanced->sessions and save the current as default
[02:32] <yasahiro> i got sick of windows in a matter of 5 hours
[02:32] <intelikey> unagi ^C or ^D  ?
[02:32] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: should i close all the crap I have open so it doesnt load?
[02:32] <intelikey> yasahiro slow poke
[02:32] <fidelio> well...it is not easy to shift to unix...
[02:32] <Dr_willis> i found it easy to shift to linux
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » yeah
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> I never switched.. I grew up with it
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Then again - im not afraid to RTFM. :) and google.. and learn.. and  Ghasp... Think! :)
[02:33] <intelikey> fidelio first trick.   forget everything you know about computers.     that's the fastest way to learn linux
[02:33] <shaffy> can anyone tell me the command to delete all directories in a directory?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> fidelio,  Imporntant thing #2 about linux - it IS case SenSeStivE
[02:33] <biovore> rm -R
[02:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:33] <shaffy> all directories and files
[02:33] <biovore> rm -R
[02:33] <intelikey> shaffy and preserver the files or wipe out all ?
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> rm -R *
[02:33] <yasahiro> i had no problems with windows, until it all of a sudden, one day, wouldnt let me open any programs, and i ended up finding that every single file i had was infected with a virus
[02:33] <fidelio> I got alreasy both points in less than 24h
[02:34] <intelikey> rm -R .??* *
[02:34] <shaffy> intelikey:  no wipe out all files and directories
[02:34] <biovore> rm -R <directory>
[02:34] <Dr_willis> Linux tip #3 - be VERY carefull with wildcards/regular expressions to the various commands. :)
[02:34] <intelikey> nosrednaekim wont * skip the .files ?
[02:34] <biovore> no it doesn't
[02:34] <Dr_willis>  * will remove .files also i belive
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> intelikey » hum, I don't think so
[02:34] <biovore> * matches all
[02:34] <intelikey> Dr_willis test    echo *
[02:34] <Dr_willis> or am i thinking -RF
[02:35] <shaffy> i was thinking "sudo rm -R *.*"  but it didn't work
[02:35] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  that was tip #4
[02:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:35] <intelikey> biovore test    echo *
[02:35] <Dr_willis>  shaffy   that does not mean the same *.* as it does in windows
[02:35] <fidelio> well..thanks again and I see you soon..I am sure I will be back..I am planning to upgrade to ubuntu 8.0..any advise?
[02:35] <BluesKaj> yasahiro, yup, happened to a friend , but he still insists on using windows...the familiarity of the unadventurous
[02:35] <Dr_willis> using 2 *'s is often a bad idea. :)
[02:35] <intelikey> yes.
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> interesting... not it doesn't delete anything with a .!
[02:36] <intelikey> but .??* *   will get all in ./    if i'm not mistaken.
[02:36] <Dr_willis> ls *.*
[02:36] <Dr_willis>   shows ONLY files with a . in the name
[02:36] <intelikey> .??* *
[02:36] <yasahiro> well, i couldnt use windows anymore, i did a complete format / reinstall
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> ls -a does the same
[02:36] <yasahiro> it was still there
.<something files
[02:36]  * BluesKaj confesses to booting into windows once a week or so
[02:36] <intelikey> nosrednaekim but ls doesn't delete
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> BluesKaj: you traitor -_-
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> intelikey » I was refering to Dr_willis's "ls *.*"
[02:37] <Dr_willis> ls is a safer way to test your wildcards.. then rm :)
[02:37] <BluesKaj> rootkit ?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> but yeah... he's right.. i'm wonrg
[02:37] <intelikey> >>>                       rm -R .??* *
[02:37] <Dr_willis> echo *.*
[02:37] <yasahiro> not sure
[02:37] <intelikey> yeah echo
[02:37] <biovore> Dr_willis: the wild card is program dependent
[02:37] <shaffy> okay, thanks guys.  :)
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> BluesKaj: just teasing you, i still use windows software, i can't really say much
[02:38] <yasahiro> right when i started windows up, i couldnt open internet explorer, mspaint, or most others
[02:38] <shaffy> also, how can i get a the size of of a directory?
[02:38] <yasahiro> the very first startup
[02:38] <Dr_willis> biovore,  Huh? the things get expanede by BASH befor the command sees them.. Unless you quote them
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> shaffy » du -s DIR
[02:38] <Dr_willis> biovore, and ive inly seen a few tools that actually have their own 'wildcard' featires.
[02:38] <shaffy> thanks nosrednaekim
[02:38] <biovore> Dr_willis: perl and awk don't see it that way..
[02:38] <intelikey> du -chs blah       /me likes
[02:38] <Dr_willis> Thats a very big point. BASH expands them.    on the shell.
[02:39] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Laptop, yeah, I still use the scanner app in windows cuz my HP crappy scanner does better there.
[02:39] <Dr_willis> if you do some 'perlprogram *' it gets expanede by bash to be perlprogram whatever whatever2 whatever3   befor perl sees the command line.
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> really?  i found kooka was pretty darn good with my hp
[02:39] <biovore> so rm * dosn't get hidden files..
[02:39] <Dr_willis> biovore,  make a test dir and see. :)
[02:39] <intelikey> biovore no
[02:39] <intelikey> biovore    echo *
[02:40] <intelikey> biovore    echo .??* *
[02:40] <biovore> I am said it does get hidden files..
[02:40] <BluesKaj> maybe I'm doing some thing wrong with kooka Daisuke_Laptop , I dunno
[02:40] <Dr_willis> echo * dosent see them.. so i would think rm * wouldent see them either.
[02:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> BluesKaj: i never did anything even remotely high res though, so i dunno
[02:40] <intelikey> i use two ? because i don't want .. to be in the list.
[02:40] <biovore> (it dosn't I mean.. dam typos)
[02:40] <intelikey> ..* might backfire.
[02:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> besides, i replaced my PSC 1510 with a brother 5250dn
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj » xsame works pretty well with my HP scanner
[02:41] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  yep.. stumbled upon that little issue befor also. :)
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> *xsane
[02:41] <sub[t]rnl> "dam typos"
[02:41] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[02:41] <biovore> rm .* does remove hidden files in the current directory though..
[02:41] <BluesKaj> weel, I need it for scanning legal docs that are sometimes a little old and need more contrast and clarity than kooka can provide
[02:41] <_Angelus_> guys
[02:41] <_Angelus_> somebody knows an mp3 encoder/compressor for linux?
[02:42] <Dr_willis> i think thats because rm sees the . and .. and knows to not mess with them
[02:42] <Arwen> _Angelus_, lame
[02:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> _Angelus_: lame.
[02:42] <sub[t]rnl> _Angelus_➜ lame
[02:42] <_Angelus_> im lame?
[02:42] <_Angelus_> lol
[02:42] <_Angelus_> or the prog?
[02:42] <_Angelus_> :P
[02:42] <Dr_willis> !info lame
[02:42] <ubotu> lame (source: lame): LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.97-0.0 (gutsy), package size 268 kB, installed size 728 kB
[02:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> well that was unanimous
[02:42] <Dr_willis> and yes. :)
[02:42] <sub[t]rnl> lol
[02:42] <_Angelus_> lofl
[02:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> _Angelus_: you ripping cds?
[02:42] <_Angelus_> no
[02:42] <intelikey> biovore but as doc and me have been saying safty says don't use .*     because of regex .* will match everything including ../*
[02:42] <BluesKaj> !mp3
[02:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> or converting from some other format
[02:42] <_Angelus_> compressing mp3's for my mobile
[02:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahhh
[02:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah.  good luck with that :D
[02:42] <_Angelus_> i want to make em smaller
[02:43] <Arwen> AAC is still the best audio codec and AVC the best video codec :-)
[02:43]  * dthacker returns from two phone calls.
[02:43] <sub[t]rnl> _Angelus_➜ a bunch of them?
[02:43] <intelikey> _Angelus_ mp3 is already compressed
[02:43] <shaffy> can someone tell me how to make the ls command pause after each page of listings?
[02:43] <_Angelus_> intelikey: well i want it further compressed :P
[02:43] <sub[t]rnl> _Angelus_➜ find . -name '*.mp3' | while IFS= read f; do lame -V 9 "${f}" "$(dirname "$f")new$(basename "$f")"; done
[02:44] <yasahiro> well, thanks to my previous disk space problem..
[02:44] <BluesKaj> _Angelus_, you ears must love to be punshed
[02:44] <dthacker> OK, The flashplugin-nonfree lets the flaming fox play my football highlights.  Konqueror however, says I'm old and outdated.  How can I get konq to recognize the shiney new package.  (Yes, I did restart)
[02:44] <intelikey> wont save much.   but you might gain a little   better watch closely _Angelus_ i have seen compression tools make mp3's bigger rather than smaller.
[02:44] <yasahiro> my dolphin is giving me errors... "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/yasahiro/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml"
[02:44] <_Angelus_> intelikey:  my 42year old father made the size 712kB
[02:45] <_Angelus_> :P
[02:45] <intelikey> compression has to add data to the file.
[02:45] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ lame is one of those that will do that if your not careful
[02:45] <_Angelus_> but on win not on linux
[02:45] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl gzip will to
[02:45] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl or pkzip
[02:45] <shaffy> can someone tell me how to make the ls command pause after each page of listings?  there is too much for one screen.
[02:45] <sub[t]rnl> yasahiro➜ sudo chown -R $(whoami):$(whoami) ~/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/
[02:46] <dthacker> shaffy: ls | more
[02:46] <intelikey> shaffy pipe it through less    ls blah | less
[02:46] <intelikey> more !   more is less than less
[02:46] <intelikey> less is more than more.
[02:46] <BluesKaj> fewer
[02:46] <dthacker> :P
[02:47] <intelikey> more is sick in the head.   it's so 1980's
[02:47] <shaffy> lol
[02:47] <shaffy> thanks.  less seems to do the job well :)
[02:47] <sub[t]rnl> and if your more confused than when you entered the room, we've done our job
[02:47] <_Angelus_> is lame gui or cli?
[02:47] <Arwen> cli
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> lame is cli
[02:47] <oloughlin75> cli?
[02:47] <sparr_> "the kde mediamanager is not running"  <--  how do i start it?
[02:47] <intelikey> less is a real pager.   scrolls both ways   has search features   can page both dirrections....
[02:47] <sparr_> less is more!
[02:47] <oloughlin75> war is peace!
[02:47] <intelikey> less is so much more than more.
[02:48] <fidelio> I am back..maybe you can help if you can solve the following...when I type sudo passwd root I can change my root password..when I tpye su..it asks for a password and when i tpye the same one i just changed it says"su: authentication failure" this is the same message I am gettign with java...are root and su the same thing or not?????
[02:48] <sub[t]rnl> sparr_➜ hald?
[02:48] <_Angelus_> well i want a GUI prog not a CLI one
[02:48] <oloughlin75> whats the cli acronym? commad line interface?
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » yup
[02:48] <dthacker> intelikey: I'm so 1980's, but how about that Konqueror flash question? :)
[02:48] <Dr_willis> Cool Leet Interface
[02:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:49] <sparr_> sub[t]rnl: ive restarted hal to no avail
[02:49] <Dr_willis> fidelio,  that should be the same thing.
[02:49] <oloughlin75> Dr_willis: i take it your using bitchx?
[02:49] <fidelio> dr_willis..why it is not in my system? any idea?
[02:49] <intelikey> fidelio it is possable that they have screwed su on ubuntu     ls -l `which su`   to make sure it's not a symlink first    the use file  on it to make sure it's not a warper
[02:49] <K-Ryan> Question; Console command to change resolution?
[02:49] <Dr_willis> oloughlin75,  im on a dumb terminal using kermit over a  serial cable  and 300 baud mode,
[02:49] <sparr_> K-Ryan: xrandr
[02:49] <oloughlin75> 0_o
[02:50] <Dr_willis> fidelio,  no idea on that.  Try 'sudo passwd' again perhaps.
[02:50] <K-Ryan> sparr_: Thanks, writing that down finally...
[02:50] <dthacker> he's playing TradeWarz too.
[02:50] <intelikey> dthacker 64bit ?
[02:50] <moo_cow> i was messing with some of the settings and i messed up the widgets in kde 4. i didnt know what i was doing. how can i reset the widgets back to default?
[02:50] <dthacker> intelikey: nope.  32 bit
[02:50] <Dr_willis> fidelio,  i also used the same password for my user and the root user. :) so i cheated
[02:50] <intelikey> dthacker kde4 ?
[02:50] <dthacker> nope, kde3 on gutsy.
[02:51] <sub[t]rnl> K-Ryan➜ example 	xrandr --output VGA --mode 1600x1200
[02:51] <intelikey> dthacker the !flash   should walk you right through it then.
[02:51] <intelikey> !flash | dthacker
[02:51] <ubotu> dthacker: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:51] <dthacker> intelikey:  If I installed the plugin for ff, shouldn't it work for konq?
[02:51] <oloughlin75> dthacker: nope
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> moo_cow » run "rm .kde4/share/config/plasma*"
[02:52] <dthacker> bah.   load balancers are easier to configure than this......
[02:52] <intelikey> dthacker ummm oloughlin75 may know more about it than i do.   but i think the link ubotu said is what you want.
[02:53] <fidelio> intel: i am not sure i understand wht you mean..
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> fidelio » that has always worked for me (sudo passwd root)
[02:53] <intelikey>     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash       <<<
[02:53] <fidelio> nos: what is happens when you toy only su?
[02:54] <oloughlin75> dthacker:
[02:54] <oloughlin75> #
[02:54] <oloughlin75> Extra Step for Konqueror. In Konqueror, click Settings → Configure Konqueror. Scroll down the side to Plugins. Click Scan for new plugins
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> fidelio » oh here we go.... run "sudo passwd"... that will work
[02:54] <intelikey> fidelio cli commands#    ls -l `which su` ;file `which su`
[02:54] <dthacker> well, I fell sheepish!  baaaaaaaaaa
[02:55] <fidelio> nos..I knwo it works...i already done...the question is why does not work when I type su?...
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » whew.... how long have you been using linux?
[02:55] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: week? why?
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> fidelio » if you do sudo passwd instead of sudo passwd root, su will work
[02:55] <shaffy> does anyone know if there is a minimal install cd for kubuntu?  or is just ubuntu?
[02:55] <intelikey> nosrednaekim oh, oh, ask me, ask me...
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » haha.... usually we don't have as quick of turn arounds from being helped to helping people... its a good thing :)
[02:56] <fidelio> third attempt...nos: it does not work on my cpu....this is my proble,
[02:56] <Dr_willis> nosrednaekim,  i dont see the logic of that either.. :)    but my system works.. heh heh
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> intelikey » oh... please do tell the class how long you have been abusing linux?
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> fidelio » what?
[02:56]  * Dr_willis stands up and says.. Hello , My name is Willis.. and im a Linux Addict...
[02:57] <dthacker> oloughlin75: the pluginviewer keeps crashing.
[02:57] <sub[t]rnl> hi Dr_willis
[02:57] <dthacker> hi Dr Willis
[02:57]  * nosrednaekim gives Dr_willis detention
[02:57] <oloughlin75> dthacker: konq kind of sucks :/ nosrednaekim knows what do to ;)
[02:58]  * nosrednaekim sends Dr_willis with a note to the principal about his usage of performance enhancing substances
[02:58] <dthacker> Kubuntu is a performance enhancing substance
[02:58]  * intelikey stands up and says,  i've been a linux junkey $((`date -S` - 4380216))
[02:58] <Dr_willis> nosrednaekim,  i gotta get some more Caffinated Soap!
[02:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:59] <dthacker> brb, going to restart my session to see if kong feels better....
[02:59] <oloughlin75> sweet dreMS ARE MADE OF THIS
[02:59] <Dr_willis> well i have to go to work.......
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> intelikey » meh... I don't feel like translating that
[03:01] <oloughlin75> what is it?
[03:01] <fidelio> intel:
[03:01] <fidelio> ~# ls -| which su;file which su
[03:01] <fidelio> /bin/su
[03:01] <fidelio> ls: -: No such file or directory
[03:01] <fidelio> which: ERROR: cannot open `which' (No such file or directory)
[03:01] <fidelio> su:    ERROR: cannot open `su' (No such file or directory)
[03:03] <intelikey> daz cause you edited my post.
[03:03] <intelikey> the ` marks are there for a reason
[03:03] <intelikey> and there was no pipe in it
[03:03] <fidelio> as I said...started 24h ago...will try again
[03:04] <intelikey> ls -l `which su`;file `which su`
[03:04] <dthacker> Ok, I'm back,  I ran the plugin scan, but now nspluginviewer crashes everytime I click on a video in konq
[03:04] <intelikey> tty2 [greg$dell.~] ls -l `which su`;file `which su`
[03:05] <intelikey> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 24008 Dec  7  1941 /bin/su
[03:05] <intelikey>  /bin/su: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped
[03:05] <intelikey> you should get something like that from it   ^
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> dthacker » the latest version of flash is, AFAIK, broken for konqueror because of something adobe changed
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> dthacker » just use firefox for flash
[03:06] <dthacker> nosrednaekim: ok, just like to have more than one
[03:06] <intelikey> dillo
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> for flash?
[03:07] <oloughlin75> dthacker: flash works great in firefox
[03:07] <intelikey> well maybe not.   it don't have java built in does it...
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> it doesn't have anything built in...can't even handle CSS afaik
[03:08] <intelikey> !info dillo
[03:08] <ubotu> dillo (source: dillo): Small and fast web browser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.5-4.1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 354 kB, installed size 956 kB
[03:08] <intelikey> it's less than 1m installed
[03:08] <intelikey> :)
[03:08] <sub[t]rnl> i use konqueror exclusively and have never seen a flash problem.
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. tis awesome
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> sub[t]rnl » you sir are very lucky
[03:09] <sub[t]rnl> apt-show-versions |grep flash shows flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115.0ubuntu0.7.10
[03:09] <Xbehave> i want to replace the default powermanager aplet with kpowersave, is there a guide to doing this?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> Xbehave » yes, remove the default power applet and tell it not to start on login, then start kpowersave
[03:10] <wad> I just installed kubuntu on a new computer. The audio is all messed up, though. I run supertux, and it sounds all awful, with lots of ticks and hiccups in it. Also, the volume control on the bottom right doesn't have any effect. What's wrong?
[03:11] <Xbehave> nosrednaekim: it doesnt ask to not start at login
[03:11] <wad> !nonfree
[03:11] <ubotu> When we use the term 'non-free', we mean that it is not Open Source. Software that is not open source cannot be fixed or improved by anyone except the software authors -- which is not us :(
[03:12] <sub[t]rnl> Xbehave➜ another way, sudo mv /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager{,.backup} then link the new one in your ~/.kde/Autostart dir
[03:12] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: whats there to use in place of alsaconf in *buntu?
[03:12] <fidelio> intel: ls-|`which su`;file `which su`
[03:12] <fidelio> bash: ls-: command not found/bin/su: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped root@fidelio-laptop:/home/fidelio#
[03:12] <sub[t]rnl> fidelio➜ copy and paste is your friend
[03:13] <fidelio> ?
[03:13] <sub[t]rnl> (cause your still mangling intels command)
[03:13] <sub[t]rnl> -l != -|
[03:13] <intelikey> say i was having an issue with trying to use the exit in "gah know me"   it kept hanging with error message "dbus message bus not running  \n you need to start the message bus befor powermanager can launch \n it is HIGHLY RECOMENDED that you restart your computer after starting dbus"    (not verbatum but the jest of it.)        does anyone know how to totally disable power manager in gnome ?
[03:14] <Xbehave> thx
[03:14] <intelikey> fidelio that's nice.      told you there is no pipe in the strang i posted.
[03:14] <sub[t]rnl> strang :D
[03:14] <intelikey> and you keep removing spaces too.
[03:15] <fidelio> we need a linux more flexible...:)))
[03:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> wait wait what?
[03:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> we need...  a more flexible linux?
[03:15] <intelikey> linux is probably the most flexable OS in existance
[03:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> let's put this in comic book metaphors
[03:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> windows is the thing
[03:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> linux is like...  reed richards
[03:16] <sub[t]rnl> +1 nerd points to Daisuke_Laptop
[03:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> woohoo!
[03:16] <oloughlin75> linux isnt flexible as in its VERY easy to break
[03:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's not what flexible means though
[03:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's easy to break a bone, but that doesn't mean your body as a whole isn't flexible
[03:17] <Arwen> yes it is
[03:17] <Arwen> flexible means easily bent
[03:17] <intelikey> linux is all about freedom.   and as such has more ways to get from point-A to point-42 than any other OS i know of.
[03:17] <oloughlin75> its a use :)
[03:17] <Arwen> if something breaks, it hasn't bended
[03:17] <oloughlin75> easily bent but not broken
[03:17] <Arwen> anyway, GAH, firefox3 spams some kind of url-suggester in the location bar
[03:17] <intelikey> oloughlin75 linux is only easy to break because it is flexable.
[03:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: and it can be easily "bent", or configured to do pretty much whatever you want
[03:17] <Arwen> and there's no option to turn it off
[03:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: not a fan of it myself
[03:17] <sub[t]rnl> listen, I'll sum up linux with a pic http://azurehat.com/scrapbook/hello/2245815/1024/orchid-flexibility-ad-2005.09.04-19.19.50.jpg
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » alsaconf? the file?
[03:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's basically a built-in history search :\
[03:18] <oloughlin75> intelikey: linux is only fragile begause it is inflexible :)
[03:18] <intelikey> oloughlin75 most of what you call "break" is only bent anyway
[03:18] <Arwen> not cool
[03:18] <Arwen> Daisuke_Laptop, the main issue is that it's too large :-\
[03:18] <intelikey> oloughlin75 it's not fragile.
[03:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: i agree, large bold type...  i don't want everyone within a 10-foot radius knowing what sites i've been to
[03:19] <oloughlin75> i ocnsider losing all GUI and dropping to the console fragile when im used to windows :) im not completely comfortable in the command line yet
[03:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> get comfortable
[03:19] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop heh.  then don't go to those kind of sites!
[03:19] <oloughlin75> lol
[03:19] <Arwen> oloughlin75, deal with it
[03:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: i just use opera for that sort of browsing
[03:20] <Arwen> command-lines are a fact of life
[03:20] <oloughlin75> Arwen: am i=on linux aren i? :D
[03:20] <intelikey> oloughlin75 i don't consider not having a gui any hinderance at all.
[03:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> oloughlin75: it's not windows, and the cli has saved my butt on more than one occasion
[03:20] <Arwen> (Ubuntu does need to set up console framebuffers though, 640x480 = nothing to see here, move along)
[03:20] <Arwen> why aren't fbs on by default is the real question
[03:21] <intelikey> Arwen NO!
[03:21] <Arwen> hmm?
[03:21] <intelikey> Arwen the use of fbcon has been the source of more install issues than every other issue added togather.
[03:22] <sub[t]rnl> Arwen➜ head -n 3 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer
[03:22] <sub[t]rnl> at least thats their reasoning
[03:22] <Arwen> yeah, and their reasoning is BROKEN
[03:22] <fidelio> Intel: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 24008 2006-07-11 05:51 /bin/su /bin/su: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped root@fidelio-laptop:/home/fidelio#
[03:22] <sub[t]rnl> i agree with you.
[03:22] <intelikey> Arwen what ubuntu needs to do is make it easy for the user to setup fbcon  and not configure it at all for them.
[03:22] <oloughlin75> whats used in place of alsaconf in *buntu?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> fidelio » did you try running "sudo passwd" yet?
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » the file?
[03:23] <Arwen> oh, but I did try to use radeonfb. It doesn't work (TM).
[03:23] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: the program
[03:23] <Newbuntu2> can anyone help me with VNC? If I try to open synaptic manager, or wait a few minutes, it freezes my linux box...
[03:23] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: scans your hardware an apokues the right driver
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » wasn't aware there was such a program.... alsamixer?
[03:23] <oloughlin75> applies
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » hum... can you get it
[03:23] <oloughlin75> no, its not inclused in buntu
[03:23] <Arwen> alsamixer is a curses-based mixer...
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> !search alsaconf
[03:23] <ubotu> Found:
[03:23] <intelikey> Arwen fbcon is like dragons.  not really made to be trifeled with.    and not for the faint of heart.
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> !info alsaconf
[03:23] <ubotu> Package alsaconf does not exist in gutsy
[03:24] <oloughlin75> but it does exist in the official alsa-utils
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup"
[03:24]  * Arwen is looking forward to the improved vesafb in kernel 2.6.24. w00t, custom modes.
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » thats odd, and you would know cause you compliled from source :)
[03:25] <oloughlin75> yep
[03:25] <intelikey> and trying to automate a setup for all the thousands of known facets of frame buffering and the quickly comming with each new gfx card, thousands of additional facets...  well it's stupid.  imo
[03:25] <inaety> whenever i try to watch a dvd on kaffeine it tells me there is no plugin to handle dvd://
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[03:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: i could have sworn i said that the other day.  told you it was an awesome line :)
[03:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> (the dragon thing)
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[03:26] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:26] <unagi> does anyone here happen to run maya on kde?
[03:26] <inaety> nosrednaekim: i have libdvdcss2 installed. sorry i forgot to mention
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> inaety » do you have libdvdread installed?
[03:26] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop yes you mentioned it.  and someone has a quit message with a simular quote too
[03:26] <inaety> nosrednaekim: yes.  and something interesting just happened.  mplayer nor kaffeine works. but dragon player works
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> well, dragon player for teh win then :)
[03:27] <cicero123> hello room
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> hey cicero123
[03:27] <inaety> nosrednaekim: haha.  but i like kaffeine.  it's my favourite
[03:27] <cicero123> nosrednaekim: hey
[03:27] <inaety> nosrednaekim: and i just want things to work.
[03:27] <unagi> i have a 3d animation program that when i run in kde, instead of rotating when i click in a blank area of the rotate tool, it tries to select instead of rotating, does anyone know why it could be doing this?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> inaety » yeah, so do I. I wonder why its saying that.
[03:27] <intelikey> fidelio sorry i was ranting.  but yes that's the problem.  "Intel: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 24008 2006-07-11 05:51 /bin/su "  <<<< not suid
[03:28] <inaety> nosrednaekim: do you want the mplayer error?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> inaety » why not :)
[03:28] <cicero123> is sun java 6 an essential program?
[03:28] <oloughlin75> cicero123: only if you have java programs
[03:28] <intelikey> fidelio what that means in newbish terms.  is the permissions bit is incorrect.
[03:28] <inaety> nosrednaekim: failed to open dvd://1
[03:29] <oloughlin75> cicero123: some web programs require java to run
[03:29] <oloughlin75> cicero123: not that many though
[03:29] <cicero123> oloughlin75:  okay. i dl with the firewall prog
[03:29] <cicero123> *it dl-ed with the firewall program
[03:29] <oloughlin75> then its needed
[03:30] <fidelio> Intel: how do I fix this?
[03:30] <unagi> nevermind i fixed ity
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> inaety » uhh I guess permissions are ok too if dragon player works
[03:30] <cicero123> do i need an anit-virus with uuntu?
[03:30] <sub[t]rnl> fidelio➜ sudo chmod u+s /bin/su
[03:30] <inaety> nosrednaekim: yeah i also tried running kaffeine in root
[03:30] <intelikey> fidelio if you want to try to fix it, run this verbatum #          sudo chmod 4755 /bin/su
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> cicero123 » nope
[03:30] <cicero123> :)
[03:30] <oloughlin75> never
[03:31] <sub[t]rnl> now whats really interesting, is when you start seeing new suid programs pop up (ruh roh)
[03:31] <sub[t]rnl> :>
[03:31] <unagi> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-unagi" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. Error: "/tmp/ksocket-unagi" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[03:31] <unagi> what does that mean
[03:31] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl yeah.
[03:31] <sub[t]rnl> hehe
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> unagi » probably kdesudo errors
[03:31] <sub[t]rnl> then its time to bring down the network...
[03:31] <unagi> which means what nosrednaekim
[03:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> unagi: it means that those inodes are owned by user id 1000 rather than user id 0
[03:31] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl then it's time to pull the eth cable and start examining things closely.
[03:31] <sub[t]rnl> roger that
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> unagi » is something not working?
[03:31] <unagi> Daisuke_Laptop: and that would be fixed how
[03:32] <cicero123> one last question. i get hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 error when i click on one of my ntfs disks. how do i fix that?
[03:32] <unagi> nosrednaekim: no they just pop up randomly
[03:32] <gtt> !flash
[03:32] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> unagi: it means don't use sudo for gui programs
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> cicero123 » modify the mount permissions in system settings->advacned disks and partitions
[03:32] <unagi> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171 what does this mean
[03:32] <sub[t]rnl> intelikey➜ i keep find . -type f -a \( -perm -2000 -o -perm -4000 \) -print on a cron with diff
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> cicero123 » if that doesn't work, run "sudo chmod a+rw mountpoint"
[03:33] <unagi> Daisuke_Laptop: so if im not suppose to use sudo for kate how do i edit files
[03:33] <oloughlin75> unagi: kdesu kat /file/
[03:33] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl but that is easily circumvented with chmod 5*** 6*** or 7*** blah
[03:34] <oloughlin75> unagi: kdesu kate /file/
[03:34] <unagi> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171 what does this mean
[03:34] <sub[t]rnl> yeh :/
[03:34] <cicero123> nosrednaekim:  what do i modify the permissons to? or is it easier to sudo?
[03:34] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl i would have pointed out 3 but i don't cound sgid that big of a deal
[03:34] <Xbehave> how do i fix this? "FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko)"
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> cicero123 » modify the moun permissions to mountable by all
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> ok, have to go.... later all.
[03:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> unagi: that means absolutely nothing
[03:35] <oloughlin75> c ya nosrednaekim
[03:35] <intelikey> fidelio is     su     working now ?
[03:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> it means it's looking for a wacom tablet and isn't seeing one.  if you don't have one, no worries
[03:36]  * intelikey thinks "he better say yes"
[03:36] <cicero123> nosrednaekim:  "any user may enable/disable at any time"?
[03:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you DO, then there could be issues
[03:36] <cicero123> sigh.
[03:36] <cicero123> lol
[03:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> cicero123: how many people use the machine, really
[03:37] <intelikey> Daisuke_Laptop that ^ doesn't require root perms ?
[03:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: ... sure
[03:37] <cicero123> it wants to create a mountpoint named <mountpoint>
[03:37] <intelikey> sorry  not @ you
 nosrednaekim <<< ^ that ^ doesn't require root perms ?
[03:38] <cicero123> Daisuke_Laptop: i dont know, sorry. i know enough to be dangerous.
[03:39] <cicero123> 2 people use this machine.
[03:39] <cicero123> but i would be the only one accessing that drive from linux. others would access it with either win2k or vista
[03:39] <cicero123> on different machines
[03:40] <Xbehave> !speedstep
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speedstep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <cicero123> it created a mountpoint called <mountpoint> and now it cant find the drive
[03:45] <cicero123> i am going to run the sudo command. i dont understand it but sudo seems to work better than the filesettings gui....
[03:45] <intelikey> cicero123 terminal command      mount | grep '<'
[03:46]  * intelikey wonders if that "pointy clicky thingy" has really mounted on <mountpoint>
[03:47] <cicero123> intelikey: k.
[03:47] <oloughlin75> woww...
[03:47] <oloughlin75> i know this is off topic but:
[03:47] <oloughlin75> The Department of Agriculture on Sunday announced by far the largest recall of beef in history, calling for the return of 143 million pounds of ground beef from a California slaughterhouse that supplies school lunch programs.
[03:47] <oloughlin75> The acknowledgment came after the Humane Society of the United States distributed an undercover video on Jan. 30 that showed workers kicking sick cows and using forklifts and electric shocks to force them to walk.
[03:48] <intelikey> oloughlin75 people will do anything for the camera if you pay them enough...   ;/
[03:48]  * sub[t]rnl sets down his quiznos
[03:49] <oloughlin75> electric shocks to get a cow to move to feed to your famils :/
[03:49] <cicero123> intelikey: wow. okay. directory for the disk is downloading....
[03:49] <intelikey> cicero123 ?
[03:50] <intelikey> cicero123 heh you got that from that command ?
[03:50] <cicero123> intelikey: it froze. now i am getting Failed to mount '/dev/hdc1': Permission denied.
[03:50] <thechris> oloughlin75: well, they don't need to do a recall, just transfer the beef to taco bell...
[03:51] <intelikey> oloughlin75 and cattle prood was invented to get cows to move.   and hogs too.
[03:51] <intelikey> far better than beating them.
[03:52] <oloughlin75> lol
[03:52]  * intelikey is omiting the "sick" portion of that post on purpose.
[03:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> ugh...  so it turns out i may actually be able to switch mom over to linux
[03:52] <shazow_> Hiya, my sound in lash isn't working in Firefox (3.0) ever since I did a fresh install.  I have two sound cards, /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2, I tried setting /etc/firefox/firefoxrc's FIREFOX_DSP="aoss", "auto" and "no" but no help... any ideas what else I could try?
[03:52] <shazow_> *Flash
[03:53] <intelikey> shazow_ point it at alsa ?
[03:53] <fidelio> intel: sorry i got log out after logging to my vpn...but this is another problem...
[03:53] <cicero123> from the gui
[03:53] <cicero123> from dolphin when i try to mount it
[03:53] <shazow_> intelikey: no luck...
[03:54] <cicero123> intelikey: from dolphin when trying to mount it
[03:54] <intelikey> shazow_ i'll pass then.   someone else will have to step in on that.
[03:54] <shazow_> i'm getting this output from firefox stdout when i view a flash video: http://pastebin.com/m3397bdbf
[03:54] <oloughlin75> cicero123: richt click in dolphin -> properties -> uncheck mount as user
[03:54] <intelikey> cicero123 can you pastebin the fstab file for me ?
[03:56]  * intelikey liked the quote "the only place for dolphin is in cans of tuna"
[03:56] <surgy> im looking for a 2d tile map editor for linux, no gimp wont do, anyone have any suggestions?
[03:56] <cicero123> intelikey: when i use ---> sudo chmod a+rw mountpoint from yakuake it just goes to the next line with an empty command prompt
[03:57] <intelikey> no error means no error
[03:57] <cicero123> intelikey: what command do i use to get the fstab file?
[03:58] <oneeyedelf1> is there an easy way to install vmware server 2?
[03:58] <intelikey> cicero123 cat /etc/fstab
[03:58] <intelikey> oneeyedelf1 is the server free ?
[03:59] <intelikey> !vmware | oneeyedelf1 the player is...
[03:59] <ubotu> oneeyedelf1 the player is...: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:59] <cicero123> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56444/
[03:59] <intelikey> looking
[04:00] <oneeyedelf1> player won't do, and the server is in the partner repositories, but it is only the 1.04 build, same version I currently have
[04:00] <oloughlin75> oneeyedelf1: compile from source?
[04:00] <intelikey> cicero123 oh my.  you did make it do  <mount\040point>    hehe.
[04:00] <oneeyedelf1> oloughlin75: yeah
[04:01] <oneeyedelf1> I had to, the repos wouldn't install, it hung
[04:01] <cicero123> intelikey: i dont know...
[04:01] <intelikey> cicero123   kdesudo kate /etc/fstab    and fix that.   you don't want any redirrects in there   i.e.  <>|
[04:01] <cicero123> intelikey: sorry. i am just learning this stuff. one week and a couple of days.
[04:02] <intelikey> cicero123 we're patient.  just hang in there.
[04:02] <sub[t]rnl> i'm not!
[04:03] <cicero123> intelikey: hehe. i really like the system, and you guys have been great.
[04:03] <intelikey> cicero123 change the word   <mount\040point>   to  /media/hdc1
[04:03] <cicero123> intelikey: fstab- kate came up with a bunch of stuff
[04:04] <intelikey>  kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[04:04] <intelikey> change the word   <mount\040point>   to  /media/hdc1
[04:04] <intelikey> save and exit.
[04:05] <intelikey> err actually  line 11 #   " /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 "   should probably read   " /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,sync 0 0 "
[04:06] <cicero123> intelikey: keen. kate is a text editor. (didnt mean to be so dense.lol)
[04:06] <intelikey> :)
[04:07] <intelikey> cicero123 you probably only have about 8 or 9 text editors installed at the moment.  and that assumes you only have kubuntu-desktop   not multiple desktop env's
[04:08] <cicero123> intelikey:  can' have enough text editors. lol
[04:08] <intelikey> trival and OT     but i usually am.
[04:08] <cicero123> intelikey: k. i replaced line 11.
[04:08] <oloughlin75> OT?
[04:09] <intelikey> you did edit line 12 also
[04:09] <intelikey> !ot
[04:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:09] <oloughlin75> oo
[04:09] <cicero123> intelikey: okay, i am still getting permission denied errors when trying to mount the hard drive from dolphin.
[04:09] <intelikey> oloughlin75 so you can see that i usually am...
[04:10] <intelikey> cicero123 close it and reopen it.   maybe
[04:11] <intelikey> cicero123 heck.  even reset xorg just to make sure all env stuff is reset.     close all windows and   ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:11] <cicero123> oops the error is from the kio_media_mounter. it reads:  Error opening partition device: Permission denied Failed to mount '/dev/hdc1': Permission denied
[04:12] <oloughlin75> cicero123: sudo -command-
[04:12] <oloughlin75> cicero123: for whatever you just did
[04:12] <intelikey> no  not in kio oloughlin75
[04:12] <intelikey> especally not sudo
[04:12] <cicero123> trying to get a ntfs hard drive to mount
[04:13] <cicero123> intelikey: k. i will reboot. bbiab.
[04:14] <intelikey> ok.  but i didn't say reboot.
[04:14] <cicero123> intelikey: sorry. i misunderstood
[04:14] <intelikey> do how you want to.   i only mentioned resetting xorg  not the whole system
[04:14] <cicero123> intelikey: i hit cntrl+alt+backspace.
[04:15] <intelikey> cicero123 oh.  kde4.    umm   sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[04:15] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[04:16] <yasahiro> ?dm... thats.. interesting...
[04:17] <oloughlin75> does kd4 break all the system settings things in kde4?
[04:17] <oloughlin75> kde4 kde3*
[04:17] <unagi> ?dm restart doesnt work for me
[04:17] <intelikey> yasahiro why so ?     using ? for a cli wildcard for any single char started in the 1980's
[04:18] <intelikey> unagi not using a dm eeh ?
[04:18] <unagi> um
[04:18] <unagi> kdm
[04:18] <intelikey> then it should work.   you sure you sudid it ?   sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[04:19] <oloughlin75> lol why not use *?
[04:19] <unagi> how different is unix from linux
[04:19] <intelikey> oloughlin75 cause * matches things i don't want to match.    echo /etc/init.d/?dm      and then  echo /etc/init.d/*dm   and you'll see
[04:20] <unagi> !unix
[04:20] <ubotu> UNIX is an operating system created in the '70s, which has many direct derivates and inspired systems like Minix and !Linux. Most "UNIX-style" systems try to somewhat adhere to the POSIX standard.
[04:21] <intelikey> unagi there are large differances.   like brother and sister  twins
[04:21] <unagi> is unix all text or gui based
[04:21] <intelikey> a lot alike   a lot different
[04:21] <intelikey> unagi no
[04:21] <student> people)
[04:21] <student__> денис лох
[04:21] <intelikey> !ru
[04:21] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[04:21] <unagi> no to both?
[04:22] <intelikey> unagi yes no to both.  you did not supply an otpion for "has both"
[04:22] <student> мы вообще где ?:)
[04:22] <unagi> the question was is unix text based....or is unix gui based
[04:22] <unagi> if it isnt either then what is it, punch cards?
[04:23] <intelikey> unagi you said "is unix all text or gui based"   the answer to that is "NO"   it's textbased with several gui's
[04:23] <intelikey> unagi much like linux
[04:24] <intelikey> cicero123 report ?
[04:24] <cicero123> reHello the computer locked up. i had to manually shut it off after that command. lol. but everything is running 3X faster and the drive is mounted. :)
[04:25] <oloughlin75> good :D
[04:25] <intelikey> cicero123 ummm   probably an issue with disk i/o   on <mount%20point>   which is a really bad idea. :)
[04:25] <cicero123> intelikey: i dont think the slumber, and shut off settings work right. but the system is running much faster and i can access the drive. :)
[04:26] <intelikey> cicero123 ok if you are finished with me for a while.  i have other things to attend.
[04:26] <cicero123> intelikey: thanx again, intelikey
[04:27] <intelikey> shalom !
[04:27] <cicero123> thank you everyone. :)
[04:28] <mefisto__> how do I autoidentify with konversation? what do I put in under "service" ? "/msg nicserv identify" ?
[04:28] <mefisto__> *nickserv
[04:28] <oloughlin75> mefisto__: i think all you do is add a password to your server and itll identify you
[04:29] <oloughlin75> edit the server and add the password
[04:29] <mefisto__> oloughlin75: there's a "service" field and a "password" field
[04:29] <DeVa> i'am sorry. wher we are   ? ))
[04:29] <no0tic> mefisto__, service NickServ, password, your password
[04:30] <DeVa> people, we just student) help us))
[04:30] <oloughlin75> DeVa: what?
, we are russian students)
[04:32] <oloughlin75> !ru
[04:32] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[04:32] <Thecks> Pretty!
[04:38] <Berzerker> can linux read a FAT32 drive on a GUID partition scheme?
[04:38] <oneeyedelf1> Is there a program I can install to control the guidance cpu throttling?
[04:38] <oneeyedelf1> someitmes I wanna turn it off
[04:39] <oloughlin75> oneeyedelf1: on  laptop, right click the battery and change the cpu policy
[04:39] <oneeyedelf1> not on a laptop
[04:39] <oloughlin75> not sure than :/
[04:40] <Berzerker> anyone?
[04:40] <oloughlin75> Berzerker: i think it can
[04:40] <student> !ru
[04:40] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[04:40] <oneeyedelf1> drats
[04:42] <kiosk> kubuntu rocks!
[04:43] <Tw|sT> yeah, it really does
[04:43] <Tw|sT> I dig it too, hardcore like
[04:44] <Tw|sT> I've been deploying it like mad
[04:44] <kiosk> does gusty kernel come with IPX support?
[04:44] <kiosk> or do I need to make a special one
[04:44] <kiosk> I am just a home user
[04:45] <kiosk> But I am going to set up my family and friends with it if they let me. . .
[04:45] <Tw|sT> kiosk: , have you ran a google search for 'Ubuntu IPX' ?
[04:45] <kiosk> Tw|sT: I'll give that a try
[04:46] <Tw|sT> it'll probably be the quickest way to that answer.  that's what I always check first, then if in doubt, I check here.
[04:47] <mefisto_>  I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? Do I just reinstall the standard ati driver from repos? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[04:47] <soldanr> hey guys, I am having trouble using the ntfs-3g package, it installs but I can't mount the drive
[04:47] <Tw|sT> kiosk : also as around #Ubuntu, since both Ubuntu & Kubutu are at their core the same OS.
[04:47] <Tw|sT> kiosk : err, ask, I mean... heh
[04:48] <Tw|sT> not as
[04:48] <Tw|sT> anyways
[04:49] <Tw|sT> The major differences are the desktop environment loadouts and the desktop managers that are loaded by default for each.  Personally, I prefer to install Synaptic Package Manager, then both the KDE & Gnome Metapackages.  This gives me a full environment to start with, which I customize to need per system from there.
[04:49] <kiosk> Tw|sT: did i type the pm correctly for IRC?  (in red?)
[04:50] <Tw|sT> kiosk : try /query Tw|sT
[04:50] <Tw|sT> that'll open a separate message window
[04:52] <kiosk> Tw|sT: says I'm blocked because I'm not registered.  Neat though.  I should register so I can use that
[04:53] <Tw|sT> Hmm...  yeah.  just register your nick thru nickserv.  should be something like /msg nickserv register yourchoiceofpassword youremailaddress
[04:54] <Tw|sT> atleast that's what it is on the network I run, which uses a platform nearly identicle to freenode's
[04:54] <Tw|sT> they use Hyperion IRCD, I use UnrealIRCD.  Not sure what they use as far as services though, but I use espernet IRC services.
[04:55] <Tw|sT> I run them on a 64bit AMD system running Kubuntu x64
[04:55] <Tw|sT> It's mostly local techs, but we have a few international users
[04:56] <Tw|sT> Sorta a small technical community
[04:56] <Tw|sT> we use teamspeak in combination with IRC when we have to do any kinda massive collaboration... and sometimes Video chat.
[05:01] <DeVa> !ru
[05:01] <ubotu> Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[05:05] <default_op> hi  all.   What's the difference between firefox and ubufox?
[05:05] <default_op> which is faster?
[05:06] <default_op> also do others get slow downs when firefox displays flash sections?  like youtube images before you press to watch
[05:06] <yasahiro> does anybody know if the iBasso D1 is compatible with kubuntu?
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> default_op: yeah, flash uses a ton of CPU even when it's not playing the video it's usually got something goin on.
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> you really notice it on a laptop where the CPU steps up as needed, don't leave a youtube video sitting idle while you're on battery.
[05:09] <default_op> LeeJunFan: thanks I thought it maybe my own problem.
[05:09] <mefisto_> default_op: the current flash plugin works much better for me. put about:plugins in firefox to see which flash version you have installed
[05:10] <default_op> mefisto_: ok. what do you mean by put about
[05:10] <mefisto_> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115
[05:10] <default_op> ok wait.
[05:11] <mefisto_> default_op: in the address bar, type "about:plugins" and enter
[05:12] <default_op> mefisto_: Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115
[05:12] <default_op> mefisto_: so same version
[05:12] <mefisto_> yep
[05:12] <default_op> mefisto_: there definitly seems a problem as windows doesn't slow down.  a bug needs to be fix I guess
[05:13] <mefisto_> default_op: I'm also using the firefox-3.0 beta preview, which seems noticably faster than firefox 2
[05:13] <default_op> oh.  I installed that but how do you use it?
[05:14] <mefisto_> default_op: should be in internet sub-menu as Firefox 3 Web Browser
[05:14] <mefisto_> default_op: if not, alt-f2 and enter firefox-3.0
[05:14] <AndreSTC> damn, i acidentaly uninstalled part of my libxml2 library, and now everything is f³%¨&%& up... i cant even startx or anything
[05:15] <default_op> npe no firefox 3 icon there
[05:15] <default_op> let me look in user bins
[05:15] <default_op> trying f2
[05:15] <mefisto_> default_op: did you install firefox 3 from official repos?
[05:16] <default_op> mefisto_: it runs gran paradiso
[05:16] <default_op> is that f3?
[05:17] <mefisto_> default_op: that's what I originally installed, but a few days later there was an update that upgraded it to 3.0b3pre (from firefox help menu, about)
[05:18] <default_op> mefisto_: ok
[05:18] <default_op> I'll fetch updates in Adept to see if there's updates
[05:19] <default_op> mefisto_: do you know of a firefox repository
[05:21] <default_op> mefisto_: in fire3 you can select what plays the flash.  I'm going to test out the VLC addin for firefix and have that playt he FLV content
[05:22] <fidelio> I am trying to get VPN access and the java applet gives back this message: RPM query for openssl failed.  Anybody know what is it?
[05:22] <default_op> mefisto_: I'm really loving Kubuntu
[05:23] <mefisto_> default_op: it came from official ubuntu repos, universe. if you still have adept running, go to "manage repositories" and see if universe is enabled
[05:24] <default_op> mefisto_: I'm using local ISP rep for data saving.  I might check what it find with official
[05:24] <default_op> mefisto_: the flash is much faster than fire2, but going to test vlc soon
[05:25] <mefisto_> default_op: you're in australia, yes?
[05:25] <default_op> mefisto_: yes
[05:25] <default_op> mefisto_: on netspace melbourne
[05:26] <mefisto_> I've got http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu in "download from" in adept's manage repositories
[05:27] <default_op> mefisto_: cool.  I use netspace as it doesn't chew my data allocation
[05:27] <default_op> if I use other pipe pops then I'll clock up data use
[05:27] <mefisto_> default_op: same with me, iinet downloads aren't metered
[05:28] <default_op> mefisto_: I guess you have night and day allocations.  In my night I use all the allocation up and then pump pipe for full free data.
[05:29] <default_op> mefisto_: use ip filters in utorrent, etc.  on adsl2 so netspace doesn't allow pipe fre eunless on netspace themselves
[05:30] <default_op> mefisto_: where do I find manuals?  I've downloaded postfix docs but don't know where they are.  the help display wont search them
[05:30] <default_op> mefisto_:  brb.
[05:42] <tuxwulf> hal-storgae-removable-mount-options refused uid 1000 .... how to fix that?
[05:55] <user_> has anyone here managed o get the eciadsl drivers working?
[06:03] <user_> has anyone here managed o get the eciadsl drivers working?
[06:17] <shaffy> does anyone know why the sun-java6-jre package cannot be downloaded?
[06:18] <ecue> hey everyone
[06:18] <ecue> anyone feels like hand holdin tonight? i need someone to walk me through something
[06:19] <ecue> if you can, send me and instant message on AIM to "qstormproduction"
[06:19] <surgy> .
[06:19] <surgy> !offtopic
[06:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:19] <surgy> sorry
[06:19] <zeno> whats the aptitude option to fix broken packages
[06:20] <surgy> !fix-aptitude
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix-aptitude - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <ecue> i need someone who can take care of an ATI problem i have
[06:20] <ecue> i red a million how tos and still nothing
[06:20] <surgy> !ask | ecue
[06:20] <ubotu> ecue: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[06:20] <ecue> sorry
[06:21] <surgy> how can i help you ecue
[06:21] <ecue> i have ati radeon 9800, it keeps crashing my computer everytime i arm dual monitors
[06:21] <stdin> zeno: same as with apt "sudo aptitude -f install"
[06:21] <ecue> screen goes black
[06:21] <zeno> thanks
[06:21] <ecue> thanks surgy
[06:21] <ecue> the driver i have is what kubuntu came with
[06:21] <ecue> i'm brand new
[06:21] <ecue> if you couldn't tell
[06:22] <default_op> shaffy: I have it in my Adept
[06:22] <ecue> running kubuntu 7.10
[06:22] <default_op> shaffy: using pretty standard repositories too
[06:22] <surgy> well basicly you need to open system settings in your kde menu and then go to advanced tab and go to restricted drivers, go into administrative mode, and then enable the proper driver, there should only be one choice
[06:23] <ecue> yep, i've done that
[06:23] <ecue> then it says restart
[06:23] <ecue> did that
[06:23] <ecue> it comes back ok, after that what's my next move
[06:23] <stdin> !dualhead
[06:23] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[06:24] <ecue> i read that one, maybe i'm missing something, i've not been able to work it
[06:24] <surgy> ecue:  a big peice of advice for you, get an nvidia card if your gonna be serious about graphics in linux
[06:24] <ecue> that's what i was thinkin
[06:25] <ecue> ati is garbage i hear
[06:25] <ecue> it worked great on win xp, but this isn't xp
[06:25] <ecue> so is ATI a lost cause?
[06:26] <ecue> i wanna use both of my monitors, but it just crashes everytime i arm dual monitor mode and do big desktop
[06:26] <surgy> ecue: no nothing is ever a lost cuase, its just that nvidia is far superior using opengl than ati, and nvidia actually likes linux users and ati just hates us
[06:27] <ecue> is it possible someone could've wrote the driver for a monkey like me? something i can use right now?
[06:27] <ecue> i really want to run linux, but i'm just getting overly frustrated
[06:28] <ecue> i hate to ask, but anyone feel like volunteering some time to try to help me figure it out?
[06:28] <surgy> ecue:  well your doing an intermediate level task and your a beginner, what do you expect? take a step back and learn how to copy things, how to use the terminal, and other basic linux things, like editing the xorg.conf to change your resolution and making a backup of it and so forth
[06:29] <surgy> !ati | ecue
[06:29] <ubotu> ecue: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:29] <surgy> ecue: if that doesnt help then im not much help either
[06:29] <ecue> speaking of editing xorg.conf
[06:29] <surgy> i dont have an ati card threw mine out when i switch to linux
[06:30] <ecue> what's the code for that in the terminal
[06:30] <surgy> ecue: open a terminal and type kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:30] <surgy> its a "command" not a code
[06:30] <ecue> thank you so much surgy, i hate being a rookie
[06:30] <surgy> kdesu give you su permisions for the kde windows manager for gui elements
[06:30] <ecue> i'm a quick learner
[06:30] <surgy> kate is the text editor
[06:31] <ecue> right right, command, not code, my bad
[06:31] <surgy> and /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the directory of the file kate will be opening
[06:32] <surgy> have you updated and upgraded using the terminal? thats a good beginners step
[06:32] <ecue> thanks surgy
[06:32] <ecue> yeah i belive i'm up to date
[06:32] <surgy> no problem
[06:32] <ecue> i did it using adept
[06:32] <ecue> that's what you're refering to, correct? in the begining of the install
[06:32] <ecue> i mean begining after install
[06:33] <surgy> well
[06:33] <surgy> aptitude is better for me in the command line
[06:33] <ecue> you tell me what works i'll do it
[06:33] <surgy> sudo apt-get update is the command to update everything
[06:34] <surgy> and sudo apt-get upgrade respectively
[06:34] <surgy> you want to search the repos for a package? sudo apt-cache search packagename
[06:35] <surgy> install that package? sudo apt-get install packagename
[06:35] <Thecks> For what ever reason Evolution keeps crashing on me when trying to connect to an Exchange server. Does anybody know of another application that works with Exchange?
[06:36] <ecue> so when i run the sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:37] <sub[t]rnl> Thecks➜ http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/ms-exchange-replacements.html
[06:37] <ecue> it upgrades all missing packages
[06:37] <ecue> ?
[06:37] <NickPresta> Thecks, Evolution is the only client I know that works (directly via RPC connected to the Exchange server). You can use the Exchange server as a POP or IMAP server and use what ever client you like.
[06:37] <NickPresta> And look at sub[t]rnl's link too :)
[06:38] <surgy> escue no it checks which packages you have and then checks for new ones
[06:38] <surgy> it only checks the repos in that are mentioned in your sources.list file though
[06:41] <ecue> oh ok, i see
[06:42] <ecue> ok, so back to my ati problem, do you recomend not trying to mess with stuff like compiz or beryl
[06:42] <ecue> on my ATI card?
[06:42] <ecue> or even arm my dual
[06:47] <mefisto_>  I'm considering compiling/installing a patched ati driver to get TVout to work. If it doesn't work and I want to revert to my current ati driver from official repos, how do I uninstall the patched driver? Do I just reinstall the standard ati driver from repos? I'm following this guide: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Tvout
[06:48] <Daisuke_Ido> mefisto_: keep your build directory and sudo make uninstall (whereas to install it's sudo make install)
[06:49] <Berzerker> how would I connect a bluetooth device
[06:49] <Berzerker> from the CL
[06:50] <mefisto_> Daisuke_Ido: can I be sure make uninstall will work? there doesn't seem to be a file named uninstall.
[06:51] <Vratha> hi
[06:52] <sub[t]rnl> !hi | Vratha
[06:52] <ubotu> Vratha: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:52] <Vratha> what package do i need to install on kubuntu 7.10 to get all the header files?
[06:52] <Vratha> header files that go in /usr/include that is
[06:53] <Berzerker> never mind
[06:53] <sub[t]rnl> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:53] <sub[t]rnl> !info bluez | Berzerker
[06:53] <ubotu> berzerker: Package bluez does not exist in gutsy
[06:53] <sub[t]rnl> !info bluez-utils | Berzerker
[06:53] <ubotu> berzerker: bluez-utils (source: bluez-utils): Bluetooth tools and daemons. In component main, is optional. Version 3.19-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 460 kB, installed size 1272 kB
[06:53] <Berzerker> I got it
[06:53] <Vratha> not linux headers; those go in /usr/src
[06:53] <Berzerker> it's ok lol
[06:53] <Vratha> just the standard development headers
[06:53] <Berzerker> now what's the synaptics trackpad manager?
[06:55] <Berzerker> nvm, go tit
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> mefisto_: and the file called INSTALL isn't part of the makefile, it's a readable text file
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> make install puts files where they should be.  make uninstall removes those files
[06:58] <sub[t]rnl> Vratha➜ the build-essentail package?
[06:58] <Vratha> sub[t]rnl: yeah, i thinkt hat sounds right; thanks!
[06:58] <sub[t]rnl> it'll have the libc*-dev packages
[06:59] <mefisto_> the file is instal-sh, which is an executable script. I don't really understand how compiling works and don't want to mess up a perfectly working kubuntu
[06:59] <mefisto_> install-sh*
[07:06] <Berzerker> how would I go about setting up wireless? (I'm on a macbook pro)
[07:08] <sub[t]rnl> !wireless > Berzerker
[07:11] <mefisto_> so both INSTALL and UNINSTALL are in the makefile. have I got that right? the install-sh script has nothing to do with it?
[07:21] <tcm> mefisto_: most of the times you can run 'make uninstall' to uninstall
[07:23] <mefisto_> "most of the time" is what worries me. what if I can't undo it all with "make uninstall"?
[07:24] <default_op> Any recomendations for a video editor?
[07:24] <default_op> mpeg to xvid encoder...
[07:24] <mariok_> salut .nouveau kubunteros
[07:25] <Riskbreaker> hey guys. is there a way to have kmail import my mailbox from a thunderbird profile?
[07:26] <mefisto_> is it possible to create a .deb and install that way instead of "make install", so I can uninstall with apt?
[07:27] <JoshOvki> Riskbreaker: read this   http://jajoma.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-to-import-kmail-into-thunderbird.html
[07:27] <default_op> Riskbreaker: have you tried Evolution?  it has good import feature and is really good client
[07:28] <Riskbreaker> much appreciated, josh
[07:28] <Riskbreaker> im not a fan of evolution
[07:28] <default_op> k
[07:29] <jussi01> default_op: kdenlive
[07:29] <scott> What is the command in Konqueror to get to the font installation?
[07:29] <mefisto_> default_op: do you want to edit, or just encode?
[07:30] <default_op> edit as well
[07:31] <default_op> jussi01: thanks.  will test out.  I want something like Abode Premier iwhich is a big ask. but anything that allows editing and encoding without audio sync issues
[07:31] <Riskbreaker> oh as it turns out typing kmailcvt in terminal got me a nice little wizard
[07:31] <Riskbreaker> thanks anywaysg uys
[07:32] <JoshOvki> Riskbreaker: i was just typing about that then
[07:32] <JoshOvki> :)
[07:32] <Riskbreaker> haha
[07:32] <Riskbreaker> snooze you lose ^_^
[07:32] <mefisto_> default_op: kdenlive is quite like premier, but makes more sense to someone (like me) who hasn't done much video editing
[07:32] <JoshOvki> yup, but in all fairness it is 7:30am
[07:34] <JoshOvki> talking of time i must go, got to go to work :(  catch ya all later
[07:50] <default_op> mefisto_: thx. & to Jussi
[07:51] <crweb> has anyone seen imbrandon lately?
[07:55] <surgy> hey guys
[07:55] <surgy> i have my dual screen set up and working right
[07:56] <surgy> only problem is the second screen only goes up to 800x600 how do i get that up a bit higher?
[07:56] <surgy> nvm got it
[08:00] <Riskbreaker> anyone know how to get the kmail system tray thing to show up
[08:00] <Riskbreaker> the thing that tells me if i have new mail
[08:06] <pulaski> Has anyone here experienced bang line failures with #! /usr/bin/python on ubuntu 7.10?
[08:08] <takedashingen> I had a problem with my bang line failing, but the doctor gave me some pills and that cleared it right up.
[08:10] <pulaski> lol takedashinge, got any more?
[08:11] <takedashingen> Unfortunately no, but that's an odd thing to have an error with.
[08:11] <takedashingen> Not that I know all that much python.
[08:11] <MrJigsaw> Any program that i can use for printing labels on DVD's in kubuntu ?
[08:13] <pulaski> yeah, I was over in #python and tried a bunch of stuff to no avail.  Don't loose any sleep over it takedashingen,  I'll figure it out and come back someday with a fix.
[08:23] <surgy> i know a bit of pything can i help?
[08:24] <pulaski> thanks surgy,  Have you had failure problems with the bang line "#!/ust/bin/python" using ubuntu?
[08:24] <pulaski> I can invoke the parser fine
[08:25] <pulaski> surgy, I'd like to run python scripts without having to do that.
[08:25] <surgy> nope dont even know what your talking about as far as some mythicle "bang line" goes
[08:25] <surgy> associate all files with the .py extension with the python interpreter
[08:26] <stdin> you need the #!/usr/bin/python there or else it'll get interpreted by /bin/sh on the cli
[08:26] <stdin> or you can use #!/usr/bin/env python
[08:28] <pulaski> Thanks for taking the time to respond stdin,  I can run .py scripts if I invoke python first.  I'd just like to run them without doing so.  Have the script itself invoke the parser.
[08:28] <stdin> that's what the #! line is for, it tells the shell what to use to parse the file
[08:29] <stdin> you also need to make sure the script is executable too
[08:31] <pulaski> Thank you stdin, I know this.  Perhaps there is something else going on.  I just thought someone here has also experienced this problem.
[08:31] <stdin> pulaski: what's the output when you try to run your script?
[08:33] <stdin> if I do " echo -e '#!/usr/bin/python\nprint "Hello, World"' > test.py; chmod +x test.py " running ./test.py works fine
[08:35] <pulaski> stdin, I can invoke python and run scripts fine on the command line using "python script.py"
[08:36] <stdin> pulaski: what happens with just "./script.py" though?
[08:36] <pulaski> bash: ./script1.py: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[08:37] <surgy> chmod +e /usr/bin/python ?
[08:38] <pulaski> "/usr/bin/python" is owned by root but I can invoke python fine as an ordinary user.
[08:38] <stdin> pulaski: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/python" show?
[08:38] <pulaski> Its a sym link "lrwxrwxrwx"
[08:38] <stdin> a link to what though?
[08:39] <pulaski> "/usr/bin/pytho2.5"
[08:39] <stdin> and what are the permission on /usr/bin/python2.5 ?
[08:40] <pulaski> "_rwxr-xr-x"
[08:41] <pulaski> I'm playing around with chown, chgrp from root to my username.
[08:42] <stdin> can you post the 1st line of the script? (the #! part)
[08:42] <pulaski> sure, btw I appreciate your taking the time to work with me on this just a min.
[08:43] <pulaski> #!/usr/bin/python
[08:44] <stdin> that's odd indeed. what happens when you change it to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 ?
[08:44] <pulaski> same as above stdin.
[08:45] <pulaski> "bash: ./script1.py: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: Permission denied"
[08:46] <pulaski> perms are ok
[08:47] <pulaski> chown. chgrp on the target changes nothing, listen I don't want to waste anymore of your time.  Its not that important right now.
[08:48] <pulaski> g'night
[08:48] <stdin> it's an odd issue, sorry I couldn't help
[08:55] <caris_mere> how can I access (install) fonts through konqueror?
[08:56] <bowo> hi all
[09:00] <stdin> caris_mere: you mean via fonts:/ ?
[09:01] <OsirisX> !mantis
[09:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mantis - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <caris_mere> stdin: yes, thanks
[09:15] <tuba_> тут по русски кто-то говорит?
[09:16] <blizzzek> hi
[09:18] <pocketsnooker> http://refpaste.notlong.com "Freenode started to ban Hong Kong IP Adresses due to political interferences..." <-- what the hell is this?
[09:19] <stdin> pocketsnooker: I know what that is, it's offtopic
[09:20] <stdin> chanserv lag...
[09:27] <tuba_> i'm hawe trouble, can somebody help me?
[09:28] <vlt> !ask | tuba_
[09:28] <ubotu> tuba_: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[09:31] <vlt> !ru | tuba_ (modzet bytch lootsche)
[09:31] <ubotu> tuba_ (modzet bytch lootsche): Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[09:31] <tuba_> when i'm starts Kaffeine, it get 11 signal, and in log Using host libthread_db library "/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
[09:31] <tuba_> (no debugging symbols found)
[09:32] <tuba_> thank's for channel
[09:38] <tuba_> on russian channel only dummies :(
[09:45] <MikeT> hey, is anyone running wow under wine?
[10:04] <pasqualino> hallo
[10:12] <intelikey> i did apt-get source bash   ran configure (no errors)   ran make and get this.
[10:12] <intelikey> # make
[10:12] <intelikey> yacc -d ./parse.y
[10:12] <intelikey> make: yacc: Command not found
[10:12] <intelikey> make: *** [y.tab.c] Error 127
[10:12] <intelikey> why yacc ?
[10:18] <intelikey> installed byacc   make seems to be running
[10:20] <intelikey> seems to have worked.   ls -l bash
[10:20] <intelikey> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1865240 Feb 18 10:19 bash
[10:20] <intelikey> size bash
[10:20] <intelikey>    text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
[10:20] <intelikey>  637331   31640   19516  688487   a8167 bash
[10:21] <intelikey> seems to be three times the size of the factory bash.     it will probably work.      now to see if it is fully posix.
[10:27] <twosouls82> intelikey: the debian/control file lists "bison" as a build dependency, propably because it is a yacc compatible parser
[10:30] <add616> hello
[10:30] <intelikey> it is works.  i have bash now for one private user shell heh.   static and posix compliant.
[10:31] <add616> how to add account in kubuntu
[10:31] <intelikey> useradd   or adduser    or the kuser  applications
[10:31] <twosouls82> add616: or using systemsettings
[10:32] <intelikey> twosouls82 is that not kuser ?
[10:32] <twosouls82> intelikey: I don't have it installed and systemsettings still works :)
[10:33] <intelikey> hmmm may be a konsole snipit
[10:33] <intelikey> err not konsole   duh    kcontrol
[10:33] <intelikey> shoot i should do something else for a while.
[10:34] <intelikey> think i will.   be back in about three or four days.
[10:35] <twosouls82> intelikey: it seems to be part of "guidance", and it is a kcm module; kcm_userconfig.so
[10:35] <twosouls82> :)
[10:40] <zeno> trying to boot off the live CD; after i hit check CD integrity or install os it says "monitor connection lost" or something and then black screens.  help?  (im connecting my monitor via video card, displays right on bios)
[10:40] <add616> what do you think in kubuntu linux
[10:40] <add616> do u this os is friendly user?
[10:40] <jpatrick> add616: yes
[10:41] <vlt> Hello. How do I add a locale to a system? I tried `dpkg-reconfigure locales` but it just prints the installed ones and exits. Any idea?
[10:43] <twosouls82> vlt: "sudo aptitude install localeconf && sudo dpkg-reconfigure localeconf" is a way to do it
[10:43] <twosouls82> ow, it must have been
[10:43] <twosouls82> package does not seem to exist
[10:44] <vlt> twosouls82: Thank you
[10:47] <ronnie> I'm considering buying a new computer, but don't quite understand the whole dual core thing, so I have a few questions so I don't get scammed by an eager salesmen like I have with this computer
[10:47] <add616> i plan to install virtual box in kubuntu in order to boot windows xp
[10:47] <vlt> twosouls82: This does th same as `dpkg-r... locales`. hoe can I get this blue menu where I can choose which locale to install?
[10:48] <add616> many user freak with windows xp
[10:48] <SlimeyPete> ronnie: dualcore means your computer will be better at running multithreaded applications or running multiple applications simultaneously. Kubuntu supports dual-core processors.
[10:48] <add616> so i decided to use kubuntu and virtual box to invade windows xp
[10:49] <twosouls82> vlt: I think that localeconf is that menu, but since it doesn't seem to exist anymore you can use "locale-gen" as described on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[10:50] <appelza> how can I add a command to sudoers that doesn't have the full path?  ie, anything this_command instead of /usr/bin/this_command
[10:51] <ronnie> I'm looking at a 64x4000+ processer, but it says the prosesser's speed is 2.60 ghz so is this x2 cause it's dualcore,
[10:51] <SlimeyPete> ronnie: it's got two 2.6ghz cores. That does not mean that you will see the same performance as a 5.2ghz processor.
[10:52] <SlimeyPete> ronnie: for single-threaded apps (most apps) it will only use one core. However you will be able to run two such apps simultaneously at full speed.
[10:53] <SlimeyPete> ronnie: some apps (particularly compilers, maths software and modern games) will use both cores.
[10:53] <ronnie> ok thx still thinkn bout just one processer with high ghz, but I do like gaming
[10:54] <SlimeyPete> ronnie: bear in mind that the cores in the dual-core chips are more advanced so even one core is usually better than a single-core processor.
[10:55] <SlimeyPete> and ghz isn't everything ;)
[10:55] <zeno> trying to boot off the live CD; after i hit check CD integrity or install os it says "monitor connection lost" or something and then black screens.  help?  (im connecting my monitor via video card, displays right on bios)
[10:56] <ronnie> ok thx I want the best performance , mine now is only 2 ghz with 768 ram, (single-core)
[11:01] <ronnie> a salesmen at the store told me dual-core is 2 processers intergrated working together, but core 2 duo is 2 seperate processers, is this true? & does one perform mulit-tasks better?
[11:02] <SlimeyPete> ronnie: the salesman is talking rubbish
[11:02] <SlimeyPete> Core2Duo is a brand name for Intel's dual-core processors. It is one processor with two cores.
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[11:04] <ronnie> ok thx, just don't wanna be scammed again : )
[11:08] <ronnie> so I'm going to look for dual-core with high ram on it, tho with 3d high graphic gaming of today, what kinda speed should the ghz be at the very minium?
[11:10] <jussi01> ronnie: I suggest you take this to offtopic - its not really kubuntu support and you may get more answers there
[11:10] <ronnie> k ty
[11:13] <vlt> Which package does contain the locale de_DE.UTF-8?
[11:24] <gundam_rx78nt1> !paste
[11:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:25] <gundam_rx78nt1> good morning.  Has anybody had this problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56469/ ?
[11:28] <gundam_rx78nt1> I just tried to update my system and it failed when trying to update the kernel.
[11:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have pasted the output to pastebin.  # http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56469
[11:29] <gundam_rx78nt1> can someone give me a hand?
[11:30] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1: i don't know -- this is while updating kernel?
[11:31] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1: sorry just read the above -- i see it is
[11:31] <gundam_rx78nt1> this was during the last adept manager update from last week.
[11:33] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1:  gutsy, correct?
[11:34] <gundam_rx78nt1> yes
[11:40] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1: i found a post with what appears to be your problem
[11:41] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1: it's in spanish, tho ....here's a translation by google ... at the bottom is what seems to be the solution:::
[11:41] <prince_jammys> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.psicofxp.com/forums/gnu-linux.50/595228-problema-linux-image-2-6-22-a.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dubuntu%2Berror%2Bupdating%2Bkernel%2B%2522User%2Bpostinst%2Bhook%2Bscript%2B%255B/sbin/update-grub%255D%2Bexited%2Bwith%2Bvalue%2B2%2522%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
[11:42] <gundam_rx78nt1> I am fluent in spanish.
[11:42] <gundam_rx78nt1> what is the non translated page?
[11:46] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1: ah, perfecto:::: fijate::: http://www.psicofxp.com/forums/gnu-linux.50/595228-problema-linux-image-2-6-22-a.html
[11:54] <gundam_rx78nt1> prince_jammys: it is failing when trying to update the initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[11:55] <gundam_rx78nt1> y no quiero tener que re-instalar kubuntu.
[12:00] <pawan> hi
[12:00] <pawan> how to automatically login in kubuntu
[12:01] <prince_jammys> sorry, i just found that online --- but i don't know the answer myself .... try #ubuntu .. this problem is not kde related
[12:01] <prince_jammys> gundam_rx78nt1: ^
[12:01] <gundam_rx78nt1> pawan: w/o passwords?
[12:01] <pawan> what
[12:01] <gundam_rx78nt1> gracias prince_jammys.  Where are you from?
[12:02] <prince_jammys> argentina
[12:02] <gundam_rx78nt1> with out typing passwords.
[12:02] <pawan> yes
[12:02] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok. Puerto Rico.
[12:02] <prince_jammys> mucho gusto , good luck
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> pawan, go to system settings -> advanced -> logins
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> pawan, its under convenience
[12:03] <gundam_rx78nt1> pawan: go to kcontrol and click on System Administration.
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> pawan, you will still need your pass when you sudo etc though
[12:03] <gundam_rx78nt1> Select login manager
[12:03] <Tm_T> gundam_rx78nt1: you're late
[12:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> then click on the convienience
[12:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> Tm_T: ?
[12:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> late for what?
[12:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have been here all night. LOL.
[12:04] <prince_jammys> they just answered a second ago
[12:04] <prince_jammys> :)
[12:04] <prince_jammys> scroll up
[12:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> oh.
[12:04] <Tm_T> ;)
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> pawan, there is documentation for that everywhere online.. Did you seach for the answer yourself first?
[12:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> I don't type that fast.
[12:05] <pawan> no
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> pawan, please try to help yourself first before asking stuff
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> pawan, we are here to help but if you can get it yourself then its cool :D
[12:07] <prince_jammys> does system-settings let you search for text the way kcontrol does?
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> prince_jammys, not sure, mind you I dont use it so much since I got my rig sorted :)
[12:08] <prince_jammys> ie..  like type "print" to see where the settings for printers are?
[12:08] <prince_jammys> i'll try it out -- a while ago it was crashing so much that i switched to kcontrol
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> prince_jammys, well if the shoe fits .....
[12:09] <prince_jammys> yeah
[12:09] <pawan> hi
[12:09] <prince_jammys> for some reason, system-settings is the default now
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> pawan, hi
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !hi | pawan
[12:11] <ubotu> pawan: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:24] <vlt> Hello. When a user logs in via XDMCP his locale is set to POSIX. Where do I have to tell kdm to set it to de_DE.UTF-8?
[12:25] <Xbehave> (k)guidance-power-manager isnt listing conservative as cpu policy options
[12:34] <rodolfo> hola alguien habla en español?
[12:34] <emilsedgh> !es | rodolfo
[12:34] <ubotu> rodolfo: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[12:35] <maltron> Hi all.  Can anyone tell me how to suppress kernel modules from being loaded?
[12:38] <stdin> !blacklist | maltron
[12:38] <ubotu> maltron: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[12:58] <vlt> Hello. When a user logs in via XDMCP his locale is set to POSIX. Does anyone know where to tell kdm to set it to de_DE.UTF-8?
[13:01] <pawan> hi
[13:01] <pawan> how to hide desktop icons
[13:02] <pawan> hello
[13:14] <pawan> how to hide desktop icons
[13:14] <ki> So let's get a party going (let's get a party going)
[13:14] <ki> Now it's time to party and we'll party hard (party hard)
[13:14] <ki> its not my fault you see
[13:15] <pawan> in kubuntu
[13:17] <ki> HEY
[13:18] <ki> WATS KUBUNTU
[13:18] <pawan> how to hide desktop icons in kubuntu
[13:19] <ki> HEY
[13:19] <ki> CAN I HVAE ADMIN
[13:22] <ki> 12/F/CALI, U?
[13:22] <ki> over and out, xxx
[13:27] <sun_> hi all
[13:29] <LeeJunFan> man I had 675 days uptime on an ubuntu server, and yesterday the power went out for 9 freaking hours.
[13:30] <Pici> :(
[13:30] <Pici> At least it wasn't a system error.
[13:30] <|Dreams|> can anyone help me with mono
[13:40] <FearMoth> Hi, I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy, is there any way to edit the right click context menu in Dolphin?
[13:43] <sveri> FearMoth: i dont think so, it surely is hardcoded
[13:44] <sveri> but i am not 100% sure
[13:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> ok, now I have a question... I have had problems with the virtual terminial (tty1-6) not displaying.
[13:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> I did a work around that made changes to the font sizes via the initrd.img
[13:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> Now I need to reset it back to normal font sizes.
[13:47] <gundam_rx78nt1> how do I do that?
[13:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> I have been looking for that work around for the past 1.5 hours and would like to get this reversed.
[13:48] <vlt> Hello. When a user logs in via XDMCP his locale is set to POSIX. Does anyone know where to tell kdm to set it to de_DE.UTF-8? I tried to set "Language=de_DE.UTF-8" in the [Desktop] section of ~/.dmrc which didn't help.
[13:54] <NullName> Can ANYONE please tell me why an scp transfer times out after 5 min or so?  I can send small files, but large or multiple small files stop transfering, and I get an error saying that the ubuntu ssh server is not responding.  I'm transfering through a local network.  Ubuntu is sending files and windows with cygwin is receiving files.  Any ideas??
[14:06] <tech0007> hi...i just did 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' to try out kde.  how do i remove it?
[14:08] <prince_jammys> tech0007: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <senorpedro> apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <senorpedro> aptitude purge kubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <jussi01> meh, neither will work
[14:08] <senorpedro> why not?
[14:08] <tech0007> i tried that but kde is still installed...it just removed the metapackage but not the entire kde desktop
[14:09] <jussi01> see that^
[14:09] <Pici> apt-get autoremove may remove the other stuff after that... although I'm not too sure.
[14:09] <jussi01> autoremove should do it... but could be dangerous
[14:09] <Pici> It could be.
[14:09] <jussi01> heh, Pici beat me too it
[14:10] <wsjunior> hello guys, i have a problem. using fglrx driver i'm not able to logout, reboot or halt kde
[14:10] <tech0007> nope...when i did install, it added somethin like 600mb of files
[14:11] <wsjunior> i already edited kdmrc to set terminateserver=true
[14:11] <wsjunior> but still cant logout, reboot or halt my laptop correctly
[14:12] <wsjunior> it stays in a black screen like it wasnt capable of get out of the x server and the laptop turns completely unusable
[14:12] <wsjunior> any idea?
[14:15] <wsjunior> solution found:  sudo /usr/sbin/update-rc.d -f atieventsd remove
[14:24] <ConstyXIV> is there any way to kill single-click in dolphin?
[14:26] <jussi01> !doubleclick
[14:26] <ubotu> You can find the mouse-related settings at: KMenu -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse
[14:26] <Authority> ConstyXIV: it uses the global KDE setting
[14:26] <twosouls82> ConstyXIV: "kcmshell mouse" and see the settings under icons
[14:27] <schiste> Hi, do you know if there's any software/script to run a global diagnostic on a computer. I do have several troubles and I don't know where they come from.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> schiste, what troubles ?
[14:28] <ConstyXIV> that, and does konqueror have an equivalent of noscript?
[14:28] <nusret> servus
[14:28] <schiste> Troubles with the sound system, to reboot, to boot mainly :)
[14:29] <wsjunior> kubuntu used to automount my memory stick but its not working anymore, does anybody know anything about it?
[14:30] <nusret> www.kubuntu.de
[14:30] <wsjunior> dmesg shows only this:
[14:30] <wsjunior> [  503.788000] tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:2
[14:30] <wsjunior> [  503.832000] tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[14:30] <wsjunior> is it a problem with tifm_ms?
[14:32] <nusret> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[14:33] <wsjunior> actually the problem is with tifm_ms
[14:33] <wsjunior> maybe the ubuntu kernel has been updated recently
[14:34] <wsjunior> FATAL: Error inserting tifm_ms (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/misc/tifm/tifm_ms.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[14:34] <nusret> www.msn.com
[14:34] <wsjunior> wtf
[14:35] <jussi01> nusret: what are you trying to do?
[14:41] <vlt> Hello. How do I set my locale to de_DE.UTF-8?
[14:41] <Pici> !locale | vlt
[14:41] <ubotu> vlt: To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[14:43] <nusret> www.msn.de
[14:46] <stdin> nusret ?
[14:47] <Tm_T> stdin: hug me
[14:47]  * stdin hugs Tm_T 
[14:47] <Tm_T> <3
[14:47] <vlt> Pici: Thank you for the link. I couldn't find anything helpful there, the user has no "sudo" rights. What's the command to set my current locale from POSIX to de_DE.UTF-8?
[14:47] <nusret> neue und kostenlose versionen von kubuntu linux
[14:48] <Tm_T> !de | nusret
[14:48] <nusret> www.google.de
[14:48] <ubotu> nusret: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:56] <shaffy> does anyone know why the sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-bin can't be downloaded?
[14:57] <Pici> Are you getting an error?
[14:58] <shaffy> Pici: yes, i am.
[14:58] <Pici> What error are you getting?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> err, java needs you to agree to terms, sometimes ppl forget
[14:58] <shaffy> here let me get it again,
[14:59] <vlt> Hello.  What's the command to set my current locale from POSIX to de_DE.UTF-8?
[14:59] <vlt> `locale -a` tells me, it's available.
[14:59] <shaffy> oh that's so embarassing.  thanks Pici and BluesKaj.  i wasnt' agreeing to the terms.   :S
[15:00] <BluesKaj> vlt,kcontrol, regional & laguage
[15:00] <Pici> Heh, its okay :)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> np shaffy , it happened to me too :)
[15:00] <shaffy> hehe
[15:00] <vlt> BluesKaj: Ok, and then?
[15:00] <shaffy> thanks again both of you.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> choose your region & language, vlt,  UTF-8 is  the default i believe
[15:03] <vlt> BluesKaj: I chose my Country and Language. I set my language to the top. But I can't find where to set the encoding.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> vlt , spellchecker
[15:05] <vlt> BluesKaj: sorry?
[15:05] <vlt> I already set "Language=de_DE.UTF-8" in the [Desktop] section of ~/.dmrc
[15:05] <vlt> Didn't help
[15:06] <BluesKaj> vlt check system settings /regional&language/spell checker
[15:07] <faemir> can someone tell me the name of the packages/s needed to play mp3 files in amarok? The find codec thing did not work.
[15:07] <Pici> faemir: ubuntu-restricted-extras iirc
[15:07] <Tm_T> faemir: xine-ffmpeg
[15:07] <Tm_T> Pici: kubuntu-restricted-extras in this case could work yes
[15:07] <BluesKaj> ppl keep teeling me kcontrol is a better way to set things up, but I find system settings more comprehensive with more apparent options
[15:08] <Pici> Tm_T: (too much time spent in only #ubuntu) ;)
[15:08] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: matter of taste mostly
[15:08]  * Tm_T slaps Pici 
[15:08] <prince_jammys> go kcontrol
[15:08] <faemir> Thankies.
[15:08] <prince_jammys> :)
[15:08] <prince_jammys> my problem was that system-settings kept crashing
[15:09] <sigma_1234> kcontrol is easier to navigate. dont know why they replaced it
[15:10] <prince_jammys> beats me
[15:10] <BluesKaj> prince_jammys, find spell checker/options in kcontrol for me :)
[15:10] <sigma_1234> has the kde4 hardy cd been released yet?
[15:10] <prince_jammys> BluesKaj: found
[15:10] <sigma_1234> ive seen spellchecker options in it
[15:10] <prince_jammys> BluesKaj: i just type spell in the box and it shows me the relevant menus
[15:11]  * BluesKaj searchesprince , what if you don't know where to look 
[15:12] <prince_jammys> you type what you want
[15:12] <BluesKaj> oops prince_jammys
[15:12] <BluesKaj> UTF-8 doesn't show up
[15:12] <prince_jammys> does for me
[15:13] <BluesKaj> hmm, prince_jammys, then you must ahve a different kcontrol than I have.
[15:13] <prince_jammys> i never browse those menus, there's too many -- i just type "print" "icon" -- etc
[15:14] <prince_jammys> KDE control center 3.5.8
[15:18] <theunixgeek> How do I install the hicolor icon theme from KDE 2 and back? ;)
[15:18] <BluesKaj> I think, system settings is easier for ppl who don't know where to look for solutions.
[15:18] <vlt> BluesKaj: hmm, there's no "spell checker" setting in "region/country" ... I'm on 6.06 LTS, btw.
[15:19] <ki>  shut up youre watching top gear donkey sex on steroids that physically makes you hurt sometimes if you are not cool after playing chess cranking that soulja boy that sings different to teh way they sound meaning that sometimes they go outside
[15:19] <Tm_T> theunixgeek: hmm, by, hrr, editing theme.desktop file in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/
[15:19] <ki>  shut up youre watching top gear donkey sex on steroids that physically makes you hurt sometimes if you are not cool after playing chess cranking that soulja boy that sings different to teh way they sound meaning that sometimes they go outside
[15:19] <theunixgeek> Tm_T: but there are no icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor :P
[15:20] <Tm_T> theunixgeek: hu?
[15:20] <theunixgeek> Tm_T: nor a theme.desktop
[15:20] <Tm_T>  /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme
[15:21] <Tm_T> I have that
[15:21] <theunixgeek> Tm_T: ditto
[15:21] <theunixgeek> Tm_T: but all the icons under 128x128 are the Crystal SVG or whatever
[15:21] <Tm_T> hicolor-icon-theme - default fallback theme for FreeDesktop.org icon themes
[15:22] <BluesKaj> vlt, first, open system settings>regional&language
[15:22] <Tm_T> theunixgeek: if you want the old one exactly, dig it from old sources? dunno other way
[15:22] <vlt> BluesKaj: Done
[15:22] <theunixgeek> Tm_T: where would the old sources be? ;)
[15:22] <Tm_T> theunixgeek: kde.org website has it
[15:23] <BluesKaj> vlt, on the left there should be an icon spell checker
[15:24] <BluesKaj> vlt, not kcontrol ..I'm sorry if I misled you there
[15:24] <Distro^Junkie> what do I need for editing tags in mp4 format in amarok ?
[15:25] <prince_jammys> doesn't amaroK do this on its own?
[15:25] <Distro^Junkie> it'll work with mp3 but not mp4
[15:26] <prince_jammys> Distro^Junkie: ah
[15:28] <martijn81> when will macos exposé be implemented in kde4?
[15:28] <unagi> anyone know how to get the side buttons of a mouse working in kubuntu?
[15:29] <jussi01> martijn81: isnt it already?
[15:29] <jussi01> !compiz | martijn81
[15:29] <ubotu> martijn81: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:29] <vlt> BluesKaj: So, I opened SystemSettings»Regions. No spell checker settings there.
[15:29] <martijn81> jussi01: but does that also work under kde?
[15:30] <jussi01> martijn81: yes
[15:30] <unagi> martijn81: not very well
[15:30] <jussi01> unagi: it works perfectly here
[15:31] <BluesKaj> vlt , well then kcontrol may be your only option, it may be in there on dapper but , I can't find it on gutsy , sorry :(
[15:31] <unagi> kde decorations crash for me all the time
[15:31] <jussi01> unagi: change the settings to a flat file backend
[15:32] <unagi> it is set to flat
[15:33] <unagi> any other ideas?
[15:33] <jussi01> unagi: join #compiz-fusion and ask ;)
[15:33] <NightBird> martijn81: kde4 has a expose enhancement.  I don't know if it's enabled by default... if it is, it should be Ctrl+F9.  if it's not, go to system settings->desktop->desktop effects->all effects-> and enable Present Windows
[15:34] <NightBird> also, take your cursor to the upper left corner of the screen to also enable it besides the keyboard shortcut(you can change which corner in the settings)
[15:34] <vlt> BluesKaj: kcontrol is there on dapper. But no spell checker either
[15:34] <martijn81> thanks NightBird
[15:34] <NightBird> you may need to enable desktop effects, I don't know
[15:35] <prince_jammys> vlt: in the kcontrol box at the top, type "spell" --- nothing happens?
[15:37] <vlt> BluesKaj, prince_jammys: I found it: Under "KDE components".
[15:38] <prince_jammys> vlt use the search box - it works very well - you just type whatever youre looking for
[15:38] <vlt> BluesKaj, prince_jammys: It says "dictionary: German, encoding: UTF-8"
[15:40] <BluesKaj> vlt, is that what you want ?
[15:40] <podr0znik> hello everybody
[15:40] <BluesKaj> !hi | podr0znik
[15:40] <ubotu> podr0znik: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[15:41] <podr0znik> how nice BluesKaj :)
[15:41] <podr0znik> ok... installing JRE once should be enough, right?
[15:41] <podr0znik> or do I need to repeat that 4 or 5 times?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> podr0znik, which one ?
[15:41] <podr0znik> I tried the one which Firefox suggested me
[15:41] <podr0znik> also the one which Adept suggested me
[15:42] <podr0znik> and the stupid chat window is still not working
[15:42] <vlt> BluesKaj: `locale` still says POSIX and all files containing UTF-8 characters are displayed wrong. Any idea?
[15:42] <unagi> !btnx
[15:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about btnx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:42] <podr0znik> I downloaded the self-extracting version from java.com
[15:42] <podr0znik> http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting <-- followed exactly these instructions
[15:42] <podr0znik> system properly installed it
[15:43] <podr0znik> but still no effect
[15:43] <podr0znik> do I have to do sth with ff first?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> podr0znik, use the adept one , it will install the app "globally" on your computer , only one install required that way
[15:43] <podr0znik> I installed the other one as "su", so that should be globally also
[15:43] <podr0znik> in /usr/java
[15:43] <podr0znik> but the adept one also didn't help :) tried that already
[15:44] <podr0znik> maybe sb feels like trying out the website? ;) maybe it's a problem on their side...
[15:45] <BluesKaj> podr0znik, in the konsole : sudo update-alternatives --config java ..choose the latest , prolly version 6 from the list
[15:45] <podr0znik> erm... I think I'm crying too fast :)
[15:45] <podr0znik> I see on the website that I forgot the "enable and configure" part :)))))
[15:45] <podr0znik> don't laugh at me too loud now :P
[15:45] <podr0znik> please :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> podr0znik, read above!
[15:46] <podr0znik> ok
[15:46] <podr0znik> thx
[15:47] <martijn81> alt+F9 you said?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ctrl+F9
[15:48] <martijn81> BluesKaj: no go there
[15:48] <podr0znik> what's the default installation dir of moz firefox?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> martijn81, that's what NightBird told you
[15:50] <NightBird> martijn81: then you may need to enable it, or change the setting
[15:51] <martijn81> NightBird: which option do i need to confingure then, do you happen to know that too?
[15:52] <podr0znik> works :)
[15:52] <podr0znik> thanks BluesKaj
[15:53] <martijn81> hmmm, i indeed see the setting is enabled of ctrl+F9 but it does not seem to work
[15:53] <martijn81> how come/
[15:54] <NightBird> go to system settings->desktop->desktop effects->all effects-> and enable Present Windows
[15:54] <NightBird> is the enable effects on the previous tab clicked?
[15:54] <MrJigsaw> Anyone know a place to get wallpapers with TUX for dual-moniter ? :]
[15:54] <NightBird> it may require that to be enabled
[15:54] <martijn81> NightBird: yup, that is enabled
[15:55] <NightBird> and the checkbox next to the plugin name is checked?
[15:56] <vlt> What do I have to do to display the filename Überfile.txt not as �berfile.txt (in Konqueror and on the Desktop, for example)?
[15:56] <NightBird> if that's the case, then I don't know.  I also need to go to work right now, so my helpfullness ends here either way
[15:57] <martijn81> yup, but but that does not give me any exposé effects
[15:57] <BluesKaj> podr0znik, YW :)
[15:57] <martijn81> thanks anyways
[15:58] <vlt> Where can I change locale to de_DE.UTF-8?
[15:58] <prince_jammys> vlt: have you tried #ubuntu-de ?
[15:58] <vlt> prince_jammys: not yet.
[15:58] <prince_jammys> vlt probably get an answer faster over there
[15:58] <BluesKaj> vlt, #kubuntu-de might be worth a try
[16:01] <BluesKaj> kinda hard for me as an english speaker to understand what ppl have to deal with using other languages.
[16:03] <Authority> vlc: are you trying to set the locale for KDE or for the command line?
[16:04] <Riskbreaker> morning fellas. i'm trying to get rid of the korganizer reminder daemon in the notification tray. any one know how to do that?
[16:04] <prince_jammys> Authority: yes    vlt^
[16:04] <BluesKaj> he's trying to set the code to UTF-8
[16:05] <prince_jammys> Riskbreaker: right-click on it, quit? *maybe*
[16:05] <Authority> right, I meant vlt, but I was also trying to start vlc at the same time :-\
[16:05] <Riskbreaker> it comes back whenever i load up kontact
[16:06] <prince_jammys> Authority: yeah just trying to alert him, he's been at it for a long time
[16:06] <BluesKaj> Riskbreaker, kdesu konqueror /usr/share/autostart , then delete it
[16:08] <Riskbreaker> it doesn't show up at startup. it shows up whenever i use Kontact
[16:08] <Riskbreaker> which is what i'm trying to disable
[16:08] <BluesKaj> yes, Riskbreaker , it'll stop
[16:08] <Riskbreaker> it's not in there
[16:08] <Riskbreaker> lol
[16:09] <Riskbreaker> unless its korgac.desktop
[16:10] <BluesKaj> it was bothering me too and that solved my prob...it's a daemon that waits for you to open contact then itsits in the panel afterwards, well deleting it from the autostart prevents that
[16:10] <BluesKaj> yes korgac
[16:10] <Riskbreaker> k i'll give that a shot
[16:11] <Riskbreaker> excellent, it worked. many thanks
[16:12] <BluesKaj> np
[16:14] <Distro^Junkie> what's needed for svn  ?
[16:14] <Jack111> hi
[16:15] <BluesKaj> you have to download it , there's a site SVN
[16:15] <BluesKaj> !svn | Distro^Junkie
[16:15] <ubotu> Distro^Junkie: svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[16:15] <unagi> when i ran ubuntu xev captured my side buttons but kubuntu doesnt anyone know why?
[16:15] <Jack111> i have got the problem that whenever i try to open a openoffice file, firefox opens too,which is quite annoying since it slows the loading of the doc down
[16:16] <Xbehave> !ondemand
[16:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ondemand - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:17] <Xbehave> i cant switch to the conservative cpu scedular using the battery icon, is there a way around this?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Xbehave, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[16:18] <Authority> unagi: what did xev capture them as?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> !scaling
[16:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scaling - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:19] <BluesKaj> !info scaling
[16:19] <ubotu> Package scaling does not exist in gutsy
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !cpu
[16:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cpu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:20] <Jack111> is it possible to edit a file within konqueror qith koffice?its hand
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !stepping
[16:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stepping - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:21] <Xbehave> i have stepping working  its just the gui doesnt show the cpufreq_conservative option
[16:21] <unagi> Authority: xev doesnt capture them as buttons, even the scroll seems to be wrong, and my right mouse button is being captured as mouse 3
[16:21] <DarkTan_> my kunubtu ran away
[16:22] <unagi> Authority: and the wheel up and down is being captured as 4 and 5
[16:22] <DarkTan_> i had to reinstall windows XP on the win partition, not the grub loaded doesn't come up and i can't access linux
[16:22] <nosrednaekim> DarkTan_ » go catch it!
[16:22] <jussi01> !grub | DarkTan_
[16:22] <ubotu> DarkTan_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[16:22] <Authority> unagi: well all that sounds right
[16:23] <unagi> what about my side buttons
[16:23] <Authority> unagi: xev doesn't even register an event when you press them?
[16:23] <unagi> no
[16:24] <DarkTan_> ok, is useing the supergrub disk from within windows a good idea? i'm in belize right now at an internet cafe where they charge $4 and hour to use the highspeed and i left my 7.10 disk at home
[16:25] <unagi> DarkTan_: thats why i keep an image on my laptop
[16:25] <DarkTan_> i didn't have enough space, what with all my movies, anime and games
[16:26] <unagi> ::Shrug:: priorities my man
[16:26] <DarkTan_> that and i don't have any CD, the cost a ton down here, and my image was a dvd, no dvd burned on the laptop
[16:27] <unagi> why do you need the dvd
[16:27] <DarkTan_> the help file says to use the dvd to reinstall grub, it also gives the option to run the grub loader by itself, but i can't burn a CD
[16:28] <BluesKaj> DarkTan_, trying to restore grub or mbr ...shouldn't take long for either one
[16:28] <BluesKaj> using super grub disk
[16:28] <DarkTan_> it says i can run it in windows, is that a good idea?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> DarkTan_, you should have super grub boot on it's own , it's a live cd
[16:30] <snarkster> anyone know how to mount an itouch to copy some jams over?
[16:30] <unagi> Authority: any ideas?
[16:30] <unagi> !ipod
[16:30] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[16:31] <DarkTan_> i don't have any of the cds with me, and buying CD-Rs in a thrid world nation is a bit expensive
[16:31] <unagi> DarkTan_: then wait till u get homr
[16:31] <DarkTan_> i here for another week, and i have a bunch of files on the linux partition i need.
[16:32] <Authority> unagi: well ubuntu and kubuntu should have the same X setup, so I'm not sure why they would act any differently as that low of a level
[16:32]  * BluesKaj thinks if DarkTan_ can afford to sit and drink in an internet cafe , what's the price of a cd in comparison ? :)
[16:32] <Authority> unagi: so you press the side button and absolutely nothing happens in xev?
[16:32] <DarkTan_> i'no drinking, and i hope to bout ut of here in under a hour
[16:32] <unagi> Authority: right
[16:32] <unagi> DarkTan_: so what exactly is it you are looking for
[16:33] <DarkTan_> i just want to know if running the super grub disk from windows is a good idea or bad idea
[16:33] <DarkTan_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-f5b2b33b369cf4e319ad0f1df557c42290ba2d33
[16:33] <unagi> Authority: so then maybe i should start from scratch
[16:33] <Authority> unagi: can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log
[16:33] <Distro^Junkie> what's needed for building in svn ?
[16:34] <unagi> http://pastebin.org/20090
[16:36] <DarkTan_> eh, what the hell, i'm gonna try it
[16:37] <jussi01> Hmmm, what is the kde icon editor called?
[16:37] <nosrednaekim> kiconedit
[16:38] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: thanks
[16:41] <Authority> unagi: I don't know, looks good to me
[16:43] <unagi> how annoying Authority =)
[16:44] <snarkster> alot of stuff to do to get this touch to mount..
[16:44] <snarkster> Im not doing it.
[16:45] <snarkster> thank you tho for your help
[16:46] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie, go to the svn website , there's a "how to's , especially if you're trying to install kde4
[16:48] <xxBasYxx> hi what can i use for capturing video avi of my desktop?
[16:48] <Pici> !screencast | xxBasYxx heres a few
[16:48] <ubotu> xxBasYxx heres a few: Some programs to capture your screen are recordmydesktop, Istanbul, Wink, Gvidcap, Xvidcap, vnc2swf, demorecorder.  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts.
[16:49] <xxBasYxx> thanks
[16:50] <BluesKaj> Distro^Junkie,  /join #svn
[16:53] <BluesKaj> xxBasYxx, do you have a "Prt Scr" key ?
[17:01] <famval> hi
[17:02] <Cleanblue> hi
[17:07] <ublongata> hey anyone running KDE 4.0.1, can you set shortcuts using the Windows key?
[17:08] <BluesKaj> ublongata, KDE 4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[17:08] <onesandzeros> hello all.  About kubuntu's Xorg... When I start my system, kdm comes up automatically.  However, the display is sized incorrectly and is off-center.  When I log into my account, however, the screen resolution/position/refreshrate/etc change.  Are there two different xorg.conf files being used?  I can't think of any other explamation, but I have only one xorg.conf
[17:08] <ublongata> BluesKaj: thanks
[17:09] <jhutchins> onesandzeros: Yes, kdm relies more on kdmrc.
[17:09] <jhutchins> /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc
[17:09] <onesandzeros> ah
[17:10] <onesandzeros> Is there any way I can adjust that one?  Or make it reference /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[17:13] <sub[t]rnl> onesandzeros➜ kdm's resolution is based off the first valid one found in your xorg.conf  If its taking up more area than the monitor allows, Kill the "Virtual" line out of the xorg.conf
[17:13] <onesandzeros> sub[t]rnl: nice, thanks
[17:15] <khelll> how to install realplay plugin for firefox
[17:15] <jpatrick> !realplayer | khelll
[17:15] <ubotu> khelll: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:15] <wad> Yeesh, it sure is a pain to get a kubuntu box to play a normal DVD.
[17:17] <Arwen> nah, not really
[17:18] <vinay_> i'm using ubuntu right now.  is kubuntu worth trying out??
[17:18] <vinay_> any advantaqges???
[17:18] <Arwen> dunno, do you have Ubuntu?
[17:18] <wad> vinay_: not DVD playback.
[17:18] <Arwen> s/have/hate*
[17:18] <Arwen> if you dislike GNOME, maybe you want Kubuntu. Otherwise, it'd be a waste of time.
[17:18] <prince_jammys> vinay_: get it
[17:18] <prince_jammys> :)
[17:19] <prince_jammys> vinay_: and if you dont like it, you just remove it
[17:19] <cee> does anyone know a good howto for undeleting files from a memorycard from a camera
[17:20] <vinay_> thx Arwn
[17:20] <vinay_>  any advantages???
[17:20] <Arwen> one question mark, please
[17:20] <Arwen> and as for advantages... you get to use KDE :-P
[17:20] <prince_jammys> vinay_: yes
[17:20] <BluesKaj> cee, undeleting ?
[17:20] <llutz> cee: recoverjpeg maybe
[17:21] <onesandzeros> also, related to Xorg... I'm used to getting a basic xorg.conf through xorgconfig or xorgcfg and then madifying that.  That doesn't seem to exist, and I'm not seeing it in Adept.  X performance seems a bit odd, and I put my old gentoo xorg.conf in place, but it crashes out.
[17:21] <cee> BluesKaj, yes.. i have accedently deleteted some files. And i actually read a howto just some weeks ago about this
[17:22] <onesandzeros> *modifying, heheh
[17:22] <jhutchins> :info scotty
 vinay_: yes COULD U GIVE SOME EXAMPLES???
[17:23] <Arwen> !caps
[17:23] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> cee, do you have the jpegs on the hdd ?
[17:23] <prince_jammys> vinay_: kde apps are more configurable, have more features
[17:23] <onesandzeros> sub[t]rnl: just reread your line... actually, the kdm screen is taking up less than the full screen.  Whether the resolutino is right (16x12), I'm not sure.  It's hard to tell.
[17:23] <cee> BluesKaj: i have the memory card
[17:24] <cee> i will try to copy the raw image and use this recoverjpeg
[17:24] <unagi> anyone know how to get the side buttons of a logitech mouse working?
[17:24] <prince_jammys> vinay_: useful features --- like for example in "kate" (the default text editor) you can open a terminal inside the program as you edit text.  you can also do this in konqueror (a file/web browser) ... and more
[17:24] <Arwen> ^^ - that sounds like the single most pointless function ever
[17:25] <Arwen> why not just open the program and then open a terminal?
[17:25] <prince_jammys> Arwen: i'm not understanding
[17:25] <Arwen> then read it. One word at a time.
[17:26] <jhutchins> kde also uses more overlapping code so it can do more in less memory.
[17:26] <prince_jammys> Arwen: because editing a script and running it while i look at it in one window is handy
[17:26] <stdin> Arwen: maybe you're writing a script and want to test it? or writing code and want to compile it without opening another term? not a useless feature after all
[17:26] <prince_jammys> Arwen: read mine and think about it
[17:26] <Arwen> um... you could do that with a side terminal too...
[17:26] <Arwen> so yeah, it is stupid
[17:26] <stdin> why open another application just to do that?
[17:26] <osiris_> any idea why my server FS is read-only after a re-boot ?
[17:27] <prince_jammys> Arwen: yes, i could also do it in seperate consoles
[17:27] <osiris_> what can i do remotely to troubleshoot this ?
[17:27] <Arwen> stdin, yes, because all of our apps should do everything possible at the exact same time
[17:27] <prince_jammys> Arwen: actually why not just use two seperate computers
[17:27] <Arwen> I definitely want my web browser to run an ssh server
[17:27] <prince_jammys> *separate
[17:27] <Distro^Junkie> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[17:27] <Distro^Junkie> hmmm
[17:27] <Arwen> And I definitely want GIMP to make powerpoint presentations
[17:27] <stdin> Arwen: just because *you* don't have a use for it, does not mean it's useless to everyone...
[17:27] <stdin> !xlibs
[17:27] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[17:27] <Arwen> just because someone might use it doesn't make it a good idea
[17:28] <stdin> Arwen: kparts are built into kde, it makes sense to use therm where it'd be useful
[17:28] <stdin> it's not like someone just built a text editor and built a terminal into it, kate uses the konsole part
[17:28] <fidelio> Hi everybody. Newby (48h of ubuntu) with few questions on synce..anybody expert on the subject?
[17:29] <BluDog_Anchorite> please pm ideas for fixing a read-only FS.  I will be stepping away for a moment.  I have remote access to the system, but no local.
[17:29] <NickPresta> fidelio, hey. Welcome to Kubuntu. What do you need help with?
[17:29] <Distro^Junkie> E: Package xlibs-dev has no installation candidate
[17:29] <unagi> ill give anyone that can get my side buttons working on my mouse 100 dollars in monopoly money
[17:29] <slow-motion> hi
[17:30] <NickPresta> !mouse | unagi
[17:30] <ubotu> unagi: Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[17:30] <unagi> oh my
[17:30] <unagi> the buttons are configured wrong
[17:30] <stdin> Distro^Junkie: just try xorg-dev, that should grab everything X includes needs
[17:31] <fidelio> Nick: trying to get my phone recognized on USB port to sync via synce.  I insatlled all synce pachage but when I connect cable to USB port nothing happens.  I found out that ttyUSB0,1,2....etc don't exists
[17:31] <wad> Hmm. Any idea why CTRL-ALT-F1 just gives a blank screen on my new Kubuntu box?
[17:31] <Distro^Junkie> thanx stdin
[17:32] <BluesKaj> wad, that's the TTY prompt like the konsole
[17:32] <wad> BluesKaj: yeah, on the rest of my linux boxen, I get a console. On this one, my monitor just turns off. :(
[17:32] <unagi> this is going to annoy me, my mouse wheel isnt working right
[17:33] <NickPresta> fidelio, hmm. When you run synce-kde from the command line, do you get any errors or warnings?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> wad, try ctrl+alt+F7 to back to the desktop
[17:33] <wad> I wonder if I have to *shudder* edit my xorg.conf file...
[17:33] <wad> BluesKaj: yes, that works. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to talk to you right now. :)
[17:33] <BluesKaj> wasd, to get back
[17:34] <fidelio> nick: $ synce-kde --> command not found
[17:34] <BluesKaj> well there's irssi irc client that works on TTY and konsole
[17:34] <wad> That's true. Bitchx is a good one.
[17:34] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:35] <wad> :) Why would the TTY not show on the monitor?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> TTY runs without X
[17:36] <wad> In my case, I don't see anything at all.
[17:36] <stdin> wad: try disabling the boot splash, that can sometimes mess with TTYs
[17:36] <wad> I discovered this a few minutes ago, when my X was all screwed up. I wanted a console to kill mplayer
[17:36] <wad> stdin: Ah, is that in menu.lst?
[17:37] <stdin> wad: yes, just remove all the instances of "splash"
[17:37] <NickPresta> fidelio, hmm. I actually haven't used synce before. I just installed the `synce-kde` package thinking it would give a GUI for synce, but it didn't. What did you run normally to start synce?
[17:37] <wad> kewl
[17:37]  * wad reboots
[17:38] <xerxes1358> Hello
[17:38] <fidelio> nick: never started synce...don't kwno how.  I start multisync..bu need ttyUSB0 setup...I start missing windows plugandplay
[17:39] <blekos> does anybody know if kde4 consumes more battery than kde3.5.x?
[17:39] <wad> Nope, that didn't do it. :(
[17:41] <ConstyXIV> does konqueror have an equivalent of noscript?
[17:44] <Lumooja> does apt-get have a command to force-remove something?
[17:45] <emilsedgh> yeah
[17:45] <emilsedgh> --force-all
[17:45] <stdin> that's a dpkg option iirc
[17:45] <Lumooja> says option not recognized
[17:46] <fidelio> anybody has experience with Synce?
[17:46] <Lumooja> or is there another way to fix broken links in Adept Manager
[17:47] <anabanana> hello world! does anybody knows a msn client that supports offline messenges?
[17:47] <vinay_>  if I want to someday work on linux, including "improving" a distro, HOW SHOULD I BEGIN??
[17:49] <apol|work> vinay_: #kubuntu-devel
[17:49] <apol|work> anabanana: amsn does afaik
[17:49] <Lumooja> ok, fixed the broken llinks, dunno how, just several apt-get and dpkg... :)
[17:50] <drbrown> I am having problems with my sata HD coming up as IDE,  Why would this all of a sudden happen?
[17:51] <fidelio> Anybody has experience with synce? nobody sync their device in linux?
[17:51] <unagi> can anyone help me figure out why my side buttons dont send any events to xev?
[17:52]  * nosrednaekim <3 the kmail feature which prompts you for an attachement if you have the word "attach" in the message but no attachment
[17:54] <xerxes1358> How stable is the New KDE 4 working for you guys? Would you recommend it for a working laptop? How many crashes / bugs have you had ?
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » very few bugs here, mostly a lack of features
[17:54] <nosrednaekim> 4.0.1 hasn't crashed on me once
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> and neither has any 4.0.1 program
[17:55] <xerxes1358> what function do you miss ?
[17:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> but it's still not the bee's knees, the mutt's nuts, or any other parts fo any other animals.  yet.
[17:55] <Arwen> nosrednaekim, time to upgrade then?
[17:55] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » mostly panel applets and panel config.
[17:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> the most annoying thing about kde4 is the desktop (that i've run into)
[17:56] <Arwen> oh yeah, what hasn't been ported to KDE4 yet?
[17:56] <unagi> im not on kde4
[17:56] <xerxes1358> What are these applets ?
[17:56] <xerxes1358> I am coming from windows
[17:56] <anabanana> apol|work: amsn supports offline messages?
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » knetworkmanager and guidance-power-manager are the ones i'm missing
[17:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> every icon that's there is considered a "widget" with its own controls, which makes everything incredibly cluttered and just...  annoying
[17:56] <Arwen> oh, I don't use those anyway. What about amarok?
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » xerxes1358 though of course you can use the kde3 ones
[17:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> amarok works
[17:56] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » amarok 3 still works fine
[17:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> no reason it wouldn't
[17:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> but of course, amarok 2 isn't out yet
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » i'd reccomend installing the kde3 version of gutsy and then installing kde4 alongside kde3
[17:57] <Arwen> is kde4 default in Hardy?
[17:57] <|Dreams|> on this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=167749 the man at the botoom says he apt-get reinstall etc etc what do i type in to do what he did
[17:57] <apol|work> anabanana: I think so, check amsn.sourceforge.net
[17:57]  * Arwen was gonna migrade eventually
[17:58] <fidelio> what anybody reccomend for securty/protection on ubuntu? I have firestarter, kclamAV and nessus....anything else I should install?
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> fidelio » thats plenty
[17:58] <|Dreams|> just make ur own home router using smoothwall on an old pc
[17:58] <Arwen> fidelio, that's actually overkill probably :-p
[17:58] <nosrednaekim> Arwen » there will be a kde3 and a kde4 CD
[17:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> fidelio: this isn't windows, you aren't targeted by every joe schmoe script kiddie
[17:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> you're already more than protected with just a few good rules in firestarter, the rest is, as Arwen mentioned, overkill.
[17:59] <llutz> fidelio: nessus? you don't know what that's for, don't you?
[17:59] <vinay_> THX   <prince_jammys> vinay_: useful features --- like for example in "kate" (the default text editor) you can open a terminal inside the program as you edit text.  you can also do this in konqueror (a file/web browser) ... and more
 vinay_: kde apps are more configurable, have more features  I SEE
[18:00] <Arwen> Daisuke_Laptop, actually, that statement wasn't linux-specific. For any platform, I find the only meaningful protection is a good firewall.
[18:00] <Arwen> And even that may be overkill.
[18:00] <fidelio> lluz: sure I do.  and you ...konne sie?
[18:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: nor was mine.  hence "just a few good rules in firestarter"
[18:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> knowledge and common sense beat loads of protective software on any platform
[18:01] <llutz> ^^ full ack
[18:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> okay, i did say "this isn't windows", but yeah
[18:01] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[18:01] <fidelio> ok then...thank you for your comments.
[18:02] <jpatrick> !de > fidelio
[18:02] <llutz> No so called firewall needed if you have a correct configured system
[18:02] <jpatrick> !away > lex79|Away
[18:03] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop » I may be getting a 1420 for college,hows yours holding up?
[18:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> absolutely awesome
[18:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> running gutsy
[18:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> the 965 is still problematic sometimes, but it's a lot bettter than it was originally
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> my current laptop is rather underpowered by way of graphics, probably won't handle CAD well at all.
[18:04] <nosrednaekim> yeah, i'd get the nvidia option
[18:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> i wish i would have
[18:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> but as far as the machine goes, nice and stable
[18:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> sound has a bit of a problem coming out of suspend
[18:05] <unagi> anyone know why my side buttons might not report in xev?
[18:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> you have buttons on your side?
[18:05] <fidelio> #ubuntu-italy
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> !mouse
[18:05] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> lol
[18:05] <nosrednaekim> !it
[18:05] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:06] <siofwolves> talking of firewalls, i'm running ktorrent and i get the warning triangle in the bottom left of its window 'No incoming connections (possibly firewalled). is there somewhere i should open the port i'm using ? i didn't have this problem when i used to use windows.
[18:06] <ecue> Hey everyone
[18:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> ktorrent's upnp plugin should take care of that
[18:06] <ecue> Some help with Compiz?
[18:07] <siofwolves> Daisuke_Ido, ok. i'll look into it. thx.
[18:07] <ecue> how do i go about installing it
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[18:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[18:07] <Dragnslcr> Has anyone tried the Firefox 3 beta from the repository? Does it run well without destroying the Firefox 2 install?
[18:07] <ecue> thanks
[18:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dragnslcr: yes and yes
[18:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> imports everything directly from youf ff2 profile without damaging anything
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr » yeah... it doesn't affect 2
[18:08] <Dragnslcr> Thanks. Thinking about giving it a shot on my home computer
[18:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's pretty nice
[18:08] <Arwen> although, firefox3 has that hideous interface...
[18:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm still having problems getting java to work
[18:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dragnslcr: don't mind arwen, he's peeved about the built-in address bar search
[18:08]  * nosrednaekim is going to switch to konqueror 4 one of these days/
[18:08] <llutz> uPnP = security nightmare, read and thinkabout if you really need using it http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/flash-upnp-attack-faq/
[18:09] <Arwen> When I type in an address, I want it to go there. I never asked for a dozen unrelated suggestions that fill up my screen...
[18:09] <unagi> omg what am i doing wrong why wont xev see my side buttons???
[18:09] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, the interface doesn't worry me too much. As long as I can uninstall it if it bombs
[18:09] <nosrednaekim> what is xev?
[18:10] <prince_jammys> nosrednaekim: "x event" try it
[18:10] <llutz> xev (1x)             - print contents of X events
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> ah
[18:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> then another option would be to open the proper port in your router
[18:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> forward*
[18:11] <Riskbreaker> so here is a screenshot of my ksysguard process list,
[18:11] <Riskbreaker> http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3595/snapshot3qm7.png
[18:11] <Riskbreaker> there is a lot of kio_file and such. is that right?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> oh.... thats nice :)
[18:12] <Riskbreaker> kio_file, kio_http. whole lot of them. that seems to me like it's a bad thing.
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> Riskbreaker » do you have alot of filebrowsers and konqueror web pages open?
[18:13] <Riskbreaker> i have firefox...
[18:13] <Riskbreaker> i don't use konqueror..
[18:14] <Riskbreaker> i currently have firefox and konversation open, and nothing else
[18:14] <Riskbreaker> you know, i am looking at the proc list now
[18:14] <Riskbreaker> and it's gone back to looking reasonable
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> Riskbreaker » are they using alot of CPU or mem (sorry, can't load the pic right now)
[18:15] <Riskbreaker> i just have two kio_files now
[18:15] <Riskbreaker> no kio_http
[18:15] <Riskbreaker> 26,000 each
[18:15] <Riskbreaker> that sounds more reasonable to me
[18:16] <Riskbreaker> i just get worried when i see things like that
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> sounds good
[18:16] <s1ider> hi guys
[18:17] <s1ider> how can i enable mouse scrolling in kubuntu 7.10?
[18:18] <BluesKaj> s1ider, scroll wheel ?
[18:19] <vinay_> slider, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4344226
[18:19] <s1ider> yes
[18:19] <vinay_> hi unagi
[18:20] <siofwolves> Daisuke_Laptop, thanks for that ktorrent tip, that nastly little triangle has gone. :)
[18:20] <unagi> hi
[18:20] <unagi> ccan anyone help me figure out why xev doesnt see my side buttons?
[18:20] <Daisuke_Laptop> siofwolves: it's better to forward the port, though the upnp is a quick fix
[18:21] <siofwolves> Daisuke_Laptop, i believe my router is set correctly as it still works when i rarely use windows.
[18:22] <llutz> siofwolves: then ktorrent uses different ports than your win-torrent-client
[18:22] <barthkikuni> hi
[18:23] <schultza> hello all
[18:23] <barthkikuni> how are you all
[18:23] <barthkikuni> how speak french
[18:23] <prince_jammys> !fr | barthkikuni
[18:23] <ubotu> barthkikuni: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:23] <schultza> nein. spreche englisch
[18:24] <ubuntu_> hi all! i have a hot problem! i'm on kubuntu live
[18:24] <ubuntu_> there was 2 op-system on my pc
[18:24] <ubuntu_> windows and kubuntu
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Laptop, siofwolves .. a hint about ports..some euro ISPs are blocking port 6881 , so the solution seems tobe to open the portsb above 50,000 to access certain scandinavian sites (ahem) that have been bloacked in past weeks.
[18:24] <barthkikuni> merci, mais comment faire
[18:24] <prince_jammys> !enter | ubuntu_
[18:24] <ubotu> ubuntu_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[18:24] <ubuntu_> but i want to delete the kubuntu
[18:24] <llutz> BluesKaj: euro-ISP like comcast? ;)
[18:25] <barthkikuni> bye
[18:25] <BluesKaj> llutz, the large danish ISP for one
[18:25] <siofwolves> llutz, BluesKaj, i use port 65007 on both OS's
[18:25] <ubuntu_> i deleted kubuntu, and now windows don't boot...because: grub failure!
[18:26] <BluesKaj> siofwolves, good !
[18:26] <xerxes1358> What is the newest kubuntu called
[18:26] <xerxes1358> guttsy gibbon?
[18:26] <llutz> siofwolves: anyway, think and read about uPnp before using it. it's really dangerous
[18:26] <ubuntu_> xerxes yes
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_ , find help in #windows
[18:26] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: yep, that's normal. You need to boot your Windows CD, go into the recovery console and use fdisk -mbr
[18:26] <SlimeyPete> but yeah, #windows is a good place to ask.
[18:27] <SlimeyPete> for further details.
[18:27] <ubuntu_> i think grub isn't a windows program
[18:27] <unagi> is there a reason dolphin doesnt show file info anymore when i hover
[18:27] <schultza> it isnt
[18:27] <Arwen> Where is my tree view in dolphin? It's broken!
[18:27] <siofwolves> llutz, ok. i was enquiring if there was something i should be doing in kubuntu as it may have ports blocked by defualt.
[18:27] <siofwolves> default.*
[18:27] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: indeed, but you need to overwrite it with the Windows bootloader, which *is* a Windows program.
[18:27] <ubuntu_> and i have problem with the grub
[18:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> because d3lphin (which is what you're using if you're using kde 3) is trash
[18:27] <SlimeyPete> well, Windows-related
[18:28] <ubuntu_> SlimeyPete: okay
[18:28] <schultza> im fairly new to grub as well
[18:28] <BluesKaj> MBR - windows Master Boot Record
[18:28] <unagi> whats wrong with d3lphine =/
[18:28] <Arwen> it has a 3 in it
[18:29] <schultza> but i have it recognizing windows.. had to dismount the drive for linux (hd0) and used my windows cd to repair the startup files.... then have bios mount my drive with linux back on and it all works
[18:29] <xerxes1358> hm sweet Bittorrent download speed of Gutsy is getting above 800kbit.
[18:29] <Arwen> that's 100kB/s, not very fast
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » lots of people getting it I guess :)
[18:29] <schultza> id like to have your internet pipe, xerxes
[18:29] <SlimeyPete> schultza: if he's removed his kubuntu partition then he has removed his grub config files, so it won't work now.
[18:29] <schultza> faster than mine
[18:29] <Arwen> how can we all be envious of 100kB/s?
[18:29] <unagi> !d3lphin
[18:29] <schultza> 67 kbits
[18:30] <ubuntu_> okay thanks for all.... i will try it now
[18:30] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[18:30] <schultza> sorry kBs
[18:30] <xerxes1358> schultza, no you wont. The speed somehow has dropped to 5 kbit suddenly. Something is wrong
[18:30] <Lumooja> is there supposed to be compiz-fusion in kubuntu 8.04 in the adept manager?
[18:30] <nosrednaekim> Lumooja » yes
[18:30] <schultza> still faster than mine
[18:30] <xerxes1358> lol
[18:30] <ubuntu_> yes my grub files are deleted
[18:30] <xerxes1358> 5kbit ?
[18:30] <Lumooja> nosredaekim, how is it called? i can only find parts of it, but not the main program
[18:30] <BluesKaj> schultza, dialup?
[18:31] <schultza> thought you said it dropped by 5kbit.. nvrm
[18:31] <Arwen> I think you guys all mean kbyte instead of kbit........
[18:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah
[18:31] <ubuntu_> the linux partition formatted but what if i copy the windows boot loader files to that partition?
[18:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> because ktorrent shows KB/s, not Kb/s
[18:31] <xerxes1358> what does DISKOVERLOAD means in bittorrent? I have enough space left.
[18:31] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: you don't put them in a partition. You installed them to your MBR (a section at the beginning of the hard disk)
[18:31] <schultza> google it, xerxes.... at least try to research before asking....
[18:31] <SlimeyPete> -ed
[18:32] <xerxes1358> schultza, you are right sorry.
[18:32] <ubuntu_> hmm i see
[18:32] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: seriously, if you ask in #windows someone should be able to tell you exactly what to do, it involves the command "fdisk -mbr"
[18:32] <schultza> sorry on my end too...  but i keep getting that at work... i have to research something... before asking the L2s for help
[18:33] <xerxes1358> schultza, yeah I get carried away in excitement sometimes. Stop, count to three, think, research and then ask is a good way :)
[18:33] <schultza> lol
[18:34] <xerxes1358> schultza, anyways it is a limitation of uTorrent it seems.
[18:34] <schultza> brb
[18:35] <MIMB1> ubuntu_ this should do it:  http://ebestagent.com/wordpress/windows-tips/fix-mbr-or-master-boot-record/
[18:35] <unagi> ccan anyone help me figure out why xev doesnt see my side buttons?
[18:37] <Ar-Pharazon> Hello
[18:38] <fidelio> anybody has experience with synce?
[18:38] <ScorpKing> !grub > ubuntu_
[18:39] <ClaudioFelix> Hi all.. i have just installed kubuntu and i want to change its default language
[18:39] <xerxes1358> Sweet I am on 1.6MBit /sec download on Bittorrent again
[18:39] <ClaudioFelix> i already tried to to to Country/Region & Language
[18:39] <xerxes1358> 46minutes to go to install Kubuntu
[18:39] <ClaudioFelix> Install New Language
[18:39] <ClaudioFelix> but it only displays english
[18:40] <ClaudioFelix> How can i add another language to it?
[18:40] <ClaudioFelix> I also found strange that adept is showing some apps grayed out..
[18:41] <MIMB1> unagi:  You may take a look at the information here.  It has alot of examples setting up mice in X.  http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/mouse7.html
[18:41] <ClaudioFelix> firefox for instance is showing like that..
[18:41] <ClaudioFelix> is there any way i can enable it?
[18:41] <unagi> my problem is more or less that the side buttons arent sending signals
[18:43] <Lumooja> man, kde4 on kub8.04 looks insanely good :) like an OS 20 years ahead of time...
[18:43] <Aikurn> so true
[18:43] <BluesKaj> looks good eh ...wonder how well it works tho ?
[18:43] <MrJigsaw> kub8.04 ? What is that ?
[18:43] <unagi> is kde4 out of the bug stage?
[18:43] <MIMB1> unagi:  I can't help much more, but if memory serves it may be the Option "Protocol" you are using in your xorg.conf...
[18:44] <Lumooja> mrjibsaw, i meant kubuntu 8.04
[18:44] <wesley> can someone help me the taskbar in kde4 will not boot by default
[18:44] <MIMB1> I'd look there, and at the Option "Buttons"
[18:44] <ClaudioFelix> oh.. by the way.. i just intalled kubuntu 7.10
[18:44] <unagi> what should protocol be
[18:44] <MIMB1> unagi:  depends on the mouse.
[18:44] <unagi> logitech v220
[18:45] <Authority> ClaudioFelix: check that the kde-I10n-<lang> package for the language you want to use in KDE has been installed
[18:46] <ClaudioFelix> thanks authority... but where do i do that? in adept_manager?
[18:46] <Authority> ClaudioFelix: oops, that may only be for KDE4, let me dig some more
[18:46] <richie> I am converting my kde3 system to kde4... I want to remove the kubuntu-desktop package with all its dependecies, right now its only removing the package and no dependencies... how can I fix this?
[18:46] <unagi> how do i find out what protocol MIMB1
[18:47] <Lumooja> richie, you shouldn't perhaps remove kde3, since if you get problems in kde4, you can't switch back to kde3 and fix them...
[18:47] <richie> i got a fresh install
[18:47] <unagi> brb
[18:47] <richie> so if anything goes wrong
[18:47] <richie> it dont matter
[18:47] <Lumooja> richie, i just had kde4 hang because i didn't load nvidia drivers before i activated 3d effects...
[18:47] <richie> im just testing
[18:47] <Authority> ClaudioFelix: yes, you would use adept for this.  I think for KDE3.x, you want one of the language-pack-kde-<lang> packages
[18:47] <richie> I dont like mixing packes
[18:47] <richie> packages*
[18:47] <richie> it gets confusing
[18:47] <MIMB1> unagi:  Sorry, no experience with that particular mouse, and I don't have time to wade through a google search.
[18:48] <Lumooja> richie, well it won't be needed when kde4 is released, but for alpha testing it might be better :)
[18:48] <ClaudioFelix> hmm..
[18:48] <richie> I really like the look of kde 4
[18:48] <richie> it made me say wow
[18:48] <ClaudioFelix> it doesn't show up
[18:48] <Lumooja> richie, yeah me too
[18:49] <ClaudioFelix> maybe i have to fiddle with software sources to include other repositories than the official 7.10?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> kde4 looks like OSX :)
[18:49] <Lumooja> richie, the menu system feels first a bit clumsy, but once you realize that it remembers the spot where you where, it's very powerful
[18:49] <Authority> ClaudioFelix: what language are you trying to install?
[18:50] <ClaudioFelix> it's funny.. because i come from slackware, and with it we just install the packages directly from kde.. or compile from source..
[18:50] <vinay_> lovemodo, this is a movie on linux...................must watch.........(http://www.revolution-os.com/)..for download, use http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3211770/Revolution_OS                   U have No copyright problem.
[18:50] <ClaudioFelix> and here with all these managers i'm a little lost :P
[18:50] <ClaudioFelix> hehe
[18:50] <ClaudioFelix> pt-BR
[18:50] <ClaudioFelix> i guess i got it
[18:50] <MIMB1> unagi:  Okay, found something on the ubuntu forums..  you may want to check it out too:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=249969
[18:51] <ClaudioFelix> i went to manage repositories
[18:51] <ClaudioFelix> i checked some other repository boxes
[18:51] <ClaudioFelix> now its downloading some more package listings
[18:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> nice, ff3 will install flash automatically if it's needed
[18:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> or not
[18:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> it looked like it would
[18:55] <emilsedgh> thats Fx, not FF or ff or Ff or fF!
[18:55] <Authority> ClaudioFelix: I've never actually installed another language, but if you just search for portuguese, adept should return quite a few apropriate packages
[18:55] <Xbehave> it fails, just download manually and unpack unless the repo has been fixed
[18:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> emilsedgh: what?
[18:56] <emilsedgh> Daisuke_Ido: Firefox is Fx, not ff :D
[18:56] <ClaudioFelix> ye
[18:56] <ClaudioFelix> yep
[18:56] <ClaudioFelix> indeed authority
[18:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> firefox
[18:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> ff
[18:56] <ClaudioFelix> it was only that inmanage repositories there was nothing checked
[18:56] <ClaudioFelix> in downloadable from the internet
[18:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> you can use your own little shorthand all you want, but the vast majority of people that use firefox understand the shortened version to be ff
[18:57] <ClaudioFelix> after i checked "canonical supported..."
[18:57] <ClaudioFelix> all those missing packages appeared
[18:57] <ClaudioFelix> thanks for your help anyway!
[18:57] <emilsedgh> Daisuke_Ido: im not forcing you man :)
[18:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> k
[19:05] <draik> What can I use to edit a song? I want to get just a snippet for a ringer on my phone.
[19:06] <SlimeyPete> audacity?
[19:06] <draik> SlimeyPete: Weird... it wasn't installed
[19:07] <Lumooja> umm, wth: firefox 3.0? in kubuntu? :)
[19:07] <Liono> any ideas for linux net cafe? how to make a start?
[19:08] <ScorpKing> Liono: there are a few ways. join #kubuntu-offtopic .will talk in there
[19:09] <vinay_>  lovemodo, this is a movie on linux...................must watch.........(http://www.revolution-os.com/)..for download, use http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3211770/Revolution_OS                  I have watched the movie "Revolution OS". I downloaded it from here .
[19:09] <vinay_> i think it is non-copyrighted.
[19:09] <vinay_> I really enjoyed watching it, because it was so informative. It featured Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond, etc., i think that it is a MUST-WATCH.
[19:09] <Liono> k
[19:10] <Seren> hello
[19:10] <Seren> I got a problem with kicker
[19:10] <Seren> I can't "unlock panel"
[19:10] <ScorpKing> !ot > vinay_
[19:10] <Seren> it stays locked and I dunno how to unlock it
[19:10] <Seren> i alreaday tried to erase .kde/share/config/kicker
[19:10] <Seren> sudo dkpg-reconfigure kicker without any success
[19:11] <Seren> anyone got other ideas ?
[19:13] <cheguevara> Seren, what do you mean by locked
[19:13] <Tm_T> Seren: rightclick panel -> "unlock panel" ?
[19:13] <Seren> you can lock and unlock kicker with a rigt click
[19:13] <GuiBlanco> hi... I have a partition mounted as /var/www using vfat fs. I am trying to checkout a project which contains sym links. The svn co does not work (operation permitted) when it reaches these files. What can I do to solve it? Here is my fstab line
[19:13] <Seren> yup Tm_T
[19:13] <GuiBlanco> UUID=9234-46BA  /var/www        vfat    owner,users,rw,defaults,utf8,umask=000,gid=46,uid=blanco,auto 0       1
[19:13] <Tm_T> Seren: that should unlock
[19:13] <Seren> it does not
[19:13] <Seren> something is broken on my installation
[19:14] <cheguevara> Seren, there's a kickerrc file somewhere in .kde try finding it and deleting it
[19:14] <cheguevara> can't check where since i only got kde 4
[19:14] <Seren> cheguevara> I tried already
[19:14] <Seren> it does not work either
[19:14] <BluesKaj> Seren, try to change settings in kcontrol/taskbar
[19:14] <cheguevara> can try deleting the whole .kde dir, but thats too extremem i guess
[19:15] <Seren> where is the taskbar configuration in system settings ? I don't remember
[19:16] <BluesKaj> Seren, alt+F2 , kdesu kcontrol
[19:16] <Seren> ok thx
[19:17] <Seren> that's funny when I change something in kcontrol and click apply nothing happens
[19:18] <Liono> is there a way that i can give a user readonly acces to his home folder?
[19:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> why would you restrict a user to read-only in his *own* home folder?
[19:19] <Seren> (ok without kdesu it works better I can somewhat modify the panel )
[19:19] <Lumooja> OMG firefox 3 rocks! :)
[19:19] <Jack111> hi
[19:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> wait, i forgot, nevermind
[19:19] <Liono> i heard that its impossible to give the user readonly acces only to his home folder as it belongs to him and he can make changes any time?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> Lumooja, did you get it to put an icon on the desktop ?
[19:20] <Lumooja> blueskaj, yes after reboot
[19:20] <Jack111> how can i make konqueror store passowrds in kwallet?
[19:20] <Seren> ( I style can't unlock it though)
[19:20] <aldaek> can you install firefox via apt-get|aptitude?
[19:20] <Lumooja> blueskaj, or well, it appeared in the k-menu after reboot
[19:20] <BluesKaj> Lumooja, does it replace FF2
[19:20] <Lumooja> blueskaj, yea way much
[19:21] <sfire> makes you wonder what kinda bugs are in the new firefox
[19:21] <BluesKaj> did you use adept Lumooja ?
[19:21] <aldaek> can you install ff3 via apt-get?
[19:21] <Lumooja> sfire, konqueror crashed quite often
[19:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> Liono: this is going to sound mean, but if you're going to be a sysadmin, it helps to be familiar with the OS you're administering FIRST.
[19:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> aldaek: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[19:21] <Lumooja> aldeak, yes at least in kubuntu 8.04
[19:21] <draik> Can AMR audio be converted to mp3?
[19:22] <GuiBlanco> can anyone help me?
[19:22] <Liono> Daisuke_Laptop can you tell me the answer first?
[19:22] <Lumooja> blueskaj, yes i use adept only... except when it crashed or gets broken links...
[19:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> no, because i don't think there is one
[19:22] <BluesKaj> ok Lumooja, thx
[19:23] <aldaek> i dont think its out yet... non-beta
[19:23] <aldaek> or is the devel releases pretty stable?
[19:23] <aldaek> s/is/are
[19:23] <Seren> So I can somewhat modify my panel through kcontrol
[19:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> restricting a user to read-only in his own home directory is not only difficult (if not impossible), it's stupid.  any program he launches?  settings get stored in that home folder, and with readonly access, he's going to spend more time screwing around trying to get the settings right than if it were just read/write
[19:23] <Seren> but still can't unlock the panel and move applications around
[19:24] <sfire> plus.. who cares about a user directory
[19:24] <misticwarrior> hey
[19:24] <warrend> hi
[19:24] <sfire> you NEVER store anything important in a user directory
[19:24] <aldaek> do you have to use write access to use execute rights?
[19:24] <aldaek> sfire: why not?
[19:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> sfire: i thought that went without saying :)
[19:25] <GuiBlanco> I have a partition mounted as /var/www using vfat fs. I am trying to checkout a project which contains sym links. The svn co does not work (operation not permitted) when it reaches these files (even when co'ing with root). What can I do to solve it?
[19:25] <misticwarrior> I need some help. I'm trying to configure a belkin wireless card. KNetworkManager doesn't work since I've tried to configure manually, and some commands like "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid myEssid" do nothing
[19:25] <misticwarrior> could someone help me ?
[19:26] <SlimeyPete> GuiBlanco: I imagine you'll have to checkout to somewhere else. I don't think you can make vfat do symlinks.
[19:26] <sfire> misticwarrior: is the wireless adapter even showing up when you do a ipconfig ?
[19:26] <GuiBlanco> hm.... ok SlimeyPete!
[19:26] <GuiBlanco> thanks for the info
[19:26] <Lumooja> aldaek, once you know where it crashes, it's pretty stable :)
[19:28] <misticwarrior> sfire:
[19:28] <misticwarrior> sfire: do you mean ifconfig ?
[19:28] <aldaek> is there a guide/tutorial about crash recovery and instrusion detection?
[19:28] <sfire> yes... sorry.. too long in the windows world
[19:28] <BluesKaj> FF3 , is fast ..impressive
[19:28] <sfire> lol
[19:28] <misticwarrior> sfire: iwconfig and ifconfig show my connection named "wlan0"
[19:28] <akh_> hi, some fast help. I want to name a folder in sda1 with capsl letters but it keeps reverting them to lowercase letters.
[19:29] <aldaek> akh_: where is this dir?
[19:29] <aldaek> and two, are you entering it in caps
[19:29] <Lumooja> blueskaj, yeah now when you say it i noticed too that it's insane fast. i was just paying attention to the awesome url bar features and bookmarks and stuff
[19:29] <akh_> aldeak: a usb drive, and I use shift to write the folder name
[19:29] <misticwarrior> sfire: and my card worked with KNetworkManager, automatically. But I had to click on my essid and enter my key each time it started. And I want my connection to be started before kdm, like with a wired connection. So I tried manually and I cannot configure it efficiently... :S
[19:30] <BluesKaj> Lumooja, it saved all my stuff
[19:30] <aldaek> do you also have the caps lock on while using shift?
[19:30] <aldaek> i know ,its a double shift = no shift....
[19:30] <akh_> aldeak: no, i've also tried to copy the folder and subfolders in capitals but it reverse them to lowercase again
[19:30] <Lumooja> blueskaj, "Unfiles Bookmarks" is also cool idea... no more 10km long lists :)
[19:31] <warrend> is it normal that gdebi-kde crashes when installing a package?
[19:31] <aldaek> oh... is usb formated with fat or ntfs?
[19:31] <sfire> misticwarrior: sounds like a problem kwallet
[19:31] <sfire> that stores all my wireless passwords and such
[19:31] <akh_> aldeak: it's a vfat
[19:31] <Hawk_> hm, what's up with"Package openssh-server is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[19:31] <Hawk_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[19:31] <Hawk_> is only available from another source
[19:31] <Hawk_> E: Package openssh-server has no installation candidate"?
[19:32] <Hawk_> obsoleted, but by what?
[19:32] <aldaek> Hawk_: what vers?
[19:32] <akh_> aldeak: i'm trying to import a few things to my ps3 but it will only accept if it's written in capitals
[19:32] <aldaek> of *ubuntu?
[19:32] <Hawk_> latest kubuntu, hardy I believe?
[19:33] <Dave> Help, I went to www.kiro710.com and listened to the stream on liquid compass, now I dont have a Task bar even after reboot
[19:33] <aldaek> is this usb a direct cable to the ps3 or a usb flash drive?
[19:33] <misticwarrior> sfire: no, I configured KNetworkManager not to use kwallet. And in fact, my card should work WITHOUT KNetworkManager... I just wan KNetworkManager to show me the status of my connection, not to configure it -.-
[19:33] <Seren__> dave > ALT+F2 kicker
[19:33] <aldaek> um.. hardy is 6.06?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> strange Lumooja my desktop icon dialog says FF3 , but after launching and checking "about FF" , the version is 2.0012. That's strange ?
[19:33] <Lumooja> aldaek, no
[19:33] <Authority> Hawk_: you could try apt-cache search OpenSSH and see what packages look like it might install what you want
[19:33] <akh_> aldeak: a stand alone usb drive.
[19:33] <Lumooja> aldaek, hardy is 8.04 alpha4 at the moment
[19:34] <Hawk_> Auth, oh you mean like:
[19:34] <Hawk_> sparhawk@crow:~$ sudo apt-cache search sshlibssl0.9.8 - SSL shared librariesrdiff-backup - remote incremental backupopenssh-client - secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement
[19:34] <Dave> Seren__: then what?
[19:34] <Hawk_> there's nothing there?
[19:34] <Lumooja> blueskaj, well mine is 3.0b3, with some cool robot  :)
[19:34] <Seren__> then you will get a taskbar ?
[19:34] <aldaek> ok... now its a hard drive or hard drive like.. so it has a file format.... is it ext3, fat, ntfs... what format is it?
[19:34] <Hawk_> openssh-server isn't even listed
[19:34] <Lumooja> blueskaj, maybe you need to uninstall ff2 first
[19:34] <Hawk_> and I tried updating the repos, it says it's up to date
[19:34] <Seren__> by task bar you mean the default one at the bottom ?
[19:34] <Hawk_> just installed the openssh-server package on my Ubuntu 7.10 main desktop
[19:35] <Dave> no, thats a run command dialog
[19:35] <Dave> yes
[19:35] <Seren__> type kicker in that
[19:35] <Authority> Hawk_: well no, that's not exactly what I said
[19:35] <akh_> aldeak: it's a Sony Memory Card Pro Duo (1gb) attached to a psp, using it as a cardhub.
[19:35] <Dave> ok
[19:35] <BluesKaj> funny tjo Lumooja , adept says FF3 is installed ...weirdness here :)
[19:35] <Seren__> you should get your taskbar back at least for this session
[19:35] <Lumooja> blueskaj, did you reboot?
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yup
[19:35] <Seren__> ( or your taksbar is simply hidden somewhere )
[19:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> rebooting is NOT a solution
[19:35] <aldaek> did you format this drive? or begun using it as-is?
[19:35] <akh_> aldeak: and like a said the filesystem/format is vfat
[19:36] <Authority> Hawk_: what are you trying to install?  OpenSSL or OpenSSH?
[19:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless it's a kernel update :D
[19:36] <akh_> aldeak: i haven't formated it. i'll try that.
[19:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> BluesKaj: from a terminal: firefox-3.0
[19:36] <aldaek> fat based formats are not case sensitive
[19:36] <Dave> Seren__: nope, nothing happens
[19:36] <Lumooja> saisuke_laptop, bullshit, rebooting fixes kde4 menu entries
[19:36] <prince_jammys> emma killall bonobo-activation-server
[19:36] <aldaek> you cant have sda1 and SDA1
[19:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> aldaek: but bash/dash are
[19:36] <aldaek> in vfat
[19:36] <Seren__> dave > launch a Konsole the same way
[19:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> Lumooja: rebooting is not a solution, and watch your language
[19:36] <Seren__> and type sudo apt-get install kicker
[19:36] <Dave> ok
[19:37] <Seren__> ( it should be installed anyway )
[19:37] <akh_> aldeak: is there a fileformat i can use instead?
[19:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> Lumooja: AT MOST, you would restart X
[19:37] <Lumooja> daisuke_laptop english is an international language
[19:37] <Hawk_> Auth, like I said, openssh-server
[19:37] <misticwarrior> anyone else could help me to configure "etc/network/interfaces" ?
[19:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> just because rebooting works doesn't mean it's the be-all end-all solution
[19:37] <aldaek> Daisuke_Laptop: i understand, but he's writing to a vfat.. not ext#
[19:37] <Dave> it was it went away  after i visited the site
[19:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> Lumooja: i was referring to your cursing, which is unacceptable here
[19:37] <Hawk_> which installed fine on a ubuntu 7.10 but this kubuntu (7.04) will not find it
[19:38] <Authority> Hawk_: well why did you search for openssl?  search for openssh and see what that returns
[19:38] <Hawk_> I'm assuming they'd default to the same repositories
[19:38] <Lumooja> daisuke_laptop hmm ok, althought in britain it's not considered cursing, just smalltalk
[19:38] <Hawk_> I didn't, I searched for "ssh"
[19:38] <Hawk_> that's what came up
[19:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> like you said, it's international
[19:38] <Hawk_> three hits, no server
[19:38] <Lumooja> ok, point taken
[19:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> Hawk_: make sure your repos are right
[19:38] <SlimeyPete> erm, it is considered cursing in Britain.
[19:38] <Hawk_> Daisuke, how would I go about doing that?
[19:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> i just did apt-cache policy openssh-server (gutsy) and it's there
[19:39] <aldaek> configuration settings, not that its up-to-date
[19:39] <Lumooja> slimeypete, oh yeah i meant "bollocks"
[19:39] <Hawk_> since this kubuntu is obv not looking in the same place that my existing ubuntu is
[19:39] <Dave> Seren__: nothing happens no matter what i put into the laincher
[19:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> bollocks is different :)
[19:39] <Lumooja> yeah sorry, it's just my bad english
[19:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> Hawk_: they use the same repos
[19:39] <SlimeyPete> that word is also considered cursing in Britain...
[19:39] <SlimeyPete> you can't say it on TV before 9
[19:39] <Seren__> dave > I don't really understand what happened to your computer, what happens if you relaunch a session ?
[19:40] <Hawk_> Daisuke, I would assume so
[19:40] <Hawk_> so how do I explain this not working?
[19:40]  * SlimeyPete shrugs... doesn't bother me either way tbh ;)
[19:40] <Hawk_> only thing different was that this kubuntu didn't have internet during the initial install
[19:40] <Lumooja> hawk_ you mean 8.04?
[19:40] <Hawk_> could that maybe have made it somehow not properly be connecting to the repos?
[19:40] <Dave> Seren__:no taskbar comes up even after  reboot
[19:40] <Authority> Hawk_: then you probably need to check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:40] <Hawk_> hrm. whatever the latest one off the website is, Lumo
[19:41] <Lumooja> hawk_ that would be 7.10
[19:41] <Seren__> when you type ALT+F2 then "konsole" do you get a console ?
[19:41] <Hawk_> *ahem*
[19:41] <Hawk_> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security universe
[19:41] <Hawk_> *giggles*
[19:41] <Hawk_> heheh thx
[19:41] <Hawk_> Lumo, then it's 7.10. :)
[19:41] <Dave> Seren__: had auto hide on, now it seems to be perminantly hidden
[19:42] <Dave> Seren__: yes
[19:42] <Seren__> then you can try to launch kcontrol
[19:42] <Dave> ok
[19:42] <Seren__> in "taskbar" you can rollback to default
[19:43] <Dave> Seren__: the kcontrol comes up
[19:43] <Authority> Hawk_: no problem
[19:43] <Ops> Hola
[19:43] <Dave> just a sec
[19:43] <Seren__> ok it is then in desktop\Panels, "hiding" tabs
[19:43] <Seren__> and try default then apply and see what happens
[19:43] <warrend> someone know why gdebi-kde can't install a package?
[19:44] <misticwarrior> do someone know how to configure manually a wireless card (already installed with ndiswrapper and recognized by the system)
[19:44] <Hawk_> there we go, it's updating from sources... had to uncomment all those lines
[19:45] <Hawk_> *grmbl*  well thanks guys. :)
[19:45] <murshed> hii
[19:46] <murshed> hello
[19:46] <murshed> any 1 here plz
[19:46] <Hawk_> <3 #kubuntu
[19:46] <jpatrick> !anyone | murshed
[19:46] <ubotu> murshed: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[19:47] <Dave> Seren__: still no taskbar
[19:47] <murshed> need a help
[19:47] <murshed> how i chang boot image
[19:47] <Seren__> what happens if you try to move it around and put it at the top ?
[19:48] <murshed> i use a ANKURBANGLA kubuntu in Bangladesh. plz help me. i want to chng my bOOt screen
[19:48] <murshed> i use a ANKURBANGLA kubuntu in Bangladesh. plz help me. i want to chng my bOOt screen
[19:48] <Pici> !usplash | murshed
[19:48] <ubotu> murshed: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[19:48] <Seren__> you can try "dpkg-reconfigure kicker" but I am not sure it will do anything
[19:49] <murshed> Ubuntu thnx
[19:50] <Dave> Seren__: put what on top?
[19:50] <murshed> thnx many many
[19:50] <Seren__> your taskbar
[19:50] <Seren__> in kcontrol \ panels
[19:50] <Dave> Seren__: there is no taskbar to move arount
[19:50] <Seren__> in kcontrol you can select another position, if it works you should see your (invisible) taskbar moving
[19:51] <cheguevara> is anyone running hardy and has wine installed?
[19:51] <Seren__> dave > well I am out of ideas, try to find someone more knowledgable
[19:51] <murshed> Ubuntu: can i chng my OS UBUNTU name.... how can chng name UBUNTU. i want replace UBUNTU by fahim or EBUNTU. how can i do it. for give me i'm not well in english.
[19:51] <Dave> Seren__:ok thanks for the help
[19:52] <Lumooja> hmm is there seperate channel for 8.04?
[19:52] <Dave> help, i lost my taskbar after going to a specific site,(think i have a virus)
[19:53] <murshed> Ubuntu can i chat pvt plz
[19:53] <murshed> Ubuntu can i chat pvt plz
[19:53] <ScorpKing> !hardy
[19:53] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[19:53] <ScorpKing> Lumooja: there ^
[19:53] <Lumooja> ubotu ok thanks, so it would be then #kubuntu+1 for me
[19:54] <ScorpKing> Lumooja: no, #kubuntu+1 does not exist
[19:54] <Lumooja> scorpking yeah i noticed, that sucks
[19:54] <Dave> guess ill try ubuntu
[19:55] <Lumooja> scorpking i wanted a clean channel with no obsolete version and gnome users...
[19:55] <Liono> i am playing a game on wine. but its mouse moves like in peaces. slow. like a picture with low frame rate. and i cant scroll smoothly too. whats wrong.?
[19:55] <unagi> can anyone help me figure out why now xev doesnt detect anything from my side mouse buttons
[19:55] <akh_> thanks everyone
[19:56] <murshed> Ubuntu
[19:57] <Lumooja> murshed, cursing is not allowed in this channel
[19:57] <sparhawk_> hm, oh, OK
[19:57]  * sparhawk__ looks at sparhawk_
[19:57] <Seren__> how can I reset my kde installation ?
[19:57] <Seren__> ( something lighter than removing .kde if possible )
[19:58] <ScorpKing> Seren__: mv .kde .kdeold
[19:58] <murshed> any OP here
[19:58] <Seren__> ScorpKing:
[19:58] <Seren__> i will try that and see what happens :)
[19:58] <ScorpKing> murshed: a few so plz behave ;)
[19:59]  * unagi cries out for help
[19:59] <unagi> =/
[19:59] <jpatrick> hi unagi
[19:59] <unagi> hi
[19:59] <murshed> any OP her plz
[19:59] <murshed> help
[19:59] <murshed> help
[19:59] <jpatrick> murshed: what's up?
[20:00] <unagi> i just want my side buttons to work again =*(
[20:00] <ubuntu> hi all
[20:00] <murshed> jpatrick:  how to creat a channel and save?? here
[20:00] <murshed> wc Ubuntu wc
[20:00] <murshed> welcome back ubuntu
[20:00] <ubuntu> can you read me?
[20:00] <murshed> Ubuntu can i chat pvt plz
[20:00] <Pici> ubuntu: roger that.
[20:00] <murshed> yEs ubuntu
[20:00] <jpatrick> murshed: /msg Chanserv help register
[20:00] <JoshOvki> no ubuntu :)
[20:01] <ubuntu> i cant
[20:01] <ubuntu> this version is baad
[20:01] <ubuntu> sorryç
[20:01] <JoshOvki> ubuntu: you cant what?
[20:01] <ubuntu> i cant chat in private
[20:02] <ubuntu> i dont know why
[20:02] <Qrawl> !java
[20:02] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[20:02] <jpatrick> !register > ubuntu
[20:02] <jpatrick> !msgthebot > Qrawl
[20:02] <murshed> ubuntu
[20:03] <jpatrick> !ot | murshed, ubuntu
[20:03] <unagi> ill give someone a cookie to help me figure out this mouse button problem
[20:03] <ubotu> murshed, ubuntu: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:03] <unagi> 2 cookies?
[20:03] <Authority> unagi: have you tried using evdev as your mouse driver?
[20:04] <murshed> HELP. how can i RUN windows Soft??? plz help
[20:04] <murshed> HELP. how can i RUN windows Soft in UBUNTU??? plz help
[20:04] <Hawk-> murshed, apt-get install wine
[20:04] <Hawk-> or try Virtualbox
[20:04] <murshed> where it found
[20:04] <murshed> i'm new user
[20:04] <murshed> but i intrest LINUX
[20:05] <murshed> it nice also WINDOWS
[20:05] <Hawk-> either use synaptic, or apt-get/apt-search from a terminal
[20:06] <murshed> plz tell me
[20:06] <murshed> where i found
[20:06] <unagi> Authority: ive tried a bunch of things =/
[20:06] <murshed> link me plz
[20:07] <X314> !wine > murshed
[20:07] <Liono> i am playing a game on wine. but its mouse moves like in peaces. slow. like a picture with low frame rate. and i cant scroll smoothly too. whats wrong.? do i have a wine config problem that the game doesnt runs good? (redalert)
[20:09] <unagi> oooh Authority you messed up my pc
[20:10] <Authority> unagi: I did?
[20:10] <Authority> awesome
[20:10] <unagi> i changed the driver to evdev and x wont start
[20:10] <unagi> =)
[20:10] <unagi> hooray for irssi
[20:10] <ScorpKing> unagi: hehe. try vesa
[20:10] <X314> Liono: might be that everything has to go through wine and all and that just makes it slow. has it worked properly before?
[20:10] <Authority> unagi: do you have evdev support in the kernel?
[20:11] <ScorpKing> unagi: and please next time make a backup of any files that you plan on changing :P
[20:11] <X314> unagi: playing with x drivers is no fun -.- I have crashed myself many a time with that :p
[20:11] <Liono> X314 this is the first time iam using wine
[20:11] <unagi> Authority: how do i tell
[20:11] <NthDegree> Liono: Wine is still in BETA
[20:11] <unagi> X314: i dont mind much anymore, it doesnt scare me when x doesnt start
[20:11] <unagi> especially since i figured out irssi =)
[20:11] <NthDegree> Liono: not all apps will run smoothly on it especially games
[20:11] <Authority> unagi: um... lsmod|grep evdev
[20:12] <unagi> it use to freak me out!
[20:12] <X314> unagi: I mostly get annoyed :p
[20:12] <Liono> NthDegree X314 do i have any alternative for wine?
[20:12] <NthDegree> Liono: all the alternatives are in BETA too
[20:12] <NthDegree> though Cedega may do it
[20:12] <Authority> unagi: I break X all the time
[20:12] <unagi> evdev 11136 5 is the output Authority
[20:12] <NthDegree> but that costs
[20:12] <unagi> i like how x tells you why it wont start =)
[20:12] <NthDegree> Liono: talk to #winehq and see if there are any tweaks they know of
[20:12] <unagi> most of the time anyway
[20:13] <Authority> unagi: can you pastebin Xorg.0.log?
[20:13] <unagi> ....
[20:13] <Authority> links?
[20:13] <unagi> if you can explain to me how to do that from the command prompt
[20:13] <Authority> or lynx
[20:13] <Authority> or wget if you're hardcore
[20:13] <unagi> er virtual terminal.....whatever the heck its called
[20:13] <unagi> !lynx
[20:13] <ubotu> Browsers available for Ubuntu: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), w3m (terminal-based), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), edbrowse (command-line), Opera (Qt, proprietary)
[20:14] <ScorpKing> unagi: did you edit xorg.conf?
[20:14] <unagi> ScorpKing: sure did
[20:14] <Authority> unagi: or you can just paste it in a /msg to me
[20:14] <unagi> how do you copy and paste from the shell
[20:14] <unagi> without x
[20:14] <Authority> unagi: gpm
[20:14] <seren_> "cp"
[20:14] <unagi> not files seren_ text
[20:14] <unagi> Authority: dcc send?
[20:15] <seren_> sorry
[20:15] <ScorpKing> unagi: when i run out of ideas getting x back i boot from the livecd and copy the xorg.cong to the disk and all is well again ;)
[20:15] <ScorpKing> xorg.conf*
[20:15] <Authority> unagi: I doubt that will work.  there is "pastebinit - command-line pastebin client"
[20:15] <unagi> i could fix it ScorpKing i just dont want to, im trying to get my 5 button mouse to work
[20:16] <Liono> NthDegree X314 what alternavitives will i have to play games on linux?
[20:16] <ScorpKing> unagi: ah ok. play time then. have you tried google? i've seen some forums on the topic
[20:16] <X314> Liono: well there are games For linux.
[20:17] <Liono> X314 not as good as for windows
[20:17] <Liono> do i need to have ms direct x or some 3d accelaration thing?
[20:18] <X314> Liono: well. why dont you just make a 2nd partition on your HD and run windows Just for games then?
[20:19] <Authority> unagi: any progress?
[20:20] <unagi> 1 sec
[20:20] <Liono> nop
[20:20]  * Sbucat io odio i pignoli!
[20:20] <unagi> sorry answering phones at my parents computer store
[20:21] <Authority> Liono: if you're really interested in playing Windows games on Linux, check out http://www.transgaming.com/
[20:22] <Liono> ok
[20:22] <Liono> what are other ways to run windows games. other than wine and virtualistaion?
[20:22] <seren_> dual boot :p
[20:22] <unagi> Authority: paste.stgraber.org/718
[20:22] <ScorpKing> Liono: there is something else. let me get the link
[20:23] <unagi> !aim
[20:23] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) is supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC. See also !gaim
[20:23] <unagi> kopete crashes on me alot
[20:23] <BluesKaj> !gaim
[20:23] <Liono> ScorpKing emulation ?
[20:23] <Liono> Authority ^ ?
[20:23] <ScorpKing> Liono: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Linux+Unified+Kernel+?content=75484
[20:24] <BluesKaj> unagi, ppl are switching to pidgin, dunno for sure, don't use IM much
[20:25] <BluesKaj> !pidgin
[20:25] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It is available in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), but not previous versions. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[20:25] <Liono> ok
[20:25] <Liono> do you vote vmware  or qemu for playing games in terms of performance
[20:25] <Authority> unagi: can you pastebin the output of
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> Liono » vmware or virtualbox
[20:25] <Authority> 'cat /proc/bus/input/devices'
[20:25] <blekos> hi, in every tutorial I look for back up with I tar I see I should exclude /mnt directory, but nobody refers to /media directory why is that?
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> Liono » but niether can do 3d accel
[20:25] <Authority> unagi: and your xorg.conf
[20:26] <Liono> nosrednaekim sure?
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> blekos » /media is, AFAIK, not a very standard location to be mounting things, but ubuntu uses it anyway :)
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> Liono » yup.
[20:26] <Liono> then what can do 3d acceleration?
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> Liono » WINE
[20:26] <blekos> which is best wmware or virtualbox?
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> vbo IMO
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> *vbox
[20:27] <Liono> nosrednaekim any thing else?
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> Liono » for windows games?not as far as I know
[20:27] <Liono> nosrednaekim you said vbox cant do 3d acc
[20:27] <AndreSTC> ANy1 know what may be causing this? http://putimg.net/uploads/1203366213DSC01347.JPG Im getting this screen when kde is loaded, thats the login screen. It just happened to my notebook...
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> Liono » uhh yeah....
[20:27] <Liono> any alternative to wine ?
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> Liono » Cedega,which you have to pay for
[20:28] <seren_> anyone using strigi right now ?
[20:28] <Liono> nosrednaekim vmware can do 3d accel.
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> Liono » really? I did not know that... could give me a link for that?
[20:29] <benbread> Hey i just changed from kubuntu x86 to AMD64, at least i think i did - is there an easy way to find out which archetecture i'm using? Thanks :)
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> benbread » uname -a
[20:29] <dhq> what is the next release of kubuntu
[20:29] <Authority> Liono: hardware acceleration requires direct access to hardware, which virtulization is explicity designed not to allow
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> !hardy
[20:29] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:29] <benbread> nosrednaekim: Thanks :D
[20:30] <benbread> I'm assuming x86_64 is right
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » looking BTW
[20:30] <Liono> nosrednaekim nemo told me that in ##linux
[20:30] <Liono> Authority ^
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> Liono » well, get nemo to get me a link.
[20:31] <Authority> Liono: I use VMWare, it doesn't support hardware acceleration
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> Authority » BTW.... VMware fusion for mac can do 3d accel
[20:31] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim ?
[20:31] <unagi> brb
[20:32] <runlevelten> there's experimental hardware acceleration in vmware - I've used it
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » woah...
[20:33] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim bad, huh?
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » thats screwed up..... does it flicker?
[20:34] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: no
[20:34] <Liono> nosrednaekim Authority vmware fusion does
[20:35] <xerxes1358> What is the minimum disc requirement for Kubuntu + VmWare + Windows XP install ?
[20:35] <Authority> Liono: so it seems.  but you can't run fusion on your kubuntu machine
[20:35] <unagi> Authority: paste.stgraber.org/719
[20:35] <xerxes1358> What is the minimum disc requirement for Kubuntu + VmWare + Windows XP install ? = OpenOffice.
[20:35] <ScorpKing> xerxes1358: RAM for kubuntu + RAM for XP
[20:35] <NickPresta> sub[t]rnl, you there?
[20:36] <xerxes1358> ScorpKing, what do you mean
[20:36] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » i'd say about 10 gigs to be safe
[20:36] <unagi> xerxes1358: that depends on how much you want to give for xp
[20:36] <xerxes1358> ok
[20:36] <xerxes1358> unagi, I need to run Office 2007 in XP. I have 2.5gb ram.
[20:36] <RogueJediX> Hey. I have two soundcards, but the one I'm using is not set as default. What should I do?
[20:36] <ScorpKing> you'll need enough ram to run kubuntu and xp at the same time. say 512 for both so that's 1gb then
[20:36] <unagi> 1/2 to 1 gig of ram and 8 or 10 gigs of space for the vmware
[20:37] <unagi> Authority: are you still here?
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » thats plenty. does office2007 support windows 2000?
[20:37] <xerxes1358> I dont think so
[20:37] <Authority> unagi: you didn't configure evdev correctly.  try reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=219894 or pastebin /proc/bus/input/devices and I'll walk you through it
[20:37] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok, cause 2000 uses fewer resources
[20:38] <unagi> Authority: paste.stgraber.org/720
[20:38] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: any idea?
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » does the screen flicker?
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » ah nm.. I see your answer now
[20:39] <Jack111> hi
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » lets see if its a kde issue first... can you get into failsafe mode?
[20:39] <Authority> unagi: is that a wireless mouse?
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> (from KDM)
[20:40] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: im new to all this linux stuff, can you be more specific :/ ?
[20:40] <Jack111> i have got the problem that i can neither watch youtube vids nor eg use gmx to send text messages from konqueror
[20:40] <unagi> yes Authority
[20:40] <Jack111> the flash plugin is installed
[20:41] <unagi> whoa man dont flood
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> Liono » heh... seems the latest version of VMware server does support 3d (albeit in extreme beta functionality
[20:41] <unagi> lol
[20:41] <BluesKaj> !flashissues | Jack111
[20:41] <ubotu> Jack111: The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now, although it might not have yet reached all mirrors. If the update fails to install Flash, try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[20:41] <thomas_newbie__> how can i edit a file to change the default run level on boot?
[20:41] <thomas_newbie__> which file?
[20:41] <unagi> or was that a msg
[20:41] <unagi> lol
[20:41] <Liono> nosrednaekim thats not free
[20:42] <oloughlin75> thomas_newbie__: you do NOT want to be root.
[20:42] <Authority> unagi: that was a /msg
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> Liono » I think you can get a renewable trial version...
[20:42] <unagi> Authority: thats all i need in my xorg?
[20:42] <RogueJediX> Any idea at all?
[20:42] <thomas_newbie__> oloughlin75: no i want to change default run level
[20:42] <Authority> unagi: replace your current mouse configuration with that
[20:42] <unagi> Authority: should the name be Logitech v220?
[20:43] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: im new to all this linux stuff, can you be more specific :/ ? How can i enter on failsafe mode ?
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> Liono » seems its in workstation too...
[20:43] <oloughlin75> thomas_newbie__: look in the User Management under system settings
[20:43] <Authority> unagi: it has to match a name from /proc/bus/input/devices
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » on the KDM login screen, there is a sessions button, click it and select failsafe
[20:43] <simon12> aoooww :( Any one understand why I get his when I run compiz in console? http://pastebin.ca/908922
[20:43] <Authority> unagi: which in your case, would be "Logitech USB Receiver"
[20:43] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: i cant see any buton...is there any hotkey?
[20:44] <unagi> ok done
[20:44] <unagi> restart kdm?
[20:44] <Authority> unagi: you can change the Identifier to any string you want
[20:44] <Authority> unagi: yep, fire X up
[20:44] <unagi> k brb
[20:45] <unagi> x still isnt firing
[20:45] <thomas_newbie__> oloughlin75: how does user management have to do with that
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » should look like a little menu button...
[20:45] <unagi> failed to initialize core devices
[20:45] <unagi> fatal io error 104
[20:45] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: i know, but i cant see it... my screen is fucked up
[20:46] <Authority> unagi: start pastebin'ing  :-D
[20:46] <unagi> !ohmy | AndreSTC
[20:46] <ubotu> AndreSTC: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[20:46] <unagi> Authority: what do you want first
[20:46] <AndreSTC> unagi sorry
[20:46] <Authority> unagi: log file
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » oh.... you can't even get to the KDM login screen?
[20:46] <unagi> Authority: paste.stgraber.org/721
[20:46] <thomas_newbie__> anyone know how to change default run level?
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> !runlevel
[20:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:47] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: yea... the problem starts exactly at the kde login screen
[20:47] <BluesKaj> !info runlevel
[20:47] <ubotu> Package runlevel does not exist in gutsy
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » ok, can you go ctrl+alt+f2 and get a text login?
[20:49] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: yes, im there
[20:49] <thomas_newbie__> BluesKaj: then what modifies on boot?
[20:49] <unagi> is it possible to change the resolution of the terminal? :D
[20:49] <AndreSTC> [nosrednaekim]: i logged in there as root
[20:50] <BluesKaj> thomas_newbie__,http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/linux_hlrunlevels.html
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » cd to your home DIR
[20:50] <xerxes1358> Ok guys I am burning Kubuntu now. Finally moved everything from laptop to External HD
[20:50] <xerxes1358> 20 minutes left to install Kubuntu :)
[20:51] <unagi> xerxes1358: id like to reformat but im afraid i wont save everything
[20:51] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim done
[20:51] <thomas_newbie__> BluesKaj: but i can't find any /etc/inittab file
[20:52] <Elvanor> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu latest version
[20:52] <Elvanor> my wifi network does not work
[20:52] <oloughlin75> Elvanor: you might need to use ndiswrapper
[20:52] <Elvanor> The driver is correctly loaded but I can not get iwconfig to associate to my AP
[20:52] <oloughlin75> !ndiswrapper | Elvanor
[20:52] <ubotu> Elvanor: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[20:52] <Elvanor> oloughlin75: no, the driver is OK
[20:52] <oloughlin75> oo
[20:52] <Elvanor> iwconfig shows up the interface
[20:52] <lc> hello
[20:53] <Elvanor> but iwconfig key MYKEY does not associate...
[20:53] <lc> please help, this is urgent
[20:53] <lc> anyone?
[20:53] <Liono> how about play station games. i think linux would have an emulator. pcsx i think?   dont you think playstaion games are much better than windows games?
[20:53] <lc> hello
[20:54] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim im on my home dir
[20:54] <Dragnslcr> !ask | lc
[20:54] <ubotu> lc: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » yeah ok...i'm trying to figure out what to do
[20:54] <DexterF> hi
[20:54] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim oh, ok. take ur time
[20:54] <oloughlin75> Liono: you could give pcsx a shot
[20:54] <DexterF> is there anything like ebay turbolister for linux?
[20:54] <lc> please help, kde just got deleted while resizing resolution. How do i get it back?
[20:54] <xerxes1358> unagi, are you on windows ?
[20:55] <lc> ok?
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » lets try moving your .kde run "mv .kde .kde-backup"
[20:55] <DexterF> lc: nothing got deleted, the X server crashed obviously (the graphical system). what happens when you just restart?
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> lc » I don;t think it got DELETED
[20:55] <lc> black screen, when i run kde, it says no such command
[20:55] <Liono> oloughlin75 ok
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> lc » run "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[20:56] <BluesKaj> DexterF, ebay turbolister , does it run in a browser
[20:56] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim done
[20:56] <DexterF> BluesKaj: uh.. highly unlikely
[20:57] <DexterF> ebay web interface != TL
[20:57] <lc> no such file or directory
[20:57] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim should i restart?
[20:57] <lc> i have restarted x, restarted pc...
[20:57] <DexterF> lc: this is a little odd, indeed. all you did was change the screen res?
[20:58] <lc> i cant get it to run as root
[20:58] <lc> yes
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » no, just run "/etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[20:58] <lc> when i run sudo apt-get install kde
[20:58] <Elvanor> Ha , I got it working by running kdenetworkmanager
[20:58] <lc> have done
[20:58] <misticwarrior> hey
[20:58] <misticwarrior> how to stop a module like ndiswrapper ?
[20:58] <lc> 135(?) packages NEW
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » :)
[20:59] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim restarted, but the thing is still the same
[20:59] <DexterF> lc: did you mess with sources.list? ran upgrades?
[20:59] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: strange that manual configuration via iwconfig on the command line did not work
[20:59] <lc> no, but i have changed before
[20:59] <Elvanor> Now I need to install some languages
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » ok... something with X then. run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[20:59] <Elvanor> how do I do that?
[20:59] <Authority> unagi: I don't know man, I don't see anything wrong...
[20:59] <lc> yes, ran upgrades
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » do you have encyrption?
[21:00] <Elvanor> When I installed Kubuntu I selected  Russian and it said my whole system would be in russian
[21:00] <Elvanor> but it is in english now
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » and run "mv .kde-backup .kde"
[21:00] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: encryption?
[21:00] <Elvanor> my wifi has a WEP key yes
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » WPA, WEP
[21:00] <Elvanor> WEP
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » thats why it didn't work :)
[21:00] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim it said xserv-xorg is not installed
[21:00] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: why?
[21:00] <Elvanor> I did specify the key
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » xserver-xorg
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » oh... ok. well, sometimes it gets the size of the key messed up.
[21:01] <lc> still not working, tried all that you have said so far
[21:01] <oloughlin75> Elvanor: you can change the language in System Settings -> Regional and Language
[21:01] <Elvanor> I am new to Kubuntu, but am fairly advanced in Linux ( I am a Gentoo dev)
[21:01] <DexterF> lc: weird. got a fast line? then I'd say go and reinstall the packages. perhaps the filesystem really took a dent
[21:01] <Elvanor> oloughlin75: when I go to that place only one language is displayed, English
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » you've connected with iwconfig before?
[21:01] <lc> ya, wierd, but do i just plug in ethernet and go?
[21:02] <lc> it is laptop
[21:02] <oloughlin75> Elvanor: click install new language
[21:02] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: yeah, all the time with my gentoo boxes
[21:02] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim all done
[21:02] <Elvanor> oloughlin75: install new language does not show anything more than english
[21:02] <Elvanor> let me try again now that I have the network
[21:02] <DexterF> lc: well..  mostly... tho if you got the DVD or CD you can use that again, too. unless you already got updates via the web
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » try restarting kdm
[21:02] <lc> i put the cd in and tried apt-get, but it failed
[21:02] <DexterF> lc: you didn't change res while upgrading to a new version of kubuntu in the background, didn't ya?
[21:02] <oloughlin75> Elvanor: there should be a list. :/
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » there should be a "add language" button
[21:03] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim damn, i love you =)
[21:03] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim working fine now
[21:03] <lc> no, just changed res
[21:03] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim thanks a lot.
[21:03] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: the add language is only for installed languages
[21:03] <Elvanor> the add language button does not show more than english
[21:03] <oloughlin75> need to install new language
[21:03] <DexterF> lc: you're in win now?
[21:03] <Elvanor> Maybe I need to run apt-get something?
[21:03] <lc> no, mandriva machine
[21:03] <Elvanor> because the list is empty...
[21:04] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » oh.. and there is a "install languages" button ont he bottom
[21:04] <Elvanor> yes, that's the one I clicked
[21:04] <oloughlin75> Elvanor: is Russian in Slecet System language?
[21:04] <Elvanor> oloughlin75: yes, it is
[21:04] <oloughlin75> can you select it?
[21:04] <NorthByNorthWest> Hi all! Does anyone know how to disable compiz from autostarting using the terminal?
[21:05] <Elvanor> I can, but it does not change anything
[21:05] <DexterF> lc: ok. well, plug in the cat5, use your fav editor to hack up /etc/apt/sources.list (can paste you mine if you want) and reinstall kde. are you on 7.04 or 7.10?
[21:05] <lc> i would just reinstall system, but i've downloaded tons of apps, over 8gb, and won't remember them all
[21:05] <lc> 7.10
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » have you run "apt-get update" yet?
[21:06] <lc> i heve one cat5 so i will be right back... hold this line
[21:06] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: no
[21:06] <Elvanor> Should I?
[21:06] <DexterF> lc: well, you just reinstall packages so you wont lose any data you donwloaded unless the fs is borked. you didn't dl 8gb of linux packages manually, right?
[21:06] <AndreSTC> is there an easy way to look what drives need to get updated?
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » yeah... to update your package lists
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » drives?
[21:06] <lc> ywes
[21:06] <lc> using synaptic
[21:06] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim drivers
[21:06] <lc> brb
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> NorthByNorthWest » it shouldn't start automatically unless you put a link to it in Autostart
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » oh, you lost your 3d accel?
[21:07] <DexterF> why on earth does someone use synaptic when he can have adept? :)
[21:07] <simon12> Please help me run compiz. :( I started trying 28 hours ago, I cant get it to work.
[21:07] <Elvanor> I just did apt-get update
[21:07] <oloughlin75> !compiz
[21:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:07] <NorthByNorthWest> nosrednaekim: well... I cant find .kde/Autostart
[21:07] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim no no... the thing is that the notebook is new, i want to know if i have everything up-to-date here...
[21:07] <Elvanor> but I think the only sources are in the CDROM
[21:08] <Elvanor> are the network repos available by default?
[21:08] <AndreSTC> nosrednaekim or if there is any driver i can update..
[21:08] <simon12> WHen I run "compiz" in the console it says: http://pastebin.ca/908922
[21:08] <Elvanor> if no, where do I add them?
[21:08] <simon12> I dont understand...
[21:08] <NorthByNorthWest> nosrednaekim: (I have a fresh install... enabled Desktop Effects and now the screen is black when loggin in... am in terminal now)
[21:08] <DexterF> oloughlin75: thought 7.10 has compiz-fusion by default?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> AndreSTC » ah ok, well "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" should update everything, but I doubt there are any updated drivers
[21:08] <oloughlin75> DexterF: nope
[21:08]  * DexterF is puzzled
[21:08] <oloughlin75> compiz doesnt run that good in KDE
[21:08] <oloughlin75> its un ubuntu i think though
[21:09] <DexterF> ah
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » you may have to disable the CDrom repo, edit the /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:09] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, compiz-fusion runs fine for me, in KDE. It has been for the last year or so :)
[21:09] <DexterF> NickPresta: nv or ati?
[21:09] <thomas_newbie__> do i have to parition my data to create a logical volume?
[21:10] <oloughlin75> NickPresta: A lot of people have problems -- including me :/
[21:10] <NickPresta> DexterF, nvidia, of course :)
[21:10] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, what sort of problems? What card?
[21:10] <DexterF> nyah nyah nyah :)
[21:12] <unagi> can anyone help me figure out why my side buttons do not send signals to xev?
[21:12] <Authority> welcome back unagi
[21:12] <oloughlin75> NickPresta: nvidia, lots of random crashes
[21:12] <unagi> ty Authority
[21:12] <oloughlin75> well not a lot, but occasionally windows would disappear
[21:13] <DexterF> unagi: xog.conf properly set up?
[21:13] <DexterF> *xorg.conf
[21:13] <unagi> i guess
[21:13] <unagi> set up enough for my mouse to work
[21:13] <thomas_newbie__> do i have to parition my data to create a logical volume?
[21:13] <unagi> what set up am i looking for
[21:14] <lc_> ok im back
[21:14] <oloughlin75> thomas_newbie__: you need to split up your hard drive, but if you do it correctly you will not lose any data
[21:15] <lc_> was it Dresken_ i was talkingto before?
[21:16] <Jack111> hi
[21:16] <unagi> =/
[21:16] <lc_> lc is now lc_
[21:16] <lc_> kde problem... remember
[21:16] <unagi> DexterF: ?
[21:16] <Jack111> eventhough in kcontrol konq has in file assocatiions in directory and sys directory the highest rank,links are still opened by firefox and ff seems to be the default browser
[21:16] <DexterF> unagi: ?
[21:17] <unagi> i guess i have it set up right, enough for my mouse to work, what set up am i looking for DexterF
[21:17] <DexterF> unagi: button mapping in xorg.conf
[21:17] <unagi> more info?
[21:18]  * Liono needs maximum gaming support in linux . for windows games and playstation games. any final suggestions? and what things should i keep in mind before buying new computer and hardware . mainly for gammings?
[21:18] <DexterF> somehting like...  Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5" , but there's gotta be more if you have more than 3 buttons and a wheel
[21:18] <lc_> liono, try tremulous
[21:18] <lc_> and planeshift
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> Liono » for windows games... windows is still best :)
[21:18] <lc_> lol
[21:19] <lc_> nosrednaekim>> have you seen Dresken
[21:19] <Liono>  i have a net cafe. and for security reasons. i cant run windows. iam happy with linux
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> Dragnslcr ?
[21:19] <unagi> zaxismapping is the up and down of the mouse wheel right DexterF?
[21:19] <DexterF> unagi: yup
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> lc_ » I think you mean DexterF
[21:19] <lc_> aha
[21:19] <lc_> maybe
[21:19] <lc_> yes
[21:20] <DexterF> lc_: hows it comming?
[21:20] <unagi> what would the option for left and right be
[21:20] <jpatrick> !enter | lc_
[21:20] <ubotu> lc_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[21:20] <DexterF> unagi: good question: google
[21:20] <lc_> great, the cable is fine, and it will be done it around 6mins
[21:20] <unagi> ive tried google
[21:20] <unagi> many times
[21:21] <oloughlin75> Is there a way to make the album cover on the OSD in amarok bigger?
[21:21] <DexterF> lc_: still odd. used a funny file system?
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » not AFAIK
[21:21] <lc_> sorry, ive never properly used irc before, so im not sure of all ettiquete
[21:21] <oloughlin75> sad ;(
[21:21] <aldaek> i installed teamspeak server from apt-get... where do i go to set up the settings?
[21:21] <lc_> no ext3, just areally wierd happening. Im quite new to linux, but still
[21:22] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: ok, russian installed now
[21:22] <Elvanor> all the sources were commented in /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:22] <DexterF> unagi: first google hit for "side buttons mapping xorg.conf" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto - have a look at that
[21:22] <Elvanor> I uncommented, upgraded, then could install russian
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » what version are you using?
[21:22] <Elvanor> 7.10, latest
[21:22] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: spliting up the artist and song on different lines works!
[21:22] <unagi> DexterF: that wiki is very vague
[21:23] <unagi> imwheel nore xev see the side action
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75 » I was going to say try making the font bigger
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » thats weird.
[21:23] <Authority> unagi: have you installed lomoco?
[21:23] <Elvanor> I think I know why
[21:23] <unagi> !lomoco
[21:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lomoco - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:23] <Elvanor> during the install, the network was unavailable
[21:23] <unagi> !info lomoco
[21:23] <lc_> DexterF>> the command apt-get install kde is giving me loads more packages than i had before.
[21:23] <ubotu> lomoco (source: lomoco): Logitech Mouse Control for USB mice. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0beta1+1.0-5 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB
[21:23] <Elvanor> so the installer disabled all that
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » ah... thats possible.
[21:24] <Elvanor> Apparently, it is better to have network support during the install.
[21:24] <DexterF> unagi: it is? I find it quite exhaustive, then again I never had more than 3 mouse buttons :)
[21:24] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: I am impressed by Kubuntu, btw
[21:24] <Elvanor> nice little distro
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> yeah... it will automattically fetch the package lists and all.
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> :)
[21:24] <unagi> then you wouldnt need that wiki would you DexterF
[21:24] <lc_> i lobe kubuntu, coming from windows, then from mandriva
[21:24] <Elvanor> Gentoo will remain my distro of choice of course, but for a fast install, Kubuntu is very nice
[21:25] <unagi> ok lomoco is installed now what
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » now go tell my brother that....;)
[21:25] <Authority> unagi: lomoco -i
[21:25] <lc_> 30 secxonds until i get kde back!
[21:25] <DexterF> no, I just dug it up to demonstrate google does the job. the info there looked good to me. well, try that lomoco thingy....
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » am64 arch tester for gentoo ;)
[21:25] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: I was on amd64 for a long time on Gentoo
[21:25] <Authority> unagi: does that return a seemingly reasonable response?
[21:25] <Elvanor> then switched to x86]
[21:26] <unagi> 003.002: 046d:c51b Unsupported Logitech device: Unknown
[21:26] <ubuntu> Helo
[21:26] <Elvanor> for a reason unknown to me the amd64 profile was running like 5 times slower than the x86 one
[21:26] <ubuntu> Hello
[21:26] <DexterF> Elvanor: why? a64 no good?
[21:26] <Elvanor> I think it was kernel related
[21:26] <oloughlin75> Elvanor: what is gentoo like?
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> in kubuntu, I cannot see a performance difference
[21:26] <Elvanor> DexterF: unfortunately, amd64 was awful for me
[21:26] <Authority> unagi: oooh, that doesn't look good
[21:26] <Elvanor> oloughlin75: it's a nice distro if you like to custmoize everything
[21:26] <DexterF> unagi: what mouse is that anyway?
[21:26] <lc_> bummer, dexterF>> i take it just saying 'kde' would give me 3.5, not 4.0?
[21:26] <unagi> logitech v220
[21:26] <Elvanor> oloughlin75: like, you have total control
[21:27] <Elvanor> It's also very nice because it has *tons* of packages in repositories
[21:27] <DexterF> Elvanor: and total 100% cpu usage from gcc ;)
[21:27] <oloughlin75> lol
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » take a look at our repositories ;)
[21:27] <Elvanor> nosrednaekim: they probably are very good too, I dont doubt it
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> but yeah.. gentoo is smokin fast....
[21:27] <abortd> hm
[21:27] <Elvanor> but probably still less stuff than gentoo's repos
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> Elvanor » yeah its kinda hard to compare numbers since ubuntu splits things up into -dev packages
[21:28] <Elvanor> DexterF: 100% cpu usage only one hour per week is not too bad... :)
[21:28] <xerxes1358> How do I forece Kubuntu to install a MINIMAL install
[21:28] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: no such thing!
[21:28] <lc_> lc_ is still here
[21:28] <oloughlin75> :)
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » use the alternate installer
[21:29] <Authority> xerxes1358: what is minimal?
[21:29] <DexterF> xerxes1358: get slackware :)
[21:29] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: if you want minimal, fluxbuntu is quite small
[21:29] <DexterF> or DamnSmallLinux
[21:29] <xerxes1358> I dont need all the extra software. Do I have to manually uninstall them?
[21:29] <DexterF> xerxes1358: but it has to be kubuntu? and: *what* extra software?
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » there really isn't much extra software unles you are using the DVD
[21:30] <xerxes1358> like HP printer software for printers etc.. or games
[21:30] <Jack111> hi
[21:30] <lc_> DexterF: kde still says command not found, even after installing all lde packages through apt
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » well, you can uninstall that stuff easily
[21:30] <Dave> help, i have no taskbar!!
[21:30] <Jack111> i remember there was a shortcut to select two apps and split the screen giving each half and half
[21:30] <DexterF> lc_: oO  well.... what does   which startkde  give you?
[21:31] <Jack111> can someone help?
[21:31] <DexterF> Dave: alt+f2, run "kicker"
[21:31] <lc_> dexterf: unable to start display ''
[21:31] <Dave> DexterF: then what?
[21:31] <DexterF> lc_: are you remotely logged in to the broken machine?
[21:31] <DexterF> Dave: then it should reappear
[21:32] <lc_> no, logged in on command line
[21:32] <Dave> DexterF: tried that nothing
[21:32] <unagi> can anyone here help me figure out why xev doesnt get a signal from my side mouse buttons?
[21:32] <nosrednaekim> Dave » you may need to do "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[21:32] <DexterF> Dave: entire taskbar gone?
[21:32] <Dave> yes
[21:32] <DexterF> ah, try as nosrednaekim says
[21:32] <lc_> oh dear, now saying kpersonaliser cannot connect to X server - over and over again
[21:32] <Dave> ok
[21:33] <DexterF> lc_: kpersomaliser?! what should even call that...?
[21:33] <lc_> i dont know, but is flooding the screen
[21:33] <xerxes1358> Is Kubuntu (much) faster / slower than ubuntu?
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358 » about the same
[21:34] <DexterF> xerxes1358: nah. all buntus are kinda slow imho
[21:34] <unagi> does anyone here have a 5 button mouse that works with kubuntu?
[21:34] <xerxes1358> DexterF: I should install it for my gf. She likes slow.
[21:34] <Dave> nosrednaekim: you ROCK...Thanks it worked, what happened?
[21:35] <DexterF> unagi: treid adding  "Option "ButtonMapping"         "1 2"  ?
[21:35] <lc_> DexterF: any further ideas, really pissing me off now
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> Dave » just restarted kicker(the panel)
[21:35] <DexterF> lc_: thinking
[21:35] <unagi> 1 and 2?
[21:35] <lc_> DexterF: kk
[21:35] <DexterF> unagi: that mouse has a left and right button you said? thats two buttons to me
[21:35] <Dave> nosrednaekim: thanks again
[21:35] <unagi> it has 5 buttons
[21:35] <aldaek> grr
[21:35] <aldaek> now wheres the firewall settings
[21:35] <|Dreams|> is wine doors any good?
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> !firewall
[21:36] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[21:36] <DexterF> unagi: well, the PS2 protocol should cover the usual three
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> |Dreams| » heard good things about it
[21:36] <unagi> DexterF: which would be great if i only needed 3 buttons, i have 5
[21:36] <|Dreams|> ok thats ok then i have it installed
[21:36] <aldaek> doesnt it use a new fw?
[21:36] <|Dreams|> lol
[21:36] <nosrednaekim> aldaek » apparmor?
[21:36] <DexterF> unagi: and thats why I point out the extra line with button 1 and 2
[21:36] <unagi> you lost me
[21:36] <aldaek> yes.... isnt that installed by default?
[21:37] <DexterF> "button 1/2" should mean "button 1+2 *after* the usual 3"
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> !apparmor| aldaek
[21:37] <ubotu> aldaek: For information about the AppArmor security framework employed in Ubuntu (since Gutsy Gibbon), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[21:37] <DexterF> i admit im guessign here but sound sane to me
[21:37] <unagi> wont that confuse it with the normal 1 and 2
[21:37] <DexterF> unagi: I dont think so
[21:38] <unagi> button 1 and 2 are already mapped
[21:38] <DexterF> unagi: ok, no idea then
[21:38] <unagi> 1 and 2 is left and middle
[21:38] <DexterF> no, left and right. middle is 3. at least should be.
[21:39] <unagi> in windows it is
[21:39] <DexterF> lc_: what if you run the kdm restart now?
[21:39] <unagi> in linux middle is 2 right is 3
[21:39] <Dave> nosrednaekim: what would cause the problem i had(so i know not to do it in the future)
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Dave » its really not predictable.... just a crash.
[21:40] <Dave> ok
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Dave » I haven't seen any pattern at least
[21:40] <lc_> DexterF: Still no, startkde just says no x
[21:40] <DexterF> lc_: not startkde, umm.. wait...
[21:41] <Dave> seemed a website did it
[21:41] <xerxes1358> Ok I have a 80gb harddrive. What is a good partitioning ?
[21:41] <DexterF> lc_: the line about kdm... cant find it right now...
[21:41] <lc_> DexterF: kdm restart does not work eiter
[21:42] <xerxes1358> what partitions do I need
[21:42] <DexterF> lc_: odd. installign kde should have drawn X as a dependency. maybe run sudo dpkg --configure -a to repair the package database, then try and reinstall some minor kde part or an app
[21:42] <lc_> [4]DexterF: could it be x, and if so, what do i do to restart [/4]
[21:43] <lc_> aha
[21:43] <DexterF> xerxes1358: I'd go for 10GB root, 4GB var, rest home for a desktop system
[21:43] <DexterF> ah, and 1-2gb swap ofc
[21:43] <xerxes1358> ok
[21:43] <xerxes1358> does the order matter ?
[21:43] <xerxes1358> first swap ?
[21:44] <DexterF> doesnt really matter a lot
[21:44] <BluesKaj> swap last , is traditional
[21:44] <xerxes1358> ok
[21:44] <DexterF> BluesKaj: faster angular velocity in outer tracks?
[21:45] <Authority> unagi: you may want to join #lomoco and see if they can help
[21:45] <mad_> About to go postal... fresh install, and go to adept to fetch updates, and it just keeps saying another session is running, no matter what i do, reboot, attempt to resolve, nothing... comes up says unlocking, then goes to a debug screen, then closes... clues? hints? hammer?
[21:45] <Jack111> hey
[21:45] <xerxes1358> what is the best and Fastest File system out there ?
[21:45] <BluesKaj> maybe if it was oldtime vinyl , DexterF
[21:45] <unagi> ty
[21:45] <Jack111> when i have eg 4 apps in the kicker bar, is there a way to select them and to split the screen between them?
[21:45] <DexterF> BluesKaj: then it deosnt matter :)
[21:45] <Dave> grrr... my taskbar is gone again
[21:45] <Jack111> i remember that was possible
[21:46] <DexterF> lc_: outta ideas. what does which X say?
[21:46] <lc_> ?
[21:46] <DexterF> the command. just    which X
[21:46] <lc_> DexterF: ' ' doesn't say
[21:46] <DexterF> ?
[21:46] <unagi> does anyone know of reasons why xev might not recieve my side button signal?
[21:47] <BluesKaj> DexterF, partiton editors are easier to use with smaller partitions at the end of the drive
[21:47] <lc_> DexterF: new idea. how do i back up all programs and files to external drive
[21:47] <Dave> whats the command to restart the kicker?
[21:47] <DexterF> lc_: I like mc :)
[21:47] <DexterF> Dave: dcop kicker kicker restart  iirc
[21:47] <Dave> thanks
[21:47] <ecue> hi i'm trying to install my compiz
[21:48] <ecue> i followed all instructions and got the advanced settings manager to work
[21:48] <lc_> DexterF: just got mc, how do i use
[21:48] <ecue> but still no cube no window effects
[21:48] <mad_> I'm assuming i'm the only person in the freeworld that is having adept crash continually on multiple systems, different configs..:/
[21:48] <Dave> theres a big bug in the autohide feature
[21:49] <DexterF> lc_: simply call it from command line. switch tabs with "tab", copy=F5, move =F6, "insert" marks/unmarks
[21:49] <lc_> kk, so if i just copy /usr
[21:49] <DexterF> lc_: umm, you plan to reinstall?
[21:49] <lc_> cos home is seperate partion (YAY)
[21:49] <lc_> yes
[21:50] <DexterF> lc_: backup /home, kill everything else
[21:50] <lc_> nooo, i need to save the packages
[21:50] <DexterF> lc_: and those 8gb, wherever you put them
[21:50] <lc_> ok
[21:50] <thomas_newbie__> could someone help me with logical volume management? i don't wanna mess up my comp
[21:50] <xerxes1358> Ok guys I am installing
[21:50] <DexterF> lc_: lemme ask again, why did you download 8gb of packages manually?
[21:50] <lc_> if they all installed to normall location, that would be /usr/ right?
[21:51] <lc_> using synaptic
[21:51] <BluesKaj> thomas_newbie__, DL and burn GParted Live CD partition editor , it's simple and easy to use.
[21:51] <DexterF> lc_: seriously, just reinstall them with adept or aptitude or synaptic if you absolutely want to after the reinstall.
[21:52] <lc_> so dont backup /usr/
[21:52] <ecue> anybody?
[21:52] <DexterF> lc_: you could make a list of installed packages and write them to a text fiel, so you can aptitude to tell to install those packages again after you restored /home
[21:52] <DexterF> lc_: no, no usr. it seems broken anyway
[21:53] <lc_> ok, is there a way of making a list of packages in to a text file?
[21:55] <ubuntu> elo
[21:56] <dimsby24> hello\
[21:56] <DexterF> ecue: there's a compiz channel on this serv
[21:56] <DexterF> lc_: yes... with dpkg I'd say...
[21:57] <DexterF> but how...
[21:57] <dimsby24> hello does anyone know how to get kopete working
[21:57] <lc_> im installing icewm so that i can work with a gui
[21:57] <dimsby24> it keeps on coming up with crash handler
[21:57] <DexterF> lc_: dpkg -l
[21:58] <dimsby24> ??????????
[21:58] <lc_> aha, "Can't open display: <none>. X must be running and $display set"
[21:58] <xerxes1358> How do you guys watch .wmv streams and listen to radio?
[21:58] <lc_> there is a pointer
[21:58] <DexterF> lc_: redirect the output to a file with like dpkg -l > /home/lc/list.txt or so
[21:59] <dimsby24> any1 know?
[21:59] <DexterF> xerxes1358: kaffeine and beep-media-player, but that only my choice
[21:59] <dimsby24> please advise
[21:59] <dimsby24> thanks
[21:59] <DexterF> dimsby24: kubuntu version?
[22:00] <oloughlin75> i use the mplayer plugin for streaming, and dont listen to the radio much
[22:00] <DexterF> dimsby24: any accounts set up so far?
[22:00] <BluesKaj> dimsby24, type kopete in the konsole and post the error on pastebin
[22:00] <mad_> About to go postal... fresh install, and go to adept to fetch updates, and it just keeps saying another session is running, no matter what i do, reboot, attempt to resolve, nothing... comes up says unlocking, then goes to a debug screen, then closes... clues? hints? hammer? or a possible way of closing adept alternately or forcing it to go? any fix would be appreciated...
[22:00] <dimsby24> kubuntu7.10
[22:00] <DexterF> lc_: yes, I geuss X is broken as well
[22:00] <dimsby24> i set up 1 account
[22:00] <DexterF> mad_: "debug screen"? *who* comes up with this?
[22:00] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | mad_
[22:00] <ubotu> mad_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:00] <DexterF> dimsby24: acc type?
[22:00] <dimsby24> msn
[22:01] <dimsby24> i have it onmy desktop and noo problems
[22:01] <dimsby24> buit i installed it on the laptop
[22:01] <lc_> DexterF: how do i start X
[22:01] <dimsby24> and it play up?
[22:01] <DexterF> dimsby24: could be a kopete bug. i think I heard sth about broken msn in latest kde... ask in #kde, my guess
[22:01] <DexterF> lc_: startx :P
[22:01] <dimsby24> oh thanks
[22:01] <DexterF> lc_: or startkde for that matter
[22:02] <lc_> errors, Fatal IO error 104
[22:02] <BluesKaj> dimsby24, or perhaps #kopete
[22:02] <dimsby24> hmmm
[22:02] <dimsby24> im new to this world lol
[22:02] <DexterF> lc_: yikes. make that list, backup home, reinstall, something is seriuosly borked there. ask smartctl to check the disk for health, too.
[22:02] <dimsby24> i wqas using ubuntu before still am on my 3rd latop
[22:02] <DexterF> bbiab
[22:03] <ubuntu> error 15 : file not found error
[22:03] <dimsby24> oh i managed to get my web cam to work perfectly
[22:03] <BluesKaj> dimsby24, #kopete is a support chatroom
[22:04] <lc_> stupid question, how do i make list.txt
[22:04] <ubuntu> having problem with grub
[22:04] <ubuntu> running now from live cd
[22:04] <BluesKaj> BBL
[22:04] <DexterF> ubuntu: we cant read your mind and see what you're doing or trying to accomplsih. elaborate more.
[22:05] <lc_> DexterF: how to make the tyext file??
[22:05] <xerxes1358> damn
[22:05] <ubuntu> checked my partitions and sda1 ntfs /sda2 linux
[22:05] <xerxes1358> I am regretting KDE already. I wish installed Gnome.
[22:05] <DexterF> lc_: redirect the output to a file with like dpkg -l > /home/lc/list.txt or so
[22:05] <lc_> yes, but says file does not exist
[22:05] <ubuntu> have dual boot xp/kubuntu using one drive
[22:05] <DexterF> xerxes1358: sudo aptitude install gnome-desktop. no problem
[22:06] <xerxes1358> thanks
[22:06] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: you can install gnome too
[22:06] <xerxes1358> Yeah that suits my needs better I think
[22:06] <DexterF> disgusting ;)
[22:06] <xerxes1358> Just waste of space though with kde
[22:06] <xerxes1358> DexterF: he he
[22:06] <ubuntu> anyway I can delete linux partition using live cd and reload kubuntu?
[22:07] <oloughlin75> ubuntu sure
[22:07] <lc_> how do i make the textfile???
[22:07] <dimsby24> u people are way to advance for me
[22:07] <oloughlin75> lc_ just a general file?
[22:07] <dimsby24> llol
[22:07] <ubuntu> want a clean install for grub is messed up
[22:07] <lc_> yes
[22:07] <DexterF> lc_: dude I told you twice. dpkg -l >> /home/somefile
[22:07] <oloughlin75> lc_: you can right click on the desktop and create new -> text file
[22:07] <xerxes1358> how much space does KDE take anyway ? I would like to keep amarok and k3b though. I like these 2
[22:07] <lc_> ya, but it says file does not exist
[22:08] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: you can install them under gnome
[22:08] <DexterF> lc_: then try >, not >>
[22:08] <lc_> i have no desktop, i have no kde
[22:08] <xerxes1358> oloughlin75: will they not require KDE base though?
[22:08] <oloughlin75> the require a ton of libraries
[22:08] <lc_> that is what i am typing#
[22:08] <xerxes1358> YES! my install is complete.
[22:09] <DexterF> lc_: > and >> redirect, so they create that file. it cant say "not found" on this
[22:09] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: when you install them, their dependancies will install too
[22:09] <xerxes1358> ok
[22:09] <lc_> i am soooo dumb.
[22:09] <DexterF> you put << ?
[22:09] <xerxes1358> this kde is too advanced for me.
[22:10] <ubuntu> my grub is messed up, error 15 file not found
[22:10] <lc_> my user name is luke not lc on my laptop!!! lol
[22:10] <ecue> hi, can someone help me with compiz?
[22:10] <DexterF> use the force, luke
[22:10] <xerxes1358> brb rebooting
[22:10] <lc_> oh, one othrething. it tookme ages getting my wireless working. i am sooo pissed
[22:11] <oloughlin75> lc_: is it working?
[22:12] <lc_> what?
[22:12] <shawn_> heya
[22:12] <ubuntu> can I delete my linux on live cd and reload?
[22:13] <shawn_> yeah
[22:13] <oloughlin75> ubuntu just reinstall and format
[22:13] <ubuntu> have a dual boot and want to keep  xp
[22:13] <shawn_> ubuntu will see the windows partition
[22:13] <mad_> dual boot it with amithlon..:P
[22:13] <ubuntu> I don't want to format for have  split drive with windows/kubuntu
[22:13] <shawn_> you what
[22:14] <mad_> I'm trying to dual boot kubuntu and amithlon
[22:14] <shawn_> you need to format your intended linux partition
[22:14] <ubuntu> can I delete using qparted  and then install with ubuntu see free space?
[22:15] <shawn_> yeah if you delete it and put into free space no probs
[22:15] <ubuntu> this will not mess with windows, right?
[22:15] <fiendskull9> I put in my liveCD today, and kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu wont recognize my ethernet card
[22:15] <shawn_> nope not if it is a seperate partition
[22:15] <Xbehave> ubuntu, that could trash your windows system
[22:15] <fiendskull9> lspci shows it, and lshw -C network shows it as unclaimed
[22:16] <ubuntu> I tried install on live cd and wanted me to use my whole hard drive
[22:16] <fiendskull9> and it was working fine yesterday
[22:16] <Xbehave> o right i joined 1/2 way through i thought he was resizing the windows partition
[22:16] <xerxes1358> Hi again
[22:16] <shawn_> linux still has a way to go strange things happen :P
[22:16] <shawn_> its like its keeping you on your toes all the time
[22:16] <fiendskull9> shawn_: desktop point to click has a long way to go :P
[22:16] <ubuntu> I originally installed windows on 80g with 80gig free space. Kubuntu was used to install on free space
[22:16] <fiendskull9> linux is fine
[22:17] <DexterF> shawn_: hell yes :)
[22:17] <shawn_> its amazing just makes me laugh its like me vs ,y compyuter somtimes
[22:17] <fiendskull9> shawn_: you vs ubuntu
[22:17] <xerxes1358> DexterF: ok how did you I install Gnome again?
[22:17] <rodrigo_> hola
[22:17] <fiendskull9> i have problems on ubuntu i NEVER have on gentoo/slack
[22:17] <rodrigo_> tengo un problema con kopete
[22:17] <shawn_> I always beat ubuntu it all works now
[22:17] <Xbehave> ubuntu, then you should be fine but theres always the chance it will suffer quantum fluctuations
[22:17] <fiendskull9> rodrigo_: que es tu problema?
[22:17] <shawn_> i have kubuntu actually
[22:17] <xerxes1358> By the way guys. DUring install (where you type in user name and password) my screen was all messed. SUPER large fonts and everything misplaced. What is going on?
[22:18] <Stoffer> I need to reformat my external hdd back to ntfs, but gparted won't do it.  Anything else I can use?
[22:18] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: ntfs-3g might have a mkefs command concerning ntfs
[22:18] <shawn_> sometimes i prefer to have small lite linux distros that make my new laptop run ridiculously fast
[22:18] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: just use fat32 :P
[22:18] <ubuntu> should I delete or format linux partition to install new installation?
[22:18] <lc_> where do i find my external hdd Dexter?
[22:19] <xerxes1358> lc_: mine gets detected when I plug it in
[22:19] <Stoffer> fiendskull9, that's what I formatted it as, but I need the large filesize option of ntfs
[22:19] <fiendskull9> shawn_: i have gentoo on this pentium 3 128mb ram laptop and its nice
[22:19] <DexterF> lc_: bbiab
[22:19] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: ah, well let me take a look hold on
[22:19] <lc_> yes, but where in the file system
[22:19] <shawn_> well good
[22:19] <shawn_> linux is great for otherwise dead systems
[22:19] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: sudo mkfs.ntfs /dev/*whatever*
[22:19] <Xbehave> ubuntu i think the installer makes you, not sure if you can get round it with the alt cd
[22:20] <Stoffer> fiendskull9, I don't have an ntfs option for mkfs
[22:20] <Xbehave> frinuxfr: how long does an update take tho?
[22:20] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[22:20] <fiendskull9> i think
[22:20] <lc_> how do i mount using mc
[22:20] <shawn_> sudo wretlers haha new game concept
[22:20] <Stoffer> fiendskull9, I think it is installed already
[22:20] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: well, do you still have the livecd? i know for a fact it has mkfs.ntfs
[22:21] <fiendskull9> because im staring at it right now on my desktop box :P
[22:21] <Stoffer> somewhere, yeah
[22:21] <fiendskull9> hunt that baby down
[22:21] <fiendskull9> because im not sure which package mkfs.ntfs comes with
[22:21] <fiendskull9> brb
[22:21] <shawn_> il tell you what intel hd audo control touch buttons are a pain to get working
[22:21] <shawn_> grrrr
[22:22] <tuba_> в какой пользовательской группе находятся все кде-шные утилиты для настройки убунты?
[22:22] <linsux> xp forever!!!!
[22:22] <fiendskull9> linsux: shhh
[22:22] <linsux> :P
[22:23] <fiendskull9> linsux: just because you dont have the competence to get things working doesnt mean you need to troll
[22:23] <DexterF> lc_: plug in the drive. wait 5 seconds. run:   bklid | grep sd  . there should be one entry, sda1 or sda5 or such. mkdir /media/ext. then mount it with: sudo mount -t auto /dev/sdXY/ /media/ext. XY is the part you figured with blkid
[22:23] <linsux> i do actually i have had lots of linux systems working
[22:23] <linsux> im having a joke
[22:23] <linsux> i love linux
[22:23] <Stoffer> fiendskull9, I think mkntfs will work, I'm installing it now
[22:23] <linsux> sometimes
[22:23] <lc_> bklid not found
[22:24] <DexterF> linsux: your joke sucks wet farts from dead pidgeons. troll somewhere else.
[22:24] <linsux> so do your insults
[22:24] <DexterF> lc_: sudo aptitude install blkid ?
[22:24] <xerxes1358> What is the command for the EXPOSE like thing
[22:24] <lc_> aaaagh my home is on seperate partition is that enough...
[22:24] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: alt + space
[22:24] <xerxes1358> thanks
[22:24] <oloughlin75> nvm
[22:24] <oloughlin75> wrong thing
[22:24] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: that sounds like its the package you need :)
[22:25] <Stoffer> fiendskull9, formatting now, let's see if this'll work.... and if it does, I need to work on getting an ntfs external drive to mount in ubuntu
[22:25] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: that effect is in compiz, but i dont think there is anything in plain kde
[22:25] <xerxes1358> oloughlin75: no thats not it.
[22:25] <DexterF> lc_: that's even better! then we can back it up as a whole and restore after reinstall given you dont change the partition size
[22:25] <linsux> plug it in :P
[22:25] <xerxes1358> ah
[22:25] <fiendskull9> Stoffer: if ntfs-3g is installed, just mount -t ntfs /dev/*whatever*
[22:25] <fiendskull9> and then port that to /etc/fstab
[22:25] <xerxes1358> oloughlin75: so I can have that expose like thing also in gnome?
[22:25] <lc_> do i have to back it up
[22:25] <linsux> yeah
[22:25] <linsux> twice
[22:25] <oloughlin75> yes xerxes1358
[22:25] <xerxes1358> sweet
[22:26] <DexterF> lc_: thats what we've talking about the past... half hour or so, right..?
[22:26] <lc_> yes, but is it essential, i am really pissed off with all this crap right now
[22:26] <linsux> my linux runs much faster than yours and im like its better than yours your damn rite
[22:26] <fiendskull9> grrr, note to self - NEVER buy another motherboard with jmicron sata controller
[22:26] <fiendskull9> linsux: hmmmm
[22:27] <fiendskull9> linsux: your offly bothersome
[22:27] <lc_> i have 15gb system space, 2gb swap, and whaterver is left of a 60gb drive for ghome
[22:27] <linsux> im sorry il behave
[22:27] <linsux> to much sugar
[22:27] <DexterF> lc_: you can wipe it if you want and reinstall from scratch of course, your choice, just thought there's already data in home. yeah I can see this gets one riled up.
[22:27] <fiendskull9> lc_: how much ram to you have?
[22:27] <fiendskull9> *do
[22:27] <lc_> 512mb
[22:27] <fiendskull9> lc_: 1gb of swap should suffice, if oyu need the extra space
[22:27] <fiendskull9> just throwing that out
[22:28] <DexterF> not important now
[22:28] <Arwen> gah, 7z -mx=9 EATS RAM LIKE CRAZY
[22:28] <linsux> look on your ubuntu box it will have a licence key type it into google and it will tell you how much ram you need
[22:28] <fiendskull9> Arwen: absolutely
[22:28] <oloughlin75> at most you usually never need more than a gig
[22:28] <lc_> will reinstalling wipe home
[22:28] <fiendskull9> linsux: ...
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> sweet... I have my mp3 player/external HD booting ubuntu, cept it autodetects X settings on every boot :)
[22:28] <fiendskull9> linsux: you are horrificly unhelpful
[22:28] <fiendskull9> nosrednaekim: sweet :)
[22:28] <linsux> sorry again
[22:28] <linsux> worked for me
[22:28] <fiendskull9> haha
[22:28] <fiendskull9> ok afk time
[22:29] <DexterF> lc_: um, just comes to my mind, you can perfectly tell the install dvd/cd to install to your existing partitions and leacve /home intact by telling the installer not to format /home
[22:29] <DexterF> geez why didnt I thin kof thsi earlier :D
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> lc_: you can tell it to use your existing /home
[22:29] <lc_> lol,
[22:29] <linsux> dont you think linspire is hardcore linux!
[22:29] <jussi01> !away > fiend`afk
[22:29] <lc_> so if i just do that
[22:29] <jussi01> linsux: please keep to the topic, or go to #kubuntu-offtopic to chat
[22:29] <oloughlin75> linsux: its so hardcore its almost windows
[22:29] <DexterF> I so totally need to run in overkill mode less :D
[22:30] <linsux> ok il behave
[22:30] <linsux> sooooo
[22:30] <linsux> who like dsl
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> lc_: yes, just do manual partitioning
[22:30] <linsux> its mint
[22:30] <lc_> then get annopyed trying to redo my broadcom wireless driver that has to have ndiswrapper compil;ed from source
[22:30] <linsux> no its not mint i ment mint asin good
[22:30] <lc_> and install all those huge programs.
[22:30] <DexterF> tough call.
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> linsux: please keep this on topic
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> tanks jussi01
[22:31] <jussi01> :)
[22:31] <lc_> y/n as the command line says
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: are you the one doing the kubuntu session tomorrow?
[22:31] <jussi01> no
[22:32] <shawn_> shazam
[22:32] <shawn_> sup
[22:32] <lc_> dexter: do you think i should
[22:32] <shawn_> my wireless hangs at 28% :(
[22:32] <shawn_> hate knetwork manager
[22:33] <lc_> YES OR NO
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> shawn_: is it encrypted?
[22:34] <fiend`afk> lc_: hes constructing an answer, be patient
[22:34] <shawn_> nope i have had this problem before i just have to use wifi radar
[22:34] <lc_> aha, but it is a simple, yes install, or no do some other crap
[22:34] <fiend`afk> 6 different distro livecd's wondering why my network wasnt sending packets, and i come to realize my router is unplugged
[22:34] <fiend`afk> sigh
[22:35] <DexterF> lc_: dude dont shout at me
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> shawn_: yeah, knetworkmanager is a pain sometimes
[22:35] <lc_> kk
[22:35] <fiendskull9> iwconfig ftw
[22:35] <fiendskull9> brb
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> fiendskull9: lol:)
[22:35] <lc_> just getting annoyed at my laptop
[22:35] <shawn_> yeah knetworkmanager is lame
[22:35] <DexterF> lc_: yes or no what?
[22:35] <shawn_> looks nice does shit
[22:35] <lc_> can anyone tell me how to do colours?
[22:35] <jussi01> !ohmy | shawn_
[22:35] <lc_> yes or no install
[22:35] <ubotu> shawn_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[22:35] <Zombocom> how do I install kde4
[22:35] <Zombocom> !kde4
[22:35] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:35] <shawn_> sorry
[22:36] <DexterF> lc_: id go for it. your installation seems hosed. just remember not to fromat /home in the installer
[22:36] <jussi01> Zombocom: please note where the support is for that
[22:36] <Zombocom> I will
[22:36] <Zombocom> I won't come in here with problems
[22:36] <hola> sameone is an expet to configure cam in kubuntu 7.10
[22:36] <lc_> ok, thanks for all your help. You have tried very hard for me,
[22:36] <DexterF> lc_: been there, too :) you're welcome
[22:36] <shawn_> Mepis works with wireless ubuntu doesnt sighhh
[22:36] <lc_> if anyone wants to contact me, go to www.opensourcesurfer.co.uk
[22:36] <oloughlin75> Zombocom: the link tells you how to install it
[22:37] <lc_> my site!!
[22:37] <jussi01> shawn_: comments like that arent very helpful
[22:37] <shawn_> niether are you
[22:37] <shawn_> ooops soryyy
[22:37] <DexterF> shawn_: wicd turned out to be rather the opposite: ugly but works
[22:37] <shawn_> dont
[22:37] <xerxes1358> some help me out here. It is becoming annoying right now. I am trying to install Gnome and I am getting this error:E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[22:37] <shawn_> wicd??
[22:37] <shawn_> wher ei get that
[22:37] <jpatrick> xerxes1358: sudo apt-get update and try again
[22:38] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: just click ok, it doesnt matter
[22:38] <DexterF> shawn_: google. not in repos yet.
[22:38] <xerxes1358> oloughlin75: I cant click ok. It is text based
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: it can matter...
[22:38] <shawn_> kool il try it
[22:38] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: for the installation updates?
[22:38] <xerxes1358> It has to download or install another 900mb. Maybe I should start a clean Ubuntu install ? Will that take less long ?
[22:38] <shawn_> here is a question how come my laptop fan is so quiet in lux but goes mad in vista
[22:39] <jussi01> shawn_: vista is much heavier
[22:39] <xerxes1358> shawn_: I have EXACTLY the same problem with vista. My laptop burns my skin.
[22:39] <oloughlin75> shawn_: linux might throttle down your CPU too
[22:39] <lc_> vista needs so much more cpu, it makes your lappy cook!
[22:39] <DexterF> shawn_: vista needs dx9 alone to draw its desktop :D
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358: you don't like KDE?
[22:39] <shawn_> yeah linux just worried me at first i was like wheres the noise whats up
[22:39] <xerxes1358> nosrednaekim: not really.
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358: if you don't like kde,a fresh ubuntu install might be better.
[22:40] <xerxes1358> nosrednaekim: will that take less time ?
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358: what don't you like about it (mostly everything can be changed)
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> xerxes1358: probably not, since you will have to reinstall
[22:40] <DexterF> xerxes1358: depends on your line speed...
[22:40] <xerxes1358> nosrednaekim: it is very crowded (my task bar) and the menus are confusing.
[22:40] <shawn_> thing is vista could have been great im not one for bashing other os its either good or bad
[22:40] <DexterF> xerxes1358: if you already got the disc, reinst might be faster.
[22:41] <xerxes1358> DexterF: I have a 100mbit line. Speed is no problem
[22:41] <Jack111> does anybody know how to split screen between the applications giving each equal desktop space
[22:41] <xerxes1358> ok
[22:41] <xerxes1358> I just reinstall then
[22:41] <xerxes1358> brb
[22:41] <oloughlin75> xerxes1358: you can organize the menus how you please and switch around the taskbar
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: thats what multiple desktops are for
[22:41] <DexterF> xerxes1358: 100!! how? where? how much?
[22:41] <xerxes1358> nah I just go to ubuntu. is exactly how I like the menu.
[22:41] <shawn_> how long til windows has muliple desktops haha copy cats
[22:41] <fiendskull9> DexterF: colleges and businesses often have 100 lines
[22:41] <jussi01> shawn_: please make sure you keep ontopic. offtopic chatter in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[22:41] <xerxes1358> DexterF: I pay 6.95 euros per month
[22:42] <DexterF> xerxes1358: even in europe?! what ISP?
[22:42] <Jack111> xerxes1358: ok, but still..does anybody know?
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: yeah, there was a program to do that... one sec.
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: check into wmctrl
[22:44] <oloughlin75> is xorg the only windo system?
[22:44] <Jack111> nosrednaekim: kdm, where would that be?in kcontrol?there is nothing
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: kdm? thats the login manager
[22:45] <DexterF> oloughlin75: well... technically there's XFree86... but hardly anyone uses it anymore
[22:46] <fiendskull9> DexterF: OpenBSD fanatics anonymous :P
[22:46] <hola> is there someone extper to configure cam
[22:46] <lupul> hi. does anyone know where i have to copy the fonts? in windows is control panel - fonts. but in linux?
[22:46] <Jack111> nosrednaekim: as window manager i have the choice gdm or kdm, what did you mean?
[22:46] <fiendskull9> lupul: i beleive the kubuntu control panel has a font installer
[22:46] <jussi01> !fots | lupul
[22:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fots - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:47] <jussi01> !fonts | lupul
[22:47] <ubotu> lupul: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[22:47] <lupul> ok thanks
[22:47] <lupul> i'll try
[22:47] <fiendskull9> jussi01: your a good man jussi
[22:47] <fiendskull9> :P
[22:47] <oloughlin75> lupul: under appearence
[22:47] <Arwen> !mplayer
[22:47] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: oh, choose kdm..... thats display manager
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> not window manager
[22:47] <Arwen> hmm? no mention of fonts there
[22:47] <DexterF> fiendskull9: i got a bsd based firewall since the other day, still waiting for it to strangle me at night ;)
[22:47] <lupul> in kcontrol there's no option to install fonts
[22:48] <lupul> only to use those given
[22:48] <fiendskull9> Jack111: Display managers are what controls the user sessions, window managers are what controls the dialogs on the screen :)
[22:48] <ubuntu> !codecs
[22:48] <Jack111> nosrednaekim: ok, so where should i chekc for the shortcut thanks fro clarifying
[22:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:48] <oloughlin75> lupul: open system setting and click on appearance
[22:48] <fiendskull9> DexterF: a few of my servers run FreeBSD
[22:48] <fiendskull9> its a real b*tch
[22:48] <lupul> ok
[22:48] <lupul> done it
[22:48] <lupul> thanks
[22:48] <DexterF> fiendskull9: servers is one thing. tried on desktop, no go.
[22:48] <Arwen> lupul, if you happen to have a Windows installation, you can do "cd /usr/share/fonts/truetype && ln -s <windows mount point>/WINDOWS/Fonts windows"
[22:49] <Arwen> much faster than trying to download from the (unreliable) sf mirrors
[22:49] <fiendskull9> DexterF: i briefly ran it on this laptop, it was alright, but ports is just a little to hectic imo (im a heavy gentoo user, and even it was too much for me :X)
[22:49] <lupul> aha. got it thanks
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: what shortcut?
[22:50] <Jack111> nosrednaekim: for eg splitting the screen between apps
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: ah right..... try getting and using the app "wmctrl" its heavily command line based, but should do what you are asking perfectly
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> Jack111: compiz can also do that is I remember corectly
[22:53] <hola> in which channel have i ask for to configure the cam
[22:53] <DexterF> fiendskull9: well, hardware support doesnt match my needs. dvb devices and such.
[22:54] <slow-motion> n8
[22:56] <Strangelet> I cannot open .emerald files at www.kde-look.org using Konqueror, it only opens up the file in kwrite. How do I change this?
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> Strangelet: .emeralds are to be used by emerald.
[22:58] <Liono> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=699029
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> load them from the emerald theme manager
[22:59] <Strangelet> nosrednaekim: I know, I went into kcontrol and set it to automatically open up via emerald theme manager. But the Konqueror keeps on using kwrite
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> Strangelet: ah...ok, I don;t think the emerald theme manager can take a theme file as a argument
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> I may be wrong though
[23:00] <Strangelet> hm, I think it is something with the site
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> open emerald, then add them as themes manually
[23:00] <Daisuke_Ido> that's about it
[23:01] <hola> is there someone extper to configure cam
[23:01] <oloughlin75> !es | hola
[23:01] <ubotu> hola: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:02] <gil620> hello
[23:02] <oloughlin75> hey
[23:02] <gil620> I am having problems with apt in both ubuntu and kubuntu
[23:02] <gil620> it is freezing while loading the headers
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> gil620: running apt-get update?
[23:03] <gil620> it gets up to 19% then freezes
[23:03] <snowdonkey> Hey, in the CompizConfig Settings Manager where to I set the number of sides of the Desktop Cube?
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> gil620: or apt-get install?
[23:03] <gil620> I use to use gos and it worked perfectly
[23:03] <nosrednaekim> snowdonkey: general->horizontal desktop size
[23:03] <hydrogen> err
[23:03] <gil620> nosrednaekim: both
[23:04] <hydrogen> a cube can only have four sides
[23:04] <hydrogen> six I suppose
[23:04] <hydrogen> its math d00d
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> gil620: do you have only the standard repositories?
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: lol
[23:04] <snowdonkey> Great!  Thanks a lot.
[23:04] <gil620> nosrednaekim: yes
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> thats odd, could you pastebin what exactly apt-get update looks like?
[23:05] <gil620> not sure what it could be... I use to use debian 6 years ago
[23:05] <gil620> and I have never seen anything like this
[23:06] <JoshOvki> debian and *ubuntu  are simular  expecialy as *ubuntu is based on debian
[23:07] <DexterF> gtg
[23:07] <gil620> http://pastebin.com/m3498a1fa
[23:07] <oloughlin75> is there a command to install a package and its recommended packages?
[23:07] <oloughlin75> !emerald
[23:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:08] <JoshOvki> gil620: can you pastebin you   /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:08] <ere4si> sudo apt-get "packagename" oloughlin75
[23:08] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, sudo apt-get install
[23:09] <oloughlin75> thatll get the recommended packages in one step?
[23:09] <oloughlin75> not the dependancies
[23:09] <oloughlin75> the ones it say are recommended
[23:09] <gil620> fuck
[23:09] <gil620> I have the cd rom there
[23:09] <NickPresta> !ohmy | gil620
[23:09] <ubotu> gil620: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:10] <JoshOvki> lol
[23:10] <NickPresta> oloughlin75, apt-get will automatically handle all the dependencies. Installing an application that requires other packages as dependencies is fine. apt-get will handle them
[23:11] <oloughlin75> im not saying dependancies
[23:11] <twosouls82> I think he wants to install all the recommended packages
[23:11] <oloughlin75> usually when you install it says recommended packages: ...
[23:11] <gil620> oloughlin75: there is a setting you can set for apt-get to install them by default
[23:12] <gil620> oloughlin75: use to be a question when installing debian... a long time ago... so I do not remember now.
[23:13] <NickPresta> Ah okay. I must be tired. :) oloughlin75, you can do `apt-cache show PACKAGE` and find the recommended packages. Install them at your leisure.
[23:13] <gil620> JoshOvki: http://pastebin.com/d3ccef11f
[23:14] <Authority> oloughlin75: i found this tidbit in the ubuntu forums, not tested:  aptitude has --with-recommends and --with-suggests
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: aptitude automatically installed reccomended packages
[23:14] <gil620> err
[23:15] <oloughlin75> ok
[23:15] <oloughlin75> thanks
[23:15] <gil620> I was using the main server but this package manager just swaped it a couple of minutes ago
[23:15] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, ah okay. I don't use aptitude very often.
[23:15] <oloughlin75> where emerald store its themes>?
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: probably .emerald
[23:16] <arcticpenguin380> is it normal for kubuntu boot in 18 secs?
[23:16] <JoshOvki> gil620 whole lot of comments out (not that it should effect it) but ive never seen otenet.gr used before
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> arcticpenguin380: no.... but thats great if it does :)
[23:17] <Liono> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=699029  need help. any one arround to check it
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> Liono: is that you?
[23:17] <Liono> nosrednaekim ya ?
[23:17] <arcticpenguin380> it took 32 secs to boot on my p2 laptop compared to 53 secs on xp
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> Liono: sounds like something you'll have to write yourself
[23:18] <NickPresta> arcticpenguin380, with all the "default" services and such started up, Kubuntu takes approx. 20 seconds to boot up for me. If I use `bum` to disable stuff I don't need, I can get it below 20.
[23:18] <gil620> err
[23:18] <oloughlin75> how do i apply an emerald theme?
[23:18] <Liono> nosrednaekim the PAM  doesnt logs succesful events
[23:18] <nosrednaekim> gil620: redo your sources.list
[23:19] <gil620> I am
[23:19] <gil620> what is the main server
[23:19] <gil620> archive.ubuntu.com?
[23:19] <Flare183> !emerald | oloughlin75
[23:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> gil620: there is a tool in adept to redo it for you
[23:19] <JoshOvki> gil620 this is an old thread but might be worth a read    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=169873
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: set it, and then run "emerald --replace"
[23:20] <draik> !nvu
[23:20] <ubotu> kompozer is WYSIWYG HTML editor for easily creating web pages, and the continuation of the dead Nvu project. It is available in !Universe on !Gutsy, !Backports on !Feisty, and from  « deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tonyyarusso/ubuntu edgy universe » for Edgy.  (Dapper still pending)
[23:20] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: its not doing anything
[23:20] <draik> Hey there nosrednaekim
[23:21] <oloughlin75> nosrednaekim: do i need beryl or compiz to use emerald?
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: what isn't?
[23:21] <gil620> dam this irc server... so much lag. 80 seconds counting!
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: yeah.. you need compiz
[23:21] <oloughlin75> oo
[23:21] <nosrednaekim> gil620: its not the server :)
[23:21] <unagi_> !print
[23:21] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[23:21] <JoshOvki> my lag is 221ms
[23:22] <gil620> 140 seconds!
[23:22] <unagi_> anyone wanna help me troubleshoot network printing?>
[23:22] <gil620> this server is dead..........
[23:22] <norml_advocate> whats better about the kde environment compared to gnome?
[23:22] <norml_advocate> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:22]  * JoshOvki thinks gil620 is about to crash out
[23:22] <norml_advocate> whats better about the kde environment compared to gnome?
[23:23] <Tm_T> norml_advocate: more flexible and configurable
[23:23] <JoshOvki> yet still depends on what you prefer
[23:23] <norml_advocate> tm_t is it as easy to use?
[23:23] <Tm_T> JoshOvki: true
[23:23] <Tm_T> norml_advocate: depends, to me it's way easier to use
[23:23] <NthDegree> norml_advocate: it's all integrated all the parts.. GNOME has consistency but not a high level of integration and code-reuse
[23:23] <norml_advocate> what is code-reuse?
[23:24] <JoshOvki> re using code
[23:24] <nosrednaekim> norml_advocate: using the same code for serveral apps.... such as libraries
[23:24] <norml_advocate> im downloading kde right now
[23:24] <norml_advocate> here goes everything
[23:25] <NthDegree> norml_advocate: I must admit KDE 4 isn't that impressive at the moment
[23:25] <arcticpenguin380> it takes 20 secs to boot kubuntu on my box
[23:25] <NthDegree> but KDE 3.5 is a real pleasure to use
[23:25] <NickPresta> arcticpenguin380, is that bad?
[23:25] <NthDegree> arcticpenguin380: what specs?
[23:25] <arcticpenguin380> sempron 3800+ 2Gbs ram
[23:25] <Tm_T> !ot
[23:25] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:25] <norml_advocate> this is what i typed " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[23:25] <NthDegree> Fedora 8 took 8x as long to boot for me as Kubuntu does
[23:26] <norml_advocate> is that kde?
[23:26] <Tm_T> norml_advocate: yes
[23:26] <NthDegree> norml_advocate: yeps that's the standard way to get all the stuff in Kubuntu
[23:26] <NthDegree> and that includes KDE =]
[23:26] <norml_advocate> should i get kde4?
[23:26] <mrEiger> hi ALL!
[23:26] <norml_advocate> is it better?
[23:26] <NthDegree> not a great idea if you ask me
[23:26] <NthDegree> KDE 4 has only just come out
[23:26] <arcticpenguin380> vista takes almost 2 mins on my computer and after a hardpower off it turns to 10mins cuz chkdsk runs
[23:26] <NthDegree> think Vista... when you think of KDE 4 for now ;-p
[23:26] <arcticpenguin380> Im glad we have journalling fss on linux =D
[23:27] <NthDegree> arcticpenguin380: then you're a newbie on Vista :P
[23:27] <NthDegree> NTFS is journalled
[23:27] <mrEiger> i've read that deb ormat has no support for LVM. is that trueth?
[23:27] <norml_advocate> so its buggy glitchy painful and downright retarded
[23:27] <norml_advocate> and its expensive
[23:27] <Tm_T> nownow
[23:27] <NthDegree> norml_advocate: all except the last bit.. for now
[23:27] <NthDegree> it'll be fine when the next Kubuntu is out
[23:28] <Tm_T> kids, this is _SUPPORT_ channel, not chatting channel ;)
[23:28] <NthDegree> should work well with Hardy
[23:28] <arcticpenguin380> i know NTFS is journalled but i ran chkdsk and it took 10 mins just to scan 40k files
[23:28] <NthDegree> Tm_T: sorry ;-p
[23:28] <norml_advocate> sorry tm_t
[23:28] <NthDegree> arcticpenguin380: do a forced fsck on ext3 then :P
[23:28] <Tm_T> #kubuntu-offtopic is for chatting ;)
[23:28] <norml_advocate> where can i be a free spirit and talk about your precious kubuntu?
[23:28] <NthDegree> and I mean a forced full check
[23:28] <console_jockey> I'm installing kubuntu gutsy with the alternate CD.  I'm installing as a dual boot and I'm encrypting the kubuntu installation.  Since it's dual boot I have to partition manually.  I have created an encrypted root and an encrypted swap.  They both require a password.  Is there anyway to prompt once at boot instead of my having to enter the password for both partitions?
[23:28] <norml_advocate> chat nazi!
[23:28] <NthDegree> norml_advocate: #ubuntu-offtopic I think
[23:28] <console_jockey> I hadn't considered it before now, but what if I have chosen the random key for the swap?
[23:29] <NickPresta> #kubuntu-offtopic for the Kubuntu-offtopic channel :)
[23:29] <console_jockey> would I have need to enter a passkey for the swap then?
[23:29] <nosrednaekim> console_jockey: why are you encryptin swap?
[23:29] <arcticpenguin380> i did and it took 5 mins on my 130GB partition with almost 200k files
[23:29] <scjp_> i connected my external hard-drive but cannot see it
[23:29] <console_jockey> nosrednaekim: becuase when I don't I get a warning from the install that the swap is not encrypted and it won't let me proceed
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> ah....
[23:30] <console_jockey> nosrednaekim: that and the error message makes a compelling arguement that an unencrypted swap leaves swap data volunerable...
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> true....
[23:30] <console_jockey> nosrednaekim: so it seems like a good idea to encrypt it.
[23:30] <nosrednaekim> so enter two passwords at boot :)
[23:31] <scjp_> i connected my external hard-drive but cannot see it
[23:31] <console_jockey> nosrednaekim: but I guess my question is really about the passkey vs random key encryption... if I choose random key will I need to key a passkey?  Does the random key provide me with the key that I still need to key in at boot?
[23:32] <console_jockey> nosrednaekim: and more to the point, when I install with the automated process on a machine that is not going to be dual-boot and I use encryption I find I only have one passkey... what's happening there?
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> console_jockey: passkey may be better so you can access it even if you lose the ability to actually boot the partition.
[23:33] <console_jockey> I'm not sure I'm clear on that last comment.  Given that it's a swap file I really don't want to be able to access it if I can't boot.  The root partition I would agree.
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> console_jockey:I have no clue whats going on there.
[23:33] <console_jockey> s/swap file/swap partition
[23:33] <console_jockey> fair enough.  Anyone else care to take a crack?
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> console_jockey: right... then make the swap one random key I geuss.... i'm kinda not sure how the whole encrypted partition thing works
[23:34] <console_jockey> hmmm... I wonder if I can change the encryption on the swap file now that I've installed it... I suppose I could re-install ...
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> console_jockey: you could always format swap. there isn't anything on there anyway.
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> (of lasting importance)
[23:36] <unagi_> can you set the print quality on a network printer from kubuntu
[23:36] <oloughlin75> emerald themes look wonderful, except that the close/minimize/maximize buttons arent visible on ctive windows..
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> unagi_: yes
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> oloughlin75: are you running compiz?
[23:36] <unagi_> where is that option nosrednaekim
[23:37] <Dr_willis> i tweaked the emerald themes so the buttons are more visible. :)
[23:37] <eric__> Hi guys, should I ditch my ATI X1550 and get an Nvidia?
[23:37] <Arwen> YES
[23:37] <eric__> I'm having a ton of problems
[23:37] <nosrednaekim> unagi_: under "preferences" next to teh printer select list box,
[23:37] <oloughlin75> Dr_willis: whats the setting?
[23:37] <eric__> Mainly I can't extend my desktop to my 2nd monitor
[23:37] <unagi_> where exactly nosrednaekim im printing from the pdf viewer
[23:37] <Dr_willis> oloughlin75,  setting? I just used the emreald theme tool and edited the themes as i liked. :)
[23:37] <unagi_> oh
[23:38] <unagi_> my bad i see
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> unagi_: when you hit print, a dialog will pop up, in the top right of that window there is a button called preferences
[23:38] <Dr_willis> oloughlin75,  i took an os-x type theme a  changed those nasty round buttons to be more normal squareish ones.
[23:38]  * nosrednaekim did a nice rose vista theme
[23:38] <Dr_willis> emerald is very nifty in the area of theme making/changeing
[23:38] <eric__> Anyone have any suggestions for how to extend desktop to 2nd monitor for an ATI card?
[23:38] <unagi_> nosrednaekim: i dont see quality in the preferences am i blind?
[23:38] <Dr_willis> the interface is a litle weird.. but its got some power.
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> unagi_: there should be "printout mode"
[23:39] <pluviosity> hey everyone, in konqueror i have the "Open as tab in existing Konqueror when URL is called externally" option selected....but its not working....any ideas why or what i can do to get it to work?
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> eric__: extend?no, all i've done is mirror
[23:41] <oloughlin75> Dr_willis: i cant find the setting for the buttons!
[23:42] <Dr_willis> oloughlin75,  i dont have emerald on this box. i recall going to edit/custimize them, then there was some change/set gfx that let you pick image files to use for the buttons
[23:42] <oloughlin75> Dr_willis: nvm, i cant use pixmap buttons
[23:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:42] <Dr_willis> Oh the humanity of it all.. :)
[23:44] <oloughlin75> has there always been a context help button in konversation next to the minimiz button?
[23:51] <ibou> hi
[23:51] <Dr_willis> hi
[23:51] <Dr_willis> !hi
[23:51] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[23:51] <ibou> is it possible to write an image (iso) on an usb flash memory ?
[23:52] <ibou> with k3b ?
[23:52] <the-erm> anyone here have folder called /usr/share/john
[23:53] <the-erm> I was going over some cron stuff and found it.
[23:53] <the-erm> I'm trying to figure out if I've been hacked.
[23:53] <FuriousMojo> [18:53] <FuriousMojo> Is there anyone that can PM me and help me get my dual monitor setup workign.  I just want to extend my desktop to my 2nd screen.
[23:53] <JoshOvki> the-erm: i havnt got one
[23:54] <the-erm> really ... hmmm
[23:54] <ibou> the-erm: me tooOOOOOOOoooooooo
[23:54] <JoshOvki> whats in the folder?
[23:54] <the-erm> ibou: you do have one?
[23:55] <the-erm> It appears to be a password security checker.
[23:55] <ibou> no, i haven't
[23:55] <the-erm> I guess it's part of the john the ripper package ...
[23:55] <the-erm> hmm.
[23:57] <JoshOvki> the-erm: would make sence as its called john
[23:57] <JoshOvki> i havnt used jtr in years
[23:58] <the-erm> So the security of my system is still intact.
[23:58] <the-erm> I was getting worried.
[23:58] <norml_advocate> i have three files that are not downloading right now or maybe its just one and says it three times,    its called digikam
[23:58] <norml_advocate> whats the deal?
[23:59] <FuriousMojo> damn sub, looks like it wont let me PM you
[23:59] <FuriousMojo> not registered
[23:59] <the-erm> I'm good not hacked.